AMD's last two generations have been very impressive for sure....esp their x3d development. I was very surprised that the 5800x3d was essentially a seamless entry into last gen. Typically anytime you introduce something that innovative which in it's first gen there will be a lot of issues...but AMD knocked it out of the park. The 7800x3d is even better and I wasn't sure that the jump in performance over the 5800x3d could be that big. Unfortunately, the larger core count variants of x3d don't perform as well, at least in gaming. However, as you pointed out the 7000 series x3d CPUs are insanely efficient when undervolting.
Of course, most of the upper end of the power consumption is really inefficient for pretty much all components. Cooling is overrated when you actually optimize your copmonents.
I like this video format a lot. Very informative and interesting. Love the way you explain every choice and how it was catered to your specific situation.
I would love to see many videos like this! Packing high performance components in such a small case! Great to see such a small case packing this much performance.
I've been using the Velka 3 with their Enhance PSU for the past couple of years, going back and forth from the metro NY area to PAX West, PAX East, and PAX Australia. For PAX East, it sits in a LTT backpack along with all its accessories. When traveling to PAX West and PAX Australia, the system sits in a SKB 2011-7 ATA travel case, along with an Asus XG17, Drop Alt keyboard, Glorious mouse, DualShock 4 controller, and USB hub. I've checked the SKB case with no issues (other than TSA forgetting to reattach my TSA locks more often than not). I've gone from a 5600/PNY 3060 to a 5700X3D/MSI 3060 Ti Aero. The one downside is that the motherboard I/O area can get pretty toasty. I bring a small USB-powered fan and point it at the back of the case to keep things cooler, along with using a USB hub to move anything on a dongle away from the excessive heat. I'm using Louqe's Cobalt PCIe 4.0 riser cable. The dark blue is barely visible from outside the case. The light grey cable is more noticeable than the blue.
I made a similar build a couple of years ago, when gpu prices skyrocketed and itx form factor was expensive, paid 950 USD for a 3060. Some of the issues I founds were: -It was super heavy, even it was small -Was hot to the touch while gaming -Fan was super loud, even more than a gaming laptop -Expensive Pros: - it looked so cool in desktop, was easy to setup on a tv or anywhere -Performance was great what I would do different: -If it just for gaming I would stick to a ryzen 5 non X, to keep power consumption down and temps. -Get a 250w or 300w PSU and replace the fan
A few years ago one of my now-roommates was interested in a portable PC for VR. An appropriate external battery setup (Jackery et al) could make this a major beast for actual VR gaming!
That's a cute little bit of kit there! Never underestimate the value of an underclock. I've been happily running my 5700x all core 3.7Ghz @ 0.950v.. I find it remarkable that it typically seems to sip around 35-38W!
This couldn’t have come at a a better time. I was looking into building a new pc hopefully really small as I’m preparing to leave for school. Hopefully this will be the inspiration I need even if my wallet shivers in fear.
Why under volt versus just stepping down in CPU model? Seems like people choose under volting so that they can say "Here i got an R9 or I9 in this little box even though the undervolt make the CPU perform closer to the 7 or 5 models of these CPU's. At any rate, for what you wanted to do, a 13600K with an A380 would have been primo for your encoding needs. Especially the use of QuickSync and DeepLink technologies. Not to mention very good power consumption and low heat heat WITHOUT undervolting while performing pretty close to what you actually got now.
Dude, this is almost my exact setup! I dont have ram, storage or the CPU yet. But the 4060ti palit from techinn was too good to pass up as an ITX sized GPU 👌🏼👌🏼
If you want to do this build: - Ryzen 7900 (non X) is a better choice for that cooler - RTX A4000 with the SFF cooler (3060 cooler mod) works incredibly well and better than a 4060ti. _ if you have the money go for the RTX A4000 ada SFF. I'm saying that because I did multiple builds using this case, severe underclocking, I did also cut the side panel to accomodate larger cooling solutions, and the most efficient and best option is definetely the 7900, the 5950X was running slower with the forced undervolt and the 7950X is really not a good fit neither. cheers.
But have you tried the non-K Intel i9/i7 variants (non-F variants, with an iGPU for QuickSync) with a base TDP of 65W? I'm curious in how it performs in a case like this, and if the max 37mm cooler is capable enough of cooling it without overclocking.
Well thank god then he didn’t go for the 7800x3D then… FYI he went for 9 7950x3D TDP 175 compared the smaller thermal package of the 7800x3D of 120TDP Secondly “would have been better off with a better option” well.. yeah duh. But care to specify Finally, I’m rocking a 7800x3D in the Velka 3 and with a little underclocking it runs perfectly fine in the 70c’s at load. Yes… with the same NH-L9a cooler. Spoiler every amd chip out of the box is overclocked. Manually under clocking the chip had me see a rise in performance and fps
Just a heads up, i have traveled a lot, and if they ever try to make me check a bag, i just say it has my work laptop, battery packs and powertool batteries. They have never given me an issue after that. Granted, i do have said item in the bag.
I don't really understand the CPU choice, wouldn't the normal 7950X be better, especially for productivity? I can even imagine the 7900 (non-X) being good enough while not needing a ppt adjustment.
Have you considered getting a mini water jet or laser cutter to make custom parts for things like the Velka 3 or even full custom cases for odd mobo size like deep itx etc…
may I ask why did you choose to go with a portable PC set-up and not with a powerfull laptop, considering the aditional gear you have to bring just to use it (keyboard, monitor, etc..)? great build btw :)
I often wonder why the 14700 and 14900 processors are not used in builds like this? Both have the same integrated graphics as the K series processors, but with only a 65w tdp. Both can easily be cooled with the same Noctua cooler you used in your build. They can't be overclocked, but with the same integrated graphics, they provide outstanding h.264 editing performance.
Damn this is the most powerful 4L Ive ever seen. Do you think the same build with a 7900 (low consume) and a 4060 solo is a great deal or a 7800x3D undervolt is a better choice?
How were you able to get the temps so low? I just built a similar system (same except for ram, storage, and gpu) and applied the same bios tweaks and my temps are significantly higher. Additionly my multicore cinebench score was 1510 from thermal throttling... I'm possibly thinking I didn't mount cpu cooler tight enough? Any help would be appreciated.
A BitWit build off for charity using teams of viewers would be amazing! Give them a modest budget, expectations/goals, and aesthetics. Throw in some knowledge questions to give some teams an advantage/disadvantage.
I know this is cheaper and more upgradeable (and more fun), but at this little volume and cooling capacity, you would get better performance out of a gaming laptop with a i9 or R9 and a 4090.
Genuine question; why don't you use something like a Mac studio? Is it the apple ecosystem and lack of being able to customize it or mainly just preference?
I've been looking into SFF PCs lately and had also noticed the Velka series. I really liked the 3s size but was very worried it wouldn't be able to support high end CPUs because of cooling limitations. Well, apparently you can indeed run a 7950x in this case but the question that remains is whether i can buy a less powerful CPU, not undervolt it and reach similar performance and similar temps as the undervolted 7950. Maybe someone who's deeper into the entire topic can enlighten me!
If you are just using this pc for editing, then why are you using the 7950x3d? The standard 7950x is a better for cpu for this due to the higher clocks.
My initial reaction would be “why not a chonky gaming laptop”, but theres a lot of benefits to a custom small PC instead; it might be even more portable considering the size of power bricks on laptops these days
This PC is badass. It's also amazing how well a Ryzen 9 can run with such limited cooling.
AMD's last two generations have been very impressive for sure....esp their x3d development. I was very surprised that the 5800x3d was essentially a seamless entry into last gen. Typically anytime you introduce something that innovative which in it's first gen there will be a lot of issues...but AMD knocked it out of the park. The 7800x3d is even better and I wasn't sure that the jump in performance over the 5800x3d could be that big. Unfortunately, the larger core count variants of x3d don't perform as well, at least in gaming. However, as you pointed out the 7000 series x3d CPUs are insanely efficient when undervolting.
Of course, most of the upper end of the power consumption is really inefficient for pretty much all components. Cooling is overrated when you actually optimize your copmonents.
I like this video format a lot. Very informative and interesting. Love the way you explain every choice and how it was catered to your specific situation.
well amd has the asrock 6600xt ITX.. love when techtubers cant even google...
They have 8TB nvme drives???!!
They have 24TB NVME drives. Expensive as can be, large and they run hot, but the drives do exist.
Sabrent has had them out for several months,hella expensive but pretty damn good
@@Dragon151415 years, I believe 😂
What did that cost?!
Yeah for years at this point.
I would love to see many videos like this! Packing high performance components in such a small case!
Great to see such a small case packing this much performance.
I've been using the Velka 3 with their Enhance PSU for the past couple of years, going back and forth from the metro NY area to PAX West, PAX East, and PAX Australia. For PAX East, it sits in a LTT backpack along with all its accessories. When traveling to PAX West and PAX Australia, the system sits in a SKB 2011-7 ATA travel case, along with an Asus XG17, Drop Alt keyboard, Glorious mouse, DualShock 4 controller, and USB hub. I've checked the SKB case with no issues (other than TSA forgetting to reattach my TSA locks more often than not). I've gone from a 5600/PNY 3060 to a 5700X3D/MSI 3060 Ti Aero.
The one downside is that the motherboard I/O area can get pretty toasty. I bring a small USB-powered fan and point it at the back of the case to keep things cooler, along with using a USB hub to move anything on a dongle away from the excessive heat.
I'm using Louqe's Cobalt PCIe 4.0 riser cable. The dark blue is barely visible from outside the case. The light grey cable is more noticeable than the blue.
no place for a case fan in the velka 3
Dude glad you are posting more frequently man ...
I just ordered a velka 3 last week, I'm even more excited now
no place for a case fan in the velka 3
Dear PNY, sponsor this man for an ADA A4000 "SFF/LP" with 20GB of Vram I wonder how it would stack up against the 4060 ti.
Pretty sure it's worse... Craft Computing showed it was on par with a 4060 even with the 8 GB
You can mod it with a 6pin plug and it actually does pull more than 75w if you do that. I’ve been looking into one for my home lab.
@@usr01 idk if I would shunt an A4000 LP... Maybe a second hand A2000...
It has been tested it hits about 4070 levels, with a shunt mod and a soldered on 6 pin power port
@@emilypeters8888 Someone has been watching NFC
so frickin nice seeing you again you will always be my favorite techtuber
yay Glad to see ya!! Miss ya!
"...but in this case, it's the hero I need." Nice double entendre.
I made a similar build a couple of years ago, when gpu prices skyrocketed and itx form factor was expensive, paid 950 USD for a 3060. Some of the issues I founds were:
-It was super heavy, even it was small
-Was hot to the touch while gaming
-Fan was super loud, even more than a gaming laptop
-Expensive
Pros:
- it looked so cool in desktop, was easy to setup on a tv or anywhere
-Performance was great
what I would do different:
-If it just for gaming I would stick to a ryzen 5 non X, to keep power consumption down and temps.
-Get a 250w or 300w PSU and replace the fan
how heavy?
Great build gotta love the velka case
As always another great video, helpful as always!
Damn that's some fast tiny workstation, i hope it won't caught fire
Why would it catch fire?
@@RacingPotato12 form factor? But i watched the whole video so my comment doesn't makes sense
Hi. Can you drop the link for the riser cable? Thank you.
u got me bricked up here
Yo 💀
@@DaFirstMelon10:42
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@@ruskibruski brick brothers
1:40 what backpack is that Kyle? looks rugged/awesome, would love to buy the exact model
Looks like a Sewell MOS pack V4
A few years ago one of my now-roommates was interested in a portable PC for VR. An appropriate external battery setup (Jackery et al) could make this a major beast for actual VR gaming!
Great SFF build. And I love the Asmongold and Star Wars (ep 4) inserts at 9:53. LOL
That's a cute little bit of kit there! Never underestimate the value of an underclock. I've been happily running my 5700x all core 3.7Ghz @ 0.950v.. I find it remarkable that it typically seems to sip around 35-38W!
can give me link on what riser you use?
I just appreciate you showing me how to properly undervolt in the new ASUS software. I know how to do it in my old 2011 Gigabyte motherboard.
Great stuff Kyle!
Does the Velka 3 come with a power supply?
It has to option to be ordered with one. Best one you get too. Enhance 7660b.
I was looking at review videos on a mini pc that I am considering buying and then this video pops up and now I'm stuck, thanks Kyle
Looks like a super solid workhorse! Hopefully the stuff you get to cover at computech will make this thing worthwhile!
"Workhorse". Nice one.
excited for your computex coverage!
hopefuly its better than his ces coverage
@@GhostReaper2043did you cover anything at ces or you just a whiner
For small games and emulators, this looks like a solid build
Him: "let me pull out my gaming desktop real quick"
Someone else: "You mean your laptop right?"
Him *smiles*
Someone else: "Your Laptop, right?"
@Bitwit I love it when you make PC's for people, I am sure Kyle will love his new PC.
This couldn’t have come at a a better time. I was looking into building a new pc hopefully really small as I’m preparing to leave for school. Hopefully this will be the inspiration I need even if my wallet shivers in fear.
Nice to see an TH-cam PC influencer who builds a PC with more than just a 1TB SSD, plus it's a small form factor one.
I love small form factor. I built one of these back back...............back in the day that was also a fanless design. Highly recommend!!!
Why under volt versus just stepping down in CPU model? Seems like people choose under volting so that they can say "Here i got an R9 or I9 in this little box even though the undervolt make the CPU perform closer to the 7 or 5 models of these CPU's. At any rate, for what you wanted to do, a 13600K with an A380 would have been primo for your encoding needs. Especially the use of QuickSync and DeepLink technologies. Not to mention very good power consumption and low heat heat WITHOUT undervolting while performing pretty close to what you actually got now.
The velka series of cases are great. I have a velka 7 and I love that case.
Dude, this is almost my exact setup!
I dont have ram, storage or the CPU yet. But the 4060ti palit from techinn was too good to pass up as an ITX sized GPU 👌🏼👌🏼
If you want to do this build:
- Ryzen 7900 (non X) is a better choice for that cooler
- RTX A4000 with the SFF cooler (3060 cooler mod) works incredibly well and better than a 4060ti.
_ if you have the money go for the RTX A4000 ada SFF.
I'm saying that because I did multiple builds using this case, severe underclocking, I did also cut the side panel to accomodate larger cooling solutions, and the most efficient and best option is definetely the 7900, the 5950X was running slower with the forced undervolt and the 7950X is really not a good fit neither.
cheers.
SFF is going crazy 😮 and I like it.
That 96 gigs really helped carry the system despite lower clock speeds and undervolting.
Built it this case a couple months ago and it was super fun to plan and build. Would most definitely do it again.
Is there a video on the white pc build you have at 0:40 on the background?? I want to build something similar
You are awesome Bit thank you for all the knowledge brother.
But have you tried the non-K Intel i9/i7 variants (non-F variants, with an iGPU for QuickSync) with a base TDP of 65W?
I'm curious in how it performs in a case like this, and if the max 37mm cooler is capable enough of cooling it without overclocking.
That CPU cooler is inadequate for a 7800x3d... Would have been better off with a better option
Well thank god then he didn’t go for the 7800x3D then…
FYI he went for 9 7950x3D TDP 175 compared the smaller thermal package of the 7800x3D of 120TDP
Secondly “would have been better off with a better option” well.. yeah duh. But care to specify
Finally, I’m rocking a 7800x3D in the Velka 3 and with a little underclocking it runs perfectly fine in the 70c’s at load. Yes… with the same NH-L9a cooler.
Spoiler every amd chip out of the box is overclocked. Manually under clocking the chip had me see a rise in performance and fps
I bought the other small form factor case from a couple of videos ago and that one has been working out really well for me
Totally unnecessary to have a build this small, and yet it's so cute that it's absolutely indispensable.
Just a heads up, i have traveled a lot, and if they ever try to make me check a bag, i just say it has my work laptop, battery packs and powertool batteries. They have never given me an issue after that. Granted, i do have said item in the bag.
"But the fact that it can game this well, gets me kinda bricked up" hahahaha
YOURE DOING WHAT TO A DEAD HORSE?????
Velka 3 builds are going to get more epic with 50 series!
I don't really understand the CPU choice, wouldn't the normal 7950X be better, especially for productivity? I can even imagine the 7900 (non-X) being good enough while not needing a ppt adjustment.
It would be about the same. Might as well get the X3D for gaming on the side
I was gonna do a build like this with a 12 core CPU and the Velka 3 will be perfect
Can you bring this as cabin luggage with that power brick? Isn’t 90w the limit?
what was the length of the riser cable you used?
what is that backpack the first one you show in the video
I want to build this exact PC, can you linkto to all the components you used?
Have you considered getting a mini water jet or laser cutter to make custom parts for things like the Velka 3 or even full custom cases for odd mobo size like deep itx etc…
I'd be interested in building a rig like that. My only question is what it ended up costing?
The 8TB SSD will not overheat, since no heatsink?
Damn bro I really love your presentation. You da man, Kyle! All the love.
may I ask why did you choose to go with a portable PC set-up and not with a powerfull laptop, considering the aditional gear you have to bring just to use it (keyboard, monitor, etc..)?
great build btw :)
Fantastic video thanks! As someone with minimal knowledge, is it easy to build on its own once I get all parts?
The X3D part seems to make NO SENSE here. I mean sure itll do it, but 7900x not a better option ? Okay
absolutly.
May because the X3D is a 120w and the 7900x is 170w
Hey there, how long is your riser cable and what brand are you using?
I often wonder why the 14700 and 14900 processors are not used in builds like this? Both have the same integrated graphics as the K series processors, but with only a 65w tdp. Both can easily be cooled with the same Noctua cooler you used in your build. They can't be overclocked, but with the same integrated graphics, they provide outstanding h.264 editing performance.
is this really limited to 150mm flex PSU? or can a 170mm fit?
Damn this is the most powerful 4L Ive ever seen. Do you think the same build with a 7900 (low consume) and a 4060 solo is a great deal or a 7800x3D undervolt is a better choice?
Talking PC's ... What about the screen you'll be using ? do u take a monitor with ? ...
You could have tried direct die cooling if temperatures are a problem
I thought u had built a sff pc on the sktc a07?
03:45 After many years of AMD being the "chips that run super hot" it's nice to see them take a bit of a win on this one, not gonna lie.
You could always throttle back the frequency of the 14900 to keep it cooler, but, then is it really gonna be faster then the ryzen9?
What is the dimension for the flex psu?
Is this a Kolink riser?
What about the noise level, please? You got me curious:)
Hey, where is the giveaway link? ;) Actually, that power in such a tiny build is astounding. Sweet build.
How were you able to get the temps so low? I just built a similar system (same except for ram, storage, and gpu) and applied the same bios tweaks and my temps are significantly higher. Additionly my multicore cinebench score was 1510 from thermal throttling... I'm possibly thinking I didn't mount cpu cooler tight enough? Any help would be appreciated.
Excellent video and quite impressive build and results! Hope it serves you well and looking forward your Computex coverage.
I wonder how a desktop replacement laptop compares
Is there any reason you use h264 on 4k rather than h.265 ? Thank you
A BitWit build off for charity using teams of viewers would be amazing! Give them a modest budget, expectations/goals, and aesthetics. Throw in some knowledge questions to give some teams an advantage/disadvantage.
This was one of my plans for a similar situation for my study abroad XD. Also what was your experience like traveling with a PC.
I know this is cheaper and more upgradeable (and more fun), but at this little volume and cooling capacity, you would get better performance out of a gaming laptop with a i9 or R9 and a 4090.
I'm surprised you went with the X3D model, rather than the 7950X. If you don't mind, what's the rationale behind that?
Maybe the 120w on the X3D compared to the 170w of the X
Wonder if it would fail at the critical moment like Paul's 7970X CES 2024 $10k System?
Genuine question; why don't you use something like a Mac studio? Is it the apple ecosystem and lack of being able to customize it or mainly just preference?
I've been looking into SFF PCs lately and had also noticed the Velka series. I really liked the 3s size but was very worried it wouldn't be able to support high end CPUs because of cooling limitations. Well, apparently you can indeed run a 7950x in this case but the question that remains is whether i can buy a less powerful CPU, not undervolt it and reach similar performance and similar temps as the undervolted 7950. Maybe someone who's deeper into the entire topic can enlighten me!
with 2 nvme you are running at 8x pci-e speeds??
Wow its almost computex already and i just recently got a job wow how time flies. :)
Who won the pc in the last vid Kyle? Just wondering
They are selling the typographic card on Amazon. It sucks his video didn’t show us which graphic car we can get.
Your opinion on windows 11 recently?
portable space heater is always nice
If quicksync is way faster could've just used a 14700T or similar cpu from Intel that is meant for lower power envelopes
hmm why not Axp90x36 for the cooler ?
They both cool 95w probably a personal choice
Really making me consider building an itx PC
If you are just using this pc for editing, then why are you using the 7950x3d? The standard 7950x is a better for cpu for this due to the higher clocks.
My initial reaction would be “why not a chonky gaming laptop”, but theres a lot of benefits to a custom small PC instead; it might be even more portable considering the size of power bricks on laptops these days
I’m number 11 to comment. Thank goodness he is back. Building PC again.