Yeah no worries we all just wanted to point out the impact Summoning have on an entire subgenre. I dont know what subgenre i love the most , preety much everything has something to enjoy. i could go from satanic warmaster to mesarthim or moonlight sorcery and enjoy equally. Lately am stuck with stormkeep's galdrum and the classic vittra from naglfar.
@@HandtuchAufDerLiegeImUrlaub I would put Caladan Brood, Firienholt and Can Bardd in the Epic Black Metal subgenre. All of which I like a lot. These are all medieval-sounding and therefore quite "folky", and also atmospheric. Then you've got bands like Drengskapur, should they be put in the Atmospheric BM pile? If so, there is a huge difference between them and Eldamar, for instance.
@@TheSerpentKingbtw, its kind of a random message, but you should check Profanum - Flowers of our Black Misantrophy. They are kind of similiar artists. When u check on them (maybe) give me some feedback ;p i ve already listened it like 30 times, just like Limbonic back these days
@@TheSerpentKing damn I have that too. It was actually back in 2001. I found Moon in the Scorpio and was hooked. Mine are in rough shape but still play. I could never part with them, mine. 💀
Exactly what i think. Enslaved is good example. Their first "Yggdrasill" is worth listening. "Vikingligr Veldi" is my favorite among all albums. After the «Eld» it was kind of bad, not in my taste mostly, but still some songs are exception. To the point of «Axioma Ethica Odini» it is all was one big experiment. And after (including) Axioma it was great again, reborn to prog black. However, «E» was last thing i liked, not a fan of new stuff.
Dude, there are only TWO Black Metal subgenres: Trve Kvlt and Poser Crap. Having said that, congrats for your excelent taste. Blackgaze is the Trvest Shit.
@@ahsoka5385 Isn't pagan black metal just blackened folk metal? And why do we considered themes to be genres? If a christian was creating black metal about his religion that sounded exactly like pagan metal, would it be not pagan metal?
Great list! I would put folk black metal on S because of bands like Moonsorrow and industrial bm on A, I like it, for example bands like Mysticum. And I also think first wave is easy S because of Bathory alone :)
I recommend you to listen first and second Bal-Sagoth albums. They classified as symphonic black metal. They are very good. With longs songs which are not boring at all.
Symphonic Black Metal: C Folk/Black Metal: A NSBM: C (Just want to point out that it is good musically. Just the political lyrics itself are not my cup of tea.) Pagan Black Metal: B Blackgaze: B- Atmospheric Black Metal: A+ Black/Thrash Metal: B Progressive Black Metal: B- DSBM: B-? Avant-Garde Black Metal: C- (Way too much experimental stuff isn't my thing.) Melodic Black Metal: A Post-Black Metal: B- Viking Metal: B+ Blackened Crust: B- Black/Doom Metal: A- First Wave Black Metal: B+ Second Wave Black Metal: S Ambient Black Metal: A+ Raw Black Metal: A- War Black Metal: B Black/Death Metal: B+ Gothic Black Metal: B-? Epic Black Metal: A Industrial Black Metal: B What's not on the list in that video that I'm gonna rank. Christian Black (a.k.a. Unblack) Metal: C (Religious me back then would've ranked that S tier. LOL.) RABM: C
Pale Swordsman album is kind of Gothic Black Metal, no? Next video idea. You recommend us 1 or 2 albums/bands from each of the genres you put in the tier list.
I hadn't listened to "Oak and Aspen" before, so I listened to it now based on your suggestion here, but I don't think it's that great... It has clean vocals, I don't think clean vocals in black metal sound good. If it wouldn't have the clean vocals, I think I would like it.
2:34 I know this list is your personal opinion but you only mentioned alcest and put the genre in c cos it was a bit too friendly, thats fair but my bet would be go through Neige's early discog, through early amesoeurs (ruines humaines), Peste Noire and the tristesse hivernale ep and u might change your mind on blackgaze byou know what i mean? but nice vid still as always, love from Australia
lol at NSBM in B-tier I get it, the sound can be super ambiguous and sound like anything. That's why the genre can only be judged by the lyrics and obviously they have to rank in F-tier
Melodic Black Metal is S Tier 100% Dissection alone carries that torch, Vinterland, Dawn, just so many bands from 93 - 97 that made Melo Black the best genre of Black metal imo. Then you had Abigor, Blut Aus Nord, Gehenna, Keep of Kalessin, Lord Belial moving in with the Atmospheric/Melodic era, which was INCREDIBLE. For me S tiers are, 2nd Wave 88-93 ( Morbid, Bathory, Darkthrone) Melodic Black 93 - 97 (Dissection, Vinterland, Keep of Kalessin, Windir) Atmospheric Black 93 - 97 (Abigor, Burzum, Blut Aus Nord, Ancient Wisdom)
Ok, there you go my tier list: S: atmospheric black metal; black thrash metal; melodic black metal; viking metal; black/death metal; A: dsbm; symphonic black metal; black doom; raw black metal; B: folk black metal; black'n'roll; gothic black metal; industrial black metal; C: post-black metal; blackened crust; D: blackgaze; progressive black metal; ambient black metal; E(not F): avant-garde black metal; Other genres I don't consider genres but terms for classification of age or lyrics, or something else, it doesn't influences the sound
"I made the list, but that was last week" tru words, tru words.. I can't grow out of dsbm, my weights grow heavier with time. In my wasted existence, 😂 🤘💀🔪
Huh...i figured youd be a fan of raw black metal, weird man still F tier is pretty harsh but hey at least you put industrial black metal as one of your favorites.
I've found your channel like 2 weeks ago as I've been getting into black metal since the past few months and gotta say i focking love it and admire how much value and time you've put into this channel spreading knowledge and sharing laughter with funny videos, which I still havent got tire of watching them over and over. Maybe this comment isn't too blackish but whatever, keep it up bro!
It's quite fun with the sub-genres because to me for example Darkthrone and Burzum sound nothing like each other but belong to the same sub-genre, and there a lot of the newer bands that sounds basicly the same but is not grouped together, some are atmospheric, some are ambient etc. Call of the Wretched Sea is awesome! Ahab's newest is also very good, but not as good. Cheers!
S: Black n Roll, Black Thrash Metal, Melodic Black Metal, Viking Metal, Ambient Black Metal, Raw Black Metal, Black/Death Metal A: Pagan Black Metal, Black Doom, First Wave Black Metal, Second Wave Black Metal, B: Symphonic Black Metal, Folk Black Metal, NSBM, Progressive Black Metal, War Black Metal, Gothic Black Metal, Epic Black Metal C: Blackgaze, Atmospheric Black Metal, DSBM, F: Avant-Garde Black Metal, Post Black Metal, Blacked Crust, Industrial Black Metal
Hahh, bunch of bs... Hahha! When I started to listen this genre. There were not that much of subs of course. But back then Dummu was symphonic. And CoF wasnt black enough hahha. Dimmu neither. So it was like Burzum, Mayhem, Marduk, Dark Throne, Emperor. True Black Metal. Which is actually not on the list... Folk was like Falkenbach. I got into BM around 25years ago. World turned inside out hahha
My band is melodic black death with influence from other genres (namely doom on the first album and thrash on the second album) with raw-ish production. So hard to tell whether Farvann would like it (probably) but as he says, only thing that matters is whether I like it.
Borgne is a brilliant black industrial band. So is Ufferndaith but they/he has only released one EP and that was back in 2020. He plays guitar in some indie rock band now which takes up most his music time.
For "gothic black metal" id include things like kekt arahk, though i usually call it "romantic" black metal. I know im biased but i cant get enough of kekt arahk
no. Blackgaze is the best black metal genre in which the genre has evolved. Among the black metal genres, there was no genre that was as fresh and fun as Blackgaze.
Summoning wäre ein Beispiel für Epic Black Metal. Man könnt auch einfach sagen wir machen Atmospheric Black Metal mit n bisschen mehr Bums oooder man erfindet einfach n neues Subgenre ... man kennt es ...
Thorns from Norway are considered Industrial Black Metal. I personally would also consider "Rebel Extravaganza" and "Volcano" by Satyricon industrial black metal albums. But the masters of this disguise are Anaal Nathrakh from UK in my humble opinion. They all manage to still sound very organic to me. Whatever you consider to be outside your favorite taste will be defended by a frenetic supporter.
Under the sign of "progressive black metal" I would place "Ne Obliviscaris"...
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There is another subgenre of black metal worth mentioned in here - blackened hardcore, sometimes also called as dark hardcore. Bands like Deluge, Oathbraker, Supruga, Volan and so on. Dragged Into Sunlight has nothing from crust BTW :) For Blackened Crush you better go for Iskra and Martyrdod
I think Akerocke falls into the Progressive Black Metal category. For Second Wave Black Metal I also have to name drop Setherial, worth checking out. With a band like Mysticum out there, I am surprised why you would hate on industrial black metal, In the Streams of Inferno is a great album.
For me, NSBM should be f for reasons of... fuck nazis. But i understand that many fans of black metal can do with the stupid wordviews of bands like burzum or peste noir separating art for the artist. I'il put the first wave a little higher, because we have bandas like Sarcófago (they deserve more atention on this channel) Samael and also Celtic Frost. Blackgaze and Avant Garde BM are still evolving in some more deep and emotional bands like white ward or uada for example. Blackened Crust is probably mi favorite genre. Bands like wildspeaker, iskra and many others. Black Doom is underated too, bethlehem and the first 2 albuns of katatonia are freaking delicious. Cool List Man, Anyway.
nsbm is f tier cos there is literally no good nsbm. they all suck. gbk for example have a bunch of good riffs and especially interesting drum parts but theyre all over the place and arent even capable of finishing one good song lmao. they have great potential but theyre so frustrating to listen to! first part of parody of the lords supper is fucking great for example but they somehow manage to ruin it all because they suck at song writing. since nazis are actually retarded there is no suprise here. just sad that they cant get their shit together, drop the stupid attitude and focus on writing good songs instead. same goes for burzum. good riffs, good atmosphere, ruined by shitty songwriting.
@@derunsympath Yeah, GBK sounds like a shitty bar band that would play in like the most racist backwater hillbilly town in like Kentucky or somewhere like that. They freaking SUUUUUUCK, dude! I have no earthly idea how Wyattxhim and Quest for Metal can like them so much… It really baffles me.
The black metal sub-genres that I mostly listen to are DSBM, second wave, atmospheric, melodic and ambient black metal. My favorite black metal bands are: Aara, Der Weg einer Freiheit, Darkspace, Vardan, Gorgoroth, Burzum, Cold World, Apati and Windir.
I feel like I really found myself when I first discovered blackgaze. It was like my whole personality and feelings were combined into one with the style. I still listen to it, but as I'm getting older and more conservative, I'm mostly at home with 2nd wave BM.
It's so odd to me when people just ignore Orthodox/Religious Black Metal. Stuff like Ondskapt, Funeral Mist, Ascension, Watain, Mephorash, Ofermod, Blaze of Perdition, Nightbringer, etc - it's a very distinct sound with some of the most interesting songwriting, and people just... completely overlook it?
bcuz its a hidden agenda behind those bands. they like to openly admit to being a religious peasants. batushka for example only uses the subject of orthodox religion but religious bm is just cringe and full of hypocrisy and posers
Farvann are you familiar with Imperium Dekadenz? If so I'm curious how popular they are in your country since they're German. I absolutely love them, but then again I do hold atmo BM as my S tier. Great content as always, thank you!
For me it is perhaps the best subgenre. Thy Light, the first Shining, Silencer, some stuff from Burzum, Sombres Forets, Happy Days, Austere, None, Strid, Leviathan, Xasthur...
Anyone who listened to Obtained Enslavement is bound to love Symphonic Black Metal. Even if the genre is full of cheesy, effortless bands and albums, "Witchcraft" shows just how much potential Symphonic Black Metal has. No other Extreme Metal genres work with orchestra like Black Metal does.
Nice video! I was actually kind of surprised that you mentioned Dragged Into Sunlight for Black Crust, because I always considered them to be Black Death Doom Metal (Metal Archives agree in that point). I would still be interested to see your opinion on some Black Sludge bands such as Keeper, Old Witch, Burning Witch and Graves At Sea. But cool that you included it!
My issue with all the recognized black metal sub genres is that 80% of them are bullshit. The instrumentation for the same genre can be completely different but because they have the same lyrical themes they’re the same genre while in other cases “different” genres can have the same lyrical and instrument styles but because one is about Vikings and the other is about mysticism or something that they’re two different genres. The consideration for composition often times is thrown out the windows and we delegate way too much on what type of music it is when it’s often times just simply black metal to me, more or less because the nuances are so self-important or contradicting that they become meaningless and bloated. Cool list though. I like your videos a lot.
Black Metal as a genre is oversaturated. To many new bands, newcomers, just a few like a needle in the hay bale may surprise me, even from the US there are a few good ones and old school but overall, to much bullshit, uninteresting and unoriginal stuff, one band copies the other band. Bands copy Finnish bands here and there. I listen to bands from the 90´s , early 2000´s and they all had some real spirit in their music. It´s something, I like to come back from time to time. Today it feels like you have to be the most edgy mf around to be into Black Metal and the music is not even good at all. To much stuff sounds artificial, to sterile.. there is no spirit at all. Especially I mean the edgelords, who think "Satan" is the only thing that is important in the lyrics. Yet, most don´t even know what real Satanism is. It´s not some guys lurking in the woods with candles and singing mantras to Satan. They don´t have a clue what the real inner circles are doing. A reason, why I don´t want even be part of this "Scene". I stopped to care about it, hitting my 30´s now. I am glad, my edgy "TRVE" years are over. Stopped taking everything to serious. I just think, some people in the scene are still stuck in the past and think, they can be real rebels and change the world by bashing against a weakened religion called Christianity. It´s easy to go against a religion, which became weaker and get no response back. Yet, no one talks about Islam in Europe, because there they all are to pussy to do something. Christianity is not a treat now, we have way more serious problems.
Viking metal is not a subgenre, as its defined by it lyrical theme, rather than the instrumental style. So Sabaton, Kreator and Amon Amarth would fall into the same genre.
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I would never expect you to be such a fan of industrial black metal
😂😂 Hahaha.... you fell for it!! You didn't see the video. You skipped to the end! But it shows you kind of know him. Cool.
@@mcalvrd6110 its irony
"I consider the second wave to be between the first and the the third..."
Farvann became Smartvann ^^
Atmospheric Black Metal deserves "S". Summoning, Evilfeast, Gallowbraid...Summoning alone already takes the genre to the "S" rank
agree 100%
I very much agree, but it is all personal opinion, personally I’m not a huge fan of raw black metal, but Farvann is
Yeah no worries we all just wanted to point out the impact Summoning have on an entire subgenre. I dont know what subgenre i love the most , preety much everything has something to enjoy. i could go from satanic warmaster to mesarthim or moonlight sorcery and enjoy equally. Lately am stuck with stormkeep's galdrum and the classic vittra from naglfar.
Caladan Brood
@@HandtuchAufDerLiegeImUrlaub I would put Caladan Brood, Firienholt and Can Bardd in the Epic Black Metal subgenre. All of which I like a lot. These are all medieval-sounding and therefore quite "folky", and also atmospheric.
Then you've got bands like Drengskapur, should they be put in the Atmospheric BM pile? If so, there is a huge difference between them and Eldamar, for instance.
Industrial black metal is also my favorite genre, we have similar tastes!
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shuuuuuuree it's every one favourite here....
Aborym..
Mysticum, Thorns, Spektr, Diabolicum, Control Human Delete.
😂😂Hahaha.... you fell !!! You skipped to the end!
Don't worry, this wasn't a lazy video. After all, you created the tier list yourself.^^
Final tierlist at: 11:57.
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WHAT?! INDUSTRIAL BLACK METAL?
goodbye.
ROKI IS A MEMBER AGAIN
@@Farvann OF COURSE I AM!!!
progressive black metal is black metal but with band members with music theory haha
nailed it
If NSBM is a sub-genre, then White / Christian Black Metal is also.
And I just discovered there is Muslim Black Metal
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Brother we don't talk about Christian metal. Christian Black Metal is like glam metal. Both are the metal genres retarded cousin.
That’s Unblack Metal, but I agree with you.
Along with RABM, Democratic Black Metal and Ancap Black Metal
What about Antifa Black Metal? And yes, there is 😅 heared a Lot of Songs about killing Nazis and stuff, like "we are more hatefull then them" 😂
I've just started crying at 11:21 lol. This guy never disappoints
Limbonic Art is the epitome of symphonic Black Metal and it's freaking awesome
I still have my 4 disc set I had to special order from a CD store 20yrs ago, lol. Great band 🤘
@@dsbm87 then you have an absolute treasure in your hands. Last time I looked it up Moon in the scorpio CD was offered for over thousand $
@@TheSerpentKingi got a shirt from the "In Abhorrence Dementia" and a patch from the "Moon in a Scorpio". Absolutely love them :)
@@TheSerpentKingbtw, its kind of a random message, but you should check Profanum - Flowers of our Black Misantrophy. They are kind of similiar artists. When u check on them (maybe) give me some feedback ;p i ve already listened it like 30 times, just like Limbonic back these days
@@TheSerpentKing damn I have that too. It was actually back in 2001. I found Moon in the Scorpio and was hooked. Mine are in rough shape but still play. I could never part with them, mine. 💀
Paysage d'Hiver could be mentioned as atmospheric black metal
Or Ambient Black Metal.
Or our favorit Industrial Black Metal
Progressive black metal would be something like enslaved i think. Enslaved is fucking awesome
Enslaved, Orm, Urbain
Exactly
Yeah. I hate Enslaved for that garbage they call black metal these days. :(
@@Mp57navyto be fair, Enslaved haven't refered to themselves as black metal for like 20 years
Exactly what i think. Enslaved is good example.
Their first "Yggdrasill" is worth listening. "Vikingligr Veldi" is my favorite among all albums.
After the «Eld» it was kind of bad, not in my taste mostly, but still some songs are exception. To the point of «Axioma Ethica Odini» it is all was one big experiment. And after (including) Axioma it was great again, reborn to prog black. However, «E» was last thing i liked, not a fan of new stuff.
Dude, there are only TWO Black Metal subgenres: Trve Kvlt and Poser Crap. Having said that, congrats for your excelent taste. Blackgaze is the Trvest Shit.
90% of the BM that I listen to are Atmo & DSBM.
Good vid as always 🏆
Same
@@Damaged_Justice ABM, DSBM and Kanade enjoyer what a sight.
@@txr_devil lol
Folk: moonsorrow
Moonsorrow could fit in the pagan black metal as well (Amazing band by the way)
@@ahsoka5385 Isn't pagan black metal just blackened folk metal? And why do we considered themes to be genres? If a christian was creating black metal about his religion that sounded exactly like pagan metal, would it be not pagan metal?
Great list! I would put folk black metal on S because of bands like Moonsorrow and industrial bm on A, I like it, for example bands like Mysticum. And I also think first wave is easy S because of Bathory alone :)
Falkenbach is definitely worth mentioning
I recommend you to listen first and second Bal-Sagoth albums. They classified as symphonic black metal. They are very good. With longs songs which are not boring at all.
Can't stress enough how much I love Bal-Sagoth. Straight up wizard metal
Symphonic Black Metal: C
Folk/Black Metal: A
NSBM: C (Just want to point out that it is good musically. Just the political lyrics itself are not my cup of tea.)
Pagan Black Metal: B
Blackgaze: B-
Atmospheric Black Metal: A+
Black/Thrash Metal: B
Progressive Black Metal: B-
DSBM: B-?
Avant-Garde Black Metal: C- (Way too much experimental stuff isn't my thing.)
Melodic Black Metal: A
Post-Black Metal: B-
Viking Metal: B+
Blackened Crust: B-
Black/Doom Metal: A-
First Wave Black Metal: B+
Second Wave Black Metal: S
Ambient Black Metal: A+
Raw Black Metal: A-
War Black Metal: B
Black/Death Metal: B+
Gothic Black Metal: B-?
Epic Black Metal: A
Industrial Black Metal: B
What's not on the list in that video that I'm gonna rank.
Christian Black (a.k.a. Unblack) Metal: C (Religious me back then would've ranked that S tier. LOL.)
RABM: C
NSBM maybe have great bands but because of the political aspect it is for me a no go. I dont want to support this type of thinking!
Love NSBM🤘🖤🔥
3:50 enslaved...
ah, they’re super great. love them a lot.
Should have put NSBM into extra SS tier lol
Also you forgot RABM, but propably same as other lyrical based definitons
Nice video nontheless!
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Pale Swordsman album is kind of Gothic Black Metal, no?
Next video idea. You recommend us 1 or 2 albums/bands from each of the genres you put in the tier list.
Nothing is ever close to the sound of "Gallowbraid - Ashen Eidolon", espcially the middle part "Oak and Aspen". 💕
the first black metal album i got on vinyl
Real Masterpiece. Caladan Brood also very good.
I hadn't listened to "Oak and Aspen" before, so I listened to it now based on your suggestion here, but I don't think it's that great... It has clean vocals, I don't think clean vocals in black metal sound good. If it wouldn't have the clean vocals, I think I would like it.
give the full album a try, it has fantastic screams too@@Tystros
To this day, I'm angry that Gallowbraid and Caladan Brood have not made any more music. Both of those albums are magnificent.
Haha, great ending.
2:34 I know this list is your personal opinion but you only mentioned alcest and put the genre in c cos it was a bit too friendly, thats fair but my bet would be go through Neige's early discog, through early amesoeurs (ruines humaines), Peste Noire and the tristesse hivernale ep and u might change your mind on blackgaze byou know what i mean? but nice vid still as always, love from Australia
i got some good recommendations if u want to rehear blackgaze a bit
Bro, epic black metal is SUMMONING!
what do you think about annal nathrakh ?
Where is Space / Cosmic Black Metal?
Darkspace 3.11
Oh, never heard. I'm new to BM, and then I love HAWKWIND.... who would be in Cosmic/Space Black Metal ? Bands?
Is it not atmo black?
@@mcalvrd6110 try Darkspace, Mesarthim, Mare Cognitum,
@@thebradester7828 Yes, but no
Can someone recommend some pagan black metal thanks
Cruachan, Moonsorrow, Falkenbach, Winterfylleth.
@@Zagradotryad thanks 🤘🤘
What he is saying: Blackgaze
What youtube subtitles say: *Black gays*
lol at NSBM in B-tier
I get it, the sound can be super ambiguous and sound like anything. That's why the genre can only be judged by the lyrics and obviously they have to rank in F-tier
Then you have to rank everything by the lyrics and 80% of it goes in F tier.
@@Squant exactly
Symphonic black is dimmu borgir, cradle of flirth and other famous black metal bands with Keyboard influences.
Dimmu Borgir is Pop Black Metal 🥴
@@Farvann passt.
@@Farvann I love Dimmu guess I'm in a minority haha
Melodic Black Metal is S Tier 100% Dissection alone carries that torch, Vinterland, Dawn, just so many bands from 93 - 97 that made Melo Black the best genre of Black metal imo. Then you had Abigor, Blut Aus Nord, Gehenna, Keep of Kalessin, Lord Belial moving in with the Atmospheric/Melodic era, which was INCREDIBLE.
For me S tiers are, 2nd Wave 88-93 ( Morbid, Bathory, Darkthrone)
Melodic Black 93 - 97 (Dissection, Vinterland, Keep of Kalessin, Windir)
Atmospheric Black 93 - 97 (Abigor, Burzum, Blut Aus Nord, Ancient Wisdom)
Hi farvann
What about cosmic black metal? Do you like it?
blackgaze are dudes that black metalists prefer to kill with a knife ?
Skip to the ending newcomers, the results are astonishing.
To a lot of people, second wave black metal *is* black metal. Easiest S-tier there's ever been
Agalloch, in my opinion, fits the definition of black metal folk. By the way, what song is playing at the end?
Durbatuluk - Seelenwanderung
@@Farvann thanks
Agalloch, is great. Pillorian too.
>Make his own list of subgenres
>Adds NSBM, despite knowing it's not a subgenre
😎
Ok, there you go my tier list:
S: atmospheric black metal; black thrash metal; melodic black metal; viking metal; black/death metal;
A: dsbm; symphonic black metal; black doom; raw black metal;
B: folk black metal; black'n'roll; gothic black metal; industrial black metal;
C: post-black metal; blackened crust;
D: blackgaze; progressive black metal; ambient black metal;
E(not F): avant-garde black metal;
Other genres I don't consider genres but terms for classification of age or lyrics, or something else, it doesn't influences the sound
"I made the list, but that was last week" tru words, tru words..
I can't grow out of dsbm, my weights grow heavier with time.
In my wasted existence, 😂
🤘💀🔪
What's the background song? It's absolutely awesome.
EDIT: realized it was your own band all along. Super good stuff.
Huh...i figured youd be a fan of raw black metal, weird man still F tier is pretty harsh but hey at least you put industrial black metal as one of your favorites.
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Come on Farvann! NSBM on the B?!? Just because of the letters and ideology it should be in the F, or simply off the list. Unbelievable! ¬¬
nope
@@citylights3011 nope what?
we are talking black metal. anti christianity is okay but anti judaism is not? the whole genre is anti abrahamic religions@@ABB...
There is a Folk BM band aus Deutschland called “Riger”. I recommend the song “Othala”.
Prog. Black Metal is maybe Kriegsmaschine from Poland.
Ahh I like mgla too
prog black metal some people say it's the later Enslaved stuff, like their albums after 2005 or somewhere around more like 2010 Enslaved and onwards.
I've found your channel like 2 weeks ago as I've been getting into black metal since the past few months and gotta say i focking love it and admire how much value and time you've put into this channel spreading knowledge and sharing laughter with funny videos, which I still havent got tire of watching them over and over. Maybe this comment isn't too blackish but whatever, keep it up bro!
"can be absolutely unlistenable, I'll give it an A"
300 IQ move at the end🧠👨🏫🐼🦡🦝🤣
I think it worked, too. 😀
I think industrial black isn't that bad, Covenant and Samael are pretty good i think 🙂
It's quite fun with the sub-genres because to me for example Darkthrone and Burzum sound nothing like each other but belong to the same sub-genre, and there a lot of the newer bands that sounds basicly the same but is not grouped together, some are atmospheric, some are ambient etc.
Call of the Wretched Sea is awesome! Ahab's newest is also very good, but not as good. Cheers!
S: Black n Roll, Black Thrash Metal, Melodic Black Metal, Viking Metal, Ambient Black Metal, Raw Black Metal, Black/Death Metal
A: Pagan Black Metal, Black Doom, First Wave Black Metal, Second Wave Black Metal,
B: Symphonic Black Metal, Folk Black Metal, NSBM, Progressive Black Metal, War Black Metal, Gothic Black Metal, Epic Black Metal
C: Blackgaze, Atmospheric Black Metal, DSBM,
F: Avant-Garde Black Metal, Post Black Metal, Blacked Crust, Industrial Black Metal
Heathen black metal, Hooligan black metal, Hyperborean black metal, Slavonic black metal, Vinlandic black metal
Hahh, bunch of bs... Hahha! When I started to listen this genre. There were not that much of subs of course. But back then Dummu was symphonic. And CoF wasnt black enough hahha. Dimmu neither.
So it was like Burzum, Mayhem, Marduk, Dark Throne, Emperor. True Black Metal. Which is actually not on the list... Folk was like Falkenbach.
I got into BM around 25years ago.
World turned inside out hahha
My band is melodic black death with influence from other genres (namely doom on the first album and thrash on the second album) with raw-ish production.
So hard to tell whether Farvann would like it (probably) but as he says, only thing that matters is whether I like it.
Borgne is a brilliant black industrial band.
So is Ufferndaith but they/he has only released one EP and that was back in 2020. He plays guitar in some indie rock band now which takes up most his music time.
love melodic black metal, bands like vinterland and stormkeep are incredible
also Rites to Sedition, absolutely insane riffs
Melechesh too
Add bands like Véhémence, Passéisme, Darkenhöld, Sühnopfer, Aorlhac to the list... One of my favorite subgenres.
véhémence is one of my favorite bands right now, i cant get enough of their sound
Viking Metal. First 3 Enslaved albums. Black Doom, there is even a German band, one of my favorites. Praise the Plague.
For "gothic black metal" id include things like kekt arahk, though i usually call it "romantic" black metal. I know im biased but i cant get enough of kekt arahk
Can you guys give me some examples of melodic black metal bands i could listen to? That would be awesome thanks!
I have herd of Viking-Metal as a subgenre of Black, Death and Power Metal...
Depressive suicidal / melodic black metal are S tier in my book
Im just getting into darkthrone, how fo people put up with neo nazi stuff in things like nsbm????
How about black metal death metal grindcore... Anaal Nathrakh
Most Black in Roll is shite but I for one happen to really enjoy Satyricon's BnR output.
Armospheric black metal is lot like a snow, white and interesting for first 15 minutes
“It’s boring to me”
no. Blackgaze is the best black metal genre in which the genre has evolved. Among the black metal genres, there was no genre that was as fresh and fun as Blackgaze.
Summoning wäre ein Beispiel für Epic Black Metal.
Man könnt auch einfach sagen wir machen Atmospheric Black Metal mit n bisschen mehr Bums oooder man erfindet einfach n neues Subgenre ... man kennt es ...
well done farvann 😊
Meloblack is pretty nice, Sacramentum's second album and Wintersun's first album are my go to.
Agalloch is top tier in meloblack for me.
prog bm would be something like Shining, Enslaved, and non opus dei i think.
Thorns from Norway are considered Industrial Black Metal. I personally would also consider "Rebel Extravaganza" and "Volcano" by Satyricon industrial black metal albums. But the masters of this disguise are Anaal Nathrakh from UK in my humble opinion. They all manage to still sound very organic to me.
Whatever you consider to be outside your favorite taste will be defended by a frenetic supporter.
Under the sign of "progressive black metal" I would place "Ne Obliviscaris"...
There is another subgenre of black metal worth mentioned in here - blackened hardcore, sometimes also called as dark hardcore. Bands like Deluge, Oathbraker, Supruga, Volan and so on.
Dragged Into Sunlight has nothing from crust BTW :) For Blackened Crush you better go for Iskra and Martyrdod
I think Akerocke falls into the Progressive Black Metal category. For Second Wave Black Metal I also have to name drop Setherial, worth checking out. With a band like Mysticum out there, I am surprised why you would hate on industrial black metal, In the Streams of Inferno is a great album.
Gothic Black Metal would be something like Triarchy of the Lost Lovers by Rotting Christ or A Dead Poem by the same band
Unblack metal is my favorite subgenre.
For me, NSBM should be f for reasons of... fuck nazis. But i understand that many fans of black metal can do with the stupid wordviews of bands like burzum or peste noir separating art for the artist. I'il put the first wave a little higher, because we have bandas like Sarcófago (they deserve more atention on this channel) Samael and also Celtic Frost. Blackgaze and Avant Garde BM are still evolving in some more deep and emotional bands like white ward or uada for example. Blackened Crust is probably mi favorite genre. Bands like wildspeaker, iskra and many others. Black Doom is underated too, bethlehem and the first 2 albuns of katatonia are freaking delicious. Cool List Man, Anyway.
nsbm is f tier cos there is literally no good nsbm. they all suck.
gbk for example have a bunch of good riffs and especially interesting drum parts but theyre all over the place and arent even capable of finishing one good song lmao.
they have great potential but theyre so frustrating to listen to! first part of parody of the lords supper is fucking great for example but they somehow manage to ruin it all because they suck at song writing.
since nazis are actually retarded there is no suprise here. just sad that they cant get their shit together, drop the stupid attitude and focus on writing good songs instead.
same goes for burzum. good riffs, good atmosphere, ruined by shitty songwriting.
@@derunsympath Yeah, GBK sounds like a shitty bar band that would play in like the most racist backwater hillbilly town in like Kentucky or somewhere like that. They freaking SUUUUUUCK, dude! I have no earthly idea how Wyattxhim and Quest for Metal can like them so much… It really baffles me.
...Thorns is not even close to F tier :(
thorns are great. same goes for satyricons """industrial" phase. rebel extravaganza is a great record.
Meloblack genre is my most favorite one, mostly cuz of Stormruler s Sacred Rites and Black Magick
Pagan black metal is S-tier solely for Aaskereia. Other than that, I mostly agree.
It’s all awful… isn’t that why we hold it with such prestige?
The black metal sub-genres that I mostly listen to are DSBM, second wave, atmospheric, melodic and ambient black metal. My favorite black metal bands are: Aara, Der Weg einer Freiheit, Darkspace, Vardan, Gorgoroth, Burzum, Cold World, Apati and Windir.
And yet Windir is another sub genre - Sognametal.
I don't like depressive, ambient, or atmospheric black metal all that much, but there are some good bands.
Aara is great btw
I feel like I really found myself when I first discovered blackgaze. It was like my whole personality and feelings were combined into one with the style. I still listen to it, but as I'm getting older and more conservative, I'm mostly at home with 2nd wave BM.
conservative boo
It's so odd to me when people just ignore Orthodox/Religious Black Metal. Stuff like Ondskapt, Funeral Mist, Ascension, Watain, Mephorash, Ofermod, Blaze of Perdition, Nightbringer, etc - it's a very distinct sound with some of the most interesting songwriting, and people just... completely overlook it?
religious black metal is like "yeah i like garlic bread but without garlic"
bcuz its a hidden agenda behind those bands. they like to openly admit to being a religious peasants. batushka for example only uses the subject of orthodox religion but religious bm is just cringe and full of hypocrisy and posers
@@ЫгыгыгГыгыгович I see no issue with that, bread is awesome and garlic typically smells like ass.
Farvann are you familiar with Imperium Dekadenz? If so I'm curious how popular they are in your country since they're German. I absolutely love them, but then again I do hold atmo BM as my S tier. Great content as always, thank you!
dsbm in c is insane
Yea i think it should've been higher too, the heaviness he mentioned adds to the black genre
For me it is perhaps the best subgenre. Thy Light, the first Shining, Silencer, some stuff from Burzum, Sombres Forets, Happy Days, Austere, None, Strid, Leviathan, Xasthur...
never disagreed more on a tier list.
The question is which of these two lists are you talking about? 😉
where's Christian Black Metal? 🌝
I love blakgaiys
War.metal.supremacy OUGH
the algorithm owl 🦉 thinks that's good & says hello from the Baltic Sea coast.
What bands are third wave black metal?
What about blackened sludge ?
What about black metal rap? Blackened rap?☠
What about black metal hardbass after all?
Forgot Noise Black Metal.
Anyone who listened to Obtained Enslavement is bound to love Symphonic Black Metal. Even if the genre is full of cheesy, effortless bands and albums, "Witchcraft" shows just how much potential Symphonic Black Metal has. No other Extreme Metal genres work with orchestra like Black Metal does.
Nice video! I was actually kind of surprised that you mentioned Dragged Into Sunlight for Black Crust, because I always considered them to be Black Death Doom Metal (Metal Archives agree in that point). I would still be interested to see your opinion on some Black Sludge bands such as Keeper, Old Witch, Burning Witch and Graves At Sea. But cool that you included it!
Ja, das war ne Verwechslung :D
I fucking love sludge and idk how I've never heard of black sludge (blackened sludge?)
RABM is so despised it didn't even get mentioned in the tier list
Its all about raw
Pretty sure 'War black metal' is Blasphemy, and I wouldnt call it 'black/death'.
Also You are clearly wrong on Black/Doom - 100% S
I think I'm clearly right about it.
Just kidding, musical taste is obviously neither wrong nor right 😄
My issue with all the recognized black metal sub genres is that 80% of them are bullshit. The instrumentation for the same genre can be completely different but because they have the same lyrical themes they’re the same genre while in other cases “different” genres can have the same lyrical and instrument styles but because one is about Vikings and the other is about mysticism or something that they’re two different genres.
The consideration for composition often times is thrown out the windows and we delegate way too much on what type of music it is when it’s often times just simply black metal to me, more or less because the nuances are so self-important or contradicting that they become meaningless and bloated.
Cool list though. I like your videos a lot.
Black Metal as a genre is oversaturated. To many new bands, newcomers, just a few like a needle in the hay bale may surprise me, even from the US there are a few good ones and old school but overall, to much bullshit, uninteresting and unoriginal stuff, one band copies the other band. Bands copy Finnish bands here and there.
I listen to bands from the 90´s , early 2000´s and they all had some real spirit in their music. It´s something, I like to come back from time to time. Today it feels like you have to be the most edgy mf around to be into Black Metal and the music is not even good at all. To much stuff sounds artificial, to sterile.. there is no spirit at all. Especially I mean the edgelords, who think "Satan" is the only thing that is important in the lyrics. Yet, most don´t even know what real Satanism is. It´s not some guys lurking in the woods with candles and singing mantras to Satan. They don´t have a clue what the real inner circles are doing.
A reason, why I don´t want even be part of this "Scene". I stopped to care about it, hitting my 30´s now. I am glad, my edgy "TRVE" years are over. Stopped taking everything to serious. I just think, some people in the scene are still stuck in the past and think, they can be real rebels and change the world by bashing against a weakened religion called Christianity. It´s easy to go against a religion, which became weaker and get no response back. Yet, no one talks about Islam in Europe, because there they all are to pussy to do something. Christianity is not a treat now, we have way more serious problems.
Viking metal is not a subgenre, as its defined by it lyrical theme, rather than the instrumental style. So Sabaton, Kreator and Amon Amarth would fall into the same genre.
I'm glad they don't