just had a baby (8wks old) lack of sleep etc makes it easier for me to lose my temper. a real eye opener as i always thought i was chilled. i love this talk as i suddenly realised that im conditioned in the west to use anger when stressed and it is acceptable to be angry when tierd. but in reality , i should realise that anger isnt the natural answer. peace and kindness and compassion to the person you are arguing with allows them to do the same back. they will treat you with kindness too. thank you ajahn brahm for your talk
The Great Buddha encouraged us to question and not to be sheep that accept everything we hear. He even wanted us to question his teachings. And to learn to argue with friendship, respect, kindness, that is in the same spirit of being thinking, loving beings that are not merely creatures of conditioning.
I had a coworker who was on the opposite side of every political belief I have. He was a gentleman who could argue without making it personal. I learned so much from him and miss him more than many friends I had who have the same political views I do.
“.... we are doomed to argue! You will never agree with me.” What a 𝐑𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐞𝐟 to know that! What joy! I no longer have to try and convince that you’re wrong .... and I don’t have to try and convince you that I’m right. I can let our differences be ... LET OUR DIFFERENCES BE... and save a lot of energy and time instead of wasting it on arguing. .
@nealezumm: The answer in one word is: conditioning; just what Ajahn was talking about. Our experience most of the time has been that mellow people are also weak & lack courage. So, we learn to equate mellowness with weakness, foolishness & other negative qualities & even despise such people subconsciously. Here you have someone who is mellow (which triggers despise), yet has wisdom & courage (which trigger respect). As despise & respect arise in your mind at the same time, you are puzzled.
@SupermarketsRevil Consider this your training to consider an argument without considering the person who brings it forth and the way in which it is brought forth.
Catlover2015 that's a great one. That's why I don't speak until I'm spoken 2. And I keep very few words theirs no need 4 anyone 2 speak 2 mush. Especially if it's a woman.
@garouHH Now that I actually watched the pertinent part of the talk I realize that SupermarketsRevil actually only did what Ajahn Brahm asked for; too bad that his comment is gone.
I just took Ajahn Brahms perspective of Reincarnation to the reddit forum of atheism.. And those guys are ad hominem monsters :D They are soooooooo angry and personal and brutal. Why is that population so odd ? I know I make mistakes as well and I get drawn into this drama as well.. But it s soooo yucky and stupid.. But they love it.. They dont want a discussion based on fun and respect. They want to kill. Figuratively. They want to be the survivor. The fittest.. :D This world is so weird.
weremt you just looking for an argument posting buddhism in an atheism subreddit? Just let them have their philosophy and enjoy your own for less arguments.
Operant conditioning is Skinner not Piaget, who created the theory of schemata in cognitive development. Schemata are meaning making between the individual & their world. We actively make meaning from day 1, through life. This is classic Dev Psych, not Buddhist Psych, which says we’re born with effects of previous lives & between those & our reactions of aversion or craving in this life, create new seeds of cause & effect.
Though he means well, there is this thread of bias that creeps into his discourse. For example, he says that children should not be conditioned or "brainwashed" by some ideology. The problem is, this is simply not possible. There is no ideologically neutral educational program. The fact that he said he went along with Richard Dawkins goes far against his case, as Dawkins is one of the most ideologically oversaturated pundits on the planet. Also, Ajahn made the "true" joke about those with expertise in science obstructing progress. Well, experts are the ones who assist progress, and those who are unexpert do not. Ajahn Brahm means well, and his knowledge of Buddhism is first rate, but this does not make him an "expert" in fields in which he is not expert, and because of this he ends up falling into some basic errors of judgment about things like education and progress.
I went to English state schools in the 80/90's, they were supposed to have collective worship, but they mostly just fudged it, especially after primary school, (that had a slight Christian bias, as it was mostly white English kids), and RE was taught neutrally due to the mixed nature of the schools I went to. Despite this some children with religious parents, (mostly Muslims, but some xtian denominations too), were kept out of RE so that they didn't learn about other's religions. I think it is possible to have an education without religious bias, as it was mostly my experience, but it requires the cooperation of parents to not isolate and indoctrinate their children. Even though there was a slight xtian bias in my education I lean more towards, (without really being faithful), the dharmic religions, as they do not teach that good people are punished for following the wrong dogma. I know I've been conditioned in many ways, but I don't think I've been indoctrinated in terms of religious views, thanks to the schools I went to, and open minded agnostic parents, who resisted my grandparents desires to have me raised either Anglican or Catholic
Mental Elf Everything is indoctrinating for children. Teaching them religion, and not teaching them religion, both are indoctrination. There is no escape from indoctrination, and "non-religion" is not "more neutral." This is a common misconception in our secular age, but secularism is a pseudo-religious ideology, and the fact that you are saying you are glad you weren't indoctrinated is the clearest example of being indoctrinated. I do not mean that in a pejorative way, by the way, just descriptively.
Agreed. Some topics he discussed are not appropriate. Like talking about pedophiles. Saying they are kind who he visited them in prison! How can he get away with saying that!
just had a baby (8wks old) lack of sleep etc makes it easier for me to lose my temper. a real eye opener as i always thought i was chilled. i love this talk as i suddenly realised that im conditioned in the west to use anger when stressed and it is acceptable to be angry when tierd. but in reality , i should realise that anger isnt the natural answer. peace and kindness and compassion to the person you are arguing with allows them to do the same back. they will treat you with kindness too. thank you ajahn brahm for your talk
Lee Brockbank Beautiful, thanks for sharing! Hope it blossomed for you... And the baby :-)
Never bend the truth to fit your faith, a quote i agree with soo much! Good talk as always
The Great Buddha encouraged us to question and not to be sheep that accept everything we hear. He even wanted us to question his teachings. And to learn to argue with friendship, respect, kindness, that is in the same spirit of being thinking, loving beings that are not merely creatures of conditioning.
I had a coworker who was on the opposite side of every political belief I have. He was a gentleman who could argue without making it personal. I learned so much from him and miss him more than many friends I had who have the same political views I do.
“.... we are doomed to argue! You will never agree with me.” What a 𝐑𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐞𝐟 to know that! What joy! I no longer have to try and convince that you’re wrong .... and I don’t have to try and convince you that I’m right. I can let our differences be ... LET OUR DIFFERENCES BE... and save a lot of energy and time instead of wasting it on arguing. .
“...whoever wins the argument, they have to buy dinner!...” Wow! I love it. I’ll try this next time with my friends.
I like your talks there are super sensitive and calm and they make me go to sleep peacefully and hope you have a good day :)👍😄👍👍🇦🇺
"That's not an argument, that's just contradiction"
"No it isn't"
"Yes it is"
Monty Python Argument clinic LOL
Oh! I thought this was Abuse, sorry!
If we can not hear the questions, your answers mean nothing, can we please hear the question, love you, thank you!
thank you Ajahn Brahm for the talk
Like this talk so much..
Build up the friendship with christians, muslims, anybody because they will challenge you to look deeper..
Thanks for the great talk
Thank you Ajahn Brahm.
Very inspirational man
@nealezumm: The answer in one word is: conditioning; just what Ajahn was talking about. Our experience most of the time has been that mellow people are also weak & lack courage. So, we learn to equate mellowness with weakness, foolishness & other negative qualities & even despise such people subconsciously. Here you have someone who is mellow (which triggers despise), yet has wisdom & courage (which trigger respect). As despise & respect arise in your mind at the same time, you are puzzled.
Argument is the weakness . It takes no where but discussion does idea does .
Another excellent talk my man!
"And the Buddha brainwashed us all."
Ajahn Brahm~
So truthfull .
Amituofo 🌹🙏🌈
@SupermarketsRevil Consider this your training to consider an argument without considering the person who brings it forth and the way in which it is brought forth.
To avoid arguments, don't talk much.
Catlover2015 that's a great one. That's why I don't speak until I'm spoken 2. And I keep very few words theirs no need 4 anyone 2 speak 2 mush. Especially if it's a woman.
@@jeankilos3916 Who asked you? Liar. :D
whats wrong with laziness
@garouHH Now that I actually watched the pertinent part of the talk I realize that SupermarketsRevil actually only did what Ajahn Brahm asked for; too bad that his comment is gone.
I’ve got to get rid of all my views about Trump because all of it has been conditioned into me.
@Anastasia1me1kanter Ajahn Brahm is awesome
I just took Ajahn Brahms perspective of Reincarnation to the reddit forum of atheism.. And those guys are ad hominem monsters :D They are soooooooo angry and personal and brutal. Why is that population so odd ? I know I make mistakes as well and I get drawn into this drama as well.. But it s soooo yucky and stupid.. But they love it.. They dont want a discussion based on fun and respect. They want to kill. Figuratively. They want to be the survivor. The fittest.. :D This world is so weird.
weremt you just looking for an argument posting buddhism in an atheism subreddit? Just let them have their philosophy and enjoy your own for less arguments.
Conditioning Piaget cultural
Operant conditioning is Skinner not Piaget, who created the theory of schemata in cognitive development. Schemata are meaning making between the individual & their world. We actively make meaning from day 1, through life. This is classic Dev Psych, not Buddhist Psych, which says we’re born with effects of previous lives & between those & our reactions of aversion or craving in this life, create new seeds of cause & effect.
Though he means well, there is this thread of bias that creeps into his discourse. For example, he says that children should not be conditioned or "brainwashed" by some ideology. The problem is, this is simply not possible. There is no ideologically neutral educational program. The fact that he said he went along with Richard Dawkins goes far against his case, as Dawkins is one of the most ideologically oversaturated pundits on the planet. Also, Ajahn made the "true" joke about those with expertise in science obstructing progress. Well, experts are the ones who assist progress, and those who are unexpert do not. Ajahn Brahm means well, and his knowledge of Buddhism is first rate, but this does not make him an "expert" in fields in which he is not expert, and because of this he ends up falling into some basic errors of judgment about things like education and progress.
You are religious...
I went to English state schools in the 80/90's, they were supposed to have collective worship, but they mostly just fudged it, especially after primary school, (that had a slight Christian bias, as it was mostly white English kids), and RE was taught neutrally due to the mixed nature of the schools I went to. Despite this some children with religious parents, (mostly Muslims, but some xtian denominations too), were kept out of RE so that they didn't learn about other's religions.
I think it is possible to have an education without religious bias, as it was mostly my experience, but it requires the cooperation of parents to not isolate and indoctrinate their children.
Even though there was a slight xtian bias in my education I lean more towards, (without really being faithful), the dharmic religions, as they do not teach that good people are punished for following the wrong dogma. I know I've been conditioned in many ways, but I don't think I've been indoctrinated in terms of religious views, thanks to the schools I went to, and open minded agnostic parents, who resisted my grandparents desires to have me raised either Anglican or Catholic
Mental Elf Everything is indoctrinating for children. Teaching them religion, and not teaching them religion, both are indoctrination. There is no escape from indoctrination, and "non-religion" is not "more neutral." This is a common misconception in our secular age, but secularism is a pseudo-religious ideology, and the fact that you are saying you are glad you weren't indoctrinated is the clearest example of being indoctrinated. I do not mean that in a pejorative way, by the way, just descriptively.
Agreed. Some topics he discussed are not appropriate. Like talking about pedophiles. Saying they are kind who he visited them in prison! How can he get away with saying that!
The Pope is not divine only Jesus our lord god is he is divine. Read the Bible and u will b lieve.