also I'm pretty sure the concept for these attacks, holding down b for an altered special with the mario bros, was first introduced in an old but great mod called Brawl Minus!
A lot of weird balance decisions in this mod it seems. That’s what’s keeping me away from hdr, the team behind it are good at modding but game balance does not seem to be their forte
@@DoctorDeuce vanilla ultimate is actually pretty impressively balanced barring like Steve (and even then Steve is not as bad as previous top 1 characters). probably one of the more balanced games in the series
@@SpoonGod steve isnt as good as maybe metaknight or bayo, but metaknight was at least cool... but the balance is more than just what characters are good, and 4 and ultimate have a ton of jank... steve is more like if melee ice climbers were the best character
Because HDR is literally basing most of their changes off of PM 3.6 and melee, and most of their changes were not actually beneficial to the character unless they were already a top tier in melee.
I'm hoping you can cover more of these, HDR shotos got massive pm Lucario vibes, pymy got switch cancelling making switching to them and killing off of pyra's moves easier, and dark Samus got that peach float.
I neved understood why mods always remove Mario instead of i don't know, make his 64-Melee Tornado down b his mid air down special, and his grounded down special would be flood, so that the Down Special from 64-Melee and the one from Brawl- Ultimate could be in the same moveset
Nice. Kinda mixed on the idea of slowing down and buffing up Mario's power. On one hand, a stronger Mario is pretty cool and does normalize him as the go-to beginner character. On the other, the modern mobile Mario is also cool and it does help separate him from Doc.
And also what makes it great. Seriously, if we make it slow (He isn't even fast to begin with) we get Dr. Mario, a very bad character who struggles to do anything.
Mario sucks tbh, I've tried him and his combo game is trash in HDR ( this happened to other characters too, like Kirby ), he can't do upair stair combos and can't even kill whit up-b or dair bruh. They hadn't to "balance" Mario in the very first place, to be honest.
Not to nitpick, but you forgot to mention that doc also has his up-b cancel from melee in hdr. It’s a 2 frame input now instead of one frame, still pretty hard to do but god damn does it lead into some cool stuff!!
YOOO DOC CAN RECOVER NOW? I need to play HDR! Context: I main Doc in melee, and even though I love his style in Ultimate, I usually abstain from playing the character in favor of Inkling and Young Link because they're way faster. HDocR looks like a nice blend of Melee, PM and Ult that has everything I find good in the char.
If you like mods that are similar to pm and have a ton of new moves, ultimate s is pretty neat. Mario and doc are both quite different from each other, they haven't gotten to changing luigi yet tho. And yes they have wave dashing.
Just wondering, was it an intentional decision to slow the camera speed down ingame when recording footage, or is this an older build? (Btw there's a typo in the title you missed)
I was more worried about Luigi having basically no air mobility horizontally now. It was bad enough in vanilla which led to him being zoned really hard, now it's even worse!
@@Shmicah1235 If you wavedash into a jump you can get some crazy shit. Using ledge cancels and wavedashing off of ledges so you don't have to go all the way up from your jump takes this character from a bag in the wind to a high speed butter shoes maniac
Mario can't do half of the shit he used to do thanks to the nerf in his mobility, wich sucks even more than it should thanks to the brilliant idea of making the pace of the game faster And also can't even kill whit up-b or dair, so even if you try ( wich in most cases you will not be able to thanks to the way that up air works now ) to do up air stair combos you will get nothing from them, so Mario is exaggeratedly nerfed and whitout even a reason. For sure not "overpowered".
@@Kyselito You're playing regular ultimate in the new engine instead of trying new things. If you try to adapt to your new and much more flexible combo structure instead of 5 up airs in a row you'll have a lot more fun :)
The “brand” moves feel super out of place. Feels like they’re just shoving in a bunch of extra moves rather than actually making the movesets more interesting.
Hey, uh, have you tried a Smash 4 Wii U mod called 4XM? If so, do you have anything to say? Because they added Chrom to the mod as his own character under Lucina's CSS icon.
I feel where you're coming from here, but abolishing copyright law sounds like a bridge too far - rather, it needs reform to be more fair to individual creators & small teams over mega-corporations with armies of lobbyists
@@jaredhebert942 as with most radical ideas, it'd need a transition and other connected systems to adjust respectively. Since copyright is such a huge part of modern society it'd just require a huge overall over a lot of how we see the world unfortunately. But that's not necessarily a reason abolishing copyright is a bad idea.
So you basically kill Mario's combo game, kill Luigi's entire character, and you turn Doc into a piece Pokemon. Yeah no I'm not down with a lot of these changes
You totally missed that luigi's dash grab is still the longer ranged tether grab! Edit: _and_ you missed his wavedash? What the heck dude! That's like, the luigi thing that he do! Edit edit: I did like the vid though :) Edit threeeeeeeeee: you also missed that mario has walljump out of up B and doc can press down back during grounded up special to cancel it before it leaves the ground. Ediiiiiiiiiiiiit fouurrrr: lugi's standing grab was nerfed in range but buffed in startup/endlag to go with his wavedash. He can bob snd weave with his absolutely insane WD so having a faster grab is actually a net buff despite the range.
I'm of the opinion that adding confirms to a move that didn't have it before takes away from the game element of actual game design Using subjective terms like bad or good to describe efficacy undermines the spirit of development. More specifically, what goes into the properties of a move once it is designed If something is effective, more power to it. Is it game oriented though? Fox's shine has always been strong, but just because people have accustomed themselves to it's perfect optimization doesn't make the move what it is. It just so happens to be a decent tool that plays well at high levels. The game element is that it can be used to deflect object collisions and can't do so indefinitely The best example I can think of is honing a skill like a hat trick or a 3 pointer. A person can make the object of their skill to master their efficiency and timing, then be pretty poor coordinating with their teammates. Meaning that as much as they understand one aspect of the sport, they fail to understand that the objective of the game is teamwork All of this to say that for a game that wasn't programmed to give Mario a fireball that kills, adding one because it seems charming confuses the objective of set play. How many times can you do that per character before diminishing returns set in? If people wanted to play that game, they might have fun with custom moves. So without some sort of set up that provides an in for that sort of feature to exist, it really is all style. You could have a window where his flaming hand offers a knock back boost, or upon launch the rate of residual damage has a coefficient. Those sort of mixups seem to agree with the game as designed. Essentially the more wildcard things you add, the more people have to keep track of variable properties How many mods need to exist at one time before people are allowed to say "well that's just not my cup of tea" So then people split into camps or folks that either only play Ultimate or only play Melee. And try to get people to defect just so that they have someone to play against
God, I still can't get used to that slow knockback speed in this mod. lol I know I know, trust me I get why they did it. I still don't agree it was a good call.
@@MrGameguyC The reason it is a better gameplay decision is because it allows you to have a combo game that is less skewed toward early percents. That's because the way knockback works mathematically in Ultimate is logarithmic rather than linear. Combined with more movement options and a much stronger DI, it creates a more freeform combo game. That's the philosophy behind it, at least.
I wish it wasn't so damn ugly. The camera annoys me and the knockback looks so incredibly lame. Ultimate is the nicest-looking Smash game but HDR took that away from it.
I don't understand how that makes the game uglier? The models, textures, and effects are still Ultimate, its just using the knockback that every other smash game uses
Luigi's b hold is actually called Thunderhand. These moves, Firebrand and Thunderhand, are from superstar saga!
also I'm pretty sure the concept for these attacks, holding down b for an altered special with the mario bros, was first introduced in an old but great mod called Brawl Minus!
That's the name of the attacks from the series but HDR listed them with brand instead of hand in the patch notes
I'm sure those moves actually took inspiration from Melee before being implemented in Mario&Luigi. Still wondering why it never came back.
@@alexv0714ndeed. Secretly the best Brawl mod. It's actually still going!
So..Luigi, who has the 2nd worst air speed in the game had it nerfed? That's a really weird thing to do
A lot of weird balance decisions in this mod it seems. That’s what’s keeping me away from hdr, the team behind it are good at modding but game balance does not seem to be their forte
@@SpoonGod it is completely impossible to balance 100 characters, just look at regular ultimate
@@DoctorDeuce vanilla ultimate is actually pretty impressively balanced barring like Steve (and even then Steve is not as bad as previous top 1 characters). probably one of the more balanced games in the series
@@SpoonGod steve isnt as good as maybe metaknight or bayo, but metaknight was at least cool... but the balance is more than just what characters are good, and 4 and ultimate have a ton of jank... steve is more like if melee ice climbers were the best character
Because HDR is literally basing most of their changes off of PM 3.6 and melee, and most of their changes were not actually beneficial to the character unless they were already a top tier in melee.
I'm hoping you can cover more of these, HDR shotos got massive pm Lucario vibes, pymy got switch cancelling making switching to them and killing off of pyra's moves easier, and dark Samus got that peach float.
iirc Dark Samus got that /Mewtwo/ float
Dsamus got an omni float and manual down special. Oh and slow charge shot and wack missiles and new aerials and a new down smash an-
as a mario main in every smash games, flud is the best thing happened to mario, its super useful, specially against sword characters.
I neved understood why mods always remove Mario instead of i don't know, make his 64-Melee Tornado down b his mid air down special, and his grounded down special would be flood, so that the Down Special from 64-Melee and the one from Brawl- Ultimate could be in the same moveset
i was in your stream finding out your main in hdr, and i was so hyped for doc buffs, i cant wait to download this mod!
I’d like to see more HDR videos, I’ve never played the mod so learning about the characters in depth is pretty cool.
Play it! It's so fun.
I love these overviews of modded characters! Please keep it up! I'd love to see all the changes!
Please do more HDR videos, almost nobody goes into depth the way that you do!
Nice.
Kinda mixed on the idea of slowing down and buffing up Mario's power.
On one hand, a stronger Mario is pretty cool and does normalize him as the go-to beginner character.
On the other, the modern mobile Mario is also cool and it does help separate him from Doc.
And also what makes it great. Seriously, if we make it slow (He isn't even fast to begin with) we get Dr. Mario, a very bad character who struggles to do anything.
Mario sucks tbh, I've tried him and his combo game is trash in HDR ( this happened to other characters too, like Kirby ), he can't do upair stair combos and can't even kill whit up-b or dair bruh.
They hadn't to "balance" Mario in the very first place, to be honest.
glad your making HDR videos, great as always
More to come! HDR is a nice mod.
Vanilla Ultimate is cool, but HDR is a billion times better
I don't like that og Mario became a slower weaker Version of doctor Mario
Thank you so much for being one of the only people on TH-cam to make HDR Content keep up the excellent videos
I would love if you covered some of these moveset changes, as well as Ultimate S moveset changes. This is great work already, I will stay tuned!
thank you so much for making a vid about HDR we love the publicity! ❤❤
They also brought back the up b wall jumps Mario has in melee and the same with the doctor Mario up b cancel on ground.
Not to nitpick, but you forgot to mention that doc also has his up-b cancel from melee in hdr. It’s a 2 frame input now instead of one frame, still pretty hard to do but god damn does it lead into some cool stuff!!
We want to see more HDR
I generally like the idea of luigi having thunder attacks because it kinna
Fits him and he literally has a nickname called the green thunder
The moment u have been waiting for, doesn’t show Luigi wavedash
Dr Mario is a Mishima AND a shoto.
Im so glad they finally gave luigi his thunder attacks
Doc in hdr can up b cancel. Feels easier too
HDR explanations on Honest Content? Radical
i try to keep the content honest, you know.
Ngl i feel like if they put geno in official smash they would make him an annoying zoner like they did to banjo.
YOOO DOC CAN RECOVER NOW? I need to play HDR!
Context: I main Doc in melee, and even though I love his style in Ultimate, I usually abstain from playing the character in favor of Inkling and Young Link because they're way faster.
HDocR looks like a nice blend of Melee, PM and Ult that has everything I find good in the char.
They shoulda just gave doc all ice effects on his attacks and kept electricity on luigi
If you like mods that are similar to pm and have a ton of new moves, ultimate s is pretty neat. Mario and doc are both quite different from each other, they haven't gotten to changing luigi yet tho. And yes they have wave dashing.
Love this video! ❤
HDR and Ult S are really good to check out!
Maybe once custom characters become a thing (like Project M opened the floodgates for Brawl), maybe then i'll use a Switch Emulator for this
Just wondering, was it an intentional decision to slow the camera speed down ingame when recording footage, or is this an older build? (Btw there's a typo in the title you missed)
I slowed it down in adobe premiere.
Well Mario’s Down B isn’t flood no more it’s the Galaxy spin
OMFG THIS IS SICK DO MORE HDR PLS
This Mod Reminds Me Of Project +
Mario and Luigi are probably going to get pretty large balance reworks over time so don't worry about them being overpowered
I was more worried about Luigi having basically no air mobility horizontally now. It was bad enough in vanilla which led to him being zoned really hard, now it's even worse!
@@Shmicah1235 If you wavedash into a jump you can get some crazy shit. Using ledge cancels and wavedashing off of ledges so you don't have to go all the way up from your jump takes this character from a bag in the wind to a high speed butter shoes maniac
Mario can't do half of the shit he used to do thanks to the nerf in his mobility, wich sucks even more than it should thanks to the brilliant idea of making the pace of the game faster
And also can't even kill whit up-b or dair, so even if you try ( wich in most cases you will not be able to thanks to the way that up air works now ) to do up air stair combos you will get nothing from them, so Mario is exaggeratedly nerfed and whitout even a reason. For sure not "overpowered".
@@Kyselito You're playing regular ultimate in the new engine instead of trying new things. If you try to adapt to your new and much more flexible combo structure instead of 5 up airs in a row you'll have a lot more fun :)
@RiahGreen the airspeed is important though. Having low airspeed and one recovery basically screws Mario's already mediocre recovery
nice video! hopefully this becomes a series like how X character changed in PM
Mario's Red Fire,
Luigi's Green Thunder,
And Dr. Mario's Blue Ice
Mario: Fire!
Luigi: Thunder!
Dr. Mario: Ice!
YOOO HDR content now? hype
Fire, Thunder, and Ice? Just wait for Dante to know about the new king cerberus
Doc also has the up b cancels from melee (up b and press back on frame 3 or 4
I'll be interested in seeing more character changes in HDR in the future
Did you know: Doc Mario's Nair is stronger on the late hit.
6:10 How to acces that changelog?
I will not stand for this Fludd slander
Best sit down because its gone now
@@Matanumi I know but I still will not stand for the fludd slander
6:56 He probably mutated with the Pikachu
The “brand” moves feel super out of place. Feels like they’re just shoving in a bunch of extra moves rather than actually making the movesets more interesting.
Can someone help me get HDR I have tried many times but it just doesn’t work so please help
Luigi Doc Mario
the italian flag color
LOL floods gone now. Its the star spin from galaxy. Adds to the combo Style of maroo
Wheres the wavedashes?
is luigi wavedash broken?
I was able to do Up-b cancel but unsure how I did it lol was hoping you'd cover it but good vid either way. HDR is goated
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and now i want ultimate for hdr thanks honest
Hey, uh, have you tried a Smash 4 Wii U mod called 4XM? If so, do you have anything to say? Because they added Chrom to the mod as his own character under Lucina's CSS icon.
Oh and it's like Project M is to Brawl as HDR is to Ultimate.
It´s ´´their´´ moveset not ´´they´re´´
mario the master of fire and dr mario is master of elétric
Do a video on the other big ultimate mod: Ultimate S
The real question: does Luigi have his wave dash back?
fuck yea he does.
Bowser looks so much better in this mod!
Mods and Open source creative commons content is the FUTURE #AbolishCopyrightLaw
I think you'd love to check out Hewdraw Remix that's a brilliant mod.
I feel where you're coming from here, but abolishing copyright law sounds like a bridge too far - rather, it needs reform to be more fair to individual creators & small teams over mega-corporations with armies of lobbyists
@@jaredhebert942 that bridge is the creative commons I mentioned.
@@jaredhebert942 as with most radical ideas, it'd need a transition and other connected systems to adjust respectively. Since copyright is such a huge part of modern society it'd just require a huge overall over a lot of how we see the world unfortunately. But that's not necessarily a reason abolishing copyright is a bad idea.
@@jaredhebert942 you can't fix a fundamentally broken system
So you basically kill Mario's combo game, kill Luigi's entire character, and you turn Doc into a piece Pokemon. Yeah no I'm not down with a lot of these changes
You totally missed that luigi's dash grab is still the longer ranged tether grab!
Edit: _and_ you missed his wavedash? What the heck dude! That's like, the luigi thing that he do!
Edit edit: I did like the vid though :)
Edit threeeeeeeeee: you also missed that mario has walljump out of up B and doc can press down back during grounded up special to cancel it before it leaves the ground.
Ediiiiiiiiiiiiit fouurrrr: lugi's standing grab was nerfed in range but buffed in startup/endlag to go with his wavedash. He can bob snd weave with his absolutely insane WD so having a faster grab is actually a net buff despite the range.
I want to see Villager’s moveset and alts so bad.
Man I wish I could mod my switch so that I could get this 😢
MORE HDR CONTENT PLEEEEASE
This mod has ledge hogging?
yup
Doc is meaty Mario
why they make mario ironman with that neutral B?????
Great vid, but I cannot allow the plant hate.
HDR is the Project M for Ultimate!
And yeah, Piranha Plant sucks as a fighter.
If only they can add more characters like Project M
we need Knuckles back
@@goGothitaLOL well… it’s not HDR but someone is adding knuckles in
I'm of the opinion that adding confirms to a move that didn't have it before takes away from the game element of actual game design
Using subjective terms like bad or good to describe efficacy undermines the spirit of development. More specifically, what goes into the properties of a move once it is designed
If something is effective, more power to it. Is it game oriented though? Fox's shine has always been strong, but just because people have accustomed themselves to it's perfect optimization doesn't make the move what it is. It just so happens to be a decent tool that plays well at high levels. The game element is that it can be used to deflect object collisions and can't do so indefinitely
The best example I can think of is honing a skill like a hat trick or a 3 pointer. A person can make the object of their skill to master their efficiency and timing, then be pretty poor coordinating with their teammates. Meaning that as much as they understand one aspect of the sport, they fail to understand that the objective of the game is teamwork
All of this to say that for a game that wasn't programmed to give Mario a fireball that kills, adding one because it seems charming confuses the objective of set play. How many times can you do that per character before diminishing returns set in?
If people wanted to play that game, they might have fun with custom moves. So without some sort of set up that provides an in for that sort of feature to exist, it really is all style. You could have a window where his flaming hand offers a knock back boost, or upon launch the rate of residual damage has a coefficient. Those sort of mixups seem to agree with the game as designed. Essentially the more wildcard things you add, the more people have to keep track of variable properties
How many mods need to exist at one time before people are allowed to say "well that's just not my cup of tea" So then people split into camps or folks that either only play Ultimate or only play Melee. And try to get people to defect just so that they have someone to play against
God, I still can't get used to that slow knockback speed in this mod. lol
I know I know, trust me I get why they did it.
I still don't agree it was a good call.
It's the natural decision if one values gameplay over aesthetic. But I understand missing vanilla Ult knockback, since final spark was really cool
@@tastyfalcon1788 Can't even agree it was the better gameplay decision TBH.
@@MrGameguyC The reason it is a better gameplay decision is because it allows you to have a combo game that is less skewed toward early percents. That's because the way knockback works mathematically in Ultimate is logarithmic rather than linear. Combined with more movement options and a much stronger DI, it creates a more freeform combo game.
That's the philosophy behind it, at least.
Smash 64 moment
Mario already has enough in vanilla, why are they buffing himmmmm
Doc mains rejoice
How are we supposed to enjoy this patched smash when the only way is buy an older unpatched switch console??? :(
Or modchip your current one
More hdr please
0:10 BASED
Also jesus Mario looks so slow
Why stop at Plant? Get rid of that pest AND corrin!
doc nation stay winning
Basing it off PM 3.6 isnt a good idea.
More P+ then 3.6
yesssss hdr is my shit
More hdr please 🥺👉👈
I wish it wasn't so damn ugly. The camera annoys me and the knockback looks so incredibly lame. Ultimate is the nicest-looking Smash game but HDR took that away from it.
I don't understand how that makes the game uglier? The models, textures, and effects are still Ultimate, its just using the knockback that every other smash game uses
Do more thanks
literally
Bro when people click "Mario bros in HDR" no one wants to listen to an introduction to what HDR is - literally everyone that clicked this knows.
Why would you give me this garbage screw hdr
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