You are an OG if you remember the good old days of brawl modding,with all those amazing god tier custom movesets for the roster. Game was peak modding for the franchise even to this day
As a Sonic main in all Smash titles, even modded ones, I agree that Sonic needs move sets like these. But I like to see newer move sets based on the combat from Sonic Frontiers as they now definitely show Sonic can fight his foes rather than just turning into a ball or boosting
Forget the games, read the comics. Sonic and his friends don't mess around. While I'm not going to bitch about Sonic's moveset (seriously guys, let it go), I do agree that it feels like either Nintendo didn't even try, or they have no real idea about Sonic's background/universe.
Also good detail to note,in the older versions of SSF2(super smash flash 2) at around 2014 or so,a lot of sonic's moveset changes there were used for almost every PM mod at the time,including the side B dash,the axe kick Fair,etc. Always is amazing to see an entire community come together and mish mash ideas
Axe Kick Fair was actually the other way around. Sonic had his Brawl/Smash 4/Ult Forward Air before his resprite (so any version before Beta), and then it was changed to be the Axe Kick in the first version of Beta when Sonic was resprited.
@@MedhaosFEH yeah you are right,my memory got messed up because I remember playing a heavily modded version of SSF2 before the beta,where it was a transforming Sonic mod where he happened to get the Axe kick as his forward air
Sonic deserves the moveset that better represents his characater and capabilities. Hopefully with Sonic Frontiers and Sakurai playing the game and seeing it as a "must play" before release. I am hopeful Sonic will get a excellent moveset with next Smash entry. Gone are the days of the stigma where people believed that "Sonic isn't a fighter." that many said for years, which isn't true. A merging of Sonic Battle, Frontiers and such will be perfect for him. Sonic in PM/P+ actually FEELS like Sonic and simply awesome. Actually care and love was added to him.
Wait.. people said Sonic isn’t a fighter?.. Um.. have they even looked at half of the Sonic games? Even in the classics, Sonic’s been fighting robots, so..
But there's a chance Sakurai won't make the next Smash game (which is why he went all out for Ultimate)... Then again, he also did and said the exact same thing for every previous Smash game sooo...
@@rubyrogers8879 True... maybe we'll finally get Bandana Waddle Dee in Smash (I'm joking, of course... Sakurai doesn't directly choose what characters get in)
In Beyond Melee Sonic’s run starts slow but accelerates fast to mimic sonic games, I think this also helps gameplay because he can cover large distances quickly but can’t run away as much in close quarters
friggan love your vids my dude!! editing, music, sound, script, and honest content are all top notch! EDIT: lack of smash 64 remix sonic is sad tho D: especially since he has unique moves.
Something that you can do in crusade that you didn’t mention was that sonic can do tricks with the grab button mid air to charge up his boost quicker, something unique to that version of the charater
I’m surprised there hasn’t (at least to my knowledge) been a version of Sonic to have his bounce attack as dair, pogoing off characters like Greninja would be very fitting and stylish.
Shout out to Smash Remix for doing as good as PM in terms of fixing his moveset and also having Adventure and Classic inspired costumes plus Super Sonic as a secret character.
You should've mentioned that if you used Sonic's Down B in the air in SSF2 pre-beta it does the bouncing thing from SA2 and it's a spike that's so satisfying to pull out
This really goes to show not just how underwhelming official smash Sonic can be, but as well as how phenomenal Project M Sonic is. Pretty much every mod and fan game you talked about took something from PM Sonic.
I see these cool moves and wonder how cool it would have been to see them actually implemented officially. It would end a lot of the undeserved hate Sonic gets in Smash. 😮💨
some fun facts: Not only the forward air but also the PM+ Down smash, that flip kick up-smash/up-tilt, the new jab combo are all from Sonic Battle, and the flash game use his sprite from the game as well. The PM+ side special is the summersault from Adventure 2. And the N-air from beyond melee is one of the air tricks from the Sonic Advance and Rush games.
The best change has to be making Sonic's Boost his Side-B, as someone who is a huge fan of the boost, I can't even begin to describe how happy that made me!
I've never seen this channel or any videos quite like this, but I still enjoyed the video. I want to say that since I don't really have much else to comment on other than the fact that I found it funny that throughout the entire video, you keep saying "X moves came back from Project M" when they didn't, all those moves come from sonic battle. It was especially hilarious when you were talking about them returning in Crusade where sonic is literally just using his sonic battle sprites, which should have made it obvious where those moves originated. Other than that though I thought the video was pretty cool, and it was interesting to learn about the different ways that fans have made changes to and arguably improved Sonic's moveset.
IMO Sonic's problems are often overblown. Some people still pretend his every attack is 🔵 when there's only 6 of those moves in Ultimate. The biggest issue is that 3 of those are specials, and I agree he should get a different side special. The rest of the moveset is at least fine, and I don't understand why you'd want to get rid of stuff like the jab combo when it's a good and fitting reference to not only Sonic Fighters but Virtua Fighter as well.
Smash Remix (a Smash '99 mod) has a playable Sonic, and is loosely based on his P+ and Beyond Melee counterparts. Even Super Sonic is playable, but is a boss-style character like Giga Bowser and the Mad Piano.
Just thought you might wanna look out for a WIP mod by Phazoganon called Smash Bros EXO; he has some great design & balance ideas thus far, like a great revamp for Sonic or turning vanilla Ganondorf into Sen. Armstrong from Metal Gear Rising Revengeance (with Ganondorf maybe getting a moveset closer to canon appearances in future, for those who think he needs a bigger overhaul)
Boost is the #1 thing I've always been baffled never got added to Sonic's moveset, as modern Sonic games are all about the boost mechanic and it is an easy replacement for the side B spin dash. Glad to see that someone went ahead and put it in his moveset.
Yoo if sonic had a good move set dude you don’t know how much i would play this character. I was really disappointed on how he was represented in smash with no new characters nor stages beside green hill and windy hill. You don’t know how much potential that sonic has and these mods proves that. I grow up with sonic ever since a little kid and seen his move set being one of the most lack luster and uninspired move set in the entire game just really sucks. Idk why Sakurai choose to choose one game and that game was sonic the fighters 🫤 if Nintendo were to have another smash game make sonics move set better.
I think if a new Smash game came out, it's about time we get a new rep like Shadow. They don't have to completely change Sonic, but a least give him the Ganon/Lino treatment and change his more lackluster moves.
PM Sonic is perfection 👌🏾also I'm never gonna understand how they took more inspiration from Sonic the Fighters, of all things, instead of the Sonic fighting game EXLCUSIVE to a Nintendo console TO THIS DAY 😂
Honestly sonic in mods are very cool shame the development team just slapped hes fast and is a ball and called it a day with so many games they could've changed him a bit Even smash remix version of sonic is crazy all his aerials are some of the other mods his down air he has yoshi's multi hit dair he has colors that represent the sonic series and he can be classic and super sonic as well
If there ever is another smash game, sonic really needs most of his moveset changed using moves from Frontiers and Sonic Battle since they already have some from sonic the fighters cause aint no way they had this shit for 3 games straight
I'm gonna be honest- Removing Emerald Dive for Sonic Eagle has always felt wierd to me. I feel like everyone obsesses about it being a Sonic Battle reference while completely ignoring the fact the original was already a reference to Sonic's other fighting game. In fact Emerald Dive was Sonic's main special move in Sonic the Fighters... Maybe future mods could make it a dash attack?
I prefer Project M's version of Sonic since it makes the Sonic Updraft his Up TILT and not his Up Smash. I don't trust *anyone* who makes it his Up Smash.
Take notes Sakurai! I’m not even gonna sugarcoat it! How you give Ultimate Zelda a Multi-jab but not Sonic? Zelda never had a Multi-jab until Ultimate, I’m just shocked Sonic still doesn’t have Multi-jab after seeing it in this video.
I’m not like most sonic players, I’m more of a close up person, I don’t like hitting and running, because when you do that it can leave you open unless you have quick thinking
You are an OG if you remember the good old days of brawl modding,with all those amazing god tier custom movesets for the roster. Game was peak modding for the franchise even to this day
As a Sonic main in all Smash titles, even modded ones, I agree that Sonic needs move sets like these. But I like to see newer move sets based on the combat from Sonic Frontiers as they now definitely show Sonic can fight his foes rather than just turning into a ball or boosting
That’s what Sonic Battle shows too tho
@@ScapeVEVO yea except sakurai played frontiers and enjoyed it so we’re more likely to get this
@@Morbius-Tension real 🚬
Forget the games, read the comics. Sonic and his friends don't mess around. While I'm not going to bitch about Sonic's moveset (seriously guys, let it go), I do agree that it feels like either Nintendo didn't even try, or they have no real idea about Sonic's background/universe.
Exactly now they can have a really reason to give sonic a good move set
Also good detail to note,in the older versions of SSF2(super smash flash 2) at around 2014 or so,a lot of sonic's moveset changes there were used for almost every PM mod at the time,including the side B dash,the axe kick Fair,etc. Always is amazing to see an entire community come together and mish mash ideas
Axe Kick Fair was actually the other way around.
Sonic had his Brawl/Smash 4/Ult Forward Air before his resprite (so any version before Beta), and then it was changed to be the Axe Kick in the first version of Beta when Sonic was resprited.
They should have kept the 9b down b no cap
@@MedhaosFEH yeah you are right,my memory got messed up because I remember playing a heavily modded version of SSF2 before the beta,where it was a transforming Sonic mod where he happened to get the Axe kick as his forward air
Sonic deserves the moveset that better represents his characater and capabilities. Hopefully with Sonic Frontiers and Sakurai playing the game and seeing it as a "must play" before release. I am hopeful Sonic will get a excellent moveset with next Smash entry. Gone are the days of the stigma where people believed that "Sonic isn't a fighter." that many said for years, which isn't true.
A merging of Sonic Battle, Frontiers and such will be perfect for him.
Sonic in PM/P+ actually FEELS like Sonic and simply awesome. Actually care and love was added to him.
Wait.. people said Sonic isn’t a fighter?..
Um.. have they even looked at half of the Sonic games? Even in the classics, Sonic’s been fighting robots, so..
Sakurai also beat Frontiers btw
But there's a chance Sakurai won't make the next Smash game (which is why he went all out for Ultimate)... Then again, he also did and said the exact same thing for every previous Smash game sooo...
@@lasercraft32 I mean if he doesn't make it then there might be less of a chance for bias
@@rubyrogers8879 True... maybe we'll finally get Bandana Waddle Dee in Smash (I'm joking, of course... Sakurai doesn't directly choose what characters get in)
Honestly Project + Sonic is probably the best moveset for Sonic it’s way more fun and it has references to Sonic’s games, I wish it was official!
With Sonic’s move set in Frontiers, I can’t wait to see what fans do
In Beyond Melee Sonic’s run starts slow but accelerates fast to mimic sonic games, I think this also helps gameplay because he can cover large distances quickly but can’t run away as much in close quarters
I hope that after Frontiers, Sakurai would further adjust his moveset to be more versatile than just "🔵"
friggan love your vids my dude!! editing, music, sound, script, and honest content are all top notch!
EDIT: lack of smash 64 remix sonic is sad tho D: especially since he has unique moves.
Don't worry I could save Smash 64 (remix) Sonic for another video 😉
@@ZachHonest
@@ZachHonest yeah his down air in 64 is hilarious and fitting bahaha
@@ZachHonest We'll be waiting for it
Something that you can do in crusade that you didn’t mention was that sonic can do tricks with the grab button mid air to charge up his boost quicker, something unique to that version of the charater
I’m surprised there hasn’t (at least to my knowledge) been a version of Sonic to have his bounce attack as dair, pogoing off characters like Greninja would be very fitting and stylish.
Smash Flash 2 had it as his airborne Down Special... man, I miss that move a lot.
@@Eldoofus yeah wasn’t it v2? That sonic was flashy
that shit was busted as hell in Sonic Battle was a multi-hit move hitting several times on the way down and back up
There's a Rivals of Aether workshop character that gives him that
And I totally agree with you.
Shout out to Smash Remix for doing as good as PM in terms of fixing his moveset and also having Adventure and Classic inspired costumes plus Super Sonic as a secret character.
You should've mentioned that if you used Sonic's Down B in the air in SSF2 pre-beta it does the bouncing thing from SA2 and it's a spike that's so satisfying to pull out
2:12 sonic’s down smash is also a reference to sonic battle, he does the breakdancing move at the end of his auto combo
This really goes to show not just how underwhelming official smash Sonic can be, but as well as how phenomenal Project M Sonic is.
Pretty much every mod and fan game you talked about took something from PM Sonic.
Here's a personal ranking of Sonic's moveset in mods from best to worst
Smash Remix
Project M
Sonic Duel
HDR
Smash 2
Beyond Melee
Brawl Minus
I see these cool moves and wonder how cool it would have been to see them actually implemented officially. It would end a lot of the undeserved hate Sonic gets in Smash. 😮💨
I don't care how much Sonic sucks at representing himself in Smash, he's still my favorite fighter
Another amazing video man
Really wish you would've highlighted Smash Remix. The Remix Team did him JUSTICE!
imagine if you could change the move set from original and to other ones in the character selection
some fun facts: Not only the forward air but also the PM+ Down smash, that flip kick up-smash/up-tilt, the new jab combo are all from Sonic Battle, and the flash game use his sprite from the game as well. The PM+ side special is the summersault from Adventure 2. And the N-air from beyond melee is one of the air tricks from the Sonic Advance and Rush games.
Really appreciate the Smash Crusade shoutout!
Actually, it was Snake who's the first third party character of Smash Brawl.
Also the N64 mod Smash Remix does a good job of referencing sonic, using Sonic the Fighters to reference more moves like his backthrow.
The best change has to be making Sonic's Boost his Side-B, as someone who is a huge fan of the boost, I can't even begin to describe how happy that made me!
I've never seen this channel or any videos quite like this, but I still enjoyed the video. I want to say that since I don't really have much else to comment on other than the fact that I found it funny that throughout the entire video, you keep saying "X moves came back from Project M" when they didn't, all those moves come from sonic battle. It was especially hilarious when you were talking about them returning in Crusade where sonic is literally just using his sonic battle sprites, which should have made it obvious where those moves originated. Other than that though I thought the video was pretty cool, and it was interesting to learn about the different ways that fans have made changes to and arguably improved Sonic's moveset.
Hope this blows up well! Good content!
IMO Sonic's problems are often overblown. Some people still pretend his every attack is 🔵 when there's only 6 of those moves in Ultimate. The biggest issue is that 3 of those are specials, and I agree he should get a different side special. The rest of the moveset is at least fine, and I don't understand why you'd want to get rid of stuff like the jab combo when it's a good and fitting reference to not only Sonic Fighters but Virtua Fighter as well.
cause the Sonic Battle moves are way more interesting and dare i say...way past cool
I like how they did Sonic moveset in Smash 64 remix my favorite animation is his Down Air and Back Throw.
Smash Remix (a Smash '99 mod) has a playable Sonic, and is loosely based on his P+ and Beyond Melee counterparts. Even Super Sonic is playable, but is a boss-style character like Giga Bowser and the Mad Piano.
Just thought you might wanna look out for a WIP mod by Phazoganon called Smash Bros EXO; he has some great design & balance ideas thus far, like a great revamp for Sonic or turning vanilla Ganondorf into Sen. Armstrong from Metal Gear Rising Revengeance (with Ganondorf maybe getting a moveset closer to canon appearances in future, for those who think he needs a bigger overhaul)
Sonic move set:
Spindash
Spindash
Spindash
Spindash
Spindash
Spindash
Spindash
Spindash
Spindash
Spindash
Spindash
Spindash
Spindash
Spindash
Spindash
Spindash
Spindash
Spindash
Spindash
Beyond Melee Sonic changes Melee's meta completely.
It's crazy how nintendo hasn't changed Sonic much, especially in ultimate
Boost is the #1 thing I've always been baffled never got added to Sonic's moveset, as modern Sonic games are all about the boost mechanic and it is an easy replacement for the side B spin dash. Glad to see that someone went ahead and put it in his moveset.
Since the developer of smbu saw what real sonic brawl moves in Frontiers, Sonic might have new moveset!
In an eventual next smash, we need his moveset from Frontiers
After the success of frontiers Nintendo needs to step up and give sonic some justice
Down Smash from Project M isn't a random breakdance move, it's called Sonic Flare and it's from Sonic Battle
As a play tester for crusade I’m glad you talked about it. The new sonic is a much better character
Muno made an amazing Sonic in rivals
Sonic in Smash 2 has to be one of my favorites!
Honest can do you a video on Snake's modded movesets?
We need a video on SSF2 original characters. Bandana Dee or Sandbag would be awesome
great video. Modders are really creative and passionate. I do not like Ultimate S's changes though. They don't feel like great changes by design.
My mod favorite of Sonic is Project M, because that moveset would have been Sonic, if it hadn't been added at the last moment!
Sonic truly is
Ballin'
Lore of How Sonic Was Saved By Mods in Super Smash Bros momentum 100
Ay random question. How you download
P+? I know it's kind of unrelated to the question but I just really want to play as that sonic so bad
if sakurai actually listin to the fandom he would made sonic not a baller than spins around lol loved the vid!
my man, how do you know about sonic eagle but none of the rest of sonic battle's moves?
one of the very few youtubers ive seen mention beyond melee
can you make a video about Super Smash Brothers Crusade Unique Characters like klonoa,ristar,shantae ya know.
What exactly is Ultimate S?I've never heard of it
good to see crusade and ssf2 get represented
Where's Sonic from Akaneia's Bulld??
What about Smash 64 remix?
Yoo if sonic had a good move set dude you don’t know how much i would play this character. I was really disappointed on how he was represented in smash with no new characters nor stages beside green hill and windy hill. You don’t know how much potential that sonic has and these mods proves that. I grow up with sonic ever since a little kid and seen his move set being one of the most lack luster and uninspired move set in the entire game just really sucks. Idk why Sakurai choose to choose one game and that game was sonic the fighters 🫤 if Nintendo were to have another smash game make sonics move set better.
I think if a new Smash game came out, it's about time we get a new rep like Shadow. They don't have to completely change Sonic, but a least give him the Ganon/Lino treatment and change his more lackluster moves.
Sonic is just blue balls flying across the screen.
Literally just like most Sonic games
As a main Sonic i really love these mods
PM Sonic is perfection 👌🏾also I'm never gonna understand how they took more inspiration from Sonic the Fighters, of all things, instead of the Sonic fighting game EXLCUSIVE to a Nintendo console TO THIS DAY 😂
he’s got cool changes in smash remix aswl
Honestly sonic in mods are very cool shame the development team just slapped hes fast and is a ball and called it a day with so many games they could've changed him a bit
Even smash remix version of sonic is crazy all his aerials are some of the other mods his down air he has yoshi's multi hit dair he has colors that represent the sonic series and he can be classic and super sonic as well
Are these mods still playable? As a Sonic main I have gotta play these if I get a laptop that can play these kinds of things
If there ever is another smash game, sonic really needs most of his moveset changed using moves from Frontiers and Sonic Battle since they already have some from sonic the fighters cause aint no way they had this shit for 3 games straight
I'm gonna be honest- Removing Emerald Dive for Sonic Eagle has always felt wierd to me. I feel like everyone obsesses about it being a Sonic Battle reference while completely ignoring the fact the original was already a reference to Sonic's other fighting game. In fact Emerald Dive was Sonic's main special move in Sonic the Fighters... Maybe future mods could make it a dash attack?
Sonic Eagle is way cooler, plain and simple.
Soo... are we not gonna talk about smash remix? Sonic is in that smash 64 mod
I prefer Project M's version of Sonic since it makes the Sonic Updraft his Up TILT and not his Up Smash.
I don't trust *anyone* who makes it his Up Smash.
Take notes Sakurai!
I’m not even gonna sugarcoat it!
How you give Ultimate Zelda a Multi-jab but not Sonic? Zelda never had a Multi-jab until Ultimate, I’m just shocked Sonic still doesn’t have Multi-jab after seeing it in this video.
uh Crusade and SSF2 exist before Ultimate S, and so does their Sonic moveset....
I prefer Smash 2's Melee sonic over beyond melee's but they're still pretty solid
First just like sonic
*Gotta go fast*
Speedy boi
Fire comment 🔥
The only good first comment
Stupid unlike Sonic you mean!
I'm going to be honest, but at least for me, is very insulting to not have Smash Remix 64 Sonic in the video ngl
is this a reupload?
EDIT: Nvm, i was confused with another video you made
Who the freak was responsible for sonics move sets when he was put in smash
Sonic, Falcon, Mac, Shiek, and Mythra are the fastest characters in the game. Sonics the ONLY one WITHOUT a multi-jab 😂
I’m not like most sonic players, I’m more of a close up person, I don’t like hitting and running, because when you do that it can leave you open unless you have quick thinking
Ayyy I worked on Beyond Melee
We should use modded sonic in tourneys
Sonic need change his moveset next smash bros game
They should have added the heavy or soldier
I like project m moveset but I personally don't like his up tilt
His up tilt is the best but I respect your opinion
The mods did him justice
NOOO THEY CHANGED F-AIR
Yessir
The thing is sakurai hate him that's all.
Ngl, I don’t like the uptilt
>saved from being top 5-10 in every single game he is in
The horrors
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The title of this video couldn't be more irrelevant. Sonic doesn't need this mods. Of course mods are better. But saved? Don't be silly