I use a combination of the d-pad and the left analog stick for Tekken 7, it works really well. But I think you should never rely on the left analog stick alone, only as an assistant.
Same, I use D-pad for everything except for f, half circle forward type commands. I just jump to the stick real quick and throw it in there, usually buffered with jabs or something.
@@liu3chan When playing on 1p side, your thumb is extremely close to the left analog stick, right? Let's say I want to wavedash, I do f on the d-pad then d,df on the left analog stick. Try this: ch df+2 with Kazuya, then f on the d-pad followed by df+2 with the left analog stick. I find it much more accurate and consistent than using the d-pad to do f then picking my thumb up and pressing it back down onto df. I basically just flick my thumb down onto the left analog stick immediately after pressing f on the d-pad.
@@rossmanmagnus like I said, I'm not lifting my finger I'm flicking it down. Technically it would be faster to use the d-pad for every input, but it's less accurate. To do cuz he is perfect electric for example you must have at least one frame of neutral, which means you have to pick your thumb up off the d-pad. In this scenario it is much more accurate and much faster to Simply flick your thumb down to the left analog stick.
@@gfxb3177 I don’t think it’s fighting games in particular. A few hundred hours of rocket league and your ps4 controller is gonna drift. Source: have way too many nearly broken ps4 controllers.
I will be honest, it’s miles easier for me to play with analog compared to the d-pad. Especially quarter and half circle inputs. For example, it’s fine for me to play Tekken on a d-pad but if I play someone who needs to consistently do motion inputs, I go with analog. GGS I played with analog all the time
For the longest time I never understood how people were able to use an arcade stick because I had so much trouble getting *any* kind of consistent input with an analog stick. It wasn't until many moons later that I found out that arcade sticks are basically just secretly dpads. Once I figured out about the microswitches and different gate types *everything* made sense
I wonder why arcade sticks are so expensive when they're far simpler to manufacture than your average analog gamepad these days... I would absolutely ditch analog stick if the gate wasn't so highly paywalled. What sucks is that Sony is pretty much the only company that makes rolling dpads standard on their controllers, so for any other pad user dpad also just isn't an option as they make motion inputs far more difficult than necessary
Greed and the fact that they aren't bought as frequently. If a ps5 controller breaks most people would simply buy another one and call it a day. Arcade stick users can simply swap parts with relative ease, even if the case cracks it can simply be glued or if not most users will just by an enclosure or used stick and swap in parts. There's just not a lot of money to be made in fightsticks unless you offer customization services.
Quality and durability is much higher for arcade controllers, they also have higher material costs such as machined aluminum for the stick shaft. Modern controllers are mostly cheap plastic garbage with programmed obsolescence built-in. Parts originally designed for arcade machines needed to be durable for thousands of hours with careless people handling them, that's why they're sturdy and more expensive.
@@VanisherXP ehhh. Most if not all arcade sticks are just boxes with simplistic, replaceable parts and components wired to a simple motherboard. The last arcade stick I bought was 5 years ago and only now am I buying another one. Two purchases in the span of 5 years. Its not crazy to pump the prices up on arcade sticks if you want purchase rates like that to be profitable.
I agree with this, but my mind was changed when I started using the Hori Fighting Commander OCTA for PS5. They made an eight gated analog stick and its amazing. It's like a miniature fight stick with my thumb. I recommend this for players who like using thumbsticks
@@MasterShake too late brotha. I only use my Xbox for Dead by Daylight so it wouldn’t make much sense.. Alrhough my R3 button is already getting stuck on my PS5 ver. I just ordered a Fightstick and called it a day lmao. Honestly it is good tho just not worth $60
@@Itslewcario ah well i play on PC and i got it a year ago or so but it's doing very well for me, just kind of odd finding out that i am appearantly one of the few that likes using analog instead of dpad.
Thanks for telling me the hard truth. I've been playing SF6 as my first fighting game and as a big Soulsborne/racing/platformer enjoyer I've gotten so used to using the thumbstick for literally everything. However, I had so much trouble pulling off even a single special move let alone a combo I was actually getting frustrated. I'll use the dpad from now on. But probably I'll order a stick.
The problem is the xbox controller d-pad (which is what i play on) is in an awkward place on the controller to use comfortably for gaming unless it's in a menu
As much as i love the dualshock, the dpad is ATROCIOUS. I will give the xbox controller praise for the tactile feedback the dpad gives. If only sony would take a hint
@@squidee the tactile feedback on the xbox is the problem. If it were smooth and each direction was disconnected instead of one chunky cross button like the ps4 it would be so much better.
@@squideeagreed, out of the modern consoles the XBox has the best dpad. I've always always hated the Dualshock dpad, it hurts my thumb and is awkward on diagonals. The best dpad ever is still the Sega one tho. I want a Genesis controller.
It's so weird that I'm usually the outlier in my friends group when it comes to Dpad vs Analog in fighting games. Must explain why I'm usually top 3 at any fighting game we pick up in the group 😎
I don't agree with the technical arguments. A fighting game that accepts stick input could absolutely emulate an arcade stick's hot zones if it wanted to, just without the satisfying clicks / haptic feedback.
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In my first few month of playing fighting games, i used to play with both the d-pad and the analog stick. The d-pad was for movement and The analog stick was for the special moves. Now I'm good enough to use the d-pad alone.
This is going to sound weird but I've been playing fighting games with the left thumbstick my whole life such as Dead or alive Mortal Kombat Street fighter Tekken dragon Ball fighterz marvel versus Capcom rumble roses you name it it's just the easiest way to perform special moves that requires diagonal input doing it with a d-pad is pretty difficult and some of my friends and family members criticize me very harshly for using the left thumbstick for fighting games rather than using the d-pad it's anyone's choice how they play fighting games no one has the right to criticize how we play fighting games if you want to play fighting games with a d-pad go right ahead I won't stop you even on PC I still play fighting games with the left thumbstick I don't use the keyboard because it's too hard for me to perform special moves that's all I'm going to say
Thanks for this video dude! I’m new to fighting games and I’ve been using the analog stick for guilty gear strive. There are certain inputs I could not hit consistently and I had a feeling the Dpad was probably the way to go. I tried it and it felt a bit awkward but definitely more reliable. This video helped confirm my suspicions and gave me the confidence that mastering the Dpad will be worth the effort in the long run. Thanks again man!
Strive with analog is honestly fine. The only games to really have me doubt my analog loyalty were Uniclr(Definitely an easier game with fight stick) and Tekken(kbd on analog stick makes my thumb want to fall off and die)
I've definitely spent more of my time gaming using analog stick than d-pad. For fighting games, doing inputs on d-pad requires more strength and energy for me because of the physical resistance of the buttons and having to press into the controller. Neither of those things exist using analog stick, so I can do inputs faster. Not being precise with an analog stick sounds like a skill issue to me. ;)
I prefer controller with analog, but I’m switching over to a fighting stick for Tekken.. Being able to use more than my thumb for inputs will save my hand, controllers, and brain from unnecessary stress in the long term!
I don't know I think that it's actually whatever you're comfortable with that is the best option. I think there are people at all levels who use different methods of playing. Although admittedly some controller configurations work better than others.. whatever gets you to win at the end of the day is best.
@@zoey2262 i thought on a hitbox you pressed a button for diagonal forward that's interesting 🤔 In general tho im too used to controller now and it would be stupid to go to controller after investing in a stick I like the lever for sf
@@Sharky_0456 yeah it works exactly the same as a hitbox if u have a good keyboard, there's no reason to a hitbox unless u like the buttons or smth idk (or travel a lot but i cant lie im not doing allat)
@@zoey2262 went to a comp today and saw someone with a keyboard that had all the keys removed besides the needed keys and it had a Photoshopped "shitbox" logo lmao
I feel like Analog would be fine if modern sticks still had octagonal gates like the N64, GameCube and Wii Classic Controller Pro. Like using Ryu in Smash Bros with a GameCube Analog stick feels weird (which is why I don't use him in Smash Bros) but the octagonal gate at least makes it somewhat feasible since the gate has indents for each of the 8 directions you need, and since using traditional motion inputs makes your attacks stronger than just pressing B there's an incentive to at least try. But modern Analog sticks have a circular gate and it throws directional inputs straight out the window. Like it doesn't fix deadzone and snapback issues but still, it helped a lot. Having said that I use a Genesis style 6 button controller with a Dpad so I will concede that Dpad is better out of the box since you don't need to do tweaking to compensate for the aforementioned snapback and deadzones.
Have custom analoge input zones ever been legalized for fighting games though? Sure it doesn't truly fix the issue, but it can make sticks viable for casual play.
When I played SF4 on pad I always used the analog stick I found motions easier to do with it and my thumb didnt get as sore compared to using the Dpad. The main downside I personally found with analog stick was with dashing. I switched to arcade stick when I could afford to get one since I played SF4 in the arcade a lot and found motions easy on it without the downside of having trouble with dashes
I am trying switch to d pad buttons from analog stick. Currently, it feels like both of them have pros and cons. Analog is faster but less accurate. Buttons is more accurate if you slow down your pace. Also pressing a button one after another is more faster. For example in tekken, making kazuya's leaping kick (three forward + 3) much more easy and reliable. But i can't do wavedash, EWGF, Hellsweep kind of movements with buttons.
Hmm i don't know, so far i've been using Switch pro controller and i always preferred it over D-pad or my mixbox pad. I have thin fingers so my movement are quite precise and the analog is just so comfortable
3:18 Can someone send this memo to Sonicfox, Punk, IDom and Smug? Some of the best players in their field who also mainly use pad. I'm not sure but I think they use stick.
I started new with fighting games and instinctively used the analog stick because I almost never used the d pad for any game. The biggest problem I had with it was doing a down block because moving the stick exactly in the bottom left corner in a fast movement was hard. Most of the time it was recognized as just a left or just a down movement. Now I'm trying to get used to the d pad which feels more reliable. I'm thinking about to get a fighting stick but I'm kinda afraid that it could be not comfortable for me
I use the analog stick for street fighter because i started learning moves on 4 and instead of directions they displayed a circle with an arrow and now my brain is hard wired to spin in circles while using ken/akuma
I use my analog for all my fighting games and I'm a pretty advance player. It takes a certain amount of skill to be able to play with the analog stick. Back in the days people made fun of gamers using keyboard for fighting games but look at the hitbox revolution today.
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Bro, I literally spent 4 hours today switching from stick to d-pad sparring with a buddy on Samsho V and this gets recommended to me now. Kind of late, lmao
You CAN use analog stick to play fighting games. In fact, EndingWalker is using the analog stick on his Xbox controller, because the Xbox d-pad is too hard to press and easy to make mistakes with. The DualShock controller's analog stick is too stiff for fighting games. So use analog stick for the Xbox controller, d-pad for the DualShock controller. All you need is practice:)
i follow a thumb stick player named mwkan7 that does consistently +15 shakunetsus in tekken with akuma, pewgf, instant wr and hard combos with qcf+1 with paul. I use a korean stick tho. Dont play with thumbsticks kids.
Its the complete opposite for me, I've been using the analog for fighting games for years, i can't use the dpad at all, it feels too weird for me. What helps with analog, are those controllers that have the octagonal gate, which helps smoothly control that direction in the analog. I tried to do i-nos movements with dpad, it felt horrible overall, I'm considering getting the victrix pro controller for the octagonal gate as well
Tho it's easier to execute motion inputs on the thumb stick, it's also easier to accidentally input it, like me, playing amane on BBCF, doing the, 5C, 2C, 4C, 1C, but when i go from 2C to 4C, i accidentally make it a 214C and special attack by accident So i use the d-pad until i need to do a half circle :)
I mean, i believe you can build the muscle memory to use an analog stick if you really want to. I use an arcade stick for fighting games, but I use an analog stick on controller when i play thps which people also consider blasphemous. For some reason using a dpad hurts my thumb joint, so i one day just began using the analog stick and i feel like i got just as good over time. Like yeah iwr would technically be disadvantageous, but so is ewgf on arcade stick vs dpad for example, everything will have some kind of down side. except hitbox i guess idk....nerds
People trash me for using an analog stick for fighting games but I'm so used to playing with them and not a D-pad that playing with anything else, including a lever, actually makes my arm hurt.
The only game series I can readily think of that I even use that thumb stick for is Dark Souls, other than that, it's D-Pad all day, just like the Executives at Nintendo intended with the release of the original NES
Spent two days tring to perform double quoter circle movement in sf6. achived it only maybe 3 times. but when i try to do it via analog stick i do it 80% of the time. I don't want to spend a week or more in training room just to figure out how to do it using dpad!
I find that I'm able to input special moves more consistently with analog. Maybe because I have been playing samsh bros as terry all the time. But with movement, like dashes, I usually use the dpad.
Okay i understand but im the only who use the left analog only for fighting game I don't like using the d pad it just feel weird and i not fast enough to the special move but on the analog i can do motions input and neatherrealm input better it alot easiest for me to do combos also i not mean i understand what you trying say in the video it a amazing video which i like it but i just prefer analog the only time i use the d pad to do down down input and dash but amazing video
For me, the whole reason I even got a controller for my computer was cause of using it for fighting games. I just can't use those kinds of digital controls for them. I have to use analog as anything other than simple up, down, left, right I find bloody unusable.
Reminds me playing Cuphead my youngest brother - he uses the thumbstick. With that said, he's almost beaten the game doing so, so I gotta give credit where it's due, that's impressive. lol
i use analog for my mighty ruler lee and at this point im very used to it. if i could find a good dpad with disconnected buttons for pc i would probably use that. obviously on analog you can get accidental up/downs when trying to do a forward input, but, for me, when that happens on dpad it is beyond frustrating
I want to get more into fighting games but I can't seem to get comfortable on any "normal" controllers. With both a d-pad and stick (I bought a cheap MayFlash arcade stick) my hands just start to cramp up after only a couple of minutes of playing. Maybe I should look into these hitbox controllers but I don't really wanna spend 200+ euro on one.
I'm just so used to analog I find d-pad so awkward. But I friggin suck with all the misinputs so I decided to buy a d-pad fighting controller. I hope I can get used to it.
lol this is funny because for two years now and hundreds of hours now on both tekken 7 and 8 i have no stick drift and im consistent and fast on electrics, and i can do perfect electrics somewhat consistently. if it works it works
I started off playing Smash before I moved on to other fighting games (SF, Tekken, GG, etc) though since I had been used to trying to be as precise as possible with analogue, I stuck with it through so many years. Just recently I switched to D-Pad to see if it actually helped... and my god is it so much better lol. Not like I was even used to D-Pad with other games, most other games I play use the analogue stick, but just after like a week on D-Pad I was already more consistent at so many inputs. I still prefer analogue on Smash and other platform fighters, but for everything else it's muuuuch worse. Glad I switched.
I'm left handed so using the thumb stick for movement is okay, I actually prefer it, but I do have a problem with shoulder buttons, since my right hand is slower and limited, I have dificult using the middle finger in the trigger button, which in SF language would be the HK, sometimes my finger doesn't even move and I drop combos all the time, I wish there was a controller with a thumb stick for movement and arcade buttons in the right, but not like those adapted controllers like de sega genesis one with 6 buttons, I wantes a LITERAL arcade control but instead of a traditional stick, it would have a thumb stick poping out of the side of the control like a wii nunchuk XD
It depends on the game though. I like playing on duel shock with arc games, but games like tekken or snk, arcade sticks feel natural to play it, despite I don't own an arcade stick yet. Capcom games, much prefer xbox controllers.
I have a gaming controller wich is LITERALLY the 360 but with 2 buttons added, RGB and transparent. The D-Pad is hard (need too much force to make it work) af and i've been usin stick, should i try it out?
Thumb sticks are better for older fighting games, circa early-mid 2000s. Players are too advanced today for thumb sticks. Even playing older games currently.
I don't get why so many fgc people say that analog sticks are bad for fgs. D-Pad is way worse imo and it's so simple why. For the analog you just have to really control the movement and it worked for me fine all these years. D-Pad just destroys my fingers, it hurts and feels super awkward. Analog or Arcade Stick are my choices everytime.
Yes play what u want But no, fight stick is not just a bigger version of a thumb stick. 1. He already explained how they r mechanically different in the beginning of the video, and the drawbacks of completely digital tracking leading to less accuracy. Levers and gates r just more consistent. 2. The muscle memory is completely different, I don't have to explain the difference between controlling your thumb and controlling your wrist/hand. Even at the biggest tournaments arcade sticks r still used just as much if not more than pads. So whatever differences there r it just comes to preference and comfort
i only use the analog for tekken 6 (we dont have a ps4 or a pc good enough to handle anything but minecraft bedrock) because i cant do electrics with the d pad. my ps4 controller d pad only does 4 directions. i don't know why but it's frustrating
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I use a combination of the d-pad and the left analog stick for Tekken 7, it works really well. But I think you should never rely on the left analog stick alone, only as an assistant.
How do you use it in a match? Do you have two thumbs? Do you use claw grip on the direction input? Do you put the analog stick in your mouth? How?
Same, I use D-pad for everything except for f, half circle forward type commands. I just jump to the stick real quick and throw it in there, usually buffered with jabs or something.
@@liu3chan When playing on 1p side, your thumb is extremely close to the left analog stick, right? Let's say I want to wavedash, I do f on the d-pad then d,df on the left analog stick. Try this: ch df+2 with Kazuya, then f on the d-pad followed by df+2 with the left analog stick. I find it much more accurate and consistent than using the d-pad to do f then picking my thumb up and pressing it back down onto df. I basically just flick my thumb down onto the left analog stick immediately after pressing f on the d-pad.
@@21kHzBANK21kHZ this is suboptimal, you waste time switching d-pad to analog. tekkens a frame perfect game so every milisecond matters.
@@rossmanmagnus like I said, I'm not lifting my finger I'm flicking it down. Technically it would be faster to use the d-pad for every input, but it's less accurate. To do cuz he is perfect electric for example you must have at least one frame of neutral, which means you have to pick your thumb up off the d-pad. In this scenario it is much more accurate and much faster to Simply flick your thumb down to the left analog stick.
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Too bad your analog stick will break more easily when used with fighting games
@@gfxb3177 I don’t think it’s fighting games in particular. A few hundred hours of rocket league and your ps4 controller is gonna drift. Source: have way too many nearly broken ps4 controllers.
Lol I use analog stick on sf6
I play with an analog stick it helps with motion inputs in street fighter
i only feel at a disadvantage with analog when i need to quickly input the same direction twice
that's what i'm saying‼️
I mostly play strive meaning i have a dash button but now that i'm trying street fighter 6, dashing is a massive issue lmao
Yup when i stand on the left side and try to do juris level 3 I rarely get it to come out
I also play Street Fighter 6 on analogue. When I go to cancel something in drive rush, I give the command on the Dpad. Ironic.
Same
exactly. or the backwards throw grab for some reason feels way harder on analog.
I mean endingwalker plays analog and made it to third place at evo. People should play whatever feels comfortable hitbox, pad, stick and etc.
I will be honest, it’s miles easier for me to play with analog compared to the d-pad. Especially quarter and half circle inputs. For example, it’s fine for me to play Tekken on a d-pad but if I play someone who needs to consistently do motion inputs, I go with analog. GGS I played with analog all the time
yea
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For the longest time I never understood how people were able to use an arcade stick because I had so much trouble getting *any* kind of consistent input with an analog stick. It wasn't until many moons later that I found out that arcade sticks are basically just secretly dpads. Once I figured out about the microswitches and different gate types *everything* made sense
update: got a fight stick
all controllers now feel obsolete
ill play fighting games however the fuck i want
lmfaooo
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I wonder why arcade sticks are so expensive when they're far simpler to manufacture than your average analog gamepad these days... I would absolutely ditch analog stick if the gate wasn't so highly paywalled. What sucks is that Sony is pretty much the only company that makes rolling dpads standard on their controllers, so for any other pad user dpad also just isn't an option as they make motion inputs far more difficult than necessary
There's just no demand for it
Greed and the fact that they aren't bought as frequently. If a ps5 controller breaks most people would simply buy another one and call it a day. Arcade stick users can simply swap parts with relative ease, even if the case cracks it can simply be glued or if not most users will just by an enclosure or used stick and swap in parts. There's just not a lot of money to be made in fightsticks unless you offer customization services.
Quality and durability is much higher for arcade controllers, they also have higher material costs such as machined aluminum for the stick shaft. Modern controllers are mostly cheap plastic garbage with programmed obsolescence built-in. Parts originally designed for arcade machines needed to be durable for thousands of hours with careless people handling them, that's why they're sturdy and more expensive.
@@VanisherXP ehhh. Most if not all arcade sticks are just boxes with simplistic, replaceable parts and components wired to a simple motherboard. The last arcade stick I bought was 5 years ago and only now am I buying another one. Two purchases in the span of 5 years. Its not crazy to pump the prices up on arcade sticks if you want purchase rates like that to be profitable.
Been using the pad analog stick for SF4, SF5 and SF6 and won't stop.
Same
I agree with this, but my mind was changed when I started using the Hori Fighting Commander OCTA for PS5. They made an eight gated analog stick and its amazing. It's like a miniature fight stick with my thumb. I recommend this for players who like using thumbsticks
I’ve heard it’s cheaply made and inaccurate… I’m stuck between this and getting the Hori Alpha Stick.
@@MasterShake too late brotha. I only use my Xbox for Dead by Daylight so it wouldn’t make much sense.. Alrhough my R3 button is already getting stuck on my PS5 ver. I just ordered a Fightstick and called it a day lmao. Honestly it is good tho just not worth $60
@@Itslewcario ah well i play on PC and i got it a year ago or so but it's doing very well for me, just kind of odd finding out that i am appearantly one of the few that likes using analog instead of dpad.
@@MasterShake same. I’ve always been analog 😂
Thanks for telling me the hard truth. I've been playing SF6 as my first fighting game and as a big Soulsborne/racing/platformer enjoyer I've gotten so used to using the thumbstick for literally everything. However, I had so much trouble pulling off even a single special move let alone a combo I was actually getting frustrated. I'll use the dpad from now on. But probably I'll order a stick.
i found this video for the exact same reason. SF6 has led me down a rabbit hole
@@chaos9790same bruh lmao Im loving it though, the fighting game genre is so deep and just now jumping in feels awesome
You know the pro player Phenom use the X BOX 360 stick so I think you're fine. It's also better for charge characters.
@@kamaripeart1768 I've been trying the D-pad the past days with a lot of succes. I like it.
Men my dpad is bad and can't really pull the special moves that require you to move forward like rising uppercut, what do I do?
I’ve unironically been using joystick on pad for 300 hours and I’m so far gone that it just feels normal, great video either way
The problem is the xbox controller d-pad (which is what i play on) is in an awkward place on the controller to use comfortably for gaming unless it's in a menu
As much as i love the dualshock, the dpad is ATROCIOUS. I will give the xbox controller praise for the tactile feedback the dpad gives. If only sony would take a hint
What are you smoking? The dualshock dpad is the best controller dpad for fighting games
@@squidee the tactile feedback on the xbox is the problem. If it were smooth and each direction was disconnected instead of one chunky cross button like the ps4 it would be so much better.
@@squideeagreed, out of the modern consoles the XBox has the best dpad. I've always always hated the Dualshock dpad, it hurts my thumb and is awkward on diagonals. The best dpad ever is still the Sega one tho. I want a Genesis controller.
It's so weird that I'm usually the outlier in my friends group when it comes to Dpad vs Analog in fighting games. Must explain why I'm usually top 3 at any fighting game we pick up in the group 😎
Only top 3
I don't agree with the technical arguments. A fighting game that accepts stick input could absolutely emulate an arcade stick's hot zones if it wanted to, just without the satisfying clicks / haptic feedback.
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The only reason I use the analog stick is because it's positioned in the top left on my controller instead of the bottom left
I have quite literally never had any problems with analog. I will always play on analog for life 🔥🔥
In my first few month of playing fighting games, i used to play with both the d-pad and the analog stick.
The d-pad was for movement and
The analog stick was for the special moves.
Now I'm good enough to use the d-pad alone.
This is going to sound weird but I've been playing fighting games with the left thumbstick my whole life such as Dead or alive Mortal Kombat Street fighter Tekken dragon Ball fighterz marvel versus Capcom rumble roses you name it it's just the easiest way to perform special moves that requires diagonal input doing it with a d-pad is pretty difficult and some of my friends and family members criticize me very harshly for using the left thumbstick for fighting games rather than using the d-pad it's anyone's choice how they play fighting games no one has the right to criticize how we play fighting games if you want to play fighting games with a d-pad go right ahead I won't stop you even on PC I still play fighting games with the left thumbstick I don't use the keyboard because it's too hard for me to perform special moves that's all I'm going to say
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Thanks for this video dude! I’m new to fighting games and I’ve been using the analog stick for guilty gear strive. There are certain inputs I could not hit consistently and I had a feeling the Dpad was probably the way to go. I tried it and it felt a bit awkward but definitely more reliable. This video helped confirm my suspicions and gave me the confidence that mastering the Dpad will be worth the effort in the long run. Thanks again man!
Strive with analog is honestly fine.
The only games to really have me doubt my analog loyalty were Uniclr(Definitely an easier game with fight stick) and Tekken(kbd on analog stick makes my thumb want to fall off and die)
I've definitely spent more of my time gaming using analog stick than d-pad. For fighting games, doing inputs on d-pad requires more strength and energy for me because of the physical resistance of the buttons and having to press into the controller. Neither of those things exist using analog stick, so I can do inputs faster. Not being precise with an analog stick sounds like a skill issue to me. ;)
I prefer controller with analog, but I’m switching over to a fighting stick for Tekken.. Being able to use more than my thumb for inputs will save my hand, controllers, and brain from unnecessary stress in the long term!
I don't know I think that it's actually whatever you're comfortable with that is the best option. I think there are people at all levels who use different methods of playing. Although admittedly some controller configurations work better than others.. whatever gets you to win at the end of the day is best.
thanks for the buff as always m8
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keyboard can technically be more relyable with this logic, which i agree with
i only really play keyboard on mortal kombat
anything with quarter circles on wasd is just ughhhhhhhhhhhhh
i dont like it
@@Sharky_0456 u tap s and a or d its the same as a hitbox
@@zoey2262 i thought on a hitbox you pressed a button for diagonal forward that's interesting 🤔
In general tho im too used to controller now and it would be stupid to go to controller after investing in a stick
I like the lever for sf
@@Sharky_0456 yeah it works exactly the same as a hitbox if u have a good keyboard, there's no reason to a hitbox unless u like the buttons or smth idk (or travel a lot but i cant lie im not doing allat)
@@zoey2262 went to a comp today and saw someone with a keyboard that had all the keys removed besides the needed keys and it had a Photoshopped "shitbox" logo lmao
damn i guess i have to use the longer analog stick now
Honestly, I feel like a cheater (or someone using a hybrid) when I switch from d-pad to thumbtack for certain inputs.
I feel like Analog would be fine if modern sticks still had octagonal gates like the N64, GameCube and Wii Classic Controller Pro. Like using Ryu in Smash Bros with a GameCube Analog stick feels weird (which is why I don't use him in Smash Bros) but the octagonal gate at least makes it somewhat feasible since the gate has indents for each of the 8 directions you need, and since using traditional motion inputs makes your attacks stronger than just pressing B there's an incentive to at least try. But modern Analog sticks have a circular gate and it throws directional inputs straight out the window. Like it doesn't fix deadzone and snapback issues but still, it helped a lot.
Having said that I use a Genesis style 6 button controller with a Dpad so I will concede that Dpad is better out of the box since you don't need to do tweaking to compensate for the aforementioned snapback and deadzones.
Have custom analoge input zones ever been legalized for fighting games though? Sure it doesn't truly fix the issue, but it can make sticks viable for casual play.
When I played SF4 on pad I always used the analog stick I found motions easier to do with it and my thumb didnt get as sore compared to using the Dpad. The main downside I personally found with analog stick was with dashing. I switched to arcade stick when I could afford to get one since I played SF4 in the arcade a lot and found motions easy on it without the downside of having trouble with dashes
I am trying switch to d pad buttons from analog stick. Currently, it feels like both of them have pros and cons. Analog is faster but less accurate. Buttons is more accurate if you slow down your pace. Also pressing a button one after another is more faster. For example in tekken, making kazuya's leaping kick (three forward + 3) much more easy and reliable. But i can't do wavedash, EWGF, Hellsweep kind of movements with buttons.
A week ago I wondered why my electrics were so much better on dpad…
The analogue stick is great for doing certain motions and also doing charge moves thats it
Hmm i don't know, so far i've been using Switch pro controller and i always preferred it over D-pad or my mixbox pad. I have thin fingers so my movement are quite precise and the analog is just so comfortable
Wow, so it's ok that I can't use thumbsticks and each time come back to d pad
3:18
Can someone send this memo to Sonicfox, Punk, IDom and Smug? Some of the best players in their field who also mainly use pad.
I'm not sure but I think they use stick.
No way they use analog to play
Man i used the stick on dbfz for 5 years, now the only fighting game I can play with the dpad is tekken.
counterpoint: endingwalker
I started new with fighting games and instinctively used the analog stick because I almost never used the d pad for any game. The biggest problem I had with it was doing a down block because moving the stick exactly in the bottom left corner in a fast movement was hard. Most of the time it was recognized as just a left or just a down movement. Now I'm trying to get used to the d pad which feels more reliable. I'm thinking about to get a fighting stick but I'm kinda afraid that it could be not comfortable for me
I used the analog stick for years until I got my arcade stick.
broke my ds4 left analog 2 days ago spamming dvj's obliteration technique and speedrunning akuma in treasure battle.
I use the analog stick for street fighter because i started learning moves on 4 and instead of directions they displayed a circle with an arrow and now my brain is hard wired to spin in circles while using ken/akuma
I use my analog for all my fighting games and I'm a pretty advance player. It takes a certain amount of skill to be able to play with the analog stick. Back in the days people made fun of gamers using keyboard for fighting games but look at the hitbox revolution today.
HELP what is the game at 0:42? I remember playing it as a kid but forgot its name, I've many times tried to find it again but searching "fighting game with the ooze character" hasn't been helpful.
This time the video helped me remember the snowman character and now I found the game again! It's called clayfighter for those interested, cheers.
Clayfighters
Bro, I literally spent 4 hours today switching from stick to d-pad sparring with a buddy on Samsho V and this gets recommended to me now. Kind of late, lmao
I don‘t mind plying FGs with an analog control stick. It was a lot easier for me to get Circle-Motions and Half/quarter-circles compared to the D-pad.
You CAN use analog stick to play fighting games. In fact, EndingWalker is using the analog stick on his Xbox controller, because the Xbox d-pad is too hard to press and easy to make mistakes with.
The DualShock controller's analog stick is too stiff for fighting games. So use analog stick for the Xbox controller, d-pad for the DualShock controller.
All you need is practice:)
i follow a thumb stick player named mwkan7 that does consistently +15 shakunetsus in tekken with akuma, pewgf, instant wr and hard combos with qcf+1 with paul.
I use a korean stick tho. Dont play with thumbsticks kids.
Defo need that input precision buff, trying to nail that 90 damage dark upper combo, many thanks!
Its the complete opposite for me, I've been using the analog for fighting games for years, i can't use the dpad at all, it feels too weird for me.
What helps with analog, are those controllers that have the octagonal gate, which helps smoothly control that direction in the analog.
I tried to do i-nos movements with dpad, it felt horrible overall, I'm considering getting the victrix pro controller for the octagonal gate as well
I played KOF13 with analog and i was fine, yes you won't be super optimal but it works fine
Chat can I hit Perfect electrics on both sides with analogue. yes I can
Tho it's easier to execute motion inputs on the thumb stick, it's also easier to accidentally input it, like me, playing amane on BBCF, doing the, 5C, 2C, 4C, 1C, but when i go from 2C to 4C, i accidentally make it a 214C and special attack by accident
So i use the d-pad until i need to do a half circle :)
If you speed up the video to 1.25 you get a normal talking speed lol
It really does
Always prefered D-pad for fighting games and I always knew I was right
I mean, i believe you can build the muscle memory to use an analog stick if you really want to. I use an arcade stick for fighting games, but I use an analog stick on controller when i play thps which people also consider blasphemous. For some reason using a dpad hurts my thumb joint, so i one day just began using the analog stick and i feel like i got just as good over time. Like yeah iwr would technically be disadvantageous, but so is ewgf on arcade stick vs dpad for example, everything will have some kind of down side. except hitbox i guess idk....nerds
People trash me for using an analog stick for fighting games but I'm so used to playing with them and not a D-pad that playing with anything else, including a lever, actually makes my arm hurt.
The only game series I can readily think of that I even use that thumb stick for is Dark Souls, other than that, it's D-Pad all day, just like the Executives at Nintendo intended with the release of the original NES
Bro hasn't played a game made past the year 2000
Have you played any 3rd person game aside from dark souls? Nothing beats the comfort of a pad with analog.
In any shooting game or 3rd person game youd never use the dpad. Dpad is best for fighting games, 2d platformers and navigating menus.
@@tongpoo8985 Shooting games are for mouse and keyboard only.
Your missing out on some phenomenal games like the Arkham series
For some hard moves I use the d-pad but I mostly use the analog stick.
I used the left stick and haven’t had any problems
Spent two days tring to perform double quoter circle movement in sf6. achived it only maybe 3 times. but when i try to do it via analog stick i do it 80% of the time.
I don't want to spend a week or more in training room just to figure out how to do it using dpad!
I find that I'm able to input special moves more consistently with analog. Maybe because I have been playing samsh bros as terry all the time. But with movement, like dashes, I usually use the dpad.
Okay i understand but im the only who use the left analog only for fighting game I don't like using the d pad it just feel weird and i not fast enough to the special move but on the analog i can do motions input and neatherrealm input better it alot easiest for me to do combos also i not mean i understand what you trying say in the video it a amazing video which i like it but i just prefer analog the only time i use the d pad to do down down input and dash but amazing video
For me, the whole reason I even got a controller for my computer was cause of using it for fighting games. I just can't use those kinds of digital controls for them. I have to use analog as anything other than simple up, down, left, right I find bloody unusable.
I use directional keys and zxc for kicks and asd for punches in sf3 third strike (hugo main btw)
Ok but I'm not playing on a SNES I am using the cool motion stick
Miss you bro
What do you think about the XBOX Series DPAD? I think it is... Really weird, and i can't really form an opinion because it confuses me lmao
Dashes are definitely easier with dpad but mo way you can do quarter circles and stuff on one
I use the analog stick and I’m just fine. It’s just preference
Reminds me playing Cuphead my youngest brother - he uses the thumbstick. With that said, he's almost beaten the game doing so, so I gotta give credit where it's due, that's impressive. lol
I've missed you
i use analog for my mighty ruler lee and at this point im very used to it. if i could find a good dpad with disconnected buttons for pc i would probably use that. obviously on analog you can get accidental up/downs when trying to do a forward input, but, for me, when that happens on dpad it is beyond frustrating
How I think of it is: Mk use stick since it works better for me and SF use pad since it is different feeling
I want to get more into fighting games but I can't seem to get comfortable on any "normal" controllers.
With both a d-pad and stick (I bought a cheap MayFlash arcade stick) my hands just start to cramp up after only a couple of minutes of playing. Maybe I should look into these hitbox controllers but I don't really wanna spend 200+ euro on one.
0:56 I don't think that 8-degrees-of-freedom is correct here...
I'm just so used to analog I find d-pad so awkward. But I friggin suck with all the misinputs so I decided to buy a d-pad fighting controller.
I hope I can get used to it.
lol this is funny because for two years now and hundreds of hours now on both tekken 7 and 8 i have no stick drift and im consistent and fast on electrics, and i can do perfect electrics somewhat consistently. if it works it works
I started off playing Smash before I moved on to other fighting games (SF, Tekken, GG, etc) though since I had been used to trying to be as precise as possible with analogue, I stuck with it through so many years. Just recently I switched to D-Pad to see if it actually helped... and my god is it so much better lol. Not like I was even used to D-Pad with other games, most other games I play use the analogue stick, but just after like a week on D-Pad I was already more consistent at so many inputs. I still prefer analogue on Smash and other platform fighters, but for everything else it's muuuuch worse. Glad I switched.
I'm left handed so using the thumb stick for movement is okay, I actually prefer it, but I do have a problem with shoulder buttons, since my right hand is slower and limited, I have dificult using the middle finger in the trigger button, which in SF language would be the HK, sometimes my finger doesn't even move and I drop combos all the time, I wish there was a controller with a thumb stick for movement and arcade buttons in the right, but not like those adapted controllers like de sega genesis one with 6 buttons, I wantes a LITERAL arcade control but instead of a traditional stick, it would have a thumb stick poping out of the side of the control like a wii nunchuk XD
A massive dub for this Massive Zug.
I really hate if the game is 2d/2.5d platformer but you can only control your character using Analog. Why? To make things less accurate?
Put the speed to 1,25
Thank me later.
Been using analog all my life when I learned people used d pad I thought y'all were crazy
I’d rather not have my fingers bleed. Analog all the way.
It depends on the game though. I like playing on duel shock with arc games, but games like tekken or snk, arcade sticks feel natural to play it, despite I don't own an arcade stick yet. Capcom games, much prefer xbox controllers.
I have a gaming controller wich is LITERALLY the 360 but with 2 buttons added, RGB and transparent. The D-Pad is hard (need too much force to make it work) af and i've been usin stick, should i try it out?
But what about getting my thumb sore? I literally get hurt when playing Tekken 5 and KOF Maximum Impact Regulation A, it literally make my thumb hurt.
There r better d-pads on other controllers
I youse both digi and analogue to do combos sf6 because some combos I can't get out on my d-pad. I know who would of knew..
1:28 kinda funny that you included that in the bottom right when you pronounce lever as leaver
Thumb sticks are better for older fighting games, circa early-mid 2000s. Players are too advanced today for thumb sticks. Even playing older games currently.
As a lifelong thumbstick user, I'm convinced to at least give the D-Pad a proper try.
In SF6 I only used analog. For ttt2 I notice dpad works better
i know analog sometime result missinput but im more confident using Analog then DPad
I don't get why so many fgc people say that analog sticks are bad for fgs. D-Pad is way worse imo and it's so simple why. For the analog you just have to really control the movement and it worked for me fine all these years.
D-Pad just destroys my fingers, it hurts and feels super awkward. Analog or Arcade Stick are my choices everytime.
the dpad is digital the analog is analog, the game is digital
I mean, playing on a fight stick is equally inferior to playing on the d pad, since thumbsticks are just smaller joysticks no? Play on what you want.
Yes play what u want
But no, fight stick is not just a bigger version of a thumb stick. 1. He already explained how they r mechanically different in the beginning of the video, and the drawbacks of completely digital tracking leading to less accuracy. Levers and gates r just more consistent. 2. The muscle memory is completely different, I don't have to explain the difference between controlling your thumb and controlling your wrist/hand.
Even at the biggest tournaments arcade sticks r still used just as much if not more than pads. So whatever differences there r it just comes to preference and comfort
i only use the analog for tekken 6 (we dont have a ps4 or a pc good enough to handle anything but minecraft bedrock) because i cant do electrics with the d pad. my ps4 controller d pad only does 4 directions. i don't know why but it's frustrating
nvm i was just doing it wrong
i can electric now :)