I always thought of the Titans as morally gray to begin with. I mean, remember Algalon's speech after we defeat him? The Titans never hesitated in wiping out entire civilizations in seconds after deeming them "too corrupted". They made the Forge of Origination just in case they needed to incinerate us, and the only reason that didn't happen is because we were able to stop their herald. We are like ants to them. If getting rid of us really benefited them, I'm sure they wouldn't think twice about it.
In the end we will kill everything - Naaru, void lords, titans, faction leaders ... There always must be something to kill for the sake of raiding. - What are you fighting for? - LOOT!
Probably the trolls would have been exterminated by now. Night elves would have been left alone on the western continent, while the alliance would have fully settled the eastern continen and northrend. Doubtful the burning legion would have found a way back without the orcs tbh.
@@Still.No.Name. wait, if AU Azeroth fell to AU old gods, where is AU Sargeras and the AU burning legion...the rest of the AU Titan pantheon. will the ultimate BBEG be AU Corrupted Azeroth world soul?
Kinda explains why Illidan would lazer her tho. I mean, imagine all those things Meiv did to him back in the prison, and then having another chick trying to tentacle rape the poor guy
@Rose's Zen Garden what does that have to do with it? the whole point is that a rapist doesn't care what the victim wants, they just do whatever they want. Sure, he could fight, but what chance does he have? If he did manage to stop her once (which wouldn't be easy, Maiev is an extremely talented fighter), she'd just bring a couple sisters to hold him down next time. He would stand no chance at all against several of them. The fact that he is loyal to Tyrande is actually a reason why Maiev would do something like that. It would be forcing him to betray Tyrande, thus demonstrating Maiev's absolute power over him. And is Maiev above raping a prisoner? probably not. There is certainly nobody telling her she can't.
@@caffemocca8855 Honor? name me a Night Elf that knows the meaning of the word. The whole society is corrupt, as much as our real life society just differently. You can't have a flagrantly unequal society like that and also have honor. Not that I'm saying Night Elves are worse than anyone else. Every society has it's dark side.
Blizzard not only said they'd look into exploring other parts of the chart... They also said THEY'D FIRE THE CANNON! What about the Goblin Cannon, Bellular?!
I'd imagine if there was a full on twisting nether expansion, blizzard would probably do well to develop weird spacial mechanics like in Doctor Strange or an MC Escher painting.
I would actually be very interested in going back to an old expansions land and have a new story. It would be cool to see how things have progressed and it would also make the whole world feel more real. currently it's like we have just forgotten that outland/dreanor exist.
Thatd be cool but people will find an easy way to complain about it, as essentially blizz will be using or updating old content. And I honestly dont see outland or draenor changing all that much in appearance aside from a few more legion here and there and a few more lightforged hubs.
I think your looking at this to deeply bellular. You know brightbard was just there to honor the passing of someone close to blizzard. Its paradise because its someplace special. Away from all the conflict.
Yeah but that's not how world design works. You're referring to "God of the Author" which is a concept where author intent in turn affects the world, which is something that exists in writing, but not in World Design, that's one of the main differences between the two. The intent and reasoning behind it's inclusion has no bearing or impact upon the effects of it's inclusion and how the emergent interactions look when extrapolated out. World Design is more like cause and effect rather than simply telling a story like writing is. The two are both important parts of lore and go hand in hand, but they are distinctly separate. This is why there are people who are paid to do world design, and they aren't writers.
@@krzysztofczajka6752 I may have got some writing terms wrong, that's fair enough. My point though was that writing and world design are seperate concepts, I'm a world designer after all not a writer. The two go hand in hand in lore.
Hopefully nothing for awhile. I love the Titans and the whole Norse theme but we need a break. It can't just keep flopping between Titans and old gods. It is why I really hope the Jailer doesn't end up being some dead Titan. I would like new elements to be introduced
Most likely he has nothing to do with the Titans and instead the Titans are the children of the Arbiter who brought them into the mortal plane to slumber and awaken when they are grown and order the Universe. Meanwhile the Titan warped a few of them like Argus making him a Titan of Death forcing the Arbiter to punish him and even seal Argus to never wake but he came to wake by being forced by Sargeras who went against the Ordering into a chaotic view. Etc xP
Dam. Illidan's gonna f--- everything up in the Titan's homeworld somehow again, isn't he? Eyebeam an opposing factions ambassador during peace talks or something like that. Oh, classic Illy.
@@MrLightlike78 Seriously, it made me uncomfortable to watch her rapey light tendrils with her "mom knows best" dialogue mixed in. Erugh. Illidan did what any relatively sane person would do in that situation tbh
Illidan has always embraced arcane magic, he literally has arcane tattoos on him. I think he has a lot more in common with the Titans than most assume.
They're not arcane, they're fel. It was confirmed in Chronicle Vol. 3, the tattoos that Sargeras burned into Illidan's body were fel magic. Which makes sense because Sargeras turned his back on everything the Pantheon had stood for, instead embracing demonic powers over their natural arcane ones. That being said, Illidan was always deeply interested in magic in general and used sorcery to great effect during the War of the Ancients, most importantly during the period where Azshara had the Well of Eternity blocked to everyone outside of the Palace. He was weaker than when he had access to the Well, of course, but he could continue to cast spells when most could not.
hey, little recommendation: if you can, use the feature where you can kind of put these time stamps/sections on the bar. Just makes it look better and easier to know whats going on
In the blizzcon that they announced bfa someone asked for the reason of the demon hunters to participate in this war... and I think Ian said that demon hunters will be needed once again in the future , remember this big red light in the sky , when it goes off , the world might need the demon hunters again :) ( they said ) so maybe it has to do with the return of illidan and sargeras
@Bellular I think that the best way for AU Draenor, is that Blizzard should just say "atfter the time travel, the planet reappeared on the original orbit/tragectory as the original Draenor". Since Outland is essentially just a husk that floats through space I think that'd be the best way to wrap AU Draenor back into the WoW universe. That kinda cleans up any pitfalls that may afflict them due to multiverse theory, time travel etc. I think thats their best path forward. Maybe an Outland/AU Draenor expansion that updates them both and somehow brings them together could be fun.
I had this idea, too. Both are unique in their design and lore and yet too similar to justify an updated version of both. If Blizz manages to create a third Draenor out of it, one having the best of both setting mixed this would be optimal ... let us say the continent with the remnant of the Ogre-Empire in the south, but part of our continent not ending in water, but the Twisting Nether. Also what ever the forces of the Light did there plus the portals of Ner'zhul.
Yogg Saron colled Azeroth a 'Precious little seedling.' World souls may be planted into a planet before they erupt from it, instead of just originating inside the planet.
well, azeroths outer shell is more of an incubator than an egg, if azeroth actually "hatched" as a titan azeroth (planet) would be largely unaffected, aside from the lack of titan power running through its core, it would still function, argus didnt blow up when he was removed, tbh though there wasn't much left of argus by that point anyway, but all that happened is that the demon engines stopped being powered, nothing cataclysmic happened
@@adamlaidler3998 I wonder if that's what the well of eternity is for, to power the world of Azeroth after Azeroth awakens. The name makes sense too, it keeps the planet living for an eternity
I think it's highly unlikely that we'll get a revamped Outland. Or anything related to Outland or Draenor at all. That'd be our fourth time in that place (including the Warcraft 3 campaigns). Though I confess Outland has a special place in my heart.
If we battle Illidan again I want his new glaives Also gate ways to the cosmic lore (AKA new Magni) Medivh: Arcane realm Azshara: Void realm Illidan/Sargeras:Fel realm Calia/Xera: Light realm Malfurion /Green dragonflight:Nature realm
I agree Illidan is a dude that has always done what needs to be done no matter if its write or wrong and if he will be hated for his actions . He did everything to defend azeroth from the legion now he is the jailer of Sargeras how long till Illidan understands that Sargeras was doing the same but to defeat the void way more radically but still more or less the same reason winning a war at all means to protect what is most dear Azeroth for Illidan the universe for Sargeras :D
Doesn’t the DH class campaign involve Akama (either taking his shadow again, or having him serve you normally depending on who you chose as your lieutenant)
The cool thing about Draenor is that time advances differently (right?) So we could end up a couple hundred years in the future, maybe the dark portal is like a historic place where they have passed the story to their ancestors
Great video as always Bellular! As someone who has left and returned to the game, I wish that Blizzard would do a better job of presenting & connecting the lore. Apprently Chronicles was suppose to do this, until they later announced that it wasn't actually "Canon" but only Canon from the perspective of the Titans. I think if they are going to take us into the Cosmic realm that has been loosely introduced in WoW it would be great if they could help us better follow the story. There is clearly a balance between good and evil, villain and hero, dark and light. But it is often lost because they aren't give us a linear story to follow. Or at the very least one that is easily followed. Blizzard please motivate me to want to play your games, not just because they are fun, but because I want to be immersed.
I haven't commented on your videos before even though I have been watching them for a couple of years now. However this time you deserve a Big thumbs up for the great work you did on this particular video. Good job
Good video. I always enjoy when you make these original content stuff. Good theory crafting. Hope devs watch this to get some other ideas, even they forget some things and go oh yeah... we did leave that character off there didn't we.
sargeras was always morally loose, that's why he was the titan god of war, i very much doubt he is going to become good again, especially not in our life time, if you think about it, he got corrupted by the fel slowly over millenia of fighting them, it would take just aslong to fix him, and even then i doubt he would be "good"
Oh boy! you got me stressed now Bellular. And there I was thinking that there are just a couple, maybe 4 expansions maximum left of content, waiting to explore. Now with your way of thinking, i am afraid that MAYBE i will die of old age and never see the conclusion of World of Warcraft :P
All this sounds fun, but whatever leads me to being able to play as an ethereal is what I want. Been waiting 13 years to play one and want it just as much as I did back then.
I think maybe the leylines that run all over Azeroth could be used to open other portals with the help of the Blue Dragonflight. If the Dark Portal doesnt roar to life with an invasion of Yrel and the Lightbound or some other threat, it could possibly be used as a main source of travel with the power of the leylines to, adjust the frequency to wherever we might go. We still do have the Draenai spaceship from Legion and maybe other ships could be built.
Just a thought, if we go through space (and I think we will) we can start a bit closer to home. Like to the Moon. Elune isn’t just a deity, she’s also a place - a moon. It could be highly interesting.
"The Nathrezim are extremely ancient" - Incredibly overlooked fact. The nathrezim had cosmic knowledge that not even the titans possessed, i.e the void lords. I think it's a fair assumption that the nathrezim are as old or descend from a race possibly older than the titans.
Classic, BC, WotLK- Exploring original WC storylines. Cata, MoP, WoD- The Garrosh era. Legion, BFA, Shadowlands- Exploring the major cosmic players. Next 3 are likely focusing on the comic wars involving the groups set up in the last grouping. And I would guess be the end of WoW after 12.3.
How about an expansion where a mystery virus called Povid 2020 emerges from Pandaria, all boat travel is suspended and it crashes the AH. The peons in Orgrimar revolt over how Gammon was raided, occupy thunder bluff, burn the valley of honor and demand that all guards be disbanded.
When you started talking about going back to AU draenor, and the light conquest, I wondered if considering on the new exiles reach thing (or whatever the new starting zone is called) we see ogre using necromantic magics. Considering in Draenor we saw ogres use void so easily (although it was only Cho'gall to be fair) I wonder if the ogres could have survived by harnessing void/death magic (kind of using the lights polar opposite)?
In the Shadowland's trailer, Sylvanas said Azeroth was our prison, and she was going to set us all free, then there are all those portals in Shadowlands so, I'm guessing Blizz could be actually preparing itself to create a new hub to start exploration in the future? I actually would like to see it growing, and changing with each new expansion, it's farfetched but fun imo
It be kool where we do an expansion where we rebuild Outland whole I mean saurfang mentioned it’s still dying. Why not a whole expansion where we try saving it?
theres nothing left of our timelines draenor, the titan spirit died ages ago, and the planet is literally in shambles, just a bunch of floating rock and debris going through space, it would take azeroth waking up to fix that
Hunter LoL true. But we have the pillars of creation what if it’s us looking through the twisting nether and trying to forge the broken pieces back together restoring the elements. We can even be fighting off that massive ogre empire that has evolved out there. Hell we can even find new races that found refuge on some broken pieces after the legion came.
"If you drill down on the few bits of information that we sort of know about concretely with all of this.. there just is so much that could happen right. Just the fundamental characteristic of the cosmos as far as we are concerned here is that it has this massive scale."
I totally think a return to Outland would be a good play. Updating the TBC zones, TONS of nostalgia. Maybe have something to do with some cosmic force trying to use it as a gateway or something who knows
We can't really go to au draenor because its existence is limited. One of the books explained that alternate timelines just "fizzle out" at some point. This is mostlikely also what killed draenor in the maghar q line, the light doesn't just drain life.
I'd love to see some sort of consolidation of AU Draenor and Outland. Some powerful being/beings wanting the dying world of Outland to come back, or someone on AU Draenor having some reason to bring the two versions together, maybe Yrel conquers Draenor and wants more and instead of doing yet another portal invasion of Azeroth she sets her sights on Outland. Tearing the barriers between the two causing them to collide. Then we won't have to worry about the stupid AU stuff and it could all be happening in the prime universe, I'd be interested in seeing the two worlds collide either physically or metaphorically.
13:03 Xandros, like Outland, was torn apart by portals and has joined with the Twisting Nether. Therefore the Xandros we saw can only have been the prime timeline Xandros, not AU Xandros. Though your point remains as far as worlds, of course. There are likely many to still explore.
Blizz actually said the great dark beyond was not titan dominated and they were still searching it. So we should have room for many other races if they wish to go that route
I got to thinking. Locus walkers name. In Shadowlands we're called "Maw walkers" because of our ability to traverse the maw. The word locus essentially means a place where things happen. What it the locus walker's name means he can traverse the "Locus". My Theory is that the central place of the void realm, where the void lords dwell, is called the "Locus".
World of Warcraft: The Great Dark Beyond; We return from the Shadowlands to see Azeroth completely destroyed by the dark titan Azeroth, corrupted by the sword of Sargeras. Now we need to travel the cosmos in order to find the Titans to help us reclaim our world and restore the world soul.
that sounds dumb, considering azeroth will be a titan of creation, she would be unbeatable, think about it this way, we have never fought something as tough as a full titan before, aggramar was at 5% of his normal power in legion when we fight him, and argus had been drained for millenia and still wiped us all out multiple times and would have finished us all off if the other titans weren't there, and once again he was extremely weakened, we would have no hope in lore to actually beat azeroth and it would require retconning a whole fuck tonne of content just to make it fit, nah uh bad idea
@@adamlaidler3998 Yeah maybe. Regardless I like the thought of having to abandon the planet for whatever reason and seeking the solution elsewhere visiting all different worlds.
I think Nyalotha was more a regional local dimension shared by only the Azerothian Old Gods, much like The Emerald Dream, not that there isn't a larger OG realm, since it be curious to learn of non-Azerothian Old Gods. .
Problem with deamon leaders and etc is that Fel is supposed to represent Chaos to counter balance the Order or Arcane/the pantheon. This means it kinda goes against their nature to have a single leader from thier own kind which is why Saggy boy was thier leader and why when he was fighting them he noted that they were poweful but incapable of enough order to be truly effective, which is where saggy boy steped in.
The Nathrazim might predate the Legion, but so do the Draenei and he's going on like the Nathrazim are so much more ancient than any other race. Let's not forget that the Draenei are so ancient they have forgotten their own beginnings. I just wonder how many more ancient races are out there.
The Warcraft universe has gone a long way. We started with mediæval-ish kingdoms defending against the orcs, and now, we go Star Wars.
Evolving to starcraft
A perfect evolution
Any genre that lasts long enough goes to the Stars
Even westerns with Daniel craig from 007
@@jerry1dc I mean, Fast and Furious eventually went to space.
"We're going to get a more gray view of the Titans". Bellular, that sentence gave me shivers and flashbacks on Morally Gray Sylvannas...
yes, now we will have Aman'Thul killing Elune or something in a future expansion
I always thought of the Titans as morally gray to begin with. I mean, remember Algalon's speech after we defeat him? The Titans never hesitated in wiping out entire civilizations in seconds after deeming them "too corrupted". They made the Forge of Origination just in case they needed to incinerate us, and the only reason that didn't happen is because we were able to stop their herald.
We are like ants to them. If getting rid of us really benefited them, I'm sure they wouldn't think twice about it.
lol "killing boars and doing chores" somebody out that on a shirt
suddenly a thousand new guilds were born
Why dont you do it? You could earn a little bit of money
@@youstolemyhandleyoutwat Probably because it would only be a little bit.
@@ChinnuWoW th-cam.com/video/uN_EtlVp5nc/w-d-xo.html
@@ChinnuWoW or he already has a job and just can't be asked...
In the end we will kill everything - Naaru, void lords, titans, faction leaders ... There always must be something to kill for the sake of raiding.
- What are you fighting for?
- LOOT!
Would really kill to see an expansion-per-expansion deepdive on existing plot threads that haven't been resolved yet
*Clicks on the Video hoping to see Backside of Azeroth story... wanting a new MoP and gets AU Draenor*
I wonder what AU Azeroth looks like, an Azeroth where The Horde never invaded.
I've been wondering that for a long time. Probably more Trolls lol
I thought Blizzard said that AU Azeroth fell to the Old Gods and it is lost?
Like shit
Probably the trolls would have been exterminated by now. Night elves would have been left alone on the western continent, while the alliance would have fully settled the eastern continen and northrend. Doubtful the burning legion would have found a way back without the orcs tbh.
@@Still.No.Name. wait, if AU Azeroth fell to AU old gods, where is AU Sargeras and the AU burning legion...the rest of the AU Titan pantheon. will the ultimate BBEG be AU Corrupted Azeroth world soul?
"Xe'ra ready to tie him up, who knows?" Now that's the kind of paradise I'm talking about
"Power Word : Ass Destruction" hmmmmm
Oh yes heal that ass Xera UHHH
Kinda explains why Illidan would lazer her tho. I mean, imagine all those things Meiv did to him back in the prison, and then having another chick trying to tentacle rape the poor guy
@Rose's Zen Garden what does that have to do with it? the whole point is that a rapist doesn't care what the victim wants, they just do whatever they want. Sure, he could fight, but what chance does he have? If he did manage to stop her once (which wouldn't be easy, Maiev is an extremely talented fighter), she'd just bring a couple sisters to hold him down next time. He would stand no chance at all against several of them. The fact that he is loyal to Tyrande is actually a reason why Maiev would do something like that. It would be forcing him to betray Tyrande, thus demonstrating Maiev's absolute power over him. And is Maiev above raping a prisoner? probably not. There is certainly nobody telling her she can't.
@@sophiejones7727 lol Maiev obviously still has some honor and she definitely hated Illidan. Raping him didn't even cross her mind.
@@caffemocca8855 Honor? name me a Night Elf that knows the meaning of the word. The whole society is corrupt, as much as our real life society just differently. You can't have a flagrantly unequal society like that and also have honor. Not that I'm saying Night Elves are worse than anyone else. Every society has it's dark side.
Blizzard not only said they'd look into exploring other parts of the chart... They also said THEY'D FIRE THE CANNON! What about the Goblin Cannon, Bellular?!
They are going to fire the cannon at an invading LF Draenei ship dawg. ;)
I mean that was very clearly a joke if you’re ever actually listened to the question that led to that quote.
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Scrapped with the 8.3.5 plotline likely.
Jokes on them, the gnomes secretly switched the targeting computer out, it's actually pointed at org
i dont know why but i giggled when i saw illidans face in the thumbnail overlayed on the portal.
A line of dialogue in the Shadowlands intro questline clarifies that Oribos does not have titanic origins.
That's what I though.
I'd imagine if there was a full on twisting nether expansion, blizzard would probably do well to develop weird spacial mechanics like in Doctor Strange or an MC Escher painting.
Well actually, Shadowlands has some of that. ;) at least in the background.
I would actually be very interested in going back to an old expansions land and have a new story. It would be cool to see how things have progressed and it would also make the whole world feel more real. currently it's like we have just forgotten that outland/dreanor exist.
Thatd be cool but people will find an easy way to complain about it, as essentially blizz will be using or updating old content. And I honestly dont see outland or draenor changing all that much in appearance aside from a few more legion here and there and a few more lightforged hubs.
Well if you mean alternate draenor from WoD there is lorewise no way to get there again.
It was destroyed.
I think your looking at this to deeply bellular. You know brightbard was just there to honor the passing of someone close to blizzard. Its paradise because its someplace special. Away from all the conflict.
yea it'd be kind of fucked up for blizzard to just twist the meaning to him getting xe'ra bdsm
Yeah but that's not how world design works. You're referring to "God of the Author" which is a concept where author intent in turn affects the world, which is something that exists in writing, but not in World Design, that's one of the main differences between the two. The intent and reasoning behind it's inclusion has no bearing or impact upon the effects of it's inclusion and how the emergent interactions look when extrapolated out. World Design is more like cause and effect rather than simply telling a story like writing is. The two are both important parts of lore and go hand in hand, but they are distinctly separate. This is why there are people who are paid to do world design, and they aren't writers.
@@krzysztofczajka6752 I may have got some writing terms wrong, that's fair enough. My point though was that writing and world design are seperate concepts, I'm a world designer after all not a writer. The two go hand in hand in lore.
Hopefully nothing for awhile. I love the Titans and the whole Norse theme but we need a break. It can't just keep flopping between Titans and old gods. It is why I really hope the Jailer doesn't end up being some dead Titan. I would like new elements to be introduced
For me after Shadowlands we should go to the light, them arcane, nature and Last fel
I'm hoping the Jailer was like the galactus of Warcraft, from the former universe or the beginning
Most likely he has nothing to do with the Titans and instead the Titans are the children of the Arbiter who brought them into the mortal plane to slumber and awaken when they are grown and order the Universe. Meanwhile the Titan warped a few of them like Argus making him a Titan of Death forcing the Arbiter to punish him and even seal Argus to never wake but he came to wake by being forced by Sargeras who went against the Ordering into a chaotic view.
Etc xP
@@sergiovergaramontemiranda2116 holy shit how long u want to go on?
@@dominikpalm4353 Blizz wont let warcraft die so why not use those themes?
Dam. Illidan's gonna f--- everything up in the Titan's homeworld somehow again, isn't he? Eyebeam an opposing factions ambassador during peace talks or something like that. Oh, classic Illy.
My favorite edge lord
Illidan would've played nice with X'era but she tried to dictate his path, only path Illidan follows is his own.
@@UltimateGamerCC and she was ominously pushy about it, kinda gave me the creeps.
doubt it illidan will show his true colors soon he is a demon pretending to jail sargeras they are going to murder the pantheon and undo the universe
@@MrLightlike78 Seriously, it made me uncomfortable to watch her rapey light tendrils with her "mom knows best" dialogue mixed in. Erugh. Illidan did what any relatively sane person would do in that situation tbh
"Xe'ra ready to tie him up--"
Damn it Bellular, I narrowly avoided spitting this beer out right onto my keyboard.
Illidan has always embraced arcane magic, he literally has arcane tattoos on him. I think he has a lot more in common with the Titans than most assume.
They're not arcane, they're fel. It was confirmed in Chronicle Vol. 3, the tattoos that Sargeras burned into Illidan's body were fel magic. Which makes sense because Sargeras turned his back on everything the Pantheon had stood for, instead embracing demonic powers over their natural arcane ones.
That being said, Illidan was always deeply interested in magic in general and used sorcery to great effect during the War of the Ancients, most importantly during the period where Azshara had the Well of Eternity blocked to everyone outside of the Palace. He was weaker than when he had access to the Well, of course, but he could continue to cast spells when most could not.
Very interesting video
hey, little recommendation: if you can, use the feature where you can kind of put these time stamps/sections on the bar. Just makes it look better and easier to know whats going on
No one:
Absolutely no one:
Bellular: LIFELANDS
What about orcs that went through one of the portals ner’zhul made before the planet broke?
I think they came to Azeroth from draenor
Mora than 1 portal created
Great idea! This could open up to so many different concept of worlds
In the blizzcon that they announced bfa someone asked for the reason of the demon hunters to participate in this war... and I think Ian said that demon hunters will be needed once again in the future , remember this big red light in the sky , when it goes off , the world might need the demon hunters again :) ( they said ) so maybe it has to do with the return of illidan and sargeras
@Bellular I think that the best way for AU Draenor, is that Blizzard should just say "atfter the time travel, the planet reappeared on the original orbit/tragectory as the original Draenor". Since Outland is essentially just a husk that floats through space I think that'd be the best way to wrap AU Draenor back into the WoW universe. That kinda cleans up any pitfalls that may afflict them due to multiverse theory, time travel etc. I think thats their best path forward. Maybe an Outland/AU Draenor expansion that updates them both and somehow brings them together could be fun.
I had this idea, too. Both are unique in their design and lore and yet too similar to justify an updated version of both. If Blizz manages to create a third Draenor out of it, one having the best of both setting mixed this would be optimal ... let us say the continent with the remnant of the Ogre-Empire in the south, but part of our continent not ending in water, but the Twisting Nether. Also what ever the forces of the Light did there plus the portals of Ner'zhul.
Yogg Saron colled Azeroth a 'Precious little seedling.' World souls may be planted into a planet before they erupt from it, instead of just originating inside the planet.
@enkadu007 What does that have to do with any of the comment?
@enkadu007 What?
enkadu007 everything alright at home, buddy?
enkadu007 holy shit you’re a genius. How’d you find out that secret information???
enkadu007 wait it’s a game? No fucking way! You god damn genius.
I just imagined Illidan slashing up sargaras's face while hes stuck in that chair for all eternity
Illidan is essentially Sargaras's cat.
You mean like that scene in Reservoir Dogs?
@@theperfectbeing kinda more like blade dance spam on his face lol
Sargeras gets to play Illidan's target dummy for a long time.
I need “killing boats and doing chores” on a shirt! Make that happen, BellularGaming!
What’s the ilvl on that jacket, Bell? Looking fly!
Clearly a legendary
Corrupted gear
Level 1 clearly purely cosmetic
OMG, I truly truly hope we get to see the how, why, where and when Illidan pisses off the Titans. Please Blizzard, please.
The Fresh Prince of the Great Dark Beyond
Yo there , keep up the good work , love your vids
Pretty gnarly Genn Greymane cosplay u got there
I wonder if the best thing that could happen to our characters is the World Souls death. How well does the egg shell survive the bird hatching.
well, azeroths outer shell is more of an incubator than an egg, if azeroth actually "hatched" as a titan azeroth (planet) would be largely unaffected, aside from the lack of titan power running through its core, it would still function, argus didnt blow up when he was removed, tbh though there wasn't much left of argus by that point anyway, but all that happened is that the demon engines stopped being powered, nothing cataclysmic happened
@@adamlaidler3998 I wonder if that's what the well of eternity is for, to power the world of Azeroth after Azeroth awakens. The name makes sense too, it keeps the planet living for an eternity
I imagine azeroth is named after azathoth from h.p lovecraft, in which if azathoth were to ever wake up we would all die.
I think it's highly unlikely that we'll get a revamped Outland. Or anything related to Outland or Draenor at all. That'd be our fourth time in that place (including the Warcraft 3 campaigns). Though I confess Outland has a special place in my heart.
callin it now: illidan becomes the new shadowlands jailer. remember how much of a gary-stu he was in legion? yeah. im prepared to roll my eyes
The thumbnail with Illidan makes it look like the pillar is his finger and he's doing the "shhh"
this vid was good keep it up bell.
If we battle Illidan again I want his new glaives
Also gate ways to the cosmic lore (AKA new Magni)
Medivh: Arcane realm
Azshara: Void realm
Illidan/Sargeras:Fel realm
Calia/Xera: Light realm
Malfurion /Green dragonflight:Nature realm
Ohhh, I def want more Medivh-such a cool character.
If you mean the green flame glaives, we did get them with the mage tower back in Legion for havoc DH
those glaives are now unobtainable, they were the havoc DH reward for the magetower as someone else mentioned
Gallywix: Realm Grinder
I got the glaives from the mage tower and it was the most stressful time in my whole time playing world of warcraft lol.
I agree Illidan is a dude that has always done what needs to be done no matter if its write or wrong and if he will be hated for his actions . He did everything to defend azeroth from the legion now he is the jailer of Sargeras how long till Illidan understands that Sargeras was doing the same but to defeat the void way more radically but still more or less the same reason winning a war at all means to protect what is most dear Azeroth for Illidan the universe for Sargeras :D
All Bellular's missing is an explorers hat...
Then his Indiana Jones transmog will be complete. LOL
Doesn’t the DH class campaign involve Akama (either taking his shadow again, or having him serve you normally depending on who you chose as your lieutenant)
Nice jacket! Also, vids on Sunday are awesome.
The cool thing about Draenor is that time advances differently (right?) So we could end up a couple hundred years in the future, maybe the dark portal is like a historic place where they have passed the story to their ancestors
Damn these thumbnails get me every time
Xera tying him up... taste of paradise. I didn't know you had it in you Bro. best
Ah, another Ancient Aliens video. Can't have enough of those.
Illidan, Sargeras and rest of the Titans are drinking Beers and eating Penauts while watching Azeroth TV Novella 😂😂🤭
Great video as always Bellular! As someone who has left and returned to the game, I wish that Blizzard would do a better job of presenting & connecting the lore. Apprently Chronicles was suppose to do this, until they later announced that it wasn't actually "Canon" but only Canon from the perspective of the Titans.
I think if they are going to take us into the Cosmic realm that has been loosely introduced in WoW it would be great if they could help us better follow the story. There is clearly a balance between good and evil, villain and hero, dark and light. But it is often lost because they aren't give us a linear story to follow. Or at the very least one that is easily followed.
Blizzard please motivate me to want to play your games, not just because they are fun, but because I want to be immersed.
I haven't commented on your videos before even though I have been watching them for a couple of years now. However this time you deserve a Big thumbs up for the great work you did on this particular video. Good job
I'm SO glad I'm not the only one who has explained something from WoW with an example from Star Trek lol.
To think that once all my warrior had to think about was dealing with some quillboars...
Good video. I always enjoy when you make these original content stuff. Good theory crafting. Hope devs watch this to get some other ideas, even they forget some things and go oh yeah... we did leave that character off there didn't we.
All I will say is Shadowlands is a great place to start seeding the lore with tidbits about other worlds.
All of this ends fighting the void with illidan and Sargeras with us!!! The Final Redemption!!
sargeras was always morally loose, that's why he was the titan god of war, i very much doubt he is going to become good again, especially not in our life time, if you think about it, he got corrupted by the fel slowly over millenia of fighting them, it would take just aslong to fix him, and even then i doubt he would be "good"
Oh boy! you got me stressed now Bellular. And there I was thinking that there are just a couple, maybe 4 expansions maximum left of content, waiting to explore. Now with your way of thinking, i am afraid that MAYBE i will die of old age and never see the conclusion of World of Warcraft :P
All this sounds fun, but whatever leads me to being able to play as an ethereal is what I want. Been waiting 13 years to play one and want it just as much as I did back then.
I think maybe the leylines that run all over Azeroth could be used to open other portals with the help of the Blue Dragonflight. If the Dark Portal doesnt roar to life with an invasion of Yrel and the Lightbound or some other threat, it could possibly be used as a main source of travel with the power of the leylines to, adjust the frequency to wherever we might go. We still do have the Draenai spaceship from Legion and maybe other ships could be built.
Just a thought, if we go through space (and I think we will) we can start a bit closer to home. Like to the Moon. Elune isn’t just a deity, she’s also a place - a moon. It could be highly interesting.
Akama had his shade pulled back out of him by the Illidari lol.
"The Nathrezim are extremely ancient" - Incredibly overlooked fact. The nathrezim had cosmic knowledge that not even the titans possessed, i.e the void lords. I think it's a fair assumption that the nathrezim are as old or descend from a race possibly older than the titans.
The Nathrezim are also extremely dead, thaks to our NE boy. He blew off their homeworld.
@@bgcvetan There's a lot of Nathrezim still alive and still out in the great dark beyond. They are most definitely not dead.
Classic, BC, WotLK- Exploring original WC storylines. Cata, MoP, WoD- The Garrosh era. Legion, BFA, Shadowlands- Exploring the major cosmic players. Next 3 are likely focusing on the comic wars involving the groups set up in the last grouping. And I would guess be the end of WoW after 12.3.
How about an expansion where a mystery virus called Povid 2020 emerges from Pandaria, all boat travel is suspended and it crashes the AH. The peons in Orgrimar revolt over how Gammon was raided, occupy thunder bluff, burn the valley of honor and demand that all guards be disbanded.
Us: “”Illidan! What are you doing back? And where are the Titans?””
Illidan: “”I ate them.... they were delicious!””
....what?
That's what they get for not bringing Maiev along to fill those boots
When you started talking about going back to AU draenor, and the light conquest, I wondered if considering on the new exiles reach thing (or whatever the new starting zone is called) we see ogre using necromantic magics. Considering in Draenor we saw ogres use void so easily (although it was only Cho'gall to be fair) I wonder if the ogres could have survived by harnessing void/death magic (kind of using the lights polar opposite)?
So much information, thanks bro
In the Shadowland's trailer, Sylvanas said Azeroth was our prison, and she was going to set us all free, then there are all those portals in Shadowlands so, I'm guessing Blizz could be actually preparing itself to create a new hub to start exploration in the future? I actually would like to see it growing, and changing with each new expansion, it's farfetched but fun imo
It be kool where we do an expansion where we rebuild Outland whole I mean saurfang mentioned it’s still dying. Why not a whole expansion where we try saving it?
theres nothing left of our timelines draenor, the titan spirit died ages ago, and the planet is literally in shambles, just a bunch of floating rock and debris going through space, it would take azeroth waking up to fix that
We literally haven't been able to fix a giant sword in one zone of Azeroth, what makes you think we can fix a planet that's in a shit ton of pieces.
@@adamlaidler3998 sounds like an expansions worth or 2 of effort then
Hunter LoL true. But we have the pillars of creation what if it’s us looking through the twisting nether and trying to forge the broken pieces back together restoring the elements.
We can even be fighting off that massive ogre empire that has evolved out there. Hell we can even find new races that found refuge on some broken pieces after the legion came.
"If you drill down on the few bits of information that we sort of know about concretely with all of this.. there just is so much that could happen right. Just the fundamental characteristic of the cosmos as far as we are concerned here is that it has this massive scale."
Cool video, but! Did you imply that the Shadowlands were shaped by the Titans? Where do you get that from?
I totally think a return to Outland would be a good play. Updating the TBC zones, TONS of nostalgia. Maybe have something to do with some cosmic force trying to use it as a gateway or something who knows
We can't really go to au draenor because its existence is limited. One of the books explained that alternate timelines just "fizzle out" at some point. This is mostlikely also what killed draenor in the maghar q line, the light doesn't just drain life.
I'm always picturing them playing cards in the pantheon spaceship
I'd love to see some sort of consolidation of AU Draenor and Outland. Some powerful being/beings wanting the dying world of Outland to come back, or someone on AU Draenor having some reason to bring the two versions together, maybe Yrel conquers Draenor and wants more and instead of doing yet another portal invasion of Azeroth she sets her sights on Outland. Tearing the barriers between the two causing them to collide. Then we won't have to worry about the stupid AU stuff and it could all be happening in the prime universe, I'd be interested in seeing the two worlds collide either physically or metaphorically.
Nathreza was blasted to bits in Illidan
13:03 Xandros, like Outland, was torn apart by portals and has joined with the Twisting Nether. Therefore the Xandros we saw can only have been the prime timeline Xandros, not AU Xandros.
Though your point remains as far as worlds, of course. There are likely many to still explore.
dreadlords have always been my favorite WoW concept
They are the reason I got hyped for Wow after playing wc3. I always wanted to be a druglord.. I mean Dreadlord.
“Killing boats and doing chores” I DEMAND a t-shirt
Boars.
I'm picturing blizzard watching this and say "oh yeah, that would be a good idea for futur xpac"
That Bridenbrad quest gets me every single time
Blizz actually said the great dark beyond was not titan dominated and they were still searching it. So we should have room for many other races if they wish to go that route
I got to thinking. Locus walkers name. In Shadowlands we're called "Maw walkers" because of our ability to traverse the maw. The word locus essentially means a place where things happen. What it the locus walker's name means he can traverse the "Locus". My Theory is that the central place of the void realm, where the void lords dwell, is called the "Locus".
Gaaah! Watching you talk abt this game, always makes me wanna go back and play!
Finally started playing a DK and this is what I wana know
World of Warcraft: The Great Dark Beyond; We return from the Shadowlands to see Azeroth completely destroyed by the dark titan Azeroth, corrupted by the sword of Sargeras. Now we need to travel the cosmos in order to find the Titans to help us reclaim our world and restore the world soul.
that sounds dumb, considering azeroth will be a titan of creation, she would be unbeatable, think about it this way, we have never fought something as tough as a full titan before, aggramar was at 5% of his normal power in legion when we fight him, and argus had been drained for millenia and still wiped us all out multiple times and would have finished us all off if the other titans weren't there, and once again he was extremely weakened, we would have no hope in lore to actually beat azeroth and it would require retconning a whole fuck tonne of content just to make it fit, nah uh bad idea
@@adamlaidler3998 Yeah maybe. Regardless I like the thought of having to abandon the planet for whatever reason and seeking the solution elsewhere visiting all different worlds.
we have dealt with the traitor Akama, his soul is tied to my Shade of Akama in my demon hunter order hall. he has no power anymore.
I think Bellular made a mistake at 05:57 when he talks about the "noble intentions of the Shadowlands". I believe he means the Titans.
"killing boars and doing chores" love it
Good video belluar, i did like this one.
At the end, it means The Betrayer One is gonna be back when the time comes. Illidari
I just want Azeroth to show up in a physical form.
I have question , where do the elements ( fire,water,air,and earth) go after being slained ?
Back to their elemental planes, but, if u kill them there, who knows ? Never found anything about it
@@RavenIV maybe they have anima just like the rest of the living things, who knows, interesting question my dude
Yesss more Outland!
Wasnt Nathrezar destroyed by Illidan and the demon hunters in the Illidan novel?
Start growing a beard now Bellular. Trust me mate.
Get a corona beard like the rest of us?
He's trying man he's trying...but the baby face is strong with this one
With BC:classic right around the corner, I wouldn't be surprised if an Outlands revamp happens in some future expansion. 🤔
Bellular: will xera tie him up
Me: xera is kinky
I've always wondered if Outland is near or in the Twisting Nether why time didn't act differently during BC
It was ripped apart by nether magic. It is not in the twisting nether technically.?
@@kyleganse4978 I remember in BC characters talking about how the areas of like Hellfire, Netherstorm were on the fringes of the Twisting Nether.
I think Nyalotha was more a regional local dimension shared by only the Azerothian Old Gods, much like The Emerald Dream, not that there isn't a larger OG realm, since it be curious to learn of non-Azerothian Old Gods. .
Problem with deamon leaders and etc is that Fel is supposed to represent Chaos to counter balance the Order or Arcane/the pantheon. This means it kinda goes against their nature to have a single leader from thier own kind which is why Saggy boy was thier leader and why when he was fighting them he noted that they were poweful but incapable of enough order to be truly effective, which is where saggy boy steped in.
Illidan just vibin
The Nathrazim might predate the Legion, but so do the Draenei and he's going on like the Nathrazim are so much more ancient than any other race. Let's not forget that the Draenei are so ancient they have forgotten their own beginnings. I just wonder how many more ancient races are out there.
So excited!