Age of Empires 4 - The Holy Roman Empire Is INSANE
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ย. 2024
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The more the title is impressive the more the player get defeated badly
46 minute video, must not have been too bad if the game was that long.
now imagine HRE could Brace and Landsknecht had +5HP
yes, +5 or 10hp would put them in a nice spot
HRE cant brace?
@@themightygunthorian yeah, the Speamen are bugged, also for Delhi
Once their Spears get fixed and the Landslnecht get a bit more hp they really will be a problem. Their MAA once in castle are absolutely nutz with their upgrades.
Puppy's macro lost him the game hands down. He needed to either go 2 TC or fast Imperial. And even when he finally got to Imp at like 40min he didn't make enough villagers. His eco was way behind the entire game. I will applaud him surviving for so long.
It shows the impact regnitz can have, also considering the number of mangonels at 200gold apiece that got turned to twigs without even firing a single shot
Vortex fucked up bigtime. He just had 2 imperial officials kekw. The -are worth 8-10 vills in the lategame that generate resources out of air so you get 20% gold from a mining camp.
28:33 that was difficult to watch, the clocktower springald surviving way too much torch damage and the landknechts being underwhelming against spears
was thinking the same thing that 50% health from the clocktower is op
@@lordnox69 yeah but you can only build one at a time. Though having an Imperial Official supervise will speed it up.
The explosion you saw was the knight's lance being broken after charging.
24:00
That was the charge impact effect coming off the night as it charged infantry, not an explosion.
I mean, the lance did explode...
"It's not necessarily an overreaction... no you know what it's an overreaction." Perfect comedic timing.
@@Rhysing nothing is stopping you from uploading them. Regards
@@Rhysing nothing stops you from udloading aoe4 videos sans commentary.
His commentary is very entertaining a lot of the time, but this weird adherence to whatever he thinks the current meta is (and his favourite players in a match-up) is indeed hurting this. When those spears killed many more expensive horsemen, stopped their likely raids, secured the sacred sites and mopped up the opponent's scouts, Drongo still called it an overreaction, too many units being made. I doubt 2-3 knights as claimed would've achieved the same (and still cost 6-9 spears anyhow). Plus, that little army went on to siege and raid (in what he himself called a great trade against those NoBs).
Just stay open-minded, man!
It was nice matchup. But unfortunately, when magnonels lost their purpose, Hre didnt changed his narrative. Offer 3 produced mangonels and build 4th age 15 minutes earlier, Chinesse had though time.
So at 35:25 Vortix goes for the Spirit of the Way... is that the landmark that gives you a detailed breakdown of unit stats and farm efficiency?
This is the way.
@@Muenni jaja this is the way
Such a great game! Had to boot up AOE4 after this watch!
With those horseman running around I don't think it's a overeaction to get spears if puppy wants to get those relics.
HRE mains: Our time has come!
China mains: Hold my Fire lancer
I swear as soon as the fire lancers come out its over with - an HRE main
Recently I feel like I’ve had success against fire lancers as HRE because HRE infantry is so tanky and I can put produce his fire lancers. If I let him mass them that’s another story, but so far my harassment kicks in before he has them so they don’t get enough of them. I’m not highly rated though so that is only my experience…
Palace of Swabia is not just like 4 TCs, which would still cost 50 food/villager, but it's like one TC but every single villager produced is split into 4. So you get 4 villagers within the same time AND for the same cost of one.
Tldr down below
Every 10 villagers produce 300 resources (even more if used efficiently) so if you have 2 TCs each having produced 15 villagers the resources being brought in is the same like 3 relics for the HRE, but more versatile, so imho still worth the 1500 food it took. If you produce more vills they'll scale even more.
So realistically in the beginning the Cathedral is much better, because you get 900 gold/minute for nearly no cost, but if the chinese opponent produces 35% more vills/TC on two TCs while the HRE has 1, it doesn't take long until he has 30 more vills than HRE to counteract the Regnitz Cathedral, in addition to the imperial official bonus and more versatile use for villagers than relics.
Tldr: the Regnitz is better in the late early/midgame, but the chinese pull ahead quite fast after that
@@lucaxtshotting2378 oh my god, i just overread palace of swabia and replaced it with Regnitz Cathedral lol, my mistake haha
@@derAtze why would you write TLDR below instead of writing the TLDR on the first line :D
I liked that pro move at the very beginning. When he goes inside of the town center and then out instead of walking :D
Villagers are in now way or form scaling any differently than the Regnitz. Faster villager *production* is, from Song and the second TC, but not the higher vill number per se. Although, I wouldn't call either Regnitz nor vills a one-time bonus.
I'd love to be able hear some of these players' thought process behind these games. No crossbows against HRE? No university? I mean he's rank 6 so he's doing something right but a palace guard + crossbow + springald push could of ended this game much earlier.
Also there's a bug that lets you research pyrotechics at clocktower
He didn't have any ranged upgrade for the crossbowmen, they would have been vanilla
He had just 2 imperial officials. They are worth 8-10 Villigers in the lategame. That was a big mistake for Vortex. I main chinese and Vortex made alot of mistakes with chinese, it‘s clearly not one of his main civs.
Just bare in mind that palace guard have 2 attack modes. They have a normal one and then an increased range with slightly less dmg so they actually do really well in clumped up battles
man, it's hard to tell the difference between palace guards and spearman
With their weapons they should have some sort of bonus against calvary, they are still pointy polearms.
@@fanzhang5568 no point bringing realism into the game. They just need to update the models so it's easier to tell if you're fighting a spearman or a palace guard at a glance.
this sequence at 7:12 really shows why prof scouts should have a 2s interruptable cast time when picking up a carcass
They say that in the army,
The breakfast is mighty fine.
Last night we had 10 puppies,
This morning we had 9.
Oh lord I want to go-oh.
But they won't let me go-oh.
18:30 the long distance mine is because the double tax building is in range this way
The sieges engines make the game ridicilous in my opinion. A big nerf is necessary ;) Maybe put on friendly fire?
Totally agree. Actually siege is so op that is like there were war tanks in the middle ages. Besides that, i reallly like the game.
@@angels.rodriguez3446 na its so much fun with siege tho
if you deny a deny, is that an .... enable? - this is some philisophical quote right there!
I think he didnt go for the wood line because he also wanted the berries dont need wood for knights and infantry maybe?
So what I'm getting from these videos is, if your opponent is playing China, just don't bother.
HRE? 46 minutes? Sounds right.
I feel like the HRE player needed to get the Palace of Swabia out much, much earlier to get that villager boom going.
Then send the villagers out of his base while he was raiding and establish gold mining and wood cutting camps, partly for the resources and partly to keep the Chinese player from having them.
It seems to me that he was raiding for quite a bit of the game without ever really achieving much for it.
But of course it's easy to say that when you're not playing...
I never use palace of swabia when there’s chinese among the enemies, those fire lancers demolish fucking hard
@@PolarMuttaqin with hre you eant to use the big eco lead you have early and attack. Especially again civs with weak eco.
Keep up the vids, I'm addicted.
he told the story of his name on stream, he wanted a rabbits foot, but only had a puppy and when life gives you lemons you sever the paw from your puppy for luck
Inspired wood gathering is underrated 3:50
Thx for great video. Landsknecht pronounced as simply lands kneht . CH is simply H (a little close to throat)
I love that your video titles don't spoil the winner
Landsknecht + Man-at-arm VS FireLancer? Showtime...
It's all about micro. Landsknecht needs time to cleave through, FireLancer simply can not stand still. It must either be charging or running away.
Fire Lancer is not a melee Unit, it's a range Unit and projectile is Fire Lancer's body. It's fragile but reuseable 10 sec reload time, mean while you need to run!
Actually any HRE infantry will be shredded by firelancers. Especially spears and landsknecht because neater hav enough health to survive the charge. The only thing you could do is knights. This however only works if the firelancer are in low numbers. As soon the HRE player sees a group of more than 20 firelancers he knows he is done and can call gg
@@aluimmumitat this is only valid in the small amount of time before the next patch; when HRE spears are fixed they'll 100% counter fire lancers
Love your videos, man! You really are an asset to Aoe4. Greetings from the Pacific Northwest U.S.
I noticed that in AOE 4 farms come quite late in the game and also people don't use the trade markets on the map.
Drongo, if you could stop clickbaiting, that would be great.
>top 10 player as China again
skipped
Respect to the good players that want to have fun and actually plays something none-meta
So tired of seeing China
@@Half_Finis 100%. The community’s obsession over meta picks is going to be the death of it
Even already it just feels tiring to pick HRE, abassid, etc, when EVERY single game the enemy is China, Mongol, French. Literally every single game for me
Watching people use china or mongols is never much fun as they always tend to be the most meta yawn fests. Like this match, china wins with siege spam how surprising.
What? You want them to go play Mongols Rus French?
The HRE player did many mistakes. Landsomething are good in large numbers, in fact they could be the best melee infantry in the game. However when built in small numbers don't do much of a difference (so if you cannot mass, MAA are better choice). He also built the House of Swabia way too late that it was irrelevant, the Keep landmark would have been a better choice (specially if it would have built it around a sacred site with a relic inside). In the end, i would say the Chinese player was far superior.
While the Palace of Swabia came in far too late because Puppy didn't know when to stop pushing and catching up on eco, I don't think it was the wrong choice that late still. It was the only way he could've caught up and actually overtake the Chinese eco. Plus, you can throw vills at enemy siege and not suffer all that much from it. By the time Chinese bombards are out and you at half the vills, a short-lived bit of map control with the Elzbach palace cannot save you.
Also, a greater number of Landsknecht when you haven't dealt with those spring-protected NoBs is not a smart investment. Throwing some in with massed MAAs is not generally inefficient either.
You got it totally wrong, Landsknecht are somewhat effective when mixed with MAA, but alone they're worthless and a waste of gold
@@zilliq I said they are worthless in small numbers. They deal splash damage and above 10-15 they get nuts. No composition is good with one unit (thats called "spam" or "blob")
@@Muenni Landsknecht mass & some MAA with colverins supported by vills (repairing them) could have ripped apart palace guards with NoB! Elzbach palance doesn't die if you built it within TC influence and a relic inside. The above would mean that the HRE player should have went with at least three tcs.
The way he played, he didn't fast Imperial (so he lost that power spike of the OP landmarks), so from there, he was fighting an uphill battle with a boomy China.
@@dimitrisoikonomou3568 Your solution for a very different game with 3 TCs and somehow still an earlier Imperial Age (to produce the culverins) seems kinda unrelated to this, no? The question was if going Elzbach instead of Swabia this late would've been a better choice. It doesn't magically give you a better eco to spare a relic and pump out some Imperial anti-siege with no secure woodline at the same time (he kept getting forced off it).
It's not like his army performed badly, for the resources spent. If seemed unable to keep making springalds later on, so I doubt he could've produced the culverins needed even. Massed Landsknechts against NoBs only works with anti-siege taking out the NoBs, which he already tried as best as he could (though admittedly sometimes even with the mangonels, which was a mistake ofc).
HRE is insane? At what? Losing?
Strategy, what you dont see everytime on high elo. 67 vil vs 120vil and still he holded the tempo.
need hre mix for landknechts they need the armor fodder infront and for them to sneak in gaps in the infantry lines or they;re best vs villagers lol i had one kill 60 in a few swings
Wasn't vortex a zerg player at one point?
It's so irritating watching siege do the little sprint when getting attacked
their speed has got to get fixed
Nest of Beegees - stayin' alive
I Just don't understand why Vortix doesn't make FireLancers. HRE is sooooo... easy to deal with FireLancers. I almost don't make palace guard at all. Zhuge Nu has best pre resource HP, I would rather use Zhuge Nu for the Tank line. And FireLancer will clean the battlefield. If you need something to engage enemy spear so FireLancer can land their charge, Zhuge Nu will do much better than Palace Guard.
You don't even need age III siege engine, just hold for bombard.
FireLancer can charge in and pull out so fast, and leave piles of dead bodies behind, and it can deal with siege engines soo well.
You know what Palace-guard doesn't have sprite way discount, but FireLance and ZhugeNu do.
Zhuges don't kill MAA/Knights and they can't tank neither
Vortix didn't play to win the game, he wanted to try new unit combination as well. Besides, what made this game interesting for me is that it wasn't just another meta Chinese Fire Lancer rush, and it it was, I think Drongo would not even bother to cast it.
Palace guards were excellent vs siege and can sorta trade vs knights and Maa. ZN do badly vs Puppy's composition.
Once Vortix could've gained access to Firelancers, throwing in Zhuge Nu against an army of MAAs, knights and Mangonels sounds like an incredibly bad idea, lol. They would've done well against the earlier spears though.
@@henrylaz8964 he was losing 1-0 in a BO3 for a tournament, he was 100% playing to win
Are they too cool for stone walls?
I'd like to know the kill to death ratio of this game, I suspect it favors Puppypaw.
Drongo you always make my day :)
Why are they not getting the standard economy upgrades?
Im noob
Did you cast the 3rd game of this series? I need to know who wins!
I really love your content but can you stop clickbaiting? It's like the vid from the other day "ABBASID IS EXTREMELY UNTERRATED" and then the video just shows abbassid getting absolutely shit on for 20 minutes before they lose. You dont need to clickbait mate we all enjoy your content anyways
Yes, it's starting to annoy me. I'll watch all his videos anyway but throughout the game I expected HRE to do something spectacular. Instead all we got was a very good HRE player holding on pretty well to an obviously superior civ.
Exactly my point. I sat till the end expecting HRE win. Hate clickbaiting.
This
Holy roman empire men at arms are amazing but people prefer to mass knights it's so annoying
The problem is that they are too slow and have too many counters. Before the horsemen nerf they were used more. But without them maa need to rely on knights and archers. To deal with crossbows, mangonels and handcanoniers
16:00 petition to make Reignitz income increase by 50% in Age IV.
Would rather want to make relics storable in the barracks landmark making the gold cost cheaper by 50 per relic
he is Chinese the pyrotechnics is a free upgrade as long as they build the university
The helll is this bait title? This game had interesting aspects but nothing about the HRE in this game was noteworthy, except for losing, whilst they and their enemy are in the HRE´s favourite age for most of the match
omg never going swagia is stressing the fk out of me... he could just click it for so long xd
Viper plays awesome, doesn't he!!
brewery!? lmao
This is the best game ever.
best combo for civ that have acces to culvs , its to mass them enough to counter any siege , make a soak up dmg army and then mangonels and then 2-3 canons in the back just to slow push and baaaam china goes to dark age
yeah easy just mass couleuvrine mangonel canons
Another video with “insane” in the title ❤️
Vortex only has 2 imperial officials kekw
Could you make the titles more ambiguous so the winner isn’t clear?
you didn't watch the game did you ?
What map is this ?
Vortix micro is significantly better; half the time Red units kept going back and forth and did nothing.
Vortex just had 2 imperial official they are worth 8-10 villigers in the lategame that are creating resources. He fucked up big time 😅
32:00 horrible knight movement spliut them up have the closest go in and the rest go in from behind the spears arent looking
The Chinese are OP.
another boring game where chinese just outboom and win as soon as bombards come out.
Props to you, Drongo, for keeping the intensity up but even the best casting in the world can only do so much
Damnit I've been doing HRE infantry spam since 2 weeks into release, stop drawing attention =(
I was rooting for puppy:(
1 imperial official on gold would be 20%!!!! more gold generation!! For just 150 Food kekw
WTF are these misleading titles. I thought HRE would win. there was no point in the game where the INSANE-ness of the infantry came to light.
Yup classic Chinese domination
Lunchknecht
Pyrotechniques are researched automatically and instantly for Chinese once you reach imperial
No. Once you build the university.
You're thinking of Chemistry, not Pyrotechnics
@@alexdavies7367 you're right, pyrotech is actually available in imperial for 150/150 food n wood with 700 gold and 90s upgrade time
Not enough lanskheht:)
Even pro players, lost 3 mangonels before they even fired twice, now thats value ! Lemme build more and keep giving 1500 gold away at a time, im flushed with gold. Dude just i dont know build anything with speed and flank the crap out of their siege, i dont know why this is so hard for them to get their head around. Build more farms, buld more towncenters to keep the food. And wth is he doing with Landsknecht, 100 gold each, excuse me ?!
haych are ree
hell yeah so glad AOE is back, so sad watching these guys play cheap knockoff browser games and never heard of AOE ever.
my best game, was 2v2 at first, my partner was crappy, got killed, found him mining and cutting behind my lines, was ok, needed the tribute but then he walled himself off and let me fend for myself. the other team expanded, took over my teamates lands. i was hittie...needless to say i had to blast my partner because he was mining my resources and not paying any tribute or even helping with the effort. four hours later, i made my last stand on a hill in the middle against 200 horse archers. with a better teammate we would have slaughtered the assys even tho they did the early rush because their villagers worked 20% faster or something like that.
the game is addicting, i remember playing 24 hours a day game after game, even got a projector and used to play on an 8 ft screen! love this game!
havent got the new one yet but its on the list. with covid and the slowdown, things kind of suck atm but this is the next great time killer for sure!
let them have their cheapo knock off games, i say gay as hell, i know, i am an asshole.
If HRE went faster imperial different game
Pyrotechnics is free for china :)
you thinking of Chemistry :)
@@benlewis458 ups thanks 😓👍🏿
Pls never say Landsknecht again, it hurts big time in native ears
45:00 he didnt research pyro. China gets pyro by building the university
are you thinking of Chemistry
im sorry where the F WERE THE APM Here If this were a starcraft 2 game it be over the moment that attack failed
first
second :|
You seem to do a troll title every time. It's getting old.
No, HRE is bottom tier
What's with your titles? Very misleading
is egctv the premier competitive aoe4 discord?