Okay, I hope that Charles (and Steve!) making great points in the first two thirds of this ep. doesn't get completely drowned out by the response to the last third portion. I really think that convo. from the entire table around Monkey Man and Deadpool and how they relate to the entire filmmaking ecosystem is a really really needed discourse to be engaged in seriously in long-form content and I want more of that.
Ive actually changed my mind on him, so I respectfully disagree: When he does watch a show he ends up either not paying attention, already deciding his take before watching, and/or just not understanding what he's watching and why. It turns out when he doesnt watch *at all* he sounds the same as when he claims to and apparently everyone over there is fine with that. So, fuck it, why watch any of the shows at all? If the paychecks are coming no matter what AND theyre happy with his contributions to the pod, why not spend the days doing activities + hobbies he enjoys instead? Or shit, get some remote freelance job and bring in a secondary revenue stream with all the free time.
I was annoyed at first with Charles. But I reminded myself that it's not that serious. I don't think anyone is legitimately relying on Charles's opinion on The Penguin and Agatha to determine if they are going to watch the show or not. This rating thing is more for fun/content. I don't agree with Charles's takes, but I'm trying not to let it bother me too much...trying 😭
Not gonna lie Charles defending Steve and putting van on, is the first time I've ever agreed with Charles. Steve monkey man point I found Poiniant and Charles take on it vs Deadpool vs wolverine was too good. Obviously just my opinion.!
really appreciated how your discussion on movie ratings expanded into what the movies mean to the broader industry/ecosystem. y'all are way more thoughtful about this than the studio execs
Yeah Charles’ whole “you guys seriously expect me to watch this slop” bit has gotten a little grating since it moved fully into “I’m just here to talk about how much I hate my job” cause shit, man, get to the back of the line then if that’s your thing. Any of us would gladly watch slop and talk about it for our jobs 😂
The conversation about Gladiator II and Furiosa both being unnecessary sequels was solid. Would love to see you guys look at some abandoned sequel concepts (like the Christ Killer Gladiator II) and rate how well they would’ve worked
Imagine you had to turn in a school paper and your teacher gave you a D- on the paper then at the end of the semester you findout the teacher didn't even read the paper. That teacher is Charles
Sorry but Charles docking X-Men 97 1 point is literally docking the point for docking's sake.And that come from someone who haven't watch the show yet so literally no dogs in the game. Like I understand the reason for Kingdom of POTA, he's docking 1-2 points because at first he thought it's great, but then he realize he didn't think about it that much so 8 is like some point at the moment, in the "hype" so it need down a little. Kinda fair. But then you docking XMen 97 for the same reason, when you already gave it 6? You already thought it not that good already, of course you don't think about it that much then why you're docking the point now for not thinking about it?
I can see why some people will go with Brutalist or Anora or any other movie as number 1 but what Denis Villeneuve archived with Dune 2 is truly remarkable and it will the benchmark for sci-fi movies going forward.
Damn charles 3 for invincible season 2? I know it wasn’t as good as season 1 but jeez. You also can’t rate shows if you haven’t finished them that’s crazy
The best part of Agatha and the penguin are the endings . If Charles didn’t see the endings he can’t rate these shows and fails to understand what made those shows good
Another Hip-Hop radio classic is Camron trolling 50 in an interview via phone calling him "Curtis". Then, 50 used his government name for the title of his next album.
i got a friend JUST like Charles. If everybody loves something hes like thats MID and when everybody thinks something is trash hes like i didnt think it was bad
Still surprises me that some people expect serious criticism from Charles. He's obviously the Fox News of critique, there for the laughs, not to be taken seriously
also surprised that with all of the cam'ron and 50 talk, no one brought up cam'ron calling angie martinez while 50 was there and unleashing the 'CURTIS!' rant
Truly the Armond White of fandom. It is inspirational to see how someone can just wing it and DNF multiple shows AND still get paid. Cash that check, Charles. Maybe one day I too can get paid for doing as little as I can. 🤞
I really am so glad DKR is getting the fine wine treatment. Great movie and almost perfect ending to a trilogy. It had way too much to live up to and people were naturally gonna be too harsh on it.
It’s a good movie if not a really good movie. But it came in the wake of a great movie with a transcendent performance. I think people dinged it at the time for this, but now it’s being properly appreciated.
@ 1000% this but I think you can make the claim it came on the heels of a transcendent movie as well. TDK changed so much not in just comic book movie but movies in general.
At this point, I wish they would replace Charles with Kerm. Charles is no negative to the point of making the pod completely unenjoyable. I used to love listening to the Midnight Boys but haven't listed in months due to Charles's negativity.
There's one thing I didn't like - what's entertaining to someone is objective. You can't tell someone that Deadpool & Wolverine was more 'entertaining' than Furiosa - we all enjoy different things and can't police what we take satisfaction from. We can always debate what is a better movie but personal feelings aren't something we can have an authority over.
what world is van living in where the success of deadpool & wolverine leads to ANY studio suddenly going "yes let's bring back the theatrical mid-budget thriller“ l genuinely want to know. get fennessy on the pod to back steve & charles up here tbh
Not trying to glaze lol but the "if the baton ain't being passed to me then I'm gonna take it" was 🤌🏽. Loved that Monkey Man discussion! Excellent points all around!
4 & 5 for two of the better shows of the year isn't serious at all. I really hope Charles is able to find joy in other areas of life & doesn't go through his day to day just trying to come up with the most unique way to criticize things that are mostly fun. I guess I just don't get what we're doing here anymore. I like nerd content & want to hear people break it down & be excited about it. Just feels like we're going into things predisposed to not liking it & then the focus is on who can be the most clever about tearing it down. It's getting less fun to listen.
Shame on him. It's the original film reheated in a microwave, with a massively less charismatic/credible lead and is utter slop. Had nothing new to say and an utter cash grab. His talent aside he's a fool bigging up this trash.
@@dcro1211 Shame on everyone who doesn't have enough balls to admit Paul Mescal was really good in the lead role. This effing film could very well get nominated for BEST PICTURE at Oscars! If it doesn't it will be just outside the top 10. So, yeah shame on whatever critics, talking heads in TH-cam, and the casuals... Because none of them are really giving Mescal his props. Mescal is in almost every scene of the film. Denzel was great, yes, of course... Denzel was great because he played it like he was doing a Shakespeare. IMO, Paul Mescal was TOO; maybe I just know more about Shakespeare than most...
@JP47471 Mescal is a tremendous talent. Woefully miscast in this. You have the lowest of standards if you're talking Oscars?!...For this?! It's a photocopy of the original and with the toner running out. No accounting for taste but I can guarantee you this movie will leave the Oscars untroubled.
I didn’t like Agatha until the Billy origin and the finale made the whole series work for me. X-men 97 isn’t just a blue print for the X-men but all of marvel. The drama of the MCU has been weak post endgame. Too many brand conscious decisions. We need more characters crashing out on each other.
Not to be a hater but imo 12 has no meaning anymore. “I loved it” is a 10 imo. A remake of a show people loved that was good again or a sequel to a movie people loved is not changing the game to me.
Joker has gone up to 6/10 for me, just for the ire it produces to its adult fans. Why are you taking it so personally? The movie was a -messy, uncoordinated, weird, unreasonably musical- deconstruction on the the pretentious fandom of the first movie. Being so upset that your fave is not a cool hero, which was evident in part 1, come on. I'm never watching it again, but i'm glad it exists
Charles not finishing a show and then having the audacity to score is crazy 😢. That's a DNF for sure 😂
Next time Charles is about to not finish a show...he needs to remember Kerm is looming on the horizon
Okay, I hope that Charles (and Steve!) making great points in the first two thirds of this ep. doesn't get completely drowned out by the response to the last third portion. I really think that convo. from the entire table around Monkey Man and Deadpool and how they relate to the entire filmmaking ecosystem is a really really needed discourse to be engaged in seriously in long-form content and I want more of that.
Charles, you're disqualified from rating things you didn't actually finish watching.
Facts
Ive actually changed my mind on him, so I respectfully disagree:
When he does watch a show he ends up either not paying attention, already deciding his take before watching, and/or just not understanding what he's watching and why.
It turns out when he doesnt watch *at all* he sounds the same as when he claims to and apparently everyone over there is fine with that. So, fuck it, why watch any of the shows at all?
If the paychecks are coming no matter what AND theyre happy with his contributions to the pod, why not spend the days doing activities + hobbies he enjoys instead? Or shit, get some remote freelance job and bring in a secondary revenue stream with all the free time.
Indeed. Not finishing something indicates that you're not serious about evaluating a work of fiction's quality.
@@panckreousexcellent take here.
I was annoyed at first with Charles. But I reminded myself that it's not that serious. I don't think anyone is legitimately relying on Charles's opinion on The Penguin and Agatha to determine if they are going to watch the show or not. This rating thing is more for fun/content. I don't agree with Charles's takes, but I'm trying not to let it bother me too much...trying 😭
1:35:16 Charles stop playing. You know you wouldn’t pull up to any other pod not doing your homework. Someone get Bill Simmons to talk to this man.
Grandma Charles the agent of chaos in his cardigan. 😂
Grandpa chic is tremendous
Charles admitting he didn't finish those shows is like a crazy ass season finale twist
Charles is the Skip Bayless of this show. I don't take a single thing he says seriously.
So accurate lol
Ooof
Amen
100%
Yooooo I can't un-see it now. Charles takes are just a person with too much time spent thinking about this shit.
1:46:05 Jomi too solid for the hairline save mid crash out 😂😂
Charles’ fit looks like he won a contest to raid Hasan Piker’s closet
Not gonna lie Charles defending Steve and putting van on, is the first time I've ever agreed with Charles. Steve monkey man point I found Poiniant and Charles take on it vs Deadpool vs wolverine was too good. Obviously just my opinion.!
And you’re absolutely spot on!!!
Van is too self assured. Bad for podding. Have some curiosity dude .
agreed. it felt like van was arguing just to be arguing tbh. I'm not sure how anyone reasonable can not understand Steve and Charles' points.
Shout out to Steve for staying strong with that Nigerian Special agent bit. It would’ve been way worse if he stopped and got uncomfortable
really appreciated how your discussion on movie ratings expanded into what the movies mean to the broader industry/ecosystem. y'all are way more thoughtful about this than the studio execs
Charles should’ve stayed on vacation. Rating things he did not finish watching is just insane 🤣
Lol Charles cops to not doing the easiest part of his objectively easy job
Yeah Charles’ whole “you guys seriously expect me to watch this slop” bit has gotten a little grating since it moved fully into “I’m just here to talk about how much I hate my job” cause shit, man, get to the back of the line then if that’s your thing. Any of us would gladly watch slop and talk about it for our jobs 😂
I switched from Spotify to TH-cam just for the Charles backlash
The conversation about Gladiator II and Furiosa both being unnecessary sequels was solid. Would love to see you guys look at some abandoned sequel concepts (like the Christ Killer Gladiator II) and rate how well they would’ve worked
Van’s face as Charles is trying to rationalize NOT watching all the episodes…😂😂😂 1:36:37
Nahhhh the 5 for X-men ‘97 can’t be serious
It feels like Charles looks at what everybody likes and goes "alright, I'm gonna take the opposite opinion".
@@Regenmacher175Contrarians make for compelling content 😅
Charles gonna Charles
@@gabalexa I would have given Shogun a 5 just to spite him, lol. See how he feels when the shoe is on the other foot.
@@Regenmacher175 a contrarian for sure 😂
I was with Chuck in the beginning. And, then we hit that corner towards the end and I, like Steve, and ready to fight him. Lol. Chuck! Wtf man?!
Ya! He was dialed in at first like he used to be, I got hopeful. Ah well
Imagine you had to turn in a school paper and your teacher gave you a D- on the paper then at the end of the semester you findout the teacher didn't even read the paper. That teacher is Charles
aye shout out to jomi if that's a red vs blue shirt, that's a man of culture right there
Sorry but Charles docking X-Men 97 1 point is literally docking the point for docking's sake.And that come from someone who haven't watch the show yet so literally no dogs in the game.
Like I understand the reason for Kingdom of POTA, he's docking 1-2 points because at first he thought it's great, but then he realize he didn't think about it that much so 8 is like some point at the moment, in the "hype" so it need down a little. Kinda fair.
But then you docking XMen 97 for the same reason, when you already gave it 6? You already thought it not that good already, of course you don't think about it that much then why you're docking the point now for not thinking about it?
Purely docking a point for attention - clown activity
@@random5299 no no, you dont understand. he is a serious critic. we know that because he tells us constantly.
Love Van’s and Jommie’s reaction at 1:38:00 - difference in generations. Great podcast guys!
Damn that moment was a microcosm of modern culture
Charles is right about deadpool and wolverine. It’s everything that’s wrong with modern filmmaking.
People who dislike Charles just cant handle the truth
He ate Van up
Most movies are not being made like it. Felt strawman like
Chuck gave a really fair take on Deadpool and Wolverine.
Charles is a psychopath bruh
Lmfaoooo deadass
I can see why some people will go with Brutalist or Anora or any other movie as number 1 but what Denis Villeneuve archived with Dune 2 is truly remarkable and it will the benchmark for sci-fi movies going forward.
Thing is, there aren't many Dunes out there. It's **the** sci-fi book. The film isn't going to spawn a trend of ones like it that are successful.
When Charles says “I’m gonna stay fair” 😂😂😂😂
Damn charles 3 for invincible season 2? I know it wasn’t as good as season 1 but jeez. You also can’t rate shows if you haven’t finished them that’s crazy
Dont get charles hating everything he sees... is like he is in the wrong line of job
charles might be the most unserious critic lol. stick to guest spots on dissect my good brother
The best part of Agatha and the penguin are the endings . If Charles didn’t see the endings he can’t rate these shows and fails to understand what made those shows good
So if Charles is out on every movie and show does that mean he'll be out of the pod next year?
The acolyte deserved a season 2. Plenty of shows that have a lot to work with have a rocky first season
Another Hip-Hop radio classic is Camron trolling 50 in an interview via phone calling him "Curtis". Then, 50 used his government name for the title of his next album.
1:56:05 - With the overall average scores, I think they did pretty well
i got a friend JUST like Charles. If everybody loves something hes like thats MID and when everybody thinks something is trash hes like i didnt think it was bad
37:31 Wow new villain of the show. Ez to just not listen to him anymore MANS WILDIN
I didn’t watch Dune 2, but I would give it a 4. Have to be honest.
Chucks hot takes are so exhausting
Completely unrelated…but Charles’ fits are always *chef’s kiss* 🙂↕️
Pew pew
I never take Charles seriously and this supports that, not surprised, kinda surprised he admitted it
Still surprises me that some people expect serious criticism from Charles. He's obviously the Fox News of critique, there for the laughs, not to be taken seriously
I’m tripping or we didn’t get the Matrix Resurrections re rank?
Does Charles dress like that all the time
looking LA as shit
The cords should be tapered, but do not see a problem with the fit
Haven’t gotten to the TV Talk but the Monkey Man discussion was Midnight Men ™️
Charles tryna get a permanent seat on The Watch
Gosling in the last decade: "The Big Short", "The Nice Guys", "La La Land", "Blade Runner 2049". "First Man", "Barbie", "The Fall Guy". Epic run.
Nostalgia is working overtime on Xmen 97.
Charles is the final boss of contrarians, I don’t even think he believes the cap he spits 😂😂😂
Charles is now a chaos agent, not finishing shows, never goes above a 5, most unserious
Charles keeping it 100. so good & doing the necessary work. stand your ground against these.
"Doing the necessary work". He didn't even finish the shows bro, lol 😅
@@thunderbandit5172 if you finished all the seasons of TV they discussed on this episode, thats a You problem not a Charles problem lmao.
@flangeslammer he is the one getting paid to watch and opine. He can just bow out if he DNF
Nigerian asset is CRAZY Steve 😂
the silence after that was deafening
also surprised that with all of the cam'ron and 50 talk, no one brought up cam'ron calling angie martinez while 50 was there and unleashing the 'CURTIS!' rant
Truly the Armond White of fandom. It is inspirational to see how someone can just wing it and DNF multiple shows AND still get paid. Cash that check, Charles. Maybe one day I too can get paid for doing as little as I can. 🤞
Nigerian 007??? PLAY THE DRUMS!!!
DAMN, Charles is just full o shit huh? 🤣 His takes are insane and now I know why. That bullshit he said about Penguin actually blew my mind.
I’ll always be a Matrix Reloaded defender. I love that movie
Need to hear Kerm’s midnight meter for X-Men 97
Gottaaaaa Disqualify Charles’ scores for Agatha and Penguin hahaha
Wow I missed this episode
Okay after that X-Men 97 take I think I'll just stick to the House of R, Y'all are lost in the Sauce
Jomi is all of us attacking Chuck.
Damn, all charles has to do for his job is sit down at home and just look at something, and cant even do that. Insane.
I really am so glad DKR is getting the fine wine treatment.
Great movie and almost perfect ending to a trilogy. It had way too much to live up to and people were naturally gonna be too harsh on it.
It’s a good movie if not a really good movie. But it came in the wake of a great movie with a transcendent performance. I think people dinged it at the time for this, but now it’s being properly appreciated.
@ 1000% this but I think you can make the claim it came on the heels of a transcendent movie as well. TDK changed so much not in just comic book movie but movies in general.
At this point, I wish they would replace Charles with Kerm. Charles is no negative to the point of making the pod completely unenjoyable. I used to love listening to the Midnight Boys but haven't listed in months due to Charles's negativity.
Dope show, Fellas…Surprised Fallout didn’t make the cut!
Never been here so early
Manjumeel boys
The goat life
6:51 HR HR !!
There's one thing I didn't like - what's entertaining to someone is objective. You can't tell someone that Deadpool & Wolverine was more 'entertaining' than Furiosa - we all enjoy different things and can't police what we take satisfaction from. We can always debate what is a better movie but personal feelings aren't something we can have an authority over.
All time post credits.
What word did they bleep during the HotD segment? Language doesn’t seem like a factor for this pod
Probably gypped. And yes it is offensive. Not sure they needed to censor it. Just a learning moment
what world is van living in where the success of deadpool & wolverine leads to ANY studio suddenly going "yes let's bring back the theatrical mid-budget thriller“ l genuinely want to know. get fennessy on the pod to back steve & charles up here tbh
Charles this episode = 🧢 🧢🧢
Everyone’s opinions on the shows/movies are pretty good. Charles made this episode blah
Charles think he can hate on people wearing that sweater pants combo ok Flanders 😂
Charles is a joke. A 3 for Deadpool and Wolverine? Turn in your cred card, Chuck.
Not trying to glaze lol but the "if the baton ain't being passed to me then I'm gonna take it" was 🤌🏽. Loved that Monkey Man discussion! Excellent points all around!
Penguin being higher than HOTD is brazy
Talking about monkey man for that long is WILLLLLLLLDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Where’s Arcane?!?!?!
Giving X97 a 5 is criminal! He gotta go sit somewhere for a sec 😭
Charles = Squidward irl
4 & 5 for two of the better shows of the year isn't serious at all. I really hope Charles is able to find joy in other areas of life & doesn't go through his day to day just trying to come up with the most unique way to criticize things that are mostly fun. I guess I just don't get what we're doing here anymore. I like nerd content & want to hear people break it down & be excited about it. Just feels like we're going into things predisposed to not liking it & then the focus is on who can be the most clever about tearing it down. It's getting less fun to listen.
Gangggg
Charles is right 95% of the time. But bruh. You gotta finish the shows. 😂
Thumbnail gets a 12 on the MM for being certifiably GAMECHANGING
Please let kerm take over
Nah, Steve is good on the pod. 🫡 to Kerm, he should still make appearances and be a fill in host
Gladiator 2
Is Chris Nolan's favorite film of the year
That is facts.
Shame on him. It's the original film reheated in a microwave, with a massively less charismatic/credible lead and is utter slop. Had nothing new to say and an utter cash grab. His talent aside he's a fool bigging up this trash.
I feel like that tells me he's seen like 2 movies this year lmfao
@@dcro1211 Shame on everyone who doesn't have enough balls to admit Paul Mescal was really good in the lead role. This effing film could very well get nominated for BEST PICTURE at Oscars! If it doesn't it will be just outside the top 10. So, yeah shame on whatever critics, talking heads in TH-cam, and the casuals... Because none of them are really giving Mescal his props. Mescal is in almost every scene of the film. Denzel was great, yes, of course... Denzel was great because he played it like he was doing a Shakespeare. IMO, Paul Mescal was TOO; maybe I just know more about Shakespeare than most...
@@Weaponator18 I know for a fact Chris Nolan has seen Dune 2. Just saying. He's probably seen Furiosa and Deadpool 3 as well...
@JP47471 Mescal is a tremendous talent. Woefully miscast in this. You have the lowest of standards if you're talking Oscars?!...For this?! It's a photocopy of the original and with the toner running out. No accounting for taste but I can guarantee you this movie will leave the Oscars untroubled.
Man… y’all gotta get Van some good weed & make him watch the last airbender show
Bro Charles is full of shit, he’s got a super easy job watching media and he don’t even do his job. Lmao why even take him seriously
Chuck is a meta-troll
I didn’t like Agatha until the Billy origin and the finale made the whole series work for me.
X-men 97 isn’t just a blue print for the X-men but all of marvel. The drama of the MCU has been weak post endgame. Too many brand conscious decisions. We need more characters crashing out on each other.
Everyone else is saying it, but for real: Fire Charles. He’s not even doing his job anymore and he’s bringing down the show
Charles not finishing Agatha is so messed up. The last 2 eps make you completely rethink the series
Not to be a hater but imo 12 has no meaning anymore. “I loved it” is a 10 imo. A remake of a show people loved that was good again or a sequel to a movie people loved is not changing the game to me.
Joker has gone up to 6/10 for me, just for the ire it produces to its adult fans. Why are you taking it so personally? The movie was a -messy, uncoordinated, weird, unreasonably musical- deconstruction on the the pretentious fandom of the first movie. Being so upset that your fave is not a cool hero, which was evident in part 1, come on. I'm never watching it again, but i'm glad it exists
i'm drawing the lines with charles. giving x-men 97 a 5? that's offensive