I went to a chiropractor when I was a sophomore in high school because I had back problems and could barely walk normal. The first thing I remember was they sat me down on a chair and asked me if I wanted the shock treatment or the massage table to help “lossen me up” I said no to the shock treatment and they tried to continually convince me to do it but I refused. While my stepmom and the chiropractor were talking I fell asleep on the table and woke up to an intense electricity going through my body. Apparently while I was asleep they hooked up the pads all over and put it on its highest power. And I couldn’t move and was in so much pain. I screamed and told them to stop. And when I asked them WTH was wrong with them they said we really thought you would like it, “just thought you were being dramatic”. I didn’t even feel better after the experience I was originally there for.
Dam, I'm sorry that happened to you. But ts fucks like these thay nullify some of the good work others have done. I can say from my experience that they were awesome and did wonders on my back pain and ankle pain
My dad’s a traumatologist, he HATES those guys. Many people go to him to fix the problems chiropractors started and the thing is, there’s nothing much that can be done! Dont let anyone play with your literal backbone, people!
ts founder, Daniel David Palmer (1845-1913), was a practicing mesmerist and spiritualist who attributed his “discovery” of chiropractic in 1895 to “communications” from the disembodied spirit of a deceased physician. Literally go see any licensed doctor and or physical therapy. Chiro is a cult
Someone ran into my mom when she was 17 with their car. It gave her spinal issues for life. When i was 17 she used to go to this chiropractor about 2 times a week and would never stop raving about it. Me being an angsty teen who had to learn about everything, I educated myself on chiropractors and the danger they pose to a persons body. I had so many back and forth conversations with her about her health. She never wanted to hear it. I moved away for school at 18 and recently when I went to visit her, (im 23 now) i asked her about her neck and if she still sees chiropractors. Turns out they fucked up her spine so bad that her disks have slipped even further out of alignment and now she has even more pinched nerves. She never told me because she isnt the kind of person who can to be wrong about anything. Anyways,,, there is nothing wrong with trying your options and wanting relief, but it is SO important to research because if not, someone could really hurt you.
Myeah. My grandfather had similar story, but the real doctors were able to fix everything in the end. My friend who is a professional massager, is always telling that the massaging/chiropractice is temporary pain releaser but that it does not fix anything permamently. When he was in school, they were told to NEVER do any real chiropractice, because it usually just makes everything worse in the long run, even if it can ease the pain. Wishing all well for you and your family.
What’s the evidence the chiropractor caused the discs to worsen and not the wreck and then bad body mechanics throughout her life over the next 20 years? I do physical therapy so don’t try and BS me. I know the answer. There is none. You could be right, but I’m fairly sure you’re not.
@@Smawllz no this guy is lying now. He saying things he doesn’t know are true. Why do you guys believe every moron on the Internet who says anything? What on earth did he possibly say to persuade you that the chiropractors caused this issue? It doesn’t even matter if mom thinks that. What did he say to validate the mom’s viewpoint that the chiropractor caused increased herniated discs and it wasn’t the accident and exacerbation for nearly 20 years later. Bad body mechanics or normal wear and tear are normal? Id argue maybe it was the f&cking accident she was in that messed her back up since we already know that’s the case and that doesn’t just fix itself and it very often gets worse over the next 20 years.
I once treated a patient brought in by EMS. Only thing he could say was “chiropractor” between intense vomiting, non stop try heaving, extreme dizziness and the worst headache ever. Sent immediately for emergency neurosurgery for vertebral dissection.
I am an ex pediatric trauma nurse, had a 10y old girl who fell badly on her neck during sport. The parents went to a chiropractor instead of a doctor. No Xray. She had several fractured cervical disks and he/she cracked her neck multiple times. The surgeon said it was a miracle she could still walk or was even alive.
My high function autistic co-worker, by demand of his parents, went to a chiropractor for a year for back pain. When he finally went to a medical professional my co-worker learned he had cancer. My co-worker passed away two weeks later. Rest in peace John.
I once heard a chiropractor say that a newborn baby needed an adjustment the day after birth and every week after for life to "get them started off right." Thats when I realized they were full of shit.
@@DAEsaster sure, but at the same time, some babies get born by being pulled out by the head using forceps. you don't think that could cause some issues with the alignment of their bones in their neck/spine?
As a physical therapy student, we are taught a few chiropractic techniques to use in the clinic. High Velocity Low Amplitude maneuvers do NOT “Put joints back in place.” Rather, it moves the joint into its end range and it releases various endorphins into our body to relax muscles and TEMPORARILY relieve pain. With the muscles now relaxed, the patient can move with more range of motion with less pain so we can work on strengthening and stabilizing the surrounding muscles to improve function. Before we even consider doing any chiropractic maneuvers, we do a medical screen. ESPECIALLY if we want to manipulate the neck. If the patient had ANY sort of traumatic event within the past month (or honestly, I go as far back as 3 months) we dont do any chiropractic maneuver until imaging is done. And even if the patient did not have a traumatic event, we do a full cranial nerve exam and upper quarter clearing exam to ensure the patient is safe to undergo cervical manipulation.
Well said! Medical educator here and when doing patient education I get a fair few questions regarding chiropractic. Often, I'll suggest that if patients want to visit a chiro they should follow a few simple rules: 1) Consult with your primary care physician first and receive their go-ahead 2) Only go to a chiro that openly adheres to evidence-based guidelines (American College of Physicians, NICE, etc.) 3) If possible, go to a physical therapist that practices chiro. This is not uncommon and provides better support that the individual is adequately trained. 4) DO. NOT. Go to a chiro if any of the following are true: -The chiro recommends long-term or repeated visits, especially if they don't provide a clear treatment plan with a defined goal. Chiros hold a same level of expertise as a massage therapist. They are not medical professionals and cannot treat or diagnose; hold their statements to the same expectations you would after receiving a massage. -You have any neurological deficits (e.g., loss of sensation or muscle weakness). -You have back pain caused by infection, fracture, or cancer. -You have been diagnosed with a spinal condition that contraindicates manipulation (e.g., severe disc herniation or osteoporosis). -You are experiencing symptoms that suggest a medical emergency (such as loss of bowel/bladder control).
I have had good experiences with chiropractic adjustments and deep muscle massages, but I would rather go to a PT or MD for adjustment over a chiropractor. Chiropracty is popular overseas and is done in tangent with Western medicine, but I don't really trust going to a chiropractor here.
My mom got a stroke because a chiropractor performed a neck move that’s illegal in multiple states. Luckily, she made a full recovery but that shit was scary
I went to a chiropractor a couple times. Cracked a few bones and just told me to eat healthy, take supplements and excersise. But wanted me to come back twice a week for 8 weeks for "readjustments" and "health check ups" for $60/session. So essentially the health benefits that you would see are actually coming from the healthy lifestyle choices and overpriced multi-vitamins they sell at the counter, and the "adjustments" are there to make their job not look like a glorified health coach. Maybe I'm wrong, but outside looking in this is what it looks like to me.
Years back the job I was at had a health fair and I did stop by the chiropractor there to drag out not going back to work. His free evaluation of my spine was I had to be in severe agony and it was a marvel that I was able to walk. He strongly suggested I start making regular biweekly appointments with him. The fact that I was holding a large bag of free swag in my arms didn't factor in with my posture.
Same thing happened to me. They cracked my shit, put those silly suction cup things and gave me massage on a table. They then said "yeah idk man just stop lifting heavy shit or stretch befote you do it. Anyways come back every week and that will be $80"
Practicing Physical Therapist here. With the amount of times I’ve had to counteract the damage that chiropractor has done it’s honestly a wonder how they are still considered “medical care”.
RN here. Love PTs. Hate chiropractors. Seen 2 cervical artery dissections. One died. It's also just offensive. Don't pretend to know things you don't. That's so antithetical to modern healthcare.
Because it's easier on insurance to not have science actually applied to their patients what with the high costs that _insurance companies_ made happen. And it's easier when a patient dies.
physical therapy vs chiropractice is like astronomy vs astrology one is based in *SCIENCE* and *PROOF* and *RECREATIONAL EVIDENCE* and the other is "trust me bro"
I used to go to a chiropractor 2-3x a week for almost a year due to having constant neck and back pain. One day, I went in and they used the Y-strap technique on me. HURT LIKE HELL! Nothing cracked and I layed there unable to move as single tear fell from each eye. Wife was standing next to me super worried. I told them I couldn't move....so they did another pull on the Y-strap to try and "fix" it. I eventually was able to move again and went home feeling a bit better. Later that night, I was taking a shower, and out of nowhere my neck siezed up and I couldn't move for about 2 hours. Needless to say, I no longer see a chiropractor. Went to a PT shortly after and they thouroughly explained the numerous lies that the chiropractor was feeding not only my wife and I, but the hundreds of others that were being seen there. They even had a jug sitting in the main waiting area that was meant for people to "dispose" of their prescription medications that were no longer needed due to the "healing nature" of the chiropractic care.....insane.
My dad's friend was temporarily paralyzed after seeing a chiropractor in the early 2000s. He injured his back at work and for some reason his work's insurance recommended him seeing a chiropractor that they covered the cost for. Turns out the injury he sustained was a slipped disc and the chiropractor ended up pushing it further out of alignment and ended up putting pressure on his spinal cord as a result, paralyzing him temporarily from the lower back down and making the pain even worse in the area above the disc. He ended up needing surgery. When I was 21 I was assaulted at work causing three of my discs in my lower back to herniate. They herniated in towards my spinal cord rather than out due to the blows my back received during the assault. Extremely painful as you can imagine. It wasn't enough on it's own to cause paralysis or anything, but if something causes inflammation it puts pressure on my spinal cord and the surrounding nerves, causing much worse pain than I am normally in. Sometimes bad enough that I can't walk at all and have literally had to be carried to the bathroom and bed ridden. Been told that they don't want to try surgery unless it gets worse as my doctors say the risk of complications or potentially making it worse outweighs potential benefits. I also can no longer get pain relief due to the opiate crisis in the country, basically being told that they don't want young people "dependant" on them, an issue a lot of chronic pain patients are facing right now. I had been on them for a few years at this point and was basically told I would just have to get used to it, even though I was only prescribed enough to take the edge off on my bad days... So was made to go cold turkey, that sucked hard for adapting to the pain. I went to hydrotherapy, physical therapy and a pain management clinic. You would not believe how many people tell me I should see a chiropractor even though I see literal professionals and think a chiropractor will do a better job than them... I tell them about my dad's friend and how much worse a chiropractor made his back issue, no way in hell I am risking my back after knowing how badly they stuffed his back. People still insist they know better and his case was a once off, even though there is so much evidence proving otherwise.
That sucks man I’m so sorry to hear. I’m in NJ and get meds, but I go through the VA. They have different rules. So I am lucky in that regard. I can at least get some relief. But I’ve heard states like Florida cut them off completely after the pill mills got way out of hand. It’s insane that they punish everyone because of a few bad doctors and some addicts looking for a high. So now everyone suffers. Though I’m sure the politicians still get their meds no problem 🙄
my mother is a PT. she mostly works with elderly people nowadays, and there have been far too many that went to chiropractors, said they still hurt, then after a month with my mother, they said they felt better. wow, who would’ve guessed that a temporary solution (the relief from cracking) is only temporary
Before my back surgery, my orthopedic surgeon told me to avoid chiropractors entirely. 10 times out of 10, I was advised to get x-rays/MRIs done and visit a licensed physical therapist specializing in whatever my issue was.
How do physical therapy so I appreciate it and I’m not being defensive but chiropractors are still good but they’re not good for issue. If you think something hurts, let me just go to a chiropractor, that’s stupid. That’s not him saying chiropractors are dangerous he saying that’s not the type of medicine you need for what you have… get it? Antibiotics aren’t bad but if you thought antibiotics would help you because you were insane and he told you not to go get antibiotics for this, that wouldn’t be an argument against antibiotics altogether.
I had DEBILITATING back pain for about 5 years. I could barely walk, barely sleep, it was awful. I spent so much money on MRIs, PT, orthopedist visits, dry needling, etc. I was 1 step from having surgery (which I wanted to avoid because once you have 1, you'll need another) and I went to a chiropractor and within 3 weeks I was back to running. Apparently my sacrum was frozen to my illium but in 5 years and $20k, nobody could figure it out
@@PersononYT56 Let me get this traight. A chiro( person with no qualifications to perscribe nor read radiological findings ,let alone treat 2 conjoined bones in a non invassive manner) was able to return you to full asymptomatic state in 3 weeks(impossible considering your condition lasting for 5 years andrehab sessions are 2/3 alternating days a week, so according to you, the chiro "fixed" 5 years of impairment in 4/5 sessions)but several medical professionals who are actually licensed to treat your actual condition couldn't figure it out? Thats absolutely a bluff, and nobody's buying it.
@@jessejive1174I’m going to guess that the average skill floor for chiropractors is lower than the average skill floor for licensed physical therapists though. As you say, there probably are chiros that are smart about what they use on who to prevent injury, but I sure don’t want to be the person to find the bad one and risk injury. It just seems like an unnecessary risk
Can’t be a coincidence that this was uploaded the exact same day I tried to convince my grandma to go to a PT instead of a chiropractor for her persistent neck pain. She refuses to because for some fucking reason their insurance covers chiropractic appointments no questions asked, but she’d have to get a referral from a doctor for PT and then insurance only covers whatever length of time the doctor refers you for. How the fuck are chiropractors just covered automatically like that?? Is there some massive conspiracy between chiropractors and all major insurance companies?
Not a professional, but theres definitely a mass conspiracy between the two. Seeing that insurance companies cut any and all corners to make more money for themselves, and know that chiropractors also take advantage of their clients, guess who is now worth investing in...
I cheered out loud when I saw the notification. I was stuck with an abusive chiropractic culty voice teacher who pressured me for three years to go to one. The stalling I had to do was so exhausting, she just wouldn't understand that I'm disabled in a way that could endanger my life IF i went to a chiropractor. They're so dangerous, even for someone fully able bodied. One of the first things they ask you if you go to the ER for stroke symptoms is "Have you been to a chiropractor recently".
I injured my back at work slipping two discs. They offered me chiropractic visits for workmans comp and i opted for physical therapy. Chiropractors are quacksssss
I'm a physical therapist I can't tell you how ma y times I have a patient come in with chronic idiopathic scoliosis and they say they've been seeing a chiropractor "How long have you been going to the chiro?" "About 8 years" "And has it been helping?" "Oh yes, it's the only thing that's been making me feel better" "So would you say you're symptoms overall have been improving?" "Oh no I feel like I'm getting worse!" "Just out of curiosity, how kuch is the chiro charging you for their services?" "A couple hundred a week for 3 sessions that are 10 minutes each" What!!!
I had the opposite. I had less sessions over time, went from 2-3 a week to 1 every 3-4 weeks. Because initially I couldn’t get through a few days without being in agony or being able to walk properly. Being with my chiropractor helped my sciatica and chronic back pain and over time allowed me to live relatively pain free (as long as i did the right things at home, right chairs to sit on, not overdoing walks etc). i think chiros are just different in Australia 🤷♀️
Chiropractors fix any and all problems! I went to a chiropractor when I was 5 and he told me I was so short because my b52 and my f25 were fused. He put me on a rack and now I'm 7ft, never looked back. Nor up or down.
Yeah I got into a crash and so many people told me to go to the chiropractor to get my ankle that was slightly sore fixed, 30 seconds into it he twisted the wrong ankle and messed it up for 2 weeks, still hurts sometimes to be honest.
went to a chiropractor for an injury i had from weight lifting, was scared to move and worsen it. went to my chiro that I've been going to for years, i walked out completely fine and was lifting again the next day.
Soft tissue and physical therapy work are pretty proven. I never let my Chiropractors adjust me. Rather its more about their knowledge of the spine and its attachments so they tend to provide the best service for soft tissue and physical therapy relating to those areas. A good Chiro wont be an adjustment bot and it will only be a small supporting tool in their practice. I was a professional athelete. Had many chrios, doctors, physical therapists, masseuses ect. It’s all about finding a good one. There a lot of bad doctors and all of the above out there.
Had a boss that was in a HORRIBLE accident, flipped her car a bunch. She survived but was recommended to do physical therapy and see a doctor regularly to get checked out a lot to make sure everything was okay. Somewhere someone recommended her to see a chiropractor. She would explain how the persistent pain she had that wouldn't ever go away, did go away after that first visit. But then it's come back and she'd HAVE to keep going because it was the only way for it to go away. Everytime she'd be working and complaining about how the pain is coming back and she has to see her guy, I was like it sounds like you're just addicted to getting cracked 😵💫😵💫 like she'll just have to do this and pay all this money to this "highly sought after expert" the rest of her life?? I tried to tell her maybe you should actually see a doctor about the pain and she would be ADAMANT that all she had to do was see her guy. Smfh.
I mean a doctor’s just gonna put her on opiates for the rest of her life. Serious injuries result in pain. You either learn to live with it, exercise regularly and make your body stronger, become an addict that’s dependent on the medical system, or find temporary relief through chiropractic, needle treatment, or whatever else people are doing. Tbh the most mature way to handle it is living with it and exercising to make yourself stronger. So much muscle and bone pain can be eliminated by fixing your diet and exercising regularly.
Sounds like she's either lazy and not working out according to what she's recommended, or the chiro is not telling her that she should. Either way, she needs to do her part of the healing, he can't fix her, he can only adjust and relieve but if she doesn't help her body strengthen that'll be a neverending cycle.
Say what you will about pain killers, but maybe shes just broken broken, and needs to see a doc for some? :/ Dont get me wrong, being addicted to opiates CAN suck, as someone that takes suboxn, but there IS a use case for them, especially when your in pain/ suffering.
@@smokagamingphysical pain is physical pain. It’s part of life. Opiate addiction is a literal epidemic. I’d rather have a sore back than a fentanyl problem. Most people are too weak and too eager to attempt to solve the issue with drug abuse.
My dad is nearly the exact same story, he was in an awful wreck in his truck, recovered from it and started seeing a chiropractor on a weekly basis for like 15 years until his insurance stopped covering it, so he eventually fell back into constant excruciating pain and had to have like 3 different back surgeries once he went and got an actual professionals opinion
I have got to say that this is one of the funniest most well-edited videos I have seen in so long. Excellent job on this one you definitely earn my subscription
My friend got into a car accident once, and he was trying to save money so he went to a chiropractor instead of his primary physician. The case of the accident eventually went to court and he submitted his chiropractor’s report saying he had whiplash and neck/back pain and the judge threw it out bc it was a chiropractor and not a medical doc
Really? I went to the Drs and then the chiropractor every week after a hit and run where the plate fell off so I used the insurance company. And all he did was the vibrating thing. I told him what happened and he told me how to get the most out of it. I thought that was what chiropractors were for it baffles me that people actually go to them for help.
in Louisiana they tried to send me to a chiropractor to qualify for disability payments... for endometriosis, a congenital, chronic tissue disorder that has no cure and is invisible on blood tests and imaging tests. it can only be diagnosed by a surgeon during surgery. 😂
Never let someone adjust your neck/back besides a surgeon. My mom went to a chiropractor with a slipped disk and got adjusted and was screaming in so much pain we had to take her to the hospital after anyway.
@@tgatt5759 They don't fix issues. It's better to just see a surgeon or physical therapist. They work with you to fix the issue unlike Chiropractors. It's just quackery.
@@tgatt5759 Personally I think that should be something they check for if they want to pretend to be legitimate. Pretty idiotic and irresponsible, but there's no convincing you I'm sure.
My partner’s older sister has been in critical condition for the last five months after having multiple strokes from what the doctors believe was from a chiropractor appointment. They said they have never seen (body part in her neck I forget what) as torn to shreds as hers were. She can’t speak, eat on her own, dress herself, and everything else. I’m not trying to cause mass panic about this, bc I think this is a rare thing. But it truly did happen to her and her life is forever changed. Admittedly, I used to love going to the chiropractor (knowing it was mainly BS but still bc it felt good for a little while). My partner used to always say he felt worse afterwards anyways, and now we will definitely never go back. My partner loves your channel, but I’m very scared for when he sees this video in his notifications. Edit: I made this comment within the first min of the video and didn’t even know he would mention that it can cause a stroke. It’s rare, but it’s true.
There are enough relatively safe positions you can do at home. Putting a lot of force in just cant be right, overbending cant be right. If sonething eases the pain for a period of time its when low or nearly no force is required to pop. And it shouldnt be done frequently and if something already hurts pretty bad you should go to a physical therapist or doctor.
It's the vertebral artery, and it's not all that rare. I know of three people who have stroked out from cervical adjustments. One is paralyzed and just won seven figures in a settlement. We've got a family friend who's been a chiropractor for fifty years. He doesn't do cervical adjustments and thinks chiros who do are assholes.
@@Combo7-y2h there have to be many cases that have been settled privatly or that were not connected to chiropactry failures. Its so sad to hear. 7 figures is nice but if its worth not moving idk. Best wishes to your family bro. Try to make the best of it i guess. There has to be more acknowledgement of these problems, videos like this should make a good beginning.
If you want the “pop” sensation and want an “adjustment,” just go to a DO. An osteopathic medical doctor is trained in OMT, which chiropractic derives from. Except, OMT has limits and no good DO would ever go past that limit when they’re doing OMT on you. Also, as medical doctors, a DO can actually refer you to a PM&R doctor or a PT for further “adjustments” and “pops.” A DO can prescribe muscle relaxers and stronger NSAID’s to hold you over until you see the specialists for permanent treatment. lol just go to an osteopathic trained medical doctor
I used to go to a chiropractor in high school for pain from playing football. Then the place got shut down due to the owner having CP on his computer in the workplace... That kind of ruined going to the chiropractor for me.
I was caregiver to a disabled girl. Her mom took her to the chiropractor and she became partially paralyzed and unable to walk for 2 weeks. Got investigated by CPS. Taking kids to these ppl is a bad idea, especially those who cant effectively follow instructions etc
I have a good friend that's a chiro and I can't help but quote one of several chiropractor burns from Family Guy everytime I see him lol "it's a procedure where a guy that couldn't get into medical school tries to rip your head off"
@@bigpradaboy3629There's nothing saying bakers aren't licensed medical professionals- "alternative medicine" means "we either can't prove it works or we can prove it doesn't." How would you even be a "professional" when what you're doing is indistinguishable from doing nothing?
your bones are 'out of alignment' because the muscles, tendons, and ligaments are too weak to do their job, which is to quite literally keep your bones in alignment.
I’m an MRI technologist and the worst spines I’ve seen are from patients that frequently go to chiropractors. Please avoid them they make every issue you have worse, they profit off of “it feels good in the moment” but in reality you are doing irreversible damage to your spine
I don’t really believe in chiropractors but my family goes to them. My sister and mom have scoliosis. My sister has an extra vertebrae and my mom has one leg slightly shorter than the other. They have both been that way from birth. So.. yea obviously they might seek out extra care because they already have back issues.
@@kevinayala2028 Makes more sense, it's like a survivor bias type of thing. You usually go to a chiropractor when you already have issues, not to get a massage because you felt like It. On the other hand you could study people that regularly go to a chiropractor vs people seeking a more scientifically supported specialist and compare how many spines get in better shape after some time. Since all the patients supposedly come to you because they already have back issues, we just have to measure the efficacy on what it's supposed to treat.
Palmer didn’t find golden tablets but he did claim that he got the basic ideas for chiropractic medicine during seances with a dead doctor from Davenport, Iowa named Jim Atkinson. I shit you not!
"ts founder, Daniel David Palmer (1845-1913), was a practicing mesmerist and spiritualist who attributed his “discovery” of chiropractic in 1895 to “communications” from the disembodied spirit of a deceased physician." It's TOTALLY INSANE
@@FukaiKokoroI'll be honest. I don't believe in ghosts like deceased people. I do believe in spirits tho. Can you imagine it was like a demon or something? 😂
My mother once went to a chiropracty session. The chiropractor was the husband of her best friend and she trusted him. After the session my mother went home and took a nap. She later woke up to a severe case of pain, dizziness, and partial blindness. Turns out he somehow popped my mom’s artery in her neck and she could have died if she slept for much longer. Her friend and her husband never apologized and are out of our lives. Edit: just finished the video. I had NO IDEA that it was a common thing that killed a celebrity.
@@jhjffjfjkddf No, she meant artery. Meat talks about a few people who had the same thing happen to them in the video. By popped, she probably just meant the procedure ruptured/tore the artery.
I have had a full spinal fusion, and people still tell me to see a chiropractor... think about that for a second. My spine is literally fused to a metal rod and can't bend, and people tell me to see a chiropractor.
Idk I feel like spinal manipulation could be key to preventing scoliosis in cartilaginous spine before it becomes full-on bone, whenever I see anti-chiro it reminds me of antivaxxers or anti-trans freaking out about medical issues affecting
@@ConfusedBirthdayCake-so5wdDude that’s why you to a physical therapist who actually does that, ir just a masseuse. Not someone rolling the dice to see if they break your spine!
@@ConfusedBirthdayCake-so5wd Can we review the initial part where chiropractors are not medical doctors? Or the part where the foundations of chiropractic is based on magic ie. healing magnets? Do we wanna take a look at that before we start saying "it might work but literally no one can explain and demonstrate how"?
Have you ever seen a real baby chiropractic adjustment? It's ridiculously gentle. The one in this video is nonsense My sons back cracks more when I take him out of his high chair. You are conflating BS internet chiropractors with your typical, normal chiropractors.
@@ScareyBusey yeah it’s super gentle. We took our daughter because she had a stiff neck and was having trouble feeding while on her right side. The chiropractor did her thing and my daughter was able to start eating better on her side. Your mileage may vary but we only stopped going because it gets expensive and it’s not a necessity.
i had a guitar teacher once and he had a lot of neck pain and one day he went to a Chiropractor and then came back with lot more neck pain than before so he went to a real doctor and got some x ray images of his neck and the results showed that his spine (neck) was almost snapped his neck looked like a SCP-173 survival
Physical therapist here: 1.) thanks meat for the amusing and educational videos on all kinds of matters. Chiropractice is pseudoscience and absolute money printing. A joint should never be moved forcefully with high amplitude, even if you dislocate your shoulder ("luxate" in medical term) there are ways to relocate it using only the gentlest of force and particular movements, risking pinching of nerves or blood vessels if you yank on it otherwise. Now imagine the Neck, not only is the cervical spine more delicate than the rest of the spine (thoracic, lumbosacral), it is the bridge between your brain and the rest of your body. You dont need to be smart to understand yanking and flicking such a delicate structure is a bad idea. It is true built up tension in the muscles of your neck can cause all sorts of issues, but even with massage you need to understand what the goal should be. A muscle never just tenses up because it does not have anything better to do, most of the time a muscle tries to compensate for weaknesses, misalignments or directional force of the Bones, joints and ligaments (which can be impaired), if you loosen the muscle up you also loosen the joint the muscles tries to protect, this can be helpful and wanted if managed in therapy, otherwise it is most of the time just a brief rebrief of stiffness, pain and soreness felt, but not really adressing the underlying problem (like postural problems, underlying systemic health issues). If the goal should be to reduce pain long term on the daily, there is no way around regular specifically tailored exercises and lifestyle changes (like workplace ergonomics, work breaks, nutrition). The simplest rule of the human body holds true - Use it or lose it, it being cognition, muscle, Range of Motion Have a nice day and please dont trust people wildly yanking on body parts, much less so if they are doing it to children, risking permanent damage for life
I am currently in PTA training, and as we are learning about spinal chord injuries and how delicate the spine is in general I can't help but cringe watching these videos. 😬 I keep thinking back to all the times my parents took me to get adjusted as a kid...
I'm a doctor and just found out last year trough a physical therapist friend how much bs chiropractice is, I had always thought there was some truth to it but he made me see the reality when you compare it to PT, needless to say, I appreciate PT so much and always recommend patients who need it to seek it, thankfully where I live it's not that expensive and unattainable.
Fuck yeah, was hoping someone would be explaining subluxation and why, as a general rule, the further from "dislocation" that your spine is, the better. I always go to physios when I injure myself and have cancelled when the clinic tried palming me off to an osteopath.
THIS, I'm in PT right now for my neck, specifically the cranium area, I have arthritis and was ill for 2 years, so just overall neck and shoulder weakness. Exercises, stretches and light massage gives me so much relief,, I've never been to a chiropractor and I never would.. Body pain is not a one day fix
My chiropractor introducing the Y-strap is actually why I stopped seeing chiropractors all together. I thought it was a straight up noose and it made me reevaluate wtf I was paying for
Anyone who takes their baby to a chiropractor should have their children taken, and those chiropractors should be arrested. They know they don't know what the hell they're doing, and they still go for it because of money. And the parents are idiots.
I went to a chiropractor when I was in high school because my mom was as very into alternative healing at the time. So I went to this chiropractor and he did the usual chiropractor procedures. I kid you not, at one point he had me lay down on the bed and he pulled out a wooden case full of crystals. He told me to lift my shirt and placed a little crystal on my stomach, stared at it for a second, then said “hmm it looks like you have a lot of metals in your body. Have you been using a lot of metal recently or maybe paints?” Coincidentally I did a few paintings with acrylic that summer so of course I bought into it at the time. He was able to sell us on these two supplements that were a charcoal powder that you’d put in water, and a vitamin B supplement. ~$100 dollars for both, plus the $150 session. Took me a few months to realize how stupid all this was. Never going back to a chiropractor again.
Charcoal has been known to help filter your body's toxins, but it's most effective to absorb stuff out of your stomach. So if you're taking any daily medications, avoid charcoal like you'd avoid grapefruit. However....what the fuck does that have to do with chiropractor stuff???
the main reason i dont go to doctors is because that everyone i know that go to them to get medication for their chronic symptoms, they still taking the medication. lol
@@Hflame20it’s called chronic for a reason…. If a 300lb guy lost 100lbs he wouldn’t need his BP meds anymore, but no one wants that. The difference is when you go to an MD/DO and get a medication, they actually do tests to make sure it works
@@masterch1ef297 its called chronic for a reason, if the person going to chiropractor does regime to improve their muscle and postor they wouldnt need to go back to them. just like quack doctors that prescribe all the meds there are quack chiros that dont heal
Yeah, I went to a Chiro for a while when I was in high school due to a minor back injury and they told me I needed to be seen 2x a week for like 1-1.5 years. After the 1 year, I was basically told "okay, you're all set to just come in once a week for the rest of your life!"
@@baybqueI felt that, my chiropractor had many sessions at the beginning and I thought it was a scam but after going through it, my body overall felt great and I rarely get headaches anymore, I go once a month now
FYI the pop noises on the table in the video are from a "drop table" that drops when the chiropractor makes it, and is very loud. It seems mostly to trick the person on the table, and anyone watching the video.
Used to have a retail job where I was on my feet all day, never got to sit and ran a lot between the warehouse and the front area. I started getting numb and tingly in my hips, and it was so bad that I had to limp around my own house if I sat and rested longer than a few minutes. Without proper insurance I went to The Joint and I limped in, filled out paperwork, paid like 45$ and ended up walking out like normal again. I did a few adjustments after that at the "doc" told me "you should probably just get a job where you can actually sit down and rest" I left with high blood pressure from relief/procedure but at least I wasn't limping. I stopped going because the main issue was fixed and I got a better job/rest. I've learned how to pop that old problem area myself and I very rarely have to do it anymore. I consider myself lucky, especially after reading the comments. I should have tried to find a PT or spoken with my physician, but I was broke and desperate. If anything like thay every happens again, that's what I'll do!! Also, just as a note bc I'm only like halfway through the video...but chiro videos ESPECIALLY on TH-cam are basically f*tish content. Borderline Spiderman and Elsa levels. Once you go down that rabbit hole, you'll regret it.
Modern practices see many people have poor posture, particularly in the neck which tends to straighten. You can fix that yourself buy gently stretching it out with a rolled up towel lying in bed. I made the mistake of going to a chiropractor to help me release the tension in my neck. At the time I couldn't turn past 90 degrees either side whish was a direct consequence of the straightened neck problem that many people have. He violently pushed against a vertebrae between my shoulders which he thought was responsible for my condition. The result was agony and a lifetime of pain and tightness from the area he manipulated. Don't trust them! There's no such thing as your back being out in a way that cracking and manipulation make any difference other than creating an illusion that they're helping. I fixed the neck problem myself by learning what ideal posture looks like and gently working on it myself. The damage the chiropractor did however is still part of my life 40 years later...
i work in the pharmaceutical world. if a drug has a 1 dose in 20,000 chance of killing someone it won't (well, it's not supposed to) be approved by the FDA. the absolute lowest number you need to be above is 1 in 100,000 (for extremely deadly and rare diseases), but realistically its closer to 1 in 10,000,000 (for most 'common' diseases). it's somewhat of a grey area depending on severity of disease being treated, but point is 1 in 20,000 is an astronomically high probability of serious complication (i.e. death), at least in my world. everything is weighed in terms of risk vs benefit and i dont see the 'potential and unverified' benefits outweighing the enormous and well-documented risks associated.
Except with MRNA Jabs which got approved with absolutely zero human safety trials, and continue to be used after reporting shows an adverse affect rate of 1/800.
@@harrydavey9884My dude... When I got covid it fucked up my lungs so badly that I could barely breathe for two weeks. My body felt like it was being crushed. I'm still suffering lingering effects like long and short term memory loss, impaired cognitive function, chronic fatigue, joint pain... This was before the vax. After the vax I never got any other strain of covid, nor did I suffer any negative effects from the vax itself. Stop being a misinformed idiot
@@warbossgegguz679was not. I got covid, I'm unvaccinated. I lived. And I don't have to worry about myocarditis from the spike proteins in the jab. Y'all are only that dramatic to avoid confronting the possibility that you got scammed on a national scale.
Correction on the first minute of the video, chiropractors actually don’t even have a DOCTORATE, that implies a PhD and years of study past a masters, to be a chiropractor you ONLY need a masters, the full title is ‘doctor of chiropractics’ however they do NOT have PhDs or are considered MDs in any way, it’s just a title they invented for themselves to make it seem like they have more than a masters but chiropractors are NOT doctors FYI
If it is causing you pain try a physical therapist! Both my parents are PTs, it's like if a chiropractor *didn't* give you more issues than you walked in with. Physical therapy is typically prescribed after an injury but people do it for chronic issues all the time.
@@dubuyajay9964 physical therapy does that too and I dare say better (I do manually therapy and massage all the time with my folks) ♥️ plus Physical Therapy can get you to a point where you don't even need to get massages or "adjustments"
I have a condition where my joints are useless and have SO MUCH RESPECT for physical therapists (and occupational therapists too)! I have so much back pain and people will always recommend Chiropractors and I look at them as if they've just murdered my first born before explaining how terrible a suggestion that is for someone with actual medical problems 😂
My grandpa was half paralyzed after a stroke. The pain was so bad he'd go to a chiropractor 2 times a week. He had a massive stroke on his last chiropractor visit and died the same day.
Sounds like its something that chiropractic couldn't fix, or for that matter, would most medicine wouldn't really help. Generally why a lot of people even go to chiropractors. But now it falls into the would've could've should've category. Sorry about your grandpa.
@@fangzea natural selecion. first error whas seing a chiropratic. second whas wasting time on them and not whit real doctors. you heard the first part of the video. magnets in your hand. you need to be dump to belive in this everest size lie
I used to go to a guy who was a chiropractor, but also a physical therapist and licensed doctor. He honestly helped me a lot, although the people like him are few and far between, and I would probably never trust about 90% of chiropractors
similar experience here! My chiropractor had a physical therapy team that worked with him. He also required patients to work with other medical professionals because he made it very clear that his practice was supplementary pain management, and may not be enough for a full recovery. There are very very few chiropractors that are worth their money.
@@SteezySteez2011 It's not a fake degree, it's simply not a medical degree. I'm not defending the practice itself but trying to clarify what a doctorate is. It is the highest grade of education you can get which requires you to have a masters and a bachelors beforehand. You CAN be a doctor in pretty much any field, including things like linguistics or history or geography and none of those make you a medical professional but they're also not fake. You DO get to use DR in front of your name or on your plates as a title even if your field has nothing to do with medicine. Also as a side note pretty sure most ppl who practice PT and chiro are not even doctors, different countries might have different requirements but those professions need bachelors in order to get started and not higher. Wouldn't be surprised if in most cases people do not get a masters and a doctorate because it'd simply add on a lot of schooling for not much benefit besides the pretty diploma.
@@SteezySteez2011 I keep seeing this from both people claiming to be PTs and critics of this... you know PTs aren't doctors either, right? Neither MD or DO, the latter of which is probably what you would IDEALLY want for joint and bone treatments since they're basically what chiropractors pretend to be.
@@KillahEU The real REAL doctors if we're being super-specific are Ph.Ds since that's the origin of the term and it requires higher education than any other form of doctorate. Just don't tell MDs that or they'll whine and cry.
A chiropractor is one of the primary reasons I never got to meet my biological grandmother. My grandmother went to a chiropractor in the 90s. This chiropractor sold herbal supplements, and convinced my grandmother she could take the supplements instead of her blood pressure medication. She died from a stroke while my mother was pregnant with me. Not all chiropractors are this scummy, of course, but when I went to one in high school and they tried to sell me supplements, my mother gave them quite a speech.
@@SixOhFive We were desperate. I was a Sophomore in high school and I was in a lot of pain. A family friend recommended my chiropractor, so we hoped it would help. It didn't!
@@jamesmccomb9525 Yeah... I think I've spoken to them about five times since then, which was like fifteen years ago. Hopefully they quit seeing that con artist chiropractor too.
I automatically thought of Arleen Scholten. She broke the neck of John Lawler. He told her “you’re hurting me. I can’t feel my arms.” And once he became unresponsive, she sat him up to give “mouth to mouth”, failed to inform emergency personnel about what happened (she out right lied to them) and left. If she hadn’t moved him around and properly described what happened, he would have survived. These people are not medical professionals, are ill-equipped to handle emergency situations and can often be the cause of said emergencies.
@@FrostekFerenczy Are you kidding me? I just got her social/"professional" profile page from various social media images when googling her, just the seventh result was a news story covering the death of Jon Lawler. I can't tell if that's even more worrying than her not having received any charges.
For those wondering, "Free-carry-working-chiropractor-broke-patients-neck" is an article from the Daily Mail about it that had a similar wording as OP's comment. (That said, Daily Mail isn't exactly trustworthy, so from glancing over this article I can't tell if the actual evidence of Lawler making these statements is too sound.)
I have a birth injury that affects the nerve pathways through the C3 and C4 vertibrae. It left me with limited motion in my right arm, sensitivity in my ear, and on-and-off nerve pain in my shoulder and neck. I've been working with a physical therapist that I really love for a while and she has helped make things SO much more bearable. Chiropractors are such a scam. Find a good physical therapist and stick with them. It's given me ACTUAL results that haven't destroyed my spine.
I’ve had a chiropractor fix my back up with no problems when it was in pain one time. They were very professional though and only did two adjustments in the same spot and it was all I needed. They didn’t tell me I should go back in and I didn’t need to. That being said I am terrified of chiropractics
I'm a physical therapist, thanks for this video Hunter, a lot of patients i treat are recommended by friends to look for alternative methods that can be dangerous for their health. If you have/ know someone who have aches: chiropraxy IS NOT physical therapy!!!! Seek a doctor and a therapist to diagnose and properly help you! Don't look for "easy methods" to ease the pain, as they can be really dangerous for your health if not administrated carefully!
Yeah but it’s also a case by case thing. My back sometimes feels like my knuckles when I need to crack them. But I can’t really do that to my spine. A chiropractor is helpful in that sense but I understand it’s not therapy. Plus whenever I bring my back issues up at the doctor they say nothing is wrong even after X-rays which means I have no method of relief so that chiro doesn’t seem all that bad to me
i had a rolfer (rolfing is a deep tissue massage that is very intense) help me greatly with my lower back and there were zero jerky movements. There is nothing that jerking someones head around will help with that can't be done in a way thats dramatically less unsafe. There are news stories of people ending up disabled because of work like that.
As a previous massage therapist I’m biased but massage techniques, especially deep tissue targeting stuff like Rolfing and sports stretching, have so many proven benefits because muscles can actually be worked and manipulated. I will get a million massages before I step foot in a chiropractors office. Also, I’ve got osteoporosis like an old woman so a chiro would snap me in half.
my dad had been going to a chiropractor for years for back pain, turns out there was a tumor in his spine and he had severe scoliosis or spine curvature. which they never even mentioned to him. “don’t go see a real doctor we care about your business not your health”.
My father in law is a chiropractor. My wife loves going but also suffers from chronic back pain. I’ve tried telling her to maybe take a break and lift weights with me, but she insists on “fixing her pain” before working out
I recently got diagnosed with sciatica and like 4 different people have recommended chiropractors instead of my REFERRAL to an ACTUAL doctor. Its like a cult the people swear their life by it and watching this video only made my stance stronger against not going, thanks papa m.
It’s because of the temp pain relief. Like Hunter said, the release of Endorphins can make the pain go away for a bit. Add in a little bit of placebo effect and then you have people believing this is an actual option for back pain. Meanwhile they’ll be going to a chiropractor for the rest of their life while a PT would help them never have to come back.
Had sciatica for 8+ years post car accident. For ME, solving my own left oblique activation/strength issues basically completely eliminated my left side sciatica. Had to rebalance many other systems (glutes/quads/etc) but this was a big piece of it Maybe my message can help you on your own journey! Best of luck. I researched a great deal (years) about muscle imbalances and how they can impact pain/tension etc. Was extremely educational and helpful.
The reality is that chiropractors are about as reliable as MDs. There are crackpots, goofballs, and pompous aholes just there for the $ and then there's the rare few who are actually intelligent, well educated, and that care about their patients. I used a chiropractor for a floating/dislocated rib after a sports injury. MD wanted to cut me open and install a metal mesh and all kinds of crap. Chiropractor said "he's crazy and that's too expensive and invasive for a very simple fix". He just eased it back into place and told me it would pop out again and need reset repeatedly until it healed, showed my wife what to do, and today I'm back in good shape with no scars or mesh in my back. That said, I 100% believe the horror stories. Just like I believe the current horror story of my dad who I had to take to the ER a couple weeks ago because his "heart specialist" with a PHD put him on a beta blocker after dad told him he had bad reactions to them and his heart would slow and nearly stop. The doctor literally said "you need to let me be the professional here, I'm trying to help you". Dad's heart rate dropped to 34bpm -and maybe lower- two nights later, he passed out in the recliner and Mom couldn't wake him. Point is that a large portion of what you find in so called professionals is just a bunch of igmos who paid for education.
I still remember the day when my chiropractor broke my brothers spine. He looked at me and literally said without remorse, “he looks like he can control fire.”
The quote from the doctor calling Palmer a fraud is applicable, to this day, for a plethora of alternative "medicine" practices that many people still fall prey to. Insanity.
I went to a chiropracter once when I was in Turkey with my family (I was 15). I suffer from a number of chronic foot-issues and was supposed to be in surgery a month after the vacation. While we were there my father often went to get massages and one time he suddenly told me to come with him. I did and he brought me to the chiro's (I didn't know that he was a chiro) room but did NOT tell me why or who he is. Suddenly the guy walks up behind me (I was sitting) and TURNS MY HEAD, CRACKING MY NECK I immediately started crying from pain and they just laughed/belittled me and then this STRANGER told me to lie down. I was confused and scared so I did (I wore a bikini) and he just started to twist and spread my legs in painful and just WEIRD ways and I just began crying more. End of the story: I was limping and crying, walking directly into my mom's room and she yelled at my dad. He doesn't get why I don't trust him or chiro's. (Btw I'm 18 now and had the surgery, I'm still recovering but the pain's gone - we love modern (PROVEN) medicine ❤)
I can't imagine the levels of weirdness and "obliviousness" to just ask a 15 year old girl in a bikini who you've never met to lie down as she's crying from physical pain you caused her as you spread her legs, her deliberately not knowing who or what you even are. Especially with so many of chiropractors being nothing less than perverts, so many times no permission is given before they touch people's asses, assuming conplete control over a body as if that's not a very private area that you need to address before grabbing, and the videos they film usually love to exploit women's bodies for the camera.
As a general surgeon I will tell you chiropractors have become too comfortable with lying to people about "fixing" their aches. There was an investigation on how much chiropractors make vs how effective their methods are. Only 14% of people have admitted that they have been going to a chiropractor weekly and show signs that they feel improved. The other 86% were either unsure or that they feel like their problem didn't go away. Most of the people surveyed were only going in for adjustments due to occupational aches and pains. Out of the 1000 people surveyed, 600 people had back pain and 300 had Carple tunnel and 100 had trouble with arthritis causing difficulty to bend their joints. The report states that even though all the patients did not see the same chiropractor, they all report that the chiropractors all attempted to sell some sort of pill or ointment that would "ease their pain". So now for the results 45% of people that went to the chiropractor had spent over 10k in chiropractors. With only 14% of people stating they felt their problem was fixed it why waste your money? Also every single person were told to keep coming back in order to do adjustments to help. They are cons. I understand that surgery is expensive and people want to go to chiropractors because they are cheaper but they will not fix anything. They can massage a sore muscle but they will never be able to fix anything.
Take it, the truth shouldn't be a matter of shame but when people make it into one tell the truth anyway. The way pseudosciences persist is lack of pushback and scrutiny. People don't believe them bevause of the strength of arguments are actual empirical evidence, they believe so because they've accepted it automatically, hear everyone believing it and fall deeper. Be the dissenting voice.
Love you papa meat for posting this!!! I work as an Athletic Trainer (ATC) and I can’t tell you how many times I’ve ran into chiros who act like they’re higher than physicians or surgeons and end up doing more damage than good. Love you papa meat keep making great content ❤
0:21 I've been working out like a lunatic for almost a decade to try and get a back like this. hunter could get a god bod in 3 months with his genetics. kill me
Veteran Affairs recommended I go to a chiropractor for my neck since I had some severe pain and stiff neck issues. It took about 2 months to get appointment and when I did I met the chiropractor and the way he worded things was so weird and creepy. He kept referring everything he does as "treatment" like him putting on the rubber gloves was treatment and shit. Weirded me out, but then finally he did my neck and I didn't feel a change at all. My second session he did the "treatment" and it made one side of my neck good but the other side I was in extreme pain. When the 3rd session came I told him I think I am healed now and he said he'll do treatment on any part of my body if I wanted and recommended to schedule more sessions. I told him I was good and left. My neck was so destroyed after that session and if I hadn't looked up a documentary on the history of chiropractors I would have thought those techniques were good on me. Videos like this believe it or not could save someones life and I think its criminal thst doctors recommend a practice that isn't even medically verifiable for people with minor aches and pains.
Yeah, that's because they know it's 100% placebo. If you're dealing with a dumbass (lol look at the comments here, there are so many) then the treatment is all in the mind of the person, so them saying everything is part of the treatment is true. That's literally true. The when treatment is the same as talking. These are the same people who got 'drunk' off alcohol free beer as a teen.
Mine is a good chiro story, I had one that I went to only once. He asked me what was wrong, felt around my spine, and popped my back in a couple places. He then handed me EXERCISES to do to maintain my posture since muscles were moved from popping bones back into place. I'm very satisfied, as he not only helped me with a short term fix, but gave me the long term solution so I wouldn't need a second appointment.
I’m a chiro, bones don’t go “out of place”, we aren’t as specific as we think we are, our style of adjusting does not matter. All we know that there is a short term neurophysiological relief in pain following an adjustment and that’s it. There’s a lot of non backed treatment thrown around. Posture has a poor correlation to pain, manual therapies are mostly placebo (some people respond really well). There’s no significant evidence to support adjusting infants and kids. Manipulation does not restore a curvature. If someone tries to sell you a package run. If they don’t do any rehab or at least send you somewhere run. There are lots of bad apples in all professions. Go to a chiro that doesn’t practice like a traditional chiro. A lot of new age chiros are becoming more like physios.
What? Of course bones go out of place, that’s literally what a dislocation is… I have a genetic condition that causes frequent dislocations (in my body of course, not my spine) and that’s the only thing I go to chiropractors for. But yeah I agree with the rest. the chiros I see work with physical therapists in the same practice, give PT exercises, and fixing my dislocations is always a 1 visit thing none of that ‘come back every week’ nonsense.
This. Great post. I get referrals from chiros and PTs alike. My work improves brain/body communication to improve activation of muscular systems via nervous system, which can help people hold alignment changes, and also consistently improves PT results as well. There are indeed extremely open minded new age chiros that do not adjust violently and are much more like physios, and also new age PT's that are focused on the nervous system connection and more than just giving people exercises that may or may not create the desired activation of the weaker system that is being targeted.
To help with communication, a person licensed to practice medicine needs a "Doctor of Medicine" degree and is granted the title "Physician" when they receive a state license to practice medicine. "Physician" is the most correct word, and few people use it. Otherwise, medical doctors, doctors of physical therapy, doctors of dental surgery, doctors of psychology, doctors of philosophy, and chiropractors (doctors of chiropractic?) are all equally "Doctors", a title granted to them by their university/college degree granting program. Physicians are the only doctors who practice medicine, and are the first ones you should see if you have abnormal signs and symptoms. Edit: Turns out I'm absolutely wrong, and most states let chiropractors call themselves all sorts of names that are misleading to the public. Edit: The bottom line here, is if somebody calls themselves a doctor, ask "of what?", and know what you're getting in to. Chiropractors don't diagnose or treat anything, and are more similar to massage therapists than Medical Doctors. Edit: Doctors of Osteopathy can get a license to practice medicine and are granted the title "Physician" as well after receiving state medical licensure. (thanks greeneggsandspanks!) A DO may even be your surgeon for an orthopedic or spinal procedure.
In some states the term physician is actually not entirely protected and chiropractors can use it (Oregon for example). Also DOs are physicians and have the same scope as MDs but have a doctorate of osteopathic medicine.
@@greeneggsandspanks9352 That's insane that the title "physician" is not protected in some states. :oO It turns out I'm in one of only NINE states where the title "physician" is protected.
My family has been going to a chiropractor for a while. They all told me how good it was for me and how it would give me healthy changes for the better. I always thought it was weird that I never felt any different after going to the chiropractor, minus having mild neck pain sometimes. The chiropractors talked like professionals in the human body and since I'm still a kid I don't have the most complete understanding of biology so it sounded reasonable to me. I never heard anything bad regarding them, so I just assumed they were professionals. I never stopped to think "Hey, it doesn't make much sense that putting pressure on your back somehow fixes your nervous system. How would your spinal cord being slightly off affect nerve communications?" Looking back on it after some research it's hard to believe that I thought it was sound science. Definitely gonna have a talk with my parents after seeing this.
I had a back surgery when I was 21. Afterwards, I went to physical therapy to work on my strength so I could protect my back in the future. At the same time, my mom started going to a chiropractor. She had used chiropractors before and had good experiences. I went in with her, and instead of convincing her they are good at their job as chiropractors, they fed into her fear that I would get hurt again unless I got adjusted weekly. At this time, I was getting a degree in marketing and I realized, they were good at their jobs… as salespeople. They used fear tactics and the pain point of my mom’s to convince her to get adjusted weekly, and have extra services for $50 additional a month. She does not go to that chiropractor anymore after many conversations about the predatory tactics and bad experiences in their office. I don’t care if someone wants to go feel better at a chiropractor but the way they tried to scare my mom (and me but I was visibly not into it at the sales pitch) pissed me off and I can’t in good conscience ever think this is a good service.
There was a famous body builder that only went to chiropractor. He can hardly walk now after years of body building and back aches that never went away despite going to chiropractors
Is that Ronnie Coleman? He also seriously believed "no pain, no gain" and set personal bests while lifting with a slipped disk or something. No doctor could have kept him from destroying his body. Absolute madlad.
@@luescomez7464 that may be so, but my point is Ronnie did it all to himself by training way past safe human limits. More juice in his veins than a pharmacy has on shelves and also training through crippling injuries are what ruined his back past the point of repair. Don't think he even regrets it either because he's the GOAT. Personally I wouldn't make that trade. That's why he's Ronnie and I couldn't be. If he'd listened to an MD he'd still be able to walk. May or may not have got so big.
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I went to a chiropractor when I was a sophomore in high school because I had back problems and could barely walk normal. The first thing I remember was they sat me down on a chair and asked me if I wanted the shock treatment or the massage table to help “lossen me up” I said no to the shock treatment and they tried to continually convince me to do it but I refused. While my stepmom and the chiropractor were talking I fell asleep on the table and woke up to an intense electricity going through my body. Apparently while I was asleep they hooked up the pads all over and put it on its highest power. And I couldn’t move and was in so much pain. I screamed and told them to stop. And when I asked them WTH was wrong with them they said we really thought you would like it, “just thought you were being dramatic”. I didn’t even feel better after the experience I was originally there for.
Actually insane
Your stepmom failed you
Dam, I'm sorry that happened to you. But ts fucks like these thay nullify some of the good work others have done. I can say from my experience that they were awesome and did wonders on my back pain and ankle pain
They're not doctors or even proper medical professionals. Honestly, I'm just glad you survived.
That is wild and I’m so sorry that happened to you. I’d lose my mind
My dad’s a traumatologist, he HATES those guys. Many people go to him to fix the problems chiropractors started and the thing is, there’s nothing much that can be done!
Dont let anyone play with your literal backbone, people!
ts founder, Daniel David Palmer (1845-1913), was a practicing mesmerist and spiritualist who attributed his “discovery” of chiropractic in 1895 to “communications” from the disembodied spirit of a deceased physician.
Literally go see any licensed doctor and or physical therapy. Chiro is a cult
Your dad conjures the souls of the dead?!
@@Zunderfeuer only Saturdays from 12 to 4 pm
Whats a traumatologist if you dont mind me asking 😮
@@kassyyar97any openings at 2 pm Saturday?? I’m tryna talk to my bitchass dad
Someone ran into my mom when she was 17 with their car. It gave her spinal issues for life. When i was 17 she used to go to this chiropractor about 2 times a week and would never stop raving about it. Me being an angsty teen who had to learn about everything, I educated myself on chiropractors and the danger they pose to a persons body. I had so many back and forth conversations with her about her health. She never wanted to hear it. I moved away for school at 18 and recently when I went to visit her, (im 23 now) i asked her about her neck and if she still sees chiropractors. Turns out they fucked up her spine so bad that her disks have slipped even further out of alignment and now she has even more pinched nerves. She never told me because she isnt the kind of person who can to be wrong about anything. Anyways,,, there is nothing wrong with trying your options and wanting relief, but it is SO important to research because if not, someone could really hurt you.
That's sad. I wish your mother the best. It must be so painful.
Myeah. My grandfather had similar story, but the real doctors were able to fix everything in the end. My friend who is a professional massager, is always telling that the massaging/chiropractice is temporary pain releaser but that it does not fix anything permamently. When he was in school, they were told to NEVER do any real chiropractice, because it usually just makes everything worse in the long run, even if it can ease the pain.
Wishing all well for you and your family.
@@Smawllzhows moms move
theyd rather burn than accept responsibilities
What’s the evidence the chiropractor caused the discs to worsen and not the wreck and then bad body mechanics throughout her life over the next 20 years? I do physical therapy so don’t try and BS me. I know the answer. There is none. You could be right, but I’m fairly sure you’re not.
@@Smawllz no this guy is lying now. He saying things he doesn’t know are true. Why do you guys believe every moron on the Internet who says anything? What on earth did he possibly say to persuade you that the chiropractors caused this issue? It doesn’t even matter if mom thinks that. What did he say to validate the mom’s viewpoint that the chiropractor caused increased herniated discs and it wasn’t the accident and exacerbation for nearly 20 years later. Bad body mechanics or normal wear and tear are normal? Id argue maybe it was the f&cking accident she was in that messed her back up since we already know that’s the case and that doesn’t just fix itself and it very often gets worse over the next 20 years.
I once treated a patient brought in by EMS. Only thing he could say was “chiropractor” between intense vomiting, non stop try heaving, extreme dizziness and the worst headache ever. Sent immediately for emergency neurosurgery for vertebral dissection.
I do acute stroke treatments - I’ve had 3 dissections from chiropractors in the last five years. Unreal that people pay for this utter nonsense.
Suuuuure, lol.
I'm not surprised, from the videos I've seen. I'm only surprised that they get away with it.
@@youforget1000thingsaday especially neck adjustments can cause strokes, it happens a lot
I love how you said “worst headache ever” like you knew how bad it was 😂
I am an ex pediatric trauma nurse, had a 10y old girl who fell badly on her neck during sport. The parents went to a chiropractor instead of a doctor. No Xray. She had several fractured cervical disks and he/she cracked her neck multiple times. The surgeon said it was a miracle she could still walk or was even alive.
So the chiropractor performed a miracle
A lot of people will trust a non-licensed quack "miracle" doctor rather than going to the hospital.
143rd 👍
That's how good the chiropractor was, they didn't do any damage
Yall are delusional if you think cracking a broken neck helped it at all. Dont jump to conclusions
My high function autistic co-worker, by demand of his parents, went to a chiropractor for a year for back pain. When he finally went to a medical professional my co-worker learned he had cancer. My co-worker passed away two weeks later.
Rest in peace John.
R.I.P. John
oh wow thats so sad
Parents will drag you down with them if you allow them to
Lol
Bruh
I once heard a chiropractor say that a newborn baby needed an adjustment the day after birth and every week after for life to "get them started off right." Thats when I realized they were full of shit.
They're so spongy. What could POSSIBLY need adjusting??? They literally can't move because their joints don't exist yet.
SO many posts on the social media crunchy mom groups advocate sending your infant to a chiropractor. It's going to kill someone.
@@DAEsaster sure, but at the same time, some babies get born by being pulled out by the head using forceps. you don't think that could cause some issues with the alignment of their bones in their neck/spine?
@@ge2719 If there is any damage, do you seriously think a chiropractor would know how to deal with it?
@@jorge69696 did i say i thought that?
As a physical therapy student, we are taught a few chiropractic techniques to use in the clinic. High Velocity Low Amplitude maneuvers do NOT “Put joints back in place.” Rather, it moves the joint into its end range and it releases various endorphins into our body to relax muscles and TEMPORARILY relieve pain. With the muscles now relaxed, the patient can move with more range of motion with less pain so we can work on strengthening and stabilizing the surrounding muscles to improve function. Before we even consider doing any chiropractic maneuvers, we do a medical screen. ESPECIALLY if we want to manipulate the neck. If the patient had ANY sort of traumatic event within the past month (or honestly, I go as far back as 3 months) we dont do any chiropractic maneuver until imaging is done. And even if the patient did not have a traumatic event, we do a full cranial nerve exam and upper quarter clearing exam to ensure the patient is safe to undergo cervical manipulation.
Yeah but y’all don’t perform fatalities on y’all’s clients bruh😂😂😂😂😂
Well said! Medical educator here and when doing patient education I get a fair few questions regarding chiropractic. Often, I'll suggest that if patients want to visit a chiro they should follow a few simple rules:
1) Consult with your primary care physician first and receive their go-ahead
2) Only go to a chiro that openly adheres to evidence-based guidelines (American College of Physicians, NICE, etc.)
3) If possible, go to a physical therapist that practices chiro. This is not uncommon and provides better support that the individual is adequately trained.
4) DO. NOT. Go to a chiro if any of the following are true:
-The chiro recommends long-term or repeated visits, especially if they don't provide a clear treatment plan with a defined goal. Chiros hold a same level of expertise as a massage therapist. They are not medical professionals and cannot treat or diagnose; hold their statements to the same expectations you would after receiving a massage.
-You have any neurological deficits (e.g., loss of sensation or muscle weakness).
-You have back pain caused by infection, fracture, or cancer.
-You have been diagnosed with a spinal condition that contraindicates manipulation (e.g., severe disc herniation or osteoporosis).
-You are experiencing symptoms that suggest a medical emergency (such as loss of bowel/bladder control).
Chiros are supposed to be more like PT's.
They are not supposed to twist and crack people
I have had good experiences with chiropractic adjustments and deep muscle massages, but I would rather go to a PT or MD for adjustment over a chiropractor. Chiropracty is popular overseas and is done in tangent with Western medicine, but I don't really trust going to a chiropractor here.
@Younce_Davies You have to find the right one in the states.
Don't go to any that want to yank or twist your neck.
My mom got a stroke because a chiropractor performed a neck move that’s illegal in multiple states. Luckily, she made a full recovery but that shit was scary
Had an old friend have the exact same thing happen.
There's a reason you sign a waiver
My goodness I am so sorry I am hoping she is doing so much better! Wishing the best recovery
bro the same thing happened to my friends mom. fuck chiros
Omg I'm so sorry
If that man pulled out the forbidden move so casually on some random patient,imagine what he would do to someone he has a vendetta against
I went to a chiropractor a couple times. Cracked a few bones and just told me to eat healthy, take supplements and excersise. But wanted me to come back twice a week for 8 weeks for "readjustments" and "health check ups" for $60/session. So essentially the health benefits that you would see are actually coming from the healthy lifestyle choices and overpriced multi-vitamins they sell at the counter, and the "adjustments" are there to make their job not look like a glorified health coach. Maybe I'm wrong, but outside looking in this is what it looks like to me.
You’re correct dawg
100%
Years back the job I was at had a health fair and I did stop by the chiropractor there to drag out not going back to work. His free evaluation of my spine was I had to be in severe agony and it was a marvel that I was able to walk. He strongly suggested I start making regular biweekly appointments with him. The fact that I was holding a large bag of free swag in my arms didn't factor in with my posture.
Same thing happened to me. They cracked my shit, put those silly suction cup things and gave me massage on a table. They then said "yeah idk man just stop lifting heavy shit or stretch befote you do it. Anyways come back every week and that will be $80"
You still paid him, so you kept the machine running. Well done!
Practicing Physical Therapist here. With the amount of times I’ve had to counteract the damage that chiropractor has done it’s honestly a wonder how they are still considered “medical care”.
RN here. Love PTs.
Hate chiropractors. Seen 2 cervical artery dissections. One died.
It's also just offensive. Don't pretend to know things you don't. That's so antithetical to modern healthcare.
Chiropractics is like the dirty bandaid you put on the issue physical therapy would actually help you with
Working on one case now
Because it's easier on insurance to not have science actually applied to their patients what with the high costs that _insurance companies_ made happen. And it's easier when a patient dies.
@@billbill6094 insurance companies hate chiropractors more than anyone else
physical therapy vs chiropractice is like astronomy vs astrology
one is based in *SCIENCE* and *PROOF* and *RECREATIONAL EVIDENCE* and the other is "trust me bro"
Good example!
I'd love to see your evidence of recreation? Jk, I know u meant recreatable. I hope.
@@normaswann8992 just ask your mom about it
Recreational evidence, when science is fun
@@Killbaynemoooooooom?!?!?
One chiropractor pinched a nerve in my moms neck leaving her nearly paralyzed. Shes better now.
There's no such thing as "nearly paralyzed" I could Crack my own neck, feel some slight discomfort and then say "Oh my gosh, I was nearly paralyzed"
Glad to hear she's better, but God damn that's scary.
Yeh that’s always a risk. Have a friend who had an artery in her neck severed during the neck twist thing. Had to get emergency surgery.
@@yolsil775pitch pinched
@@jezzeyablejfc…
I used to go to a chiropractor 2-3x a week for almost a year due to having constant neck and back pain. One day, I went in and they used the Y-strap technique on me. HURT LIKE HELL! Nothing cracked and I layed there unable to move as single tear fell from each eye. Wife was standing next to me super worried. I told them I couldn't move....so they did another pull on the Y-strap to try and "fix" it. I eventually was able to move again and went home feeling a bit better. Later that night, I was taking a shower, and out of nowhere my neck siezed up and I couldn't move for about 2 hours. Needless to say, I no longer see a chiropractor. Went to a PT shortly after and they thouroughly explained the numerous lies that the chiropractor was feeding not only my wife and I, but the hundreds of others that were being seen there. They even had a jug sitting in the main waiting area that was meant for people to "dispose" of their prescription medications that were no longer needed due to the "healing nature" of the chiropractic care.....insane.
I'm interested what happened to the meds that were discarded in this jug. I'm sure they had some street value. 🤣
@@claytonbouldin9381 depending in how their business was certified, I'm pretty sure any way they "dispose" of prescriptions is illegal.
And people act like it is not a scam.
@@claytonbouldin9381 LMAO I want a jug
My dad's friend was temporarily paralyzed after seeing a chiropractor in the early 2000s. He injured his back at work and for some reason his work's insurance recommended him seeing a chiropractor that they covered the cost for. Turns out the injury he sustained was a slipped disc and the chiropractor ended up pushing it further out of alignment and ended up putting pressure on his spinal cord as a result, paralyzing him temporarily from the lower back down and making the pain even worse in the area above the disc. He ended up needing surgery.
When I was 21 I was assaulted at work causing three of my discs in my lower back to herniate. They herniated in towards my spinal cord rather than out due to the blows my back received during the assault. Extremely painful as you can imagine. It wasn't enough on it's own to cause paralysis or anything, but if something causes inflammation it puts pressure on my spinal cord and the surrounding nerves, causing much worse pain than I am normally in. Sometimes bad enough that I can't walk at all and have literally had to be carried to the bathroom and bed ridden. Been told that they don't want to try surgery unless it gets worse as my doctors say the risk of complications or potentially making it worse outweighs potential benefits. I also can no longer get pain relief due to the opiate crisis in the country, basically being told that they don't want young people "dependant" on them, an issue a lot of chronic pain patients are facing right now. I had been on them for a few years at this point and was basically told I would just have to get used to it, even though I was only prescribed enough to take the edge off on my bad days... So was made to go cold turkey, that sucked hard for adapting to the pain. I went to hydrotherapy, physical therapy and a pain management clinic. You would not believe how many people tell me I should see a chiropractor even though I see literal professionals and think a chiropractor will do a better job than them... I tell them about my dad's friend and how much worse a chiropractor made his back issue, no way in hell I am risking my back after knowing how badly they stuffed his back. People still insist they know better and his case was a once off, even though there is so much evidence proving otherwise.
After this wall of text I see why someone wanted to get yo ash at work 😂
That sucks man I’m so sorry to hear. I’m in NJ and get meds, but I go through the VA. They have different rules. So I am lucky in that regard. I can at least get some relief.
But I’ve heard states like Florida cut them off completely after the pill mills got way out of hand.
It’s insane that they punish everyone because of a few bad doctors and some addicts looking for a high. So now everyone suffers.
Though I’m sure the politicians still get their meds no problem 🙄
@@oldkingcrow777 so what you're saying is, "If I see too many words at once I become violent."
Get your "ash" a god damn education.
@@oldkingcrow777 room temp iq spotted.
@@oldkingcrow777ey screw you
my mother is a PT. she mostly works with elderly people nowadays, and there have been far too many that went to chiropractors, said they still hurt, then after a month with my mother, they said they felt better. wow, who would’ve guessed that a temporary solution (the relief from cracking) is only temporary
Dude knocked a glob of ear wax out of another man’s head and a whole branch of “healing” was born. 🤣
Was looking for this comment.
That's how it could have actually gone lmfao
*slaps back with maximum force*
*huge ass wax plug falls out from the impact*
Dude, maybe! I get some wicked earwax. Messes up my hearing bad after a couple months
"after a couple months"
>peers over at q-tips
if only there was a way to prevent buildup of wax or something
LMFAO 😂😂😂😂😂
Before my back surgery, my orthopedic surgeon told me to avoid chiropractors entirely. 10 times out of 10, I was advised to get x-rays/MRIs done and visit a licensed physical therapist specializing in whatever my issue was.
How do physical therapy so I appreciate it and I’m not being defensive but chiropractors are still good but they’re not good for issue. If you think something hurts, let me just go to a chiropractor, that’s stupid. That’s not him saying chiropractors are dangerous he saying that’s not the type of medicine you need for what you have… get it? Antibiotics aren’t bad but if you thought antibiotics would help you because you were insane and he told you not to go get antibiotics for this, that wouldn’t be an argument against antibiotics altogether.
I had DEBILITATING back pain for about 5 years. I could barely walk, barely sleep, it was awful. I spent so much money on MRIs, PT, orthopedist visits, dry needling, etc. I was 1 step from having surgery (which I wanted to avoid because once you have 1, you'll need another) and I went to a chiropractor and within 3 weeks I was back to running. Apparently my sacrum was frozen to my illium but in 5 years and $20k, nobody could figure it out
@@jessejive1174 you a real dumbass huh
@@PersononYT56 Let me get this traight. A chiro( person with no qualifications to perscribe nor read radiological findings ,let alone treat 2 conjoined bones in a non invassive manner) was able to return you to full asymptomatic state in 3 weeks(impossible considering your condition lasting for 5 years andrehab sessions are 2/3 alternating days a week, so according to you, the chiro "fixed" 5 years of impairment in 4/5 sessions)but several medical professionals who are actually licensed to treat your actual condition couldn't figure it out?
Thats absolutely a bluff, and nobody's buying it.
@@jessejive1174I’m going to guess that the average skill floor for chiropractors is lower than the average skill floor for licensed physical therapists though. As you say, there probably are chiros that are smart about what they use on who to prevent injury, but I sure don’t want to be the person to find the bad one and risk injury. It just seems like an unnecessary risk
Can’t be a coincidence that this was uploaded the exact same day I tried to convince my grandma to go to a PT instead of a chiropractor for her persistent neck pain. She refuses to because for some fucking reason their insurance covers chiropractic appointments no questions asked, but she’d have to get a referral from a doctor for PT and then insurance only covers whatever length of time the doctor refers you for. How the fuck are chiropractors just covered automatically like that?? Is there some massive conspiracy between chiropractors and all major insurance companies?
Not a professional, but theres definitely a mass conspiracy between the two. Seeing that insurance companies cut any and all corners to make more money for themselves, and know that chiropractors also take advantage of their clients, guess who is now worth investing in...
@@GuadalupeMcGuilicuttymakes sense
Should I get a ps5?
@@mattH3ew nope
Basically the only reason I go to the chiropractor is because it's a short massage covered by insurance.
Chiropractors make fun of physical therapists. Physical therapists fix damages by chiropractors.
Me: "Chiropractor is a pseudoscience"
Chiropractor:- "It got the word science in it"
Lol it's like thinking Scientology is a medical religion because it got most of 'science' in the name
Accidentally thoughtformed scoliosis
Scientology has science and ology, you cant go wrong.
Are tulpapractors covered by your insurance? @@user-ns4zm8qe9p
You: sold! Snap my back daddy!
When I was 5 I went to a chiropractor and him and my mom went to the storage closet instead of his chiropractor room.
nice!
As the child of a chiropractor I can confirm this happens
Adds up
Plot twist: That wasn't a chiropractor
good god 😂
I cheered out loud when I saw the notification. I was stuck with an abusive chiropractic culty voice teacher who pressured me for three years to go to one. The stalling I had to do was so exhausting, she just wouldn't understand that I'm disabled in a way that could endanger my life IF i went to a chiropractor. They're so dangerous, even for someone fully able bodied. One of the first things they ask you if you go to the ER for stroke symptoms is "Have you been to a chiropractor recently".
Is that actually true about the ER thing? I don’t go to hospitals ever, certainly never been to the ER let alone for stroke symptoms lol
@@hectichive889no
@@hectichive889 As far as I know.
I injured my back at work slipping two discs. They offered me chiropractic visits for workmans comp and i opted for physical therapy. Chiropractors are quacksssss
I'm a physical therapist
I can't tell you how ma y times I have a patient come in with chronic idiopathic scoliosis and they say they've been seeing a chiropractor
"How long have you been going to the chiro?"
"About 8 years"
"And has it been helping?"
"Oh yes, it's the only thing that's been making me feel better"
"So would you say you're symptoms overall have been improving?"
"Oh no I feel like I'm getting worse!"
"Just out of curiosity, how kuch is the chiro charging you for their services?"
"A couple hundred a week for 3 sessions that are 10 minutes each"
What!!!
I had the opposite. I had less sessions over time, went from 2-3 a week to 1 every 3-4 weeks. Because initially I couldn’t get through a few days without being in agony or being able to walk properly. Being with my chiropractor helped my sciatica and chronic back pain and over time allowed me to live relatively pain free (as long as i did the right things at home, right chairs to sit on, not overdoing walks etc).
i think chiros are just different in Australia 🤷♀️
A psychical therapist that can’t spell psychical….
Filcycle*
@@SteveJobIess flipicyle*
@@PickleNick7008 *Flextape
A chiropractor is a great way to turn a minor annoyance into the real thing.
Chiropractors fix any and all problems! I went to a chiropractor when I was 5 and he told me I was so short because my b52 and my f25 were fused. He put me on a rack and now I'm 7ft, never looked back. Nor up or down.
Yeah I got into a crash and so many people told me to go to the chiropractor to get my ankle that was slightly sore fixed, 30 seconds into it he twisted the wrong ankle and messed it up for 2 weeks, still hurts sometimes to be honest.
went to a chiropractor for an injury i had from weight lifting, was scared to move and worsen it. went to my chiro that I've been going to for years, i walked out completely fine and was lifting again the next day.
Soft tissue and physical therapy work are pretty proven. I never let my Chiropractors adjust me. Rather its more about their knowledge of the spine and its attachments so they tend to provide the best service for soft tissue and physical therapy relating to those areas. A good Chiro wont be an adjustment bot and it will only be a small supporting tool in their practice.
I was a professional athelete. Had many chrios, doctors, physical therapists, masseuses ect. It’s all about finding a good one. There a lot of bad doctors and all of the above out there.
Had a boss that was in a HORRIBLE accident, flipped her car a bunch. She survived but was recommended to do physical therapy and see a doctor regularly to get checked out a lot to make sure everything was okay. Somewhere someone recommended her to see a chiropractor. She would explain how the persistent pain she had that wouldn't ever go away, did go away after that first visit. But then it's come back and she'd HAVE to keep going because it was the only way for it to go away. Everytime she'd be working and complaining about how the pain is coming back and she has to see her guy, I was like it sounds like you're just addicted to getting cracked 😵💫😵💫 like she'll just have to do this and pay all this money to this "highly sought after expert" the rest of her life?? I tried to tell her maybe you should actually see a doctor about the pain and she would be ADAMANT that all she had to do was see her guy. Smfh.
I mean a doctor’s just gonna put her on opiates for the rest of her life. Serious injuries result in pain. You either learn to live with it, exercise regularly and make your body stronger, become an addict that’s dependent on the medical system, or find temporary relief through chiropractic, needle treatment, or whatever else people are doing. Tbh the most mature way to handle it is living with it and exercising to make yourself stronger. So much muscle and bone pain can be eliminated by fixing your diet and exercising regularly.
Sounds like she's either lazy and not working out according to what she's recommended, or the chiro is not telling her that she should. Either way, she needs to do her part of the healing, he can't fix her, he can only adjust and relieve but if she doesn't help her body strengthen that'll be a neverending cycle.
Say what you will about pain killers, but maybe shes just broken broken, and needs to see a doc for some? :/ Dont get me wrong, being addicted to opiates CAN suck, as someone that takes suboxn, but there IS a use case for them, especially when your in pain/ suffering.
@@smokagamingphysical pain is physical pain. It’s part of life. Opiate addiction is a literal epidemic. I’d rather have a sore back than a fentanyl problem. Most people are too weak and too eager to attempt to solve the issue with drug abuse.
My dad is nearly the exact same story, he was in an awful wreck in his truck, recovered from it and started seeing a chiropractor on a weekly basis for like 15 years until his insurance stopped covering it, so he eventually fell back into constant excruciating pain and had to have like 3 different back surgeries once he went and got an actual professionals opinion
I have got to say that this is one of the funniest most well-edited videos I have seen in so long. Excellent job on this one you definitely earn my subscription
My friend got into a car accident once, and he was trying to save money so he went to a chiropractor instead of his primary physician. The case of the accident eventually went to court and he submitted his chiropractor’s report saying he had whiplash and neck/back pain and the judge threw it out bc it was a chiropractor and not a medical doc
Bro you gotta go to gp doctor, specialists, chiro, psychologist, therapist, physical therapist. You gotta run up those damages.
Long term it'll cost more. That type of thinking is silly
Really? I went to the Drs and then the chiropractor every week after a hit and run where the plate fell off so I used the insurance company. And all he did was the vibrating thing. I told him what happened and he told me how to get the most out of it. I thought that was what chiropractors were for it baffles me that people actually go to them for help.
in Louisiana they tried to send me to a chiropractor to qualify for disability payments... for endometriosis, a congenital, chronic tissue disorder that has no cure and is invisible on blood tests and imaging tests. it can only be diagnosed by a surgeon during surgery. 😂
@@Peace0fmindx You thought chiropractors were for...insurance claim advise?
Never let someone adjust your neck/back besides a surgeon. My mom went to a chiropractor with a slipped disk and got adjusted and was screaming in so much pain we had to take her to the hospital after anyway.
Shut up nerd
How's it the chiropractor's fault she was previously injured?
@@tgatt5759 They don't fix issues. It's better to just see a surgeon or physical therapist. They work with you to fix the issue unlike Chiropractors. It's just quackery.
@@tgatt5759you go to a doctor to get stitches, you leave with a wound triple the size. Strange how only these fake doctors get to do that
@@tgatt5759 Personally I think that should be something they check for if they want to pretend to be legitimate. Pretty idiotic and irresponsible, but there's no convincing you I'm sure.
My partner’s older sister has been in critical condition for the last five months after having multiple strokes from what the doctors believe was from a chiropractor appointment. They said they have never seen (body part in her neck I forget what) as torn to shreds as hers were. She can’t speak, eat on her own, dress herself, and everything else.
I’m not trying to cause mass panic about this, bc I think this is a rare thing. But it truly did happen to her and her life is forever changed. Admittedly, I used to love going to the chiropractor (knowing it was mainly BS but still bc it felt good for a little while). My partner used to always say he felt worse afterwards anyways, and now we will definitely never go back. My partner loves your channel, but I’m very scared for when he sees this video in his notifications.
Edit: I made this comment within the first min of the video and didn’t even know he would mention that it can cause a stroke. It’s rare, but it’s true.
There are enough relatively safe positions you can do at home. Putting a lot of force in just cant be right, overbending cant be right. If sonething eases the pain for a period of time its when low or nearly no force is required to pop. And it shouldnt be done frequently and if something already hurts pretty bad you should go to a physical therapist or doctor.
It's the vertebral artery, and it's not all that rare. I know of three people who have stroked out from cervical adjustments. One is paralyzed and just won seven figures in a settlement.
We've got a family friend who's been a chiropractor for fifty years. He doesn't do cervical adjustments and thinks chiros who do are assholes.
@@Combo7-y2h there have to be many cases that have been settled privatly or that were not connected to chiropactry failures.
Its so sad to hear. 7 figures is nice but if its worth not moving idk. Best wishes to your family bro. Try to make the best of it i guess.
There has to be more acknowledgement of these problems, videos like this should make a good beginning.
Sadly, it's not that rare
@@SavageMinnow Actually, it's extremely rare. But don't let facts get in your way.
If you want the “pop” sensation and want an “adjustment,” just go to a DO. An osteopathic medical doctor is trained in OMT, which chiropractic derives from. Except, OMT has limits and no good DO would ever go past that limit when they’re doing OMT on you. Also, as medical doctors, a DO can actually refer you to a PM&R doctor or a PT for further “adjustments” and “pops.” A DO can prescribe muscle relaxers and stronger NSAID’s to hold you over until you see the specialists for permanent treatment. lol just go to an osteopathic trained medical doctor
I used to go to a chiropractor in high school for pain from playing football. Then the place got shut down due to the owner having CP on his computer in the workplace... That kind of ruined going to the chiropractor for me.
Bruh, that’s just the abbreviation for ChiroPractor porn 😈
Dawg that’s insane 😨
I used to go to a chiropractor but then i took an arrow to the knee.
@@5daysastrangerwow a new meme wildly appears
He must've been jorkin' it in between patients
I was caregiver to a disabled girl. Her mom took her to the chiropractor and she became partially paralyzed and unable to walk for 2 weeks. Got investigated by CPS. Taking kids to these ppl is a bad idea, especially those who cant effectively follow instructions etc
I have a good friend that's a chiro and I can't help but quote one of several chiropractor burns from Family Guy everytime I see him lol "it's a procedure where a guy that couldn't get into medical school tries to rip your head off"
im currently on google and i cant find anything that says chiropractors are not licensed healthcare professionals?
@@bigpradaboy3629 look harder
They really aren't
@@bigpradaboy3629they're not medical doctors.
@@bigpradaboy3629There's nothing saying bakers aren't licensed medical professionals- "alternative medicine" means "we either can't prove it works or we can prove it doesn't." How would you even be a "professional" when what you're doing is indistinguishable from doing nothing?
Thumb nail looks like an RL Stine Goosebumps book cover.
Been to a chiropractor once, long story short I hobbled out of that hell hole with more problems than I walked in with.
This video and your comment was enough for me to decide not to go (and I was thinking about it)
Dont go to a chiropractor go to a physical therapist.
People have to sweat so they don't like that. Always like the easiest solution. It's like ozempic and going to the gym...
It's not that. Chiros have been so normalized people actually think it's a option
your bones are 'out of alignment' because the muscles, tendons, and ligaments are too weak to do their job, which is to quite literally keep your bones in alignment.
100%. Physical/athletic therapist's goal is to you not to have to come back.
@@w花byou took the words out of my mouth
I’m an MRI technologist and the worst spines I’ve seen are from patients that frequently go to chiropractors. Please avoid them they make every issue you have worse, they profit off of “it feels good in the moment” but in reality you are doing irreversible damage to your spine
Correlation not causation people with bad spines are more likely to seek alternative care, if no medical advise helps you’ll seek others
I don’t really believe in chiropractors but my family goes to them. My sister and mom have scoliosis. My sister has an extra vertebrae and my mom has one leg slightly shorter than the other. They have both been that way from birth. So.. yea obviously they might seek out extra care because they already have back issues.
Real science didn't work? Time to pay a fake doctor $60/hour to batter my spine
I had to check that technologist is a word.. that's goofy as fuck. ❤
@@kevinayala2028 Makes more sense, it's like a survivor bias type of thing. You usually go to a chiropractor when you already have issues, not to get a massage because you felt like It. On the other hand you could study people that regularly go to a chiropractor vs people seeking a more scientifically supported specialist and compare how many spines get in better shape after some time. Since all the patients supposedly come to you because they already have back issues, we just have to measure the efficacy on what it's supposed to treat.
My question has always been why aren’t chiropractors in the emergency room if they’re so effective?
Palmer didn’t find golden tablets but he did claim that he got the basic ideas for chiropractic medicine during seances with a dead doctor from Davenport, Iowa named Jim Atkinson. I shit you not!
Lmfao that’s amazing
"ts founder, Daniel David Palmer (1845-1913), was a practicing mesmerist and spiritualist who attributed his “discovery” of chiropractic in 1895 to “communications” from the disembodied spirit of a deceased physician."
It's TOTALLY INSANE
@@FukaiKokoroI'll be honest. I don't believe in ghosts like deceased people. I do believe in spirits tho. Can you imagine it was like a demon or something? 😂
how is it that not everybody has woken the fck up already man 😭😭😭
My mother once went to a chiropracty session. The chiropractor was the husband of her best friend and she trusted him. After the session my mother went home and took a nap. She later woke up to a severe case of pain, dizziness, and partial blindness. Turns out he somehow popped my mom’s artery in her neck and she could have died if she slept for much longer. Her friend and her husband never apologized and are out of our lives.
Edit: just finished the video. I had NO IDEA that it was a common thing that killed a celebrity.
popped a *WHAT* NOW
@@Eddie_Winter i think they meant blood vessel maybe?
@@jhjffjfjkddf No, she meant artery. Meat talks about a few people who had the same thing happen to them in the video. By popped, she probably just meant the procedure ruptured/tore the artery.
@Eddie_Winter you can rip the artery in the neck it's kinda a known but rare risk
I have had a full spinal fusion, and people still tell me to see a chiropractor... think about that for a second. My spine is literally fused to a metal rod and can't bend, and people tell me to see a chiropractor.
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My poor Homestruck Troll Lady... 😞
@@deadchannel2837 damb is right
You should probably see a welder instead
You should see a welder
If I ever went to a chiropractor and they ever started to film a tiktok when they literally were about to crack my bones I'd run for the hills.
Parents who take their infants to a chiropractor need to be charged with child endangerment.
Idk I feel like spinal manipulation could be key to preventing scoliosis in cartilaginous spine before it becomes full-on bone, whenever I see anti-chiro it reminds me of antivaxxers or anti-trans freaking out about medical issues affecting
@@ConfusedBirthdayCake-so5wdDude that’s why you to a physical therapist who actually does that, ir just a masseuse. Not someone rolling the dice to see if they break your spine!
@@ConfusedBirthdayCake-so5wd Can we review the initial part where chiropractors are not medical doctors? Or the part where the foundations of chiropractic is based on magic ie. healing magnets? Do we wanna take a look at that before we start saying "it might work but literally no one can explain and demonstrate how"?
Have you ever seen a real baby chiropractic adjustment? It's ridiculously gentle. The one in this video is nonsense My sons back cracks more when I take him out of his high chair. You are conflating BS internet chiropractors with your typical, normal chiropractors.
@@ScareyBusey yeah it’s super gentle. We took our daughter because she had a stiff neck and was having trouble feeding while on her right side. The chiropractor did her thing and my daughter was able to start eating better on her side. Your mileage may vary but we only stopped going because it gets expensive and it’s not a necessity.
i had a guitar teacher once and he had a lot of neck pain and one day he went to a Chiropractor and then came back with lot more neck pain than before so he went to a real doctor and got some x ray images of his neck and
the results showed that his spine (neck) was almost snapped
his neck looked like a SCP-173 survival
Great reference!😂
On a sidenote, an SPC story being true is more likely than any Chiropractic claim.
Physical therapist here: 1.) thanks meat for the amusing and educational videos on all kinds of matters.
Chiropractice is pseudoscience and absolute money printing. A joint should never be moved forcefully with high amplitude, even if you dislocate your shoulder ("luxate" in medical term) there are ways to relocate it using only the gentlest of force and particular movements, risking pinching of nerves or blood vessels if you yank on it otherwise. Now imagine the Neck, not only is the cervical spine more delicate than the rest of the spine (thoracic, lumbosacral), it is the bridge between your brain and the rest of your body. You dont need to be smart to understand yanking and flicking such a delicate structure is a bad idea. It is true built up tension in the muscles of your neck can cause all sorts of issues, but even with massage you need to understand what the goal should be.
A muscle never just tenses up because it does not have anything better to do, most of the time a muscle tries to compensate for weaknesses, misalignments or directional force of the Bones, joints and ligaments (which can be impaired), if you loosen the muscle up you also loosen the joint the muscles tries to protect, this can be helpful and wanted if managed in therapy, otherwise it is most of the time just a brief rebrief of stiffness, pain and soreness felt, but not really adressing the underlying problem (like postural problems, underlying systemic health issues). If the goal should be to reduce pain long term on the daily, there is no way around regular specifically tailored exercises and lifestyle changes (like workplace ergonomics, work breaks, nutrition).
The simplest rule of the human body holds true - Use it or lose it, it being cognition, muscle, Range of Motion
Have a nice day and please dont trust people wildly yanking on body parts, much less so if they are doing it to children, risking permanent damage for life
I am currently in PTA training, and as we are learning about spinal chord injuries and how delicate the spine is in general I can't help but cringe watching these videos. 😬 I keep thinking back to all the times my parents took me to get adjusted as a kid...
I'm a doctor and just found out last year trough a physical therapist friend how much bs chiropractice is, I had always thought there was some truth to it but he made me see the reality when you compare it to PT, needless to say, I appreciate PT so much and always recommend patients who need it to seek it, thankfully where I live it's not that expensive and unattainable.
Fuck yeah, was hoping someone would be explaining subluxation and why, as a general rule, the further from "dislocation" that your spine is, the better. I always go to physios when I injure myself and have cancelled when the clinic tried palming me off to an osteopath.
PT is actually evidence based. Chiropractic is dangerous.
THIS, I'm in PT right now for my neck, specifically the cranium area, I have arthritis and was ill for 2 years, so just overall neck and shoulder weakness. Exercises, stretches and light massage gives me so much relief,, I've never been to a chiropractor and I never would.. Body pain is not a one day fix
“Doctors were prescribing coke back then”
Papa - “aright, maybe I was too hard on that crab apple guy” 😆
My chiropractor introducing the Y-strap is actually why I stopped seeing chiropractors all together. I thought it was a straight up noose and it made me reevaluate wtf I was paying for
Anyone who takes their baby to a chiropractor should have their children taken, and those chiropractors should be arrested. They know they don't know what the hell they're doing, and they still go for it because of money. And the parents are idiots.
It’s not illegal.
@@toxicsmurf no shit Sherlock. That's why I said they SHOULD
That's nice, Isaac. Go ahead and seethe some more about it.
@@isaacbrown4506 quit whining and call your legislator then
You saying you like it?
I went to a chiropractor when I was in high school because my mom was as very into alternative healing at the time. So I went to this chiropractor and he did the usual chiropractor procedures.
I kid you not, at one point he had me lay down on the bed and he pulled out a wooden case full of crystals. He told me to lift my shirt and placed a little crystal on my stomach, stared at it for a second, then said “hmm it looks like you have a lot of metals in your body. Have you been using a lot of metal recently or maybe paints?”
Coincidentally I did a few paintings with acrylic that summer so of course I bought into it at the time.
He was able to sell us on these two supplements that were a charcoal powder that you’d put in water, and a vitamin B supplement. ~$100 dollars for both, plus the $150 session.
Took me a few months to realize how stupid all this was. Never going back to a chiropractor again.
Everybody’s gotta learn one way or another. You’re lucky they only got you for $250.😊
@@ShibyTheLad that’s a good way to look at. Some people have been scammed 1000’s for temporary pain relief. Glad I’m not one of them!
Charcoal has been known to help filter your body's toxins, but it's most effective to absorb stuff out of your stomach. So if you're taking any daily medications, avoid charcoal like you'd avoid grapefruit.
However....what the fuck does that have to do with chiropractor stuff???
Reminds me of the time machine in Napoleon Dynamite that ran off crystals 🤣
Is your mom white
The main reason I don't go to a chiropractor is that everyone I've known that has gone to a chiropractor continues to go to chiropractors regularly.
the main reason i dont go to doctors is because that everyone i know that go to them to get medication for their chronic symptoms, they still taking the medication. lol
@@Hflame20it’s called chronic for a reason…. If a 300lb guy lost 100lbs he wouldn’t need his BP meds anymore, but no one wants that. The difference is when you go to an MD/DO and get a medication, they actually do tests to make sure it works
@@masterch1ef297 its called chronic for a reason, if the person going to chiropractor does regime to improve their muscle and postor they wouldnt need to go back to them. just like quack doctors that prescribe all the meds there are quack chiros that dont heal
Yeah, I went to a Chiro for a while when I was in high school due to a minor back injury and they told me I needed to be seen 2x a week for like 1-1.5 years. After the 1 year, I was basically told "okay, you're all set to just come in once a week for the rest of your life!"
@@baybqueI felt that, my chiropractor had many sessions at the beginning and I thought it was a scam but after going through it, my body overall felt great and I rarely get headaches anymore, I go once a month now
FYI the pop noises on the table in the video are from a "drop table" that drops when the chiropractor makes it, and is very loud. It seems mostly to trick the person on the table, and anyone watching the video.
Well there’s a distinctive pop that comes too. I got to the chiro a lot and you can tell the difference between a pop and a bang.
ya no, you ABSOLUTELY can tell the difference between the table drop and when your back is popping.
My favorite guitarist died as a result of chiropractic injury, Robbie Basho.
What band?
Or soloist?
@@conspiracycornerpodcast4302 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbie_Basho
Used to have a retail job where I was on my feet all day, never got to sit and ran a lot between the warehouse and the front area. I started getting numb and tingly in my hips, and it was so bad that I had to limp around my own house if I sat and rested longer than a few minutes. Without proper insurance I went to The Joint and I limped in, filled out paperwork, paid like 45$ and ended up walking out like normal again. I did a few adjustments after that at the "doc" told me "you should probably just get a job where you can actually sit down and rest"
I left with high blood pressure from relief/procedure but at least I wasn't limping. I stopped going because the main issue was fixed and I got a better job/rest. I've learned how to pop that old problem area myself and I very rarely have to do it anymore.
I consider myself lucky, especially after reading the comments. I should have tried to find a PT or spoken with my physician, but I was broke and desperate. If anything like thay every happens again, that's what I'll do!!
Also, just as a note bc I'm only like halfway through the video...but chiro videos ESPECIALLY on TH-cam are basically f*tish content. Borderline Spiderman and Elsa levels. Once you go down that rabbit hole, you'll regret it.
Modern practices see many people have poor posture, particularly in the neck which tends to straighten. You can fix that yourself buy gently stretching it out with a rolled up towel lying in bed.
I made the mistake of going to a chiropractor to help me release the tension in my neck. At the time I couldn't turn past 90 degrees either side whish was a direct consequence of the straightened neck problem that many people have.
He violently pushed against a vertebrae between my shoulders which he thought was responsible for my condition. The result was agony and a lifetime of pain and tightness from the area he manipulated.
Don't trust them! There's no such thing as your back being out in a way that cracking and manipulation make any difference other than creating an illusion that they're helping.
I fixed the neck problem myself by learning what ideal posture looks like and gently working on it myself. The damage the chiropractor did however is still part of my life 40 years later...
i work in the pharmaceutical world. if a drug has a 1 dose in 20,000 chance of killing someone it won't (well, it's not supposed to) be approved by the FDA. the absolute lowest number you need to be above is 1 in 100,000 (for extremely deadly and rare diseases), but realistically its closer to 1 in 10,000,000 (for most 'common' diseases). it's somewhat of a grey area depending on severity of disease being treated, but point is 1 in 20,000 is an astronomically high probability of serious complication (i.e. death), at least in my world. everything is weighed in terms of risk vs benefit and i dont see the 'potential and unverified' benefits outweighing the enormous and well-documented risks associated.
Except with MRNA Jabs which got approved with absolutely zero human safety trials, and continue to be used after reporting shows an adverse affect rate of 1/800.
@@harrydavey9884 Do you want certain death or potential death?
because actually getting covid has way more adverse affects than a shot.
@@harrydavey9884My dude... When I got covid it fucked up my lungs so badly that I could barely breathe for two weeks. My body felt like it was being crushed. I'm still suffering lingering effects like long and short term memory loss, impaired cognitive function, chronic fatigue, joint pain...
This was before the vax. After the vax I never got any other strain of covid, nor did I suffer any negative effects from the vax itself.
Stop being a misinformed idiot
@@warbossgegguz679was not. I got covid, I'm unvaccinated. I lived. And I don't have to worry about myocarditis from the spike proteins in the jab.
Y'all are only that dramatic to avoid confronting the possibility that you got scammed on a national scale.
@@harrydavey9884can you prove that covid vaccines have a 1/800 death outcome? Which is what op was talking about?
Correction on the first minute of the video, chiropractors actually don’t even have a DOCTORATE, that implies a PhD and years of study past a masters, to be a chiropractor you ONLY need a masters, the full title is ‘doctor of chiropractics’ however they do NOT have PhDs or are considered MDs in any way, it’s just a title they invented for themselves to make it seem like they have more than a masters but chiropractors are NOT doctors FYI
as i hunch back im afraid of a chiropractor having me go paralyzed
When's the last time the cathedral health and safety inspector carried out an assessment on your workspace? Your bell ringing posture is probably off.
@@ElcoreThat's almost as clever as an Igor joke, wow you're so funny. Got the whole class laughing.
If it is causing you pain try a physical therapist! Both my parents are PTs, it's like if a chiropractor *didn't* give you more issues than you walked in with. Physical therapy is typically prescribed after an injury but people do it for chronic issues all the time.
I love someone with a twisted back story
@@Elcorethis is not the time, bro
I went to a chiro after I got in a car accident... My hips and ass... hurt worse after I went.
Are you telling us that you hooked up with your chiro?
I'm a doctor of physical therapy and the longer I practice, the more I really don't like that chiropractic "care" is a thing
It's literally a cult. The guy that started it was a criminal who said ghosts told him how to do it.
But I want to get a massage tho... D:
@@dubuyajay9964 physical therapy does that too and I dare say better (I do manually therapy and massage all the time with my folks) ♥️ plus Physical Therapy can get you to a point where you don't even need to get massages or "adjustments"
@@dubuyajay9964 go to a masseuse then, not a chiropractor
I have a condition where my joints are useless and have SO MUCH RESPECT for physical therapists (and occupational therapists too)! I have so much back pain and people will always recommend Chiropractors and I look at them as if they've just murdered my first born before explaining how terrible a suggestion that is for someone with actual medical problems 😂
My grandpa was half paralyzed after a stroke. The pain was so bad he'd go to a chiropractor 2 times a week. He had a massive stroke on his last chiropractor visit and died the same day.
Sounds like its something that chiropractic couldn't fix, or for that matter, would most medicine wouldn't really help. Generally why a lot of people even go to chiropractors. But now it falls into the would've could've should've category. Sorry about your grandpa.
@@fangzea natural selecion. first error whas seing a chiropratic. second whas wasting time on them and not whit real doctors. you heard the first part of the video. magnets in your hand. you need to be dump to belive in this everest size lie
Sorry if this sounds bad but he shouldnt be risking it after A STROKE my goodness
@@fangzea chiropractors cant ''fix'' anything ffs.. Its about as effective as hypnosis. Which is to say not at all.
man yall just decided to drink the stupid juice mixed with the fib soda
that's not true, stop lying 🤣🤣
"got a stroke on his last visit" bro fuck off
I used to go to a guy who was a chiropractor, but also a physical therapist and licensed doctor. He honestly helped me a lot, although the people like him are few and far between, and I would probably never trust about 90% of chiropractors
similar experience here! My chiropractor had a physical therapy team that worked with him. He also required patients to work with other medical professionals because he made it very clear that his practice was supplementary pain management, and may not be enough for a full recovery. There are very very few chiropractors that are worth their money.
Weird that he’d get a fake degree (chiro) alongside the real one (PT)
@@SteezySteez2011 It's not a fake degree, it's simply not a medical degree. I'm not defending the practice itself but trying to clarify what a doctorate is. It is the highest grade of education you can get which requires you to have a masters and a bachelors beforehand. You CAN be a doctor in pretty much any field, including things like linguistics or history or geography and none of those make you a medical professional but they're also not fake. You DO get to use DR in front of your name or on your plates as a title even if your field has nothing to do with medicine.
Also as a side note pretty sure most ppl who practice PT and chiro are not even doctors, different countries might have different requirements but those professions need bachelors in order to get started and not higher. Wouldn't be surprised if in most cases people do not get a masters and a doctorate because it'd simply add on a lot of schooling for not much benefit besides the pretty diploma.
@@SteezySteez2011 I keep seeing this from both people claiming to be PTs and critics of this... you know PTs aren't doctors either, right?
Neither MD or DO, the latter of which is probably what you would IDEALLY want for joint and bone treatments since they're basically what chiropractors pretend to be.
@@KillahEU The real REAL doctors if we're being super-specific are Ph.Ds since that's the origin of the term and it requires higher education than any other form of doctorate.
Just don't tell MDs that or they'll whine and cry.
How people keep falling for snake oils is beyond me.
A chiropractor is one of the primary reasons I never got to meet my biological grandmother.
My grandmother went to a chiropractor in the 90s. This chiropractor sold herbal supplements, and convinced my grandmother she could take the supplements instead of her blood pressure medication. She died from a stroke while my mother was pregnant with me.
Not all chiropractors are this scummy, of course, but when I went to one in high school and they tried to sell me supplements, my mother gave them quite a speech.
You still went to one in high school after what happened to your grandmother? Sorry but your not too bright
@@SixOhFive We were desperate. I was a Sophomore in high school and I was in a lot of pain. A family friend recommended my chiropractor, so we hoped it would help. It didn't!
@@AuntieNoodles94Probably should take that family friend with a bathtub of salt on any advice they give if you aren't already.
@@jamesmccomb9525 Yeah... I think I've spoken to them about five times since then, which was like fifteen years ago. Hopefully they quit seeing that con artist chiropractor too.
Damn that’s horrible! Really sorry to hear that.
I automatically thought of Arleen Scholten. She broke the neck of John Lawler. He told her “you’re hurting me. I can’t feel my arms.” And once he became unresponsive, she sat him up to give “mouth to mouth”, failed to inform emergency personnel about what happened (she out right lied to them) and left. If she hadn’t moved him around and properly described what happened, he would have survived.
These people are not medical professionals, are ill-equipped to handle emergency situations and can often be the cause of said emergencies.
Arleen Scholten is still performing chiropractic adjustments to this day. No charges against her.
@@FrostekFerenczy Are you kidding me?
I just got her social/"professional" profile page from various social media images when googling her, just the seventh result was a news story covering the death of Jon Lawler.
I can't tell if that's even more worrying than her not having received any charges.
For those wondering, "Free-carry-working-chiropractor-broke-patients-neck" is an article from the Daily Mail about it that had a similar wording as OP's comment.
(That said, Daily Mail isn't exactly trustworthy, so from glancing over this article I can't tell if the actual evidence of Lawler making these statements is too sound.)
I have a birth injury that affects the nerve pathways through the C3 and C4 vertibrae. It left me with limited motion in my right arm, sensitivity in my ear, and on-and-off nerve pain in my shoulder and neck. I've been working with a physical therapist that I really love for a while and she has helped make things SO much more bearable. Chiropractors are such a scam. Find a good physical therapist and stick with them. It's given me ACTUAL results that haven't destroyed my spine.
I’ve had a chiropractor fix my back up with no problems when it was in pain one time. They were very professional though and only did two adjustments in the same spot and it was all I needed. They didn’t tell me I should go back in and I didn’t need to. That being said I am terrified of chiropractics
I'm a physical therapist, thanks for this video Hunter, a lot of patients i treat are recommended by friends to look for alternative methods that can be dangerous for their health.
If you have/ know someone who have aches: chiropraxy IS NOT physical therapy!!!!
Seek a doctor and a therapist to diagnose and properly help you! Don't look for "easy methods" to ease the pain, as they can be really dangerous for your health if not administrated carefully!
Yeah but it’s also a case by case thing. My back sometimes feels like my knuckles when I need to crack them. But I can’t really do that to my spine. A chiropractor is helpful in that sense but I understand it’s not therapy. Plus whenever I bring my back issues up at the doctor they say nothing is wrong even after X-rays which means I have no method of relief so that chiro doesn’t seem all that bad to me
i had a rolfer (rolfing is a deep tissue massage that is very intense) help me greatly with my lower back and there were zero jerky movements. There is nothing that jerking someones head around will help with that can't be done in a way thats dramatically less unsafe. There are news stories of people ending up disabled because of work like that.
I read that as ROFLing and was like, yeah rolling on the floor laughing does make you feel better sometimes
Rolfing is nuts, I had one grab my IT band UNDER my abs. YEEESH. It worked tho.
As a previous massage therapist I’m biased but massage techniques, especially deep tissue targeting stuff like Rolfing and sports stretching, have so many proven benefits because muscles can actually be worked and manipulated. I will get a million massages before I step foot in a chiropractors office. Also, I’ve got osteoporosis like an old woman so a chiro would snap me in half.
My mother had a slipped disc back in the 90s and she went to a chiropractor and ended up with a shattered vertebrae and needed surgery to fix it.
I was disgusted learning about chiropractic methods. Then I learned they do it to children and I was overflowing with horrified rage.
"Dr. Arnold, you are no longer allowed to torture babies... for the first 2 months."
my dad had been going to a chiropractor for years for back pain, turns out there was a tumor in his spine and he had severe scoliosis or spine curvature. which they never even mentioned to him. “don’t go see a real doctor we care about your business not your health”.
My father in law is a chiropractor. My wife loves going but also suffers from chronic back pain. I’ve tried telling her to maybe take a break and lift weights with me, but she insists on “fixing her pain” before working out
She'll never fix it without physio, she'll just keep getting temporary relief and go back when it wears off.
Don't marry people that believe in pseudoscience. You will have to care for her crippled ass for the rest of her life.
A chiropractor ruined my neck. He spun my head so far that my vision went black and I’ve been miserable for the last 15 years.
Omg I'm so sorry for what you went through that sounds so messed up tf! Did your vision come back or....
@@astralorygd Yes within about 10 seconds but my neck hurts every day to the point that I'm ruining my kidneys by taking pills for it.
I know a guy whose entire family is primarily chiropractors, all of whom are ultra religious, and most are also in MLMs.
Just gonna leave that here.
What are MLMs?
@@HeneggsbossCultish Pyramid Schemes, basically
Fits perfectly I‘d say
As a religious person I would nope right out of that shit😆😆😆
@Heneggsboss the acronym means Multi Level Marketing. So yeah as someone else mentioned above, basically pyramid schemes.
I recently got diagnosed with sciatica and like 4 different people have recommended chiropractors instead of my REFERRAL to an ACTUAL doctor. Its like a cult the people swear their life by it and watching this video only made my stance stronger against not going, thanks papa m.
It’s because of the temp pain relief. Like Hunter said, the release of Endorphins can make the pain go away for a bit. Add in a little bit of placebo effect and then you have people believing this is an actual option for back pain. Meanwhile they’ll be going to a chiropractor for the rest of their life while a PT would help them never have to come back.
Man when I got sciatica from work, they referred me to this magical PT who put bags of hot sand on my ass…….it was so awesome
Had sciatica for 8+ years post car accident. For ME, solving my own left oblique activation/strength issues basically completely eliminated my left side sciatica. Had to rebalance many other systems (glutes/quads/etc) but this was a big piece of it Maybe my message can help you on your own journey! Best of luck. I researched a great deal (years) about muscle imbalances and how they can impact pain/tension etc. Was extremely educational and helpful.
The reality is that chiropractors are about as reliable as MDs. There are crackpots, goofballs, and pompous aholes just there for the $ and then there's the rare few who are actually intelligent, well educated, and that care about their patients.
I used a chiropractor for a floating/dislocated rib after a sports injury. MD wanted to cut me open and install a metal mesh and all kinds of crap. Chiropractor said "he's crazy and that's too expensive and invasive for a very simple fix". He just eased it back into place and told me it would pop out again and need reset repeatedly until it healed, showed my wife what to do, and today I'm back in good shape with no scars or mesh in my back.
That said, I 100% believe the horror stories. Just like I believe the current horror story of my dad who I had to take to the ER a couple weeks ago because his "heart specialist" with a PHD put him on a beta blocker after dad told him he had bad reactions to them and his heart would slow and nearly stop. The doctor literally said "you need to let me be the professional here, I'm trying to help you". Dad's heart rate dropped to 34bpm -and maybe lower- two nights later, he passed out in the recliner and Mom couldn't wake him. Point is that a large portion of what you find in so called professionals is just a bunch of igmos who paid for education.
I still remember the day when my chiropractor broke my brothers spine. He looked at me and literally said without remorse, “he looks like he can control fire.”
Phenomenal do you need water ????
I beg your finest pardon?? Good lord I’m so sorry your brother had to go through that
Excuse me, WHAT
Only alpha gamers will get this reference
i hope this reference never ends 😂
It’s really disturbing to see those poor dogs faces, full of fear while that guy has them in a headlock.
The quote from the doctor calling Palmer a fraud is applicable, to this day, for a plethora of alternative "medicine" practices that many people still fall prey to. Insanity.
I went to a chiropracter once when I was in Turkey with my family (I was 15). I suffer from a number of chronic foot-issues and was supposed to be in surgery a month after the vacation.
While we were there my father often went to get massages and one time he suddenly told me to come with him. I did and he brought me to the chiro's (I didn't know that he was a chiro) room but did NOT tell me why or who he is.
Suddenly the guy walks up behind me (I was sitting) and TURNS MY HEAD, CRACKING MY NECK I immediately started crying from pain and they just laughed/belittled me and then this STRANGER told me to lie down. I was confused and scared so I did (I wore a bikini) and he just started to twist and spread my legs in painful and just WEIRD ways and I just began crying more.
End of the story: I was limping and crying, walking directly into my mom's room and she yelled at my dad. He doesn't get why I don't trust him or chiro's.
(Btw I'm 18 now and had the surgery, I'm still recovering but the pain's gone - we love modern (PROVEN) medicine ❤)
This is definitely a true story from a real women that watches papa and comments as well
I can't imagine the levels of weirdness and "obliviousness" to just ask a 15 year old girl in a bikini who you've never met to lie down as she's crying from physical pain you caused her as you spread her legs, her deliberately not knowing who or what you even are.
Especially with so many of chiropractors being nothing less than perverts, so many times no permission is given before they touch people's asses, assuming conplete control over a body as if that's not a very private area that you need to address before grabbing, and the videos they film usually love to exploit women's bodies for the camera.
@@StoneCorazonMY OPINION MINE MINE MINR!!!
Glad you're ok and didn't suffer permanent damage.
Real chiro would ask u to breathe out completely and relax yourself whenever they are about to do a movement
Its a legit medical study here in asia
Loved that Not-an-Actual-Doctor Wellers made an appearance for the ad spot
One of my dad’s friend had a stroke because of a chiropractor… never ever gonna go to one
As a general surgeon I will tell you chiropractors have become too comfortable with lying to people about "fixing" their aches. There was an investigation on how much chiropractors make vs how effective their methods are. Only 14% of people have admitted that they have been going to a chiropractor weekly and show signs that they feel improved. The other 86% were either unsure or that they feel like their problem didn't go away. Most of the people surveyed were only going in for adjustments due to occupational aches and pains. Out of the 1000 people surveyed, 600 people had back pain and 300 had Carple tunnel and 100 had trouble with arthritis causing difficulty to bend their joints.
The report states that even though all the patients did not see the same chiropractor, they all report that the chiropractors all attempted to sell some sort of pill or ointment that would "ease their pain".
So now for the results
45% of people that went to the chiropractor had spent over 10k in chiropractors. With only 14% of people stating they felt their problem was fixed it why waste your money? Also every single person were told to keep coming back in order to do adjustments to help.
They are cons. I understand that surgery is expensive and people want to go to chiropractors because they are cheaper but they will not fix anything. They can massage a sore muscle but they will never be able to fix anything.
Never seen a surgeon throw random numbers out before
I get so much heat for calling chiropractors a pseudo-science 😢
Take it, the truth shouldn't be a matter of shame but when people make it into one tell the truth anyway. The way pseudosciences persist is lack of pushback and scrutiny. People don't believe them bevause of the strength of arguments are actual empirical evidence, they believe so because they've accepted it automatically, hear everyone believing it and fall deeper. Be the dissenting voice.
It’s basis formed from a quack magnetic healer. You’re right to call it pseudo science.
It's like scientology, they keep all the creepy woo woo behind the curtain.
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@@ShadowRulah , David Miscavige has entered the chat…..lol 😂
Love you papa meat for posting this!!! I work as an Athletic Trainer (ATC) and I can’t tell you how many times I’ve ran into chiros who act like they’re higher than physicians or surgeons and end up doing more damage than good. Love you papa meat keep making great content ❤
Amen bro. Chiros think they’re geniuses instead of modern quacks. Insane.
0:21 I've been working out like a lunatic for almost a decade to try and get a back like this. hunter could get a god bod in 3 months with his genetics. kill me
My mother is an OT and met a woman who became paralyzed after a session with a chiropractor
Veteran Affairs recommended I go to a chiropractor for my neck since I had some severe pain and stiff neck issues. It took about 2 months to get appointment and when I did I met the chiropractor and the way he worded things was so weird and creepy. He kept referring everything he does as "treatment" like him putting on the rubber gloves was treatment and shit. Weirded me out, but then finally he did my neck and I didn't feel a change at all. My second session he did the "treatment" and it made one side of my neck good but the other side I was in extreme pain. When the 3rd session came I told him I think I am healed now and he said he'll do treatment on any part of my body if I wanted and recommended to schedule more sessions. I told him I was good and left. My neck was so destroyed after that session and if I hadn't looked up a documentary on the history of chiropractors I would have thought those techniques were good on me.
Videos like this believe it or not could save someones life and I think its criminal thst doctors recommend a practice that isn't even medically verifiable for people with minor aches and pains.
Yeah, that's because they know it's 100% placebo.
If you're dealing with a dumbass (lol look at the comments here, there are so many) then the treatment is all in the mind of the person, so them saying everything is part of the treatment is true. That's literally true. The when treatment is the same as talking.
These are the same people who got 'drunk' off alcohol free beer as a teen.
Mine is a good chiro story, I had one that I went to only once. He asked me what was wrong, felt around my spine, and popped my back in a couple places. He then handed me EXERCISES to do to maintain my posture since muscles were moved from popping bones back into place. I'm very satisfied, as he not only helped me with a short term fix, but gave me the long term solution so I wouldn't need a second appointment.
6:12 "people are being able to take , what there calling pictures i dont know its insane"😂😂😂
I’m a chiro, bones don’t go “out of place”, we aren’t as specific as we think we are, our style of adjusting does not matter. All we know that there is a short term neurophysiological relief in pain following an adjustment and that’s it. There’s a lot of non backed treatment thrown around. Posture has a poor correlation to pain, manual therapies are mostly placebo (some people respond really well). There’s no significant evidence to support adjusting infants and kids. Manipulation does not restore a curvature. If someone tries to sell you a package run. If they don’t do any rehab or at least send you somewhere run. There are lots of bad apples in all professions. Go to a chiro that doesn’t practice like a traditional chiro. A lot of new age chiros are becoming more like physios.
Woah. Respect for honesty!
What? Of course bones go out of place, that’s literally what a dislocation is… I have a genetic condition that causes frequent dislocations (in my body of course, not my spine) and that’s the only thing I go to chiropractors for.
But yeah I agree with the rest. the chiros I see work with physical therapists in the same practice, give PT exercises, and fixing my dislocations is always a 1 visit thing none of that ‘come back every week’ nonsense.
This. Great post. I get referrals from chiros and PTs alike. My work improves brain/body communication to improve activation of muscular systems via nervous system, which can help people hold alignment changes, and also consistently improves PT results as well. There are indeed extremely open minded new age chiros that do not adjust violently and are much more like physios, and also new age PT's that are focused on the nervous system connection and more than just giving people exercises that may or may not create the desired activation of the weaker system that is being targeted.
I got major whiplash in my neck from a chiro when I was in high school. Some of the worst pain I have ever felt, my neck swelled up all huge and red
To help with communication, a person licensed to practice medicine needs a "Doctor of Medicine" degree and is granted the title "Physician" when they receive a state license to practice medicine. "Physician" is the most correct word, and few people use it. Otherwise, medical doctors, doctors of physical therapy, doctors of dental surgery, doctors of psychology, doctors of philosophy, and chiropractors (doctors of chiropractic?) are all equally "Doctors", a title granted to them by their university/college degree granting program.
Physicians are the only doctors who practice medicine, and are the first ones you should see if you have abnormal signs and symptoms. Edit: Turns out I'm absolutely wrong, and most states let chiropractors call themselves all sorts of names that are misleading to the public.
Edit: The bottom line here, is if somebody calls themselves a doctor, ask "of what?", and know what you're getting in to. Chiropractors don't diagnose or treat anything, and are more similar to massage therapists than Medical Doctors.
Edit: Doctors of Osteopathy can get a license to practice medicine and are granted the title "Physician" as well after receiving state medical licensure. (thanks greeneggsandspanks!) A DO may even be your surgeon for an orthopedic or spinal procedure.
In some states the term physician is actually not entirely protected and chiropractors can use it (Oregon for example). Also DOs are physicians and have the same scope as MDs but have a doctorate of osteopathic medicine.
@@greeneggsandspanks9352 That's insane that the title "physician" is not protected in some states. :oO It turns out I'm in one of only NINE states where the title "physician" is protected.
My family has been going to a chiropractor for a while. They all told me how good it was for me and how it would give me healthy changes for the better. I always thought it was weird that I never felt any different after going to the chiropractor, minus having mild neck pain sometimes. The chiropractors talked like professionals in the human body and since I'm still a kid I don't have the most complete understanding of biology so it sounded reasonable to me. I never heard anything bad regarding them, so I just assumed they were professionals. I never stopped to think "Hey, it doesn't make much sense that putting pressure on your back somehow fixes your nervous system. How would your spinal cord being slightly off affect nerve communications?" Looking back on it after some research it's hard to believe that I thought it was sound science. Definitely gonna have a talk with my parents after seeing this.
that 14 day old baby thing is INSANE
I had a back surgery when I was 21. Afterwards, I went to physical therapy to work on my strength so I could protect my back in the future. At the same time, my mom started going to a chiropractor. She had used chiropractors before and had good experiences. I went in with her, and instead of convincing her they are good at their job as chiropractors, they fed into her fear that I would get hurt again unless I got adjusted weekly. At this time, I was getting a degree in marketing and I realized, they were good at their jobs… as salespeople. They used fear tactics and the pain point of my mom’s to convince her to get adjusted weekly, and have extra services for $50 additional a month. She does not go to that chiropractor anymore after many conversations about the predatory tactics and bad experiences in their office. I don’t care if someone wants to go feel better at a chiropractor but the way they tried to scare my mom (and me but I was visibly not into it at the sales pitch) pissed me off and I can’t in good conscience ever think this is a good service.
There was a famous body builder that only went to chiropractor. He can hardly walk now after years of body building and back aches that never went away despite going to chiropractors
Is that Ronnie Coleman? He also seriously believed "no pain, no gain" and set personal bests while lifting with a slipped disk or something. No doctor could have kept him from destroying his body. Absolute madlad.
@ScotRotum if he's talking about Ronnie Coleman too, he had a rod inserted into his spine that made tremendous pain after.
@@luescomez7464 that may be so, but my point is Ronnie did it all to himself by training way past safe human limits. More juice in his veins than a pharmacy has on shelves and also training through crippling injuries are what ruined his back past the point of repair. Don't think he even regrets it either because he's the GOAT. Personally I wouldn't make that trade. That's why he's Ronnie and I couldn't be.
If he'd listened to an MD he'd still be able to walk. May or may not have got so big.
It's funny I've been getting a lot of Chiropractic TH-cam shorts shoved into my feed and then this pops almost instantly into my feed
Same 😂