I feel like a lot of this applies to neurodivergent people (especiallly ADHD, OCD, and Autism) as when our traits are socially acceptable (like keeping shelves tidy, into popular TV shows, good at math, etc) we seem to be fine, but people start treating you differently when you let down that guard or mask, and let some of the less acceptable things come out. The anxiety, the impulses, the difficulty with socializing are things that never fully go away for us, but can be used in combination with our strengths to do good things when we accept who we are. For safety, some people have to hide their struggles, just like with Chadwick Boseman hiding his cancer from people, or me hiding my invisible disability from potential employers. But when you're in a place you can be yourself, it's a wonderful feeling.
Oh this kicked ASS. It’s also interesting to think about the fact that in the musical adaptation, there’s a whole song with explicit references to anti-assimilationist queer culture called “freak flag,” ending with Pinocchio actually saying “I’m wood, I’m good, get used to it!”
Yeah, I was a little bit surprised that the musical wasn't mentioned in the video, given that korviday seems to have seen it. It's a great play. In addition to sending an even better queer message, it has incredible music. ❤️ One of my and my wife's favorites. 👍🏻
I grew up on Shrek and... I'm neurodivergent I don't know how to ironically like things. I've in the past hated how much I like something that I'm not "supposed to like," but... I don't "like" it to make fun of it and I don't understand why people do that.
Shrek was literally my childhood, and my brothers favorite movie, I will always love shrek unironcally. There is literally a drawing on my wall of shrek that I made when I was 5.
This but also autistic culture! I can't relate to trans-ness, as I am a cis woman but I have struggled with my sexuality & neurodiversity growing up in a media-driven society and have recently started unlearning harmful stereotypes and learning about my true self. I find it easier to communicate through use of memes and pop culture as a way to relate to people.
I don’t want to be mean but not only does Korviday blow Schaffrillas out of the water, but if you want a good analysis of all the shrek films watch Big Joel’s video on it
@@unknownname328 Honestly I find Big Joel's video kind of tiresome, no hate to him. It's one way to view the series, but Schaffrillas is providing their own perspective. Schaffrillas focuses a lot on character arc and growth, while Big Joel focuses on reading the "trilogy" through a radical lens.
Schaffrillas would be great if he stopped using extreme statements to describe seemingly okay movies (Shrek 3). I'm not a fan of the overexaggeration or his editing skills... But anyways. No one asked me lol
I never thought about how Harold's past affected how he treated Shrek, but now that you pointed it out I'm struck by how much it adds. Harold assimalted into society, so he's challenged by how Shrek and Finona don't bother with society at all. Really, he should be sympathetic to them, and it's only societal norms that drive him to be antagonistic.
this also made me think about Lilian a lot too. Like how she is more willing to accept Fiona and Shrek as ogres because she has loved someone with a deviant body before. She loves her husband but Harold hates himself/his deviant body so much he has had to assimilate. It truly is full of such a beautiful touches and I love Shrek even more after this.
me 15 minutes into shrek 2: ...this is a metaphor for gay marriage my friend: what no my friend: wait my friend: oh my god it's a metaphor for gay marriage
The funny thing is that it also works as a metaphor for interracial marriage! It hit me when I rewatched the movie and I realized that basically, everyone was being a bit racist... not to mention the movie takes inspiration from guess who's coming to dinner.
I was trying to think of something funny to add but honestly nothing will ever be funnier than "fairy terf mother." Thank you for this excellent and thought provoking analysis
This is a very interesting interpretation. Shrek is my childhood movie and I was getting tired of just seeing it used as a meme. It's a very important story about identity and self acceptance and is one of the rare movies that sends the message that not everyone is beautiful, but that everyone is deserving of love. Great video, I learned a lot about the LGBT+ community (and therefore, myself) while watching your channel. Definitely looking forward to more of your stuff
I mean, if you think about it, the fairy godmother is also a fairytale creature. She has magic, she's a fairy, the difference is that she looks human enough for that to be acceptable. Also, fun fact! In Shrek the musical, the fairytale creatures sing a song called "Freak Flag" (I believe that's the title) and one of the lyrics is "Let your freak flag wave, let your freak flag fly. Never take it down, never take it down, raise it way up high!"
Just reading the lyrics is enough to make me cry. Lol I watched this musical just after coming out to my mother (I thought she knew) and was shocked at her response. She was always very supportive of me in everything, and had even told me days before I came out "you know you can tell me anything right? No matter what?" Hence why I thought she knew. But her response was not very welcoming and there were hurtful things said. All the while I was going through diagnosed severe depression. We've since talked and she revealed that her fears we're not about me being gay but about how my father and brother would treat me (since I've already been treated like shit by them before for seeming gay, she feared that actually being gay would make them hurt me more). Anyway that conversation didn't come till way later. And out of pure coincidence a friend lent me their Netflix because I wanted to watch Shrek the Musical. And when I watched it, the lgbt messages and similarities we're not lost on me. And I was isolating myself in my room to avoid confrontation and I just couldn't stop crying. It was the best cry I've ever had in my life. And I still cry when I watch this Musical because it quite literally felt like it came to save me from a really dark place. It came at the most perfect moment for me. Sorry that I just unloaded this here I just really felt something when I read the lyrics.
xJackDarkStonex Im sorry to hear your mom didn’t take it well, but it seems like you’re doing better now, which is awesome. The first time I heard the song I cried a bit, the parallels are too obvious too ignore. Hope you’re doing well!!
I'm thinking back to when I first watched the first Shrek movie as an egg and how hard I related to Shrek and Fiona and looking back on that now as an out trans person I relate to Shrek even more because I refuse to assimilate.
When I was little I loved shrek. But when I saw shrek 2 it scared me to death, because Shrek changed into a human. Looking back at my fear, now knowing I'm a lesbian, I think the idea of assimilation scared me. Having to change in order to fit in.
I'll second what Nico said. I always had kind of a problem with the second movie from the point where Shrek changed into a human because it made me soooo uncomfortable. Now, knowing I am a queer trans non-binary autistic person... Yep, checks out. The idea of assimilation was just HELL to me. And when Fiona was with Charming, thinking he was Shrek, that was my literal nightmare. The idea that I would not be recognizable anymore to the ones who loved me most to a point where they could mistake someone else for me was frightening.
When this movie came out on DVD, I'd watch it over and over and over and over again. Back then, I thought it was simply because I thought it was funny. But, now, after watching this video, it's apparent to me that I was drawn to this movie for a much deeper reason.
But sherks situation can apply to anyone. Like an atheist that lives in a religious community, or a black family that have found themselves in a racist community. The analysis of sherk can be applied to all, and it goes to show that just because a person have an appearance that someone may be suspicious of, doesn't mean that they fit that expectation. Love the analysis video too 😊
This was a lot harder to watch than I anticipated. It's been so long since I saw the movies I kinda forgot how close the themes hit to home for me. Lovely video, thanks so much
the implication that lillian already knew harold was a frog makes me think of how they might have met. it seems that maybe he met her as a frog, fell for her, but thought she would never love a frog. then once he attained a human form, he pretended he was never a frog so she would love him....lillian knew it was him all along, of course, because she fell in love with that frog. i think harold was just in denial that she could ever love a frog, and maybe lillian thought that he just always wanted to be human, and was happy to accept his new human self and play along with his pretending to be a different person. like damn.
That scene in the 2nd film where Shrek flipped through Fiona's old diary and realised he didn't fit into her idealised happily ever after horrified and resonated with me *for some reason* as a kid. Turns out I was trans and very repressed.
I think this might be the new weirdest thing that has made me cry. As a bi woman the bit about Fiona is uncomfortably relatable. Thank you for making this
Was expecting a meme, but this is now one of my favourite videos on the internet. More ogre representation please Also, the one dislike is the Fairy Godmother
When you started talking about Fiona's dad's internalized fairy-tale phobia I threw my hands up to my forehead and started screaming "Oh my god, her dad is Kalvin Garrah!"
As a white-passing hispanic bisexual, who hides their true ethnicity AND their sexuality, as a child, I thought shrek was wrong for not assimilating in shrek 2... and now, seeing me the way I am now, your video makes a lot of sense. I realize that I was wrong and I should feel more comfortable to be myself and let others be themselves. I'm better at the latter. I would like to be myself so much, but my family is so religious and hateful that for now, I must conduct myself in a way that won't receive any aggression from them. But I will protect and stand up for my lgbtq+ friends even more now because I know to keep an eye out for anyone like Harold, Farquaad, or like Fairy Terfmother. Thank you so much for this video.
"it's only through loving someone else who looked like me that i was able to realize that my body and my identity were also worthy of love" i'm not gonna cry watching a shrek video... i'm not gonna cry watching a shrek video.
thats why i get really pssed off when someone says they rather have seen fiona and shrek as humans at the end of the movie. it completely deviates from its central message.
I can relate to a lot of the themes in this video. And I know that it’s a completely different situation, as I am a fairly traditionally masculine presenting cishet man. But I’m also 5’5 and nearly 300 pounds at this point, and I was raised by lesbian parents to go against a lot of toxic masculinity. I can relate to the feeling of having to decide whether I want to assimilate or not. I went to high school in a verrrry conservative area, and I was on nearly every sports team. I had a lot of pressure on me to loose weight and try to turn myself into a “manly man”, especially because I was never going to be able to change what I was made fun of and emasculated the most for, my height and my lesbian parents. And I assimilated well. While I never did get completely skinny, I focused on being strong, and I set records at my school and even won a wrestling state championship. I fell pretty hard into jock culture, always talking shit and honestly being a bit of an asshole. But it was draining, and after I graduated I stopped lifting, stopped doing any sports, and ended up dropping all of my male friends from high school because I just didn’t want to have to act tough anymore or pretend to like the same kinds of people they liked. I gained a fuckton of weight and I still struggle with accepting my body. I finally let myself date another chubby person and I realized that I didn’t have to get the perfect girl or look perfect myself to be accepted and loved. And most importantly I’m working on letting myself be soft and fully feel my emotions again without shame. Self-acceptance in the face of societal norms is hard, and I still struggle with it a lot, but it’s a battle that’s necessary in life
I expected a meme, now i have another view of a movie that's 19 years old and people still praise for its message, i love how many meanings a movie can have, it's great.
@@R_L_A_G This is just the same argument that people use to tell lesbians they're not lesbian, by saying they just havn't found the right man yet. We use our identity as how we identify in the moment, and one's identity might change, or it might not. I'm asexual, and have considered myself asexual for the last two years. That might change in the future, that I don't know, doesn't change what I am currently. Same as with my gender, you respect my gender and pronouns because that's who I am right now, and it might change in the future, or (more likely) it might not.
@@Pazliacci I wasn't arguing, I was just saying I'm questioning because of the fact that sometimes people who don't indulge in sexual pleasure, indulge on rich food. I'm not saying that there are no illegitimate ones. I actually thought I was asexual for a while, because I wasn't really personally attracted to anybody and I really wasn't into sex. Then I suddenly had a flood of urges when I was 29.
@@R_L_A_G Saying that someone can't be asexual because they enjoy rich food is a weird connection. Maybe food is just good and people can enjoy it regardless of identity.
Honestly the "story she's been sold" kind of thing is a little too relatable when you've grown up with the romanticized ideal of the first touch and kiss at the alter or your honeymoon being your first time having sex.
This kept resonating with me. Thought back of my own life and having to move to different country at very young age. My name is not typical for region where we moved to and still some people refuse to use my name and instead give me more local sounding variation of name to call me. It feels similar to have to give up some part of your identity to assimilate. And what a waste of effort for I end up finding myself also on sexual and gender minority status. Fluid stranger I am and shall be.
Hey, I came from the Chud Logic debate. You genuinely shifted my perspective on rhetoric and im very grateful to be able to admit I had the wrong position but I listened and I was informed. I don't think I ever used that bad rhetoric on the left but I have been problematic in the past. Thank you for your service to the left. Also, kick ass channel!
Yeah it is in a way similar to LGBT+ people but "gender confused wolf" and ugly step sister xD it was 2004 and people are usually closed minded even if they're fine with it it's them not knowing or seeking information to see the line's that aren't ok to cross but that I got older at least Fair Godmother is easier to dislike xD
Okay so firstly I loved this video essay so much. Queer readings of movies that I held dear in my childhood is something that I love a lot because it is always super interesting to gain a new perspective on why I was drawn to these specific movies and pieces of media as a kid. Secondly I actually did the drink water every time korviday mentions assimilation and I drank all of an almost completely full 24oz water bottle, so cheers for that lmao
I think its also important to acknowledge that the whole monster/animal allegory has been used time and time again for trans folks, both in a radical, reclaimed + positive context and in a negative/demonising context. So Shrek totally fits in with that metaphor
As a kid, Shrek was my absolute favourite movie (I watched it so much I broke the video tape), but a few months ago, I rewatched the Shrek movies and realised how good they really were, understanding the message behind the story that it is important to be yourself, and accept yourself as whoever you are, despite everyone else and their opinions and ideals, and knowing that now, I can really appreciate how amazing these movies are, and I'd probably say that it's still my favourite kids movie today.
I didn’t know that I needed korviday’s soothing voice drawing parallels between fiona’s coming to terms with the part of her that her parents try to hide and society sees as monstrous and the experience of queer people learning to accept themselves, but I did. Holy shit, I really did.
I can barely see the keyboard because of the tears I resonated so much because I used to hate my gay self because I thought it was wrong. And I only started living it (me) when I saw other gay people being able to be happy and love themselves
this was so remarkably good thank u for this delicious food I'm really glad that the relatability of minorities to monsters is becoming more and more apparent and even celebrated (I owe Guillermo del toro my life) and this was a really great analysis of that from something lots of us grew up with
@@alexemy2463 What's wrong about telling apart amphibians from reptiles? I'm a frog owner and wanna-be snake owner, I care about how different animals are different. I could point out a lot of other things, like how scaleys aren't just into reptiles romantically/sexually, but they apperciate humanized animals in media and identify the most with reptiles. The fact the frogs are amphibians is the simplest thing people should know and that I could point out.
3173 Δ I was joking, and usually I’d say something shirty, but honestly it’s pretty cool that you care so much about frogs and accurate labels for furry subgroups, even if I don’t get it
im JUST NOW finding your channel and oh my god. i love it!! i love your voice, your opinions, the music choice in the background. everything. your analysis makes me think of things in new ways and challenges my preconceived notions of situations/media. i love your work!! keep it up!!
Korviday, not only do I love your name, but your voice is supremely wonderful to listen to. The quality of your content is a fabulous bonus. So glad to have found you.
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Shrek is about anybody who has ever been rejected by society, for whatever reason.
Yeah, it may change some details but I think many groups can identify with this in some way.
So raise your glass if you are green,
Or talking donkey
Lunos Nocturne LMAO
Yes, this guy nailed the analysis years ago: th-cam.com/video/WCFLbmAJ2Uc/w-d-xo.html
I feel like a lot of this applies to neurodivergent people (especiallly ADHD, OCD, and Autism) as when our traits are socially acceptable (like keeping shelves tidy, into popular TV shows, good at math, etc) we seem to be fine, but people start treating you differently when you let down that guard or mask, and let some of the less acceptable things come out. The anxiety, the impulses, the difficulty with socializing are things that never fully go away for us, but can be used in combination with our strengths to do good things when we accept who we are. For safety, some people have to hide their struggles, just like with Chadwick Boseman hiding his cancer from people, or me hiding my invisible disability from potential employers. But when you're in a place you can be yourself, it's a wonderful feeling.
Oh this kicked ASS. It’s also interesting to think about the fact that in the musical adaptation, there’s a whole song with explicit references to anti-assimilationist queer culture called “freak flag,” ending with Pinocchio actually saying “I’m wood, I’m good, get used to it!”
Yeah, I was a little bit surprised that the musical wasn't mentioned in the video, given that korviday seems to have seen it.
It's a great play. In addition to sending an even better queer message, it has incredible music. ❤️ One of my and my wife's favorites. 👍🏻
😔♥️it's ok to unironically like sherek
Since when has anyone not unironically loved shrek?! Shriek is an absolute masterpiece and anyone who doesn't like it is a fool 😤😤😤😤😤
@@jayy4651 its a joke:)♥️
I grew up on Shrek and... I'm neurodivergent I don't know how to ironically like things.
I've in the past hated how much I like something that I'm not "supposed to like," but... I don't "like" it to make fun of it and I don't understand why people do that.
What's ironic about shrek?
Shrek was literally my childhood, and my brothers favorite movie, I will always love shrek unironcally. There is literally a drawing on my wall of shrek that I made when I was 5.
"Harold, they're ogres"
This but also autistic culture! I can't relate to trans-ness, as I am a cis woman but I have struggled with my sexuality & neurodiversity growing up in a media-driven society and have recently started unlearning harmful stereotypes and learning about my true self. I find it easier to communicate through use of memes and pop culture as a way to relate to people.
absolutely!!
Just wanted to point that out as fellow autistic 😄👍
I also love this vid anaylis.
Yes! As a fellow autistic, i am very grateful that this movie helped me accept myself from a young age
Me, as a trans autistic person: 👁️👄👁️
You're so special and unique.
I'm glad we have kordiday and Schaffrillas to bring us the deep sincere Shrek analysis (and Fairy Godmother cancellation) that we all crave.
I don’t want to be mean but not only does Korviday blow Schaffrillas out of the water, but if you want a good analysis of all the shrek films watch Big Joel’s video on it
F A I R Y. T E R F. M O T H E R.
LMAO.
@@unknownname328 Honestly I find Big Joel's video kind of tiresome, no hate to him. It's one way to view the series, but Schaffrillas is providing their own perspective. Schaffrillas focuses a lot on character arc and growth, while Big Joel focuses on reading the "trilogy" through a radical lens.
@@unknownname328 Massive Joe
Schaffrillas would be great if he stopped using extreme statements to describe seemingly okay movies (Shrek 3). I'm not a fan of the overexaggeration or his editing skills... But anyways. No one asked me lol
Is the Fairy Godmother just blatantly J.K. Rowling?
Damn, you're right!
Quit insulting the Fairy Godmother, she doesn't even deserve to be compared to J.K Rowling
omg and harold is stephen fry!!
My new head cannon
omg a wand and everything....
"touching himself in front of the mirror, which i find important symbolically" lmfao
I never thought about how Harold's past affected how he treated Shrek, but now that you pointed it out I'm struck by how much it adds. Harold assimalted into society, so he's challenged by how Shrek and Finona don't bother with society at all. Really, he should be sympathetic to them, and it's only societal norms that drive him to be antagonistic.
yes!!! harold is a super interesting character!!
this also made me think about Lilian a lot too. Like how she is more willing to accept Fiona and Shrek as ogres because she has loved someone with a deviant body before. She loves her husband but Harold hates himself/his deviant body so much he has had to assimilate. It truly is full of such a beautiful touches and I love Shrek even more after this.
RedBaron 190 huh???
I never noticed how the fairy godmother is such a TERF prototype, amazing
Late to the party but is she even a terf? Nothing about her is feminist
me 15 minutes into shrek 2: ...this is a metaphor for gay marriage
my friend: what no
my friend: wait
my friend: oh my god it's a metaphor for gay marriage
The funny thing is that it also works as a metaphor for interracial marriage! It hit me when I rewatched the movie and I realized that basically, everyone was being a bit racist... not to mention the movie takes inspiration from guess who's coming to dinner.
I was trying to think of something funny to add but honestly nothing will ever be funnier than "fairy terf mother." Thank you for this excellent and thought provoking analysis
They probably use that with the objectively bad art ever.
This is a very interesting interpretation. Shrek is my childhood movie and I was getting tired of just seeing it used as a meme. It's a very important story about identity and self acceptance and is one of the rare movies that sends the message that not everyone is beautiful, but that everyone is deserving of love. Great video, I learned a lot about the LGBT+ community (and therefore, myself) while watching your channel. Definitely looking forward to more of your stuff
U rite
Cringe culture is dead
If you like that, check out my comment on the Roshan meme. Ice Age, Scene 2/5. You can’t miss it.
@@chronologizer422 I have never seen someone doing self promo of a comment they made on a different video, thank you
Re: Fairy Godmother
Huh, I didn't know JK Rowling has a cameo in Shrek
😭😭😭 brooo
I mean, if you think about it, the fairy godmother is also a fairytale creature. She has magic, she's a fairy, the difference is that she looks human enough for that to be acceptable. Also, fun fact! In Shrek the musical, the fairytale creatures sing a song called "Freak Flag" (I believe that's the title) and one of the lyrics is "Let your freak flag wave, let your freak flag fly. Never take it down, never take it down, raise it way up high!"
Just reading the lyrics is enough to make me cry. Lol
I watched this musical just after coming out to my mother (I thought she knew) and was shocked at her response. She was always very supportive of me in everything, and had even told me days before I came out "you know you can tell me anything right? No matter what?" Hence why I thought she knew.
But her response was not very welcoming and there were hurtful things said. All the while I was going through diagnosed severe depression. We've since talked and she revealed that her fears we're not about me being gay but about how my father and brother would treat me (since I've already been treated like shit by them before for seeming gay, she feared that actually being gay would make them hurt me more).
Anyway that conversation didn't come till way later. And out of pure coincidence a friend lent me their Netflix because I wanted to watch Shrek the Musical. And when I watched it, the lgbt messages and similarities we're not lost on me. And I was isolating myself in my room to avoid confrontation and I just couldn't stop crying. It was the best cry I've ever had in my life. And I still cry when I watch this Musical because it quite literally felt like it came to save me from a really dark place. It came at the most perfect moment for me.
Sorry that I just unloaded this here I just really felt something when I read the lyrics.
xJackDarkStonex Im sorry to hear your mom didn’t take it well, but it seems like you’re doing better now, which is awesome. The first time I heard the song I cried a bit, the parallels are too obvious too ignore. Hope you’re doing well!!
So in that sense she's also like transmeds. One of us but one of the "good ones" who can pass judgement on others.
Wait, so the fairy godmother is Blaire White? 😂
The FGM is either a trans-medicalist or a terfy sapphic.
The second you said "we live in a society" I pictured Shrek in joker makeup and now I'm cursed
Just... I can’t begin to explain how comforting it is for some one to just say Queer. It’s our word and we deserve to use it how we see fit
Your voice is absolutely lovely and very soothing
Can we please get a petition going to change Farquad’s name to “Boris Johnson Farquad”?
His full name is never stated, so it could be for all we know
LMFAO YES
Really on board with making "godmother" the next terf euphemism. Especially after watching fleabag.
I'm thinking back to when I first watched the first Shrek movie as an egg and how hard I related to Shrek and Fiona and looking back on that now as an out trans person I relate to Shrek even more because I refuse to assimilate.
wow oops same
When I was little I loved shrek. But when I saw shrek 2 it scared me to death, because Shrek changed into a human. Looking back at my fear, now knowing I'm a lesbian, I think the idea of assimilation scared me. Having to change in order to fit in.
mood
I had this same feeling and as an autistic queer person I really relate to this
I'll second what Nico said. I always had kind of a problem with the second movie from the point where Shrek changed into a human because it made me soooo uncomfortable. Now, knowing I am a queer trans non-binary autistic person... Yep, checks out. The idea of assimilation was just HELL to me. And when Fiona was with Charming, thinking he was Shrek, that was my literal nightmare. The idea that I would not be recognizable anymore to the ones who loved me most to a point where they could mistake someone else for me was frightening.
When this movie came out on DVD, I'd watch it over and over and over and over again. Back then, I thought it was simply because I thought it was funny. But, now, after watching this video, it's apparent to me that I was drawn to this movie for a much deeper reason.
This art is definitely not the content we deserve, but the content we desperately need.
But sherks situation can apply to anyone. Like an atheist that lives in a religious community, or a black family that have found themselves in a racist community. The analysis of sherk can be applied to all, and it goes to show that just because a person have an appearance that someone may be suspicious of, doesn't mean that they fit that expectation.
Love the analysis video too 😊
Shrek represents all deviants.
Both Shrek and Fiona are trans and bisexual sorry those are the facts
Don't you mean bishrekual
@@thegamingdoggo9519 :\
the gaming doggo lol
@@thegamingdoggo9519 get out lol
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Me before watching: wtf?
After watching: Holy shit you’re right
Cool, so like 3 months into quarantine and I'm crying about shrek. This was incredible, subscribed
This is just...all the feels I've always had about Shrek, but put beautifully and better than I ever could.
okay i was getting ready for a meme vid but im just crying now because this really resonated with me. thank you ♥
Oh my god. I can't believe Shrek has been the ultimate t4t love story this entire time
great analysis + your voice is so soothing u should do asmr
"Hyper bowl"
This also resonates so much with all oppressed people black, brown, dark skinned etc. Thank you for this wonderful deconstruction.
yes, it does! i'd love to see other people living different oppressions to me analyze these movies
all the “freaks” being forced into a small plot of land.... sounds kinda familiar
This was a lot harder to watch than I anticipated. It's been so long since I saw the movies I kinda forgot how close the themes hit to home for me. Lovely video, thanks so much
this was in my recommended. TH-cam KNOWS me.
fairy godmother has jk rowling vibes
the implication that lillian already knew harold was a frog makes me think of how they might have met. it seems that maybe he met her as a frog, fell for her, but thought she would never love a frog. then once he attained a human form, he pretended he was never a frog so she would love him....lillian knew it was him all along, of course, because she fell in love with that frog. i think harold was just in denial that she could ever love a frog, and maybe lillian thought that he just always wanted to be human, and was happy to accept his new human self and play along with his pretending to be a different person. like damn.
thanks, now i GOTTA go rewatch shrek and shrek 2...
shrek said trans rights...
Shrek IS trans rights.
@@joycelinlgbtqI Really hate transgender people
That scene in the 2nd film where Shrek flipped through Fiona's old diary and realised he didn't fit into her idealised happily ever after horrified and resonated with me *for some reason* as a kid. Turns out I was trans and very repressed.
Ogre rights are human rights.
That's not true Ogres are true monsters who are way more uglier than old people
@@sofiaisabela1213Not any uglier than your attitude.
I think this might be the new weirdest thing that has made me cry. As a bi woman the bit about Fiona is uncomfortably relatable. Thank you for making this
man i really love your reading of King Harold here
I'm so glad we have you in this world teaching us about "internalised fairytale phobia" ♥️
I would’ve loved a bit more attention to Donkey and Dragon, their relationship is also a big part of this message in a different kind of way
make the video i support u
This is the most important video on youtube
I drank water like you asked, and now I'm way too hydrated
Electrolytes! It's what plants crave.
Except maybe mix up your own so you don't have to deal with all the sugar commercial kinds have.
Was expecting a meme, but this is now one of my favourite videos on the internet. More ogre representation please
Also, the one dislike is the Fairy Godmother
So Harold is basically Blaire White
When you started talking about Fiona's dad's internalized fairy-tale phobia I threw my hands up to my forehead and started screaming "Oh my god, her dad is Kalvin Garrah!"
And the FGM is Blair White.... Wait the joke is getting weird.
OGER RIGHTS
Is your profile picture the radiance?
As a white-passing hispanic bisexual, who hides their true ethnicity AND their sexuality, as a child, I thought shrek was wrong for not assimilating in shrek 2... and now, seeing me the way I am now, your video makes a lot of sense. I realize that I was wrong and I should feel more comfortable to be myself and let others be themselves. I'm better at the latter. I would like to be myself so much, but my family is so religious and hateful that for now, I must conduct myself in a way that won't receive any aggression from them. But I will protect and stand up for my lgbtq+ friends even more now because I know to keep an eye out for anyone like Harold, Farquaad, or like Fairy Terfmother. Thank you so much for this video.
"it's only through loving someone else who looked like me that i was able to realize that my body and my identity were also worthy of love"
i'm not gonna cry watching a shrek video... i'm not gonna cry watching a shrek video.
thats why i get really pssed off when someone says they rather have seen fiona and shrek as humans at the end of the movie. it completely deviates from its central message.
The Fairy Godmother or Arielle Scarcelle? Honestly getting quite difficult to tell the difference at this point
Glad I found you here👀🧡
Lmao
Pagan liminals hahaha yes, I mean,, how could I watch a video of such IMPORTANCE?
I have come to redeem myself. I am sorry. Also I’m a lesbian now. Sorry Fiona.
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@@DialecticRed Yes I did.
literally this is the greatest and ONLY analytical reading of shrek worthy of anyone's time i love this video so much :')))
Y Same
I can relate to a lot of the themes in this video. And I know that it’s a completely different situation, as I am a fairly traditionally masculine presenting cishet man. But I’m also 5’5 and nearly 300 pounds at this point, and I was raised by lesbian parents to go against a lot of toxic masculinity. I can relate to the feeling of having to decide whether I want to assimilate or not. I went to high school in a verrrry conservative area, and I was on nearly every sports team. I had a lot of pressure on me to loose weight and try to turn myself into a “manly man”, especially because I was never going to be able to change what I was made fun of and emasculated the most for, my height and my lesbian parents. And I assimilated well. While I never did get completely skinny, I focused on being strong, and I set records at my school and even won a wrestling state championship. I fell pretty hard into jock culture, always talking shit and honestly being a bit of an asshole. But it was draining, and after I graduated I stopped lifting, stopped doing any sports, and ended up dropping all of my male friends from high school because I just didn’t want to have to act tough anymore or pretend to like the same kinds of people they liked. I gained a fuckton of weight and I still struggle with accepting my body. I finally let myself date another chubby person and I realized that I didn’t have to get the perfect girl or look perfect myself to be accepted and loved. And most importantly I’m working on letting myself be soft and fully feel my emotions again without shame. Self-acceptance in the face of societal norms is hard, and I still struggle with it a lot, but it’s a battle that’s necessary in life
The title of this video alone lifted me to a higher plane of existence so it's a good evening
I expected a meme, now i have another view of a movie that's 19 years old and people still praise for its message, i love how many meanings a movie can have, it's great.
How do I send this to my family without sending this to my family?
FIONA'S DAD IS KALVIN GARRAH OMG
So this is why Asexuals love Garlic Bread..
For a lot of people, taste is very erotic. Which has me questioning if people are actually asexual, they may not have actually found that person?
@@R_L_A_G This is just the same argument that people use to tell lesbians they're not lesbian, by saying they just havn't found the right man yet.
We use our identity as how we identify in the moment, and one's identity might change, or it might not. I'm asexual, and have considered myself asexual for the last two years. That might change in the future, that I don't know, doesn't change what I am currently. Same as with my gender, you respect my gender and pronouns because that's who I am right now, and it might change in the future, or (more likely) it might not.
@@Pazliacci I wasn't arguing, I was just saying I'm questioning because of the fact that sometimes people who don't indulge in sexual pleasure, indulge on rich food. I'm not saying that there are no illegitimate ones. I actually thought I was asexual for a while, because I wasn't really personally attracted to anybody and I really wasn't into sex. Then I suddenly had a flood of urges when I was 29.
@@R_L_A_G Saying that someone can't be asexual because they enjoy rich food is a weird connection. Maybe food is just good and people can enjoy it regardless of identity.
@@larsatticus6807 no, it's just really common in religion. I've noticed a correlation between less sex and enjoyment of food.
Honestly the "story she's been sold" kind of thing is a little too relatable when you've grown up with the romanticized ideal of the first touch and kiss at the alter or your honeymoon being your first time having sex.
I friggin hated Fairy Godmother as a kid and now I know why! She's a terf! It makes sense!
Just found your channel from Sarah Z’s recent recommendations and wow this analysis was so good it kinda made me cry a little
wait what!!!! sarah z recommended me? well wow
This kept resonating with me. Thought back of my own life and having to move to different country at very young age. My name is not typical for region where we moved to and still some people refuse to use my name and instead give me more local sounding variation of name to call me. It feels similar to have to give up some part of your identity to assimilate. And what a waste of effort for I end up finding myself also on sexual and gender minority status. Fluid stranger I am and shall be.
I really like the background music throughout this, is that yours?
yep!
@@korviday Awesome, I do music stuff so it's cool to see it's working for someone else. Also awesome job this video slaps
Hey, I came from the Chud Logic debate. You genuinely shifted my perspective on rhetoric and im very grateful to be able to admit I had the wrong position but I listened and I was informed. I don't think I ever used that bad rhetoric on the left but I have been problematic in the past. Thank you for your service to the left. Also, kick ass channel!
Yeah it is in a way similar to LGBT+ people but "gender confused wolf" and ugly step sister xD it was 2004 and people are usually closed minded even if they're fine with it it's them not knowing or seeking information to see the line's that aren't ok to cross but that I got older at least Fair Godmother is easier to dislike xD
I'm actually speechless I'm-- your analysis is so interesting, thank you so much! Gotta rewatch all of shrek now lmao
Okay so firstly I loved this video essay so much. Queer readings of movies that I held dear in my childhood is something that I love a lot because it is always super interesting to gain a new perspective on why I was drawn to these specific movies and pieces of media as a kid. Secondly I actually did the drink water every time korviday mentions assimilation and I drank all of an almost completely full 24oz water bottle, so cheers for that lmao
I think its also important to acknowledge that the whole monster/animal allegory has been used time and time again for trans folks, both in a radical, reclaimed + positive context and in a negative/demonising context. So Shrek totally fits in with that metaphor
"The fairy terfmother" oh god
As a kid, Shrek was my absolute favourite movie (I watched it so much I broke the video tape), but a few months ago, I rewatched the Shrek movies and realised how good they really were, understanding the message behind the story that it is important to be yourself, and accept yourself as whoever you are, despite everyone else and their opinions and ideals, and knowing that now, I can really appreciate how amazing these movies are, and I'd probably say that it's still my favourite kids movie today.
Can we get uploads of the songs cuz they're bops??pls😂
I was born the day the author of Shrek died, and it took me this long to realize i was gay
I know it's nothing to do with the video analysis, which I'm sure I'm going to enjoy, but, wow your purple hair is *way* cute.
I didn’t know that I needed korviday’s soothing voice drawing parallels between fiona’s coming to terms with the part of her that her parents try to hide and society sees as monstrous and the experience of queer people learning to accept themselves, but I did. Holy shit, I really did.
why doesn't this have more views. i absolutely love this
Glad this got out of quarantine.
that's amazing T.T love Shrek !!
Shrek: *breaks it down with All Star ANS completely memes out*
Also Shrek: *love yourself. You deserve love*
Heh, "as-similate"/becoming "as similar" as possible, only just got that
I can barely see the keyboard because of the tears
I resonated so much because I used to hate my gay self because I thought it was wrong. And I only started living it (me) when I saw other gay people being able to be happy and love themselves
Freaks need to stick together ❤️
yess i was so hyped for this videos and its so good !! more ogre representation now
Lord farquad kinda reminds me of poland and the “lgbt-free zones” 💀💀💀
Because I'm not lesbian I'm straight because I really hate Shrek so much
this was so remarkably good thank u for this delicious food
I'm really glad that the relatability of minorities to monsters is becoming more and more apparent and even celebrated (I owe Guillermo del toro my life) and this was a really great analysis of that from something lots of us grew up with
This was a great video and needs all the attention it deserves ^^.
this is blowing my mind. im seeing a lot of parallels to blackness/anti-blackness in your themes as well. beautifully done 😭
Fiona's mom is a scaley confirmed
Sir, frogs don't have scales?
3173 Δ I feel like bringing up biological accuracy is only gonna make things worse at this point
@@alexemy2463 What's wrong about telling apart amphibians from reptiles? I'm a frog owner and wanna-be snake owner, I care about how different animals are different.
I could point out a lot of other things, like how scaleys aren't just into reptiles romantically/sexually, but they apperciate humanized animals in media and identify the most with reptiles.
The fact the frogs are amphibians is the simplest thing people should know and that I could point out.
3173 Δ I was joking, and usually I’d say something shirty, but honestly it’s pretty cool that you care so much about frogs and accurate labels for furry subgroups, even if I don’t get it
@@alexemy2463 Understandable have a good day
im JUST NOW finding your channel and oh my god. i love it!! i love your voice, your opinions, the music choice in the background. everything. your analysis makes me think of things in new ways and challenges my preconceived notions of situations/media. i love your work!! keep it up!!
My new favorite TH-cam channel, thank you for all of these gems (and great music)!
I really enjoy your analysis, and listening to you talk is so soothing. Thank you.
Korviday, not only do I love your name, but your voice is supremely wonderful to listen to. The quality of your content is a fabulous bonus. So glad to have found you.
this is one of the best videos i've ever seen. it just resonated so perfectly. keep doing what you do.
This was so eloquently spoken and understandable,,, thank you for this content!!!
This was incredible. Thankyou for approaching this in an unironic way. I was honestly expecting memes but this was so much better
I'm happy that I've found your video. Thank you for the work and time you put in to making this video and perspective :)
Literally just realised why he's called Lord Farquaad...