Hot Takes and Unpopular Opinions on Black Metal
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- I asked you guys about your unpopular opinions on Black Metal. What you can see is that the biggest disputes exist between Old School Black Metal fans and Modern Black Metal fans.
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Thanks for those who won't have to look for it \m/
As often as you advertise this video, the amount you have to pay Bradley back for his appearance must be enormous. 😂
I would love to her your opinion on zeal and ardor
@@octomanf-zero 🤣
All he gets is a nice warm ale at a pub once I visit England again
Once, my mom tought I was listening to metal, but it turned out to be just my neighbour cutting a tree with a chainsaw. I still laugh about it
The irony should really make us question our existence 🤣
and why a chainsaw cannot be goregrind? honestly xddd
One morning, my air conditioner was making weird grinding and clanking noises, waking up my wife, and she asked me to turn down my music
I had been listening to a lot of Einstürzende Neubauten at the time 😅
Stuff like this happens to me XD
It happened way too often that I was just sitting down to hold a conversation or whatever and out of nowhere "wait are my headphones still on?" No. It was random noise from outside XD
One of my fave memories was at a festival where me and my friends thought a generator next to the camp site were drums on the main stage. It legit sounded like a double bass pedal, heavy AF.
I love how Farvan tells us to separate art from artists, but Dead not liking cats is where he draws the line. 😂🤘😾
I'm not sure if it's debunked or not, but didn't they say in interviews that Dead used to actively try to kill cats?
yeah, but he said it with "ironic" smile .... anyway, Dead was right, I also dislike cats as their meat is somehow strange (prefer rabbits much more)
I dont Like Cats either.
@@themadnes5413 :((((((
Gatekeeping isn't 100% bad. Gatekeeping maintains standards, and this is important. Standards prevent the scene from being diluted. Being an elitist prick, however, and purposely excluding new people from the scene who are curious, but clueless, is bad.
Not to mention those standards that people have, they themselves don't consistently maintain because I garuntee there are songs and bands they like but won't admit to themselves and others and human beings are naturally inconsistent creatures because of our stream of consciousness. Let people like and make music they like, diversity is incredibly healthy and the natural state of the world. Expand your horizons.
@@Remedy462realest take yet
Agreed.
Based. If someone's interested and just scratched the surface, and think they've reached the apotheosis of black metal with Nymphetamine, I'll gently nudge them in the right direction. I won't throw them straight into Jew Atomizer but I'll recommend a sample box of bands to get a feel for their preferences.
@DarthMizinthI like some of the rawest shit out there. And I don’t see what’s wrong with having cradle as a fav. Myself and many many others tend to like albums more than bands. Cradle has amazing albums. Did they get corny and a bit commercial? Absolutely. Are the first 2 records and the ep in between some of the greatest albums ever? Absolutely.
Not Farvann unintentionally sounding Swedish af while trying to impersonate a bri'ish accent 😂
Farvann jst discovered another way to do Q&A videos without really doing them😂
hahahaha
Shhh- if you say that too loudly this series may go away too! (Joking only jokes I promise hahah)
"I stay away from TikTok because I think it is the most garbage thing ever humanity has ever invented"
Mate, trver things have never been said
Coming from a German, though, is the ultimate irony lol.
TikTok is only good if it's a woman gyrating in hot skimpy skirts. The rest is for dumbasses with the attention span of a housefly.
@@HeathenDance tiktok is worse
Does TH-cam shorts 😂
My opinions...As I am older I dont care anymore if it is true or kvult or postblackmetal or whatever , if I like the song it is good in my book. Also Blackmetal is so alike to the romanticism artistic movement in many aspects. I often wonder why no one ever talks about that.
Some do like at DMU/DLA, this concept is a central theme
I used to be super anal about subgenre classifications, now I don't really care as long as I like the music and I've come across so many bands where they are subgenre fluid and have multiple influences even in one single song so it is hard to classify. I'm basically like, "Yeah, I think this is mostly post-metal, but they got other stuff so fuck it, the music rips."
Yeah I have the exact same feeling about this. When I was younger I had more "purist" thoughts about what the music should sound and be for me to like it. Now that I'm over twice the age than back then, 20 years ago, I take everything in as it is. For me it's more of the "feel" what the song and/or band brings in.
NOOO my favourite band is a blend of blackened death thrash and speed metal with norwegian folk music and industrial influences and I must refer to them as such every single time I speak about them completely umprompted
@@solidago1041 LOL
Here in the U.S. a lot of people call Ghost metal. I have even heard people say Nickleback is metal here- it's a very odd place with people who hold odd opinions.
I've never heard anybody call Nickelback metal but then again I've never heard anybody talk about metal
I wish I were joking, there are a lot of people that feel like when they hear a distorted guitar that it automatically makes the music metal or something I swear.
Discussing metal with people who enjoy metal music can be fun, but discussing metal music with the average "I like every genre of music" person that typically only listens to top radio hits can be tedious / amusing at times. @@WFly101
I've heard one or two metal songs by Nickelback, but to call either of these a metal band is ridiculous
Yeah, I call Ghost Pop Metal. They are in the metal genre, they write great, catchy music, but they are not a Metal band. They are a Pop Metal band. I do love Ghost too.
Its satanic abba metal 😂 i love ghost
Well i must say that a burzum Tshirt is actualy shocking from the most bands that are out there at least..
i had this new coworker at work that had a 2 months contract. and he was always silent, never spoke to anyone.
and then he showed up at work wearing a burzum shirt. none of my colleagues think anything about it or even know what "burzum" is.
but to me it felt like the pieces of the puzzle fall together why he is the way he is. as if i got more answers.
so i called him out on his tshirt and he said that he really is into black metal.
he liked bands like silencer, mayhem, darkthrone and more classics.
and we had a long pleasant conversation about that. since i also like black metal.
later on my boss came to me and he said that he heard from people that this new guy barely talks to anyone and seems to be very introvert and silent.
and that people can't get more than 2 sentences out of him, and that they feel a bit uneasy around him.
my boss said that he has been observing him from a distance and that he was surprised to see him having a quite long conversation with me.
So my boss asked me what we where talking about XD
A Burzum shirt is shocking?
@@jayceegee258 well not on most people. But on him, yes. He kinda had a this mysterious vibe you know. Like some kind of extremist being into burning churches kinda vibe. And him being so silent has kinda shown that he really might be a different person on the inside. Until i spoke to him about black metal.
@@Poemwriter_Angelo I see what you mean..
I have a Burzum shirt so I gotta make sure I don't come off like that lol
I think Burzum is shocking also because of Varg political orientation...
@@jayceegee258 I would just assume that you're a nazi sympathizer.
I always used to see black metal as an art form beyond what we call the "metal scene" even tho it is metal, its been explored in so many ways sonically and in atmosphere that it stands as a genre on its own far from the norm and thats exactly what made me fall in love with the music
Unless they are people who are not real metal and only play dress up. Real heavy metal people don’t play dress up only in concerts or for their mom, they are real people, always metal 24/7. And it is completely natural for who is real
@@peternicolini4751 you didnt understood anything from what i wrote lol - its okay
@@LePopPathetique Watch your grammar. "You didn't UNDERSTAND." Not "Didn't UNDERSTOOD."
@@peternicolini4751 You are talking about clothes, not music.
@@ThreadBomb No, I am talking EXACTLY about music. Learn the history of metal before speaking if you didn’t live it first hand. And there is no difference between the two, there cannot be one without the other, and don’t call them clothes, it is image, distinctive from the Masses. But nobody ever thought about it in reality, it was just completely natural. Metal is not only music as is not only image or philosophy. If you separate the pack, any of the pieces, it is simply NOT metal anymore. Weather the music, the image or the spirit. They are one. Only outsiders who DON’T want to sacrifice to Metal cannot understand this. It’s like the difference between bikers and civilians, just without Any club or written rule… and THIS is the Magic of Metal, what makes it special. It must be spontaneous to be real. Fake can be spotted immediately or neophytes (which are very welcome at any age if authentic). There are no written rules, but if you go too much astray it becomes simply something else. Black Metal comes from the Heavy Metal scene. Black Metal IS HEAVY METAL. Go look where Black Metal comes from. I want to share something with the younger ones here, because maybe you were not even born, in the 80’s, Before came up all these fancy names to define metal (if you are metal fans you know how many there are) there were many bands that were like Black Metal in the music and atmosphere. Just nobody called it Black Metal because the term didn’t exist yet. The more commercial the more fake, but in the underground where 1000 of bands you NEVER EVEN HEARD OF existed, there already were bands that today could have been considered Black Metal. Real Metal strives in the underground, in the local bands unknown, not in the commercial product made to sell. That is where the real metal scene is or was (not sure anymore). In the dark crapy recordings and demo cassettes and concerts of local bands in unknown abandoned places. That is Real Metal. And that is where Black Metal (only a name) came from
My hot take (idk if thats a hot ta, but it fits the topic):
Black Metal is actually a lot closer to lots of electronic music (especially older ones) than many BM-heads might want to admit. (Almost) Every other metal subgenre is mostly about writing songs, while BM often times creates a musical, evolving soundscape more akin to electronic music... It's less about the message and more about the experience.
Varg has said he got inspiration from going to raves, that massive wall of strobing sound they have there, one can see where the giant, encompassing atmosphere of Hvis lyset tar oss came from. It's still purely metal but electronic was a big influence for sure.
I'm not sure this is a hot takes. Just a theory and a excellent one btw... it's an excellent theory to think about the black metal universe amd his impact on listeners.
Not sure if it's a hot take. With the amount of dungeon synth and dark ambient that's incorporated into black metal, it's quite transparent.
@@-47- I was about to add the dungeon synth part, but I also think that some parts of the bm community seem to really enjoy that more extreme kind of breakbeat music and other, less dance- and more atmosspheric/ambient-focused electro genres.
90 % of Metal is considered Black Metal lol. Everything that has the guitars equalized in treble and doesn't sound happy like Iron Maiden is considered Black Metal. Period.
Really like this “instagram q&a” video format. Would love to see more of it in the future.
10:49 This is a point that deserves so much more attention imo, music made with raw production and played with little technical ability was something born out of punk rock music that BM would do very similarly in the 90s
I use to think Watain were overrated, but then I saw them live in New Zealand, and I was absolutely blown away by their performance.
Watain is genuinely great. In the digital era, when most people's attention spam is so reduced, I'm actually surprised to know that they have a secure fanbase. I only have one of their albums on CD, "Lawless Darkness", and it's top notch quality from start to finish.
Same, I always thought they were meeh and then I saw them live, almost got hit by a torch and now I'm a fan 😂
Fuck yeah was that in Wellington? Absolutely brutal show!
@@RustyDarlington Yep Wellington at Valhalla. Hopefully they will come back.
Underrated
Kanonenfieber is fucking GREAT. Blackned Death Metal with amazing ideas and execution. Nice video!
they are death metal with like 10% black metal. But they are best band in many many years. Their EU tour was sick
You also hear an „Core“ Influence on their new Song Kampf und Sturm in my opinion. Their Guitarists are really big into Deathcore. And it sounds fckn great, even if it’s not that Blackened anymore
@@afinedaytodie666 Dont Mr. Noise write all music?
@@counterspell69He threw a signed picture into the crowd, and It hit me in the eye.
Black metal is the only metal genre i have had a hard time getting into. But i really like your videos haha so keep it up.
You don't get into black metal. Black metal gets into you.
@@morbidcorpse5954 hahaha fair enough bro
@@nocomment9921 No. I'm just sitting here being an idiot. Music comes to people in different ways. Happy belated Thanksgiving!
What bands have you listened to?
@@morbidcorpse5954 i understood man! ❤️ i can take a joke. I didnt choose the hood life it chose me
Damn dude, I didn’t know you’re Durbatuluk! Thanks for the CD! (That was really nice that you gave a discount for the spine)
the norwegian scene has been really inclusive and non gate keeping for several years now. Most gatekeepers dont even realize that their inspiration bands are really chill lmao
You can even make a case and look beyond the norwegian scene and BM in general - I don't want to pose another hot take here, but generally: Oftentimes musicians are way less gatekeepers or elitist than their fans. Nowadays Metal musicians often listen to all kinds of music to draw inspiration from, and even in the 80s and 90s various forms of electronic music influenced BM hence dungeon synth etc. Some BM musicians stated they don't listen to BM or even Metal but New Wave, Synth Pop or Folk music when they want to compose BM songs - if they even listen to anything at all.
@@griefforest18709/10 times the artists that don’t actually listen to metal make black metal that sucks balls though tbf lol
@@WarMetalChud 9/10 of metal artists, regardless of what they listen to, make music that sucks balls
Yeah lol on the fenriz commentary tracks he usually step by step explains the formula, the gear and which bands he listened to for inspiration on each riff
@@vampmode9132 Fenriz has always been into old heavy metal, speed metal , punk and crust (as well as electronic music). Even when Darkthrone went 'black metal, it was more of a return to old school music like Autopsy, Celtic Frost etc. . They have never made a secret that they just played music they liked, rather than making an edgy and new music genre i.e. black metal.
Difference with 2nd wave and after is that the bm after it is more harder to play, use a bit more melodies or added more folk (medieval like) sound in their mix. Also the music is mixed better but not over the top good ofcourse. Most of the time its easier for people to get into that than with the second wave music because if it I guess.
10:25
I understand and in some ways agree with your point, but honestly I love all 3 of those sounds haha.
I love it when it sounds like a "broken toaster" I love it when it sounds raw but just right. I also love it when it sounds modern and clean.
I just love the sound of the genre no matter the audio quality or why it was made.
But I also agree that it's best when it sounds and is made for reasons you stated.
It all depends on the band and what I want to get out of it at a certain moment.
I enjoy Burzum on some misty mornings and the qualitiy has to be exactly like it is...and sometimes clean sound is what I'm looking for, so...
well. farvann loves to pretend to be alpha and omega about bm. there is a reason those kind of albums have many fans. ppl like that kind of sound design and quality. idk , maybe it soothes them
I hate that super-slick sound in metal (or anything). I call it "euro", because it seems predominant in Germany and Scandinavia.
3:33 I think it wasn't about corpse paint, but about bands that wear those masks with eye slits, like actual bank robbers. Maybe even Mgla style, without any eye slits.
That's strange, I quite like Kanonenfieber, the whole WW1 aesthetic and historical thing they have going on is quite cool to me, I also quite enjoy the music obviously.
Kanonenfieber are good and I didn't get why he said that
maybe because the guy behind Kanonenfieber is a bit scetchy. Buying klicks on yt or treating employees bad, I don't know if its actually all true.@@OminousIllustrations
@@Hevnorak is there any proof of this? i would like to see it to be honest. let me know
@@snader5485 Just leakt chat screenshots (Ger. only) and gossping as far as I know. I don't care that much tbh but some people really do.
I have worked in the music industry for 6 years now. My personal taste is UK Acid Techno. But the more time I spend working across all different genres and scenes the more I appreciate that people are just making music and expressing themselves. It's so easy for us to be snobs tell our selves that our scenes are superior but its all just taste.
“UK acid techno”
Haven't been watching long but I really appreciate and agree with your perspectives on black metal, especially when you talk about the soul and aesthetics of it. It's my favorite genre and we share many of the same sentiments.
FinistriArt guy here (the first opinion). Thanks Farvann. You completely got what I mean and didn't take it out of context. Obviously I embrace newbies who understand the culture and are worthy. Its about keeping the trash out.
And honestly this is my opinion on any other hobby/community. If there are no standards and integrity left it all goes eventually to shit.
Question, do you have any understanding for those who would love to get into the culture of Black Metal, but who may have an averse reaction towards the imagery and content depicted in it, especially if they may appear to be a different race, sex, gender, etc. than the ones most dominant in the (sub)genre? I assume you do and may feel my question to be ridiculous, but I would love to gain more clarification/insight to your perspective on this.
The great feeling of discovering underground music died with the internet, remember the overcopied albumcovers, and re-re-recordings that sounds that have been done in the basement....of hell, i miss that, so i just listen to the golden classics of the 1990's and early 2000's
Well, I'm still trying to get a tape of the new Master Of Cruelty album. It's still not that easy 😅
I love where you gave the examples of the black metal production 10:24
There are so many iconic moments in this video, even from the first 2 seconds when you mentioned the "platform for photos" xD
I agree with your take on ghost, however they do have a few metal sounding songs, like Majesty, cirice and absolution. But yes they're definitely a rock band and i think it's silly when people try to argue that they're not metal, because i mean... Ghost has never claimed to be metal xD
They actually have claimed to be metal in early interviews around the time of their second album. They actually said "If you went by 80s rules, then we would be Black Metal". I watched the interview, trying to sift through 11 years of interviews since then to find it is damn near impossible. But Ghost's first album was 100% metal. Tobias complained that they were on tour when the second album was mixed and they took all the "bite" out of the guitars, he said they were going to fix that on the third album. If you ever watch them play those songs live at Rock In Rio 2013 they sound a lot heavier. Ghost were 100% a metal band then...now though, it's harder to defend their new material.
When people go on about Sleep Token being metal, I am a lot more comfortable calling Ghost a metal band then Sleep Token.
@@Gregbaltzer I wouldn't consider either Ghost or Sleep Token to be metal but I am a lot more comfortable calling Ghost a band that can actually write fun and interesting songs in their genre lol
Almost 100k bro,you will get them fast ❤
Venom, Celtic Frost, Bathory etc. = First wave
Darkthrone, Burzum, Emperor etc. = Second wave
That is what those people mean.
I should not have taken a rip off the bong before that Carach Angren joke. I choked hard with laughter.
hahaha happy high flying
I gate keeped myself out of the genre years ago. I do miss it.
as someone whos been making varieties of BM for a while now I can confirm that like many genres, the passion and emotion comes before all else. its translated into the paint, the shrieks and dissonant chord progressions.
Just listen to what you like, what you love and if you want show it to your friends or the world. As long as the music sounds good for you, everything is fine. I listen to bands like Antrisch, Thulcandra, Saor, Harkla, Agrypnie, Orbit Culture, Vredehammer, Allegaeon, Shadow of Intent, Blind Guardian, Sabaton, Kanonenfieber, Batushka, Gojira bla bla bla bla. I don't care about their marketing or over-marketing. If they have good songs why should I complain about their marketing or wanting to get bigger with each release? If I don't like their new style, I just stick to the old ones and enjoy them. Why complain about a band that tries out something new? It is their project, so they should decide what they should play.
I understand people that complain about bands not sticking to their old sound and stuff, but there is no need to literally tell everyone over and over again that the new sound sucks. Just stick to older ones and let others enjoy the new modern sound
Here's my hot take: Goats are a terrible symbol of Satanism. I work at a petting zoo and I can assure you, they are just goofy eyed blobs on stilts. They are adorable little idiots, fluffy dumbasses. I love them very much, but evil they are not. If any animal embodies untamability, it's the nocturnal predator known as the common house cat. (which I love too) Think about it.
Well.. the goat symbolism is far older than any metal music
There's a goat pen near me, can confirm this.
Idk I’ve worked on farms and goats can be pretty territorial sometimes and won’t back down. Definitely not an animal that emanates demon energy though. They’re way too stupid to be evil lmao.
wrong animal, goose is the only personification of evil and chaos in this world lmao
I would say that the 2nd wave died around 1995-96, when the infamous Norwegian bands (and others) were no longer underground. Or nearly died, at least.
What came after that was a ton of bands that were inspired by the 2nd wave, but incorporated or mixed with other styles to create their own sound. I call this the third wave because there was a clear shift in the mid-nineties.
But there are still bands today that make black metal of the same style and creed as the second wave. So I think it is fair to say that the underground "pure" stuff hasn't died out completely.
Um auf die Thematik des Corpsepaints einzugehen, ich persönlich würde es folgendermaßen beschreiben.
Ein jeder (Black Metal) Musiker trägt zwei Seiten in sich, seine Alltagspersönlichkeit und sein künstlerisches Selbst. Das Corpsepaint des jeweiligen Künstlern gibt ihm die Möglichkeit sich für die Zeit des Tragens völlig seiner Kunstfigur hinzugeben.
Deswegen ist Corpsepaint auch in meinen Augen den Künstlern vorbehalten. Es ist nicht nur Schminke, es ist die Manifestation der Kreativität eines Künstlers.
Ich trage Corpsepaint ausschließlich wenn ich für meine Musik tätig bin, um ihm genau diese Bedeutung beizumessen und es nicht, wie viele andere, zu einem Witz zu machen
Darkened nocturn slaughtercult is the most underrated black metal band
Finally someone said it. That band is elusive as f..k. No interviews, no b.s, nothing. Just pure black metal.
@@morbidcorpse5954 onielar is the most badass vocalist people need to watch their live videos and wish she would spit blood on you!
Not a massive black metal fan but Mayhem is in my top five list of best bands I’ve seen live. I’ve traveled 8 years to Atlanta two years in a row just to see them. Totally worth it.
Darkthrone from Norway are still staying underground after nearly 40 years, and refuses to play live anywhere live for any amount of money offered. They are still making new albums, but that's it.
Don't know about their albums, but Obituary is one of the best live bands I have seen. Take a 70 bands festival, out of the 35 bands you'll actually going to see, Obituary will be number 1 (or close to it). Possibly tied with Immolation. Given they play at that festival and you manage to see them. Maybe I should rectify my situation with their albums.
cause of death is the best one.
i never understood why ghost fans find the idea of listening to metal without listening to metal is so appealing
Meeting girls at concerts? ;)
I like some Carach Angren. Please don't block me Farvann, I love you.
Recently I heard the newest Hexvessel album and I found a playlist from one of the members with some musics that inspired him to go more in Black Metal way in this album (the other one that I knew are very much folk than the new one). Anyway, talking about this playlist he said that Black Metal is, for him, not JUST a genre but a way to live. I don't know exactly why but I totally agree with this. I love other kinds of metal gothic, power metal but anyone of this are so immersing in my opinion. So about the appearance, I really love and use it on my days (I'm a scientist and work on 2 labs), not so strong as an artist on stage, of course. I feel not just empowered, as you said, but I feel expressed; identified and that is really important to me.
What are the bands that are playing at around the 10:30 mark? 🙏🧎♂
13:16 Personally I'd differentiate bands like Mayhem, Burzum or Watain form bands like Mgła, 1914, Manbryne. I'd call former 2nd wave BM and latter modern BM, main difference being modern BM tad bit easier on the ears.
I agreed with pretty much everything you said. I just subscribed because you really helped me answer a question about how I produce my music at 10:20. I also love Carach Angren. I first discovered them from watching a black metal horror movie called "Pyewacket" which was pretty creepy to be honest.
Ever heard of Pestlegion? Awesome BM band. I recommend hearing "The Witchhammer" from their album "Dominus Profundis"
Anyone who dislikes gatekeeping in black metal should face the wall.
Black metal and tiktok should be opposite worlds.
Great video and band recomndations :D
I like this video format, but some of the people asking questions clearly just started listening to Burzum a week ago
Black Metal is a lot like playing guitar itself, in the words of a teacher, "It's easy to play... badly."
I'm a black metal poser, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I think what that commenter means by modern BM versus second wave is that modern has a cleaner sound. They are still second wave, just second wave with cleaner production.
Just for this, if i ever play a concert, im wearing a three piece business suit.
Look up Sznur! They already do that
We BM enjoyers are gonna live under tons of stigmas, all we can do is keep enjoying BM
Have heard plenty of people say ghost are metal. Some even think they’re doom metal. Feels to me like they’re a pop/rock band trying to trade on the imagery of metal which doesn’t sit well with me personally but not going to lose any sleep over it.
i agree with the first guy. gatekeeping is quality control.
I agree about *OBITUARY* 💀..... they have a few songs but I never got heavily into them and first heard them in 1996.
In fact, I first listened to Morbid angel in 1995, loved them. Heard deicide in 1995 and hated them but took a second deeper listen in 1999 and realized how wrong i was
Cause of Death was a good album imo, I’m a huge James Murphy fan though.
I have every Obituary release, but I've been listening to them since 1990. There are a couple albums that I skip over though eg. Darkest Day, Xecutioner's Return.
Cause of Death is an indisputable part of the death metal pantheon.
Maybe I'm wrong but I consider the Post Black Metal as the Third Wave Black Metal.
I started to listen to black metal thanks to this channel. Thanks Farvann.
9:53 I think this question deserves a whole 20 min video on its own there is a tons of Black Metal bands that do sounds bad and that sound good speaking the sound quality solely now and I do enjoy them both now gonna argue which one is better we all know that you should listen to what you like but there is lot more to the topic to be said that there was in the short window I feel like good examples of bands and their styles
Im 47. Ive been a music fan all my life. Ive heard music of almost every music genre that catch my attention even latino music called salsa. In 2019 discovered Black Metal. I didn’t know anything about it and why the sound was so horrible. Today I consider Black metal home. The history of BM fascinates me and cant stop listening to it everyday.
I like how your British accents sounds Scandinavian.
I actually gotta say good produced BM brought me into Black Metal in general. A friend sent me a live performance in april of Kanonenfieber and I kinda liked it and one day I listened to their "Der Füsilier 1" and I loved it
But that still didnt bring me into that typical 2nd wave kinda shitty sound
That took something very depressing happening to me but atleast it brought me into that Genre so ig it also has good sides
love ur channel i discoverd BM yesturday since i listen mostly on pop
pop? Gross. Grow up.
Well the I only unpopular mindset I have on black metal is that I really really love the music - which hits the darkest places of my psyche -, but I really don’t give a fuck about the black metal scene. 🤷♂️
@Farvann I have always heard of Black Metal being broken into more waves than you describe. Yes it is broken by changing sounds and has a lot of timeline overlap. Modern Black Metal is likely the 5th wave, I dont listen to much modern Black Metal.
1st wave is where it started seperating from Thrash Metal but was still very close. Venom is sometimes called a 1st wave band. I would say early Sodom fits here.
2nd wave is where Black Metal become completely unique. Mayhem is described as 2nd wave. It is often the most crazy (musically not murdery) wave.
3rd wave kinda smoothed things over. Many band are much more professional. Likely any early Black Metal band not from Scandinavia fits here.
Ive heard Cradle of Firth described as 4th wave but I am really not familiar with anything past Immortal personally.
5th wave would be anything more mainstream or experimental the Cradle of Filth
4:56 That’s Sorrow from Austere, superb band and a really good guy to talk with.
my take away: my black metal band needs more bass
I'm a moderate Black Metal fan since the 80ties. Okay, maybe a fan of really hard metal would be a better description because I don't care about the color of metal, or labels in general.
My hot take: Painting your face makes you look like a band member of Kiss, and or a clown.
Fun video. One thing I'm confused on is: you stated you don't dig "modern" production on BM yet you said you dig stuff like Belphegor. They have a production that is not too dissimilar from Watain, Dimmu Borgir, etc so that was a bit confusing. If they are also considered 2nd wave, then how could Burzum and Belphegor both be 2nd wave?
Farvann you should do a video on your recording process with Reaper for black/death metal! I am new to this software and the learning curve has been steep, I just don't have the free time I had 10 years ago when I was making music with FL studio and before that, Magix music studio. I would also love to see your drum programming technique. I bought EZ drummer 3 a few months ago but I have only tinkered with a few beats, again the learning curve is rough for a super busy guy in his late 30's with ADHD. 😜
I got a little Recording School on Patreon. But it's more focused on beginners.
Regarding TikTok: I do know that Grausamkeit's Krätze suddenly exploded in popularity after it was featured on some random tiktok videos.
Yeah, I noticed that people mentioned Grausamkeit more often than before. Out of nothing. Like it's the 'new' Burzum or whatever. Interesting to see that this came from TikTok and not from their own minds.
Very funny considering BSoD has NSBM projects iirc
@@WarMetalChud BSoD has every kind of project you can imagine. From goofy meme shit to raw Black Metal. I can't take that guy serious.
@@Farvann I don't think he intends to be as his top priority
That bands been a meme for years. All the wizard hat and drug memes, that's not new.
15:19 *because it's a vibe.*
The ambience of black metal but it's all calm and chill in a creepy way (chilling it could be called.)
Prevalent Resistance is my favorite black metal band.
Everyone reading this should listen to them.
One time I thought I was listening to the heaviest black metal I had ever heard, but on second listen it was just the sound of the ocean 🤷♀️
As for experimental black metal: Angizia. Each release is an experience.
3:12 that is so true
Here's one: Most modern black metal is just 90s melodeath riffs with blast beats and screams.
Dark Funeral, Gorgoroth and Dissection fit your description, but I still like them.
My hot take: Rejoice! The Light Has Come have recreated DsO's atmosphere perfectly, to the point where you'd tell me it's DsO and I'd believe you (if I hadn't heard their whole discography yet)
I like your music and youtube channel even if I don't agree with everything what you are saying. I think that in times, when good quality of sound is not anymore hard to access, staying to raw quality is more of musical decoration than essential thing in whole genre. And by that I don't mean that it is a bad thing, quite the opposite, it's now harder to get proper low quality sound, and it can sound just crappy when stick to the "rules", what happened to me and I know now, that when I will be releasing full album it will in regular quality. It's not nesesery to record music on grinder to make it "true", because not only black metal, but music in general is just very intimate thing, so if black metal is msuic that spoke to someone's soul, then to make their own "true" black metal, it has to came from that corrupted by black metal soul. It's fine to copy style of different band or smth, but to inspire others and make them really enjoy your music, it has to have something new. Even if that novelty isn't obvious. And adding music to tiktok is unfortunatelly very helpful, I get why people are getting upset with black metal on that platform, but the fact that it's appearing in new media is good, it means that it's not dead yet and there are still people enjoying it.
I am absolutely for everyone to listen to or make whatever kind of music they like best.
But that doesn't mean I should not call out "Black Metal" that just isn't.
I think that guy refer the second wave to 90s, then Bathory's 80s the first. Anyway, Fallen is truly good.
Not related but listening to deaths dynamic shroud made me open up to more genres and one of them is black metal im pretty new to black metal but my favorite band is emperor thank you for listening 💀💀
haha i like your sense of humor, hice video Farvann! Saludos desde Argentina.
I like some raw bm stuff but I will always prefer stuff with better production. I don't mean it has to be a lot of computer production but I like the way that Mgła does it. Even with production it still has this bm atmosphere.
The production quality is not giving the sense of mainstream and in far most cases not even losing the rebellious attitude. Latter is one of the original elements rooting the tree of ideas that form black metal. The recording quality has actually nothing to do with the music itself. Maybe with its form of release, because in the 90s, when many bands explored into the genre, they simply had no other tools and utilities to make use of than cheap microphones and lacking sound engineers.
These days it is very cheap and available to records crystal clear audio. You should know yourself as you also do that.
The rebellious attitude was only put into the soundscape of recording through a potato. Nowadays you are able to make the rebellion a bit more obvious by actually recording decipherable music where you do not have to guess the chords or instrumentation.
Thank you! “ You should question your views on women if you like battle rap”
Rappers get no “hateful boycotts” just more radio coverage, meanwhile us white boys have to “tone it down”
'What do you want, people wearing suits?' Enough examples of those though: Fleshgod Apocalypse, Silverstein, and I'm sure Parkway Drive did for some, In This moment as well i think? Eventhough i don't really know a lot of these bands. In Black metal i dunno, but in metal in general there is more of that going on and everyone should do whatever they want. Maybe some Ghost songs can be considered metal, but it's more like a tribute old scool rock band indeed, and they're good, not everything they do is but most of it, high trees will always catch more of the wind.
Akercocke wore suits
@@demoskoval them too indeed
Dead's best work was Morbid. True black metal is basically extreme thrash, first wave like Morbid. I agree that doesn't exist anymore. It relied a lot less on double kick tremelo picking melodies more on high bpms.
Very true!! I love morbids live performances but sometimes I can’t sit through a live mayhem video😭
That Contratorn guy (1:52) said that viking metal is for posers, still has a patch with bathory on his vest. Also he critiques bm bands (or any other band outside of Romania) in the worst way possible while his main project is Post Metal band. He was also threatened by a band member at a gig for shouting at kids to stop staying at tables and to watch the band standing straight. Also he is 15, Lmao and all scene here hates him for being such cringe at gigs and fests. No wonder why you don't have girlfriend buddy.
Also, the main reason that he hates Watain is for the fact that Erik is a legitimate Satanist and drenches people at shows in blood, or maybe the fact that his mom doesn't let him go to see the band live ahahaha.
My hot take as a person that’s not a metalhead is that black metal is basically just metal but for theatre kids lol.
Also thank you for your content! I’m just starting to explore the scene to broaden my taste in different genres and this channel has been helping me alot on my journey so far ☺️✌🏻🖤✨
It's normal for a certain culture to evolve, and for new genres to emerge, eventhough it's breaking the "core" culture. The thing is to clearly differenciate the genres between themselves, and avoid "umbrella terms" that confuse people.
13:00 just getting into it, started following your videos around the same time I was exploring more rock sub genres
Underground is no longer a thing with internet, which is a good thing
Quality control more effective than gatekeeping. Art is subjective but give your own actual opinion regardless.
Nice shirt😏 Wederganger is one of my favorite Dutch Black Metal bands.
oh I love the "_____ isn't real metal." argument, it's truly the most insane cope from fanboys POSSIBLE to make such stupid claims.