I approached impro like 2 weeks ago and today I was really frustrated. 15 minutes, abracadabra, badaboom, I fucking played something that has sense. U MADE MY DAY MAN, thankusomuch!!!
For anyone who wants more great videos similar to this: Jeff Schneider mentions that exact dizzy quote in this video about improving jazz soloing: th-cam.com/video/IKgs63rsXr0/w-d-xo.html This great Open Studio video by Adam Maness talks about the same things (practicing rhythm/its more important) with examples & exercises: th-cam.com/video/rEdtUOGCCnU/w-d-xo.html
Thanks again for sharing your wisdom here, Pat. For those of us who don’t get the luxury of 1-on-1 sessions with you, these quick lessons are invaluable and so generous.
Changing the rhythm of the phrase is exactly why I love Sonny rollins, my main inspiration these days. He could solo on the same phrase for 20min then mention the original phrase at the end. Amazing
Damn, you got a double talent. Not only for being an amasing musician but also for explenation and forming your thoughts in easy to understand but super informative ways. That was great
Sh$t… people ask me who I listen to for jazz for years when I do solos. I told him I rarely listen to jazz.I listen to mostly hip-hop, great rock guitar solos, alternative rock, just about anything but. Never made the connection to phrasing, but now I see it.
Hip Hop and Jazz solos - that's what i was also thinking when i heared Quincy's "Back on the block" from 1989 with all those great rappers on it. It's the balance of offbeats and downbeats. the development of phrases.
One of the things that got me really thinking of putting phrasing into my playing was listening to Christian McBride play with Cyrille Aimée over a blues. He started with a simple lick for majority of the chorus then played it again with a different rhythm and it was on if the best things I’ve heard. Great vid man love the knowledge you have to share!
i keep coming back to this video. so so SO wise. this needs to be taught to everyone as a baseline. at my university they just shove the altered scale and such into everyone's faces
I don't know if you or your pr agent reads these comments, but as someone from a generation older, I'm fucking glad you're around Pat, it's a relief to know the new generation have a voice of no bs and truth being delivered in words and playing alike. I support you 💯 don't stop.
What I get out of the Tea For Two demo is that energy, being playful ( no pun intended ), or letting yourself feel a little silly, like a kid. Break through inhibited playing and schmalz it up! Don't feel self conscious about it. I love the way you played this and it made me smile. I think it requires a certain amount of fearlessness and willingness to look absurd as you explore the limits of a performance.
Yes I listen to Public Enemy...one day I listened to Chuck d on that rap called war at 33/3 and automatically I heard the bebop rhythms as he rapped!!!
It’s not about copying other artist but understanding how music works then applying your own personality on it because these modern artists sound the same
Another gem. Thank you. That's what jazz education should be speaking about. Not about chords, scales, changes... this is easy stuff. But these topics you have here, once again: PURE GOLD. Thank you.
I actually started learning jazz after learning a lot about hip-hop, and I remember making that same association between solos and verses! Great to see you talk about it, and exploring it way further than I did!
I have been thinking about this concept for a long time, even went on to use each melody's intervalic structure, taking it from different scale degrees. I think jazz improvisation is when everything literally comes in full circle because not only do you get to hear melodic, harmonic but rhythmic combinations that sound like other genres that have nothing to do with jazz coming into play. Thanks for the video man this profoundly useful!
@@timmyallan5041 only truly wonderful sax playing gives me that feeling, and so far, this fellow with his channel right here is the closest feeling I've ever had to when I hear Bird, it's simply magnificent, very happy to have found your channel
The more I pay attention to what's interesting in music, the more I notice that it really comes down to tension and relief a lot of times. Like ending a phrase on a non chord tone, then playing the same phrase and ending it on a chord tone. Or having a really syncopated phrase lead to a really straight phrase that lands on the downbeat
I've asked 3 different teachers of mine about this during this past semester. I've been trying to find information about phrasing and your insight is amazing as always. You spoke about studying some of the modern players that are masters, and I was wondering who you would recommend listening to on the music scene right now.
Really cool video. I had this problem the first time I tried to get into playing Jazz but not on my second attempt a couple of years later. The reason is pretty simple I think. In the meantime I started dancing Lindy Hop. Immersing myself in the music in that physical, visceral way for a few years just made the problem a non-issue. I sucked in almost every other way, but not this one. I think there is probably a huge difference in how this problem manifests depending on your connection to this whole tradition. Especially for people who aren't from communities where the broader musical tradition is alive. I mean, I live and grew up in an entirely different country. I really needed to put in a lot of work to connect with the tradition in some way before I could play the music right. Where I'm from there seems to be a lack of understanding of this problem which frustrates me to no end. So many students spend a whole bunch of time learning and playing "jazz" with a great deal of competence but it never sounds right. Something always feels... off. They think they can play swing but if you try to dance to their music it feels wrong. Some of them do end up picking it up along the way but many don't. I'm kinda glad I gave up on the first attempt and ended up going for the self-taught route later. The reason I ended up having another go was cos I was in charge of organising live music for dance parties and it was just simpler to front the band myself. You can get away with being surprisingly bad at improvising so long as you can play the head convincingly, your rhythm is good, and the rest of the band is solid. You solo on the tunes with easy changes or the ones you've practiced and leave the harder ones to the others 😅.
Great video. One of the ideas that helped me: think of what you just played more than just of what you will play next. Be very aware of the motive you just introduced and then develop it. Don't focus on the next cool thing, focus on the development. And don't be hesitant to repeat the motive. The development will come.
I actually think repetition of a lick or phrase is key if you are playing for an audience and not just for yourself. Repetition gives the listener a short rest - and if you incorporate a specific phrase and repeat it after a while, the listener will feel at home and at ease.
Definitely helps, really on any instrument. I’ve found myself using these methods a lot more, and with my basic understanding of improvising, it’s actually shockingly impressive how well this lesson can apply. I do jazz trombone, so I may not be ripping solos a ton, but it’s still common sense that is definitely nice to have. Thanks!
Thanks for this Pat. I have heard similar thoughts from others (not to take away from what you're saying). I feel like theory and complex harmony are the flavor du jour in the beginner jazz world today. But good rhythm/phrasing/feel can carry simple harmonic/melodic ideas way further than the opposite.
What should I start practicing in order to transfer what's in my head to what comes out of the instrument? I often feel like when I get up to improvise I have an idea in my head that I just don't know how to play on my instrument. Great video and your sound is just incredible! Would love to see you in live performance!
The more you sing those ideas the better you'll get at remembering them and integrating your voice as a part of your horn playing. The horn is just a barrier between the ideas in your head and the physical sound. This is what Wycliffe Gordon says he does when learning phrases. Sing it!!
@@TheSteelDialga This is good advice, but I don't think that's @the_tp3719 's problem (respectfully). Here's some different advice if you're still struggling: Practice scales and arpeggios. Even just your chromatic scale, but also all your major scales. This will create a direct connection in your mind between the note (the sound that you're hearing) and the physical feeling of *playing* the note. If you're already hearing the notes in your head, you just need to coordinate your body to get them out of the instrument, and if you have a direct mapping between the sound in your head and the note on the instrument, you'll be able to play (about) as well as you can sing.
Exclusivo Excellente , I play by ear , once someone from another band came up to me and said Man you left me nothing to Blow , Nicely done , Respect , oh have a great year coming towards you
LOVE your content! 🙌🏽💯 would be great if someone accurately covered the subject of “proper embouchure”. Relaxed jaw, tight on the sides?? No one talks about that stuff
The tea for two you played, that sounds like the head (I need to listen to the song). If it isn’t, we it be true that the solo phrases sound like each could be a head of its own?
Great video. Know the lyrics of a tune. Tea for Two is about a couple seeking privacy. It's an awkward love song with melody built on descending 1 tone in various keys. Everyone impros on that, but if you play the story the phrases will be longer Your vocal approach is spot on with voicing Check out King Pleasure who put words to solos Thanks for sharing ideas, that's how we all learn from each other
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Tea for two? Ah yes, the theme that plays after that viral jazz TH-cam video
More like every viral Jazz TH-cam video😂
Great tune man
@@SuperSaxio 🤩
I approached impro like 2 weeks ago and today I was really frustrated. 15 minutes, abracadabra, badaboom, I fucking played something that has sense. U MADE MY DAY MAN, thankusomuch!!!
Dizzy said "I improvise a rhythm and then put notes to it"... Always loved that - great video and great playing!
For anyone who wants more great videos similar to this:
Jeff Schneider mentions that exact dizzy quote in this video about improving jazz soloing: th-cam.com/video/IKgs63rsXr0/w-d-xo.html
This great Open Studio video by Adam Maness talks about the same things (practicing rhythm/its more important) with examples & exercises: th-cam.com/video/rEdtUOGCCnU/w-d-xo.html
Thanks again for sharing your wisdom here, Pat.
For those of us who don’t get the luxury of 1-on-1 sessions with you, these quick lessons are invaluable and so generous.
This channel is way to underrated
Best modern jazz artist being a hip and modern person teaching ONLINE. This is gold.
Changing the rhythm of the phrase is exactly why I love Sonny rollins, my main inspiration these days. He could solo on the same phrase for 20min then mention the original phrase at the end. Amazing
Damn, you got a double talent. Not only for being an amasing musician but also for explenation and forming your thoughts in easy to understand but super informative ways. That was great
He is an educator as well.
Sh$t… people ask me who I listen to for jazz for years when I do solos. I told him I rarely listen to jazz.I listen to mostly hip-hop, great rock guitar solos, alternative rock, just about anything but. Never made the connection to phrasing, but now I see it.
Boutta keep watching this everytime before I practice till I feel it's helping😂
Hank Mobley, simple at times but oh so melodic.
Hip Hop and Jazz solos - that's what i was also thinking when i heared Quincy's "Back on the block" from 1989 with all those great rappers on it. It's the balance of offbeats and downbeats. the development of phrases.
One of the things that got me really thinking of putting phrasing into my playing was listening to Christian McBride play with Cyrille Aimée over a blues. He started with a simple lick for majority of the chorus then played it again with a different rhythm and it was on if the best things I’ve heard. Great vid man love the knowledge you have to share!
christian mcbride should work on his thyme feel
@@timmyallan5041that’s a joke right? Right???
I've never heard phrasing explained through rap before. As someone who used to rap, that made a lot of sense to me.
7:10 Oh that's what Emmet Cohen uses for his outros
i keep coming back to this video. so so SO wise. this needs to be taught to everyone as a baseline. at my university they just shove the altered scale and such into everyone's faces
I don't know if you or your pr agent reads these comments, but as someone from a generation older, I'm fucking glad you're around Pat, it's a relief to know the new generation have a voice of no bs and truth being delivered in words and playing alike. I support you 💯 don't stop.
I enjoyed the “In Walked Bud” quote!
Thank you Patrick Bartley Jr. for your artistry and inspiration.
I wish you health and joy.
...um, awkward... this is tea for two. bud, you can't just walk in here and expect to be served! great video!
What I get out of the Tea For Two demo is that energy, being playful ( no pun intended ), or letting yourself feel a little silly, like a kid. Break through inhibited playing and schmalz it up! Don't feel self conscious about it. I love the way you played this and it made me smile. I think it requires a certain amount of fearlessness and willingness to look absurd as you explore the limits of a performance.
hobbyist here, but i love how your advice always pertains to all instruments because more than anything, it speaks on music and musicality.
Yes I listen to Public Enemy...one day I listened to Chuck d on that rap called war at 33/3 and automatically I heard the bebop rhythms as he rapped!!!
Thanks Patrick.... very helpful.
This is the second time I’ve heard a jazz educator talk about this exact subject. I’ll take it as a sign. Thanks Pat!
It’s not about copying other artist but understanding how music works then applying your own personality on it because these modern artists sound the same
I 'm a Bone player from Philly affiliated with the Clef Club of Jazz.I like the way you deliver.
Fantastic. Thank you, Mr. Bartley.
expand the concept expand the concept pleasee
(this video is gold btw thank you so much )
Best tips! Bro @12:30 had me ROLLING! 😂😂🤣🤣😂 yup 😂😂😂😂😂 I felt that
Another gem. Thank you. That's what jazz education should be speaking about. Not about chords, scales, changes... this is easy stuff. But these topics you have here, once again: PURE GOLD. Thank you.
A true genius, in music and in teaching
Dude, one of my good saxophone friends from back in the day hipped me to your playing and content. I've learned a lot as a sax player myself.
i see u with that In Walked Bud quote at the end
Valuables ideas & insight! Thank you!
I actually started learning jazz after learning a lot about hip-hop, and I remember making that same association between solos and verses! Great to see you talk about it, and exploring it way further than I did!
Your tone is lovely. I really appreciate your playing.
great info, just learning Sax (still playing Clarinet). This is the understanding I needed. Thankyou.
I have been thinking about this concept for a long time, even went on to use each melody's intervalic structure, taking it from different scale degrees. I think jazz improvisation is when everything literally comes in full circle because not only do you get to hear melodic, harmonic but rhythmic combinations that sound like other genres that have nothing to do with jazz coming into play. Thanks for the video man this profoundly useful!
Patrick! You are fantastic! Thanks a lot!
Love the Monk quote at the end :) Also this is some of the best concise advice for playing music that can reach people I've ever heard.
bro you blow horn like the master bird himself, such tone and phrasing and sensitivity! much respect to you sir, that's truly beautiful playing
prove it
@@timmyallan5041 only truly wonderful sax playing gives me that feeling, and so far, this fellow with his channel right here is the closest feeling I've ever had to when I hear Bird, it's simply magnificent, very happy to have found your channel
@@timmyallan5041 how could this dude prove it??
@@timmyallan5041Prove you're human?
@timmyallan5041 Look up Bartley’s iconic performance here of After You’ve Gone. There’s your proof.
Very well explained .
I love your playing! ありがとうございます！！
Great teaching … thanks for making so simple
Man love your style.
The more I pay attention to what's interesting in music, the more I notice that it really comes down to tension and relief a lot of times. Like ending a phrase on a non chord tone, then playing the same phrase and ending it on a chord tone. Or having a really syncopated phrase lead to a really straight phrase that lands on the downbeat
I've asked 3 different teachers of mine about this during this past semester. I've been trying to find information about phrasing and your insight is amazing as always. You spoke about studying some of the modern players that are masters, and I was wondering who you would recommend listening to on the music scene right now.
The way I see it, anybody who you can listen to over and over is a master. Start with your masters
But yeah, Pat, please turn us on to more masters
Great vid! Looking forward to hear you speak about the construction of lines in bebop
What a talent for communicating! Please keep all that you do as open as possible.
This is great! Thanks a lot.
Great solo, with the In Walked Bud ending ;)
Really cool video.
I had this problem the first time I tried to get into playing Jazz but not on my second attempt a couple of years later. The reason is pretty simple I think. In the meantime I started dancing Lindy Hop. Immersing myself in the music in that physical, visceral way for a few years just made the problem a non-issue. I sucked in almost every other way, but not this one.
I think there is probably a huge difference in how this problem manifests depending on your connection to this whole tradition. Especially for people who aren't from communities where the broader musical tradition is alive. I mean, I live and grew up in an entirely different country. I really needed to put in a lot of work to connect with the tradition in some way before I could play the music right.
Where I'm from there seems to be a lack of understanding of this problem which frustrates me to no end. So many students spend a whole bunch of time learning and playing "jazz" with a great deal of competence but it never sounds right. Something always feels... off. They think they can play swing but if you try to dance to their music it feels wrong. Some of them do end up picking it up along the way but many don't. I'm kinda glad I gave up on the first attempt and ended up going for the self-taught route later.
The reason I ended up having another go was cos I was in charge of organising live music for dance parties and it was just simpler to front the band myself. You can get away with being surprisingly bad at improvising so long as you can play the head convincingly, your rhythm is good, and the rest of the band is solid. You solo on the tunes with easy changes or the ones you've practiced and leave the harder ones to the others 😅.
Great, just great explanation.....thanks from France
Thank you and God bless
Great video.
One of the ideas that helped me: think of what you just played more than just of what you will play next. Be very aware of the motive you just introduced and then develop it. Don't focus on the next cool thing, focus on the development. And don't be hesitant to repeat the motive. The development will come.
I actually think repetition of a lick or phrase is key if you are playing for an audience and not just for yourself. Repetition gives the listener a short rest - and if you incorporate a specific phrase and repeat it after a while, the listener will feel at home and at ease.
Love this! Never thought about "rhyming" on my instrument before but definitely going to think about it from now on.
Killin’ B!
Thanks, Lafayette!
Definitely helps, really on any instrument. I’ve found myself using these methods a lot more, and with my basic understanding of improvising, it’s actually shockingly impressive how well this lesson can apply. I do jazz trombone, so I may not be ripping solos a ton, but it’s still common sense that is definitely nice to have. Thanks!
Quizás no me entiendas pero, GRACIAS era el video que necesitaba
This video was really intuitive. Thank you, Patrick. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for this Pat. I have heard similar thoughts from others (not to take away from what you're saying). I feel like theory and complex harmony are the flavor du jour in the beginner jazz world today. But good rhythm/phrasing/feel can carry simple harmonic/melodic ideas way further than the opposite.
Patrick. Thanks for making this video.
I love you Patrick Thank you so much
Thank you man!
This feels like forbidden knowledge. Wish I had known this before. Thanks Pat!
What should I start practicing in order to transfer what's in my head to what comes out of the instrument? I often feel like when I get up to improvise I have an idea in my head that I just don't know how to play on my instrument. Great video and your sound is just incredible! Would love to see you in live performance!
The more you sing those ideas the better you'll get at remembering them and integrating your voice as a part of your horn playing. The horn is just a barrier between the ideas in your head and the physical sound. This is what Wycliffe Gordon says he does when learning phrases. Sing it!!
@@TheSteelDialga This is good advice, but I don't think that's @the_tp3719 's problem (respectfully). Here's some different advice if you're still struggling:
Practice scales and arpeggios. Even just your chromatic scale, but also all your major scales. This will create a direct connection in your mind between the note (the sound that you're hearing) and the physical feeling of *playing* the note. If you're already hearing the notes in your head, you just need to coordinate your body to get them out of the instrument, and if you have a direct mapping between the sound in your head and the note on the instrument, you'll be able to play (about) as well as you can sing.
Exclusivo Excellente , I play by ear , once someone from another band came up to me and said Man you left me nothing to Blow , Nicely done , Respect , oh have a great year coming towards you
Greetings from Germany!
New hero, thanks, Pat. Gold!
You are so enjoyable, accessible, and simply brilliant!! Thank you!
LOVE your content! 🙌🏽💯 would be great if someone accurately covered the subject of “proper embouchure”. Relaxed jaw, tight on the sides?? No one talks about that stuff
you are a masterclass! amazing.
This video is really impressive and simply awesome!!!
merci sensei
This was a masterclass in phrasing 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Yeahhhh. Thanks man
Thanks for making these videos!
It’s amazing how much info you packed in 15 min! Good luck with the new studio! 🚀
Such good stuff. Just two of your videos have been very eye opening! Thanks for sharing
Great perspective. Thanks for the share. You’re a monstah , Man!
Fantastic video and concepts.. many thanks.. rang home hard for me 🙏 bless
every idea in this video is absolute gold.. you nailed it with "phrasing". It truly is everything in jazz. thank you so much. I've subscribed
Thank you for the extremely helpful advice!
The tea for two you played, that sounds like the head (I need to listen to the song). If it isn’t, we it be true that the solo phrases sound like each could be a head of its own?
You have some great information for us Thanks!
Great video. Love your playing. So much language and so well phrased. Thanks!!
This is awesome
June Serita is playing saxophone now. She is coming for you man.
I've been teaching her every now and then actually. Yeah her improvement rate scares me 😂
Excellent concept. Fresh approach, and entertaining presentation. Thanks
Wooo, very great concept！
Nice tone. Are there any albums I can hear you on?
Thank you for sharing your knowledge man! Cheers!
Incredibly useful information and your presentation is phenomenal!!
With great tools comes great responsibility.
ありがとう❤️
Great video
Great video. Know the lyrics of a tune. Tea for Two is about a couple seeking privacy.
It's an awkward love song with melody built on descending 1 tone in various keys.
Everyone impros on that, but if you play the story the phrases will be longer
Your vocal approach is spot on with voicing Check out King Pleasure who put words to solos
Thanks for sharing ideas, that's how we all learn from each other
Great video, beautiful explanation and super examples. This is a point I try to get across to my students and I will share this with them. Cheers..!
Great Lesson!!
Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us always Pat!!
Love your content, very insightful and also fun to watch, thanks for sharing!