"I cut it twice and it is still too short". I am happy to see the honesty in this build. We all learn more if you show the goofs along with the successes. I love this build.
I spend hours looking for a tool i just had in my hand, stuff happens. thanks for sharing it all. Thats why we like youtube builds better than TV builds.
The old “measure twice, cut once” has levels to the game. I come from a metric country and now live in the US with inches on my measuring tape. The number of times I’ve made a mistake with fractions haunts me. Even misreading the tape upside down incorrectly. There is something odd about the way the human brain functions. The little voice prodding you to check, and yet… 😂
As an American that sadly can only 'think in SAE' (though I'm getting comfortable with kilometers) I'd recommend simply converting everything to metric, and then it will all make sense. Don't try to learn to 'think in imperial' it just doesn't compute, it's like trying to use Roman numerals to balance your monthly budget. Just convert and go. I usually use story-sticks than measure anything, if possible. Even simpler than metric.
You know what, fair play to you for loading up the mistake you made.. You could of quite easily have edited that out. We all make mistakes and it refreshing to see this sort of content. It's all part of the learning process and helps everyone who is struggling thinking everyone else has it so easy. 👍👍
Do it right, or do it twice.... Or thrice.. Man, I love this build- more then I thought I would so now I have to catch up on all the missed videos! No one EVER gets EVERYTHING perfect first time in a build like yours.
I used to be so scared of starting projects incase I messed something up, now I’m older I’ve realised you don’t learn anything until you mess things up and work out how to fix them. Sure you can have people tell you what not to do, or read how everyone else has messed things up before you, but that will never cover every specific problem.
Watching you bending tubing really brought me back to college years in SAE. So does the sinking feeling of test fitting something you put hours into, only to realize its not going to work. Its something not covered too much on the tube. I very much appreciate you being so transparent about this entire process. This is just how builds go. FWIW, you are doing an amazing job. Keep up the great work. Its going to come out stellar. -Luis
The effort your putting into this definitely shows and is appreciated as I do a beams swap in my ae86, taking bits and pieces of what your showing and applying to my own project to up my quality and craftsmanship. Kudos brother, the edits, cinematography, the thought out explanations, we see you bud.
Anxiety happens when you think you have to figure out everything all at once. Breathe! You're strong. You got this. Take it day by day. And thanks for providing closed captions.
53 episodes in and it's the first mistake though. Keep on working, it's a great project and as you said it yourself, these things happen. Great content as usual, cheers from Brasil!
Ha ha ha! (I jest) We've all be there Mike, we've all been there... and like you say - it'll happen again. I do love your technique of drawing in CAD, printing and making over the template - that's one of the big take away's for me from this series, cheers.
I am going to start doing that too. Probably for wood fab and other things too. Thankfully I can just call my dad if I need something run off on a plotter.
Love the build, Mike. As you get to more of the engineering end of the suspension, don’t forget to take a step back and think about the forces. Couplings, antis and centers often don’t tell the full story.
This may likely be my favorite episode so far. This is as real as it gets when building and making custom parts. You are of course adding the stress of filming the whole thing which likely adds to distractions and what not.
Don't beat yourself up too much Mike...we're with you all the way. Thanks for the honesty and showing your mistakes. We learn more this way. Great video!
Thank you for showing us that your are only human. To many people would have just scrapped the whole thing in fear of being criticized. Keep posting cause I'll be watching!
Oh man, it doesn't even matter if you measure twice if you aren't measuring the right thing. Thanks for posting. It's comforting to know I'm not the only one.
I am in the car design industry, building show cars and design models for BMW,Audi, Mercedes etc, even though things are drawn up and machined etc, there are still mega fitment issues .. It's annoying but character building 😁 We always say "there is never enough time to build it once but always time to build it twice" Great build series and big respect for keeping it real👍👍
Hey, just wanted to say props to you for posting vids even when they show the mistakes, you're showing the real thing, not the buttered up for youtube version, these mistakes happen, even to people who do this daily, so props to you for showing the whole process mistakes and lessons learned (or not learned lol) included! Its things like this that set you apart from other chanels and why I enjoy watching!
I have said this before. It awesome to watch someone being human and screwing up. No bullshit. Truly shows what kind of person you are. Hands down best build. Thanks for not being fake and ego driven, dont see that much on youtube.
Really enjoying this build, it's so in debth for all the stuff rather than the common thing of just timelapsing things together and suddenly having a finished car at the end of the video. The fact that you show your mistakes as well is great, so I'm looking forward to seeing it all progress in the future.
Don’t let these situations get you down. Everybody makes them!! A ok, you learn from it, but not to much. You’ll making mistakes your whole life, that’s how you improve. So, you do things, which is always better than doing nothing at all. You WILL have the coolest Ferrari because of this
Thank you for including the screwups as well. There aren’t many of my projects that go off without a hitch, and despite the fact that you are eons ahead of me in skill, it’s nice to see we are all just human. Much love my friend.
I thought I was the only one that had to make things two or three times to get it right. Makes me feel better to know someone as skilled as you also doesn't always get it right the first time.
8:50 absolutely LOST it! 😂😂😂😂 Thanks for the good laugh! And even the best of the best sometimes make mistakes but i know you will figure it out like you always do! 😁
Love it… keep the ‘out takes’ and mistakes in, this is real world projects, not TH-cam fairyland. Good work. A tip, add as big of a strengthening gust to each A arm, the forces are large and try and bend the tubes. Best is totally enclosure of the bit between the the cross bar and the outer ball joint if this doesn’t interfere. You can add speed holes with a dimple for more strength and some weight saving. If you Google suspension arm failure or load testing you can find FEA/Solidworks images showing where the loads are concentrated in the arms and where you need to add material 👍
Don't be too hard on yourself. We've all done worse and it is big of you to share this issue with everyone out in cyberspace. Regardless of dimension the arms look fantastic and your TIG skills are improving by the day. Keep at it!
I admire the perseverance, Mike. The build has so much momentum. I would like to comment on the method of mounting the rod ends to the frame. Rod ends have 50% or less of their load rating when loaded axially compared to radially. Rotating the inner mounts so that the mounting bolts are vertical would load the rod ends purely radially at the sphere. Not sure how hard that would be but radially loaded rod ends is considered good practice for race car control arm design.
First, way to share your mistakes! That shows strength as well as humility, but Dude-don't beat yourself up! Laugh it off and think about all the people not as fortunate enough to even get a chance to fail at this stuff because there are A LOT!!! Looking forward to your next ep!
Man really respect the way you take such a mishap (although I assume some swearing was done off camera). Great that you show it too. This stuff happens. Keep at it, the car is going to turn out great!
Mike, I just found this series and I love it. I’m in the process of doing the same thing for my project cad but using C4 parts because I need to fit 15” wheels. Instead of prototyping in metal I’ve been 3d printing my parts and have gone through many iterations because my spaceframe chassis didn’t even have suspension mount points. The printing has gone quickly and saved me a ton of grief. I hope to get my first metal parts made in the next week and I already know I’m very close.
Lesson learned! I always find it helpful to cutout a cardboard template and fit the cardboard template to whatever I'm making to try and avoid mistakes. But hey, you only get experience after you needed it!
If only my mistakes were limited to 3hrs of re-work...keep up the great progress, really enjoying this build and the commentary/details you provide! My repeated mistakes are called "Lessons Observed".
Oh man, I feel your pain Mike. What a bummer. Thanks for being open and honest about mistakes. Makes us all feel better knowing everyone makes them. Can you tell us what went wrong in the next episode?
Where human everyone make mistakes sometimes! But I know in the end they would look nice. Can’t wait to see the finished project of the control arms. Robert
Shit happens. Im sure it is humbling for you but it also encourages me to start fabricating knowing that everyone makes mistakes. It is part of the process and you fix it and move on. Thanks for sharing the good with the bad.
I work in design for a company that makes buses, I would recommend you make the scene in cad first, you gotta have the mounting points in the cad so u can check this things in the program
Bummer man, human happens! Great build and I’m enjoying every minute of it. I’ll watch humility over arrogance any day. Thanks for keeping it real! Cheers
Thanks for keeping that stuff in there. It encourage green DIY'ers like me to just go for it. Stuff happens. If it messes up, consider it practice and do it better next time.
Love the ending been there done that, and I’m sure a bunch of us have too, bet you never do that again and hey great TIG practice and nice to see you improving your welding.
At least you are getting plenty of TIG welding practise! :) Given the part matches the CAD, do you know why your CAD was wrong? Did you mix up the upper/lower or front/back arms in some way when you were drawing it up? And to echo the other commenters, thank you for showing us the mishaps, rather than just hiding them.
I believe I mis measured or forgot to account for something. Since the heims sit flat against the insides of the tabs on the chassis instead of in the center, I’m guessing I forgot to account for the width of one mount or something similar. Essentially there’s a missing measurement I forgot to add in.
Whenever I screw up the first thing I do is look for the silver lining and it's always there to be found. I'm guessing you've gotten pretty fast at making those arms.
Always verify your 1:1 prints are actually 1:1 scale. Often there is a slight difference and considering you are using for an actual template it is worth checking... not necessicarly explaining your issue today, but still important to check.
Can assume the edit of the F-bomb, was also the edit of throwing and kicking things, followed by more F-bombs. That’s what I would’ve done. Nice work having a smile on your face for the outro.
@@stanceworks really enjoying the 308 and BMW builds. That’s a lot of courage fabricating that suspension, instead of trying to buy control arms that “might “ work.
Like most comments, I'd say I would not laugh at your expense. You just have to be able to do that. I've had PLENTY to laugh at myself over the years. Order the wrong ball joints, yep done that. Welded Sh*t solid without double checking, done that.....You get the point! It's what happens when we get tired and rush.
Mike, dont be too hard on yourself. Remember, the Master has failed more times than the novice has even tried.
Most relatable build series ever, keeps mentioning ‘the budget’ and swears at mistakes - I love it. Thank you
Relatable is blowing the back out of the budget then trying to figure out why you have no money.
It hurts a little when he hits so close to home
@@SupercarSeany hey now I don’t like to be personally attacked like that
"I cut it twice and it is still too short". I am happy to see the honesty in this build. We all learn more if you show the goofs along with the successes. I
love this build.
Thanks for checking your ego at the door and showing us the project, mistakes and all. This project is up there with Binky for best build videos!!
Well said
I agree with you 99%. This build needs more funk! ;)
All killer and no filler. The focus, purpose, pacing, and planning are all evident. I'd add Urchfab's Mongrel to the Binky comparison.
Thanks for the love guys. I will definitely find a time to “get out the funk.” I have a feeling Tuesday’s episode is going to be a behemoth!
@@jamesderby4522 agreed Matt did a wonderful job with the Mongrel. And the fella can weld!
I spend hours looking for a tool i just had in my hand, stuff happens. thanks for sharing it all. Thats why we like youtube builds better than TV builds.
Yes
Its more fun when you find that tool hanging out of your back pocket
The old “measure twice, cut once” has levels to the game. I come from a metric country and now live in the US with inches on my measuring tape. The number of times I’ve made a mistake with fractions haunts me. Even misreading the tape upside down incorrectly. There is something odd about the way the human brain functions. The little voice prodding you to check, and yet…
😂
As an American that sadly can only 'think in SAE' (though I'm getting comfortable with kilometers) I'd recommend simply converting everything to metric, and then it will all make sense. Don't try to learn to 'think in imperial' it just doesn't compute, it's like trying to use Roman numerals to balance your monthly budget. Just convert and go. I usually use story-sticks than measure anything, if possible. Even simpler than metric.
You know what, fair play to you for loading up the mistake you made.. You could of quite easily have edited that out. We all make mistakes and it refreshing to see this sort of content. It's all part of the learning process and helps everyone who is struggling thinking everyone else has it so easy. 👍👍
Do it right, or do it twice.... Or thrice..
Man, I love this build- more then I thought I would so now I have to catch up on all the missed videos! No one EVER gets EVERYTHING perfect first time in a build like yours.
Shit happens. With the finish and dedication, you have to your work it's a joy to watch both your success and small failures. Keep up the great work!
Huge props for getting the video up in such a short timeframe. Killing it as always
Now you are wiser! I cannot wait to see the Ferrari running!
I used to be so scared of starting projects incase I messed something up, now I’m older I’ve realised you don’t learn anything until you mess things up and work out how to fix them.
Sure you can have people tell you what not to do, or read how everyone else has messed things up before you, but that will never cover every specific problem.
Dude, I love this project. This is awesome. You are absolutely killing it, 99% of the time lol
Watching you bending tubing really brought me back to college years in SAE. So does the sinking feeling of test fitting something you put hours into, only to realize its not going to work. Its something not covered too much on the tube. I very much appreciate you being so transparent about this entire process. This is just how builds go.
FWIW, you are doing an amazing job. Keep up the great work. Its going to come out stellar.
-Luis
Lol, happens to us all!!! I like the fact that you showed it as part of the process and didn't just edit it out and say nothing. Keep grinding!
The effort your putting into this definitely shows and is appreciated as I do a beams swap in my ae86, taking bits and pieces of what your showing and applying to my own project to up my quality and craftsmanship. Kudos brother, the edits, cinematography, the thought out explanations, we see you bud.
Your way of not hiding your mistakes and keeping a smile on your face is the number one reason I follow you!
Awesome attitude goes a long way!!
Anxiety happens when you think you have to figure out everything all at once. Breathe! You're strong. You got this. Take it day by day.
And thanks for providing closed captions.
53 episodes in and it's the first mistake though. Keep on working, it's a great project and as you said it yourself, these things happen. Great content as usual, cheers from Brasil!
Ha ha ha! (I jest) We've all be there Mike, we've all been there... and like you say - it'll happen again. I do love your technique of drawing in CAD, printing and making over the template - that's one of the big take away's for me from this series, cheers.
Glad you’ve found something useful!
I am going to start doing that too. Probably for wood fab and other things too. Thankfully I can just call my dad if I need something run off on a plotter.
Love the build, Mike. As you get to more of the engineering end of the suspension, don’t forget to take a step back and think about the forces. Couplings, antis and centers often don’t tell the full story.
This may likely be my favorite episode so far. This is as real as it gets when building and making custom parts. You are of course adding the stress of filming the whole thing which likely adds to distractions and what not.
Your intrepid humility just earned you a sub. Keep up the good work dude.
I love it. An entire episode dedicated to parts that will never be used.
We have all done it and I feel your pain. All part an parcel of fabricating ;)
Amen to that!
Don't beat yourself up too much Mike...we're with you all the way. Thanks for the honesty and showing your mistakes. We learn more this way. Great video!
Thank you for showing us that your are only human. To many people would have just scrapped the whole thing in fear of being criticized. Keep posting cause I'll be watching!
How refreshing to see the stuff that really happens when trying to build parts like this
Oh man, it doesn't even matter if you measure twice if you aren't measuring the right thing. Thanks for posting. It's comforting to know I'm not the only one.
I am in the car design industry, building show cars and design models for BMW,Audi, Mercedes etc, even though things are drawn up and machined etc, there are still mega fitment issues ..
It's annoying but character building 😁
We always say "there is never enough time to build it once but always time to build it twice"
Great build series and big respect for keeping it real👍👍
Hey, just wanted to say props to you for posting vids even when they show the mistakes, you're showing the real thing, not the buttered up for youtube version, these mistakes happen, even to people who do this daily, so props to you for showing the whole process mistakes and lessons learned (or not learned lol) included! Its things like this that set you apart from other chanels and why I enjoy watching!
I appreciate people like you that show mistakes because that is real world. Your build is awesome man, keep it up.
I love this build, and the fact that you show all the process, mistakes included ! One of the best build out there !
Just one of those really good channels that have real car guy stuff and no fluff or bullsh...
I have said this before. It awesome to watch someone being human and screwing up. No bullshit. Truly shows what kind of person you are. Hands down best build. Thanks for not being fake and ego driven, dont see that much on youtube.
I appreciate this a ton!
Huge fan of the fact that you are able to show success and failure and both are equally interesting and informative.
gotta say -= i'm loving this build thread ... the honesty and detail you're pouring into the vids are refreshing - thankyou
Really enjoying this build, it's so in debth for all the stuff rather than the common thing of just timelapsing things together and suddenly having a finished car at the end of the video. The fact that you show your mistakes as well is great, so I'm looking forward to seeing it all progress in the future.
Don’t let these situations get you down. Everybody makes them!! A ok, you learn from it, but not to much. You’ll making mistakes your whole life, that’s how you improve. So, you do things, which is always better than doing nothing at all. You WILL have the coolest Ferrari because of this
"Probably not lesson learned, I'll do this shit again". I love it, because I feel it!
I’m glad you don’t cut out your errors. You’re human, we all do dumb shit like that. Keep at it Mike. This thing is gonna be bad ass!
Thank you for including the screwups as well. There aren’t many of my projects that go off without a hitch, and despite the fact that you are eons ahead of me in skill, it’s nice to see we are all just human. Much love my friend.
I thought I was the only one that had to make things two or three times to get it right. Makes me feel better to know someone as skilled as you also doesn't always get it right the first time.
8:50 absolutely LOST it! 😂😂😂😂 Thanks for the good laugh! And even the best of the best sometimes make mistakes but i know you will figure it out like you always do! 😁
Happens to the best of us man. Now you'll just be able to make it quicker the second time around.
Hang in there Mike! Consider it a lesson learned, and they can never take away the welding experience you gained!
You sent it....... Fab
And it sent it back.
Love your work and you're humanity
Love it… keep the ‘out takes’ and mistakes in, this is real world projects, not TH-cam fairyland. Good work.
A tip, add as big of a strengthening gust to each A arm, the forces are large and try and bend the tubes. Best is totally enclosure of the bit between the the cross bar and the outer ball joint if this doesn’t interfere. You can add speed holes with a dimple for more strength and some weight saving. If you Google suspension arm failure or load testing you can find FEA/Solidworks images showing where the loads are concentrated in the arms and where you need to add material 👍
Good on you for posting your screw ups, most channels make everything look like it goes smoothly, the honesty in this is refreshing 😎👍
Don't be too hard on yourself. We've all done worse and it is big of you to share this issue with everyone out in cyberspace. Regardless of dimension the arms look fantastic and your TIG skills are improving by the day. Keep at it!
I admire the perseverance, Mike. The build has so much momentum. I would like to comment on the method of mounting the rod ends to the frame. Rod ends have 50% or less of their load rating when loaded axially compared to radially. Rotating the inner mounts so that the mounting bolts are vertical would load the rod ends purely radially at the sphere.
Not sure how hard that would be but radially loaded rod ends is considered good practice for race car control arm design.
Great job Mike and I like your honesty. Mistakes happen, but many other TH-camrs edit them out.
First, way to share your mistakes! That shows strength as well as humility, but Dude-don't beat yourself up! Laugh it off and think about all the people not as fortunate enough to even get a chance to fail at this stuff because there are A LOT!!! Looking forward to your next ep!
Man really respect the way you take such a mishap (although I assume some swearing was done off camera). Great that you show it too. This stuff happens. Keep at it, the car is going to turn out great!
Mike, I just found this series and I love it. I’m in the process of doing the same thing for my project cad but using C4 parts because I need to fit 15” wheels. Instead of prototyping in metal I’ve been 3d printing my parts and have gone through many iterations because my spaceframe chassis didn’t even have suspension mount points. The printing has gone quickly and saved me a ton of grief. I hope to get my first metal parts made in the next week and I already know I’m very close.
Dude this was the most relatable video I’ve ever seen. Unexpected mistakes that were totally avoidable will eat you up. Keep at it you’re crushing it.
Lesson learned! I always find it helpful to cutout a cardboard template and fit the cardboard template to whatever I'm making to try and avoid mistakes. But hey, you only get experience after you needed it!
FAIL FAST and LEARN - Way to keep it real and not hide the reality of self built cars. This series is great - keep on keeping on!
Like the new wishbones - look better and stronger than the old ones as a bonus!
You handled that like a champ. I’d have flung it across the room cussing the entire time! Measure twice, tack once? New t-shirt material!! Haha
If only my mistakes were limited to 3hrs of re-work...keep up the great progress, really enjoying this build and the commentary/details you provide! My repeated mistakes are called "Lessons Observed".
Oh man, I feel your pain Mike. What a bummer. Thanks for being open and honest about mistakes. Makes us all feel better knowing everyone makes them. Can you tell us what went wrong in the next episode?
Where human everyone make mistakes sometimes! But I know in the end they would look nice. Can’t wait to see the finished project of the control arms. Robert
Your my hero for the way you handle the trolls..
Dumb stuff happens. At least you are in the shop making things happen. Carry on.
You could just open up the holes in the strut to make those ball joints work. Loved to see the feature on speedhunters!
Shit happens.
Im sure it is humbling for you but it also encourages me to start fabricating knowing that everyone makes mistakes. It is part of the process and you fix it and move on.
Thanks for sharing the good with the bad.
Do it! Dive in and start making!
YES EVEN A PRO MESSUP!!! Nice to see some humanness in you!
It happens. onwards and upwards, you got this
I work in design for a company that makes buses, I would recommend you make the scene in cad first, you gotta have the mounting points in the cad so u can check this things in the program
Man love your work here.
Mistakes are human.. no worries.
Keep up the good work
It happens lol. If it didn't we are not human. Loving this build series.
Man that's tough, they could make a cool desk lamp stand if you weild a base on an stick a light in where the ball joint goes 🤙
Bummer man, human happens! Great build and I’m enjoying every minute of it. I’ll watch humility over arrogance any day. Thanks for keeping it real! Cheers
"We do it right because we do it twice" - Quote from anyone who ever did anything difficult.
That sucks bro but don’t feel too bad. We’ve all done it!
We have all done it! dont beat yourself up too much shit happens.you could of edited it out,props for being Real.
that's a bummer...
I know that feeling bro.
Now we know you just as human as all of us. Well done anyway, they look awesome. Version 2 will look even better :)
Thanks for keeping that stuff in there. It encourage green DIY'ers like me to just go for it. Stuff happens. If it messes up, consider it practice and do it better next time.
This just shows how we are human and make mistakes. I’m happy you added this most would have cut it out the video and only showed the final piece
Love the ending been there done that, and I’m sure a bunch of us have too, bet you never do that again and hey great TIG practice and nice to see you improving your welding.
bruh.. you can just get a tapered reamer and ream out the uprights to the correct internal diameter
At least you are getting plenty of TIG welding practise! :)
Given the part matches the CAD, do you know why your CAD was wrong? Did you mix up the upper/lower or front/back arms in some way when you were drawing it up?
And to echo the other commenters, thank you for showing us the mishaps, rather than just hiding them.
I believe I mis measured or forgot to account for something. Since the heims sit flat against the insides of the tabs on the chassis instead of in the center, I’m guessing I forgot to account for the width of one mount or something similar. Essentially there’s a missing measurement I forgot to add in.
You're still doing way better than I can do bro, Keep up the good work!! Peas 😎👊🏼
Was going so good then... welp. Shit happens though and you took it with humility and grace. Great watch, can't wait for Tuesday
Staples will print blueprints!
Good job regardless, I do stuff like this all the time. It's part of the process sometimes lol
Whenever I screw up the first thing I do is look for the silver lining and it's always there to be found. I'm guessing you've gotten pretty fast at making those arms.
Thanks for sharing all of the process with us, good and bad. It's great content!
Always verify your 1:1 prints are actually 1:1 scale. Often there is a slight difference and considering you are using for an actual template it is worth checking... not necessicarly explaining your issue today, but still important to check.
I got finally back at watching your videos.
I am feel really sorry for that one episode here!!
This is beautiful,thanks for sharing this incredible process
Never give up king 👑
Feck it. You live and learn. Thanks for bringing us along for the ride :-)
Can assume the edit of the F-bomb, was also the edit of throwing and kicking things, followed by more F-bombs. That’s what I would’ve done. Nice work having a smile on your face for the outro.
Haha I don’t throw things, thankfully. An F bomb was all she got.
@@stanceworks really enjoying the 308 and BMW builds. That’s a lot of courage fabricating that suspension, instead of trying to buy control arms that “might “ work.
Like most comments, I'd say I would not laugh at your expense. You just have to be able to do that. I've had PLENTY to laugh at myself over the years. Order the wrong ball joints, yep done that. Welded Sh*t solid without double checking, done that.....You get the point! It's what happens when we get tired and rush.
You rock! We’ve all been there!
Well sh8t that blows that the control arms don’t work out this time. Hang on to them if you can for the next build!! Love this channel
"Lesson learned...probably not I'll do that shit again" same. Thanks for being real! Shit happens lol
Chin up! Keep going!