Managing to end a relationship with a God and NOT being horrifically cursed is doing pretty well in Greek myth. Not to mention being brought back from the dead!
"Your son-in-law will kill you." "Hah! Then I'll make any potential son-in-laws compete with me in a dangerous racing sport! What could possibly go wrong?"
I agree, if he was just open and honest with her, perhaps he could convince her to not marry anyone (or more specifically, any man) and he wouldn't feel like he needed to kill anyone... wait... did he just use it as an excuse to be a serial killer?
I mean, sure, but in Greek myth specifically avoiding prophecy of any kind is explicitly impossible. The Greeks at this time did not believe in agency in the same way we in the post Christian world do.
What a pleasant surprise!! I stumbled upon your channel after googling why the American medical symbol is a snake with wings..its from: Asclepius which then led me to your channel. I watched your videos..now I can't stop... I have to hear all the Greek Mythology! can't wait to email grandma all the interesting stories. :D lol keep up the great work!
"The driver's now a ghost that haunts Lesbos, that's fun." Greek mythology is just ridiculous. It's so dense, like you can't talk about one person without mentioning five more. "Hey, is that a ghost?" "Oh, yeah, he just hangs out." "Who is he? How did he get here?" "Well, you see, there was this guy called Tantalus ..."
How is the Pelops-Poseidon-Thing so damn wholesome? I mean it´s consensual (looking a you Zeus!), no-one dies even when they part and Poseidon is actually super supportive when his Ex gets married. That´s so sweet. Wouldn´t expect that from a Greek myth.
I aim to make all of the "failed" relationships I'm in match Poseidon's level of support in this story. "We may not be together anymore, but you can still GET IT and I'll make sure you do!!"
What I got from the first bit is this is the Greeks' story for why not to do child sacrifice, like there's the Hebrew version with Abraham being given a baby goat to sacrifice in place of his firstborn. Which all tells me that there was a lot of cultural peer pressure going on in the ancient world for people to do child sacrifice, that anyone needed theological tales to explain why we won't be doing that after all thank you.
More likely environmental pressure, not enough food to go around "so they gave some children back to the gods". The advent of agriculture probably made that unfortunate situation arise much less often and like with all technological leaps there followed a cultural leap and the narratives to go along with it. I mean this is all speculation on my part. I don't know if this is utter nonsense to anthropologists, a valid theory among many or the broadly agreed upon interpretation of these sorts of Abraham/Tantalus type stories. I could look it up but that sounds like a hassle.
@@FirstnameLastname-kn5sw Apparently, according to something I listened to just recently, sorry I can't remember the link right now, apparently food scarcity came as a consequence of agriculture, whereas hunter gatherers could keep themselves well-fed by doing only about three hours work a day, outside of natural disasters. Farming forced people to settle in place permanently, meaning they couldn't move around to find alternate food sources, as well as making them more liable to diseases. Then harvests created surpluses which allowed a population explosion, which resulted in persistent risk of famine in the event of poor harvests, as well as social hierarchy and thus artificial poverty and malnutrition. There's very little archaelogical evidence about hunter-gather religion (or anything else obviously), although they mostly seem to have been monotheistic, going by the consistent trend of anthropological studies of isolated peoples, but I get the impression that human scarifice in general was a consequence of polytheism, and the attempt to appease deities once they had been allocated "authority" over particular kinds of natural disasters which obviously you can't fend off any other way. Monotheism conversely tends to a more fatalistic and accepting mentality, that this is someone so high above that he isn't petty like that and he can't be bought off like that, and you just have to accept what comes, while trying to be a good person because the Great Spirit cares for all.
Actually been "rereading" Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters by audiobook recently. Tantalus shows up as temporary director of activities at Camp Half-Blood. Not sure how accurate the story Tantalus tells of his origins, but apparently he had tried stealing nectar/ambrosia from the gods as he left Mt. Olympus after he had been invited to eat with them. They caught him and shunned him, causing many people around Tantalus to look down on him, even his children supposedly chided him for his wrong-doing. To get back at both his children and the gods, he killed and cooked his children into the food he served to the gods when he invited them over.
Onomeas, hearing a prophecy about his death and setting up a fairly dangerous race as a precaution to not getting murdered: I'm sure there's no way this will backfire
Also, apparently Ares has faster horses than Poseidon? The God of Horses? Wow ok Poseidon didn't know you're gonna skimp out on your boytoy like that :/
But the funniest part I think is still that Lesbod is haunted by a random chariotier. Just a bunch of gals and their ghost friend Nik (I'm naming the chariotier Nikitas ok)
"I can't even tell the future. I just feed these guys some crazy made up prophecy and they're just dumb enough to make it happen." - The oracle probably.
In case you put some extra effort into it for this video, I think your hair and makeup look incredible! I also really enjoyed the new story. Keep up the great work...:)
I just started reading Dune (well, audiobook, so "reading") after watching some of Matt Colville's videos on the book. So that Agamemnon name-drop and curse seems extra relevant right now, lol.
Imagine being Hippodamea's servants. "Princess Horse-girl, what would like for tea?" *The new serving girl is snickering.* *The older servants are staring daggers at the new girl.*
This video had everything: child chili, ancient bronies, ghost rider, classic thermodynamically-induced wax fatalities, flirting (???), chain reaction death curses...
I have a pet hypothesis that the reason why there are so many cursed dynasties in Greek mythology is because all those mythological kings are based on actual rulers and/or culture heroes from the Mycenaean era, and when the Mycenaean civilisation went belly-up, it was easy for later civilisations to suppose that all those people were actually cursed and doomed and all that
You always have such great detail in your stories. Where do you find all the little bits? I once had a copy of Bulfinch's Mythology, but that didn't have near the detail you have in your stories.
I often read a number of different accounts or translations. The Routledge Handbook of Greek Mythology by Robin Hard is excellent, because it summarises most, if not all, major sources and highlights which pieces of information come from which texts - even including conflicting versions. It makes it really easy for me to pick my way through the details that will make the best video. I believe that book has gone out of print now and can be pretty expensive, but a great free source that does a similar thing is Theoi.com - they include a tonne of direct quotes that signal different primary source you can check, plus they now have a neat archive of translations of those primary texts.
I just finished a binge of your mythology videos and noticed you already did this one back in 2016 :P Not a worry though, I could listen to you retell stories all day, you bring so much energy and life and make learning about these myths so engaging! Keep it up!
Thank you so much for those videos it`s a delight to have my memory being refreshed with those wonderful interpretations of those myths. and it`s even better when I learn new ones!
"How did so many people come up with feeding their son to the gods?" So this is actually relatively common in other religions from the time. The Greeks had many issues, but one good thing they did was actively opposing human sacrifice wherever they went. No amount of syncratism was gonna make them okay with human sacrifice, and I can respect that.
"O Muse, sing to me of the man who always saw a way before him." Dael, please do Odysseus. Please do Odysseus, Dael. You gotta, you hafta, you musta. From the Iliad through the Odyssey. A little rundown of Athena's most favourite clever little bastard. I'll buy you a wooden horse if you do it!
The curse manifested itself not just in murders, but also in cannibalism and incest. Also, I am intrigued by the similarities between Pelops and Osiris. There's lots of differences between the stories, but there are too many similarities for them to be unrelated. I would guess that Pelops was based on Osiris, not the other way around, but it is possible, although unlikely, that they both came from a common source.
It's tricky, because sons being cut up by their fathers specifically for eating and then being reassembled by the gods is an honest to goodness motif in Greek myth. It happens to Pelops, Nyctimus, a dozen local variants. With Osiris it was a big deal, but in Greek myth it becomes a little bit dime-a-dozen when you come across it for the fifth time (which of course, I have to acknowledge, might in turn be signalling the importance of the underlying story)
@@MonarchsFactory I wasn't aware of those other stories. Maybe the Greeks liked the idea so much that every little town said, "What a cool story. We want our local hero to have been chopped up and reassembled, too."
The bigger the sacrifice the better it is and first born sons were a big thing back then. Even if people weren't actually doing it, its symbolically a big deal and stuff
How fast is your new chariot? Faster than the northern wind. Just the northern? That's cool, I guess. I mean my dad's ride is faster than two cardinal winds but he owns a daelership.
I'm wondering how that goes in the beginning. "So hey... Listen, sorry about your dad killing you and my sister gnawing on your shoulder but... Look are... Are you doing anything this weekend? Want to see the home of the gods beautiful?" Because I'm not sure how you be smooth in this situation. Also is it me or is Aries actually a pretty decent Olympian father here? I mean he does more for his kid than most divine dads, right?
Managing to end a relationship with a God and NOT being horrifically cursed is doing pretty well in Greek myth. Not to mention being brought back from the dead!
"This is how you flirt, right?"
"No. No, that's a back cramp."
I swear, Dael gets funnier with every video. There's so many golden moments, but the "No, don't die, you're so sexy aha" made me laugh the hardest
"Your son-in-law will kill you."
"Hah! Then I'll make any potential son-in-laws compete with me in a dangerous racing sport! What could possibly go wrong?"
Nice catch xD
Gods, to Tantalus: "Your crimes are unforgivable."
Demeter, with her mouth full: "Hif what?"
Kinda feel like the best and easiest way to defeat a "my son-in-law will kill me" curse is to be super kind to your daughter and tell her about it.
I agree, if he was just open and honest with her, perhaps he could convince her to not marry anyone (or more specifically, any man) and he wouldn't feel like he needed to kill anyone... wait... did he just use it as an excuse to be a serial killer?
The gods had talking roles in this story so the fates/prophecy overrules sensibility
I mean, sure, but in Greek myth specifically avoiding prophecy of any kind is explicitly impossible. The Greeks at this time did not believe in agency in the same way we in the post Christian world do.
Pretty funny how she’s getting better as her channel grows
Jeremy Clarkson: Speed has never killed anyone.
Greek Mythology: Except that one guy.
It's the little interludes like the one at 7:44 that really get me chucking.
Dael, Sarcastically: This is how you flirt right
Me, fanning myself in winter: phh hahaha no, that's not how you flirt
What a pleasant surprise!! I stumbled upon your channel after googling why the American medical symbol is a snake with wings..its from: Asclepius which then led me to your channel. I watched your videos..now I can't stop... I have to hear all the Greek Mythology! can't wait to email grandma all the interesting stories. :D lol keep up the great work!
Wow, Poseidon is actually very sweet in this one
Came for D&D, stayed for hilarious mythology videos
Been a fan of this channel for over a year, and just realized Monarch's Factory was a pun on her last name, King's Mill.
@10:117 As he was falling, the potted petunia thought 'Oh No, not again!'.....
Great video as always!
"The driver's now a ghost that haunts Lesbos, that's fun." Greek mythology is just ridiculous. It's so dense, like you can't talk about one person without mentioning five more. "Hey, is that a ghost?" "Oh, yeah, he just hangs out." "Who is he? How did he get here?" "Well, you see, there was this guy called Tantalus ..."
How is the Pelops-Poseidon-Thing so damn wholesome?
I mean it´s consensual (looking a you Zeus!), no-one dies even when they part and Poseidon is actually super supportive when his Ex gets married. That´s so sweet. Wouldn´t expect that from a Greek myth.
"noo don't die you're so sexy ahaha"
I aim to make all of the "failed" relationships I'm in match Poseidon's level of support in this story.
"We may not be together anymore, but you can still GET IT and I'll make sure you do!!"
Just watched this video on a 4K 55” OLED with surround sound. It was glorious. My dog was in rapt attention. 😅 Thanks for sharing your content!
Love you began with Ghosts and Humans! Dael Kingsmill very well done thank you.
amazing all out, all about artificial this and that, like any one is listening and doing!
Yes, yes that's how flirting works
I would have loved to seen that flirting illustrated.
Also: "Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!"
What I got from the first bit is this is the Greeks' story for why not to do child sacrifice, like there's the Hebrew version with Abraham being given a baby goat to sacrifice in place of his firstborn. Which all tells me that there was a lot of cultural peer pressure going on in the ancient world for people to do child sacrifice, that anyone needed theological tales to explain why we won't be doing that after all thank you.
More likely environmental pressure, not enough food to go around "so they gave some children back to the gods".
The advent of agriculture probably made that unfortunate situation arise much less often and like with all technological leaps there followed a cultural leap and the narratives to go along with it.
I mean this is all speculation on my part. I don't know if this is utter nonsense to anthropologists, a valid theory among many or the broadly agreed upon interpretation of these sorts of Abraham/Tantalus type stories.
I could look it up but that sounds like a hassle.
@@FirstnameLastname-kn5sw Apparently, according to something I listened to just recently, sorry I can't remember the link right now, apparently food scarcity came as a consequence of agriculture, whereas hunter gatherers could keep themselves well-fed by doing only about three hours work a day, outside of natural disasters. Farming forced people to settle in place permanently, meaning they couldn't move around to find alternate food sources, as well as making them more liable to diseases.
Then harvests created surpluses which allowed a population explosion, which resulted in persistent risk of famine in the event of poor harvests, as well as social hierarchy and thus artificial poverty and malnutrition.
There's very little archaelogical evidence about hunter-gather religion (or anything else obviously), although they mostly seem to have been monotheistic, going by the consistent trend of anthropological studies of isolated peoples, but I get the impression that human scarifice in general was a consequence of polytheism, and the attempt to appease deities once they had been allocated "authority" over particular kinds of natural disasters which obviously you can't fend off any other way.
Monotheism conversely tends to a more fatalistic and accepting mentality, that this is someone so high above that he isn't petty like that and he can't be bought off like that, and you just have to accept what comes, while trying to be a good person because the Great Spirit cares for all.
I have no idea how I found your channel but I love the narration style. Thank you.
Actually been "rereading" Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters by audiobook recently. Tantalus shows up as temporary director of activities at Camp Half-Blood. Not sure how accurate the story Tantalus tells of his origins, but apparently he had tried stealing nectar/ambrosia from the gods as he left Mt. Olympus after he had been invited to eat with them. They caught him and shunned him, causing many people around Tantalus to look down on him, even his children supposedly chided him for his wrong-doing.
To get back at both his children and the gods, he killed and cooked his children into the food he served to the gods when he invited them over.
I love how Dael absolutely NAILS Poseidon's slightly douchy "don't die, you're so hot..." stance and then does... that... as flirting.
Dael, you have done this story before. I should know, you are my mythology teacher.
Onomeas, hearing a prophecy about his death and setting up a fairly dangerous race as a precaution to not getting murdered: I'm sure there's no way this will backfire
Also, apparently Ares has faster horses than Poseidon? The God of Horses? Wow ok Poseidon didn't know you're gonna skimp out on your boytoy like that :/
But the funniest part I think is still that Lesbod is haunted by a random chariotier. Just a bunch of gals and their ghost friend Nik (I'm naming the chariotier Nikitas ok)
"I can't even tell the future. I just feed these guys some crazy made up prophecy and they're just dumb enough to make it happen." - The oracle probably.
This video had all the things. Including a brief stint of Dael song!
Listening to you talk about mythology gives me life.
Good work. good viedo.
You should get a sponsorship from Hades: The only game as thirsty as Greek mythology.
The "This is how you flirt, right" reminded me of Molly Shannon's character in Superstar or her character of Sally O' Malley in SNL
The jacket looks great. Cool choice.
“Man-flesh” sent me
Also have you been playing hades? It’d be right up your alley
I was going to comment exactly this. Hades is so good.
Whatever you have done with the lights looks awesome!
In case you put some extra effort into it for this video, I think your hair and makeup look incredible! I also really enjoyed the new story. Keep up the great work...:)
“...I may be a ghost” 💕
I just started reading Dune (well, audiobook, so "reading") after watching some of Matt Colville's videos on the book. So that Agamemnon name-drop and curse seems extra relevant right now, lol.
Everything about this was fantastic, i loved it haha!!!
Loving the new stories xx
Thank you! Such a cool story
You're freaking awesome. Love all your content.
Imagine being Hippodamea's servants.
"Princess Horse-girl, what would like for tea?"
*The new serving girl is snickering.*
*The older servants are staring daggers at the new girl.*
Love the mythology vids! Well done.
Tantalus, the og "it's just a prank" guy.
This video had everything: child chili, ancient bronies, ghost rider, classic thermodynamically-induced wax fatalities, flirting (???), chain reaction death curses...
Loved this!
I like D&D stuff but the mythology is what I always have (and hope to always continue to) come here for! Thank you for the story!
Can you play more Star Wars games?
You should do a video about medusa!
I loved this! I don't think I knew this story, so it was great to hear it.
I have a pet hypothesis that the reason why there are so many cursed dynasties in Greek mythology is because all those mythological kings are based on actual rulers and/or culture heroes from the Mycenaean era, and when the Mycenaean civilisation went belly-up, it was easy for later civilisations to suppose that all those people were actually cursed and doomed and all that
Hi. Are you planning to do a Medusa video soon?
10:31 The fall of House Atreides can be directly attributed to a dude getting kicked from a chariot
I haven't seen one of your myth videos since the Geeks and Sundry days!
Thanks ))) Appreciate All Your Effort and StoryTelling! : )))
You always have such great detail in your stories. Where do you find all the little bits? I once had a copy of Bulfinch's Mythology, but that didn't have near the detail you have in your stories.
I often read a number of different accounts or translations. The Routledge Handbook of Greek Mythology by Robin Hard is excellent, because it summarises most, if not all, major sources and highlights which pieces of information come from which texts - even including conflicting versions. It makes it really easy for me to pick my way through the details that will make the best video.
I believe that book has gone out of print now and can be pretty expensive, but a great free source that does a similar thing is Theoi.com - they include a tonne of direct quotes that signal different primary source you can check, plus they now have a neat archive of translations of those primary texts.
I just finished a binge of your mythology videos and noticed you already did this one back in 2016 :P Not a worry though, I could listen to you retell stories all day, you bring so much energy and life and make learning about these myths so engaging! Keep it up!
She told the first half, not the second.
Thank you so much for those videos it`s a delight to have my memory being refreshed with those wonderful interpretations of those myths.
and it`s even better when I learn new ones!
Always entertaining.
Oh cool, my 5am bedtime story, ty Dael
"Whats happening? Do you have an inner ear infection? Is this some sort of vertigo?"
"I was flirting with you..."
Hang on, is this where we get the phrase "The wheels came off"?
Good to see you making videos again.
Woot, “new” myth video.
I request more stories of the gods being cool with their exes.
8:14 oh my! So saucy
Neat video, my takeaway: "Don't eat people" yes that would be bad.
Also have you been playing Hades? It's exactly your wheelhouse.
"How did so many people come up with feeding their son to the gods?"
So this is actually relatively common in other religions from the time. The Greeks had many issues, but one good thing they did was actively opposing human sacrifice wherever they went.
No amount of syncratism was gonna make them okay with human sacrifice, and I can respect that.
"O Muse, sing to me of the man who always saw a way before him."
Dael, please do Odysseus.
Please do Odysseus, Dael.
You gotta, you hafta, you musta.
From the Iliad through the Odyssey. A little rundown of Athena's most favourite clever little bastard.
I'll buy you a wooden horse if you do it!
At the end there I thought Dael was gonna allude to the sharing the princes as brother husbands or something.
But was the Oracle right? Was his driver somehow his son-in-law?
09:52 - Dael can sing! Though I still prefer "With the jawbone of a donkey, I killed a thousand men..."
Greek myths and gods are one of the best societies for casting some normalcy into the view of the real world.
7:07 Sounds fun ;-)
Bachelor here. Can confirm - yes, that is how to flirt.
Love your content. Thanks.
Dael, have you played Hades yet?? As a professional Mythology Opinion Haver I need your take
1:45 wait that’s an actual part of the myth? I thought that was a joke OSP came up with!
The curse manifested itself not just in murders, but also in cannibalism and incest.
Also, I am intrigued by the similarities between Pelops and Osiris. There's lots of differences between the stories, but there are too many similarities for them to be unrelated. I would guess that Pelops was based on Osiris, not the other way around, but it is possible, although unlikely, that they both came from a common source.
It's tricky, because sons being cut up by their fathers specifically for eating and then being reassembled by the gods is an honest to goodness motif in Greek myth. It happens to Pelops, Nyctimus, a dozen local variants. With Osiris it was a big deal, but in Greek myth it becomes a little bit dime-a-dozen when you come across it for the fifth time (which of course, I have to acknowledge, might in turn be signalling the importance of the underlying story)
@@MonarchsFactory I wasn't aware of those other stories. Maybe the Greeks liked the idea so much that every little town said, "What a cool story. We want our local hero to have been chopped up and reassembled, too."
Dael is my celebrity crush
Awesome
The jacket looked great, twas a good decision.
Moral: Don't bring a car to a plane fight?
I'll just go again...
so, who's working on the gifs? :P
I read "Tarantulas and People" and that would have been a very different video.
The bigger the sacrifice the better it is and first born sons were a big thing back then. Even if people weren't actually doing it, its symbolically a big deal and stuff
So when does the "adapt Mythic Odysseys of Theros to true Greek Mythology"
Tantalus's name is where we get the English word tantalize, which is to tease with something out of reach.
Oh no, Dael is turning into Dennis!
How fast is your new chariot?
Faster than the northern wind.
Just the northern? That's cool, I guess. I mean my dad's ride is faster than two cardinal winds but he owns a daelership.
"I dont know how I feel about that choice I just made."
No dislikes so far.
I srsly love you xD
I should sleep... But mythology fun times!
Extra dark-elf to day, aren't we?
Common Dale W 😂😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Have you heard the myth of Omar?
I'm wondering how that goes in the beginning. "So hey... Listen, sorry about your dad killing you and my sister gnawing on your shoulder but... Look are... Are you doing anything this weekend? Want to see the home of the gods beautiful?" Because I'm not sure how you be smooth in this situation.
Also is it me or is Aries actually a pretty decent Olympian father here? I mean he does more for his kid than most divine dads, right?
So you're saying Pelops is the only guy in all of mythology to have a positive experience overall with gods?
Poseidon really is that fuqboi ahahaha