Darkthrone is the true black metal spirit. The guys just don't give a shit if anyone likes what they do. The polar opposite of selling out. I definitely don't like everything they've done, but I respect the attitude
Also, I agree with you on Mayhem. I respect totally their undeniable contribution and importance to the genre. However, I rank Mayhem--again, just my own personal tastes, to each their own--below Darkthrone, Burzum, Immortal, Enslaved, Mørk, and Taake. I guess I just find them kind of one-dimensional and less interesting than bands like Burzum and Darkthrone. Also, I enjoy Ghost. Apples and oranges talking about them in a Black Metal context.
Bullshit. They are doing these records exactly cause they sell even they would be total dog crap. All the fanboy collectors are going to still buy all them color vinyls just to show off in Instagram. They do not have any kind of "attitude". People argue they are against the trends but its pretty naive not to see they are the trend. Everyone of their latest albums have been praised eventhough no one really cares about them after few years.
@@magnusmaul5447 Mayhem has been trying to make the same album for 20 years. Have listened one song from each of their latest records and nothing has improved. They are professional musicians with good skill level but the ideas have been stuck in this same limbo forever
@@Farvann I wonder how long people will continue with this "Poser" nonsense Personally,I find it pathetic on the part of Metalheads It even bores me just listening to it..........🙄
How many colored vinyl editions you bought from their latest dog crap album? If not all then you are a poser. Also you should praise their dog crap lazy riffs as "masterpiece"
Also Rihanna is good too 😂 as is ghost… and Django Reinhardt played a mean jazz guitar. There are other genres of music than black metal, deal with it 😂
They never claimed to be hardcore satanist's or threat to kill people so they are not posers. Poser is a dork that poses to be something he really is not
They don't even label themselves as black metal anymore and Dimmu always encouraged people to support black metal bands, which is a cool thing to do, since they were the biggest Norwegian band out there.
I really like Behemoth and there album Evangelion. Specifically Ov Fire and the Void. But I’m not a Black Metal guy, I just like dark themes in music from Bathory to Joy Division to Sisters of Mercy, it all sounds good to me. So if Behemoth or Dimmu Borgir is “poser” then so be it (Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia is kickass btw).
At least you know what you are. This thread is an excellent demonstration of the falses having an e-circle jerk "ironically mocking themselves about what they truly are". It doesn't get much more twisted and convuled than your demographics thought process. I saw one of your videos a few months ago skipping about some european metal festival acting fey.
They're funny for sure but far from Trve Cvlt which obviously isen't their aim the way they dress etc., like the Alestorm of black metal lol, some stuff even has more of a death metal sound (both vocalwise and instruments) and even breakdowns sometimes so I understand it got in that category.... that being said I would love to see them live one day but don't rly know how often they play outside of Germany, but yeah guess I'm a poser as well when it comes to black metal lol
Kanonenfieber sucks ass. The guy behind it is a rich arrogant kid whose millionare parents payed for all his expenses. If you look at the music, it is basic as fuck. Just powerchords and some simple melodies mashed together. Lyrics are poorly written. Production is good tho thanks to daddy's money. If you like to listen to some war-themed Black metal, id recommend 1914 and Minenwerfer. These guys have actual talent unlike the poser and mgla copycat from Meddlfranken
The problem is no the band, its just they call themselves Black Metal when they clearly are primarily death metal. That being said they are still a hella amazing band but as long as you don't run around screaming: " I am such a Black Metal Head I am so Kvlt I listen to Kanonenfieber !1!1!11!1" you aren't a poser for just listening or enjoying their music
@@lordveznan9896 I think that is a great point that really highlights the problem with the video entirely. Any of us that enjoy black metal already know the "trve" bands, Darkthrone, Burzum, Mayhem, blah blah blah. What is even the point of the video if it's just to repeat it? Black metal has grown in different directions since then with plenty of amazing bands.
Yeah it's insane, people even call Euronymous a poser when he was one of the most important figures in the entire scene! They should really find another word for people they just don't like lol
I'm 67. I love black metal. The more raw, the better. I first listened to it out of curiosity. The darkness I had been seeking! It soothes my run over and left for dead spirit.
@@FortressofShred it's easy to sprout crap about him now.. But the dude was a master of his craft in the early days of the scene. And that is something you can NEVER take away from him.
In my terms 'poser' means someone who desperately tries to appear "black metal"; trying to appear more satanic, nihilistic, evil etc. than they actually are for being acknolwedged by the genre/scene. drifting away from the genre or becoming too polished are two completely different (and separate) things for me, neither good or bad inherently. it's all about how well it is executed. some do it just to appeal the softer mainstream listeners which would be bad, others do from the heart because they actually have more things to give musically, and that often is very good. good examples for the latter being Dimmu Borgir and Bathory.
So all black metal then. Because let's be real: there's nothing genuinely "evil" about dressing up in dumb costumes and playing music. The whole black metal thing is just larpy poser nerd metal for edgy lotr fans or nazis
Perfectly stated. I was about to post the same. Always frustrated when bands who progress in their sound beyond one genre get called "posers." By that reasoning, most every band ever pretty much deserves to be called posers.
I do agree that Alcest isn’t really black metal in the traditional sense, but they still have black metal parts. I call them “blackened shoegaze”, but they are still a very incredible band.
@@PIZZAdayisback With bands like Bethlehem, Silencer, Suizid, Forgotten Tomb etc existing, there sure is very interesting and unique DSBM bands. I'd put them higher than in poser tier. Although yes I'd argue most of the genre as a whole is pretty boring unless you're into that type of sound.
@@hypovolemic I'm personally more into thrash, prog and death metal so it's not like I can fairly judge BM but I've heard a bit (if sepultura's first album counts)
@@PIZZAdayisback Early Sepultura is arguably more similiar to the first wave of black metal, same category as Sarcofago, Venom, Celtic Frost, Bathory but the genre has changed quite a lot since.
Thank you. Ranking them below some of those other bands is madness. Their early stuff is most definitely symphonic black metal, and they were no more "posers" than any other band in the genre.
Ghost IS metal bro, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't. The whole idea of ghost is rock opera and metal instrumentals which makes it metal
Grausamkeit is great. I live in the most southern part of the black forest in Germany with my terrasse facing towards the treeling. Nothing better than sitting with a cold beer in the hottub while listeing to grausamkeit.
2y ago I was on vacation in the black forest and since there was no internet I only had one album on my phone. When the Night Falls by Severoth. Sitting stoned af on the porch, watching the black forest and listening to my fav album... was pbly the best listening session I ever had. The mountains/hills are fkin magical, no matter if down in the valley or at the top. I always have to smoke one at epic spots in nature, and in the black forest I had to stop for a smoke like every 500m, that's just how fkin dope the black forest is! 🖤🌲 (Yes, had portable ashtray with me and yes, I'm fkin jealous you get to live there! 💀)
@@Yoshi92 Austria and Overall South Germany (Near the Swiss Border) is also dope. They have a lot of Castels, nice mountains and overall nice nature ( i live there so you can trust me)
@@Yoshi92 Sometimes you'll listen to certain albums at a very specific time in your life which makes them extra enjoyable. The black forest is very dear to my heart since I walk my dog there almost daily but the most magical forest I've ever been to was Algonquin Park in Canada. If you haven't been there you should give it a try. And don't forget to bring you Severoth album with you :)
@@burdyyyyyyyyyy6047 I moved here about two years ago. I lived in Vienna before that fro almost 10 years, now I live in a tiny village of 300. It's a change for sure but one I don't regret so far.
Definitely agree that different genres are better for different times of the day. I listen to 90s pop in the morning. By noon, Im Gorgoroth. By evening I'm ambient harp music.
My opinion on Behemoth, good music, just not blackened enough if you get what I’m saying. They’re more death metal to me, still good music as I said, just not black metal (after the first few albums is what I’m talking about they did start off as black metal)
First few albums were actually more death metal, just the perspective on what death metal is has drastically changed over the years. I always saw Behemoth as Deicide that wanted to be Dimmu Borgir.
Yeah it feels hard to get into black metal t’s either crazy good or really weak. The difference in quality already between equally iconic artists like burzum and mayhem is unheard of in other genres I’d say
Alot of bands who make depressive black metal dont even call themselves dsbm they just get labeled that like the band bethlehem alot of people call it dsbm even though it never even existed when the band made music
Though I agree with the Dimmu take, Stormblast is still one of my favorite albums in the genre. Fantastic sympho black. Hell, everything up till Enthrone Darkness Triumphant is brilliant.
the entire saarland black metal scene from the 90s - early 00s is top tier, you should give his other projects a listen as well as the other guys stuff.
Hi! Real life poser here, as usual spending my day enjoying life listening to Behemoth and Dimmu and Deafheaven and DSBM while telling people I love black metal. I hope this information ruins the day of any music snob who reads this. If you, however, have a great time listening to music that you love while also not shitting on other people for listening to what they like, I hope you have a long, beautiful, immensely happy life 🥰
Same. They do not deserve to be ranked below those other bands. I like what they put out in the 1990s and early 2000s. After that, not so much. But I listen to the early stuff regularly.
Ive always argued that DSBM is the only place in black metal, where you will find actual VERY REAL darkness. Posers play pretend, but we very rarely get that with DSBM.
Nonsense...you just try to divide metal community and call some of them true metal fans or not. It reminds me when years ago there was a group of "true" metals and we call them a "Metal Militia". It is riddiculous. None of us should be treaten this way. Every metal band is unique and gives us something - lyrics, music, some kind of art. We have a lot of metal genres and some band are just in the middle of everything. We can talk about that, but the only thing we should always do is to sneak up above the horizon and try to understand what stands behind the band. Gather the people, not divide them. Metal music is supposed to unite, not divide.
Honestly, the only poser thing is pretending that 2nd wave Norwegian BM is "trve". Its the most accessible and boring scene in black metal, while for the time it was revolutionary it got absolutely destroyed by any movements afterwards.
The codger's paradox - the older you get, the less you GAF about 'being cool' or what others think, and you just do / listen to what you enjoy...therefore becoming cooler.
I can understand why you think DSBM is poser, but man, I still like it. At least a couple of bands, like Xasthur or Sacrimoon(album of 2017, of course), really good. I don't count Lifelover, Shining or Psyhonaut 4, because it doesn't even remotely resemble DSBM. But there are good groups in DSBM, there is no denying that. ^_^
@@Agalloch1234I LOVE "We are doomed" from the Isolation Album, such a great atmosphere. I even had to cry listening to it the first time 😮😅 Great artist!
What would you consider Lifelover and P4 if not their own kind of DSBM? I see no other genre fitting better Sort of agree with Shining, it's not really DSBM but also has its fair share of parts of it
Honestly, I don't understand the word 'poser'. If you recorded an album in style X and then decided to make something different, does that mean you’re still bound by the label attached to your first album? If we think like that, then Darkthrone are posers of death metal.
Dimmu Borgir is my favorite Black Metal band next to Mgla. I like their unique sound that blends orchestral/symphonic and black metal together. As someone who also enjoys classical music i think it's a cool fusion genre.
@@lokeforce8905 Spiritual Black Dimention is not only best sympho-metal album, it's also one of the best albums in rock music in general. Riffs, drums, vocals, solos. This album is classics.
@@alexunder4304 yeah its a 10/10 album, need to listen it through again. Perfect for working 🤣when i think of black dimensions i think of the sound of this album. I did a piano tutorial of the insight.. on my TH-cam channel if you wanna check it out 🙂
Many people hate some subgenres of BM, such as DSBM or Noise BM because "they are not that technical" but my fav bands belong to them. I am really enjoying the shrieking vocals as well as the lofi-raw sound of raw BM.
I'm 45 years old and I've long, long, long since moved on from the nonsense of "poser" labels. What really matters is the music. It matters little what they wear. That kind of label is a bit like putting yourself on the same level as the general materialism in all aspects of society.
this is silly - people sitting around discussing what is doom/death/black/blackened/etc/etc metal, who is/isn't, how many percent poser they are, who has gone up/down the metal hierarchy, etc, etc, etc. Like 12-year-olds arguing who would win a comic book hero fight.
I know a lot of people like what they are currently doing, and I like some of it myself, but I'd put Darkthrone in the "too bad they changed" category. A lot of bands have copied what they did in the early to mid '90s and have done great things with it, but I can't help but imagine what Darkthrone would have come up with if they did not break away from, and continued to develop within those extreme limitations they imposed upon themselves.
I agree. Vastly prefer the early stuff from them. I listen to (my favourite black metal band) Djevel and occasionally wonder what might have been for Darkthrone if they'd kept the foundational second-wave sound but progressed in their composition.
I don't agree, and I'm actually curious about your "more polished sound = not Black Metal" thing. By that logic, wouldn't Mgła be considered "not Black Metal", since Age of Excuse and even Exercises in futility are a lot more polished than Groza or their early EPs?
Ghost didn t even said or tried to be Metal. Ghost is Ghost, like Rammstein, it has its one genre. It borrows elements from pop, altt rock, psychedelic rock, arena rock, all the way to funeral doom or traditional heavy metal. What is important, is that their songs are good, and they are bring more new rock&metal fans every year than most of the old classic bands. A Kpop, or Taylor Swift fan will never get into metal with Darkthrone, but maybe with Ghost
Dissection meets every criteria you set for being poser, yet it was the realest black metal out there. Their final albums sound is way different than black metal, and it sounds crystal clear, yet it has the most evil and satanic atmosphere from any band.
@@deadmanisboy2985Yeah, I just heard that from a comment on RFI. That’s weird, I thought Tiktok was a teeny bopper thing, I never thought something like that’d be on there. Strange times.
@@BarBarian-sy5xz It's the novelty of how unusual of an artist it is which was why teens liked it. Obscure, edgy backstory, music that sounds like it was recorded in a torture dungeon. Teens love boasting about their uniqueness in the most shallow ways possible, and something like Grausamkeit is a perfect band to show off just how quirky and different you are by being a listener.
The thing that cracks me up about Burzum is Varg made 4 of the best atmospheric black metal albums ever. Then he proceeded to talk about how much he hates black metal.
Frank Riegler created Kanonenfieber as an accessible and well marketable project and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't remember Frank Riegler/Noise ever claiming that Kanonenfieber is Black Metal. Yes, it was published on Black Metal Promotion, but they even upload Doom or Death Metal sometimes. It's like the next logical step for someone who started with Sabaton, got bored but still liked the energy of it. His other side projects work the same way, Non Estus Deus is like that for bored Behemoth fans, and Leipa is like that for bored DSBM fans. I'd say it's like the musical equivalent of a bridge. His other early projects, Nemus and Dreamshift sound exactly like his current stuff, but lacked that aspect of "spiritual succession"/bridge
@@tobias3023 No, but it seems like it's common'ish knowledge in Germany. And it is Riegler indeed, his wife - Sabine Riegler - is even listed as the contact person on the Noiserecords site.
Well, one could argue that calculated accesibility and market conformism in this degree actually is "wrong" - obviously not economically, but at least artistical and also especially from the historical perspective regarding the WWI theme.
This video came up on my feed and this was funny! As much as I hate to admit it, yeah, Cradle and Behemoth are pretty beginner black metal. But really, even Kvlt Black Metal bands call each other posers, so the lesson here is the friends we made along the way my fellow posers 😂
I dunno, all of them released more than one album, most of their band isnt dead or having life sentence in prison, so by avarage reddit comment 99% of the black metal bands supposed to be poser. So i guess i am another poser weirdo who picks something he likes instead of being those "black metal elitist" who cant even agree what is black metal P.S: Durbatuluk is the biggest poser of them all! :D
You said for you, a poser band is a band that left black metal to make a different sound, which that's exactly what Burzum did. Stop contradicting yourself
I'm a great fan of Kanonenfieber. Period. :) And I am a Frenchman, so no grudge about WWI (or WWII... see you soon for WWIII) [In fact, I'm not a beginner... I listen to black metal since 30 years... and death metal since 31 years...]
@@Bourbon_de_Gironde As partly German I am very much into French Death Metal (Mutilator/Mutilated, Catacomb, Mercyless, Skelethal) and French Black Metal (Darvulia, S.V.E.S.T., Cendres, Black Murder, Osculum Infame, Sainte Marie des Loups). But with Kanonenfieber we are definitely not in the same team. The music is a cash grab on clueless individuals (accurately more mass people) with no taste in music except for cheap effects. Don't get into that terrain, it's dangerous. This stuff is in the same league as Metal Core and Melo Death, styles that neither get claimed by Metal nor Death Metal at all. If you say That's my in group - you're out.
I have heard the argument that there are also groups that are "digestible" BM. Ones that even my non metalhead wife enjoys, like Summoning, Caladan Brood, Saor, Mesarthim, etc. But these bands aren't "poser" in my opinion as they are a very specific type of Epic/Atmospheric BM that presents certain melodic qualities that aren't trying to be raw and relenting like a Black Cilice type of approach for example. *Great video btw my friend, agreed on your opinions of these bands and this list 👍
Hi, I'm new to the channel. I'm actually surprised to see Cradle of Filth and Ghost on this list. CoF has some songs that I would say is amazing, like Nymphetamine Fix, Her Ghost In The Fog. Anyway, the other bands on your list I don't listen to, some I've never even heard of. I'm very picky when it comes to metal. I did a quick search on your channel (didn't find) to see if you have any videos on Cadaveria, Opera IX and Necrodeath? These three are all Italian Black Metal bands with the latter leaning more towards Extreme Metal. They also seem to be related to each other. If you have some time perhaps you should check them out? I assure you they aren't posers, especially Opera IX.
I don't agree as a symphonic black metal fan but I can realy enjoy your videos even if you make tierlists. I usually like stuff with good production more and I know that thats a hot take but I think that filosofem and de mysteriis dom satanas have a very good production.
No Gorgoroth, huh? Even if it was there, I surely hope you would've approved of it. That band is my favorite of all the black metal bands I've heard. They truly are one of the OG's for the second wave. Overall, I like your decisions and the ranks.
@@oleksandrbyelyenko435 kinda funny youre saying that, because this is exactly like a Metallica thing. Behemoth started as BM band and changed to DM. Metallica started their first four albums with thrash and changed in the 90s to hard rock(IDC the black album is hard rock). Did you say "sad but true" on purpose?😅
@@oleksandrbyelyenko435nah Metallica has not played every metal subgenre lmao They've at have done thrash, heavy, hard rock at least. You don't see them churning out anything death, black, grind, power, prog, doom, sludge, or god forbid they do core
It's more of a death metal band, obviously the most famous band in the 'blackened death metal' genre. Don't rly love their latest stuff but older stuff yeah definitely and if u see them live it's always a good show imo, one time they were my favorite live band at Graspop festival some years ago when I saw them the first time, Nergal's way of singing past years is so awesome and makes the old stuff sound a lot better then the studio version imo, switching between that brutal low sound and higher stuff almost like Rotting Christ chanting all while wearing that hoodie and playing at his V guitar... yeah poser or not, when it comes to 'Metal' in general I wouldn't consider them posers, black metal wise yeah kinda, it's far from trve cvlt as it's mainly death and Elitists will call most of mainstream band posers or sellouts anyway, I understand that more when the band gets like all pop just to get more famous but if they just feel like changing in a certain direction meh, everyone can have their opinion in the end.
They cannot be called posers cause they never posed to be evil forest wandering black metal warriors an threat to kill all christians. Same goes for Immortal.
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Darkthrone is the true black metal spirit. The guys just don't give a shit if anyone likes what they do. The polar opposite of selling out. I definitely don't like everything they've done, but I respect the attitude
Calling Darkthrone a "poser band" is poser behavior
I respect everyone's opinion, but I WILL say Darkthrone is my favorite band and I like all their stuff.
Also, I agree with you on Mayhem. I respect totally their undeniable contribution and importance to the genre. However, I rank Mayhem--again, just my own personal tastes, to each their own--below Darkthrone, Burzum, Immortal, Enslaved, Mørk, and Taake. I guess I just find them kind of one-dimensional and less interesting than bands like Burzum and Darkthrone. Also, I enjoy Ghost. Apples and oranges talking about them in a Black Metal context.
Bullshit. They are doing these records exactly cause they sell even they would be total dog crap. All the fanboy collectors are going to still buy all them color vinyls just to show off in Instagram. They do not have any kind of "attitude". People argue they are against the trends but its pretty naive not to see they are the trend. Everyone of their latest albums have been praised eventhough no one really cares about them after few years.
@@magnusmaul5447 Mayhem has been trying to make the same album for 20 years. Have listened one song from each of their latest records and nothing has improved. They are professional musicians with good skill level but the ideas have been stuck in this same limbo forever
In short,everyone is a poser,even the posers are posers of the posers👍🏻
Finally someone understanding this stupid video!
@@Farvann I wonder how long people will continue with this "Poser" nonsense
Personally,I find it pathetic on the part of Metalheads
It even bores me just listening to it..........🙄
P0ser!
@@berserker2551 sounds a bit poser
@@42studios98 Glad to be one of them.............🙄
Was about to bring my son to the park and saw the notification. He went on his own, he will do just fine.
Yea, give him some leather & denim and boots and he should be fine indeed👍
You got a Spartan child. Watch him come back with a skinned wolf's hide around his shoulders and a sword and shield. 😮 🤴
Darkthrone cannot be posers. It’s says on the back of the album that it is True Norwegian Black Metal.
😂 self proclamations are always gonna get peoples attention
how about a band called "the black satans" they are so cool you must check them out if u don't know them
@@seth-eh4fp can’t they’re too scary.
🤣🤣🤣
@@jedwalker4543 Soulside journey still slaps
The DSBM icon is just a person commuting to work.
Is that what makes them so depressed? 😅
Damn right, it’s what I’m doing right now
At some point people have to be their own person and stop caring about what other people think
Nah, it's a boxer drubbing the hangin bag.
4:47 scratching invisible balls
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*stimulating
fondling
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Poser Black Metal must be a new style of music. So we need a video '"How to write a Poser Black Metal Song in 5 minutes" :)
Now i want to see farvann's aproach to that. 🤣
Take black metal, remove a couple distortion pedals, done
😂 a couple distortion pedals @@PIZZAdayisback
@@morbidcorpse5954 tbh I don't make black metal but I might need to do that with my tones
(Listen to a "Bilehound" song if you don't believe me)
Welcome back I guess
People who said Darkthrone are the real posers.
How many colored vinyl editions you bought from their latest dog crap album? If not all then you are a poser. Also you should praise their dog crap lazy riffs as "masterpiece"
Ghost is closer to Rihanna than it is to metal
Yessir you should be top comment
Also Rihanna is good too 😂 as is ghost… and Django Reinhardt played a mean jazz guitar. There are other genres of music than black metal, deal with it 😂
@@guyfawkes8873 you kinda missed the point. Read again :)
Lol no. They draw from more traditional metal and rock, especially from the 70's. Just because it's catchy doesn't make it Rihanna.
Thank you!
I love Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth and they are primarily Symphonic to me. Maybe poser Black, but top notch Symphonic
They never claimed to be hardcore satanist's or threat to kill people so they are not posers. Poser is a dork that poses to be something he really is not
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Lol. Actually early Dimmu Borgir was satanic AF. They have photos with inverted crosses and pentagrams.
I like them too, but then I really like symphonic metal. Was just jamming some old Dimmu this morning.
They don't even label themselves as black metal anymore and Dimmu always encouraged people to support black metal bands, which is a cool thing to do, since they were the biggest Norwegian band out there.
I really like Behemoth and there album Evangelion. Specifically Ov Fire and the Void. But I’m not a Black Metal guy, I just like dark themes in music from Bathory to Joy Division to Sisters of Mercy, it all sounds good to me. So if Behemoth or Dimmu Borgir is “poser” then so be it (Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia is kickass btw).
Me before starting the video..."i should write how disappointed i am that my band isn't in the list"...me seeing my band in the list 👁👄👁 HAHAHA
hahahaha
Omg Boris🥰🫶
At least you know what you are.
This thread is an excellent demonstration of the falses having an e-circle jerk "ironically mocking themselves about what they truly are".
It doesn't get much more twisted and convuled than your demographics thought process.
I saw one of your videos a few months ago skipping about some european metal festival acting fey.
yeah i said convuled instead of convoluted, deal with it big B.
@@ian.swift.31614 Bro wanna hug or what lol
If Kanonenfieber is a poser band then I’m a fucking poser. Band is amazing.
They're funny for sure but far from Trve Cvlt which obviously isen't their aim the way they dress etc., like the Alestorm of black metal lol, some stuff even has more of a death metal sound (both vocalwise and instruments) and even breakdowns sometimes so I understand it got in that category.... that being said I would love to see them live one day but don't rly know how often they play outside of Germany, but yeah guess I'm a poser as well when it comes to black metal lol
Kanonenfieber sucks ass. The guy behind it is a rich arrogant kid whose millionare parents payed for all his expenses. If you look at the music, it is basic as fuck. Just powerchords and some simple melodies mashed together. Lyrics are poorly written. Production is good tho thanks to daddy's money. If you like to listen to some war-themed Black metal, id recommend 1914 and Minenwerfer. These guys have actual talent unlike the poser and mgla copycat from Meddlfranken
The problem is no the band, its just they call themselves Black Metal when they clearly are primarily death metal. That being said they are still a hella amazing band but as long as you don't run around screaming: " I am such a Black Metal Head I am so Kvlt I listen to Kanonenfieber !1!1!11!1" you aren't a poser for just listening or enjoying their music
@@lordveznan9896 I think that is a great point that really highlights the problem with the video entirely. Any of us that enjoy black metal already know the "trve" bands, Darkthrone, Burzum, Mayhem, blah blah blah. What is even the point of the video if it's just to repeat it? Black metal has grown in different directions since then with plenty of amazing bands.
They sound like melodic death metal to me
Compass is indeed a word that exists in the English dictionary. You're a poser for not knowing that.
I dont understand how the og second wave black metal bands could be considered "poser". Like, what even is black metal then?
Yeah it's insane, people even call Euronymous a poser when he was one of the most important figures in the entire scene! They should really find another word for people they just don't like lol
@@qriofficial1769 he posed to be harder than he really was
The scene was mostly made up of a bunch of nerdy, rich suburban kids who were deserpately trying to seem edgy and dangerous. Seems poser to me.
A punk is only truly punk if he denys punk in itself.
Blasphemy came roughly 2 years after Mayhem, and managed to influence waaay superior bands in the future than any of the second wave Norwegian bands.
There's nothing more poser than a man in his mid 30's telling me what is and isn't poser..
So true
“Erm, actually black metal is about tolerance and accepting everyone. Euronymous was a poser, chud”
I'm 67. I love black metal. The more raw, the better. I first listened to it out of curiosity. The darkness I had been seeking! It soothes my run over and left for dead spirit.
the most real setence of farvann being ""stop spending time on tiktok my friends, it makes you more happy""
2:22 pun intended? 😂 “i can nazi why burzum…”
Damn I’m noticing it now😂😂
"Anne Frankly, I dont understand why people dont like Varg"
HAHAHAHAHAAHAH
Yeah 😅
@@GloomTombProductions 🤣
Ghost is the most Black metal Band on this list :3 It only loses to imagine dragons
Don’t forget nickelback, the true GOAT
Forgot to mention weezer tbh
Babymetal too
Nathan Explosion: We are here to make coffee metal... We will make everything metal... Blacker than the blackest black, times infinity
Nathan: "I, a poser? Hold my coffee."
Who in the blue hell could think that Burzum is poser? One thing is dislike Varg as a person but Burzum first 4 records are amazing.
no,《Belus》《Fallen》《Umskiptar》 are the best Burzum albums
Facts !! LONG LIVE THE COUNT!!
Varg is a great man
Varg is faker than Lee Press-On nails 🤣
@@FortressofShred it's easy to sprout crap about him now.. But the dude was a master of his craft in the early days of the scene. And that is something you can NEVER take away from him.
In my terms 'poser' means someone who desperately tries to appear "black metal"; trying to appear more satanic, nihilistic, evil etc. than they actually are for being acknolwedged by the genre/scene.
drifting away from the genre or becoming too polished are two completely different (and separate) things for me, neither good or bad inherently. it's all about how well it is executed. some do it just to appeal the softer mainstream listeners which would be bad, others do from the heart because they actually have more things to give musically, and that often is very good. good examples for the latter being Dimmu Borgir and Bathory.
So all black metal then. Because let's be real: there's nothing genuinely "evil" about dressing up in dumb costumes and playing music. The whole black metal thing is just larpy poser nerd metal for edgy lotr fans or nazis
Perfectly stated. I was about to post the same. Always frustrated when bands who progress in their sound beyond one genre get called "posers." By that reasoning, most every band ever pretty much deserves to be called posers.
Don't you know you can't be black metal unless you record in a literal dumpster!?
I do agree that Alcest isn’t really black metal in the traditional sense, but they still have black metal parts. I call them “blackened shoegaze”, but they are still a very incredible band.
They are the ultimate example of black gaze
The genre is called Blackgaze.
@@Mp57navybut "actually" blackgaze would be stuff like Darkspace, maybe Paysage d’Hiver?
@@Mp57navy I know.
@@saxönsplitter-o1nno. Darkspace is just atmospheric black metal and dark ambient
Other than the DSBM hate I mostly agree, but idk how u hate DSBM for being too easy to make when we both know how easy regular black metal is to make.
It's not as interesting
Easy to make, but not easy to make well. And that can be true for pretty much any punk/metal adjacent genre
@@PIZZAdayisback With bands like Bethlehem, Silencer, Suizid, Forgotten Tomb etc existing, there sure is very interesting and unique DSBM bands. I'd put them higher than in poser tier. Although yes I'd argue most of the genre as a whole is pretty boring unless you're into that type of sound.
@@hypovolemic I'm personally more into thrash, prog and death metal so it's not like I can fairly judge BM but I've heard a bit (if sepultura's first album counts)
@@PIZZAdayisback Early Sepultura is arguably more similiar to the first wave of black metal, same category as Sarcofago, Venom, Celtic Frost, Bathory but the genre has changed quite a lot since.
not me thinking the DSBM logo was someone punching a punching bag 😭
I was trying to figure out what band it is😂
Poser-Tierlist achievement unlocked! 🔓
POSER, Spaß mach weiter so
AYEEEEEEEEE KANONENFIEBERRRR
Love u noise
Dimmu gets a lot of shit because they’ve evolved but they have an amazing body of work and can’t be discredited. I hold them very high as artists.
Thank you. Ranking them below some of those other bands is madness. Their early stuff is most definitely symphonic black metal, and they were no more "posers" than any other band in the genre.
Same bro
I think only non-metalheads could possibly think that Ghost are a metal band.
Ghost IS a metal band, but they are so much more than that.
The only Ghost I like or have ever liked were a rare old polish DM band from late 80's/early 90's.
Had a demo called "Noc Demona" very cool shit
Ghost is Metal in some pieces of music. But is not a Metal Band.
Ghost IS metal bro, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't. The whole idea of ghost is rock opera and metal instrumentals which makes it metal
Grausamkeit is great. I live in the most southern part of the black forest in Germany with my terrasse facing towards the treeling. Nothing better than sitting with a cold beer in the hottub while listeing to grausamkeit.
Yeah that Sounds nice
2y ago I was on vacation in the black forest and since there was no internet I only had one album on my phone. When the Night Falls by Severoth.
Sitting stoned af on the porch, watching the black forest and listening to my fav album... was pbly the best listening session I ever had. The mountains/hills are fkin magical, no matter if down in the valley or at the top.
I always have to smoke one at epic spots in nature, and in the black forest I had to stop for a smoke like every 500m, that's just how fkin dope the black forest is! 🖤🌲
(Yes, had portable ashtray with me and yes, I'm fkin jealous you get to live there! 💀)
@@Yoshi92 Austria and Overall South Germany (Near the Swiss Border) is also dope. They have a lot of Castels, nice mountains and overall nice nature ( i live there so you can trust me)
@@Yoshi92 Sometimes you'll listen to certain albums at a very specific time in your life which makes them extra enjoyable. The black forest is very dear to my heart since I walk my dog there almost daily but the most magical forest I've ever been to was Algonquin Park in Canada. If you haven't been there you should give it a try. And don't forget to bring you Severoth album with you :)
@@burdyyyyyyyyyy6047 I moved here about two years ago. I lived in Vienna before that fro almost 10 years, now I live in a tiny village of 300. It's a change for sure but one I don't regret so far.
you should have putted burzum in poser so varg starts a twitter fight with you XDD
hahaha yes
I have no problem with polished black metal. I play raw for my drive into work but I want something smoother on my way home.
Definitely agree that different genres are better for different times of the day.
I listen to 90s pop in the morning. By noon, Im Gorgoroth. By evening I'm ambient harp music.
I thought for a long time why you don't like Polish music, and then I realized that you were talking about "polished" sound. Sorry for my English
He's just waiting to invade again
My opinion on Behemoth, good music, just not blackened enough if you get what I’m saying. They’re more death metal to me, still good music as I said, just not black metal (after the first few albums is what I’m talking about they did start off as black metal)
Frontman is acting like teenage girl doing internet drama about evil christian gym's. So much for his credibility
@@raakareiska9804 Nergal is an asshole
Behemoth has had a Jewish lawyer for decades.
Free Palestine.
@@raakareiska9804so nothing to do with the actual music.
First few albums were actually more death metal, just the perspective on what death metal is has drastically changed over the years. I always saw Behemoth as Deicide that wanted to be Dimmu Borgir.
as someone who likes depressive black metal, 90% of it is garbage and appeal to posers. Bit of a shame but u just have to ignore it
Yeah it feels hard to get into black metal t’s either crazy good or really weak. The difference in quality already between equally iconic artists like burzum and mayhem is unheard of in other genres I’d say
Alot of bands who make depressive black metal dont even call themselves dsbm they just get labeled that like the band bethlehem alot of people call it dsbm even though it never even existed when the band made music
Sometimes art needs a little gatekeeping. Or else you end up with metalcore.
Though I agree with the Dimmu take, Stormblast is still one of my favorite albums in the genre. Fantastic sympho black. Hell, everything up till Enthrone Darkness Triumphant is brilliant.
Cradle has some of the most lucid genuinely occult sounding music that exists. GOAT status
the entire saarland black metal scene from the 90s - early 00s is top tier, you should give his other projects a listen as well as the other guys stuff.
Hi! Real life poser here, as usual spending my day enjoying life listening to Behemoth and Dimmu and Deafheaven and DSBM while telling people I love black metal. I hope this information ruins the day of any music snob who reads this. If you, however, have a great time listening to music that you love while also not shitting on other people for listening to what they like, I hope you have a long, beautiful, immensely happy life 🥰
Loved the early Dimmu’s so much. I’d put them under ‘Too Bad They Changed’. Agreed with the rest of the list tho.
Same. They do not deserve to be ranked below those other bands. I like what they put out in the 1990s and early 2000s. After that, not so much. But I listen to the early stuff regularly.
Enthroned Darkness Triumphant, Spiritual Black Dimensions, and Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia are all solid albums
Ive always argued that DSBM is the only place in black metal, where you will find actual VERY REAL darkness. Posers play pretend, but we very rarely get that with DSBM.
Instant like for Burzum. This man is a music genius.
Trick subject. Every black metal band are posers
Nonsense...you just try to divide metal community and call some of them true metal fans or not. It reminds me when years ago there was a group of "true" metals and we call them a "Metal Militia". It is riddiculous. None of us should be treaten this way. Every metal band is unique and gives us something - lyrics, music, some kind of art. We have a lot of metal genres and some band are just in the middle of everything. We can talk about that, but the only thing we should always do is to sneak up above the horizon and try to understand what stands behind the band. Gather the people, not divide them. Metal music is supposed to unite, not divide.
Cringe ,
Honestly, the only poser thing is pretending that 2nd wave Norwegian BM is "trve". Its the most accessible and boring scene in black metal, while for the time it was revolutionary it got absolutely destroyed by any movements afterwards.
Farvann is great…….. it’s just funny that he thinks he’s old. 🤣 I’m 49, I’m OLD in his eyes.
Yeah, I am always smiling as well, remembering having seen live Dissection, Cradle of Filth, Dimmu Borgir in the same evening back in the 90s. ;-)
😂 I know, right? I remember calling certain punk bands posers 40 years ago. This all deja vu to me now, but will always be entertaining.
The codger's paradox - the older you get, the less you GAF about 'being cool' or what others think, and you just do / listen to what you enjoy...therefore becoming cooler.
I can understand why you think DSBM is poser, but man, I still like it. At least a couple of bands, like Xasthur or Sacrimoon(album of 2017, of course), really good. I don't count Lifelover, Shining or Psyhonaut 4, because it doesn't even remotely resemble DSBM. But there are good groups in DSBM, there is no denying that. ^_^
Cause they pose being all depressed, anxious and suicidal but real man would have already killed himself instead of writing songs about it
Melancholie 2 by Coldworld. One of my top ten favorite black metal albums ever and it’s DSBM. Literally a perfect album.
@@Agalloch1234I LOVE "We are doomed" from the Isolation Album, such a great atmosphere. I even had to cry listening to it the first time 😮😅 Great artist!
What would you consider Lifelover and P4 if not their own kind of DSBM? I see no other genre fitting better
Sort of agree with Shining, it's not really DSBM but also has its fair share of parts of it
@@Agalloch1234 this album is one of my favorite album too, but I think it is no DSBM any way, it is atmospheric black/dark ambient
Honestly, I don't understand the word 'poser'. If you recorded an album in style X and then decided to make something different, does that mean you’re still bound by the label attached to your first album? If we think like that, then Darkthrone are posers of death metal.
Dimmu Borgir is my favorite Black Metal band next to Mgla. I like their unique sound that blends orchestral/symphonic and black metal together. As someone who also enjoys classical music i think it's a cool fusion genre.
PEM and spiritual album are masterpieces.
Still enjoy their 90's and early 00's from time to time
@@lokeforce8905
Spiritual Black Dimention is not only best sympho-metal album, it's also one of the best albums in rock music in general. Riffs, drums, vocals, solos. This album is classics.
@@alexunder4304 yeah its a 10/10 album, need to listen it through again. Perfect for working 🤣when i think of black dimensions i think of the sound of this album. I did a piano tutorial of the insight.. on my TH-cam channel if you wanna check it out 🙂
@@alexunder4304I love Dimmu but I have yet to dig into SBD. I will....
Many people hate some subgenres of BM, such as DSBM or Noise BM because "they are not that technical" but my fav bands belong to them. I am really enjoying the shrieking vocals as well as the lofi-raw sound of raw BM.
'Ghost is not metal' should be a t-shirt
I like your list, I really never thought to call Deafheaven shoegaze.
Anybody else got *Behemoth* Sponsored Ad in the beginning of this Video lol❔ 💀
I would say you nailed it perfectly with this list.
Actualy the guy behind grausamkeit has way more projects and a few of them are nsbm like corneus or jæw atomizer and his wife died in 2013
Yeah I know. And one of them is named after a South Park episode. Like what the hell man 😂
For DSBM listen to Shyy - Shyy it’s somehow more kvlt than 90% of raw BM
That album has such a raw authentic feeling and is peak DSBM imo
I'm 45 years old and I've long, long, long since moved on from the nonsense of "poser" labels. What really matters is the music. It matters little what they wear. That kind of label is a bit like putting yourself on the same level as the general materialism in all aspects of society.
this is silly - people sitting around discussing what is doom/death/black/blackened/etc/etc metal, who is/isn't, how many percent poser they are, who has gone up/down the metal hierarchy, etc, etc, etc. Like 12-year-olds arguing who would win a comic book hero fight.
Listen to Sex Pistols - no gradient, no poser... simple.
“Making a tier list is the least creative thing one can do”…..
Many youtubers, take note!!!
😂
I am casually the biggest poser based off of this list because I primarily listen to DSBM and the entire genre is poser haha
I know a lot of people like what they are currently doing, and I like some of it myself, but I'd put Darkthrone in the "too bad they changed" category. A lot of bands have copied what they did in the early to mid '90s and have done great things with it, but I can't help but imagine what Darkthrone would have come up with if they did not break away from, and continued to develop within those extreme limitations they imposed upon themselves.
I agree. Vastly prefer the early stuff from them. I listen to (my favourite black metal band) Djevel and occasionally wonder what might have been for Darkthrone if they'd kept the foundational second-wave sound but progressed in their composition.
Blackgaze and hipster black metal are sort of the synonyms of poser black metal , but they are still better than what people call alternative metal.
Ahem Liturgy
ur more poser
I don't agree, and I'm actually curious about your "more polished sound = not Black Metal" thing. By that logic, wouldn't Mgła be considered "not Black Metal", since Age of Excuse and even Exercises in futility are a lot more polished than Groza or their early EPs?
I consider Mgla a great Black Metal band, even starting a new branch: "Polish Black Metal". They are a bit more melodic but still raw.
Ghost didn t even said or tried to be Metal. Ghost is Ghost, like Rammstein, it has its one genre. It borrows elements from pop, altt rock, psychedelic rock, arena rock, all the way to funeral doom or traditional heavy metal. What is important, is that their songs are good, and they are bring more new rock&metal fans every year than most of the old classic bands.
A Kpop, or Taylor Swift fan will never get into metal with Darkthrone, but maybe with Ghost
ranking youtubers by how much of a poser they are #1: Farvann
That's a very short list dude
Poser
@@Farvann heres the extended list:
#2: Farvann
@@DOROHEDOROFAN
#1 Farvann
#2 Jared Dines
Now that would have been a burn. You still gotta learn how to bully!
@@Farvann 😭😭
Dissection meets every criteria you set for being poser, yet it was the realest black metal out there. Their final albums sound is way different than black metal, and it sounds crystal clear, yet it has the most evil and satanic atmosphere from any band.
I’ve liked Grausamkeit (B.S.o.D) for years. Never heard ppl really talk about him until recently.
one of his songs got popular on tiktok a few years back
@@deadmanisboy2985Yeah, I just heard that from a comment on RFI. That’s weird, I thought Tiktok was a teeny bopper thing, I never thought something like that’d be on there. Strange times.
@@BarBarian-sy5xz It's the novelty of how unusual of an artist it is which was why teens liked it. Obscure, edgy backstory, music that sounds like it was recorded in a torture dungeon. Teens love boasting about their uniqueness in the most shallow ways possible, and something like Grausamkeit is a perfect band to show off just how quirky and different you are by being a listener.
@@amazingpasta666whoa, that’s a good breakdown. Makes sense too. I’m in my 40’s so I had no idea.
@@BarBarian-sy5xz It is teeny dopamine junkie app. All these people posting their corpsepaint faces in there are fucking pathetic normies
The thing that cracks me up about Burzum is Varg made 4 of the best atmospheric black metal albums ever. Then he proceeded to talk about how much he hates black metal.
The Thulean Poser. 😄
Elitists are posers, too.
Aren't they? 😅
Yes
We're all posers here 😎
@@Farvann 🤝🥳
love the tier list videos. The amount of bands you put me onto is insane.
Frank Riegler created Kanonenfieber as an accessible and well marketable project and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't remember Frank Riegler/Noise ever claiming that Kanonenfieber is Black Metal. Yes, it was published on Black Metal Promotion, but they even upload Doom or Death Metal sometimes. It's like the next logical step for someone who started with Sabaton, got bored but still liked the energy of it. His other side projects work the same way, Non Estus Deus is like that for bored Behemoth fans, and Leipa is like that for bored DSBM fans. I'd say it's like the musical equivalent of a bridge. His other early projects, Nemus and Dreamshift sound exactly like his current stuff, but lacked that aspect of "spiritual succession"/bridge
Different question: Where do you know his name? Has it been an open secret already on who' behind Kanonenfieber?
@@tobias3023yeah its a deathcore poser from south germany
how do you know noise name ?
@@tobias3023 No, but it seems like it's common'ish knowledge in Germany. And it is Riegler indeed, his wife - Sabine Riegler - is even listed as the contact person on the Noiserecords site.
Well, one could argue that calculated accesibility and market conformism in this degree actually is "wrong" - obviously not economically, but at least artistical and also especially from the historical perspective regarding the WWI theme.
As someone who listens to and enjoys dsbm i can confirm we are all posers (i personally listen to deathcore)
Just a german hating on the polish, nothing new here 🥱
hahahaha
what Polish?
@@starrdustt9717 Behemoth are from Poland. He's just joking.
@@Farvann they're ukrainian mafia, to set things strite
This video came up on my feed and this was funny! As much as I hate to admit it, yeah, Cradle and Behemoth are pretty beginner black metal. But really, even Kvlt Black Metal bands call each other posers, so the lesson here is the friends we made along the way my fellow posers 😂
I dunno, all of them released more than one album, most of their band isnt dead or having life sentence in prison, so by avarage reddit comment 99% of the black metal bands supposed to be poser. So i guess i am another poser weirdo who picks something he likes instead of being those "black metal elitist" who cant even agree what is black metal
P.S: Durbatuluk is the biggest poser of them all! :D
As soon as you put Immortal on the "Approved" teir I watched the rest. Fun video. Cheers.
Grausamkeit auf nem Farvann Thumpnail? Damit hätt ich nicht gerechnet, vor allem weil es eine meiner top 5 Black Metal bands ist!
You said for you, a poser band is a band that left black metal to make a different sound, which that's exactly what Burzum did. Stop contradicting yourself
I'm a great fan of Kanonenfieber. Period. :) And I am a Frenchman, so no grudge about WWI (or WWII... see you soon for WWIII) [In fact, I'm not a beginner... I listen to black metal since 30 years... and death metal since 31 years...]
Hell yeah
Hey french brother. At least this time we are on the same team
@@Agent_Ste Yeah! \m/
@@Bourbon_de_Gironde As partly German I am very much into French Death Metal (Mutilator/Mutilated, Catacomb, Mercyless, Skelethal) and French Black Metal (Darvulia, S.V.E.S.T., Cendres, Black Murder, Osculum Infame, Sainte Marie des Loups). But with Kanonenfieber we are definitely not in the same team.
The music is a cash grab on clueless individuals (accurately more mass people) with no taste in music except for cheap effects. Don't get into that terrain, it's dangerous. This stuff is in the same league as Metal Core and Melo Death, styles that neither get claimed by Metal nor Death Metal at all.
If you say That's my in group - you're out.
Carach Angren not being considered in this list is a travesty, probably the most poser black metal band I can think of lol
Only Limp Bizkit is S-tier.
I hope Bathory would have your stamp of approval
Bathory became viking metal before Quorthon died..
@Chaoswrought and? Does that make his previous stuff not black metal?
I realized recently that many posers just wearing darkthrone's shirts it becomes like fashion to them .i agree with ya !
Hey Farvann,
Your hoodie is grey, not black... poser!
....Great video/choices, for part 2 How about Tsjuder & Taake?
Lifelover is the exception for DSBM. Theyre not even black metal, but also not posers.
Love the ancient pc case
12 years 😄
I have heard the argument that there are also groups that are "digestible" BM. Ones that even my non metalhead wife enjoys, like Summoning, Caladan Brood, Saor, Mesarthim, etc. But these bands aren't "poser" in my opinion as they are a very specific type of Epic/Atmospheric BM that presents certain melodic qualities that aren't trying to be raw and relenting like a Black Cilice type of approach for example.
*Great video btw my friend, agreed on your opinions of these bands and this list 👍
a youtuber making a tier list about poser bands.
... yeah. 2024.
(it's a joke video pointing exactly that out 😉)
Hi, I'm new to the channel. I'm actually surprised to see Cradle of Filth and Ghost on this list. CoF has some songs that I would say is amazing, like Nymphetamine Fix, Her Ghost In The Fog. Anyway, the other bands on your list I don't listen to, some I've never even heard of. I'm very picky when it comes to metal. I did a quick search on your channel (didn't find) to see if you have any videos on Cadaveria, Opera IX and Necrodeath? These three are all Italian Black Metal bands with the latter leaning more towards Extreme Metal. They also seem to be related to each other. If you have some time perhaps you should check them out? I assure you they aren't posers, especially Opera IX.
Ghost is scooby doo chase music...But I do like Dark Funeral and Emperor a lot.
That's such an apt description! This is what I'm going to say next time someone recommends them to me (and I inevitably say no thanks).
I missed lengthy farvann videos :) nice birthday present
Nice coincidence! Happy birthday
@@Farvann Thaaaaanks
I don't agree as a symphonic black metal fan but I can realy enjoy your videos even if you make tierlists.
I usually like stuff with good production more and I know that thats a hot take but I think that filosofem and de mysteriis dom satanas have a very good production.
They what? And here I am, a polished sound poser who'd maybe actually like Burzum if all of it got re-recorded so it doesn't sound crappy :D
@@Berbasecks I mean, for 1990s Norwegian black metal the production on both albums is pretty good. But I'm Norwegian, so I have to say so. 😆
No Gorgoroth, huh? Even if it was there, I surely hope you would've approved of it. That band is my favorite of all the black metal bands I've heard. They truly are one of the OG's for the second wave. Overall, I like your decisions and the ranks.
Cradle of Filth started as Death Metal and went to Black. So it is a reverse poser situation
Same for Darkthrone, even Varg admits to jumping on the band wagon.
They were never really either, but always an extreme goth band.
@@metal_monocle7334 yep I see that. Though their DM demos were good. Low key would listen to well produced Death Metal album by them
Everyone knows deafheaven is the most trve form of black metal
Repeat after me: Behemoth is death metal (blackened death is death metal)
Yep. Sad but true
@@oleksandrbyelyenko435 kinda funny youre saying that, because this is exactly like a Metallica thing. Behemoth started as BM band and changed to DM. Metallica started their first four albums with thrash and changed in the 90s to hard rock(IDC the black album is hard rock). Did you say "sad but true" on purpose?😅
@@amitbitan no. Coincidence.
But well, you can argue, that Metallica played every (or almost every metal subgenre)
@@oleksandrbyelyenko435nah Metallica has not played every metal subgenre lmao
They've at have done thrash, heavy, hard rock at least. You don't see them churning out anything death, black, grind, power, prog, doom, sludge, or god forbid they do core
@@putridabomination check the link... Or well, if the link is deleted, go to Andriy Vasylenko, he has a video on it.
This doesn't do DSBM justice.
Behemoth almost dont even sound black metal. The satanist is one of the best records ive heard.
Because they are blackened death metal with fancy pants vibes
It's more of a death metal band, obviously the most famous band in the 'blackened death metal' genre. Don't rly love their latest stuff but older stuff yeah definitely and if u see them live it's always a good show imo, one time they were my favorite live band at Graspop festival some years ago when I saw them the first time, Nergal's way of singing past years is so awesome and makes the old stuff sound a lot better then the studio version imo, switching between that brutal low sound and higher stuff almost like Rotting Christ chanting all while wearing that hoodie and playing at his V guitar... yeah poser or not, when it comes to 'Metal' in general I wouldn't consider them posers, black metal wise yeah kinda, it's far from trve cvlt as it's mainly death and Elitists will call most of mainstream band posers or sellouts anyway, I understand that more when the band gets like all pop just to get more famous but if they just feel like changing in a certain direction meh, everyone can have their opinion in the end.
Behemoth stopped playing black metal since 1999. Good morning sunshine.
This definitely takes me back and I’m happy that I grew out of that way of thinking. What year is it? Just listen to your sounds.
Many people that hate CoF didn't listen to their really good stuff like V Empire
I only like the debut
For me the best is Principle and Vampire.
They cannot be called posers cause they never posed to be evil forest wandering black metal warriors an threat to kill all christians. Same goes for Immortal.
My top 2 CoF is cruelty and Midian and I can’t decide the order