How To Get The MOST Out Of Transcribing! [Twitch Q&A]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Here's a clip from my weekly Sunday Q&A segment on Twitch! Transcribing is often the most mystifying and ambiguous task we are always told to do when learning jazz - but why is it important, and at what point can we start benefiting from our transcriptions? One user asks this question, and I break down, at least an introduction to, some of the ways you can get the most out of transcribing beyond just the notes!
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Lmao "A Multivitamin for learning your instrument" is a great analogy. Good stuff!
Best analogy I’ve heard in a long time. 💯 true
this was gold. His reaction was like he genuinely is amazed on how good his own thought was. haha
This is exactly what I needed to hear. As a beginner aspiring student of jazz and bepop I’ve been studying blues for Alice. Charlie is sooooooooooooooo good. His fluency and accuracy and decision making is a lesson in itself. I did intend learning his solo fully but as a guitarist some things are hard to imitate but as a beginner my concern was on the melody and trying to understand some aspect of the chords changing, which to me is harder than transcribing a solo but getting the chords down. I did cheat my way through some parts of the solo because that shit is hard but thanks for the extra insight! 7:21 very true it’s beautiful to hear but to play I noticed was a whoooole different story. Bird lives.You’re absolutely right….
Thank you for discussing the importance of trying to be a copycat when transcribing. The best compliment I’ve gotten so far from my guitar teacher was he said he knew I was playing a Grant Green solo before he recognized the specific tune. I don’t want to always sound like Grant Green, but I’m glad I know how to and how not to.
ive been transcribing guthrie govan this entire year and only got 2 solos of him (robben ford and larry carlton style ones on jtc) and i was ready to come into this video knowing i've fucked up somehow but im quite happy cause i see a lot of covers of guys playing it on youtube and they lack Dynamics, phrasing, timing etc etc and its been hard to learn these but im in a spot where i can almost play exactly like him and that makes me happy :D
I gave up on Larry Carlton style track a long time ago but the few bars I learned had me happy as hell
Every now and then you hear advice and everything in you screams YES! This makes so much sense and fits perfectly with other learning/discoveries. Thank you much for airing this man.
Anyone who has tried this honestly knows how hard it is, you have to contort EVERY part of your playing to actually "emulate" the sounds of the great players on recordings. Great little talk 👏
This is crazy. We were JUST talking about this in my jazz combo last week. truer words have never been spoken
You are a wonderful teacher, Patrick! Keep up all the amazing educational content.
Thanks Pat, love the quality education you're putting out there. I appreciate it!
Words!
I was feeling kinda bad about not learning many solos, but I found out that actually learned few solos pretty well detailed . Thank you Patrick!
Well, if nothing else at least I now know that even if my learning everything by ear is slow, it's certainly the best way to learn. Same for me not learning 12 pieces a year. At the moment I'm on 2, but those two I'm learning not just the notes, by how to play along with them so I can match the timings and where I can, the way the recording sounds -- if that makes a lick of sense 🤔
That said, I wish I had an easier time picking up on the deeper layers of the music I'm playing, but I'm guessing that's all stuff that will come in time and with practice xD
It takes so long lol
Develop true pitch. Saxology explains how.
one of the best jazz teacher ever.. absolute gold
Okay, this is GOLD. Much appreciated. Much Love.
Great video Parick. I find I can hear I'm not capturing everything... but its another level to know what's not quite right. That's where you need a teacher!
So good! Forwarded to all my students
Wow. Something in this video has really clicked for me man. Thanks for sharing your wisdom.
Thank you so much for this ! Definitely getting on board to learn the right way from now on.
I cannot believe this is free information, thank you Patrick!
6:34 so good. Thank you
Fantastic information. Music isn't notes and rhythm; music is all the other stuff.
Pat getting the kids into brid is such a public service
Glad to see you doing these videos!
3:45 I like that moment. ^^
Its giving one band one sound haha Good stuff, bro
You’re really rolling out the content 👌🏾. Thank you
Notes are for musicians, what you are explaining is how to sound like an artist.
Gold nuggets right here. So much great information
Pat, are those air raid sirens I hear cause you be droppin’ bombs for real!!! 🤯
I love the content and lessons you are putting out
Hey YOU, yeah you… I love you
So much valuable content.. I can't thank you enough
This is my favorite video on TH-cam lol
Thank you, thats it!
Is it a good idea to slow down parts where you can not get all the notes or expressions? And also to start learning the solos more effiently and then gradually return to the correct tempo? I'm starting to learn my instrument and at least it is helping me understanding and learning the whole process little by little.
It's prob ok but I would recommend always keeping an eye on the original tempo, it becomes a lot easier to get 'lost' in the overall solo if you're only listening to the thing slowed down. Going back to original speed helps you bear in mind the articulation/phrasing/articulation in the correct context.
Your the Goat 🐐!!! 💯
What's your setup? Mp, horn, reed, etc.
Artistry vs mechanics
Game analogies for days
Hey pat! I was wondering, where do you stream?
On Twitch
@@euronymous6450 what channel is it?
Dude you are awesome in teaching go a head and make more videos but make the viewers captions or subtitles it could be better for us so btw pick up topics like this and make more videos❤️❤️
Music is like ogres, which are like onions: you gotta peel back the layers.
damn u repetitive
From sax to sax is on thing, from sax to guitar is another world...
"Painting is a blind man's profession. He paints not what he sees, but what he feels, what he tells himself about what he has seen." - Pablo Picasso
I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO BIRD since the1950's... I don't play a horn... but I can skkkat
most of BIRD'S Tunes and git every note... So, Patrick Bartley is "kicking it correct"..
THANKS for The Gift..
Hey bro quick question with this. Do you get all the details in phrasing articulation, dynamics, tone, etc, as you go, or do you get the notes under your fingers and then go back and incorporate all of the meaning within the phrases?
I second this question
Well aware that you didn’t ask me, but here’s an answer to take or leave… I would say this: at first, obviously it will be hard to add any personality if you’re struggling to hear the notes, but as soon as you can play a phrase from start to end with the correct notes (even if it’s slower) you should be aiming to mimic the source as closely as possible. If you learn a whole solo ‘just the notes’ and then go back and try and add all the nuances that make the solo what it is, you’re adding a whole new process of correction. And, ghe whole time you’ve been playing the solo with just the notes, it’s not as though you’ve been playing it ‘neutral’ before adding in the soloists ‘colouring’, you’ve actually just been playing it with bad (or at the very least, inaccurate) feel. save yourself the time, and help train your ears quicker - play it verbatim, as much as possible. Hope this is of some help.
@@danielzza100 this is definitely helpful and appreciated thanks man
This is sooooo true. I have only been playing for about 2 years now and the one solo I can play, is Erin Watts’s solo in Glenn Frey’s The one you love. I have been trying to master the dynamics and articulation. Knowing the notes is only about a 3rd of the knowing someone’s solo.
Hey, newb question here. I remember watching you transcribe a cannonball recording for your viewers on a livestream and I was wondering do you write down your transcriptions or just commit them to memory without writing it down? And if you do write it down, do you do it after memorizing the entire piece/solo(s) or while you learn it bar by bar or every couple of bars? Thanks.
did you watch the video? he said start transcribing by ear rather than writing it down
you only need to write it down when you do theory/analysis
Thank you so much for this, I have been doing it wrong as you describe and that's what is lacking in my playing in addition to a lot else!
That made me think about what I love most about transcribing, which is getting into the heads of my heroes, like hearing their thoughts. Charlie Parker died long before I was born, but when I start transcribing, it is somehow like I’m in the room with him. Very intimate experience.
Thank you Patrick for dropping the wisdom, had me nodding with you all the way through! 🙏
This channel is pure gold. Thank you!!
Just found your channel. Now, I’m devouring your videos! Fantastic content!!!
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Wow ! multivitamin ! I like that idea . It's like taking a multivitamin . Just do the work . The reward will show up.
...multivitamin for learning your instruments. brah, that one is gonna stick with me
This shit is crazy. Thanks for being so free with the knowledge. Much love man! Much love!
I've always done the details and worried I've been obsessive or wasting time. Now I will be glad of it.
My god I love listening to you break this stuff down. You cut right to the core of the topic.
Highly insightful for any body, not just a music lesson but a life lesson too!
Thank you "the logic behind the lines", great insights man.
Brilliant.
lets goo
Great content Pat, thanks for the lesson!!!!!
I don’t know too much about setups, but perhaps you could plug in an EWI to the computer when you can’t make too much noise…
Doesn't get the job done - need the real sound and feel of the instrument! It's about more than the notes, that's the point I'm getting at. But thanks!
@@PatrickBartleyMusic got an Emeo, prob the closest you can get to an Electric sax - not much transfers from that instrument to the sax, sadly..
This hat is more cool than Phil Wood's hat. I never like Phil's hat.