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0:00 Totally Cool Dramatic Shots
0:26 Intro
1:02 Thank you PCBWay!
1:55 eDP
5:28 About the Windows install...
6:04 Keyswitches in the Controller
7:01 Hall Effect Triggers?
8:15 The 3d Printing Part
10:42 Prepping the Case
12:36 Actually Building the Thing
36:53 Disassembly and Reassembly ugh
39:18 It works!
39:52 Gameplay
41:27 What I like and What I don't
46:41 What's Next?
47:30 Conclusion and Last Remarks - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
For the future, you can get a hook from the hardware store, and then hang your things for spray painting and that'll probably mitigate the "accidentally ruining clothes and getting it all over you" thing without standing in your garage in your birthday suit xD
Im sure my neighbors would appreciate that if i paint outside
A wire coat hanger works great too
imagine having to go through an airport security with all those wires in the handheld
That's why I only bring a laptop, charging cable, headphones, mouse, and second phone when I go to the airport. Much more normal that way.
Not really much to worry about, explosives look very different inside X-ray machines than standard electronics.
@@kimhyunwoo8983 That makes me feel better about travelling, maybe I will pack more electronics then lol, I'm probably gonna travel somewhere next year and then travel to to Europe in 2026.
Isn't lithium quite explosive (more like quick burning) When added to water
Yeah, I'm building a practical framework mod and this is something I've thought about
I think Bazzite or ChimeraOS would be good options over ubunutu imo. Also if a game isn't running it's always good to check protondb to see how others are getting around issues. Thought I should mention those just in case you haven't heard of them. Great video and look forward to the next one!
Great project.
About the USB C stuff...
For one, it works well to use one of the twisted pairs from a CAT 5 network cable for short runs of USB2 (like you have here), and also you don't necessarily need to run the CC lines. For power negotiation adding resistors to the pins on the connector itself is sufficient in this use case (ie you don't need anything fancier than the 5V 15W case). There's actually articles on hackaday about USB C, including the PD (power delivery) stuff.
So you could've made your custom cables for the touchscreen work.
The homebrew dynamic shot intro was comedic and timing gold. Meta is meta is meta XD
Finally the full video
Sorry it took a while. It turned out to be a lot of work haha
@@TommyBee456I love it. It's like an RoG ally except better
Really cool project! It'd be challenging to get right, but I really like the idea of somehow cramming in at least 1 of the Framework expansion bays for that modularity goodness. Don't know where you'd put it there's such little room, but it'd be amazing.
Secondly, a custom battery might be the best option for reducing the weight and giving more flexibility to the design. I imagine you could cram a split battery into each of the controller grips (which might also help with the weight distribution, since more of the weight will be directly in your hands instead of cantilevered off)
And finally, if you want another project, you could always make a dock for your new handheld ;)
Huh, interesting idea... i could probably find the battery pinout and use 4 individual 1s batteries in series. That would give me a lot of freedom in the design. I like it.
Oh also yea I do want to be able to use framework expansion cards. I just gotta find a good spot for them.
Even if you can't fit the bays on/in the device itself, a hub into several ports on a dock would do a good job of it.
@@TommyBee456 Putting 1865s or 2170s in the grips, and giving them more depth, for a more comfortable grip would be a cool concept.
@@TommyBee456 Did you find the pinout? I also found the connectors used for the battery aren't as easy to buy as I thought
@ccricers so it's a little more complex than just the pinout. It looks like the battery pack itself handles protection and cell balancing, so it would need a custom PCB to connect the lipos to and power electronics like that just isn't my specialty and can be a bit dangerous so ill need to think of something else
Fun fact, Kapton polyimide is whats used on the James Webb Space telescope on it's heat reflector. (The heat reflector is made of layered Kapton and Aluminum foil, reinforced with additional Kapton strips). Encase anyone gives you grief about the Kapton tape know that if it's good enough for NASA to be used in space.
Woah that cool!
while in the same time it had to be fased out of planes for security. In the space the conditions are different, but here on earth capton can turn into onductor over long time and cause arching and possibly fires...
Anyone who gives him grief about using Kapton has never done any real engineering or prototyping.
@@AdamTheGuitarist You are talking about two completely different environments though. Not just Space vs Earth, but the Conditions in which Planes are routinely in vs a handheld gaming device.
Shots fired at raspberry pi and I wholeheartedly agree. They made proprietary connector so they can sell you a proprietary display. No thank you
This is a great project, well done! I've seen a few attempts at framework handhelds, and this seems like the most complete by quite a bit. Very cool! I'm glad you're going to work on controller PCBs, as the "switches mounted through a plastic frame and hand soldered to individual wires" approach always seemed both needlessly complex and poorly suited to the job - especially with a PCBWay sponsorship! A PCB might even give you the space needed for modular sockets for your switches! And, of course, using a PCB will let you use a simple off-the-shelf ribbon cable between the halves rather than that mess of wires. Oh, and there are quite a few options for ribbon-style USB-C cables out there, including ones with connectors with minimal housings and strain relief, so most likely you could find something suitable to further cut down on space for internal cabling. Lastly, I think you're kind of sabotaging the rubber grommet mount on the speakers with your brackets - after all the bracket is hard plastic hard mounted to the case and pushing directly against the speaker. Maybe leave room for some sort of rubber gasket between the brackets and speakers? The lack of usable off the shelf eDP display panels is a massive shame, but also nothing you can really do much about of course. Really looking forward to the next iteration of this!
I'm shocked to see you have less than 7000 subscribers!! This project turned absolutely amazing and your style is perfect for these sorts of videos.
I'm shilling this channel to all my friends now (hi there if you see this comment hahaha) because this deserves so much more attention. Fantastic work!
I appreciate you ❤️
I'd love to build this. But I'd need triggers that work with racing games. Also B7000 glue works great for gluing in screens (especially phone screens) it's about $7 for 220ml. You need a 5k1 resistor on the cc pins for the usbc. I've made these in the past with success.
Pretty sure you could use PCBway to design and print a flex ribbon cable for all those controller wires, it would make it easier to solder stuff together and also solve your wire routing bulk.
It'd be nice to see a couple of custom PCBs next time. So I mean like on each side of the device, with hotswappable mechanical switch ports. Probably linked together with a standard ribbon cable, with an rp2040 built into one as the controller. It's not that hard to do, and it'd be sick. I would love to see all the various internal usb connectors be removed and replaced with ribbon cables.
You could make it a much lighter, thinner and cheaper to make device if you didn't use all those adaptors and wires. Maybe use flat mechanical switches or even stop using the mechanical switches for slimmer alternatives.
Should team up with CNC Dan for this. He uses custom PCBs for his handheld NUC projects. The common approach for game controllers is silicone membranes with carbon to make contact with pads for switches on the board
I don't recommend tugging on wires to check the solder joints. If you're looking to find out if it made a good connection. Use a multimeter. If you're using thinner gauge stuff. It's going to break if you tug on it
Excellent project - thanks for documenting and sharing all of your hard work! I could see such a device being an absolute emulation beast.
Very cool! I'm happy you got it finished. I really like how the assembled unit looks. Accessing the motherboard again looked painful. Can't wait to see how you improve.
I've never wanted to see someones channel receive more subs than yours. such high quality content.
Awesome! Really cool and massive project. Love the video!
Just awesome, I was very eagerly waiting for part 2.
Hope you enjoyed it!
I'll wait for the optimized version! GREAT JOB!!
As much as I love this video, and the long form, can't help but think that a few more short-form videos with the device would be great for a different audience who would love to see what you've made, but might not enjoy watching all the fiddling/soldering.
A video doing some true benchmarks of popular games, then comparing results against the steamdeck/ally, including some battery rundowns (curious if the extra weight of that battery leads to longer run times).
A video letting some friends/colleagues play with it, then compare against something like a steamdeck as well.
Just seems like a crime that you are sitting at under 10k subscribers with how high quality this content is. Normally I would send videos that I enjoyed this much off to my friends who have a decent interest in cool projects/tech like this, but it seems a bit too in the weeds for their tastes, even if I was fascinated.
Some ideas for future revisions, leaning into how custom you are able to go doing it all yourself:
-A very small display somewhere on the device that gives a battery or fps readout, that would be so slick.
-Rear buttons
-transparent shell (maybe once you get custom PCBs in there first, ha ha)
-Rumble
-trackpoint (maybe not if you do trackpads, but a trackpoint could be so cool for the form factor). Maybe if you do get trackpads too, see how a trackpoint on the rear would feel
-see if you can get a steamOS fork on it, like Bazzarite/Chimera
-You could try a few more switches. Gateron x Nuphy have a few switches in that same form factor. Moss should be very similar to banana but maybe a tiny bit more force from some reviewers. If your newer designs with PCBs and reorganization lead to hotswap, that could make for some fun videos.
Good ideas!
Really I would just love to see more of it myself! What a cool project@@TommyBee456
Kapton tape isn't a layer of thermal insulation. It is highly heat resistant that's true but that doesn't mean it prevents heat from going through.
Just like metal doesn't lose its shape in an oven so it's heat resistant but metal is a conductor.
In this case kapton isn't a conductor but by function of its extremely small thickness, it has virtually no impact on thermal transmission.
To be clear I'm fairly confident the battery will be completely fine with how you built it. But you got those details mistaken.
Nice to see this with the trackpad, trigger and rumble motor. awesome project ❤❤❤
Amazing build dude, great attention to detail 🥳
One of the ideas (not a serious thought, but something I thought would be cool) I've had for a potential custom handheld PC (if I'm ever in a position to even think about starting such a project) is, a PCB for the buttons and sticks on each side of the controller where they can be physically swapped "whenever you want".
For example, you have mounting holes for the 4 buttons and a joystick at both of the spots where you'd mount them, then a tiny switch to tell the controller if you have the stick at the top or at the bottom spot so it can send the correct signals. That way, it could be used by people who prefer the Xbox/Switch layout you use here, and people like me who much prefer the PS/Wii U style layouts, or even have the stick on the left at the bottom and right at the top. This would require either a full front shell replacement, or the ability to mount some covers around the buttons akin to what you do with the rings around the sticks.
great work... I know this wasn't asked for but as someone who is constantly iterating on custom electronics, you could save a lot of space and shrink down a lot of the physical design with smaller guage wires and directly wiring the hdmi adapter with a ribbon cable version. if you ever decide to take a nother whack at it, there is so much that could be improved with thinner wires and intentional wire management lanes imbedded into the case and taped over.
again, this was excellent. i loved every second and subbed because of it.
Thank YOU.
This device would probably be too big for my hands and my kids. So, I imagine looking to use some 4x4" sbc board could be possible?
AMD 8840u is probably the best SoC for this, so maybe we could finance its production.
While I like Framework, a miniPC with 7840hs can be bought for 350-400USD (I have one using it mostly to play GT6 on PS3 emulator), meaning its motherboard cost even less.
Just want to say the open source spirit is strong in you. =) Thank you for that.
In the current time where open source gets less and less attention in favor off selling stuff it’s a rare site.
Thank you, and keep the project going.
Btw. the trackpads are a cool idea.
Love the project! I want an update after a couple months!
Submit this to Valve for as a job application lmao.
Also, for the screw in joystick rings, you could use a spring loaded recess that rotates and locks in. Kind of like the locking mechanism on cars drum brake shoes. Would be easy to swap and always aligned properly.
Looks sick!!
Cool video and great project. The resin color reminds me of a limited edition lion king game gear I had when I was a kid. I always thought my steamdeck would benefit from thunderbolt/usb-c video out on the bottom and either a usb-a or another usb-c port on top. That way it would be easier to dock in a way that's similar to the switch while also letting you add peripherals or a hub. Hardware buttons mapped to volume controls might be a nice feature too.
I'm excited to see what you come up with next.
Gateron LP Banana is my favorite key switch.
brooo thats sick!! slap that cad model on fiver and someone can take those hard specs and design you something really flashy for getting a viral TH-cam video, you are so close to the dream rn brooooo
I have been waiting for this video for a long time
Awesome video. As you stated in the last part, with pcb you can save a bit of space. This way, you wight be able to add vibration to the controller sides which could be a great improvement to the gaming experience !
Amazing project! Loved watching! Regarding the chassis intrusion switch, you can disable that in bios so taping isn't really necessary. :)
Please remake it with improvements as u said because it could be the best handheld console ever❤
very cool device, looks great!
Super cool. Well done for getting to this stage.
I was wondering why you didn't use custom pcbs for the controller mounts, as they are sooo cheap - but you called this out yourself. Would make things way easier to assemble, it's also dead easy to break a single solder joint when routing cables like that which is a nightmare to diagnose.
I've just designed a breakout for the keyboard connector that does on/off and USB to a ribbon cable connector. Hmu if you would like a link to my project flies.
If you'd rather go with square/rectangular track pads the TPS43 by azoteq is a good option. I'm working on a similar project myself on my channel and I just did an episode on incorporating trackpads so if you want some pointers, feel free to reach out!
Yo, didn't expect one of the only other DIY Deck makers to be here, looking forward to the finished ZenDeck mate!
Great vid, great work, great ideology, can’t wait to see more ❤️
This is making me want to do this even more... Thank you.
Hopefully framework will donate a newer gen motherboard. You're essentially paying in time and money to promote them. Fantastic work though, I love the large buttons and Dpad.
yooooooo i was waiting for part 2!
Yoooo I've been waiting for this, you a legend bro.
Hope you enjoyed it!
Awesome project, respect
Looks great. For next build, would you consider putting the battery on the outside, so it would be easier to replace without having to take it all apart?
Amazing job!
Glad you like it!
Would have looked sick if you got PCB way to resin print a clear case shell. Apart from that sick build! Looking forward to future iterations.
It'd be interesting to make one of those using one of framework's screens.
It'd probably end up bulky and heavy, but it'd be an experience without equal on the market right now.
super professional looking project now i njust wish there was a market for used framework mainboards. cant find a single one thats used out there....
Let's go. I just saw pt 1 yesterday
Awesome! For heat shielding you could look into a goretex-like material like dell uses on their laptops
A lot of people don't know this but, Valve has given support for nearly any sort of hardware for Steam OS. It may be something you're interested in.
This is awesome
Finally it’s finish reborn this handheld
Cool project, I wonder if someone will start manufacturing kits based on framework board and your idea/printable designs.
Did you consider doing resin for the body? Im not familiar with resin printing but it could eliminate the need to paint.
This is awesome! Congratulations for completing the build!
A question I have is whether the OLED screen from the Steam Deck could be used? What standard does the OLED screen for the Steam Deck use? I know the LCD version uses MIPI, does the OLED screen use eDP?
I have no idea but its probably worth looking into!
I am thrilled by this project! Congratulations on the build and design. I get the point about the open source thing, but please, at least open up a patreon or something the viewers can support you.
Bro that's so sick
Awesome!
Yo, you talk with your whole body, too! Love the video!
You should duplicate the "ABXY" buttons on the back of the handset for better play. Also Framework should make their own 8" screens (or a collection of small srceens) for projects like these that utilize the eDP
freaking awesome
You deserve a spot on Nerd Nest's next podcast, or a spotlight by someone like Gardiner Bryant.
I've been wanting Valve to collaborate with Framework to make something like this for a while now. Great work.
You should look at getting custom ribbon cables made. That will dramatically cut down on the lost space due to wires inside.
It would also be pretty neat if you made a version with no screen, that uses AR Glasses. That could reduce weight and size, and possibly increase battery life.
Instead of vapor smoothing, try fuzzy skin!
Wow, the MSI Claw 2 is looking pretty good!
😂
I think PCBWAY can turn those controller mount + wires into a neat clean pcb + ribbon cables.
Steam! Hire this guy please!
for the os, i'm wondering how bazzite would work. it's based on fedora, says they are compatible with framework mainboards, and have the steam deck ui as well. i'm using it on a lenovo legion go with it and it feels just like a steam deck.
Im looking into it! I installed it on another computer i have. I'll probably install it on this thing soon. I really like it, and i like Kde Plasma too
Once there is a more refined solution I will do this. Easily list of parts, PCB, and shells from PCB WAY. This would be a killer product.
That intro had me rolling 😂😂
Please make a GP2040-CE tutorial 🙏 it wasn’t too hard to install but I’m struggling with the web configuration and how to add joysticks.
How does it compete compare to the other handhelds like the steam deck or rog ally
Ideas for the 9" build
1. double battery
2. better thermal solution
just wanna throw in my 2 cents on the choice of switches for the face buttons.
mechanical keyboard switches are cool, they're really fun to try out for keyboards, but I really feel that they're best used when typing, and would probably make for a pretty sloppy experience in a controller for video games. The travel that those switches give is great when typing or even WASD gaming but game controllers usually use rubber dome or clicky switches that have very little travel and I think there's a reason for that, less travel means a faster response time between deciding on an action and having it appear onscreen.
of course, I haven't held the controller so I have no idea. and after all, to each their own.
Using a hall effect switch for the trigger though is a galaxy brain idea though.
You can have a screw that stops at a certain position. Just look at things like the original ender 3 spool holder
About the vapor smoothing and the clear coat: have you tried going the opposite way? I.e. fuzzy skin
does this controller have gyroscope sensor for motion controls? if not is it possible to add this function afterwards?
It does not, but it would be possible to add. It just becomes a fw issue at that point. The open source fw I'm using(GP2040-CE) does not support it, so I would have to write my own fw or find something that works.
good project
Do you have the link for that eDP to HDMI board? I have been looking for one for my framework board for a bit.
Sure!
www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803925212777.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.4.21ef1802z3eQuq&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa
No promises that it will work with your screen, but it seems to work well
You could make the device thinner by making custom pcb for the buttons instead of a random plastic slab
This is very wonderful, and I liked how you placed all these wires and stuffed them into this square or rectangle, and your use of keyboard pressures. I hope you will issue your own device. Can you tell me about the device’s specifications and I will continue with the wonderful content and until the 100,000? Subscriber Note: I used Google Translate. Your follower is from Kuwait
You can use textured spray paint, even in select sections to get the grip you want.
Oh interesting. I wonder if there is one that is like a rubberized grip
The back panel could use similar method to old laptops where it is latch removable. Also try integrating rumble and gyro.
Yea, I was thinking something like that, too. But yea, rumble and gyro would be nice, but that seems pretty hard fw wise. Especially gyro. Will look into it tho!
You should try out Bazzite for a Linux OS next time. It has support for framework hardware, and it's a gaming distro set up specifically for Steam Deck like hardware.
I've been looking into it actually!
:) Bet you have offers on your product! Designer engineers like you are pretty special :)
Is there a BOM available some where for this?
I really love this project but in your next version I really want to see it like the play station portal but with pc part inside
Great video! Have you considered Bazzite?
Just heard of it recently! I look more into it. Seems pretty fully featured
Edp connector?........ I'm not the only one thinking about it. Right?
also, question. could you put steam OS or whatever the name was on it?
MVP
Looks great. Halfway between a Framework and a Steam Deck. The Framedeck. PS: I do phone repairs and for the screens I use B7000 glue. I've never tried hot glue before haha.
Is it better than the Steam Deck OLED? Maybe price is better?
@@KarcusKorpse I don’t think that it is possible to beat the steamdeck performance/ price wise, since valve makes no money on the deck itself.
Nice!
Would love to see someone make the real working version of ps portal .. the design is insane and I play on switch and my hands do go numb after a while. So a portal type design where it's just not streaming but running on the device itself ..I searched TH-cam but no one has made it yet ..maybe it can be your next project 😅
I just love how it looks like "ROG ally at home"
Love the project, I am working on a mini pc version and was wondering if you can publish the rp2040 firmware?
I didn't make the FW. I used this gp2040-ce.info/ with the premade uf2 for the waveshare zero. I had to use the built-in web configurator to set up the analog sticks and button pins
Ty, its extremely intuitive to use. Currently working on adapting to my own project. I took inspiration and working on a pcb for controlers and mcu.
Great video. Do you think it would be difficult to act trackpads and have them work as they do on the steam deck? I'm guessing it's not simple at all.
Yea, it won't be easy, but it is something i am currently looking into rn. Will hopefully be a video in a month or 2.
I'm considering doing something similar, but i think of something smaller with trackpads. Or just buy another Deck and slap on top of Steam Controller in clamshell fashion lol