Some Atop the Fourth Wall episodes to double check my references: Angel Punisher is from Punisher: Purgatory (he's turned into a Black Guy too!) Incestuous Scarlet Witch is from Ultimates 3 (the Ultimate Universe) Spider-Man selling his marriage to the Devil is from One More Day And Gwen Stacy getting pregnant from Norman Osborn is from Sins Past.
so, Jadow... judging by the "quality" of the 3 most recent games reviewed, this one included, is it safe to say a 3rd list of Worst Games You've Played is frighteningly close to fruition?
Don't forget they've tried turning Punisher into FrankenCastle, a HYDRA agent, and War Machine! I will never understand why in 7 Hells some people at Marvel try these weird things with Punisher in the regular universe to make him more "acceptable". At least Space Punisher is set in an alternate universe. Same thing with Cosmic Ghost Rider. Just let Punisher be Punisher and make good stories with him! It's not that hard!
probably too late now, but the fatalities in this game work like this: Your health bar has 2 points to keep in mind. One is the actual amount of full health you have left, and the other is the "DANGER" level. When you take damage a black line slide down your health bar and slow grows back to the actual amount of health you have left. its like a temporary low point for your health. Around about a 5th of the entire health bar is when the word "DANGER" will appear above the health bar. When a fighter Has the word "DANGER" above their health bar that means they are venerable to a fatality which is executed by doing a super grab on them when the Word "DANGER" is showing. So basically you could combo someone to the point where the black line passes the "DANGER" threshold point and do the finishing move even though the full length of remaining health is still quite full. Nowhere in the game does it explain this, I just figured it out on my own back in the day. That's why it seemed like the AI was cheating by comboing you into a finishing move. But you would be totally forgiven for not knowing this, the game simply wasn't properly polished and it shows. Even after playing it for hours as a kid I still don't know how proper blocking works or how sometimes super grabs are simply canceled by the AI just because they want to. I would say "hope that helped", but I doubt if you will ever pick the game up again lol
You know, the idea of having to play as the opposing faction inbetween missions and potentially killing other playable characters is interesting. Imagine a campaign building up to a climactic final battle between two sides, with every mission transitioning between both sides and having the player decide what loss the other side suffers. You can make one side strong by only targeting the shittier characters in the death battle missions meaning the final battle will be lopsided at the risk of your own powerful characters dying in the process.
True but he does have a point, aside from that cult-following nobody really talks about the Dreamcast. Hell the only times in casual chatting about video games I've heard someone bring it up is when someone is slagging off on the controller and/or pointing out how much of an utter failure it was.
The Dreamcast was only mediocre at best, even if it hadn't died off embarrassingly quick it was a joke compared to the other 6th gen consoles. The only reason it has a cult following is because of how badly it failed so naturally the people who were suckered by it keep overhyping it to hell and back to try to convince themselves that they weren't screwed over. Main reason the Wii U's been forgotten is because the Switch replaced it entirely, otherwise there'd be equally obnoxious and zealous Wii U worshipers desperately yelling that it's "totality the best console of all time!"
So Jadow shits on PC Gamers...then he shits on PSP people...and now he's flinging shit at Dreamcast people... Man, this Jadow guy is SO FUN to be around! What's next, if you like the Game Gear, he'll ban you from his channel if you comment?
@@MartianRobusta Eh, it's clear that he's just referring to THOSE kinds of fans. You know the ones, the people who put these things up on sacred pedestals and act like they were God's gift to gaming and will just not hear anything that suggests otherwise and will promptly go to war with anyone who disagrees.
@@the-aspiring-creator4249 His Twitter messages say otherwise. Complaining that any games from the Dreamcast can be found on any other console and that modding/jailbreaking the console is not a unique thing. I don't even hold the Dreamcast on a pedestal (I prefer the PS2) and it STILL sounds like he's flinging shit at people. Just because someone likes a console doesn't give you right to act with hostility towards them. It's why I was very weary of Jadow after his PC gaming rant in the "I don't give a dook" video.
@@MartianRobusta Something tells me if people are messaging him anyway because they are bothered by an opinion he has on a system? Honestly just think about what that looks like for a second. Imagine if you're someone who looks through their Twitter only to see a complete stranger going to you about personal opinions you held on a console when really that's none of their business.
something i noticed about Spiderman, is that the lighting makes the webs on his costume look like its the Sam Raimi movie suit, though this ones a bit better since the eyes can actually move around, BAZING!!!
Quick notes from someone who dedicated time to this game and completed the story mode numerous times (which sound like they were covered early on): Always block (restores super bar), throw your enemy if they’re blocking, finishers can happen any time when you have low health as long as your health bar says “Danger” (characters that mysteriously pull off their finisher despite being away from you are using their super grab that’s ranged, including Spider-Man, Venom, Hazmat, and Storm and your primary health bar is near death while your secondary health bar reduces your maximum health), don’t aggressively fight the bosses and find their windows to attack, exploit items whenever you can, the early characters are garbage (Wolverine, Thing, Elektra, Storm) and the last characters you unlock (Iron Man, Venom, Brigade Paragon, Niles Van Roekel) are OP as hell for having great strength and range, and yes, it sucks that Hulk gets offed by one of the many spaceships you kill easily later on by jumping and grabbing. In terms of the plot, the Imperfects (in debt to Roekel for resurrecting/saving them) are hunting for Paragon after she escapes as Van Roekel created her to be his perfect weapon to liberate his home planet (the Paragon army was just a hypothetical image but yeah I can see where your confusion is coming from) and of course the Imperfects become heroes at the end despite them killing off nearly the whole Marvel roster with Paragon as their leader.
So basically what Marvel Nemesis is sorely lacking: • Combination moves, grappling moves, & special moves. • Alternate skins & costumes. • Non-repetitive game-mechanics. • Non-faulty gameplay-balance. • Game modes (such as arcade, co-op, survival, missions, & training). • An earlier game that focuses on the X-Men, with Marvel Nemesis as it's sequel. • A well-written plot and settings that makes sense. • Non-ripoff OCs that give justice to the iconic Marvel legends. • Different story-modes for each character with good, bad, and neutral endings. • A roster that's less like vanilla Street Fighter EX2, but better than Marvel Ultimate Alliance's list.
You perform fatalities by using super grabs (Grab them while pressing the super power button) if your opponent has the word "danger" hovering on their healthbar, which usually hovers there if you're primary health bar is low, regardless of where your secondary one is. That's why the A.I. was able to insta-kill you so quickly when you played Hazmat.
The second health gauge acts as a limiter for how much health you can regenerate. As you take damage, you can only recover less and less of your health. However, if you drain the enemy's real health gauge you can finish them off quickly when the secondary health is still over half (4:55). It works nearly identically to the health system in Def Jam: Fight for NY. Both games let you eliminate enemies with 70%+ secondary health left if the primary health is too low (they're in "danger"). In fact, the health gauge in both games look similar in some aspects including having a Danger label pop up when you're low on health. Also the similarities don't stop there, there's also a "Blaze" mode that acts similarly to the rage mode in Marvel Nemesis which needs to be charged up and when activated you get to activate flashy finishers that eliminate the enemy. Neither game requires you to go into the mode to finish them off, however, you can use finishers such as weapon attacks in Def Jam and the special moves in Marvel Nemesis. In fact, they sound similar. Did they base Marvel Nemesis off their Def Jam codebase?
I also had that problem with The Imperfects. They hardly do anything in the story aside from fight the Marvel characters. The main Imperfect femail character is the only one that plays a part here.
The most noteworthy thing about this game was that its developer, Nihilistic Software, previously developed a build of the canceled Starcraft: Ghost. After this game, the studio developed Conan, Zombie Apocalypse, PlayStation Move Heroes, Resistance: Burning Skies, and Call of Duty: Black Ops - Declassified. Soon after Declassified was released, the company closed down.
@JojoMonReturns91 This is up for debate, of course, but one of the things Sony was aiming to push was a dedicated FPS with multiplayer support for the Vita. The only two major FPS games that released within the first year of the Vita's life were Resistance Burning Skies and Call of Duty Black Ops Declassified, both of which were developed by Nihilistic. The former was considered a very mediocre game at best, while the latter was a complete dumpster fire. Well, after Black Ops Declassified's failure, I never noticed any major ads for the Vita ever again. It was literally as though Sony had decided "If Call of Duty won't sell it, nothing will!" The only time I recall any kind of frequent advertising afterward was when the Borderlands 2 Vita bundle was announced, but sadly the Borderlands 2 port was not very good either. The Vita did finally get a good FPS with Killzone Mercenary, but by then it was too late, as Sony basically wasn't making any effort to market it anymore. There were a bunch of other factors that caused the Vita's failure, but I think that Black Ops Declassified's failure essentially doomed it for good.
Wait, so you can kill Venom before he has a chance to kill Spiderman? That sets up a good concept for a fighting game; having branching storylines depending on which characters are alive or dead... too bad they don't do anything with it in this game.
Something not mentioned in this review is that Paragon is arguably the MOST broken character in this game because of all the playable characters in this game, she's the only one who has a super move that can restore health mid-combat. Her super grab move where she impales her opponents internal organs with her arm scythe things will restore a pretty decent chunk of her health each and every time you use the move. And you can pretty much use it so long as you've got energy available. Oh and it DOESN'T MATTER if your opponent manages to block the stab move, it's so horribly implemented that you'll still get the health bonus even if your opponent blocks the super grab. Doesn't make much of a difference in story mode cuz of how poorly balanced the combat mechanics are, but in the 1v1 matches with other heroes it gives her a deceptively massive advantage over anyone she's paired against. She's literally a press X to win character in this game, and you can cheese a shitload of fights with her once you figure out how to abuse this completely broken gameplay mechanic. You'd think Wolverine or some other hero with a noteworthy healing ability would also have this same mechanic, but nope. Only Paragon gets this feature. A character that everybody seems to know about, who has massively OP abilities, and is basically a forced self-insert that can easily overpower known and established names in a beloved franchise. EA was ahead of their time, in all of the worst ways one could be ahead of their time. I still have fond memories of trolling the absolute shit out of friends by playing her for this exact reason, so they'd pick Paragon as well once they caught on to how broken she is, and we'd spend a good 30 seconds each match just grab-blocking each other back to full health over and over.
I don't think he actually got that far into it since he says the game has no story since it doesn't tell the player anything about the Imperfects, Roekal, or their connection to the aliens. Eventhough the game almost literally tells the player that Roekal is working with the aliens, had setup every single accident that caused the Imperfects to become his experiments, and was mind controlling them to take out other heroes & villians in preparation for the rest of the alien army coming. This game was also one of those things where Marvel made a tie-in comic to setup some of the plot since it was set before the game.
@@ChaosZero1031 He got a few details wrong in the review but the game really fails to explain important plot details i.e. what happens to the marvel characters, what happens after roekel dies (all we see is paragon and imperfects standing together on a building), are the aliens still alive? I never read the comic but I've heard that the comic only contradicts what happens in the game further
@godofmajora Wolverine does heal over time but not when his claws are extended and it's not that noticeable at first. It is a significant benefit as long as you're not holding R at all times. Paragon is extremely OP and the balancing in this game is fucked. But that's sort of one of the reasons I like this game tbh. The challenge of trying to defeat OP characters like Paragon as a weaker character like Wolverine or Elektra was actually quite fun for me. Or the fun of dominating a weaker opponent with an OP opponent. If you get good enough at the game, you can get really good with some of the lower tier characters. Unfortunately, few would put the time in to doing that but the game can be fun
Semi-related because it's a Marvel game and Spidey's there so; Happy Spider-Man Day, Jadow. Great review on the game. Also I am aware of that storyline that you mentioned and let me tell ya; ever since I watched Linkara's review of it, I hate this storyline more so than One More Day. I wished that storyline was retconed instead of Peter and MJ's marriage.
Yeah I hated that one too! I tried to forget about it and was too focused on one more day that I'm only now remembering it after he just mentioned it! I guess one more day created so much hatred in me that it overlapped and got that storyline forgotten about! But yeah I'm in great agreement with you that I prefer that storyline to be forgotten over one more day being retconned if I had to choose one! As much as I enjoy Peter and Mary Jane they really really shouldn't have s*** on my girl Gwen Stacy! I mean why the f*** would she cheat on Peter with Norman? Much less why Norman would show interest in her in the first damn place I mean if I remember straight he didn't know Pete's identity up until he kidnapped and killed Gwen! So why the f*** would he care to sleep around with some teenage girl. I know he knew Peter through his friendship with Harry! But then again I keep forgetting the writers tend to forget Norman's character at times! I was surprised they actually got his character right in the Marvel Spider-Man game on the PS4 by that I mean his love for his son! They tend to forget that his relationship with Harry was his one redeeming quality! Even had fears of Harry finding out about the whole Green Goblin thing and tried to hide it from him! But I guess ever since Ultimate Spider-Man and the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films they're under an assumption that he doesn't give a damn about Harry! Still a bit pissy about the other one where he had a child with his own son's girl during the whole dark reign debacle! Seriously Marvel makes great stories just like DC and they know how to make really crappy one that you'll never forget just like DC!
I remember forcing myself to juice any semblance of fun out of this game as a kid, to limited success. The lack of a lock-on system, floaty, ineffectual and iffy hitbox melee moves that encourage projectile spam and throwables, questionable character roster, no coherent story... but hey, good thing this came out before microtransactions and DLC packs, where people would probably have to pay to have a proper pick of Marvel legacy characters to play around with like Deadpool or Thor, etc etc.
Just so you know the reason enemies can use finishers on you when you still have loads of health is because the first health bar is low enough. It doesn't matter if you're outer health bar is full, if the inner bar is near empty & it says danger, they can use the finisher. You also need to have a certain amount of energy to do a finisher which is probably why you weren't able to replicate the finisher As someone who is actually very familiar with this game, this game can be fun if you know how to play it properly and you practice. But they don't explain ANYTHING to you beyond a few instructions near the start of the game which tells you the basic controls. And very few people will ever take the time to try to properly learn this game. The plot also isn't properly explained either. It's never established whether the marvel characters are actually dead, or whether they became mind controlled after they were defeated by the imperfects, or what happened to them after the end of the game. And then they just try to quickly explain the plot in the final cutscene but it doesn't really explain anything. I actually enjoy this game but I cannot say it's a good game. Far from it. But it could've been amazing imo There's also lacking content in this game. only 2 game modes, 18 characters (only 10 of which are marvel characters), 7 versus maps (which are also constantly re-used in story mode missions). The game has also aged quite poorly with the graphics and stuff and with the MCU but it actually looked quite good for the time. Obviously in 2020 it doesn't look good with the bad graphics and this odd dark feel of the marvel universe
And Power Stone was from Capcom, and they did care about it including an animated series and a PSP port. And then they left it abandoned along with their other off shoot fighters
The Dreamcast was nowhere near as popular as obnoxious Sega fans on twitter would make you think, it had around 5 minutes of spotlight then quickly became old news.
Well apparently Power Stone was big enough to get an anime, which was big enough to get 2 seasons, which were big enough to get dubbed and have the 1st season air on YTV..... Oh and there was a PSP port
Any time you or your opponent has “danger* flash over your health bar, it makes them prone to a fatality move that triggers when you press a super throw. One of my favourite aspects of this game was seeing all the heroes kill each other with ridiculously brutal finishers. Seriously, seeing Wolverine hack Spider-Man into spider sushi is permanently ingrained into my brain.
But you can also see why Marvel was extremely pissed with this game, I mean you take the time to setup a Marvel contract to use their characters, and you opt to just throw them out and insert your own characters... that's a sure-fire way to getting not only that contract ripped up but also being blacklisted by that company so it can't happen again,
@@MatthewCenance He took a hit while recovering which prompted him to be in danger again. It’s a very quick system and honestly exploitable. Hell, there’s one range in this game where you can throw a tank at someone and they’re pretty much fucked after that.
actually The Thing does have projectiles, a few of his attacks trigger a shock wave like Hulks Thunder Clap thingy, its not much range but its still arms length away
To get perform a fatality, you just have to deplete your opponents health bar and press the grab button while holding the special power button. The button that make Wolverine pop up his claws.
To do the fatalities, I believe the first health bar (the one that depleted faster/the shield) has to be in the “danger” zone, and then you have to go for a power throw.
The roster that Marvel Nemesis should've had: M A R V E L C H A R A C T E R S • Black Panther • Blade • Elektra • Ghost Rider (Phantom Rider alternate skin) • Iron Man (War Machine alternate skin) • Luke Cage • Magneto • Moon Knight (Prowler alternate skin) • Silver Surfer • Spider-Man (Scarlet Spider alternate skin) • Storm • Thing • Venom • Wolverine I M P E R F E C T C H A R A C T E R S • Brigade • Fault Zone • Hazmat • Johnny Ohm • Niles Van Roekel • Paragon • Solara • Wink E X C L U S I V E C H A R A C T E R S • Black Widow (PC only) • Captain America (PSP only) • Daredevil (PS2, XBOX, Gamecube & DS only) • Deadpool (PS3, XBOX 360, Wii, & 3DS only) • Doctor Doom (PSP only) • Hulk (PS3, XBOX 360, Wii, & 3DS only) • Human Torch (PS2, XBOX, Gamecube & DS only) • Punisher (PC only)
Yeah, this game sets in it's own timeline. Not the main comics continuity. You certainly feels this need to bring up Peters misery for some reason but not bring up Wolverine's or Daredevil's.
You ask me, while Wolverine and Daredevil have certainly their share of misery and woe? Spider-Man just takes it to an absurd level because no matter the continuity, it feels like just EVERYTHING bad has to happen to the poor dude.
@@the-aspiring-creator4249 As a Spider-Man fan, I think it's an overboard statement, especially comparing to other versions of the character. It's just the lack of evidence. But what does it matter what I think? I'm just a guy with a different opinion.
@@UnrealNeoBat I mean it is but at the same time? I think it's kind of fun to joke about just how much Peter Parker's life in the comics is just one never-ending stream of misery.
Bit of a shame that this was the best they could do with the Def Jam framework because the first two Def Jams were really good. I remember enjoying this back in the day, but...well, things age. Another thing to note is how hard they were (not) trying to emulate the movie continuities, which is why you have shiny-webbing Spidey and Magneto who doesn't look like Ian Macallan at all. It...only works when everyone's in step. See: Storm. And the fact that you don't see the Human Torch not on fire at any point so they don't have to try and imitate Chris Evans. As you've noted, there was some tie-ins in the form of comics. Issue is that it...kinda is irrelevant to the plot because it introduces plot points that are never brought up. Also as noted, Paragon IS meant to be an amalgamation of the other Imperfects - the others were just a bunch of (presumably failed-but-still-productive) lab experiments given orders to kill and little else.
The wink is one of my favorite marvel characters and she’s the reason I love girls with their face concealed. Too bad she’s never been in anything since
They're not bad but I see what Jadow was getting at because WOW have I seen some SEGA fans who speak like they would do some truly unholy things if it meant the Dreamcast 2 would be a real thing.
@@the-aspiring-creator4249 Yeah, as much as I like the Dreamcast and find its premature death unfortunate, realistically it's a good thing Sega pulled out of the first party market when they did, or else they may not have even survived to today. A successor to the Dreamcast is almost certainly not going to happen because Sega is already doing decently well in the third party market and wouldn't dare to take the big risk that would come with trying to make a new system and hoping it's successful enough to justify it. As for the PSP, I'd say it's inappropriate to call it a failure or a forgotten piece of hardware (sadly that distinction would go to its successor, the Vita). It didn't sell nearly the amount of units as the original DS, but it still sold quite well and still has quite a few quality exclusives for it.
You and me both brother. I always wanted to play the Dreamcast since one Racing game I wanted to try was Wacky Races (I am a huge fan of Wacky Races btw). I dont care much for what DarkLordJadow1's opinion about the PSP or Dreamcast really since that was kinda uncalled for him to say that in the video. It be like me if I said that Uncharted the videogame as well as Last of Us were horrid games since they used Neil Drunkermann's scripts (even though Neil only worked on Uncharted 4 and both Last of Us games and trust me, unlike Amy Hening, he's a bad influence, unlike Amy). Or even unironically complain about Rodea the Sky Soldier on btoh Wii U and Wii just because of its reputation. Its not fair to just go what reviewers say sometimes. So you're fine.
20:39 I don't understand how you could be THIS bad at this EASY game. Just HOLD the SPECIAL trigger and ALL your attacks and grabs will be powerful. When I used Magnetto I barelly moved, just pull random objects and throw them back to them over and over again... ...Its that easy... 😞 ...And you can fly BTW...
Such a bad game, but man I miss this more "mature" era of Marvel. I would give anything for this formula of a Marvel arena fighter game to return over another 2D fighter though. But, as far as cult classics go, I do kinda respect this bleak clunky fanfic however.
If feel I should mention that the developers intentionally made the characters unbalanced, if electra fights iron man she is going to have a hell of a time trying to beat him.
Wait...so Marvel have no problem killing the marvel heroes and become zombies but they hate any media that kills off marvel characters like this game & a Halloween horror night 2002 Carnage Maze
Basically killing off fan favorite characters effortlessly to twist the story in a direction nobody saw coming. Except Last Of Us 2 did it better because at least they HAVE a story about how far is too far for revenge, karma and the loss of self-identity and the characters that they did kill off were important to both Ellie and Abby’s arcs as opposing characters; Joel’s murder was necessary evil in order to kick off the events in motion for the story they wanted to tell.
@@DariusFrench6273 I honestly didn't care, since that game was boring as hell and none of the new characters were all that interesting to begin with. Quite frankly, I felt like the game tried way too hard to make me feel bad for killing people even though the combat is way more fun than the story. Maybe it's my cold heart or misanthropic attitude, but I just never cared about the story or felt bad about the characters, the only reason why I got the game in the first place was because it was free.
@@rachelzhou1590 that’s about the a good bulk of the criticism TLOU2 has received outside the angry mobs of people pissed at Naughty Dog for killing off Joel in the first place
What's that? Captain America dies in a very early cutscene? And you do not get to play as him at all (except in the PSP version)? well, there goes any chance I have of playing this pile of slug vomit!
Funny how EA has tried to copy all popular stuff. - World of Warcraft: EA said to Bioware, give me that. Thus. Star wars: Old repulic. - Destiny: EA said to Bioware give me that. Thus. Anthem. - Marvel. EA said to developer, give me that. Thus. Marvel rise of imperfects.
actually i just realized, i kinda do the same thing that EA did with marvel here, killing off beloved heroes to kick off their own series, thing is though, i do it with just one hero (well 2 and one villain, but one is out of heroic symbolsim, the other is out of petty) in my fan stories i actually wrote that batman and joker are dead, long dead, superman dies two but thats when he fought doomsday, i really do that just to show there are more heroes to focus on
14:02 "ill have this anonymous woman kill dare devil, he sucks and his levels suck" 😂😂😂 I just played through the story couple days ago I find myself agreeing and chuckling at everything you've said in this video.
my thoughts on which company laughed at marvel telling them "nobody cares about those losers" im pretty sure it was both, knowing how fox and sony are, it wouldnt be that surprising
I actually liked the Power Stone styled layout, adds a level of strategy that you can't get on a 2d fighting game specially with acrobatic characters like Daredevil and Spiderman
To be honest from the looks of it that planet the Paragon clones were over was not Earth but the bad guys home planet, and the game should have ended with the clones shooting into the planet to start taking it back from the aliens (tm). Would have at least made the plot make sense. Oh and the other imperfects would have been just test dummies for what was being installed into Paragon, and all discarded when the experiments were a success. But why bother taking 2 minutes to explain that? Also, I love the design of the Wink character.
So, I know you don't care, but the reason why the AI was able to do a "Fatality" on you when you had a good chunk of health left is due to the "DANGER" risk. Once your health drops below a certain amount, usually halfway, then you'll see the "DANGER" text appear above your health. Any time that text appears, the enemy or you (depending on who is at "DANGER" risk.) can powered grab the other to perform a finishing move. That's basically the mechanic.
That makes sense... but the big problem with that is the fatalities themselves are BUSTED to hell. Considering how easy it is to completely break the combat either with projectiles or thrown objects, how for the most part you're too busy focusing on trying to stay alive and figure out the clunky controls to even see your health, how early the prompt can appear and also just the fact it is really, REALLY stupid to make a prompt like that when Mortal Kombat and almost every other fighting game that has used this kind of prompt beforehand uses it as purely an indicator for how low your health is and NOT as a sign that you can pull off a finisher, it really just adds to the game's list of problems.
It's very easy to just talk crap about this game, but I find it to have a lot of redeeming qualities in it, mostly in terms of artwork and atmosphere. The 2d art in the menu is beautiful, the shading and the green, Matrix-like tint gives it a very cool vibes, the FMV segments looks oddly mature and not something you wouldn't expect to see in a Marvel comics tie-in. I can go on and on about things I love about this game, but there's no point now is it? The game's still very hated. P.S: The PSP and Dreamcast are awesome, shame on you.
@@jediknightgeo yep the gameplay is very unpolished, but in my opinion it shouldn't bring the whole game down. It might sound pretentious but atmosphere and artstyle of a game can really inspire me just like any other form of art, so gameplay sometimes doesn't matter that much to me.
ACKCHYUALLY, Power Stone is a Capcom IP, it just happened to be a Dreamcast console exclusive and that's why it can be confused with SEGA. Still waiting for a modern day port, some day it may happen. Also i'm one of the 3 people still caring about the PSP. Wich coincidentally had a port of Power Stone, so it all comes full circle. -Teo
If you've played One Piece Grand Battle/Adventure, then you've played Power Stone. The camera angles, the arena size, the jumping physics, and the emphasis on getting power-ups, basically all taken from Power Stone, which is a fun game.
EAs other fighting games Def jam vendetta and Def jam fight for NY has the exact same health mechanic as this game but the Def jam games don't suck like this game does
That one if I recall was just kind of an average beat-em-up for kids. Not great by any means but certainly not the worst you could do with the Spider-Man license.
Gee a game in a franchise that tries to get you invested in a new character by having said character kill off a beloved character from the previous installment, MAN I WONDER WHAT THAT REMINDS ME OF?!? (Stares Daggers at Last of Us Part 2).
There are actually cheat codes to unlock cards of Solara, Storm, and Elektra in bikinis. Storm's ironically probably covers more of her body than her default costume does.
I remember playing this on the Ps2 as a kid. I kept playing Spiderman, wolverine, and Paragon multiple times. Looking back on this as a adult today, this game is awful. Terrible controls, weak story, and the fact that EA was involved makes my stomach turn. I guess back in my childhood, I had very low standards to the point that I would play anything that caught my attention.
Same I played this game when I was little since I always played as Spider Man (who was my favorite superhero and childhood hero) Venom (Since I also did liked Venom) and Hazmat (who I based one of my My hero academia Villian oc after)
8:27 I was tired of watch heroes win, it was fresh air to see them dying. More when I discovered this was a parallel universe. CryBabies complaining about DeadHeroes when HardcoreFans knows that Marvel's universe share properties with Midway's MortalKombat's Universe: "...NO ONE STAY DEAD!!!..." Quoted by: EdBoon.
I had to look at the wiki to see whats after the games events and they do go to that planet where Roeckel came from to fight a creature and are never heard of ever again. To give it a benefit, the characters individually without this alien plot, it could work in the 90's. Like Brigaid is actually 100 guys stiched together though the machine parts and johnny ohm is a excon that wouldnt die from the chair , thats kinda cool. too bad they are sent to the dark side of the mu universe where the characters that they dont wanna acknowledge are sent, like Hemo-goblin . also i dont know if anyone has mentioned it but paragon is totally a witchblade ripoff, just without the mythicalness
Oh this game... this game. I remember seeing once on a video about it a bunch of comments saying something along the lines of "The critics never got this game. It was the first Marvel game for adults and unlike Injustice, you could KILL your opponent. They just wanted another kiddie game."
So, the game is basically just “Let’s have these average joes kill everyone’s favourite Marvel heroes”: The Game. I played this game when I was a kid, it really aged horribly.
@@Darklordjadow1 Alright. Have you watched the show Bunsen is a Beast? Honestly, out of everything that I've seen out of Nickelodeon so far, this is the most annoying show.
Its also funny because their was one character who actually was used after this game. Hazmat (the goop guy) was in Marvel Universe Vs The Avengers #1. They later said that the artist legit got things mixed up and they were meant to draw hazmat from the young avengers but instead draw hazmat from the imperfects 😂 hazmat and the rest of the imperfects havent been seen in anything outside of this game, the comic series tieing into it and that one mistake.
This game was an alternative for me when I couldn't find a Marvel game made by Capcom at the time. It was 2008 so it wasn't a year later when Marvel vs Capcom 2 gets an HD release. A month or 2 later I finally found a ps1 copy of Marvel Superheroes and I barely touched nemesis since.
@@Darklordjadow1 that’s awful pretty much The thing is the only one we know who truly survive due to him being in human torches story and and everyone else being mind controlled or possibly dead by the imperfects. This games story has lots of plot wholes and needed more marvel characters for and actually have a more interesting story rather then hey here’s a marvel character fighting an original character and then there gone and then it goes repeat.
Not only do all of the Marvel heroes (presumably) die and/or get brainwashed, the final scene shows that all of the Imperfects that killed/brainwashed them got away scot-free. Reformed or not, they expressed no visible guilt over their actions.
Awesome review 🙂 I remember this game just came and went like it was nothing. And knowing that Daredevil is in THIS fighting game for consoles, but not Marvel vs Capcom (other than a cameo in MvC3), is baffling. I know he's in Contest of Champions, but that's just for phones and arcade. Can we PLEASE just get a damn Daredevil game already! Hell there was gonna be one back in the 2000s, but it got canned. There was a GBA tie-in game for the 2003 movie, though, but I doubt anyone talks about it, and probably not favorably.
Some Atop the Fourth Wall episodes to double check my references:
Angel Punisher is from Punisher: Purgatory (he's turned into a Black Guy too!)
Incestuous Scarlet Witch is from Ultimates 3 (the Ultimate Universe)
Spider-Man selling his marriage to the Devil is from One More Day
And Gwen Stacy getting pregnant from Norman Osborn is from Sins Past.
so, Jadow... judging by the "quality" of the 3 most recent games reviewed, this one included, is it safe to say a 3rd list of Worst Games You've Played is frighteningly close to fruition?
Don't forget they've tried turning Punisher into FrankenCastle, a HYDRA agent, and War Machine! I will never understand why in 7 Hells some people at Marvel try these weird things with Punisher in the regular universe to make him more "acceptable". At least Space Punisher is set in an alternate universe. Same thing with Cosmic Ghost Rider. Just let Punisher be Punisher and make good stories with him! It's not that hard!
All of those things I want Retconned NOW Man
i knew it, thank you linkara, for giving us knowledge of comics without us having to read them, thankfully in some cases
So whenever you health says danger you can do a fatality
probably too late now, but the fatalities in this game work like this:
Your health bar has 2 points to keep in mind. One is the actual amount of full health you have left, and the other is the "DANGER" level. When you take damage a black line slide down your health bar and slow grows back to the actual amount of health you have left. its like a temporary low point for your health. Around about a 5th of the entire health bar is when the word "DANGER" will appear above the health bar. When a fighter Has the word "DANGER" above their health bar that means they are venerable to a fatality which is executed by doing a super grab on them when the Word "DANGER" is showing.
So basically you could combo someone to the point where the black line passes the "DANGER" threshold point and do the finishing move even though the full length of remaining health is still quite full.
Nowhere in the game does it explain this, I just figured it out on my own back in the day. That's why it seemed like the AI was cheating by comboing you into a finishing move. But you would be totally forgiven for not knowing this, the game simply wasn't properly polished and it shows. Even after playing it for hours as a kid I still don't know how proper blocking works or how sometimes super grabs are simply canceled by the AI just because they want to.
I would say "hope that helped", but I doubt if you will ever pick the game up again lol
You know, the idea of having to play as the opposing faction inbetween missions and potentially killing other playable characters is interesting. Imagine a campaign building up to a climactic final battle between two sides, with every mission transitioning between both sides and having the player decide what loss the other side suffers. You can make one side strong by only targeting the shittier characters in the death battle missions meaning the final battle will be lopsided at the risk of your own powerful characters dying in the process.
So this is basically Marvel Fanfiction: The Game, except it's made by EA.
Except even fanfiction knows how to do things right. This is not a good example of that.
@@shcdemolisher sometimes, other times they dont
@@shcdemolisher wait why are y'all trying to shit on this game it's actually pretty good and extremely underrated i got the comic tie ins as well
"Nobody cares about the Dreamcast."
Well, it does have a cult following and sizable fanbase.
There was still more love to it than the WiiU.
True but he does have a point, aside from that cult-following nobody really talks about the Dreamcast. Hell the only times in casual chatting about video games I've heard someone bring it up is when someone is slagging off on the controller and/or pointing out how much of an utter failure it was.
The Dreamcast was only mediocre at best, even if it hadn't died off embarrassingly quick it was a joke compared to the other 6th gen consoles. The only reason it has a cult following is because of how badly it failed so naturally the people who were suckered by it keep overhyping it to hell and back to try to convince themselves that they weren't screwed over.
Main reason the Wii U's been forgotten is because the Switch replaced it entirely, otherwise there'd be equally obnoxious and zealous Wii U worshipers desperately yelling that it's "totality the best console of all time!"
It’s good for shmups, just like the Saturn
@@elin111 how would a 2023 PSP look like?
"Nobody cares about the Dreamcast"
What have you done?! Do you realize what you've just--OH GOD THEY'RE COMING!!! THE DREAMCAST FANS ARE COMING!!!
So Jadow shits on PC Gamers...then he shits on PSP people...and now he's flinging shit at Dreamcast people...
Man, this Jadow guy is SO FUN to be around! What's next, if you like the Game Gear, he'll ban you from his channel if you comment?
@@MartianRobusta I dunno, I'm a PC gamer. No ban yet!
*Knocks on wood*
@@MartianRobusta Eh, it's clear that he's just referring to THOSE kinds of fans. You know the ones, the people who put these things up on sacred pedestals and act like they were God's gift to gaming and will just not hear anything that suggests otherwise and will promptly go to war with anyone who disagrees.
@@the-aspiring-creator4249 His Twitter messages say otherwise. Complaining that any games from the Dreamcast can be found on any other console and that modding/jailbreaking the console is not a unique thing.
I don't even hold the Dreamcast on a pedestal (I prefer the PS2) and it STILL sounds like he's flinging shit at people. Just because someone likes a console doesn't give you right to act with hostility towards them. It's why I was very weary of Jadow after his PC gaming rant in the "I don't give a dook" video.
@@MartianRobusta Something tells me if people are messaging him anyway because they are bothered by an opinion he has on a system? Honestly just think about what that looks like for a second. Imagine if you're someone who looks through their Twitter only to see a complete stranger going to you about personal opinions you held on a console when really that's none of their business.
something i noticed about Spiderman, is that the lighting makes the webs on his costume look like its the Sam Raimi movie suit, though this ones a bit better since the eyes can actually move around, BAZING!!!
Quick notes from someone who dedicated time to this game and completed the story mode numerous times (which sound like they were covered early on): Always block (restores super bar), throw your enemy if they’re blocking, finishers can happen any time when you have low health as long as your health bar says “Danger” (characters that mysteriously pull off their finisher despite being away from you are using their super grab that’s ranged, including Spider-Man, Venom, Hazmat, and Storm and your primary health bar is near death while your secondary health bar reduces your maximum health), don’t aggressively fight the bosses and find their windows to attack, exploit items whenever you can, the early characters are garbage (Wolverine, Thing, Elektra, Storm) and the last characters you unlock (Iron Man, Venom, Brigade Paragon, Niles Van Roekel) are OP as hell for having great strength and range, and yes, it sucks that Hulk gets offed by one of the many spaceships you kill easily later on by jumping and grabbing. In terms of the plot, the Imperfects (in debt to Roekel for resurrecting/saving them) are hunting for Paragon after she escapes as Van Roekel created her to be his perfect weapon to liberate his home planet (the Paragon army was just a hypothetical image but yeah I can see where your confusion is coming from) and of course the Imperfects become heroes at the end despite them killing off nearly the whole Marvel roster with Paragon as their leader.
why would the danger health work like that mortal kombat did it right
So basically what Marvel
Nemesis is sorely lacking:
• Combination moves, grappling moves, & special moves.
• Alternate skins & costumes.
• Non-repetitive game-mechanics.
• Non-faulty gameplay-balance.
• Game modes (such as arcade, co-op, survival, missions, & training).
• An earlier game that focuses on the X-Men, with Marvel Nemesis as it's sequel.
• A well-written plot and settings that makes sense.
• Non-ripoff OCs that give justice to the iconic Marvel legends.
• Different story-modes for each character with good, bad, and neutral endings.
• A roster that's less like vanilla Street Fighter EX2, but better than Marvel Ultimate Alliance's list.
Put simply, EVERYTHING!
You perform fatalities by using super grabs (Grab them while pressing the super power button) if your opponent has the word "danger" hovering on their healthbar, which usually hovers there if you're primary health bar is low, regardless of where your secondary one is. That's why the A.I. was able to insta-kill you so quickly when you played Hazmat.
Wait, why's there even a second health bar if only the first one matters?
The second health gauge acts as a limiter for how much health you can regenerate. As you take damage, you can only recover less and less of your health. However, if you drain the enemy's real health gauge you can finish them off quickly when the secondary health is still over half (4:55).
It works nearly identically to the health system in Def Jam: Fight for NY. Both games let you eliminate enemies with 70%+ secondary health left if the primary health is too low (they're in "danger"). In fact, the health gauge in both games look similar in some aspects including having a Danger label pop up when you're low on health. Also the similarities don't stop there, there's also a "Blaze" mode that acts similarly to the rage mode in Marvel Nemesis which needs to be charged up and when activated you get to activate flashy finishers that eliminate the enemy. Neither game requires you to go into the mode to finish them off, however, you can use finishers such as weapon attacks in Def Jam and the special moves in Marvel Nemesis.
In fact, they sound similar. Did they base Marvel Nemesis off their Def Jam codebase?
I also had that problem with The Imperfects. They hardly do anything in the story aside from fight the Marvel characters. The main Imperfect femail character is the only one that plays a part here.
The most noteworthy thing about this game was that its developer, Nihilistic Software, previously developed a build of the canceled Starcraft: Ghost. After this game, the studio developed Conan, Zombie Apocalypse, PlayStation Move Heroes, Resistance: Burning Skies, and Call of Duty: Black Ops - Declassified. Soon after Declassified was released, the company closed down.
Wait, this game was made by the developer that effectively doomed the PlayStation Vita? No wonder...
How did Nilistic Games doom the PSVita? Explain to me this?
@JojoMonReturns91 This is up for debate, of course, but one of the things Sony was aiming to push was a dedicated FPS with multiplayer support for the Vita. The only two major FPS games that released within the first year of the Vita's life were Resistance Burning Skies and Call of Duty Black Ops Declassified, both of which were developed by Nihilistic. The former was considered a very mediocre game at best, while the latter was a complete dumpster fire.
Well, after Black Ops Declassified's failure, I never noticed any major ads for the Vita ever again. It was literally as though Sony had decided "If Call of Duty won't sell it, nothing will!" The only time I recall any kind of frequent advertising afterward was when the Borderlands 2 Vita bundle was announced, but sadly the Borderlands 2 port was not very good either. The Vita did finally get a good FPS with Killzone Mercenary, but by then it was too late, as Sony basically wasn't making any effort to market it anymore.
There were a bunch of other factors that caused the Vita's failure, but I think that Black Ops Declassified's failure essentially doomed it for good.
Wait, so you can kill Venom before he has a chance to kill Spiderman? That sets up a good concept for a fighting game; having branching storylines depending on which characters are alive or dead... too bad they don't do anything with it in this game.
I don’t think they died lol. Probably defeated and Rokel used the mind chip to control them
Something not mentioned in this review is that Paragon is arguably the MOST broken character in this game because of all the playable characters in this game, she's the only one who has a super move that can restore health mid-combat. Her super grab move where she impales her opponents internal organs with her arm scythe things will restore a pretty decent chunk of her health each and every time you use the move. And you can pretty much use it so long as you've got energy available. Oh and it DOESN'T MATTER if your opponent manages to block the stab move, it's so horribly implemented that you'll still get the health bonus even if your opponent blocks the super grab.
Doesn't make much of a difference in story mode cuz of how poorly balanced the combat mechanics are, but in the 1v1 matches with other heroes it gives her a deceptively massive advantage over anyone she's paired against.
She's literally a press X to win character in this game, and you can cheese a shitload of fights with her once you figure out how to abuse this completely broken gameplay mechanic.
You'd think Wolverine or some other hero with a noteworthy healing ability would also have this same mechanic, but nope. Only Paragon gets this feature.
A character that everybody seems to know about, who has massively OP abilities, and is basically a forced self-insert that can easily overpower known and established names in a beloved franchise. EA was ahead of their time, in all of the worst ways one could be ahead of their time.
I still have fond memories of trolling the absolute shit out of friends by playing her for this exact reason, so they'd pick Paragon as well once they caught on to how broken she is, and we'd spend a good 30 seconds each match just grab-blocking each other back to full health over and over.
If this game was made today, they would call it feminist propaganda despite that some females are so weak in this game.
I don't think he actually got that far into it since he says the game has no story since it doesn't tell the player anything about the Imperfects, Roekal, or their connection to the aliens.
Eventhough the game almost literally tells the player that Roekal is working with the aliens, had setup every single accident that caused the Imperfects to become his experiments, and was mind controlling them to take out other heroes & villians in preparation for the rest of the alien army coming.
This game was also one of those things where Marvel made a tie-in comic to setup some of the plot since it was set before the game.
@@ChaosZero1031 He got a few details wrong in the review but the game really fails to explain important plot details i.e. what happens to the marvel characters, what happens after roekel dies (all we see is paragon and imperfects standing together on a building), are the aliens still alive? I never read the comic but I've heard that the comic only contradicts what happens in the game further
@godofmajora Wolverine does heal over time but not when his claws are extended and it's not that noticeable at first. It is a significant benefit as long as you're not holding R at all times. Paragon is extremely OP and the balancing in this game is fucked. But that's sort of one of the reasons I like this game tbh. The challenge of trying to defeat OP characters like Paragon as a weaker character like Wolverine or Elektra was actually quite fun for me. Or the fun of dominating a weaker opponent with an OP opponent. If you get good enough at the game, you can get really good with some of the lower tier characters. Unfortunately, few would put the time in to doing that but the game can be fun
Semi-related because it's a Marvel game and Spidey's there so; Happy Spider-Man Day, Jadow. Great review on the game. Also I am aware of that storyline that you mentioned and let me tell ya; ever since I watched Linkara's review of it, I hate this storyline more so than One More Day. I wished that storyline was retconed instead of Peter and MJ's marriage.
Yeah I hated that one too! I tried to forget about it and was too focused on one more day that I'm only now remembering it after he just mentioned it! I guess one more day created so much hatred in me that it overlapped and got that storyline forgotten about! But yeah I'm in great agreement with you that I prefer that storyline to be forgotten over one more day being retconned if I had to choose one! As much as I enjoy Peter and Mary Jane they really really shouldn't have s*** on my girl Gwen Stacy! I mean why the f*** would she cheat on Peter with Norman? Much less why Norman would show interest in her in the first damn place I mean if I remember straight he didn't know Pete's identity up until he kidnapped and killed Gwen! So why the f*** would he care to sleep around with some teenage girl. I know he knew Peter through his friendship with Harry! But then again I keep forgetting the writers tend to forget Norman's character at times! I was surprised they actually got his character right in the Marvel Spider-Man game on the PS4 by that I mean his love for his son! They tend to forget that his relationship with Harry was his one redeeming quality! Even had fears of Harry finding out about the whole Green Goblin thing and tried to hide it from him! But I guess ever since Ultimate Spider-Man and the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films they're under an assumption that he doesn't give a damn about Harry! Still a bit pissy about the other one where he had a child with his own son's girl during the whole dark reign debacle! Seriously Marvel makes great stories just like DC and they know how to make really crappy one that you'll never forget just like DC!
I remember forcing myself to juice any semblance of fun out of this game as a kid, to limited success. The lack of a lock-on system, floaty, ineffectual and iffy hitbox melee moves that encourage projectile spam and throwables, questionable character roster, no coherent story... but hey, good thing this came out before microtransactions and DLC packs, where people would probably have to pay to have a proper pick of Marvel legacy characters to play around with like Deadpool or Thor, etc etc.
Paragon was the only reason I played this game. She can kick everyone's ass with that teleporting slash
She was OP as fuck
You should have called her "Not-crawler".
DAMN! THAT'S BRILLIANT!
Brilliant indeed or call Johnny Ohm Electro junior.
Just so you know the reason enemies can use finishers on you when you still have loads of health is because the first health bar is low enough. It doesn't matter if you're outer health bar is full, if the inner bar is near empty & it says danger, they can use the finisher. You also need to have a certain amount of energy to do a finisher which is probably why you weren't able to replicate the finisher
As someone who is actually very familiar with this game, this game can be fun if you know how to play it properly and you practice. But they don't explain ANYTHING to you beyond a few instructions near the start of the game which tells you the basic controls. And very few people will ever take the time to try to properly learn this game.
The plot also isn't properly explained either. It's never established whether the marvel characters are actually dead, or whether they became mind controlled after they were defeated by the imperfects, or what happened to them after the end of the game. And then they just try to quickly explain the plot in the final cutscene but it doesn't really explain anything. I actually enjoy this game but I cannot say it's a good game. Far from it. But it could've been amazing imo
There's also lacking content in this game. only 2 game modes, 18 characters (only 10 of which are marvel characters), 7 versus maps (which are also constantly re-used in story mode missions). The game has also aged quite poorly with the graphics and stuff and with the MCU but it actually looked quite good for the time. Obviously in 2020 it doesn't look good with the bad graphics and this odd dark feel of the marvel universe
"Nobody cares about the Dreamcast"
I literally just bought one today at a yard sale :/
And Power Stone was from Capcom, and they did care about it including an animated series and a PSP port. And then they left it abandoned along with their other off shoot fighters
I sold mine and downloaded the emulator. Cost me 5 bucks for dream. Its awesome and...xbox controller.
@@lightspeedmurphy7546 the psp had both on one and two powerstones right? Shout out to Fokker
The Dreamcast was nowhere near as popular as obnoxious Sega fans on twitter would make you think, it had around 5 minutes of spotlight then quickly became old news.
I bought one recently too XD
Well apparently Power Stone was big enough to get an anime, which was big enough to get 2 seasons, which were big enough to get dubbed and have the 1st season air on YTV..... Oh and there was a PSP port
Any time you or your opponent has “danger* flash over your health bar, it makes them prone to a fatality move that triggers when you press a super throw. One of my favourite aspects of this game was seeing all the heroes kill each other with ridiculously brutal finishers. Seriously, seeing Wolverine hack Spider-Man into spider sushi is permanently ingrained into my brain.
But you can also see why Marvel was extremely pissed with this game, I mean you take the time to setup a Marvel contract to use their characters, and you opt to just throw them out and insert your own characters... that's a sure-fire way to getting not only that contract ripped up but also being blacklisted by that company so it can't happen again,
@@cursedhawkins1305 do you have this game
What about 4:55? He suddenly died by an attack that was initiated when he wasn't in danger, the danger text only popped up AFTER the attack started!
@@cursedhawkins1305 Mortal Kombat got the fatalities right
aka you dont just get a fatality at 50% health
@@MatthewCenance He took a hit while recovering which prompted him to be in danger again. It’s a very quick system and honestly exploitable. Hell, there’s one range in this game where you can throw a tank at someone and they’re pretty much fucked after that.
I remember playing this game on the psp with my friend. I actually really liked it
actually The Thing does have projectiles, a few of his attacks trigger a shock wave like Hulks Thunder Clap thingy, its not much range but its still arms length away
To get perform a fatality, you just have to deplete your opponents health bar and press the grab button while holding the special power button. The button that make Wolverine pop up his claws.
Slagging of the Dreamcast before the 5 minute mark. You sir, are a far braver man than I.
To do the fatalities, I believe the first health bar (the one that depleted faster/the shield) has to be in the “danger” zone, and then you have to go for a power throw.
Thank god seven year old me dodged a bullet and played Marvel vs Capcom 2 on the PlayStation 2. Instead of this crap.
20:41
"You just get banged around like a pinball, man!"
I had a hard time trying to keep my laughter contained. No offence.
Personally I think the Imperfects are a cool cast of characters. Shame we didn't get more with them.
You just reminded me that I purposely bought a PSP so I can play as Dr Doom
The roster that Marvel
Nemesis should've had:
M A R V E L C H A R A C T E R S
• Black Panther
• Blade
• Elektra
• Ghost Rider (Phantom Rider alternate skin)
• Iron Man (War Machine alternate skin)
• Luke Cage
• Magneto
• Moon Knight (Prowler alternate skin)
• Silver Surfer
• Spider-Man (Scarlet Spider alternate skin)
• Storm
• Thing
• Venom
• Wolverine
I M P E R F E C T C H A R A C T E R S
• Brigade
• Fault Zone
• Hazmat
• Johnny Ohm
• Niles Van Roekel
• Paragon
• Solara
• Wink
E X C L U S I V E C H A R A C T E R S
• Black Widow (PC only)
• Captain America (PSP only)
• Daredevil (PS2, XBOX, Gamecube & DS only)
• Deadpool (PS3, XBOX 360, Wii, & 3DS only)
• Doctor Doom (PSP only)
• Hulk (PS3, XBOX 360, Wii, & 3DS only)
• Human Torch (PS2, XBOX, Gamecube & DS only)
• Punisher (PC only)
Yeah, this game sets in it's own timeline. Not the main comics continuity. You certainly feels this need to bring up Peters misery for some reason but not bring up Wolverine's or Daredevil's.
You ask me, while Wolverine and Daredevil have certainly their share of misery and woe? Spider-Man just takes it to an absurd level because no matter the continuity, it feels like just EVERYTHING bad has to happen to the poor dude.
@@the-aspiring-creator4249 As a Spider-Man fan, I think it's an overboard statement, especially comparing to other versions of the character. It's just the lack of evidence. But what does it matter what I think? I'm just a guy with a different opinion.
@@UnrealNeoBat I mean it is but at the same time? I think it's kind of fun to joke about just how much Peter Parker's life in the comics is just one never-ending stream of misery.
@@the-aspiring-creator4249 Okay, you do you then.
@@the-aspiring-creator4249 At least Peter didn't kill his own children. (That honor goes to wolvie)
Bit of a shame that this was the best they could do with the Def Jam framework because the first two Def Jams were really good. I remember enjoying this back in the day, but...well, things age.
Another thing to note is how hard they were (not) trying to emulate the movie continuities, which is why you have shiny-webbing Spidey and Magneto who doesn't look like Ian Macallan at all. It...only works when everyone's in step. See: Storm. And the fact that you don't see the Human Torch not on fire at any point so they don't have to try and imitate Chris Evans.
As you've noted, there was some tie-ins in the form of comics. Issue is that it...kinda is irrelevant to the plot because it introduces plot points that are never brought up. Also as noted, Paragon IS meant to be an amalgamation of the other Imperfects - the others were just a bunch of (presumably failed-but-still-productive) lab experiments given orders to kill and little else.
*Now that’s what I call a web-slinging ass kicking*
Nobody cares about the Dreamcast? Thems fighting words.
The wink is one of my favorite marvel characters and she’s the reason I love girls with their face concealed. Too bad she’s never been in anything since
The imperfects could’ve been a solid group if they were in their own universe and actually flushed out.
Really hated this game's clunkiness, happy to see you tear it apart.
Also, I like the PSP and Dreamcast.
I still have my PSP, even after all these years.
@@mattc2306 I still have mine, but the face buttons don't work anymore.
They're not bad but I see what Jadow was getting at because WOW have I seen some SEGA fans who speak like they would do some truly unholy things if it meant the Dreamcast 2 would be a real thing.
@@the-aspiring-creator4249 Yeah, as much as I like the Dreamcast and find its premature death unfortunate, realistically it's a good thing Sega pulled out of the first party market when they did, or else they may not have even survived to today. A successor to the Dreamcast is almost certainly not going to happen because Sega is already doing decently well in the third party market and wouldn't dare to take the big risk that would come with trying to make a new system and hoping it's successful enough to justify it.
As for the PSP, I'd say it's inappropriate to call it a failure or a forgotten piece of hardware (sadly that distinction would go to its successor, the Vita). It didn't sell nearly the amount of units as the original DS, but it still sold quite well and still has quite a few quality exclusives for it.
You and me both brother. I always wanted to play the Dreamcast since one Racing game I wanted to try was Wacky Races (I am a huge fan of Wacky Races btw).
I dont care much for what DarkLordJadow1's opinion about the PSP or Dreamcast really since that was kinda uncalled for him to say that in the video.
It be like me if I said that Uncharted the videogame as well as Last of Us were horrid games since they used Neil Drunkermann's scripts (even though Neil only worked on Uncharted 4 and both Last of Us games and trust me, unlike Amy Hening, he's a bad influence, unlike Amy).
Or even unironically complain about Rodea the Sky Soldier on btoh Wii U and Wii just because of its reputation. Its not fair to just go what reviewers say sometimes.
So you're fine.
20:39 I don't understand how you could be THIS bad at this EASY game. Just HOLD the SPECIAL trigger and ALL your attacks and grabs will be powerful.
When I used Magnetto I barelly moved, just pull random objects and throw them back to them over and over again...
...Its that easy... 😞
...And you can fly BTW...
I feel like Im the only one who LOVED this game, I don’t ever remember it being terrible. Yet again, I was 8 when it came out
Same. As a kid, I thought this game was a masterpiece
I never been so early to one of your videos. That I was the second commenter good time man love your videos
Such a bad game, but man I miss this more "mature" era of Marvel. I would give anything for this formula of a Marvel arena fighter game to return over another 2D fighter though. But, as far as cult classics go, I do kinda respect this bleak clunky fanfic however.
If feel I should mention that the developers intentionally made the characters unbalanced, if electra fights iron man she is going to have a hell of a time trying to beat him.
While it’s not good, I do like the Soundtrack.
Glad I'm not the only one who was infuriated by that lady
Wait...so Marvel have no problem killing the marvel heroes and become zombies but they hate any media that kills off marvel characters like this game & a Halloween horror night 2002 Carnage Maze
The mind control devices are the save icon on the PS2 version
Interesting how this game did the Last of Us 2 thing way before that game even existed.
What thing?
Basically killing off fan favorite characters effortlessly to twist the story in a direction nobody saw coming. Except Last Of Us 2 did it better because at least they HAVE a story about how far is too far for revenge, karma and the loss of self-identity and the characters that they did kill off were important to both Ellie and Abby’s arcs as opposing characters; Joel’s murder was necessary evil in order to kick off the events in motion for the story they wanted to tell.
@@DariusFrench6273 oh ok
@@DariusFrench6273 I honestly didn't care, since that game was boring as hell and none of the new characters were all that interesting to begin with.
Quite frankly, I felt like the game tried way too hard to make me feel bad for killing people even though the combat is way more fun than the story.
Maybe it's my cold heart or misanthropic attitude, but I just never cared about the story or felt bad about the characters, the only reason why I got the game in the first place was because it was free.
@@rachelzhou1590 that’s about the a good bulk of the criticism TLOU2 has received outside the angry mobs of people pissed at Naughty Dog for killing off Joel in the first place
What's that? Captain America dies in a very early cutscene? And you do not get to play as him at all (except in the PSP version)? well, there goes any chance I have of playing this pile of slug vomit!
You're a captain America fan... Everything you say is irelevant
@@shiestyrecords3225 and who are you a fan of?
@@barer7717 easy.... Quiksilver
Funny how EA has tried to copy all popular stuff.
- World of Warcraft: EA said to Bioware, give me that. Thus. Star wars: Old repulic.
- Destiny: EA said to Bioware give me that. Thus. Anthem.
- Marvel. EA said to developer, give me that. Thus. Marvel rise of imperfects.
Half your complaints are explained in the instruction manual lol...
actually i just realized, i kinda do the same thing that EA did with marvel here, killing off beloved heroes to kick off their own series, thing is though, i do it with just one hero (well 2 and one villain, but one is out of heroic symbolsim, the other is out of petty) in my fan stories i actually wrote that batman and joker are dead, long dead, superman dies two but thats when he fought doomsday, i really do that just to show there are more heroes to focus on
14:02 "ill have this anonymous woman kill dare devil, he sucks and his levels suck" 😂😂😂 I just played through the story couple days ago I find myself agreeing and chuckling at everything you've said in this video.
Could be Marvel's Avengers and Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League.🤷🏻♀️
my thoughts on which company laughed at marvel telling them "nobody cares about those losers" im pretty sure it was both, knowing how fox and sony are, it wouldnt be that surprising
I actually liked the Power Stone styled layout, adds a level of strategy that you can't get on a 2d fighting game specially with acrobatic characters like Daredevil and Spiderman
Oh, I remember this! This is that Marvel Comics fighting game developed by the creators of Vampire The Masquerade: Redemption, isn't it?
21:53 When DANGER is in your HealthBar, its actually means RUN!!!
...Because you/they can/may Trigger a FinishMove. 😎👍
To be honest from the looks of it that planet the Paragon clones were over was not Earth but the bad guys home planet, and the game should have ended with the clones shooting into the planet to start taking it back from the aliens (tm). Would have at least made the plot make sense.
Oh and the other imperfects would have been just test dummies for what was being installed into Paragon, and all discarded when the experiments were a success.
But why bother taking 2 minutes to explain that? Also, I love the design of the Wink character.
Since Venom is in this game I think it's appropriate to say that this game is a turd in the wind.
Hey, Jadow have you watched Transformers prime? Because I thought the Wii U game was awesome.
Spiderman and venoms power throws are O.P.
So, I know you don't care, but the reason why the AI was able to do a "Fatality" on you when you had a good chunk of health left is due to the "DANGER" risk. Once your health drops below a certain amount, usually halfway, then you'll see the "DANGER" text appear above your health. Any time that text appears, the enemy or you (depending on who is at "DANGER" risk.) can powered grab the other to perform a finishing move. That's basically the mechanic.
That makes sense... but the big problem with that is the fatalities themselves are BUSTED to hell. Considering how easy it is to completely break the combat either with projectiles or thrown objects, how for the most part you're too busy focusing on trying to stay alive and figure out the clunky controls to even see your health, how early the prompt can appear and also just the fact it is really, REALLY stupid to make a prompt like that when Mortal Kombat and almost every other fighting game that has used this kind of prompt beforehand uses it as purely an indicator for how low your health is and NOT as a sign that you can pull off a finisher, it really just adds to the game's list of problems.
It's very easy to just talk crap about this game, but I find it to have a lot of redeeming qualities in it, mostly in terms of artwork and atmosphere. The 2d art in the menu is beautiful, the shading and the green, Matrix-like tint gives it a very cool vibes, the FMV segments looks oddly mature and not something you wouldn't expect to see in a Marvel comics tie-in. I can go on and on about things I love about this game, but there's no point now is it? The game's still very hated.
P.S: The PSP and Dreamcast are awesome, shame on you.
I agree about the production values, but the most important factor, the gameplay itself, is garbage.
@@jediknightgeo yep the gameplay is very unpolished, but in my opinion it shouldn't bring the whole game down.
It might sound pretentious but atmosphere and artstyle of a game can really inspire me just like any other form of art, so gameplay sometimes doesn't matter that much to me.
ACKCHYUALLY, Power Stone is a Capcom IP, it just happened to be a Dreamcast console exclusive and that's why it can be confused with SEGA. Still waiting for a modern day port, some day it may happen.
Also i'm one of the 3 people still caring about the PSP. Wich coincidentally had a port of Power Stone, so it all comes full circle.
-Teo
If you've played One Piece Grand Battle/Adventure, then you've played Power Stone. The camera angles, the arena size, the jumping physics, and the emphasis on getting power-ups, basically all taken from Power Stone, which is a fun game.
EAs other fighting games Def jam vendetta and Def jam fight for NY has the exact same health mechanic as this game but the Def jam games don't suck like this game does
Oof... I fear what your opinion would be of Spiderman Friend or Foe...
That game from what I rememebered wasnt as bad since it was fun playing the villians since they were good. ;)
That one if I recall was just kind of an average beat-em-up for kids. Not great by any means but certainly not the worst you could do with the Spider-Man license.
Have you tried the Jak and Daxter games on the PS4? The first installment is Jak and Daxter The Precursor Legacy.
First mistake: giving EA the power with beloved franchises.
Joseph yeh ea did make the old haryy potter games rember
I actually enjoyed this game when I was younger. In hindsight I was young.
14:28 You know you can dodge, grab, "block" and recover from hits in MidAir, right? 😏
No wonder I never bought this game because this game looks like it was in development for 2 months
Gee a game in a franchise that tries to get you invested in a new character by having said character kill off a beloved character from the previous installment, MAN I WONDER WHAT THAT REMINDS ME OF?!? (Stares Daggers at Last of Us Part 2).
Fault Zone, Solara and Paragon are waifu material XD
Solara especially. Her victory cutscenes are practically softcore
There are actually cheat codes to unlock cards of Solara, Storm, and Elektra in bikinis.
Storm's ironically probably covers more of her body than her default costume does.
@@Darklordjadow1 hoyoverse would be proud
If an alien army can kill the Hulk in seconds, than I think its safe to say the rest of the marvel heroes are kinda fucked
I honestly had no issue with the game I loved it just wish they put more love in it and characters like they did in the PSP version
any reference to the weird comic stories jadow mentions can be found in Linkara Reviews, again, he cant make that up
20:17 - 20:24
Im wheezing, that was funny
I played the PSP version so I didn't get to see the real story but the combat was fun
I remember playing this on the Ps2 as a kid. I kept playing Spiderman, wolverine, and Paragon multiple times. Looking back on this as a adult today, this game is awful. Terrible controls, weak story, and the fact that EA was involved makes my stomach turn. I guess back in my childhood, I had very low standards to the point that I would play anything that caught my attention.
Same, seems so different nowadays.
Same I played this game when I was little since I always played as Spider Man (who was my favorite superhero and childhood hero) Venom (Since I also did liked Venom) and Hazmat (who I based one of my My hero academia Villian oc after)
Honestly, the first moment with the imperfects seems like a great way to trick the player. It sounded awesome. But it has no reason to be there.
8:27 I was tired of watch heroes win, it was fresh air to see them dying. More when I discovered this was a parallel universe.
CryBabies complaining about DeadHeroes when HardcoreFans knows that Marvel's universe share properties with Midway's MortalKombat's Universe:
"...NO ONE STAY DEAD!!!..."
Quoted by: EdBoon.
I had to look at the wiki to see whats after the games events and they do go to that planet where Roeckel came from to fight a creature and are never heard of ever again.
To give it a benefit, the characters individually without this alien plot, it could work in the 90's.
Like Brigaid is actually 100 guys stiched together though the machine parts and johnny ohm is a excon that wouldnt die from the chair , thats kinda cool.
too bad they are sent to the dark side of the mu universe where the characters that they dont wanna acknowledge are sent, like Hemo-goblin .
also i dont know if anyone has mentioned it but paragon is totally a witchblade ripoff, just without the mythicalness
Man it’s no wonder EA was named worst company in America
Loving these new videos
Keep up the good work ❤️❤️❤️
Oh this game... this game. I remember seeing once on a video about it a bunch of comments saying something along the lines of "The critics never got this game. It was the first Marvel game for adults and unlike Injustice, you could KILL your opponent. They just wanted another kiddie game."
So it's just Snyder fans
Always hated the original characters in this and called it Rise of the Fugly Ass Uglies
Considering the aliens appear and disappear in green smoke, I think you just fight the same four aliens for the entire game.
So, the game is basically just “Let’s have these average joes kill everyone’s favourite Marvel heroes”: The Game.
I played this game when I was a kid, it really aged horribly.
Why does wolverine look like an edgy teenager on the character select menu ... I haven't fully watched the video yet just had to point that out.
Thats a brotha for sure lol
Because Edgy Teenager might as well be credited as the game's art designer
Fun fact Jadow, the back of the neck is called the nape.
Am I the only one who actually loved this game 🤷
Nope, a lot of us do. This guy is just being a hater.
A lot of people like this game. He just hate it cause he sucks at it.
Have you tried the Ben 10 2016 video game? It's on PC, PS4 and Switch.
I don't know jack about Ben 10, so... no, I have not played its 2016 game or any of its other games.
@@Darklordjadow1 Alright. Have you watched the show Bunsen is a Beast? Honestly, out of everything that I've seen out of Nickelodeon so far, this is the most annoying show.
@@aditanasa2518 if i had to obtain one object from the show it would probably be the spray because i eat it and funny stuff
Its also funny because their was one character who actually was used after this game.
Hazmat (the goop guy) was in Marvel Universe Vs The Avengers #1.
They later said that the artist legit got things mixed up and they were meant to draw hazmat from the young avengers but instead draw hazmat from the imperfects 😂
hazmat and the rest of the imperfects havent been seen in anything outside of this game, the comic series tieing into it and that one mistake.
This game was an alternative for me when I couldn't find a Marvel game made by Capcom at the time. It was 2008 so it wasn't a year later when Marvel vs Capcom 2 gets an HD release. A month or 2 later I finally found a ps1 copy of Marvel Superheroes and I barely touched nemesis since.
Before that, I bought the Nintendo DS version of the game on my 13th birthday along with Sonic Gems Collection.
F in the chat for Jadow, for he hast brought the wrath of the Dreamcast fandom down upon his channel.
It's like two people, so eh.
I actually like this game
You're allowed to like trash
Wait so all the Marvel heroes died?
YUUUP!
You can save maybe two or three
@@Darklordjadow1 that’s awful pretty much The thing is the only one we know who truly survive due to him being in human torches story and and everyone else being mind controlled or possibly dead by the imperfects. This games story has lots of plot wholes and needed more marvel characters for and actually have a more interesting story rather then hey here’s a marvel character fighting an original character and then there gone and then it goes repeat.
Not only do all of the Marvel heroes (presumably) die and/or get brainwashed, the final scene shows that all of the Imperfects that killed/brainwashed them got away scot-free. Reformed or not, they expressed no visible guilt over their actions.
Awesome review 🙂
I remember this game just came and went like it was nothing. And knowing that Daredevil is in THIS fighting game for consoles, but not Marvel vs Capcom (other than a cameo in MvC3), is baffling. I know he's in Contest of Champions, but that's just for phones and arcade. Can we PLEASE just get a damn Daredevil game already! Hell there was gonna be one back in the 2000s, but it got canned. There was a GBA tie-in game for the 2003 movie, though, but I doubt anyone talks about it, and probably not favorably.