Danzo Was The TRUE Leader of the Hidden Rain?!?
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1:47 As a Danzo Hater, I’ll say this. Danzo always did what he thought was best for *HIS* idea of what Konoha should be. He had a specific idea of what Konoha should be, and wanted to change the world so Konoha would have no choice but to be that. It was never Konoha he cared for, but his ideal Konoha.
In other words, Danzo is delulu
....he still a poopy head
I agree 100%. Danzo is my least favorite character (because of who he is as a person, not because he’s written poorly) but i also hold some respect for him because while his moral compass was fucked all the way up, he did truly believe that everything he accomplished was in the best interest of his people, and thats gotta count for something
Nah he did care for konaha but he thought his version of konoha was what was best for konaha if he only cared for his version of konoha he wouldn't of killed himself to try to take down obito and Sasuke
@@louiebeni5189this I agree well said
If Danzō did kill Kagami... then technically, Sasuke did avenge his Uchiha Clan.
He did that regardless
Still no sasuke never killed any one. They died from suicide or illness
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@@jkfortyseven wym
@@shmirie666 Sasuke killed (off panel) a bunch of samurai while hunting Danzo. He also either killed or ordered the killing of a cloud ninja that was tracking them (J was his name I think), the guy who had the lizard. Also, he killed the lizard.
At this point you could tell me that Danzo was behind the KAGUYA REVIVAL and I would believe you. He's that messed up 😂
Danzo probably somehow instigated Indra and Ashura’s battle 🤣😅
And over the years, Hiruzen never even suspected Danzō until after the 9 Tails attack.
Im confused was kakashi and tenzo in the foundation base after the 9 tails attack?
@@Moon_MenaceKakashi was under Minato's Anbu efore the 9 Tails attack. And yes. Tenzo was in Danzō's foundation before the 9 Tails' Attack.
@@SpammytheHedgehog OK so when danzo was going to attack, both kakashi, and Tenzo and then hiruzen stopped him was after the nine tails then
Im probably one of the few who'd like to think Kagami willing gave Danzo one of his eyes before he passed away as, if I'm not mistaken, Kagami was Danzo's only other friend other than Hiruzen. Reflecting how Shisui gave his last eye to Itachi. Adds a tragic irony given how Danzo decides to use his eye to take his grandson's eye. But in my mind, Danzo and Kagami went on a mission that went south and as a result, Danzo go injured trying to protect Kagami, losing his right eye. Things weren't going much better and Kagami wound up sacrificing himself so Danzo could complete there mission, but not before giving Danzo his right Sharingan to repay him for saving his life. If I look at it from this lense, it further cements Danzo's mantra of Self-Sacrifice. Three people showed more conviction than he ever could for the village. Hiruzen stepped up and offered to make a diversion against the Kumo ANBU, Tobirama took Hiruzen's place, and in my own headcanon, Kagami did the exact same. That makes two of his best friends and his mentor were willing to lay there lives on the line for their nation and the mission. So for me, i prefer this as it gives more context to Danzo as a person.
Actually that brings an interesting question:
Would Danzo be able to implant Shisui's eye(s) into Kagami's eye(s) would he be able to get EMS? Since those eyes are related etc. As well as me.
While this theory makes total sense and would add even more depth to his already sinister character, it's also possible that the bandage over Danzos eye was either a simple oversight on Kishimotos part or his eye was inexplicably damaged during any of the great Shinobi world wars. Either way, it still doesn't account for Hanzo's out of character change of heart.
I just want to add another layer to the genjutsu theory.
You said Hanzo went from being the most powerful to grasping for any power he could get.. Who do we know that has that same mindset? That's right! Danzo. I believe that just like most genjutsu users, he implanted his will into Hanzo as a sort of retaliation for the leaf taking him "lightly".
Maybe in some way, by ruling the Rain through Hanzo, it felt like a test run for leading the Leaf, but it was not the real thing after all, which leads him to reenact this at a more opportune time at the 5 Kage summit, only to fail.. Again.
I like this.
Imagine if Kagami spoke up before Hiruzen and was given the title 3rd Hokage.
I said this a few videos ago, I think it would have changed thing a lot. It would have been cool if more Uchihas were a part of the story.
Tobirama was always going to give the title to Hiruzen. The only reason that he asked for a sacrifice was because he wanted the others to know that Hiruzen would be a good leader.
u made this comment before the video was made
"Ok make sure to use the smoke bombs we gave you and also destroy your eyes when you're on the verge of dying"
Tobirama knew that Hiruzen would end up being the one to speak up before the others. He already knew what his team was like.
“LOOk LOOk, look what Danzo did”🤣🤣🤣 I love this man’s videos
Danzo killing Kagami and stealing his Kotoamatsukami has always been my head canon, but I never connected it to Hanzo. Instead I was focused on him using it on Hiruzen and Orochimaru. What do you guys think, if Danzo has Kotoamatsukami then who do you think he used it on?
This has been addressed on this channel before. Nick's answer being that as we see at the Kage summit, a Byakugan can easily identify someone who is under Kotoamatsukami, which essentially makes it useless (or at the very least very risky) for Danzo to use on Hiruzen or anyone else in the Leaf, it's just way too likely that a Hyuga Clan member would notice at some point.
Honestly, this is a great theory. Sometimes I feel like if kishimoto had nick by his side Naruto would another 500 chapters, but it would also be a beautiful & completed manga.
Danzō is the Palpatine of Naruto.
Still gotta give Hanzo respect for protecting his nation from 3 other nations. Even though him and Danzo accidentally created the Akatsuki.
Donzo was the real bad guy. He honestly had all the tools to be the most op character in the show. They did him dirty killing him that easily
Danzo: *breathes*
This world is so messed up.
You truely live up to your name. All I see is your comments
I bet Danzō was using Kagami's Sharingan when he attacked Shisui.
Danzo's is the worst villain ever in Naruto. So what happens next❗❓🤔
Because shisui was slow in reacting to danzo's attack??
Has was already poisoned and slightly paralyzed so his reaction time was not too great
Danzo uses izanagi to survive
Dygokight got you nick you can't escape kagami, none can
Wym?
Dygo hasn't made a kagami vid?
Speaking of dygoknight tho him and nick always upload around the same time
@@J07_levi omg I'm not the only one who noticed? It's so weird
@@ThePrince1835 fr very strange
It’s so good to see the progress man I remember when you were first moving into this spot and shot the first few videos there it’s nice to see the progression of your surroundings as well as your overall success
i was skeptical of this theory because i wondered why would danzo need shisui if he already had a kotoakatsukami like mangekyou, till i looked into it and realized the hanzo incident and the uchiha massacre are only 9 years apart.
Meaning he actually did need shisui because he literally could not do it himself.
Another option could be that he used it so often he went blind and that he needed a new one to keep using it.
I knida like that Danzo does basically fit right in with some of the other major villains in Naruto, in that ultimately his villain motivation is to achieve world peace in order to protect Konoha. It's just that his version of world piece is to do so through Hegemony, specifically a hegemony of Konoha over the rest of the world. After all, if Konoha has overwhelming power, that means it is safe from all threats. And naturally such a hegemony would need him at the top, because he's the only one with the guts to pull it off. In a way it is basically a philosophy of "The Strong Protect the Weak", taken to a logical extreme and corrupted by a lifetime of war.
Every time I think I know something about Naruto Nick brings out another theory that just scrambles my brain😂
Something that I’ve always wondered about is why Hiruzen didn’t assign Yamato as Naruto’s Jonin Sensei. I mean, Yamato can use Wood Release, which is the only surefire way to subdue a Tailed-Beast. And Kakashi never wanted a team and likely wouldn’t have accepted them anyway.
Overall, Yamato is much more responsible too. And he’s thirsting for some recognition. I still think he’d have been the more logical choice
He was placed with the two remaining sharingan users, with one of those two previously having the job of looking after Minatos family. It makes sense.
The fact that nagato kept tabs on jiraiyas kills and turned them into 5 other Pains is actually mind blowing
Keep up the great work and videos Nick
This theory might be one of my all-time favorites now, thanks for this.
Sorry this is unrelated but I've been wondering: Could the 'chakra disease' be a result of going along with a life that's not meant for you? It's a theory more on the spirutual side of chakra, but Kimimaru was a child who never fully developed his own personality, Itachi was a loving pacifist who constantly had to make plans revolving around murder and damage control, and Hashirama wanted to take on all the Uchiha's hate but when Madara left his life he couldn't truly quell the hatred. It's not the most solid, but I like it 🤷♀️
than this should be a widely known problem.
@@trueSconox How so?
Edit: Genuinely curious, I love theories/headcanons and holes in them is part of the territory
@@nathanking2098 How many people in Naruto can live the way they want to?
@@trueSconox Fair enough, but I think a life meant for you and a life you want are pretty different things. Sasuke never comes out on top but he succesfully became an avenger, he didn't get what he was wanting but he was meant to be an avenger so it worked out. Doesn't exactly matter what the person wants, moreso how someone like them could fit into the world
Nice theory I always love these ideas thx so much for keeping the good work up nick
When Hanzo fought the sannin they were not at their peak, it's straight up stated in part one that Tsunade's Byakugo seal was new since Orochiramu said "looks like i wasn't the only one to gain new jutsu" and Orochiramu was shown to find the snake cave after leaving Konoha, so 2 of the sannins are stated to not be peak while we don't know in canon when did Jiraiya got to the toad realm, if they're supposed to be relative, he shouldn't be a sage yet and even if he was, he can't use it without Ma and Pa and he didn't have them on the flashback.
To be honest hanzo being under kotoamatsukame (if i spelt it wrong it wouldnt surprise me i can never remember the spelling) would have made way more sense he seemed like a reasonable person who would try to talk with the enemyat least once if they did something against him and yet apparently him seeing 3 bodies was enough for him to turn against a group that focuses on the hidden rain and has not fought against him before? That makes no sense
If Kagami had Kotoamatsukami, it would also explain how some people supposedly knew that it required a 10 year cooldown.
And it's possible because even Sasuke and Itachi BOTH have Amaterasu, so other Uchihas can also have similar or even sometimes the exact same Mangekyou abilities. It wouldn't surprise me if one or more Uchiha at some point in time also had Kamui.
Kagami is 100% stated to have Kotoamatsukami
Additionally MS ability inheritance would explain how Madara knows of amaterasu despite dying before Sasuke and Itachi awakened their MS
Something I brought up in one of these previous videos, was the question of where Danzo saw Susano previously. Out of the powerful Uchiha we know of in Danzo's lifetime, he couldn't have seen Madara's as Madara said everyone who saw it was killed. It couldn't have been Itachi's because he didn't have it at the time. But when Danzo/Sasuke fought, Danzo said it had been a long time since he saw a Susano. This means there were some powerful Uchiha between Madara and Itachi's eras, and so some of them may have had Kotamatsukami.
If that's the case then sasuke dad would have a purer amaterasu example a a burning flame that never goes out and drains chakra from the target to amplify the flames.
And if sarada awakenes hers her flames would heal/burn the target
@@darkmond8680 That's not how it works.
What you're talking about is a jutsu somehow mutating into a completely different jutsu altogether down the line. I don't even know how you got THAT from what I said.
All I said was that some Uchiha throughout history may have had the same abilities as other Uchihas. After all, the Uchiha Clan is huge. Eventually, some Uchiha would have unlocked the same abilities as others.
I was also wondering if Danzo had something to do with Kagami's early death as well.
Next video we'll discuss what if kagami got the hokage and danzo launched a coup
You really should have been Kishimeto editor man 👏🏻 your theories are amazing
This is one of the times that i definitely go with the theory. It fits Danzo's MO perfectly
The point where he debunks his whole video, and then recovers it and just makes it better than originally laid out is wild and I loved it!
I love this theory. It answers my question that just randomly popped up in my head and has been bugging me since and it closes one of the biggest gaps in character logic.
@NChammer23 feels like if @GothamChess preferred anime to chess back in middle school
@@triloknair6459 I would definitely watch that
DANZO's motivation is for KONOHA to be the only absolute power in the shinobi world... by any means necessary
Imagine if Danzō' revealed to Shisui about what he did to Kagami.
Everything danzo did as he speak to protect konoha
Turn to be the main reason to why konoha most of the time destroy
Little does he know, it was Kagami who put Danzo in a genjustu this whole time to turn Danzo into a villain. For what reason, we will never know.
Danzo going out of his way to the rain village and start that mess never sat well with me. They literally made Danzo simply the one to blame for everything so guys like Itachi, Obito and Nagato who were clearly wrong are not blamed by the fanbase. Nagato was the red haired orphan wielder of god's eyes as the Sage of Six paths being a myth already as per Jiraiya, how come he wasn't targeted by every single village ever during a warring state? Hanzo should've kidnapped him to use him as a weapon so his parallel with Naruto fit even more.
Danzo only cares about himself. Gain power and control.
Play like standing back looking at it with a fully one of the more straightforward and logical theories that I've heard. Like it makes total sense. I'd always thought it was weird how Hanzo suddenly turned evil not evil birsay you know what I mean but just changed
if were honest everyone would act most likely like danzo and do anything to protect something precious for him
Rumor has it that Danzō also plotted Hiruzen's death in Part 1.
Pretty sure he has plotted Hiruzen more times than that hahahaha
He was the best guy around…. WHAT MURDAAAA??
Not really a rumor. When it's fact. Just look up kanoe hanzo root mission on hiruzen
Hanzo was a really underrated character. He was powerful enough to go blow for blow with the worlds toughest Shinobi, protect his land, AND he has mercy to those that deserve it.
Those are all traits of a good ruler, and he may have had some red marks on his time as leader of the Hidden Rain, but his village was basically the battlefield for World War 2 in NarutoVerse. There's not much you can do to protect ALL of your people when the worlds superpowers are using your home as their battlefield.
But Kishimoto definitely had a cop out to write out Hanzo, someone that could defeat the Legendary Sanin by himself, would DEFINITELY be a powerful antagonist in the show. So instead of half heartedly writing a Hanzo arc, he simply wrote him off with Nagato killing him. As someone with the Six Paths of Pain and the Rinnegan is arguably one of the few people who could have believable killed Hanzo.
Oh, cool, you and Dorothy didn't break up. I'm glad to hear that
Imagine if Danzō found and trained Nagato instead of Jiraiya. 😱
He wouldn’t train him, he’d steal his rinnegan probably. No way he’d trust somebody with all that power
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That would be badass to be honest. Imagine Danzo with Rinnegan and Shisui's Sharingan Eye.
He'd clap Itachi in a fight.
nick, im telling you, you can get such good content from Vinland Saga. one of the most slept on animes. Worth you time. if you get around to it. let me know if you enjoy it. Day one fan man, keep up the great content as always.
Been wondering what happened to those statues! I like this theory more than the plot device. Makes too much sense from Danzō
I was always a little confused but just kinda took it at face value, because im more of a writer now than a theorist. The theory makes a lot of sense, and the weakening of his mind due to being in genjutsu could theoretically lesson his Chakra. Danzo could have then wanted... other guy- shisui... I remembered as I was writing... anyway, Danzo could have wanted a replacement for his eye due to it going dark, or because he didn't necessarily want his puppets to be weak. You don't want a weak gun just because someone could take it out of your hands, you want a strong one so it can be useful.
Dude as soon as you posed the theory About 2 mins into the video I was asking myself how would Danzo have Shisui's Kotoamatsukami during the 2nd Great ninja war when based on the given timelines of the 2nd war and the Uchiha massacre is at least a 20 year gap if the data is correct (you know lore online can be iffy) there's no way it could be his but maybe his grandfather considering he had the bandage on during the 2nd Great ninja war. and seeing you realize the error in real time had me dying 😂 I love how candid you are with your channel most TH-cam content creators would have just went with it and made a separate video saying they were wrong, you're the most honorable TH-cam content creator out there ✊💯
You know I wouldn’t be shocked if danzo did kill kagami. danzo is just pure evil.
So many good points. Had me wondering when the What If Yahiko Didn't Die?-video gonna come out?
Best naruto talker!❤
I go with your theory all the way. Makes too much sense.
Frankly, the head cannon here is heavy, but the logic and entertainment is HEAVY! Very, very well done and all within lore
Danzō became very weary of the Sharingan after Kagami saved him many times.
Do you ever wonder why danzo wasn't brought back in the war and what do you think would happen if kabuto did bring him back. Not like his dna was hard to find or that he was weak... please read this and make a video. I love your what ifs and this has been on my mind for a long time
That's the thing that made in the majority of the good villains good was that all of them were relatable
You can take the kids but you'll never get my dogs or anime statues.
In the first 3 minutes and from the title, I already knew what the whole video would be about. I know Nick so well.
Fantastic theory! Very well thought out. I'm convinced
I truly believe this theory and honestly I feel ever since Hiruzen spoke up and became the Hokage,
Danzo has always been obsessed with power and constantly been jealous of Hiruzen because he became Hokage on the fact that he spoke up before him although he was relieved that he didnt
Tbf Danzo apparently did so much background shit in Konoha that I’m surprised the village works without him
Definitely the theory. It makes more sense and sounds cooler
Danzo came from a time when many villages survived from from playing dirty as that was just the rules. As times changed he didn't.
Kishimoto treats timelines like how Oda treats sizes. Fast and loose to make stuff look impressive and then everything falls apart when you put it to some scrutiny
Awesome theory, I love this channel. Hope the move goes smoothly. 😊
Theory: Danzo used Kotoamatsukami on Hiruzen so that he would allow Itachi to massacre the Uchihas,
It bugs me that this also explains why Hiruzen kept Danzo or around. Danzo was doing bad stuff constantly. And if Danzo has Kagami's powers then he gets away with ALL the wild crap he does...
This is why the 3rd Hokage is one of the worst to me he couldn't control Danzo and he couldn't control Orochimaru
Writing exactly that in a ff ^^ nice to know I'm not alone with this :)
In my hc Kagamis left eye pulls you into a genjutsu that's similar to Infinite Tsukuyomi. IF you can break out of it it leaves you physically and mentally crippled. IF Kagami uses his right eye you're trapped in a nightmare you'll never return from. Breaking the genjutsu of the right eye kills definitely.
Kagami awakened his MS out of the desire to create Tobiramas perfect world for him. He wanted to punish those that opposed him. And lead those that struggled to peace.
hi Nick, i have been watching your videos on this channel and you weeb commender channel recently and was actually supposed to ask you to have a video about KAGAMI UCHIHA... thanks for this... more power to you
Love the rock music in the intro!!!
I almost had a stroke up until about 15 min in. Also nice theory, fairly unlikely, but still cool AF.
Bros talking like he’s doflamingo at the beginning lmao
I like this theory a lot. It actually makes a lot of sense.
I like the theory. My avatar was said to be one of the strongest ninja ever and like you said… got completely dominated by one genjutsu.
One of your best theories fr !
2:00 Well he didn't know that he would end up forming Akatsuki. And honestly there would have been no Akatsuki if Nagato didn't have Rinnegan.
Crazy how you switched it up 😂😂
Welp. This is definitely my head canon now. This answer is so satisfying.
Was young Tsunade, Jirayi and Orochimaru truly a real challenge for Hanzo? Was the title legendary sannin premature
Want to know how evil is the village hidden in the leaves ask danzo
Plot twist: Kagami and Danzo had an Obito-Kakashi moment at the end of the war. Danzo talks about Kagami highly and even talks about how he saved him many times. Perhaps Kagami even knew of how his clan wasn’t entirely happy with Tobirama’s decisions. We know kagami was friends with third and Danzo, even aligned with Tobirama so I think his loyalty is probably more to the leaf rather than his clan.
Something we know about Danzo was that he desired to protect Konoha at all costs. Madara and Hashirama clearly respect the Shimura clan and danzo’s father and grandfather died in battle (I’m pretty sure danzo’s age would imply his father died during the village days but don’t quote me on that). Since we don’t see many of his clan it stands to reason that they and Danzo believed that protection of the village was more important than they were.
Or maybe I’m making Danzo out to be too nice lol
A danzo light novel would probably go really hard
Nick I have a great video Idea! I thought of it when you said Hanzo was probably the strongest on earth at one time. But basically a video on every time there was a new “strongest on earth” title. Starting chronologically from kaguya making your way to Naruto. I think it would be interesting to see who was the GOAT for the longest and shortest as well as seeing how the power ceiling changes
13 mins into this vid, dude has a Deku rant moment 😂😂😂
Danzo was probably one of the smartest people in the show but just acted too fast and furious but had he actually talked with the hokage about things and not acted out of anger and emotions
Another move?!? I swore we just got settled into this new house.
3:20 - Mifune fought Hanzo to a stalemate, twice. Once when Hanzo had infinite stamina and chakra.
Danzo didn't've Kotoamatsukami until *after* the Uchiha massacre. Long after the 3rd Great Shinobi War.
18:20 - No, it doesn't! He wouldn't want Shisui's eyes if he already had a pair that did the same thing.
Awesome video and theory
My boy intros be a movie huh
Still waiting for that Ohnoki video you promised us Hammer👀
Thank you for fixing that mess in Hanzo characte, beccause of that I can like him once again
Yo this popped up on my recommended 52 seconds ago that's pretty dope
Maybe I am wrong. However, was Obito around Nagato during the time when Danzō was "plotting" against the Akatski. I mean, he was trying to convince Nagato to join him if I am not mistaken. And was the new recruit of the murdered when they (Nagato and Yahiko) tried to rescue Konan. When Yahiko died, it was much easier for Obito to convince Nagato to change the objectives of the group.
his bandages were from the first great ninja war he says this but also during either a filler ark or a special theres a picture of donzo in either later in the first great ninja war or shortly after it so take that as you will since its not cannon