I've been trying to do a little research on this line in the era from the late 1950's through to the 1970's. They had the transition from Steam to diesel and some really cool third rail "P" motors still around. Croton Harmon was the transition from third rail to the rest...really interested in those "P2" electrics that I guess had roots in Cleveland. And the other motive options New York Central used just before collapsing into the chaos :) SO my vote is those "p" series electrics that went from Grand Central to Croton. LOVE your channel BTW. Watching every video you have done. I amazes me that with all the Millions of people over the many decades of service up and down the east side of the Hudson, there isn't both more interest and more information out there. My Dad was a "commuter" riding that system for 50 years.....I remember vaguely seeing a Steam engine in Peekskill....trying to dig more information out about that line.
When you mentioned the LIRR EMD DM30AC, that picture was actually the EMD DE30AC. The DE30AC numbers were #400-422 when ordered in 1998. DE: Diesel Electric 30: 3,000 horsepower AC: AC power equipped The DM30AC numbers were #500-522 when ordered in 1999. DM: Dual Mode (like the GE P32AC-DM) 30: 3,000 horsepower AC: AC power equipped They were ordered to pull Kawasaki C3 bi-level coaches which were ordered from 1997 to 1998 with 23 C3 Cab Cars #5001-5023. They replaced the aging ALCo FAs, the EMD GP38-2s, the EMD FL9s, the passenger serviced EMD MP15ACs, and the Kawasaki C1 bi-level coaches. However, on October 23, 2000 in Huntington, New York, DM30AC #503 hit a shopping cart on the tracks, in which the shopping cart shorted out the third rail, causing the locomotive to catch fire. There were no injuries or deaths but #503 was damaged beyond repair. It sat in LIRR's Morris Park Facility being stripped for parts. Last year in July 2018, #503 was scrapped. In 2013, DM30AC #507 suffered an electrical cabinet failure, but it was saved by being converted to a DE30AC. It had its third rail pickup shoes removed, was renumbered to #423, and returned to service.
Just to let you know at 5:31 that is a LIRR DE30AC the desile electric version of the DM30AC you can tell the difference buy the numbering the DE30ACs are numbered in the 400s and the DM30ACS are numbered in the 500s also if you are up close you can spot a 3rd rail shoe
It's ok you have to do some digging to find out thair aren't bulbords saying that THE DE30ACs are Hubert in the 400s and the dm30acs are numbed in the 500s alos I use the LIRR more because I am located buy it
Always wondered how fuel efficient these locomotives are.I actually was waiting to go home from Poughkeepsie to New York and the locomotive that took us home had been there for at least 45 minutes engine idling the entire time.
I found specs for the P42, at idle, HEP online w/400kw of draw, 37gph. Figuring Poughkeepsie is a fuel point, it could idle almost two and a half days, before its 2200 gallons is exhausted. Same figures show fuel consumption at highest of 198gph in notch 8 (1050rpm) or 172gph at 900 with HEP. That drops down considerably to pure idle, HEP offline, at a dozy 468rpm of a mere 4gph. www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?4,1871287 If you’re interested. I’d figure a tad better economy given the four missing cylinders on the P32. Back to the point, I don’t think anyone would mind the missing 38 gallons from the layover.
Well done and their Long Island counterparts DM30AC can run on electric mode to 80 mph very useful if you have to run a Ronkonkoma train via Central Branch by mode switching at Babylon station
@@nyrailfan202 Thanks for telling me.. If MTA wanted state of New York built locomotive then a CAF Bitrac locomotive made in Elmira alongside MBTA CAF Urbos 3900s. Remember the following train sets are made in state of New York M7A R142 Plattsburgh Bombardier R142A R160B R143 M8 M9 & M9A Kawasaki Yonkers Which was actually finished in 1986-1988 for R68A & PA4 assembly lastly is Alstom Hornell, NY for West of Hudson Metro-North Comet Vs and PL42ACs R160As.
i hate when foamers think Amtrak P32AC-DM's are heritage units, they aren't, there's only like 1 or 2 Amtrak P32's that are not in Empire Service paint
@@nyrailfan202 706 is still Phase V for sure because i've seen it multiple times in the past weeks around Albany. I don't think 708 is in Phase V but maybe, i never saw it in V but also maybe cuz it just never came to me by railfanning and some people say it's in Phase V
I've been trying to do a little research on this line in the era from the late 1950's through to the 1970's. They had the transition from Steam to diesel and some really cool third rail "P" motors still around. Croton Harmon was the transition from third rail to the rest...really interested in those "P2" electrics that I guess had roots in Cleveland. And the other motive options New York Central used just before collapsing into the chaos :) SO my vote is those "p" series electrics that went from Grand Central to Croton. LOVE your channel BTW. Watching every video you have done. I amazes me that with all the Millions of people over the many decades of service up and down the east side of the Hudson, there isn't both more interest and more information out there. My Dad was a "commuter" riding that system for 50 years.....I remember vaguely seeing a Steam engine in Peekskill....trying to dig more information out about that line.
I love how interconnected all of these transit systems are with Amtrak and with one another
I like rewatching your Engines of Metro North videos every few months.
A Couple Months Ago, I Think I Saw P32 #228 At Harlem - 125 Pulling The Poughkeepsie Express.
5 years later:
MNCR P32AC-DM’s: IM STILL STANDING
When you mentioned the LIRR EMD DM30AC, that picture was actually the EMD DE30AC.
The DE30AC numbers were #400-422 when ordered in 1998.
DE: Diesel Electric
30: 3,000 horsepower
AC: AC power equipped
The DM30AC numbers were #500-522 when ordered in 1999.
DM: Dual Mode (like the GE P32AC-DM)
30: 3,000 horsepower
AC: AC power equipped
They were ordered to pull Kawasaki C3 bi-level coaches which were ordered from 1997 to 1998 with 23 C3 Cab Cars #5001-5023.
They replaced the aging ALCo FAs, the EMD GP38-2s, the EMD FL9s, the passenger serviced EMD MP15ACs, and the Kawasaki C1 bi-level coaches.
However, on October 23, 2000 in Huntington, New York, DM30AC #503 hit a shopping cart on the tracks, in which the shopping cart shorted out the third rail, causing the locomotive to catch fire. There were no injuries or deaths but #503 was damaged beyond repair. It sat in LIRR's Morris Park Facility being stripped for parts. Last year in July 2018, #503 was scrapped.
In 2013, DM30AC #507 suffered an electrical cabinet failure, but it was saved by being converted to a DE30AC. It had its third rail pickup shoes removed, was renumbered to #423, and returned to service.
You could honestly do engines of the LIRR
@@nyrailfan202 Well. Someone else is doing it.
I am surprised that amtrak hasn't made a dual mode f40ph. An f40ph designed for Hudson for the northeast corridor and the Hudson River tunnels.
Can you make a video about west of Hudson, and Port Jervis and Pascack Valley lines
Possibly
Just to let you know at 5:31 that is a LIRR DE30AC the desile electric version of the DM30AC you can tell the difference buy the numbering the DE30ACs are numbered in the 400s and the DM30ACS are numbered in the 500s also if you are up close you can spot a 3rd rail shoe
Yeah I didn’t know that at the time but I do now
It's ok you have to do some digging to find out thair aren't bulbords saying that THE DE30ACs are Hubert in the 400s and the dm30acs are numbed in the 500s alos I use the LIRR more because I am located buy it
Maybe Siemens mobility will do what GE did make a DM locomotive. Like a SC-44AC-DM.
Yeah the chargers can go to where their engines can’t let them
System6 Rail Productions this will be a good Idea
Can you make a video about the port Jervis line
Imagine that there was a SC-44 dual mode version, it would be called DMALC-32
Are you gonna do a video on the Siemens SC-42DM when it starts running on MNRR?
I hope one is preserved in a museum
Probably will happen, just not for a while
Always wondered how fuel efficient these locomotives are.I actually was waiting to go home from Poughkeepsie to New York and the locomotive that took us home had been there for at least 45 minutes engine idling the entire time.
Not sure
I found specs for the P42, at idle, HEP online w/400kw of draw, 37gph. Figuring Poughkeepsie is a fuel point, it could idle almost two and a half days, before its 2200 gallons is exhausted. Same figures show fuel consumption at highest of 198gph in notch 8 (1050rpm) or 172gph at 900 with HEP. That drops down considerably to pure idle, HEP offline, at a dozy 468rpm of a mere 4gph.
www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?4,1871287
If you’re interested. I’d figure a tad better economy given the four missing cylinders on the P32.
Back to the point, I don’t think anyone would mind the missing 38 gallons from the layover.
@@jaysmith1408 Thanks for this info.
@@tribliv9567 very welcome
See even with this I still couldnt tell the difference between a P32 and a P42. But now I know which one operates on which lines
For all intensive purposes they are almost the same on the outside, but as someone one said, it’s what’s on the inside that counts.
Amtrak P32AC-DM's 700, 711, and 713 didn't get escape hatches.
True, I have noticed a lot of mistakes in all of the engines of videos I have made and I can’t really correct them.
Don’t the genesis’ doors open inwards?
Yes but there might not be enough room for someone to squeeze through
Awesome video
Well done and their Long Island counterparts DM30AC can run on electric mode to 80 mph very useful if you have to run a Ronkonkoma train via Central Branch by mode switching at Babylon station
Not really counterparts as they were made by 2 different companies about 10 years apart but they are similar
@@nyrailfan202 thanks for the information and what about the P32AC-DM what locomotive should replace them
Probably chargers
@@nyrailfan202 Thanks for telling me.. If MTA wanted state of New York built locomotive then a CAF Bitrac locomotive made in Elmira alongside MBTA CAF Urbos 3900s. Remember the following train sets are made in state of New York M7A R142 Plattsburgh Bombardier R142A R160B R143 M8 M9 & M9A Kawasaki Yonkers Which was actually finished in 1986-1988 for R68A & PA4 assembly lastly is Alstom Hornell, NY for West of Hudson Metro-North Comet Vs and PL42ACs R160As.
Limited clearance to open doors in the tunnels? I thought they all had inward opening doors.
There was not enough room to climb out
The name genesis is from the sega console, sega genesis.
How about ACMU's
It’s coming soon, just like everything else
do the EMD FL9's
you are the one person that provided input
what does that mean?
Nobody else told me what to do, the fl9’s will be coming up soon because I want to make that episode great because the engine is so great
Hehe its is the FL9 Is A Great engine
The fl9 have had a long life compared to most other f series diesel locomotives.
Is the Engines of Metro North, Shoreliner I,II, III and IV ever coming out?
yes it is one of many in the works
👍👍
Dude why didn't you give the samples of the horn
Just a standard K5lA
4:35 I saw that in the news
add background music
If you watch episode two there is some
I don’t wanna be that guy but it’s Grand Central terminal
Yay, the downeaster
3200 to 4000 hp is 800 hp difference, not 80. 😮
m7s
i hate when foamers think Amtrak P32AC-DM's are heritage units, they aren't, there's only like 1 or 2 Amtrak P32's that are not in Empire Service paint
Indeed, they look nice but they aren’t heritage
To update this only one left
Did 706 get painted, I know 708 is till phase V
@@nyrailfan202 706 is still Phase V for sure because i've seen it multiple times in the past weeks around Albany. I don't think 708 is in Phase V but maybe, i never saw it in V but also maybe cuz it just never came to me by railfanning and some people say it's in Phase V
Someone posted a photo of it a few days ago in phase V