As a car enthusiast who is getting up in years, I appreciate that Mark and Jack accompany us along the way. While I still have interest in the cars I used to drive before marriage and children, it’s videos like this - The Honda Pilot - that speaks to the family man I’ve become. I know videos like this are not easy to make, not the kind of car that gets the blood flowing. But your mature approach to the practicality/livability of this vehicle is not lost on this (slightly older) viewer, and it’s very clear that you didn’t treat this review as a lesser-than vehicle. While the kid in me will always yearn for the sports cars of my youth, the father who stands in his place today must make decisions beyond himself, such as his family. So continued thanks for content that speaks to us all, your work and your dedication is greatly appreciated!
I see comments like yours and they encourage my perspective not to have kids so I can afford good cars. I don't want to give up on my childhood dream cars because I have to carry around kids and all their crap. Thank you
It’s funny, I’ve actually struggled with this a bit, because in a car nut. Especially imports. Hondas, Toyotas, Mitsubishis from the 90s, etc. I owned a 3000GT alongside all my daily drivers, and you know what? I eventually realized I straight up wanted to sell it. So I did, three years ago. I kind of miss HAVING a toy, like I sold a part of my personality or something, but I haven’t missed the car itself, and you know why? It had a glass transmission. It was big on the outside but tiny on the inside. Anyone over about 14 years old couldn’t really fit in the back comfortably. One of our dogs passed and we started bringing the other just about everywhere with us (easier with one dog than two). I put 300 miles on that Mitsubishi one year because I was working from home and the only time I could realistically drive it was alone. I was sad when we sold the Odyssey, even though it went to a family member. That car was 9 years of memories. And I love the Pilot we have now. The coolest car is the one you can enjoy with the people you love.
Hi George, you must not be that old. I’m 70, so I have no worry about a car interior holding up to grimy hands. (Though I do miss those days when my kids were kids! They’re both in their 40’s now. Time flies!)
@@chrisandersen9713 Great points, Chris. My days as a young dad are long past (I’m 70), but we had a lot of great memories when the kids were young in our ‘93 Dodge Grand Caravan. Including camping in it one night because it was pouring rain into our tent! My youngest son, who is now 41, still teases me because the Caravan had the “Gold Package” which was a thin gold stripe and gold painted wheels. (Sweet, huh?) Every time I buy a car now, he asks, “Are you gonna get the coveted Gold Package?!?” (I don’t know how he got to be such a wiseass. Must be from his mom’s side of the family! 😂)
@@OldRustySteele my parents had a 93 Voyager until I was a junior in high school! Short wheelbase, base model with the 3.0 Mitsubishi V6 yet somehow also the 4-speed overdrive transmission (a combination I can no longer find any record of existing, but I distinctly remember asking my dad what the overdrive button meant!)
I've got a Ridgeline and I agree. This was one of the big selling points for me. Small screen, physical buttons, and no LTE connectivity. I'm worried that in the next gen they'll ruin all that.
1:40 Lots of storage 3:10 Small/dated infotainment 5:10 Very basic, no contrast 6:00 Buttery V6, hesitating 10 speed, abysmal MPG 9:00 Very nimble 11:20 Good value
I installed an "Ide-Stopper" on my Honda It electronically reverses the function of the idle stop pushbutton. easily mounts under the console and works flawlessly I have used it for a year on my Honda Passport It uses factory connectors, so you can take it out easily and transfer it to another Honda product. about $99 on amazon
@@MeltingRubberZ28 I don’t see one for 2023+ Pilot. Only up to 2022. Hence my request for a link to the actual product page. Unless someone here has used one of the other versions for their 2023+ Pilot (if so, which one?)
'23 Elite with over 20K miles. I wanted the red paint, but ended up going with a different color to get the gray interior for the contrast since I have to look at the interior more than the exterior. I've only ever owned one vehicle with an all black interior, and realized I prefer lighter, or at least mixed, interiors. It's a Honda - I expect it to do a lot of things well without a fuss, even if it is not the best at any one thing.
Great review. My wife and I test drove the new 2024 Pilot Elite and compared it to the 2024 MDX SHAWD Tech and while I love the features and utility of the Pilot, the MDX felt more refined and athletic. We ended up with the MDX for her and have not regretted that decision. I still love the new Pilot and may consider it for myself in a year or two. The Pilot packs so many features and convenience for the money. So impressed with what Honda did here. Keep up the great work and thanks.
We have a 24 MDX Advance, having traded up from our old 22 Tech. (With the 25 set to debut but not available yet, we were able to get the Advance for $7k off sticker.) As our oldest daughter has a 22 Pilot EX-L (last generation) which I've driven, we really did consider going Pilot Elite over the MDX. However, I'm still partial to the sportier handling of the MDX. Both are great; just a matter of preference.
Once our old car died in May, we test drove the Pilot, CX90, Highlander, a CPO '22 RX350, and a CPO '21 GX460. All within $5k or so of each other. I wanted to like the Pilot the most, but it was loud, slow, and jerky. Did like the storage and roomy interior. Felt minivan-esque. Terrible dealership experience however, sleazy salesman tried to jack up the price of the Pilot almost $10k and then lied about available incentives. Wound up choosing the GX460. Super quiet interior, best fit and finish by far. Better at just about everything honestly. Competitive price and Lexus dealership experience. Get about 17 mpg is the worst "downside". Very happy we went the way we did.
Absymal fuel economy does seem like a fair downside, no quotes needed. If one is cool enough to not care about fuel economy, how much do they really need to care about moderate variations on purchase price?
what did you end up getting? I was in a similar predicament and got a 22 GX.. I like it but it also feels like a dinosaur in some ways and didnt get the best value for my money, especially considering the fuel economy.
Good choice. Yes the economy isn't great, especially when you factor in premium fuel. It's just a 15 year old Landcruiser Prado, there's nothing unexpected.
Don't think about the mpg. The GX460 (at least the previous generation) is extremely reliable so you will save much more from avoiding mechanics than you will lose from lower mpg
Thanks for a very practical perspective. A friend just picked up one of these, and I was impressed by the quality of materials and level of style inside for a non-luxury nameplate. Together with the high-quality running gear, it gave an overall impression of quality that I personally can't feel with the Korean competition.
I have a 24 Trailsport and this video is spot-on. The transmission tuning IS annoying at times (esp when it’s cold) but overall it’s a great vehicle. If they would update the transmission software it would be perfect.
@@losinfinite I have a 2025 TS, love it. Handles great, the V6 likes and needs to rev to get and move but I find it very enjoyable to drive. It's a refuge inside and I've done some off roading that was pretty impressive for what it is.
@MC-qg5nu I am coming from a Volvo xc90. Test drove the TS. My family loved the interior. They didn't notice a difference in the ride but I could tell the get off wasn't as powerful. Reminded me of a Highlander I had like a decade ago. The infotainment seems small but other than that as a people mover and weekend errand car it seems pretty good. I live the NE so snow and trail driving isn't uncommon
@@losinfinite I own both a 24 Trailsport and a 2016 Pilot Touring and I really love the Trailsport. I've had it just over a year now, and it's been great. It has more room, the adaptive cruise and sound system is miles better than the 16. Carplay is solid, unlike my 2023 Ford Edge work vehicle. Also, I have a very steep gravel driveway and it handles it much better than the 16, especially in the snow. I'll agree with the video and scooby's comment that the transmission is a bit jerky. Mine got a little better around 5K miles but not by much. It's a little harsh off the line and when you put the pedal down to pass someone on the interstate. Still though, I love the Trailsport and would highly recommend it.
What a great video... When folks dicuss cars or ask "what car should I buy?" I send them to this. So accurate and rich in detail that I feel as though I've lived with it. Brief, to the point, thank you for this. A reference video. Well Done.
Love my 2024 Touring. Super versatile - gave up some interior space coming from an Odyssey, but in return I can have a much nicer bike rack (heavier) without squatting and scraping, and use a cargo rack for extra storage the 2 or 3 days a year I need it. And I get one of the best AWD systems out there. Also, I’ve seen as high as 27mpg on pure long-haul highway driving. Quickly dropped to like a 25mpg average for that trip when I hit some traffic, but still honestly not MUCH worse than my old Odyssey, and around town it’s actually doing better than the Odyssey did.
@ compared to a hybrid Grand Highlander or Sienna, absolutely, but compared to a bunch of its other competitors (Telluride, Ascent, Palisade, non-hybrid GH) it’s right in the same ballpark. I wish it got better MPG, but I also wasn’t a fan of the GH or Sienna interiors, and the GH reviews say it doesn’t ride nearly as well as the Pilot. Plus I’m very comfortable with the Honda J35 engine, as long as you maintain it I’d say it’s one of the best engines I’ve ever owned (the other being anything K-series)
Fuel mileage? In my 24 Pilot Elite, at 10K in 8 months, I have averaged 24.1 MPG. (I did not reset trip B until 10K) All milage has been pump verified. Most of my driving is city other than a 3k mile trip from Denver to Minnesota and back. I live in the Denver area, which tends to show lower MPG. The first two tanks were pretty disappointing. I struggled to get to 20 MPG. It did improve each tank. The third tank shortly after first oil change showed over 20 and finally leveled off in the 23 to 24 MPG range. I am hoping the next 10K will even be better! I do drive pretty conservatively, but decent milage is possible. Also, at 11K, there have been no issues and no maintenance costs other than changing over to snow tires and back to all seasons. I have done two oil and filter changes, all covered by Honda. One at 1k and one at 6K. The third one will be next week. Honda pushes back on early oil changes, but I tell them if Honda won't cover the cost, I will, and so far, they have agreed to cover the cost. I will see if that continues for the second year of the two years of free maintenance program? I agree with Mark on his assessment other than my transmission shifts smoothed out around 5k. I still agree that first gear is quite low and shifts to second very quickly and throttle position affects the shift quality. I wonder if software could solve this occasional annoyance? I would love to see a mild hybrid attached to the new V6 for more power and milage but if it sacrifices reliability or residual value I can live with the current setup.
We sold our Sienna and bought a Pilot this summer since we were moving to the mountains. It’s been fantastic! It’s my wife’s car and she gets compliments everywhere she goes in how nice the trail sport blue color looks. I’d love more power but very few complaints.
I’m staying in N Dakota now. The winters are one of the worst in the contiguous USA. These Honda Pilots. 2nd generation. ARE EVERYWHERE. That says everything I need to know.
IVTM-4 AWD in Honda's is fantastic in poor weather. Also does a strong job in twisties and off-roading. Wish other manufacturers had the same instead of slip based reactive FWD based AWD systems.
That longevity is awesome but you do get spoiled by that turbo torque and rarely needing to ever downshift. NA v6 definitely the better option if you plan on having it for the long haul.
This looks like the perfect car for me to drive the kids around while my wife is having fun with her boyfriend. And I can even haul his Aston Martin's wheels while I'm a it.
I’ve had my Pilot Elite for over a year. Agree with everything said in the video. My car was unfortunately plagued with quality control issues. - replaced electronic steering assembly due to vibrations in the steering wheel - replaced most of the front suspension (there was a clacking noise coming from front left) it took the dealership a lot of time to find the right component to stop the noise - and most recently had rear seat buckle assembly replaced ( otherwise it would continuously warn and beep). The car has under 8k miles. Im getting 18 mpg in mixed driving.
An Elite with the brown leather will probably be my next car. Just bought a used 2021 Passport, this is the next step up. In regard to the stop-start annoyance, one benefit of Honda’s push button gear selector is that you can put it into drive and push the stop-start disable button simultaneously with your thumb and index finger. Ive made a habit of just doing that every time I go for a drive. It’s actually way less annoying to do this than having a separate button some random location on the dash like in many cars.
Thanks for the updated review. My decision to get this vehicle hasn't changed in over a year. I will hopefully be getting it before Christmas. 2025 Pilot Elite Platinum White Pearl exterior with Brown interior.
The wife has a 24 Pathfinder. Basically the same car I feel that can be had for less money (maybe at the expense of resale). Proven V6 power, ZF 9 speed auto, relatively simple interior and controls, very usable interior space. It drives anonymously, which in this segment is just fine.
nissan is pretty dog shit generally but the Pathfinder is on their truck platform where they're strangely reliable, like the frontier (and on the same platform) they tend to match or beat the competition on value. everything car based from nissan is trash though, dont waste your money, i learned the hard way myself
Honda’s 10AT is better than the ZF9 though, in fact Honda used to equip their big vehicles with ZF9s. That said, the interior and exterior are generally equals between the two, and the Nissan does have a more proven engine since it’s been on the pathfinder for years with barely any changes. That said, table can turn soon since the Pathfinder could switch to 2.0VCT any year now.
I have a 2024 elite and your discreption of the transmission is spot on. The dealer said its normal operation. The braking is very soft indeed. 19 MPG for me. It is easy to drive. Very comfy in cruise for a long trip!
Got our 2024 Pilot Elite in Oct 2023. Just now crossing 20k miles (includes a 7k mile roadtrip in September through 20 states). Has been great for all the reasons mentioned in this vid. Given where we live and our use cases, I wanted something roomy and reliable with a great AWD system, without spending true luxury SUV money. We previously had 2 MDXes for the same reasons. Haven't had any issues yet; have done 2 oil & filter changes (for free by Honda). Level road trip mileage has been around 27 MPG (we live over 4000' elevation, impacting mileage slightly). Mileage on our road trip on the long 80 MPH limit sections was 25-26. Long-term overall total mileage has been almost 23. I can easily live with that. Love the roominess and storage; stellar road trip vehicle. We easily fit our 9' Xmas tree last year. Even was able to fit the huge box that my new snowblower came in. The Bridgestone Alenza tires are indeed fine for highway driving, and obviously targeted toward noise reduction. I spend a lot of time in places with sharp rocky roads, and am considering switching to 18" all-terrain tires for my non-winter use. The Alenzas don't tolerate that use well. Also got a set of Blizzaks on 18" wheels for winter use. Have loved the MDX/Pilot AWD system for snow & ice, which is a constant in my life from December thru early May (have already had 3 snowy days in October). I've never noticed the transmission behaviors that some mention. Maybe I'm just lucky, but if such "issues" are there, they are extremely, extremely minor. Things I'd change if I could: 1) I'd want the steering feel to be a bit heavier. As is, it's likely great for the suburban mom crowd. Especially in strong crosswinds, I notice the buffeting easily. 2) The adaptive cruise control is far too aggressive in how it lets you catch up quickly to someone and then WHAM it cuts off the speed. My wife's Audi is much more graceful. 3) The cruise speed control is too strict in terms of not allowing a little bit of speed "float" on downhills. I have to remember to turn it off when going downhill, lest everyone around me think I'm some weird asshole who keeps slamming on the brakes for no apparent reason. 4) I could use at least another inch of ground clearance, both for rocks and snow. Yes, I could have gotten a Trailsport, but didn't want the orange striping on the interior, and didn't want 2nd row captain's chairs) Barring any issues, I'm expecting to keep this one for a long time. The plan is for it to be the not outrageously expensive, reliable, capable, roomy all-purpose utility vehicle in the stable, while other cars come and go for other use cases.
@@babelnow Our MDXes were 2008 and 2012, so not really equivalent to the current models. The 2024 Pilot is obviously more technology-rich. AWD system seems about the same. The Pilot is quieter (the Honda family's weak point has always been noise, in my opinion). The Pilot shape (closer to a pure "box") allows for carrying of more/bigger things. MDX had a bit heftier steering, which I preferred. Very similar beyond that.
Just some feedback. I’ve noticed in a lot of your videos lately the music is quite loud on the initial driving impression part. First, it’s corny music. Second, it would be nice to actually hear the car on that first pull. And lastly, it would be good to hear the ambient noise level during the rest of the driving part, although at least the music is lower then. Thanks.
Too bad about the jump transmission. I was hoping that Honda fixed these issues. I had a 2016 MDX that I got rid of and part of it was because of the transmission. From a dead stop or even a rolling start, the transmission would hunt and there were times where it was so unsmooth it felt like someone rear ended you at a low speed.
Black Edition with the red stitching and red accent lighting is nice, gives a little more pop in the interior. Start/stop can be disabled with an add-on module, I agree wish it was something we could set. We love the Pilot, so functional for family hauling and camping trips. Hope to run er for 15-20 years!
I have a 23 Elite and I love it. Best road trip car ever. Super comfy, easy to drive and just an excellent car. The only think the irks me is when I’m stopping it shifts right before I stop and it’s always jerky. It drives me absolutely nuts. 18 months and 15k miles and I’m not used to that. It’s less noticeable in Econ mode but in our hot summers I have it in normal most of the time.
I picked up a 2025 EX-L and I have to say the transmission being herky jerky in the lower gears (how could Honda consider this is normal) is really annoying and even seems to shudder in the mid range if you let off the gas then back on. I have some weird vibration/flapping around 40mph and I have door seam sealant/paint defects (working through Honda Corp on it after dealer has gone MIA). THAT said, the interior is amazing for storage, comfort, and usability (love physical hvac controls). The exterior looks amazing to me as well. I'm coming from an early 2000s Explorer and this feels like a modern interpretation of that with decent ride quality and modern comforts. I hope to get the other issues resolved so I can enjoy this vehicle for many years to come.
Glad you guys have had a good experience with your Pilot. My sister bought a '24 Pilot Trailsport around the same time I bought my Accord. We love the N.A. V6 and the interior is so very practical. It's obvious Honda gave this generation Pilot more R&D and T.L.C. than Accord. Another great review from Savage Geese!
I purchased the 2025 EXL in Blue Pearl with the light gray interior with the removable rear center seat. Plenty of storage, hauls all my kids sports gear, house stuff, Costco runs, and my stinky military gear. Super quiet, drives and rides more like a car, and we didn’t need anything large like a Tahoe which won’t fit on my short driveway. Start stop is annoying but can be disabled via a button or other methods, gas mileage is not stellar, don’t like the piano black in high touch areas, and the transmission doesn’t seem as refined as others. Barely hitting 5k miles so I’m curious about longevity. Looking forward to reading your experiences.
I have a 2006 CTS-V, 6sp with an LSA supercharger on top. But it's my 2025 Honda Pilot Trailsport that keeps me grounded and gives me the security to know life will go on. It does everything well and nothing about it annoys me. Sure, it could use more power in a perfect world but it's perfectly adequate. I'm in my early 40s with wife, 3 kids, dog. I still have fun with the obnoxious Cadillac, but life would be too risky without my Pilot. As a bonus I love driving it as well.
Just wanted to say that I took some time away from car videos on YT, but SavageGeese popped up in my mind and I decided to catch up with you. So awesome to see your continued content and growth!
If you want a big 3 row with 'good' fuel economy, the diesel Tahoe or Suburban are probably the only good options. Grand Highlander, too, but only the iForce Max trim.
0:44 -- You nailed it. The unassuming and lack of stigmas is definitely beneficial in places where your entire self is unfortunately judged by the car you drive. At some angles it looks like the last gen Acadia without being a GM pile
I’ve had my 2025 Pilot Elite for 3 months now. I concur with your comments and would add that this vehicle is long. 10 inches longer than my old 2012 Pilot. That makes parking a bit more challenging. Had to rearrange the garage to make room for this beauty. FYI, I’m getting 22 mpg. I must have a lighter foot!
2004 Pilot. 212,000 miles in mostly city driving and the starter was the only 'major' component that needed to be replaced at about 210,000. Waiting to see the reviews on the upcoming Passport as I don't need a third row. Otherwise I'll most likely get a new Pilot after the new year. Very insightful review. Thank you.
I love the update for this. I was looking for a new vehicle and your videos helped me decide on the pilot. Also from the Chicago land area and having an AWD is a must
I bought a 2025 Honda Pilot Elite 3 weeks ago and have really enjoyed it over that time and the last 1200 miles or so. Mark and Jack’s original reviews were quite influential in steering me towards buying this. I don’t know if Honda has updated the software since Mark’s car, but two things I disagree with from this review relate to the transmission smoothness and start/stop. I have found the transmission to be silky smooth at all times with none of the jerkiness referred to. Also the start/stop system is very unobtrusive and I have no problem leaving it on (unlike just about every other vehicle I have owned). I have owned a number of higher end luxury cars (eg. BMW 650ix, Range Rover TD6, Porsche Panamera 4S…..I still own the Porsche) so my standards for comparison are quite high and I still find the Honda extremely smooth with regard to transmission and the start/stop. I will note that on one of the Honda Pilot Elites that I test drove there was one time a pretty strange transmission hiccup when pulling away, so I can imagine what Mark means, but I have had none of these issues on my own vehicle.
my family had an 07 pilot and I learned to drive on that thing, I genuinely had many years of nightmares where I would be pressing the brake as hard as I could in a dream and this car wouldn't stop. Crazy to hear that this is still the case
Bought a new '25 Pilot Elite. Have had it just over a month and so far so good! We didn't even consider any other brand of model since we've been driving a Pilot since 2014, and Acura before that. Both were very reliable but the Pilot is more bang for the buck. Since we take long driving trips from the inland northwest to coastal S. Caroling to visit one of our kids' we wanted a new car. While we don't use the 3rd row very often, the extra space it provides is very versatile and can accommodate lots of stuff. We prefer the standard V-6 over turbo's and hybrids because repairs on those can get expensive.
We bought a Honda Pilot Touring a few months back. We were concerned with the monochromatic look of the interior so opted for the dark blue that comes with the grey interior. A much nicer look in our opinion. Also, we don’t find the same jerkiness issue with the start-stop that you found. We had a Subaru Outback that really shuttered every time the engine shut off and when it restarted. With our Pilot I sometimes have to look at the tachometer to determine if the engine actually shut off. And the restart is not annoying at all. We recently traveled to Yuma for the winter from our home in Washington. My wife had the car packed to the gills. I could barely see out the back. Yet we averaged 26 mpg during this 1600 mile trek.
Thanks for the measured review. I have always appreciated the team’s thoroughness with all cars. We’re looking at the Pilot vs. Grand Highlander and are leaning GH because of the rear AC vents and slightly more space. I was wondering if you all (or any other commenters) noticed issues with the effectiveness of the rear AC vents during the warmer months in the Pilot given that they are not in the roof?
Great video and right on. This is a great vehicle. Not a speed demon. The transmission does have hesitation but it is reliable. Hate the start stop and lack of transmission lever. Really a perfect vehicle for intended assignment.
I actually have this car but sport and I will say I do drive in normal in the city, but if I want to catch up with traffic on highway, I switch it to sport, and it works perfectly.
The Pilot was on the short list to replace my wife’s Mazda CX-9. We were initially drawn to it for the Honda reliability and the NA V6. However, as Mark mentions, the Pilot’s interior feels a generation or two behind some of the competition. At $55K for an Elite trim, we couldn’t get over it. The Telluride, for instance, is a much nicer cabin. Ended up leasing a KIA EV9 since we wanted to go electric this time around. No regrets so far.
I have the 9-gear Ridgeline with the same engine and this is gonna sound funny but I use the paddle shifters to downshift when I need it to react quicker. It works.
This feels like a return to form of the original concept of the pilot - 3 row hauler SUV with some decent offroading capability. The VTM-4 lock was surprisingly good. Glad they kept with the J35 at least for one more gen, it's an excellent engine if a little inefficient.
As a 22 MDX A-Spec owner, I am a bit jealous of the extra storage bits in the front. The only issue with our transmission is from a stop, if you suddenly need to go, it’s default is 2nd gear and there is an alarming delay if you go full throttle off the line. The auto stop is horrendous and it does suck that you have to remember to turn is off every time. Sport mode also turns it off and then it also starts off in 1st gear. Assume this is the same with the Pilot.
In my experience the Pilot always starts in first gear unless you are in snow mode. Sport mode does prevent the start stop function. Also if you apply less pressure on the brake peddle right before you come to a stop this also prevents the stop start function. This also works with the brake hold function. Though according to Tribologists in real world engine oil analysis. It was found when using the stop start function, the oil actually had less fuel dilution. Obviously it might be more irritating and harder on your starter motor but it may actually be better for your engine in the long term.
Test drove Pilot when it just came out in 2023. Some pros and cons, I was looking at Elite trim due to ventilated seats option, but ~55k isnt cheap. Instead I bought mint 21 CX-9 GT with 7k for 35k. 20k is a lot money even if Pilot will have a better resale value after 5-6 years and a slightly better overall vehicle.
My 2019 Honda Passport's transmission has the same hesitation when going from a stop. Changing the transmission fluid and resetting the transmission control module helped
The pilot outside looks like a slightly smaller Durango, which is both a testimonial to the 14 year old suv, being a design worth taking inspiration from over a decade later, and them making a cuv not look like a mommobile despite having more in common with a minivan than a pickup truck, unlike the Durango.
I have a 25 Pilot. I have owned dozens of vehicles, and this is the first one where everything just feels like it is in the right place -- from driver controls to getting the kid in and out. I was going to buy the Odessey, but my wife said this was cooler. Maybe next time I get the VAN!
Test drove 6 midsize 3rd SUVs, really wanted to like the Pilot. The transmission shift jerk and hunting just drove me bonkers. We drove 2 just to make sure it wasnt just that single car. Everything else Mark got spot on, good looks, useful boring interior, and fairly good NVH.
I wonder if the transmission hesitation you’re feeling is related to the cylinder deactivation system. My old 2011 Odyssey developed a really bad hesitancy and stutter that appeared as a transmission issue. Once I installed a cylinder deactivation defeat device, it fixed it all.
Can confirm the trans annoyance… it’s the biggest con for both my wife and me after about 14,000 miles in our 2023. Feels like there is a giant rubber band between the flywheel and driveshaft…
My sister has same issues with 9 speed transmission issues. Reverse to drive is brutal and 1-2 shifts very rough sometimes. Dealerships can't find an issue though they're aware of known reverse issue.
Keep physical controls and add a bigger screen please. 9in screen is absurdly small and honestly kinda hard to use and display all the info you need for yourself and passangers. Also the V6 is an amazing engine when new but id hate to keep it long term. Still used a belt which means you are dropping 1-2K at 100K miles anyways. That elimates any of the reliability benefits youd get with a V6 over a turbo 4. Rather have a turbo 4 for that reason alone. Plus turbo 4 will work les shard because all the torque down low whereas you gotta rev this V6 out more (which i like but most dont)
@masterwhopper414 I suppose but I haven't heard of any widespread issues in competitors with turbo 4s. If Honda added a timing chain and fixed their trans it would be the powertrain to have aside from a hybrid. Honestly I'd rather have a Telluride/Palisade V6 or my favorite which is the Traverse V6.
If you stay away from the dealerships and have a trustworthy mechanic, the job should cost you less than 1K. I have seen around $700. Most people don't keep their vehicles past 10 years, or 100K, but if you are one of the people that do then over the belt life, even $1,000 works out to less than $100 a year or about $8 a month. Also, many mechanics will advise you to change your timming chain around the 200k mark. Which for many engines is the total engine life expectancy. I have a 06 Odyssey with about 200k. I just did the second timming belt, and the engine still passes emissions standards with flying colors and uses less than a quart of oil between oil changes. She still has most of her pep as well. Also, there are no transmission issues either. The only non maintenance thing wrong was axle boots, one wheel bearing, and sliding door problems. This was my bad. I didn't realize the sliding doors needed maintenance.
@@life36899 Post-covid era runs $1k for an Aisin timing belt kit which contains the tensioner and idler pulley (a must do since if these break due to age then your belt rips) as well as changing the water pump with a fresh coolant flush, and a serpentine belt change. This is getting it done from a reputable independent shop; at a dealership increase this by about 50%.
small observations: H increased the "knee splay" space available for rear outboard passengers by deleting extraneous protrusions from the area on the top of the door card closest to the b-pillar. THANKS HONDA!! -this is important when talll people sit in the back. I wish the rear bumper was a step bumper, kind of need it (in addition to the rear wheels) for roof access.
I recognize those Barrington roads :) another great review. The brake by wire syatem in the honda/acura suvs are way too soft and dont do well with repeated hard stops. It only gets worse if youre rolling on winter threads.
Thank you so much for the video. I've been torn between this and the Toyota grand highlander. Its a tough choice honestly and it comes down to preference as you guys have said in your other comparison video. BUT (lol), any thoughts that might sway me one way over another? 3 kids in carseats, daily driver, dont tow if it helps. Thank you!
Nice review! I am a bit shocked at the 20mpg. My 21 Odyssey (without the AWD system) gets about 24mpg mixed driving. In my recent all highway trip of 300 miles, I actually got 29+ mpg!
@@petertrout7866. I don’t follow, I have nothing to gain other than to share my experience with a similarly sized Honda with the same V6 engine and 10 speed transmission
Hey, i want to say Thank you to your channel for providing such detailed analysis of the cars. I have been following your channel from last year and it had really helped me to improve my knowledge. I have a question for you. Comparing Honda Pilot with Acura Mdx, i know Mdx is more towards luxury segment, and it costs approximately 20k more compared to Honda. Is it worth spending that extra money for getting that luxury or should more focus be given to usability!? And comparing these 2 suvs only, what about the post ownership Maintainance expenses, do we have to shell out more money in case of mdx vs pilot in things like serving and repair work ?
The hesitation as described @ 7:30 is real. I own the 2023 model and it's enough "lag" where it sometimes feels unsafe when pulling out into busy traffic. It feels like it cuts the power then there's instant torque. It's also what people are describing in the piloteers forums (go check out the forum if you're considering a pilot). I'm seriously considering a pedal tune that changes the throttle response. Waiting for Pedal Monster to release one for the pilot! Aside from that, I know it's no MDX Type-S but seriously Honda you need to fix the throttle response. Otherwise it's a great family hauler and excellent on road trips especially when you use the lane keep assist.
also the reason I bought this car was because of their in-depth video here: th-cam.com/video/nJffmiJy-IM/w-d-xo.html Safety is a top concern as I have 2 small kids and the amount of engineering put into this to futureproof against heavier EV cars beat out the competition like the Palisade/Telluride and Highlander. See 10:57 from that video
I have a 23 Highlander and now a 25 cx70. The cx70 I don't regret at all, it's an amazing vehicle for what it is, but I wish I got this over the Highlander. Toyota quality has taken a huge downturn and I don't see anywhere near the amount of issues with these Pilots that I've had with my Toyota - roof leaks, half a dozen recalls, transmission and engine tuning issues, rattles/sqeaks. The only downside of this was the mileage and the power, which at 20mpg is pretty awful being the highlander and the 70 get 30+ highway and 20-23 for the highlander city, 22-25 with the 70.
If reliability is important to you good luck with the CX70. Goose did a review on this showing the complexity of the drivetrain, difficulty to service and expected poor reliability. Toyota hasn't done well with their TNGA-F vehicles (reliability, price, packaging, fuel economy) but the new highlander should be fine. New model Toyota's don't but first 2 years if worried about reliability. All manufacturers have what seem like a lot of recalls these days. Would you rather own a Ford or Hyandai? 😬🤢
@@James-il3tq The 'new' highlander is most certainly not fine. I've had that thing back more times than every other vehicle I've owned combined outside a Chevy. CX70 isn't going to be that bad to own being a ton of people are doing the exact same thing they're doing - mild hybrid with the small electric motor sandwitched between the engine and transmission. The whole 'speculation' of how it will be too is nothing other than hearsay. Especially when 'BuY a ToyOtA iT wIlL lAsT fOrEvEr', and yet tens of thousands of them need transmissions, all the 3.4's they need to replace, the issues the taco has and so on so forth. Everything is junk, so if it's gonna be junk regardless, best to find something you like and just face the problems when it happens eventually, rather than based on perception and the past, because clearly that means nothing anymore
I really wanted the Grand Highlander hybrid but the price with the nicer interior options was way too high for what it was (65-70K CDN), and the wait to actually get the GH hybrid was ridiculous (6+ months). If I was going to get a GH it had to be a hybrid. We we're coming from a '13 Ody so we got a bump in fuel economy and now have AWD - in our northern climate its really nice to have. 21.6 mpg (10.9L/100) for our 17,000kms so far.
We have a 2WD EX-L. We love the functional interior and overall in a straight line its a very comfortable ride. However its very floaty boaty. I know I know what do you expect. But it just seems to have way more body roll then others in the segment. Overall great car, but it just seems they could deal with the body roll a bit better.
The fuel economy is the biggest disappointment with this new generation Pilot. Our box on wheels 2009 averages 20 mpg, it's just crazy to think that with 15 years of technological improvements that's it's no better in that department.
Honda is decent but the major issue is VCM all their 6 Cyl models are plagued by their VCM Cylinder Deactivation system, I won't go near a car which has that. I was in the market for an SUV for everything as in Utilitarian, I checked out KIA Telluride SX Prestige X-Line, Mazda CX50, CX90, RAV 4 Limited, BMW X4 and 4Runner. There's no contest in the reliability with 4Runner 1GR-FE, the 4x4 feature set is bulletproof. Steering feedback is superb as well. Mazda cars were absolute trash esp the CX50, CX90 was decent but the interior did not feel like 72K SUV, BMW X4 was the most responsive and good. RAV4 had poor steering feedback like Mazda, Telluride was decent and interior quality was superb. But the damn QC issues and the engine failures, not for me also Telluride has flex discs like German cars, the rubber will rot out eventually plus weak LCA on the rear side.
Call me old school, but I'd rather have the N/A V6 than a turbocharged 2 or 2.5L 4 pot putting over 300 hp. I have a Dodge van with the Pentastar V6, so, DOHC and VVT and 283 hp. I'm not burning up the road, but it'll haul everything I need and make a decent sound when you floor it. And it has a nice smooth power delivery. the 6 spd is 'meh', but the engine is great. Again, overstressed small displacement engines don't strike me as a recipe for reliability and longevity, but I'd like to be proven wrong.
Test drove a 2025 Pilot Elite and noticed the engine noise is pretty bad. It sounded harsh, not smooth V6 I expected and it was about the same for 2024 MDX. - compared to 2014 MDX we owned for 5 years. Is this normal??
I test drove a Pilot and engine noise under anything more than light throttle was too intrusive. I later read that there is simulated engine noise added, and - if that's true - it's ironic they'd would direct engineering effort and cost to add what was a deal-killing issue for me.
As a car enthusiast who is getting up in years, I appreciate that Mark and Jack accompany us along the way. While I still have interest in the cars I used to drive before marriage and children, it’s videos like this - The Honda Pilot - that speaks to the family man I’ve become. I know videos like this are not easy to make, not the kind of car that gets the blood flowing. But your mature approach to the practicality/livability of this vehicle is not lost on this (slightly older) viewer, and it’s very clear that you didn’t treat this review as a lesser-than vehicle. While the kid in me will always yearn for the sports cars of my youth, the father who stands in his place today must make decisions beyond himself, such as his family. So continued thanks for content that speaks to us all, your work and your dedication is greatly appreciated!
Agreed. As much as I’d love one of the Porsche or BMW products these guys review, I am actually in the market for this kind of car.
Amen! Respect 🫡
Agreed, although what's happen on my end is I got wings so now cars are interesting but not as thrilling.
Bless
I see comments like yours and they encourage my perspective not to have kids so I can afford good cars. I don't want to give up on my childhood dream cars because I have to carry around kids and all their crap. Thank you
I know I’m getting old because the convenience of the storage space and ability to hold up to grimy hands is suddenly exciting.
Yup enjoy these more than sports car videos
It’s funny, I’ve actually struggled with this a bit, because in a car nut. Especially imports. Hondas, Toyotas, Mitsubishis from the 90s, etc. I owned a 3000GT alongside all my daily drivers, and you know what? I eventually realized I straight up wanted to sell it. So I did, three years ago. I kind of miss HAVING a toy, like I sold a part of my personality or something, but I haven’t missed the car itself, and you know why?
It had a glass transmission. It was big on the outside but tiny on the inside. Anyone over about 14 years old couldn’t really fit in the back comfortably. One of our dogs passed and we started bringing the other just about everywhere with us (easier with one dog than two). I put 300 miles on that Mitsubishi one year because I was working from home and the only time I could realistically drive it was alone.
I was sad when we sold the Odyssey, even though it went to a family member. That car was 9 years of memories. And I love the Pilot we have now.
The coolest car is the one you can enjoy with the people you love.
Hi George, you must not be that old. I’m 70, so I have no worry about a car interior holding up to grimy hands. (Though I do miss those days when my kids were kids! They’re both in their 40’s now. Time flies!)
@@chrisandersen9713 Great points, Chris. My days as a young dad are long past (I’m 70), but we had a lot of great memories when the kids were young in our ‘93 Dodge Grand Caravan. Including camping in it one night because it was pouring rain into our tent!
My youngest son, who is now 41, still teases me because the Caravan had the “Gold Package” which was a thin gold stripe and gold painted wheels. (Sweet, huh?) Every time I buy a car now, he asks, “Are you gonna get the coveted Gold Package?!?” (I don’t know how he got to be such a wiseass. Must be from his mom’s side of the family! 😂)
@@OldRustySteele my parents had a 93 Voyager until I was a junior in high school! Short wheelbase, base model with the 3.0 Mitsubishi V6 yet somehow also the 4-speed overdrive transmission (a combination I can no longer find any record of existing, but I distinctly remember asking my dad what the overdrive button meant!)
"... Just stylish enough, without being douchey." That's pretty much what I look for, lol. Nailed it.
Pretty much describes what I want said at my funeral, right there.
Love these long term reviews of common sense vehicles.
I love that it has a smaller sized screen and actual physical hvac controls
@@Almighty_cornholio Same - begone with giant garbage touchscreens and bring on the physical controls.
We have a 24 and love that part of using it everyday
I've got a Ridgeline and I agree. This was one of the big selling points for me. Small screen, physical buttons, and no LTE connectivity. I'm worried that in the next gen they'll ruin all that.
+1. One of the biggest tiebreaking points these have.... the other being no turbocharged engine.
1:40 Lots of storage
3:10 Small/dated infotainment
5:10 Very basic, no contrast
6:00 Buttery V6, hesitating 10 speed, abysmal MPG
9:00 Very nimble
11:20 Good value
I installed an "Ide-Stopper" on my Honda
It electronically reverses the function of the idle stop pushbutton. easily mounts under the console and works flawlessly
I have used it for a year on my Honda Passport
It uses factory connectors, so you can take it out easily and transfer it to another Honda product. about $99 on amazon
Link to the idle stopper?
@@rpiianlikely the idlestopper. I think it's the V2
@@MeltingRubberZ28 I don’t see one for 2023+ Pilot. Only up to 2022. Hence my request for a link to the actual product page. Unless someone here has used one of the other versions for their 2023+ Pilot (if so, which one?)
@rpiian I'll see if I can post one but the links almost always get deleted when I try
@@rpiian so YT deleted the link. Check out the idle stopper website. Says they work for 16-25 Pilots.
'23 Elite with over 20K miles. I wanted the red paint, but ended up going with a different color to get the gray interior for the contrast since I have to look at the interior more than the exterior. I've only ever owned one vehicle with an all black interior, and realized I prefer lighter, or at least mixed, interiors. It's a Honda - I expect it to do a lot of things well without a fuss, even if it is not the best at any one thing.
Great review. My wife and I test drove the new 2024 Pilot Elite and compared it to the 2024 MDX SHAWD Tech and while I love the features and utility of the Pilot, the MDX felt more refined and athletic. We ended up with the MDX for her and have not regretted that decision. I still love the new Pilot and may consider it for myself in a year or two. The Pilot packs so many features and convenience for the money. So impressed with what Honda did here. Keep up the great work and thanks.
you didn't get the new 2025 MDX?
@@gosman949 - Bought the vehicle in early March. 2025 MDX not even on the radar at that time.
I would have preferred MDX but it's so small inside compared to pilot even with same wheelbase and somewhat same exterior dimensions.
We looked at the MDX first but the wife wasn’t fond of the interior and went Pilot instead. Saved me thousands so I’m not complaining too much.
We have a 24 MDX Advance, having traded up from our old 22 Tech. (With the 25 set to debut but not available yet, we were able to get the Advance for $7k off sticker.)
As our oldest daughter has a 22 Pilot EX-L (last generation) which I've driven, we really did consider going Pilot Elite over the MDX. However, I'm still partial to the sportier handling of the MDX. Both are great; just a matter of preference.
Once our old car died in May, we test drove the Pilot, CX90, Highlander, a CPO '22 RX350, and a CPO '21 GX460. All within $5k or so of each other.
I wanted to like the Pilot the most, but it was loud, slow, and jerky. Did like the storage and roomy interior. Felt minivan-esque. Terrible dealership experience however, sleazy salesman tried to jack up the price of the Pilot almost $10k and then lied about available incentives.
Wound up choosing the GX460. Super quiet interior, best fit and finish by far. Better at just about everything honestly. Competitive price and Lexus dealership experience. Get about 17 mpg is the worst "downside". Very happy we went the way we did.
Absymal fuel economy does seem like a fair downside, no quotes needed. If one is cool enough to not care about fuel economy, how much do they really need to care about moderate variations on purchase price?
what did you end up getting? I was in a similar predicament and got a 22 GX.. I like it but it also feels like a dinosaur in some ways and didnt get the best value for my money, especially considering the fuel economy.
Good choice. Yes the economy isn't great, especially when you factor in premium fuel. It's just a 15 year old Landcruiser Prado, there's nothing unexpected.
Good choice
Don't think about the mpg. The GX460 (at least the previous generation) is extremely reliable so you will save much more from avoiding mechanics than you will lose from lower mpg
Thanks for a very practical perspective. A friend just picked up one of these, and I was impressed by the quality of materials and level of style inside for a non-luxury nameplate. Together with the high-quality running gear, it gave an overall impression of quality that I personally can't feel with the Korean competition.
I have a 24 Trailsport and this video is spot-on. The transmission tuning IS annoying at times (esp when it’s cold) but overall it’s a great vehicle. If they would update the transmission software it would be perfect.
i literally may get a Trailsport this week. do you recommend it?
Got my 2025 Trailsport about 2 months ago. Absolutely do it. @@losinfinite
@@losinfinite I have a 2025 TS, love it. Handles great, the V6 likes and needs to rev to get and move but I find it very enjoyable to drive. It's a refuge inside and I've done some off roading that was pretty impressive for what it is.
@MC-qg5nu I am coming from a Volvo xc90. Test drove the TS. My family loved the interior. They didn't notice a difference in the ride but I could tell the get off wasn't as powerful. Reminded me of a Highlander I had like a decade ago. The infotainment seems small but other than that as a people mover and weekend errand car it seems pretty good. I live the NE so snow and trail driving isn't uncommon
@@losinfinite I own both a 24 Trailsport and a 2016 Pilot Touring and I really love the Trailsport. I've had it just over a year now, and it's been great. It has more room, the adaptive cruise and sound system is miles better than the 16. Carplay is solid, unlike my 2023 Ford Edge work vehicle. Also, I have a very steep gravel driveway and it handles it much better than the 16, especially in the snow. I'll agree with the video and scooby's comment that the transmission is a bit jerky. Mine got a little better around 5K miles but not by much. It's a little harsh off the line and when you put the pedal down to pass someone on the interstate. Still though, I love the Trailsport and would highly recommend it.
What a great video...
When folks dicuss cars or ask "what car should I buy?" I send them to this. So accurate and rich in detail that I feel as though I've lived with it.
Brief, to the point, thank you for this. A reference video.
Well Done.
Had a 2005 Pilot. It literally had a cassette player stock. Drove it for 15 years while raising a family. It was a fantastic partner. I miss it.
Arguably one of the most honest vehicle videos I've watched--great job!
Love my 2024 Touring. Super versatile - gave up some interior space coming from an Odyssey, but in return I can have a much nicer bike rack (heavier) without squatting and scraping, and use a cargo rack for extra storage the 2 or 3 days a year I need it. And I get one of the best AWD systems out there.
Also, I’ve seen as high as 27mpg on pure long-haul highway driving. Quickly dropped to like a 25mpg average for that trip when I hit some traffic, but still honestly not MUCH worse than my old Odyssey, and around town it’s actually doing better than the Odyssey did.
it’s terrible
@ compared to a hybrid Grand Highlander or Sienna, absolutely, but compared to a bunch of its other competitors (Telluride, Ascent, Palisade, non-hybrid GH) it’s right in the same ballpark. I wish it got better MPG, but I also wasn’t a fan of the GH or Sienna interiors, and the GH reviews say it doesn’t ride nearly as well as the Pilot. Plus I’m very comfortable with the Honda J35 engine, as long as you maintain it I’d say it’s one of the best engines I’ve ever owned (the other being anything K-series)
I love these real ownership videos. Loved it with the XC90. Loved it with the X7. Loved it with the Pilot.
Fuel mileage? In my 24 Pilot Elite, at 10K in 8 months, I have averaged 24.1 MPG. (I did not reset trip B until 10K) All milage has been pump verified. Most of my driving is city other than a 3k mile trip from Denver to Minnesota and back. I live in the Denver area, which tends to show lower MPG. The first two tanks were pretty disappointing. I struggled to get to 20 MPG. It did improve each tank. The third tank shortly after first oil change showed over 20 and finally leveled off in the 23 to 24 MPG range. I am hoping the next 10K will even be better! I do drive pretty conservatively, but decent milage is possible. Also, at 11K, there have been no issues and no maintenance costs other than changing over to snow tires and back to all seasons. I have done two oil and filter changes, all covered by Honda. One at 1k and one at 6K. The third one will be next week. Honda pushes back on early oil changes, but I tell them if Honda won't cover the cost, I will, and so far, they have agreed to cover the cost. I will see if that continues for the second year of the two years of free maintenance program? I agree with Mark on his assessment other than my transmission shifts smoothed out around 5k. I still agree that first gear is quite low and shifts to second very quickly and throttle position affects the shift quality. I wonder if software could solve this occasional annoyance? I would love to see a mild hybrid attached to the new V6 for more power and milage but if it sacrifices reliability or residual value I can live with the current setup.
We sold our Sienna and bought a Pilot this summer since we were moving to the mountains. It’s been fantastic! It’s my wife’s car and she gets compliments everywhere she goes in how nice the trail sport blue color looks.
I’d love more power but very few complaints.
The comments on the jerky transmission and soft brakes are spot on. These are my biggest gripes of the 24 Pilot. Wish Honda can make improvements.
I’m staying in N Dakota now. The winters are one of the worst in the contiguous USA. These Honda Pilots. 2nd generation. ARE EVERYWHERE. That says everything I need to know.
IVTM-4 AWD in Honda's is fantastic in poor weather. Also does a strong job in twisties and off-roading. Wish other manufacturers had the same instead of slip based reactive FWD based AWD systems.
@ Curious how Honda 4wd does vs Acura SH AWD?
@@mrdave777 Honda has various AWD systems, if you are comparing this pilot AWD to MDX SHAWD, there are basically the same.
I have a 09 Pilot and with 226k miles NY winters included
The AWD is amazing, I would drive past everyone wondering why they're going so slow.
@@mrdave777 the current i-vtm reacts a little slower vs the current sh-awd but other than that they're the same
We love our ‘23 Elite. Frickin rocks for a 3 kid family (+dog).
That NA V6 is a blessing. J35Y1 on my car, and it has 385,000 kms (240,000 miles) and not a single problem.
In what vehicle? And fuel economy?
@@petewick8627 Accord coupé 2013. 7 to 8.5 l/100kms
That longevity is awesome but you do get spoiled by that turbo torque and rarely needing to ever downshift. NA v6 definitely the better option if you plan on having it for the long haul.
This is not the same engine. Same output and cylinders, but not the same engine. You have the better engine.
@@tockero4277 Don't they have J35Y1 too?
This looks like the perfect car for me to drive the kids around while my wife is having fun with her boyfriend. And I can even haul his Aston Martin's wheels while I'm a it.
I’ve had my Pilot Elite for over a year. Agree with everything said in the video. My car was unfortunately plagued with quality control issues.
- replaced electronic steering assembly due to vibrations in the steering wheel
- replaced most of the front suspension (there was a clacking noise coming from front left) it took the dealership a lot of time to find the right component to stop the noise
- and most recently had rear seat buckle assembly replaced ( otherwise it would continuously warn and beep).
The car has under 8k miles. Im getting 18 mpg in mixed driving.
An Elite with the brown leather will probably be my next car. Just bought a used 2021 Passport, this is the next step up.
In regard to the stop-start annoyance, one benefit of Honda’s push button gear selector is that you can put it into drive and push the stop-start disable button simultaneously with your thumb and index finger. Ive made a habit of just doing that every time I go for a drive. It’s actually way less annoying to do this than having a separate button some random location on the dash like in many cars.
Another simple video that proves Mark is the best, simply the best
Thanks for the updated review.
My decision to get this vehicle hasn't changed in over a year.
I will hopefully be getting it before Christmas. 2025 Pilot Elite Platinum White Pearl exterior with Brown interior.
I am picking up a white brown interior Elite tomorrow. Test drove it transmission felt very refined very precise. So will see how it goes.....
The wife has a 24 Pathfinder. Basically the same car I feel that can be had for less money (maybe at the expense of resale). Proven V6 power, ZF 9 speed auto, relatively simple interior and controls, very usable interior space. It drives anonymously, which in this segment is just fine.
Passport
nissan is pretty dog shit generally but the Pathfinder is on their truck platform where they're strangely reliable, like the frontier (and on the same platform) they tend to match or beat the competition on value.
everything car based from nissan is trash though, dont waste your money, i learned the hard way myself
The interior on the pathfinder is better as well. Only the third row is small.
Honda’s 10AT is better than the ZF9 though, in fact Honda used to equip their big vehicles with ZF9s. That said, the interior and exterior are generally equals between the two, and the Nissan does have a more proven engine since it’s been on the pathfinder for years with barely any changes. That said, table can turn soon since the Pathfinder could switch to 2.0VCT any year now.
I have a 2024 elite and your discreption of the transmission is spot on. The dealer said its normal operation. The braking is very soft indeed. 19 MPG for me. It is easy to drive. Very comfy in cruise for a long trip!
For 3 row affordable SUV Chevy Traverse review coming up?
I have owned a few of these Honda V-6 motors. Super reliable and great dailies. Spot on about the gas mileage. But very easy to live with.
Got our 2024 Pilot Elite in Oct 2023. Just now crossing 20k miles (includes a 7k mile roadtrip in September through 20 states). Has been great for all the reasons mentioned in this vid. Given where we live and our use cases, I wanted something roomy and reliable with a great AWD system, without spending true luxury SUV money. We previously had 2 MDXes for the same reasons. Haven't had any issues yet; have done 2 oil & filter changes (for free by Honda). Level road trip mileage has been around 27 MPG (we live over 4000' elevation, impacting mileage slightly). Mileage on our road trip on the long 80 MPH limit sections was 25-26. Long-term overall total mileage has been almost 23. I can easily live with that.
Love the roominess and storage; stellar road trip vehicle. We easily fit our 9' Xmas tree last year. Even was able to fit the huge box that my new snowblower came in.
The Bridgestone Alenza tires are indeed fine for highway driving, and obviously targeted toward noise reduction. I spend a lot of time in places with sharp rocky roads, and am considering switching to 18" all-terrain tires for my non-winter use. The Alenzas don't tolerate that use well. Also got a set of Blizzaks on 18" wheels for winter use. Have loved the MDX/Pilot AWD system for snow & ice, which is a constant in my life from December thru early May (have already had 3 snowy days in October).
I've never noticed the transmission behaviors that some mention. Maybe I'm just lucky, but if such "issues" are there, they are extremely, extremely minor.
Things I'd change if I could: 1) I'd want the steering feel to be a bit heavier. As is, it's likely great for the suburban mom crowd. Especially in strong crosswinds, I notice the buffeting easily. 2) The adaptive cruise control is far too aggressive in how it lets you catch up quickly to someone and then WHAM it cuts off the speed. My wife's Audi is much more graceful. 3) The cruise speed control is too strict in terms of not allowing a little bit of speed "float" on downhills. I have to remember to turn it off when going downhill, lest everyone around me think I'm some weird asshole who keeps slamming on the brakes for no apparent reason. 4) I could use at least another inch of ground clearance, both for rocks and snow. Yes, I could have gotten a Trailsport, but didn't want the orange striping on the interior, and didn't want 2nd row captain's chairs)
Barring any issues, I'm expecting to keep this one for a long time. The plan is for it to be the not outrageously expensive, reliable, capable, roomy all-purpose utility vehicle in the stable, while other cars come and go for other use cases.
How does it compare to your old MDX?
@@babelnow Our MDXes were 2008 and 2012, so not really equivalent to the current models. The 2024 Pilot is obviously more technology-rich. AWD system seems about the same. The Pilot is quieter (the Honda family's weak point has always been noise, in my opinion). The Pilot shape (closer to a pure "box") allows for carrying of more/bigger things. MDX had a bit heftier steering, which I preferred. Very similar beyond that.
Just some feedback. I’ve noticed in a lot of your videos lately the music is quite loud on the initial driving impression part. First, it’s corny music. Second, it would be nice to actually hear the car on that first pull. And lastly, it would be good to hear the ambient noise level during the rest of the driving part, although at least the music is lower then.
Thanks.
Too bad about the jump transmission. I was hoping that Honda fixed these issues. I had a 2016 MDX that I got rid of and part of it was because of the transmission. From a dead stop or even a rolling start, the transmission would hunt and there were times where it was so unsmooth it felt like someone rear ended you at a low speed.
We have a 23 Odyssey with the same transmission and it is very smooth.
Black Edition with the red stitching and red accent lighting is nice, gives a little more pop in the interior. Start/stop can be disabled with an add-on module, I agree wish it was something we could set. We love the Pilot, so functional for family hauling and camping trips. Hope to run er for 15-20 years!
I have a 23 Elite and I love it. Best road trip car ever. Super comfy, easy to drive and just an excellent car. The only think the irks me is when I’m stopping it shifts right before I stop and it’s always jerky. It drives me absolutely nuts. 18 months and 15k miles and I’m not used to that. It’s less noticeable in Econ mode but in our hot summers I have it in normal most of the time.
I have a 2024 and my transmission is the same. Maybe they’ll come out with a software update to smooth it out like they did on the 9sp.
I picked up a 2025 EX-L and I have to say the transmission being herky jerky in the lower gears (how could Honda consider this is normal) is really annoying and even seems to shudder in the mid range if you let off the gas then back on. I have some weird vibration/flapping around 40mph and I have door seam sealant/paint defects (working through Honda Corp on it after dealer has gone MIA).
THAT said, the interior is amazing for storage, comfort, and usability (love physical hvac controls). The exterior looks amazing to me as well. I'm coming from an early 2000s Explorer and this feels like a modern interpretation of that with decent ride quality and modern comforts. I hope to get the other issues resolved so I can enjoy this vehicle for many years to come.
One huge Pro is definitely that naturally aspirated V6 engine. My dream car after only one test drive
Glad you guys have had a good experience with your Pilot. My sister bought a '24 Pilot Trailsport around the same time I bought my Accord. We love the N.A. V6 and the interior is so very practical. It's obvious Honda gave this generation Pilot more R&D and T.L.C. than Accord. Another great review from Savage Geese!
I purchased the 2025 EXL in Blue Pearl with the light gray interior with the removable rear center seat. Plenty of storage, hauls all my kids sports gear, house stuff, Costco runs, and my stinky military gear. Super quiet, drives and rides more like a car, and we didn’t need anything large like a Tahoe which won’t fit on my short driveway. Start stop is annoying but can be disabled via a button or other methods, gas mileage is not stellar, don’t like the piano black in high touch areas, and the transmission doesn’t seem as refined as others. Barely hitting 5k miles so I’m curious about longevity. Looking forward to reading your experiences.
I have a 2006 CTS-V, 6sp with an LSA supercharger on top. But it's my 2025 Honda Pilot Trailsport that keeps me grounded and gives me the security to know life will go on. It does everything well and nothing about it annoys me. Sure, it could use more power in a perfect world but it's perfectly adequate. I'm in my early 40s with wife, 3 kids, dog. I still have fun with the obnoxious Cadillac, but life would be too risky without my Pilot. As a bonus I love driving it as well.
Just wanted to say that I took some time away from car videos on YT, but SavageGeese popped up in my mind and I decided to catch up with you. So awesome to see your continued content and growth!
If you want a big 3 row with 'good' fuel economy, the diesel Tahoe or Suburban are probably the only good options. Grand Highlander, too, but only the iForce Max trim.
0:44 -- You nailed it. The unassuming and lack of stigmas is definitely beneficial in places where your entire self is unfortunately judged by the car you drive.
At some angles it looks like the last gen Acadia without being a GM pile
I’ve had my 2025 Pilot Elite for 3 months now. I concur with your comments and would add that this vehicle is long. 10 inches longer than my old 2012 Pilot. That makes parking a bit more challenging. Had to rearrange the garage to make room for this beauty. FYI, I’m getting 22 mpg. I must have a lighter foot!
2004 Pilot. 212,000 miles in mostly city driving and the starter was the only 'major' component that needed to be replaced at about 210,000. Waiting to see the reviews on the upcoming Passport as I don't need a third row. Otherwise I'll most likely get a new Pilot after the new year. Very insightful review. Thank you.
bought a 24 trailsport for my wife as our family vehicle and we love everything about it
I love the update for this. I was looking for a new vehicle and your videos helped me decide on the pilot. Also from the Chicago land area and having an AWD is a must
I bought a 2025 Honda Pilot Elite 3 weeks ago and have really enjoyed it over that time and the last 1200 miles or so. Mark and Jack’s original reviews were quite influential in steering me towards buying this. I don’t know if Honda has updated the software since Mark’s car, but two things I disagree with from this review relate to the transmission smoothness and start/stop. I have found the transmission to be silky smooth at all times with none of the jerkiness referred to. Also the start/stop system is very unobtrusive and I have no problem leaving it on (unlike just about every other vehicle I have owned). I have owned a number of higher end luxury cars (eg. BMW 650ix, Range Rover TD6, Porsche Panamera 4S…..I still own the Porsche) so my standards for comparison are quite high and I still find the Honda extremely smooth with regard to transmission and the start/stop. I will note that on one of the Honda Pilot Elites that I test drove there was one time a pretty strange transmission hiccup when pulling away, so I can imagine what Mark means, but I have had none of these issues on my own vehicle.
my family had an 07 pilot and I learned to drive on that thing, I genuinely had many years of nightmares where I would be pressing the brake as hard as I could in a dream and this car wouldn't stop. Crazy to hear that this is still the case
A real v6 engine, great transmission, comfortable, great performance and quality Honda construction - what more could you ask for?
Better gas mileage.
Have 24’ TS Pilot 7k…..your points are right on and agree 100%., Would I buy again…..YES. Excellent honest review.
Probably the only car youtbers that can get me excited to watch a video on a Honda SUV.
Bought a new '25 Pilot Elite. Have had it just over a month and so far so good! We didn't even consider any other brand of model since we've been driving a Pilot since 2014, and Acura before that. Both were very reliable but the Pilot is more bang for the buck. Since we take long driving trips from the inland northwest to coastal S. Caroling to visit one of our kids' we wanted a new car. While we don't use the 3rd row very often, the extra space it provides is very versatile and can accommodate lots of stuff. We prefer the standard V-6 over turbo's and hybrids because repairs on those can get expensive.
We bought a Honda Pilot Touring a few months back. We were concerned with the monochromatic look of the interior so opted for the dark blue that comes with the grey interior. A much nicer look in our opinion. Also, we don’t find the same jerkiness issue with the start-stop that you found. We had a Subaru Outback that really shuttered every time the engine shut off and when it restarted. With our Pilot I sometimes have to look at the tachometer to determine if the engine actually shut off. And the restart is not annoying at all. We recently traveled to Yuma for the winter from our home in Washington. My wife had the car packed to the gills. I could barely see out the back. Yet we averaged 26 mpg during this 1600 mile trek.
Thanks for the measured review. I have always appreciated the team’s thoroughness with all cars. We’re looking at the Pilot vs. Grand Highlander and are leaning GH because of the rear AC vents and slightly more space. I was wondering if you all (or any other commenters) noticed issues with the effectiveness of the rear AC vents during the warmer months in the Pilot given that they are not in the roof?
Thank you Mark.
Great video and right on. This is a great vehicle. Not a speed demon. The transmission does have hesitation but it is reliable. Hate the start stop and lack of transmission lever. Really a perfect vehicle for intended assignment.
I actually have this car but sport and I will say I do drive in normal in the city, but if I want to catch up with traffic on highway, I switch it to sport, and it works perfectly.
Great no nonsense videos as always. Really interested in GHH Max long term. Any plans on this one?
The Pilot was on the short list to replace my wife’s Mazda CX-9. We were initially drawn to it for the Honda reliability and the NA V6. However, as Mark mentions, the Pilot’s interior feels a generation or two behind some of the competition. At $55K for an Elite trim, we couldn’t get over it. The Telluride, for instance, is a much nicer cabin. Ended up leasing a KIA EV9 since we wanted to go electric this time around. No regrets so far.
Kia Telluride will not disappoint.
I have the 9-gear Ridgeline with the same engine and this is gonna sound funny but I use the paddle shifters to downshift when I need it to react quicker. It works.
Any issues related to the cylinder shut down of the engine?
This feels like a return to form of the original concept of the pilot - 3 row hauler SUV with some decent offroading capability. The VTM-4 lock was surprisingly good. Glad they kept with the J35 at least for one more gen, it's an excellent engine if a little inefficient.
came here just to hit that like button! 👍
As a 22 MDX A-Spec owner, I am a bit jealous of the extra storage bits in the front. The only issue with our transmission is from a stop, if you suddenly need to go, it’s default is 2nd gear and there is an alarming delay if you go full throttle off the line. The auto stop is horrendous and it does suck that you have to remember to turn is off every time. Sport mode also turns it off and then it also starts off in 1st gear. Assume this is the same with the Pilot.
Seems like you should just drive in sport mode always. Doubt the mpg is much worse if you drive normally
In my experience the Pilot always starts in first gear unless you are in snow mode. Sport mode does prevent the start stop function. Also if you apply less pressure on the brake peddle right before you come to a stop this also prevents the stop start function. This also works with the brake hold function. Though according to Tribologists in real world engine oil analysis. It was found when using the stop start function, the oil actually had less fuel dilution. Obviously it might be more irritating and harder on your starter motor but it may actually be better for your engine in the long term.
Test drove Pilot when it just came out in 2023. Some pros and cons, I was looking at Elite trim due to ventilated seats option, but ~55k isnt cheap. Instead I bought mint 21 CX-9 GT with 7k for 35k. 20k is a lot money even if Pilot will have a better resale value after 5-6 years and a slightly better overall vehicle.
My 2019 Honda Passport's transmission has the same hesitation when going from a stop. Changing the transmission fluid and resetting the transmission control module helped
I heard the VCM system is not reliable for long term ownership, how many miles is on your passport and have you had any issues?
The pilot outside looks like a slightly smaller Durango, which is both a testimonial to the 14 year old suv, being a design worth taking inspiration from over a decade later, and them making a cuv not look like a mommobile despite having more in common with a minivan than a pickup truck, unlike the Durango.
I have a 25 Pilot. I have owned dozens of vehicles, and this is the first one where everything just feels like it is in the right place -- from driver controls to getting the kid in and out. I was going to buy the Odessey, but my wife said this was cooler. Maybe next time I get the VAN!
your wife sucks
Making the important videos, thanks yall
For the lack of contrast, you can get a brown leather interior that helps with that.
Test drove 6 midsize 3rd SUVs, really wanted to like the Pilot. The transmission shift jerk and hunting just drove me bonkers. We drove 2 just to make sure it wasnt just that single car. Everything else Mark got spot on, good looks, useful boring interior, and fairly good NVH.
I wonder if the transmission hesitation you’re feeling is related to the cylinder deactivation system. My old 2011 Odyssey developed a really bad hesitancy and stutter that appeared as a transmission issue. Once I installed a cylinder deactivation defeat device, it fixed it all.
Can confirm the trans annoyance… it’s the biggest con for both my wife and me after about 14,000 miles in our 2023. Feels like there is a giant rubber band between the flywheel and driveshaft…
Try the Grand Highlander
My sister has same issues with 9 speed transmission issues. Reverse to drive is brutal and 1-2 shifts very rough sometimes. Dealerships can't find an issue though they're aware of known reverse issue.
Keep physical controls and add a bigger screen please. 9in screen is absurdly small and honestly kinda hard to use and display all the info you need for yourself and passangers.
Also the V6 is an amazing engine when new but id hate to keep it long term. Still used a belt which means you are dropping 1-2K at 100K miles anyways. That elimates any of the reliability benefits youd get with a V6 over a turbo 4. Rather have a turbo 4 for that reason alone. Plus turbo 4 will work les shard because all the torque down low whereas you gotta rev this V6 out more (which i like but most dont)
I trust having a timing belt interval over a timing chain engine with a low quality tensioner
@masterwhopper414 I suppose but I haven't heard of any widespread issues in competitors with turbo 4s. If Honda added a timing chain and fixed their trans it would be the powertrain to have aside from a hybrid. Honestly I'd rather have a Telluride/Palisade V6 or my favorite which is the Traverse V6.
If you stay away from the dealerships and have a trustworthy mechanic, the job should cost you less than 1K. I have seen around $700. Most people don't keep their vehicles past 10 years, or 100K, but if you are one of the people that do then over the belt life, even $1,000 works out to less than $100 a year or about $8 a month. Also, many mechanics will advise you to change your timming chain around the 200k mark. Which for many engines is the total engine life expectancy. I have a 06 Odyssey with about 200k. I just did the second timming belt, and the engine still passes emissions standards with flying colors and uses less than a quart of oil between oil changes. She still has most of her pep as well. Also, there are no transmission issues either. The only non maintenance thing wrong was axle boots, one wheel bearing, and sliding door problems. This was my bad. I didn't realize the sliding doors needed maintenance.
@@life36899 Post-covid era runs $1k for an Aisin timing belt kit which contains the tensioner and idler pulley (a must do since if these break due to age then your belt rips) as well as changing the water pump with a fresh coolant flush, and a serpentine belt change. This is getting it done from a reputable independent shop; at a dealership increase this by about 50%.
I bet that becomes Honda's new corporate logo. "Just stylish enough without being douchy". Like the movie Crazy People (great movie!)
small observations: H increased the "knee splay" space available for rear outboard passengers by deleting extraneous protrusions from the area on the top of the door card closest to the b-pillar. THANKS HONDA!! -this is important when talll people sit in the back.
I wish the rear bumper was a step bumper, kind of need it (in addition to the rear wheels) for roof access.
I recognize those Barrington roads :) another great review. The brake by wire syatem in the honda/acura suvs are way too soft and dont do well with repeated hard stops. It only gets worse if youre rolling on winter threads.
Thank you so much for the video. I've been torn between this and the Toyota grand highlander. Its a tough choice honestly and it comes down to preference as you guys have said in your other comparison video. BUT (lol), any thoughts that might sway me one way over another? 3 kids in carseats, daily driver, dont tow if it helps. Thank you!
Nice review! I am a bit shocked at the 20mpg. My 21 Odyssey (without the AWD system) gets about 24mpg mixed driving. In my recent all highway trip of 300 miles, I actually got 29+ mpg!
Stop lying.
@@petertrout7866. I don’t follow, I have nothing to gain other than to share my experience with a similarly sized Honda with the same V6 engine and 10 speed transmission
@@TingTingMelody like I said..stop lying!!! Savage geese is being completely honest.
Hopefully Honda will address his concerns for the refresh in 2026. Hoping for a hybrid.
Hey, i want to say Thank you to your channel for providing such detailed analysis of the cars. I have been following your channel from last year and it had really helped me to improve my knowledge. I have a question for you. Comparing Honda Pilot with Acura Mdx, i know Mdx is more towards luxury segment, and it costs approximately 20k more compared to Honda. Is it worth spending that extra money for getting that luxury or should more focus be given to usability!? And comparing these 2 suvs only, what about the post ownership Maintainance expenses, do we have to shell out more money in case of mdx vs pilot in things like serving and repair work ?
The hesitation as described @ 7:30 is real. I own the 2023 model and it's enough "lag" where it sometimes feels unsafe when pulling out into busy traffic. It feels like it cuts the power then there's instant torque. It's also what people are describing in the piloteers forums (go check out the forum if you're considering a pilot). I'm seriously considering a pedal tune that changes the throttle response. Waiting for Pedal Monster to release one for the pilot! Aside from that, I know it's no MDX Type-S but seriously Honda you need to fix the throttle response. Otherwise it's a great family hauler and excellent on road trips especially when you use the lane keep assist.
also the reason I bought this car was because of their in-depth video here: th-cam.com/video/nJffmiJy-IM/w-d-xo.html Safety is a top concern as I have 2 small kids and the amount of engineering put into this to futureproof against heavier EV cars beat out the competition like the Palisade/Telluride and Highlander. See 10:57 from that video
Would you recommend driving in normal or econ mode? Im a bit confused on when to used econ
I have a 23 Highlander and now a 25 cx70. The cx70 I don't regret at all, it's an amazing vehicle for what it is, but I wish I got this over the Highlander. Toyota quality has taken a huge downturn and I don't see anywhere near the amount of issues with these Pilots that I've had with my Toyota - roof leaks, half a dozen recalls, transmission and engine tuning issues, rattles/sqeaks. The only downside of this was the mileage and the power, which at 20mpg is pretty awful being the highlander and the 70 get 30+ highway and 20-23 for the highlander city, 22-25 with the 70.
If reliability is important to you good luck with the CX70. Goose did a review on this showing the complexity of the drivetrain, difficulty to service and expected poor reliability. Toyota hasn't done well with their TNGA-F vehicles (reliability, price, packaging, fuel economy) but the new highlander should be fine. New model Toyota's don't but first 2 years if worried about reliability. All manufacturers have what seem like a lot of recalls these days. Would you rather own a Ford or Hyandai? 😬🤢
@@James-il3tq The 'new' highlander is most certainly not fine. I've had that thing back more times than every other vehicle I've owned combined outside a Chevy. CX70 isn't going to be that bad to own being a ton of people are doing the exact same thing they're doing - mild hybrid with the small electric motor sandwitched between the engine and transmission.
The whole 'speculation' of how it will be too is nothing other than hearsay. Especially when 'BuY a ToyOtA iT wIlL lAsT fOrEvEr', and yet tens of thousands of them need transmissions, all the 3.4's they need to replace, the issues the taco has and so on so forth.
Everything is junk, so if it's gonna be junk regardless, best to find something you like and just face the problems when it happens eventually, rather than based on perception and the past, because clearly that means nothing anymore
I really wanted the Grand Highlander hybrid but the price with the nicer interior options was way too high for what it was (65-70K CDN), and the wait to actually get the GH hybrid was ridiculous (6+ months). If I was going to get a GH it had to be a hybrid. We we're coming from a '13 Ody so we got a bump in fuel economy and now have AWD - in our northern climate its really nice to have. 21.6 mpg (10.9L/100) for our 17,000kms so far.
We have a 2WD EX-L. We love the functional interior and overall in a straight line its a very comfortable ride. However its very floaty boaty. I know I know what do you expect. But it just seems to have way more body roll then others in the segment. Overall great car, but it just seems they could deal with the body roll a bit better.
FYI there is an aftermarket cover panel for those center 2nd Row seat anchors.
The fuel economy is the biggest disappointment with this new generation Pilot. Our box on wheels 2009 averages 20 mpg, it's just crazy to think that with 15 years of technological improvements that's it's no better in that department.
I just wish they left that V6 in one trim of the Honda Accord. That remains one of my dream cars right now is a 9th gen with the V6 and a manual.
Same. I might buy used if I can find a nice one. The v6 manual coupe accord is my dream car
Me too!
Not a single person ever wanted that start stop option on any vehicle in history
Honda is decent but the major issue is VCM all their 6 Cyl models are plagued by their VCM Cylinder Deactivation system, I won't go near a car which has that. I was in the market for an SUV for everything as in Utilitarian, I checked out KIA Telluride SX Prestige X-Line, Mazda CX50, CX90, RAV 4 Limited, BMW X4 and 4Runner. There's no contest in the reliability with 4Runner 1GR-FE, the 4x4 feature set is bulletproof. Steering feedback is superb as well. Mazda cars were absolute trash esp the CX50, CX90 was decent but the interior did not feel like 72K SUV, BMW X4 was the most responsive and good. RAV4 had poor steering feedback like Mazda, Telluride was decent and interior quality was superb. But the damn QC issues and the engine failures, not for me also Telluride has flex discs like German cars, the rubber will rot out eventually plus weak LCA on the rear side.
Nothing beats a crappy cylinder deactivation like GM/chevy trucks
VCM can easily be defeated with a simple under hood plug in module.
@ as well start stop nonsense
@@brianb7844 Tell me where to get one please. And for a Mazda3 if available.
@@brianb7844 Does one exist for the revised engine?
Call me old school, but I'd rather have the N/A V6 than a turbocharged 2 or 2.5L 4 pot putting over 300 hp. I have a Dodge van with the Pentastar V6, so, DOHC and VVT and 283 hp. I'm not burning up the road, but it'll haul everything I need and make a decent sound when you floor it. And it has a nice smooth power delivery. the 6 spd is 'meh', but the engine is great. Again, overstressed small displacement engines don't strike me as a recipe for reliability and longevity, but I'd like to be proven wrong.
I have the 18” Goodyears on my 23 ex-l super loud at 20k any recommendations for quiet replacements?
For me, it’s a good looking SUV. I wished H offered something with their advanced AWD outside of NA.
I just sold my 2011 pilot when I would get into my 18 Chevy cruze I'd always forget how touchy the brakes were on the cruze but a very good touchy
Test drove a 2025 Pilot Elite and noticed the engine noise is pretty bad. It sounded harsh, not smooth V6 I expected and it was about the same for 2024 MDX. - compared to 2014 MDX we owned for 5 years. Is this normal??
I test drove a Pilot and engine noise under anything more than light throttle was too intrusive. I later read that there is simulated engine noise added, and - if that's true - it's ironic they'd would direct engineering effort and cost to add what was a deal-killing issue for me.
@@desertmodern7638 Can that be disabled?