A really cool dude I worked with told me something that I can't forget. He said measure with a micrometer, mark with paint, cut with a chainsaw. And it's so true.
I have never used one of these that was premade, although we did fab a jig once out of plywood for anchor bolt layout in footers. Ours was a template for the anchor bolts that had a drilled and tapped hole for the P-Nut to mount in at the column CL so we could set the template square it using the string lines and asbuilt the location then remove the prism leaving the template for the crew to hang the bolts from. I like the magnetic feet on the Atlas, I can see where that would really come in handy on industrial sites. The improvement I see that is needed would be to have those broad feet to be caps that are removeable leaving pointed feet that could be used on uneven surfaces, i can see where the flat feet would not be a solid point of contact for stability in some situations that might allow wobble.
The feet on the ATLAS have 50% more articulation than off the shelf products, they conform very well to uneven surfaces. We will be offering feet that slip over the existing foot that have 3 points of contact.
Worth noting that the marksman is also available in a cheaper non laser version. I do a lot of grid line set out on concrete slabs and have considered the marksman. However I acquired a Rothbucher systems set out target (one of their mini prisms on a flat base with neat sliding system). Downside is it relies on the ground being both flat and level, which for the floor slabs I work on is generally the case. It also works on walls, although assuming vertical and smooth. I've not seen the atlas before; is it available in Europe?
I have not had the pleasure of trying the Rothbucher system, it does look very handy when used in the manner you describe. The ATLAS is a bit more of a all terrain beast!
Atlas looks interesting. But what is the price of that toy? I'm a bit worried that price would be too crazy to justify. I work on construction and mini prism just does a good enough job for me and all my colleagues.
Yep used a mini prism for years. If you need a higher degree of accuracy I would recommend the Atlas. Depends on what you’re doing. This thing is almost 4k. Lots of that is his cost on machining.
@@SurveyingWithRobert well that's exactly what I was thinking. 4k is quite big bunch of money.... if you're looking for a higher degree of accuracy there are other options like the ball prisms for instance - and definitely cheaper. Plus, this thing is suitable only for 2D work if I'm not mistaken.... Nice idea but this pricetag is a dealbreaker unfortunately.
That depends on what you're laying out? House foundation corners, keep your mini. High-rise building, factory or mill fit up, or any project where you want to be the most accurate and precise surveyor on any site? Get an ATLAS!
@@talismantechnicalsolutions2792 all the bridge surveyors I know can do with mini prism. Even for the bearings. Mini prism on 10cm height is really accurate enough for most situations. Or you can use some bipod to stabilize it if required. For some specific accurate tasks we used ball prisms. Yes I can imagine using Altlas for some tasks but sorry, that price is too high. And most people will rather try to use alternative way.
Keeping survey layout tight is not about the accuracy of a few bolts, it's about the consistency of the entire project over a long duration. Survey accuracy does not improve over time. Keep it tight, keep it right!
It didn't take much research to figure out why your comparing the two in such outrageous ways. Let's go over how they both came to be again. Is that how they do business up in Canada? Buy American.
Magnetic feet? lol for what? So it can get stuck. If I see a layout guy trying to set a point inside a rebar cage I'll check the drawing just to be sure before calling him and his Foreman into my office with all of their tools. If you're a Surveyor I won't have to explain, to everyone else don't be fooled by this. I couldn't watch another second. You would want a smaller, more accurate bubble? Lmao. At least the red one looks designed for layout. That other contraption looks like it would pull possum if you grabbed it wrong. Not trying to wreck you're little laser party but man we need these guys puttin points on the ground not trying to get followers on ig. And I'll bet that screw on the side tightens those legs. I'll bet that one with all the bells and whistles is a cheap knockoff its hard to make it out right but is that a patent on the red one?
A really cool dude I worked with told me something that I can't forget. He said measure with a micrometer, mark with paint, cut with a chainsaw. And it's so true.
I really appreciate you making videos. Thanks Dude
I have never used one of these that was premade, although we did fab a jig once out of plywood for anchor bolt layout in footers. Ours was a template for the anchor bolts that had a drilled and tapped hole for the P-Nut to mount in at the column CL so we could set the template square it using the string lines and asbuilt the location then remove the prism leaving the template for the crew to hang the bolts from. I like the magnetic feet on the Atlas, I can see where that would really come in handy on industrial sites. The improvement I see that is needed would be to have those broad feet to be caps that are removeable leaving pointed feet that could be used on uneven surfaces, i can see where the flat feet would not be a solid point of contact for stability in some situations that might allow wobble.
The feet on the ATLAS have 50% more articulation than off the shelf products, they conform very well to uneven surfaces. We will be offering feet that slip over the existing foot that have 3 points of contact.
3:49 Nice green scree.... I mean "shop"! 😂
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Those are really neat pieces of kit. For now Ill probably stick with peanut prism at the bottom of my pole.
Hey can do a video on how to compute a bearing and distance on a tsc7?
Do you have a link you can provide for the Atlas website?
If you are on your phone it’s in the notes below the video. Hit “more”
I like the magnetic feet on the Atlas. Wish they made magnetic attachments for the bipod to hold onto rebar. Do they?
Worth noting that the marksman is also available in a cheaper non laser version. I do a lot of grid line set out on concrete slabs and have considered the marksman. However I acquired a Rothbucher systems set out target (one of their mini prisms on a flat base with neat sliding system). Downside is it relies on the ground being both flat and level, which for the floor slabs I work on is generally the case. It also works on walls, although assuming vertical and smooth. I've not seen the atlas before; is it available in Europe?
I put a link in the notes. He will sell anywhere
I have not had the pleasure of trying the Rothbucher system, it does look very handy when used in the manner you describe. The ATLAS is a bit more of a all terrain beast!
i use the klimax and rothbucher system
nice video. The marksman seems only productive when staking out on flat concrete. The kit from John Widden is much more versitale imho.
Agreed, I don’t like having to drag the marksman into place.
Atlas looks interesting. But what is the price of that toy? I'm a bit worried that price would be too crazy to justify. I work on construction and mini prism just does a good enough job for me and all my colleagues.
Yep used a mini prism for years. If you need a higher degree of accuracy I would recommend the Atlas. Depends on what you’re doing. This thing is almost 4k. Lots of that is his cost on machining.
@@SurveyingWithRobert well that's exactly what I was thinking. 4k is quite big bunch of money.... if you're looking for a higher degree of accuracy there are other options like the ball prisms for instance - and definitely cheaper. Plus, this thing is suitable only for 2D work if I'm not mistaken.... Nice idea but this pricetag is a dealbreaker unfortunately.
That depends on what you're laying out? House foundation corners, keep your mini.
High-rise building, factory or mill fit up, or any project where you want to be the most accurate and precise surveyor on any site? Get an ATLAS!
@@talismantechnicalsolutions2792 all the bridge surveyors I know can do with mini prism. Even for the bearings. Mini prism on 10cm height is really accurate enough for most situations. Or you can use some bipod to stabilize it if required. For some specific accurate tasks we used ball prisms. Yes I can imagine using Altlas for some tasks but sorry, that price is too high. And most people will rather try to use alternative way.
What are you using for a total station?
Atlas is better but more expensive.
Is anybody going to say it, they can't build it that tight 😔
Keeping survey layout tight is not about the accuracy of a few bolts, it's about the consistency of the entire project over a long duration.
Survey accuracy does not improve over time.
Keep it tight, keep it right!
It didn't take much research to figure out why your comparing the two in such outrageous ways. Let's go over how they both came to be again. Is that how they do business up in Canada?
Buy American.
Glad you liked video!
Magnetic feet? lol for what? So it can get stuck. If I see a layout guy trying to set a point inside a rebar cage I'll check the drawing just to be sure before calling him and his Foreman into my office with all of their tools. If you're a Surveyor I won't have to explain, to everyone else don't be fooled by this. I couldn't watch another second. You would want a smaller, more accurate bubble? Lmao. At least the red one looks designed for layout. That other contraption looks like it would pull possum if you grabbed it wrong. Not trying to wreck you're little laser party but man we need these guys puttin points on the ground not trying to get followers on ig.
And I'll bet that screw on the side tightens those legs. I'll bet that one with all the bells and whistles is a cheap knockoff its hard to make it out right but is that a patent on the red one?
Lucky for you these are not a requirement just an option 😉