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.22 Magnum is Pretty Good
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ม.ค. 2019
- Is .22 Magnum a good caliber for personal protection? Maybe. .22 Mag has been around for nearly 60 years, but for most of that time, it's been a cartridge primarily used for hunting small game and plinking. But in recent years, there has been a rising interest in using lightweight .22 Mag revolvers for concealed carry. In Part 8 of our Pocket Pistol Series, I'm considering the pros and cons of relying on a .22 Mag when your life may depend on it.
Correction: At 6:28, when I said "... a 36% increase in penetration" I should have said 40%. Math is hard, ya'll.
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I was shot by a .22 mag (hollow point) in the shoulder when I worked in law enforcement. It shattered the clavicle and the bullet itself fragmented into 11 peices, with some of the prices severing a nerve. It's an effective self defense round, given the proper ammo.
Foot note: It's funny the number of people who expect you to become "anti-gun" after an incident like this. The gun did nothing to me. The a** hole using the gun did. Luckily, he died in prison. I wasn't the only person he shot.
Thanks for your sacrifices!
Damn this should go viral 👍
Thank you for your service, glad to see you you’re ok!
@@edwelndiobel1567 Nah, it tickled. What do you think?!😆
God bless you and continue to heal all your scars. ❤️
I am in my 70s, carry a .22mag, 9 shot revolver, 45 grain round, I have never had a misfire, ever. Very good for recoil as I have arthritis . I feel fine using this as a daily carry. I have never seen anyone volunteer to be shot with a ..22 yet
Internet commando s have yet to post a video of them walking off a round of 22 . I agree with you sir !
I'd doubt anyone would be standing after getting 9 rounds of .22 in them.
My co worker swears a 22 wouldnt do anything to him lol im like ok bro
Over a decade in EMS. Saw more killed with. 22, than anything else.
Out of 4 guys shot with a .22 mag, 0 survived.
I'd take a 22 mag with modern ammo over a .38 spl rn any day.
You should mention the biggest advantage the .22WMR has over the .22LR; it uses higher quality jacketed bullets.
As far as “self defense”, I have had to use a 22 Magnum twice, a rabid raccoon and a rabid dog. One gun was a High Standard derringer, the other was a Charter Arms mini revolver. Both chambered in 22 Magnum, both successfully dispatched the rabid animal with one shot. So yeah, 22 Magnum works.
What “charter arms mini revolver”? I have a charter arms and was wondering!
@@2Years2Farm it was a little 5 shot mini revolver manufactured by Charter Arms, & was almost identical to the Freedom Arms belt buckle revolver. Mine was new, & the first time I cocked the pistol, the mainspring broke. I sent it back to Charter Arms for repair. I had my revolver back within a week.
@@2Years2Farm no trigger guard, remove the pin & pull the cylinder to reload. Tiny little stainless steel single action revolver.
@@2Years2Farm Apparently Charter Arms used to make mini revolvers that look just like the NAA mini revolvers(which I own). Cant find anymore info on that.
@@siouxscout th-cam.com/video/HilcF_FZ3dQ/w-d-xo.html // Here’s the Charter Arms version.
Correction: At 6:28, when I said "... a 36% increase in penetration," I should have said 40%. Math is hard, y'all.
Edit: Found another mistake! On the chart at 7:28, "Hornady Crit. Duty" should say "Hornady Crit. Defense." Writing is hard, too, y'all.
I feel you iam 18 and suck at prealgerbra. I like farm work better 😉😉
Sound like those adds that pop up saying 40% more penetration in a week after taking this pill.
@@geometro9512 - meh, I tried them but 40% of 2 inches really doesn't make that much difference..
that matches up nicely with the 19% increase in velocity (1.19 x 1.19 = 1.42)
It's written with the 'a' and 'll' together...
"...the magnum is faster by 175 feet per second." That's a LOT more.
Cod3Thr33 you be the judge.
Please bear with gunfire you hear in the background.
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@@bruceleroy8063 PH for president.
Said in his best Paul Harrell voice.
I'm staring at my Ruger 22 Magnum revolver right now. My father gave it to me when I turned 13. It's still one of my favorite possessions. The 22 Magnum is an awesome round.
Lcr or something else?
I am not much of a "comment guy". Usually I will tap the "like " icon and move on.
Your presentation on this caliber was succinct , fair, and highly informative. Outstanding!
agree
I stopped shooting Prairie Dogs with 22 long rifle, even at short range, when shot square in the chest they would jump around a while.
With the 22 magnum they went out like someone had turned off a light switch.
I'm guessing by your comment you have no idea what a prairie dog is.... Like any woodchuck, they need to be shot to keep animals like cattle or horses from getting broken legs with their holes.
A humane kill is best. Good onya!
@@truckert9729 that's why I use 458 socom bal . 😈 I'm from south Dakota and when I was a kid we'd spend time on a farm ( our version of summer camp ) in Chamberlain . The owner would pay us 25 cents per prairie dog . I'd bring my all my guns ( you know, cus at 12 yrs old a boy needs ten guns ) and my friends and I would make some good spending money. We even got hired by some the surrounding farms. The three of us would pool money at the end of the week for ammo and comics and sodas .
@johnnys141 hey man, mom found her underwear in your closet again. You gotta stop wearing her panties John.
@Sharron Clark yes, dying hurts. If it's alive and then it dies there normally is pain involved. Did you know sneezing stops your heart? If you sneeze a hoe bunch in a row then not only will it hurt but you may die and that might hurt too.😉
I love my .22 mag rifle, I call it an "East coast .223"
The .22 Mag is actually a .224.
But so is a 223
It's terrible on racoons.
@@redlicoricerifleexpert7489 ????????
@@zcoleman4187 With trees everywhere, shots are rarely over 100 yards, so a .22 magnum is adequate power here.
I have an 8 shot Taurus 941 in 22wmr. It had a horribly heavy trigger pull in double action. Did some reading online, and after a little spring work I feel like the trigger pull weight was cut in half. I'm also glad that I have about 350 rounds through it after the spring work and haven't had any reliability issues. It's a nice little revolver and 22 magnum is a joy to shoot.
Bought a 22 magnum revolver for my daughter. Better to have a 22 magnum on you then a 45 at home.
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@Good work from you as a parent. I gave my daughter a beautiful little ballistic backpack and a super small North American Arms 22 Magnum revolver. With a head shot it's just game end for the bad ass. The best weapon is the weapon you carry with you 24/7, Having a hand cannon at home is fun but useless.I sleep and take even a bath with my glock 24/7 He is my best friend in this life that I can count on
@@@Rain-tt9dr Then she only had to shoot once to kill. But better was a 2.5 inch 44. Fits better in her bag
I have a xds 45 it’s amazing
@@Rain-tt9dr This is not wise, you need to get her a small round and lots of range practice. A full size .44 magnum revolver is not pleasant to shoot, let alone a snub.
If i was in america i would just be happy i could have guns. In the uk u cant even own a 22 pistol at home, unless u like 5 years inside
I saw a Indian in Alaska drop a moose with a 22 mag got it right in the eye it just dropped.Was beyond badass
Nice, I'd be excited asf if I got that much meat with that cheap of a bullet and (probably) gun.
That's impressive.
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This is a great video of a guy taking out a 400lb boar with a .22lr. Subsonic ammo. Right in the eye.
Jüdäs not allowed to criticize native Americans ☝🏻 especially their hunting. I saw a video of them whaling, where they blasted at a humpback’s brain with an AK47 when it surfaced 😳
@@georgeshorter142 lmao
I'm in love with the .22 magnum. I'm a mess without it, I can't eat when it's away. If we argue I'm not relieved until we make up. I'm sure we'll be one of those stories you hear about, how when one is dies the other will pass a short time after, a few months. It makes sense, we've been together since we were 12, talking on the phone all evening, "no, you hang up first - no, you hang up first......"
Out of 500 22wmr rounds, I've had only one failure to fire. Half of the rounds fired were cci maxi mags and Hornady VMAX with the ballistic tip. The ftf was a cci and it fired when I rotated it into to chamber. Possibly an air bubble in the rim. It happens.
I've been carrying a 22wmr heritage rough rider on my commute to work through campus and downtown and it has been serving me well. Helped me thwart a mugger by just presenting it. Better than a sharp than a sharp stick. Thanks for vid!
the cci maxi mags didn't work in my son's heritage revolver either light primer strikes. rotated the rim tried 2 more times then it decided to go off. the heritage revolver is a piece of shit its not the ammo been shooting the same shit for 30 years! that gun will get you killed.
@@justinriley8651 interesting 🤔. I haven't had those issues with it yet. I had an issue with hammer travel, but that was because of some custom grips I put on it. They were interfering with some of the internal parts. I've since upgraded to a Bersa Thunder in 380 if it makes you feel better. Have a good one.
@@reggaetonjones1988 I think that you changing guns was a good idea. sell that heritage .
The mugger just sees a BIG revolver, not the caliber or action...for the quick glimpse the mugger gets, that is a model 29 for all he knows...gotta remember the vast majority of 'encounters' involve zero shots fired...
@@PetuniaIii-pd1ww that's dumb logic 🤣. anybody with a lick of sense isn't going to trust their lives to some old stupid wives tale like that 🙄 ! if you intend to defend yourself come prepared!
I've heard about the primer problem for 50 years. Frankly, I've never had a big problem with it. I can recall only one or two rounds that failed to go off, both in revolvers and rifles. I've probably shot ten thousand rounds or more over the years. This so called problem just wasn't there, and I was generally buying the cheapest ammo I could find...yeah a kid could go to the hardware store and buy 22 ammo way back then, before 1968 when everything got screwed up.
dude i’m 18 and just bought .22 magnum at big 5 today in CA and i had go through a background check with fingerprints and everything and it 50 dollars for 100 rounds fucking crazy how times have changed. moral of the story never sacrifice freedom for security
I love the small gun series!
Whoa hey! We got the same first name!
@@donovannotmyname7306 That's pretty cool man.👍🏻
@War Zone I like small guns for fun. I actually cary a 9mm or 357 magnum. And as for rifle rounds I like 556,762-39,308 ,450 Bushmaster, 45-70. Small game hunting I like 22 lr. But all that aside as long as you can put rounds on target where it needs to go. Small or big shot placement counts.
@@donovannotmyname7306 but you very clearly said Donovan was not in fact your man
@@malancline13 I lied.
Why don’t they make defensive pistols designed around rim fire ammunition with “dual” firing pins?! The early lever guns used this fester to fairly good effect to increase reliability.
That's a really clever design
Because 22 ammo is not unreliable anymore, if it ever was. There are however unreliable firearms chambered in rimfire calibers.
Terry Waters still doesn’t mean it should be a go to unless you aren’t good with anything else
@@terrywaters6186 Yeah, it is much more reliable than it was, but in a self-defense gun, you want something that is as close to 100% as you can make it.
I would assume that by doubling your contact area you would have to double the force exerted on those firing pins. For a lever action- which is cocked via the rifle's lever- this isn't an issue. However, with revolvers this requires adding weight on an already heavier than average trigger.
3:50 my dad's ruger single six has never failed to fire, with either the .22 or the .22 magnum cylinders
That is TRUE with MY Single Six as well, and almost true with my 10-22. But I bought a S&W number 617, and with some ammo it has a 10% misfire rate. It got BETTER seemingly after it got about 10,000 rounds through it. On some brands it is about a 1% misfire. I cannot explain how it got "better" but it did. It has about 20,000 rounds though it now, BB
My .22 magnums have never failed to fire until I tried that new Winchester bulk pack .22 magnum, game and target universal rimfire. Had a round fail twice within 24 rounds of testing. I eliminated it as a cheap option for carry right then. My cci's, Hornady and other plastic grid packed ammo are still 100%.
Mines never had a ftf either.
You know, I have that gun too, and it also never seems to misfire.
I’m not sure why but despite popular consensus while using the Hornady Critical Defense 22 mag I’ve only had one failure to fire in 200 rounds and with Gold Dot for short barrel, zero failures in 400 rounds. Both while using my NAA 22 Magnum. This reliably holds true with CCI 22 long rifle in my Ruger SR22. So needless to say I’m a 22 fan.
My original EDC was an M&P 9C. I loved that gun but I found myself finding excuses not to carry it which really defeats the purpose. Over the last couple of years I’ve carried pocket pistols religiously. Taurus 738 TPC, Beretta Pico or the NAA 22 Magnum.
I realize these may be a joke to some but to me, I feel they may just be a game changer.
Thanks again for all your hard work.
Wes
Paul Harrell did a video about barrel length, and any extra length .75 inches or more show an appreciable increase in muzzle velocity. Less than .75 inches the velocity increase wasn't as great and fell into the difference from round to round.
greylocke100 Paul Harrell is legend.
22 Magnum seems to be more affected by barrel length than any other caliber.
@@paulross9287 Being a thinner cartridge, it relies more on powder burn than a wider cartridge of similar size, making barrel length more important.
I "downgraded" to a 351PD from the brutal, fire-breathing, hand-crushing 360PD. I put a lot of rounds down range with the 360, and suffered greatly for my efforts. I love the .357, but it's a questionable fit for an 11 oz. J frame. 22 WMR, however, is an ideal round for a firearm that weighs about as much as a handful of potato chips. As a side note, I tested several different brands of ammo in the 351, and Speer Gold Dot, Critical Defense, and Fiocchi FMJ were the most consistently accurate. I could keep groups within 2 inches (7 yds rested) with those loads, while others opened up considerably. Armscor was the worst with typically two wild flyers out of 7 rounds. Lastly, I have yet to experience an ignition failure with the 351PD after approximately 200 rounds fired. YMMV.
I just picked up a 351C this evening, can't wait to shoot it. It's so light it feels like a toy.
Agreed. I’ve had misfires with .22 long rifle ammo and NEVER with a .22 Magnum
The CCI 22WMR varmint rounds with the 30 grain Hornady V-mAx projectiles makes for a very high velocity, great expansion, and great penetration, even out of a snub-nose revolver
They do not expand in a barrel that short, not Evan a 4” barrel.
Alot of people forget about the .22 Mag. Underrated. I've got an old single action ruger with an interchangeable cylinder that I can use .22 mags with. Fun
My wife's 1st handgun was a Charter arms pathfinder in 22mag. Put a lot of rounds through it with zero problems. I would recommend it to people with a smaller budget. Great video.
I just bought a little NAA 22 mag with the folding grip. It's loaded with the Speer Gold Dot self defense stuff. I bought it solely for the purpose of being able to carry a gun when I can't technically carry a gun. It is perfect for that purpose or simply as a backup gun. I can clip it in my pocket and forget it's even there and it looks just like a pocket knife while in the pocket.
I have a Ruger Single Six in
.22LR, with a switchable .22HMR cylinder. It is a single-action revolver with a 6" barrel, and it's a tack driver at 25 yards with either caliber (and decent ammo).
No, it's not very concealable and I really do not use it as a self-defense weapon, but it's an excellent varmint gun.
I love this round.22mag very underrated
NAA is the best little revolver to carry by far. Sidewinder is the best one. Well made and accurate for what it is.🏆
There's an old axiom: "Any gun is better than no gun at all." The .22 mag is definitely 'pretty good' to have if no other gun is available. But it's better to try several different centerfire calibers (start with .380 and go up from there), settle on what you're comfortable shooting, and practice, practice, practice.
Interesting. I bought and carried a S&W in the PD version when I had surgery years ago to both of my hands and I couldn't grip anything else and control the recoil. I still have that little powerhouse (??) and will carry it if I'm wearing very light weight shorts and need deep concealability over something else that would be considerably heavier. I also inherited a 4" S&W revolver I bought my Dad when his arthritis prevented him firing his beloved .357 Magnum or any autoloader, and got it back after Dad passed away. It is a very mild shooter but its bark is FAR louder than what you'd expect for the cartridge size.
Both of those guns are good little shooters although their ammo feeding needs are pricey to fulfill given their caliber.
As I said I like both guns and haven't any plans to sell either. Yet.
Then there is the Marlin Bolt Action rifle. Never a stellar performer in the accuracy department, it has taken a couple of rogue feral dogs who made life difficult when I wanted to go outside of my house and into my own yard. Not any more, though.
It is just a fun gun to shoot.
Thanks for the video and data. It is enjoyable.
Ratio of the squares of the velocities yields the relative energies. The WMR has 42% more energy, nice correlation with penetration.
Taurus 942 in 2in or 3in, steel or ultra light models (24oz & 17.5oz respectively), 8 rounds, about $400 MSRP. The 3in will probably be a huge winner, especially the ultralight version!
We own a 2 inch steel model, it gets carried often, loaded with hornady or gold dots...it has been totally reliable, accurate out the box...we shoot the gun every couple months, we really like it...
EXCELLENT video, Chris! I’ve never considered any rimfire for personal defense (too many FTFs), but I have considerable experience with - and respect for - the .22 WMR. Long ago, I was assigned to Durham, NC, and my family lived in a rural home on five acres, surrounded by hundreds of acres of essentially undeveloped land. It was great, however, the meadows and woods near our home were LOADED with some potentially dangerous critters. I was vigilant in keeping my property’s population of copperheads, raccoons, opossums, etc. under control, due to the pre-school kids. The .22 WMR was unbelievably effective (of course, this was fired from a bolt action rifle, not a handgun), and I’ve never doubted the round’s potential.
I wouldn't want to get shot by any caliber bullet leaving a firearm.
Frissdas1207 true that I got hit my a 22lr and it sucked
I from the UK best we are allowed is a shotgun. I have always been puzzled why some people maintain they need a Dirty Harry for home defence. Shoot the intruder with a 22 and they will more than likely leave. If they don't shoot them again, it makes for less time at the cop shop and less to clean up after. Shoot them with a 44 or a shotgun you still be finding bits a week later. Oh before you say it, yes I am jealous, 40 years ago I use to go shooting with a martini action 22. Now I'm limited to an 11flbs air gun only good for rabbits and plinking in the garden. You guys are lucky, I should have moved to the State when I was young enough. 😭
Always a good policy, definitely.
But if I had to...I'd go with a 9mm
I wouldn't want to get shot by a squirt gun
I love my 22mags I've got them from revolvers to semiauto pistols, bolt to lever action rifles , great caliber
I have learned so much from this channel! 22mag is a round I have carried plenty of times, while running in pair of running shorts, or sweats loaded in a NAA. Figured it was better than nothing!
@Kali Southpaw Yes that's the one!
Ive been contemplating what to get when I go jogging outdoors. After a recent run it occurred to me im putting myself in a very vulnerable situation not being armed... I whittled it down to an LCP .380 or KelTec .32 with one of those frame mounted clips, like pocket knives have, that I can clip onto my elastic band appendix style. I couldnt decide if the NAA crosses my personal line of actually being too small to be practical. Not the cartridge but the revolver itself.
@@sergeantbigmac I hear you about almost being too small in size. That 22 mag NAA (1 5/8" barrel) clipped inside my underwear and running shorts, using a IWB holster, was so light I would not notice it a few minutes into my run. Not trusting the caliber to immediately stop someone from shock with an upper torso hit, I exclusively trained shooting head shots at point blank range out to about 10 feet. I used my left thumb to cock the hammer back as fast as I could, while it was being lowered from recoil from the previous shot using my right/strong hand. I think I got pretty good and fast with it. Anyway good luck finding the right running gun.
sergeantbigmac I have med-small hands and can put 3 fingers on my NAA mag with slightly extended VZ grips. Gold dots are the fastest and expand the best in these short barrels
@@sergeantbigmac
Look at the NAA "Black Widow"...it has larger grips (comfortable too) and a 2" barrel for a higher velocity in 22 magnum. Better sights also.
The data you provide after your tests is exceptional and priceless! Thank you so much for your hard work!!!
In South Florida where it's hot as hell 11 months out of the year, I mostly carry a glock 42. But sometimes I carry my North American Arms Sidewinder in 22 Mag.
An excellent little pocket gun in my opinion...
My older brother bought a Ruger single 6 convertible in the early 70s. We were amazed how much difference there was between the 22 LR and the 22 Mag. The mag seems like the perfect survival round. You can easily take down a deer with it.
I think "easily" is quite a stretch
@@Erin-bd6jg My dad shot lots of deer with a 22 LR. We needed the meat and it was quiet enough to not alert the "authorities". We lived in fairly heavy bush. Mostly up close head shots.
Once again kids....Accuracy is final.
327 please!
That is included with the .32 revolver calibers.
I was gonna say that would be compatible with everything .32 only problem will be free bore for accuracy but we aren’t comparing “accurate” guns, just concealable.
I was so excited to hear 32 revolver calibers! I know the currently available selection of 327 fed mag revolvers is really limited, but I think it's a really capable round, especially with an increased capacity over 357 / 38. And getting four and a half caliber options for the price of one means you don't need to buy a trainer, it's already built in.
That’s a 32 newb
That 100 grain AE soft point is a slammer.
We need some Lehigh and Underwood xtreme defender rounds in 22 mag! It would be a game changer!
Have the LCRx with a 3" barrel in 22 mag. Swapped out the clunky LCRx grip with the smaller LCR grip and love it as my carry gun. Virtually no recoil at all. Have never had a 22 mag misfire but have had many 22 LR misfired in other guns.
I bought the Thompson Contender in 1976 in the 221 Fireball and purchased a Leopard’s scope 2.5 power with 18 inch eye relief. At the same time I purchased an insert that when placed in the gun could shoot a 22 family of rim fires , switching to the 22 mag I built the same insert with my tools. Squirrels, ground type had a 10 cent bounty on their tail which in California still exists. Both myself, friends and my children paid for all the ammo , lunch and generally a Great time for years . The Marlin 39A was my rifle of choice. I was Blessed to be raised in the time were Parents, Uncles, Cousins, spent Aunts enjoyed being close and spent vacations, holidays and weekends together, building family and friendships that withstood life. I am 74 years old now and look back at my childhood compared to today. All life is transitory but I lived during the Best
I seriously wish this was a TV show. You are awesome! Such great production.
Keep it up Chris.
You know you can watch TH-cam on a tv? And if this was cable you’d have a shit ton of commercials to deal with? I don’t understand this boomer comment.
Hahah boomer stoopid 😝👎🏼
@Evan Moyer He probably means he'd like to see longer episodes that have the budget of a television show.
This is a TV show. The legacy networks are dead, they are just kicking a bit like a prairie dog shot with a .22LR. Imagine streaming shows that nobody is watching? What a waste of bandwidth.
22 mag out of a bolt action rifle is great for small game up to coyotes. I have a 22 mag pistol and it is a formidable weapon, Grendel p30. Very interesting pistol.
True sorry about the .22 mag. A friend of mine runs a gun shop and indoor range. Occasionally, they would go into the range and try things, mostly testing a lot of the urban legends around guns. Well, on one day, they wanted to test the idea that regular police issued vests could not stop big magnum loads. This has been a folk tale for years. So they tried it. The vest stopped the 44 mag and the .357 mag with ease. They tried a bunch of different loads. The vest worked. Since the vest worked for the "big boy" pistol cartridges, they began working their way down in size to see if there was a small round that would penetrate. They tried many different loads for all kinds of pistol cartridges. They got down to the .22 mag. They tried three different loads in .22 mag on the vest. One of those loads penetrated the vest. Not much, and did not get all the way through, but the tip did penetrate. That was the ONLY round that had this level of success. Hornady Critical Defense, I believe is the load that worked. The .22 mag has a lot to offer. Certainly capable of penetration when needed. Might not have a lot of inertia. but it'll tear through what you need it to.
I believe that Misfires in rimfire ammo can be attributed to two problems.
A. Rim fire ammo requires the primer material to fill the rims and it is not easy to avoid air bubbles that create voids in the rim with little or no priming material. As a result, if a round happens to line up or chambers with a void area where the firing pin strikes it, the round does not go off. The 22 magnum brass is slightly larger than 22lr and so it is easier to avoid void areas in the rim of a 22 magnum.
B. In order for a rim fire weapon to reliably operate the hammer spring strength, weight of the hammer, headspace, and firing pin length are all important factors. A light hammer needs a stronger spring. Headspace, when just slightly too deep out of specifications, means the firing pin does not completely pinch the rim. A firing pin too short causes the same problem.
These problems are the reason centerfire ammo was invented. Centerfire ammo allows weapon manufacturers to have looser tolerances and still operate reliably which means mass production is easier.
In addition, a rimfire multi-round or semi-automatic weapon must be designed so that the rounds stack in a way that the rims do not interfere with the operation of the weapon. Such interference is called rim lock.
In short, a reliable rimfire weapon is harder to make.
I’ve had a LCR in 22M for a few years/several hundred rounds. Zero misfires. I bought it, over the S&W due to price and trigger. I find the LCR trigger to be much lighter than the Smith, Taurus or Charter arms. The Taurus rim fire trigger was so hard it flared up my tennis elbow after just a couple dry fires at the gun counter.
More revolvers please. Your reviews are awesome. Cartridge brands, cross reference between 22LR 22WMR, velocities, jell test, shooters experience and suggestions, what more can we ask for. Solid review. Thank you.
My first concealed carry was a Taurus 941 in .22 mag. with an 8 round cylinder. It was a good gun. I parted with it during the Obama years when .22 mag. was almost impossible to obtain. That gun was accurate and it was stainless and low maintenance.
Never had my S&W 351C misfire, Ever! Great carry gun and very balanced and comfortable to us.. Great concealed carry gun. Fits in your pocket in a sleeve holster.. I wish they were not so damn expensive. Ammo is as expensive as 9 MM
Great video.
I've been a big fan of 22WMR since 1974 when I bought my 1st brand new Winchester Lever Rifle. I've had some semi autos and a few pumps in 22wmr too as well as pistols. They are way underrated in my opinion.I have a double shot Derringer in 22WMR.
Thanks.I will be ooking into a revolver
22 mag is my favorite target practice round. Great range, cheap, and no recoil.
I use a Kel-Tec PMR30 for home defense. Federal Punch .22 WMR has consistent penetration and expansion in short barrels and the round itself offers little danger of over-penetration. I feel the caliber is a good choice for home defense for those of us who reside in an apartment, condo, or trailer unit with thin walls and/or close proximity to others. The Kel-Tec runs quite well and is extremely light-weight with almost no recoil. I feel in a home defense situation, any inadequacies attributed to a smaller caliber can be made up for in the high capacity the Kel-Tec offers, as well as reducing the chance for others nearby being struck. It is also a great option for home defense for people who struggle controlling recoil, as there is virtually zero. My 120lb GF can fire the weapon with absolutely no problems, where a 9mm or higher calibers would impact her confidence with the weapon. We each have one at our bedside, and my mother has one at her house.
I've had a 22 mag for over 10 years. CCI never misfires. Ever. Almost no recoil makes it comfortable to shoot and accurate. People underestimate lower calibers but they can do just as much damage and trauma to the body.
Great video. I recently got my mother a Ruger LCRx .22wmr with the Speer ammo. Much less intimidating than her old S&W .38spl revolver.
I love my Kel Tec PMR 30. I love my XTM22 from Rock Island even more. It’s simply more reliable. I can even run the 30gn loads where you simply can’t in the PMR. However I have to reload twice as often. However, I find the mag changed way easier in the XTM. I however carry the Kel Tec daily as it is just a more comfortable platform in weight, and sight picture.
22 mag lb for lb is damn near on par with 9mm in regards to FTLBS. Only a few foot pounds separate the two.
I love my 22s! Either way carry on!
I never get tired of you, talking about these guns. They are good entry guns and honestly...a master marksman can defend himself with these quite well.
Very nice video, good content. I would suggest that it's not usually light primer strikes in a rimfire, but more likely a gap in the priming compound. That's why they almost always go bang if they're re- chambered.
I'm 71 yrs old, live in northern MN. I've shot more deer with a 22 mag then any other rifle. My other go to gun was a single shot break open 410 3 inch mag slugs. I never wounded or lost a deer with either gun.
.22 hornet I'm 79. Deer every year. Never wounded 1 either
Good hunting!
I have a 22 hornet revolver with a shortened barrel (3"). It is a flame thrower. Shooting it at night reveals an incredible flash. I also have a 22 Hornet bolt action rifle with a shortened barrel and a compact stock. I reload so having a compact very short action 22 caliber centerfire rifle is important. It is my fox/coyote killer. The revolver was a rare find.
Raging Hornet?
I got a Savage B22 Magnum in the tacticool package (with the threaded 16" barrel). I mounted a little old Weaver 2x scope. I have to say this modest little rifle is one of the most fun guns I have to shoot; not sure why! I guess the excellent accuracy and the excellent trigger helps. I also like not digging around in the weeds for my cases, heh. I have no other gun in this caliber.
Well and intelligently presented video. Something, and anything, is better than nothing. I once lended a .38 short Thompson and Contender pistol to an acquaintance and he remarked to it gave him a feeling of confidence/security as he traveled across the US to visit his family from one coast to the other. A .39 short is a puny round.
A CCI Stinger .22LR 32 Grain Hollow Point is rated at 1640 fps & I love them :)
My Wife has easy access to what may not exactly be the ideal Self Defense firearm but our Ruger 10/22 with easy to aim peep sight & a 25 round mag full of Stingers gives her an easy to use, easy to hold, easy to aim low kick weapon !
Solid setup for her
I will say, I have a .22 Magnum rifle.... That thing is a MONSTER. I've no doubt that, in an emergency, it could kill a full sized Whitetail Buck. It hits really, really hard, especially with a 40 or 50 grain hollowpoint.
I bet it knocks a deer right off it's feet.
I think it is probably the best shtf caliber. Ammo cost, firearm cost, low weight, capability, all in its favour! I have always had a fascination with .22mag. But it expands to the size of a .38 at best, and penetrates like a plinking load with a wadcutter .38. I have changed my mind and would not recommend this rimfire for defensive use!
Never tried it, but I've killed some damn big coyotes with it. Kills vastly out of proportion to it's size, assuming you do your part. Like I said, in an emergency, like being stranded in the woods? It could get the job done. It's no .308, but it beats the hell out of throwing rocks or using a 10/22.
Out of a rifle, it would work for defensive use, but there are much better options, even for the recoil sensitive and budget minded. I mean, if it's what you grabbed, it'll probably stop an attack, but for defensive use, you want the biggest hole possible to increase the chances of stopping the bad guy as fast as you can manage. So I wouldn't suggest it for defensive use, especially out of a handgun.
That said, it does kill far, far better than it should, so it makes a damn fine round for hunting, or for a survival situation. And if it's a defensive situation, you can do a whole lot worse, especially if you have a Henry rifle, with the larger magazines, or a semi automatic chambered for it. .22wmr gets work done better than a rimfire has any right to. I don't know exactly how or why, but it does.
I have killed many deer with a .22 mag. Granted they were head shots but worked like a charm tho
Very well done and helpful video. I bought a S&W 22 mag PD for pocket carry. The aluminum alloy makes this pistol extremely easy to carry concealed. The recoil is much lighter than a 38 spl steel j frame. And is much lighter. The loaded 2" barrel, 22 mag, w/ 7 rounds, weighs abt 12 oz. The loaded 2" barrel 38 spl, w/ 5 rounds weighs abt 24 oz. My S&W 22 mag pd has a little catch point in double action. I can pause and aim more carefully at longer distances. It shot @ poa rite out of the box. Paul Harrell has a good review of 22 mag vs 22lr; using his famous meat, fruit and fleece back stop.
That's called staging the trigger. Very accurate for a precise shot.
I keep hearing about .22 and .22mag misfire... in my 30 odd years of shooting both these rounds through revolvers and semi-auto handguns/rifles i have only a handful yes count on one hand of misfires, about the same i have had with cheap centerfire ammo.
Had none out of 7 or 8 thousand
I agree completely. With the exception of one obviously defective RP Viper (the bullet was crooked and the rim of the case smashed) I have NEVER had a dud rimfire (.22 LR or Magnum) in thousands of rounds fired. That's using every brand, through two Ruger Single-Sixes, a Browning Buckmark, a Beretta M21A, a TPH, a High Standard derringer and an old Ruger Mk I. Yet we keep hearing about rimfire unreliability.
Not in my experience.
Thomas L I have had 5 or 6 .22 LR failures from Remington the 555 box outside of that I would say the .22lr is reliable enough to carry if it jams just rack it and it will keep humming 99 times out of 100
I've had the same experience shooting thousands of .22 long rifles in both pistol and rifle... misfires very rare, maybe averaging one every 300 to 400 rounds.
Same experience. I've shot bricks of .22LR and can only remember 1 misfire. I've had more than that from good brand 9mm like Speer Lawman and American Eagle and shot less.
The American Arms .22 magnum save my life back in the '90s. Never had a misfire with it yet. Use only the best ammo.
What happened?
You should tell this TH-camr about your story so he too can be a believer.
Great video as usual. Good analysis different cartridges and barrel lengths. I own at Keltec pistol and a Henry lever 22 mag and I thoroughly enjoy them. I totally agree that for a defense cartridge, it has the problem of missing some shots every once in a while and that's no no for defense. The advantage of this cartridge is the low recoil and superb for varmint hunting with a long barrel using the right ammo. Keep these videos coming.
I grew up on a farm in the Midwest and killed a lot of creatures with many rifles chambered in 22 LR and 22 magnum. There is a big difference in killing power between the 22 Long Rifle and 22 mag in rifles. However, we all know that in handguns the difference is not as nearly dramatic but let me offer a few reasons why I think it is much better as a defensive round. The .22 mag is far less prone to misfires than 22 LR. The 22 mag is still considerably faster even in a handgun. The sound of a 22 mag detonating is considerably louder and more intimidating than the ping of a 22 LR. In a self defense moment in public, I would prefer that people hear the gunshots and make the appropriate 911 call.
About that issue of missfire in rimfire...In October of 1959 in Reno Nevada, Tom Frye, a professional and championship skeet and trap shooter for Remington, set out to surpass Topperwein’s world record. Frye used three Nylon 66 rifles and shot for 13 straight days, 8 hours a day at a pace of about 1,000 shots per hour . When it was all over he had only missed 6 times out of 100,010 for a new record of 100,004 two and a half inch square wood blocks. The rifles had only been cleaned three times in the 13 days. Interestingly, Remington put one of the wood blocks from the record into each of the boxes of the newly shipped rifles. I would guess those would be the holy grail for Nylon rifle collectors if one could be found and verified. Course the available documents don't count the missfires.
Gonna start carrying dual Heritage Rough Ryders
They make good trapping guns because they hit hard and you don't feel as bad IF you drop one of those into a frozen lake (compared to say a Ruger Single Six).
I'll be getting a rough rider soon also. I like the gun and have heard its a fairly decent revolver. I like the fact that you have the choice between 22lr and 22wmr.
Good guns, I have the short barrel and long barrel .22s. I wouldn't use them for carry though. It's just impractical unless you're very experienced and even then, they're nearly impossible to conceal because their size and I'm just not a fan of open carry. Definitely not trying to walk around my town looking like John Wayne.
@@Hugs_4_Bugs_ Everyone should walk around looking like John Wayne though.
Anyone actually considering this might be careful, I've heard carrying SAAs is somewhat dangerous due to a tendency for accidental discharges. I don't know if all SAA related designs are prone to it but apparently the accepted remedy is just carrying with only 5 rounds, with the gun resting on the empty chamber.
I am a huge .22 LR fan and shoot them all the time because it is just fun and inexpensive. I don't see a lot of .22 mag in my state, but great video as always LGA.
That's weird, I've owned a Ruger single six 30 plus years and have never had an ignition failure, never heard of that term....
How in the world have you been shooting rimfire for over 30 years & never had a dud?
I'm going to have to press X to doubt.
You must not shoot very often.
I started shooting 22 long rifle back in the 50’s. I really believe the 22 ammo then was higher quality than these days. Having a failure to fire was a very rare occasion.
I've got an old High standard 22 Mag, Probably over 50 yrs old. 9 round cylinder.
4 inch barrel. still works great.
50 bmg please
I’m a 22 mag junkie. Easy to shoot, accurate, and relatively cheap ammunition. Particularly well suited to people with grip strength issues whether due to age, injury, or other cause. I added the cr laser grip to my smith 351 pd. I hated taking off the beautiful wood grips, but the new grip holds your entire hand and provides great accuracy. I shoot it principally single action to avoid the trigger pull issue.
I also have the keltec and the naa pug in the same caliber. Don’t discount the pug. In my view perfectly adequate to maybe 15 feet
and for the places I go. Wanna hang out in dark alleys at night in bad neighborhoods? Bring your 45 with the pug as back up.
Finally, Paul thinks they’re ok.
Very nice vid.
do you super glue that 45 into your hand?
I own a S&W 351PD, and find the DA trigger extremely heavy, which pulls the sight off target when it touches off. Part of that poor result is undoubtedly my trigger control (need more practice). However, when I shoot it SA, the trigger is as close to a factory "feather trigger" as I've ever encountered on a revolver. Groups tighten up considerably to approximately 2-3 inches for a full cylinder of seven rounds. It is also so lightweight that I can forget I have it on my person. I've even bought two speed loaders for it, which work well.
I also own two NAA Mini-Mags. One is the "HG" model with a very short barrel and a folding grip with a clip on the side to facilitate wearing inside the waistband, and one of which came with a conversion cylinder for .22LR. The conversion cylinder works with both models I have.
Nice video.
Ruger has released the 57 in 5.7x28 (bought one). 5.7 is basically a centerfire version of a .22 mag. Wonder if there is any chance that we will see a revolver in 5.7, that would be of interest to me. And Speer has 5.7 Gold Dot now. Speer knows what they are doing.
That would be awesome. I would definitely want a revolver chambered in 5.7x28
5.7 is way more powerful then .22 mag, as well as being flatter shooting and a lot faster
Good to see that you change your opinion after you crunch the numbers during testing.
My Keltec PMR-30 totally fits in my pocket, I swear!
I'd rather have 30 rounds from a PMR-30 with a 4.3" barrel (or optional 5") than 8 rounds from a 2" revolver!
Have put over 2500 rounds through my S & W 351PD ( until just recently one of my CCW choices) and have used every brand of ammunition and have never had a no bang. This far exceeds my use of 9mm, 380 and 45. The only problem I have ever had was with Sellier and Bellot ammo which jammed my cylinder on each and every shot .
My first deer rifle was a single shot Ithaca 49 in .22 magnum. I killed 5 does and 2 bucks in two years. Great round. Later in life I used a .22 long rifle. Up close they kill deer with out problems. At 149 fpe copper solids have no problem going completely threw a deer skull or both lungs.
Love the mouse gun series. I hope you will discuss how to carry the single action semi-autos like Beretta 950bs, Colt Junior, Sig P238, Colt Mustang, etc. I suspect most people carry them in either condition 3 (empty chamber) or condition 2 (hammer down on chambered round). I think it would be worthwhile to discuss the pros and cons of the different ways to carry them.
45 grain .22 magnum has the same muzzle energy as 50 grain .380 but it's way faster and 30% cheaper.
@Evan Moyer there is one 50 grain .380 round out there. It is solid copper. called civil defense. it delivers 265 ft lbs of muzzle energy. Most .380 rounds are in the 90-95 grain range but deliver far less muzzle energy, averaging around 200. The Hornady 45 grain .22 wmr hp round delivers 275 ft lbs of muzzle energy. out of a 6 inch barrel. I have found 4 .22wmr rounds that deliver over 300 ft lbs of energy. The .22 wmr is quite capable self defense round.
I am such a fan of 22 mag. I think it's just really cool. 22 lr is good but the mag has just a little more kick to take it up a notch
I can't speak for the pistol types in this caliber, but as for the rifle, for the money and ammo on this, you're way better off with the .22 Hornet. If you can reload, the advantages of the Hornet are off the charts.
YAY!!! 9mm MAK!!!!
I sometimes carry a Glock 42 with a 9x18mm Makarov barrel from Lone Wolf Dist.
I am beyond excited to see your video on .32 ACP.
I'm debating purchasing a Beretta 3032 Inox for a pocket gun for hot summer days. Looking forward to the .32 acp video as well.
@@24roughing76 check the energy of any ammo you carry with it. Tomcats can crack their frame if you use too hot of ammo. The exact number is in the owners manual.
@@spartaninvirginia Yep. Been doing my research. Thank you. Plan would be FMJ'S under 130ft lbs in the magazine and 1 Underwood round in the barrel. Internetting has found a few with failures to feed with a mag full of Underwoods.
I'll save you the 10 minutes with my review on .32 ACP pocket guns and .32 ACP ammo.
Three distinct ammo loads: 71 grain FMJ, 60 grain JHP, and 50 grain Lehigh Defense. FMJ pokes a hole about 18 inches, JHP expands and goes about 9 inches deep, Lehigh Defense goes 16 inches deep and does the most damage in gel.
Four pocket pistols:
NAA Guardian that isn't cheap, is heavy, has heavy recoil, almost no sights, and a terrible trigger.
Kel-Tec P-32 that is cheap, light, has a terrible trigger, and is low recoiling.
Beretta 3032 that is pricey, way too large and heavy to be a .32 ACP, has a good trigger, nice grip, but the frames and slides are prone to cracking.
Seecamp is expensive and has no sights.
If Ruger would make the LCP II in .32 ACP, it would be the best .32 ACP pocket gun in the world.
I would like to see .32 S & W revolver ammo reviewed.
I never thought much about the 22wmr until I got a rare gem called the Taurus 941 3' barrel with 8 shots. It totally surprised me with its power and fireball. The accuracy is good within 100 yds. Overall, the 22wmr is very effective for self-defense and just target practicing. Im lookin forward to other types of guns and rifles for the 22 wmr ammo.
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My 351c, after about 100rds and maybe 3-400 dryfires, the arm thingy inside that actuated the other little arm thingy to rotate the cylinder were slipping off each other and not rotating the cylinder... so after watching the action function a few times with the side plate off I figured out what was happening, and some light polishing and correcting the angle on the one thingy fixed it. Several years later it's worked great in a few more boxes of ammo and several hundred more dry fires. Just something that my example of one was affected by.
Hilarious !
Great video. 60 years ago I started shooting 22 LR rifles and pistols. Never had a failure to fire due to ammo and I was firing literally hundreds of rounds in pistols and rifles, revolvers and automatics. In 2000 I started shooting 22s again and got failures to fire from ammo. I think manufacturing and QC is more to blame than the ignition system.
I can vouch for "longer barrel will get you higher velocity in 22 Mag." A few years ago, I did some chronographing w/ a 4-inch Taurus revolver (go ahead -- insert disparaging comments here) -- averaged just under 1320 fps with the same Hornady FTX load, and just under 1350 with the same CCI Maxi-Mag. Also had a little above 1150 from a Winchester Dynapoint 45-grain load (mild to begin with).
No ballistic gel depths, though. Sorry.
Yeah, I'm tired of all the .22 Mag snub revolver gel tests. I want to see some results with a 4 and 6 inch barrel in .22 Mag.
My father had a Ruger blackhawk with a 22 mag cylinder over the years we put a lot of rounds through it and never had a failure to fire
Thanks for your great review of the 22 WMR. Glad you mentioned the LCRx. I have that in 38 Special with a 3" barrel. My only complaint there is the 5 round limit. I'd love to see the LCRx 3" revolver for 22 WMR but with a higher capacity.
I have a Chiappa 1873 with a 10 round 22 WMR cylinder and 6.75" barrel but it is a single action revolver.
For the skeptics of 22 ammunition, I lost a friend during the 5th grade to a 22 discharge that happened as he changed seats in the family vehicle.
Lucky Gunner, when you get to .32 S&W Long, remember that Buffalo Bore offers a self-defense loading for it. That's the one you should consider.
Noted.
What is it? My uncle just asked me where he good get some good .32 long hollow points.
I can't even remember all the .32 cal revolvers, 32 s&w, 32 s&w long, 32 colt, 32 special, 32 h&h magnum... and I'm pretty sure my little list is missing at least 4 cartridges
@Alex Eidenier The semi rim on the 32 acp is a little bit thinner than the rim on the other 32 revolver cartridges. It doesn't fire reliably in revolvers. At least not in my SP101.
From Buffalo Bore: "The use of jacketed expanding bullets in this weak cartridge would be a mistake as even if you could get a jacketed bullet to expand at these velocities, doing so would limit penetration significantly enough that the bullet would certainly under-penetrate and as a result would likely not be lethal to humans." Instead, they load flat nosed, hard cast, bullet for it at relatively high velocity.
I have a 22 Mag lever-action. I love it.
Lucky Gunner is a great source of info . . . which is why when it/they failed to mention that the .22 mag has commercially available ammo with an actual metal "jacket" I was a bit shocked. .22lr has rounds that are electroplated but that is not the same. At lower velocities it does not matter but as you gain speed it can. .22 in any flavor is under powered which is why I want as much penetration as possible. An fmj load helps get that.
The LCR in .22 mag is super lightweight!! You don’t even realize to have it in your pocket until you reach in and grab it. It’s not a potent as a Smith & Wesson model 686 but it’s a hell of a lot better than a short pointy stick.