As a committed and militant atheist, I thank you for putting forward this explanation in a neutral and non-preachy way, but as an instructional work on the texts and politics around them. I'll check out some of your other videos.
So I am ex mormon turned born again Christian after 37 years. The thing I am trying to help my family and friends understand is that the Bible was not changed by wicked men as the Book of Mormon falsely asserts. Mormons say this is the Nicene Council but what are some good resources, videos to help show Mormons that the Nicene Creed was not evil?
Bible tells what God has done for us, and that is important; the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ, tells what God did for us and who God is, hence, Book of Mormon the most correct book on earth; Apostle Paul was correct to start all letters of his emphasizing the Father and Son are 2 different people. And One sent the other to earth. Hence, there is prior life to this world.
Omg that was soo helpful!!! Thank you so much, because I have a test on this coming up and the teacher gave us no notes so This is perfect. And I also like the important texts during the video because I can write them down. 10/10
In Nicea they didn't understand that the Holy Spirit is the Father. In other terms the Father is here in the limited form of a spirit "God is a spirit". ("Spirit" means that NOBODY is here in reality to speak the God's words, i.e. God is absent). Jesus has thus the Father who is a spirit and calls Him sometimes "Father", sometimes "Spirit (Holy)" according to circumstances. But they are just two equivalent names. For example Jesus could say "..but blasphemy against the Father will not be forgiven..." in an equivalent manner.
Orthodox is the only form of Christianity that actually has kept the original Nicene creed. From the council of nicea until Rome changed it. But orthodoxy kept it. The true church
I pray that Allah swt revives true\original Christianity protects and preserves it and make its massage be heard and witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time the secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits so to that I say plant the seeds of Christianity in its purest\original\true form make the seeds grow be fruitful and multiple after all Allah swt made a promise in the quran not too the Muslims but to the Christians that till the day of resurection Allah swt will make Christians above\better then islam\muslims Best regards from a Muslim
Nicene Creed was established in 325 After Christ, not based off of the teaching of Christ but off of their interpretation of Christ. The Bible was translated from Aramaic to Koine Greek somewhere in the 1st to 3rd century do to a significant amount of Jews being educated in that language eventually causing the extinction of Aramaic. Jesus spoke Aramaic, The Aramaic word for God is אלהא Elāhā ( Biblical Aramaic), Muslims call God Allah. This is not a coincidence.
_"Muslims call God Allah. This is not a coincidence"_ No, obviously it's not a coincidence that Arabic speaking people call God... the Arabic word for God.
@@kingtairon4612 No, he spoke another Semitic language from the same region. You're right, what a coincidence that languages from the same family use similar words. Remarkable. You'll be amazed to hear what Gott (German), Gud (Danish, Norwegian, Swedish) and God (Dutch, English) all mean.
@@Mic1904 Sarcastic people usually have a fear problem, tell me what do you fear? That Jesus worshipped Allah, or maybe that Jesus is a Prophet of Islam and that he submitted his will to Allah just like all the Prophets before him, and he spoke of the coming of Prophet Mohammed?
@@kingtairon4612 _"Sarcastic people usually have a fear problem"_ Source? You realise just stating something quasi-philosophical that you scribbled on the back of a candy wrapper doesn't actually make it true. _"tell me what do you fear?"_ That there's a Purgatory where one has to relive this conversation thousands of times as a test of patience. _"That Jesus worshipped Allah"_ As in, God? That is not controversial. Basic Christian theology. _"or maybe that Jesus is a Prophet"_ Yup. Definitely a Prophet. Prophet, Priest and King. Basic Christian theology. _"of Islam"_ Only if He had a time machine and went to the future, when Islam was invented _"and that he submitted his will to Allah just like all the Prophets before him"_ Allah being the Arabic word for 'God', correct. This is basic Christian theology. That He did indeed have the role of Prophet in submission to God. _"and he spoke of the coming of Prophet Mohammed?"_ Source?
Good video but falls into the trap regarding orthodoxy at the time of the council. At the time there was no such thing as orthodoxy and Arianism was just one of many different christologies that were around at the time. History is about winners and losers and proto orthodox Christianity which is now considered to be mainstream was the most popular and better organised. It also benefitted from imperial patronage. If Marcian had won the day Christianity would have been very different.
* Didn't they essentially challenge by vote YHWH's aseity stating that His existence is dependent on the ousia? Wasn't this line of thinking condemned in 267 A.D. at the Synod of Antioch? Hey let's vote on it also and call it another progressive revelation.*
In fact, originally the Christ should have sinful nature, but eventually eradicated it through practice. Why? For more details, please watch the sermon of the Light of Wisdom Church, welcome everyone to study and discuss together. Video “The Trinity ｜God from God, Light from Light｜Reincarnation | I Am the way, the truth and the life 08” If you think it makes sense, we must not only believe it ourselves, but also spread it to more people. Evangelism is not only the job of pastors, but also the responsibility of every believer. This is also the aspect that the Lord values most when ascending to the kingdom of heaven.
approvedofGod just because it doesnt mention a specific word doesnt mean it doesnt exist 🤦♀️ you can use that same logic for a multitude of other things in the Bible and you will see how that falls flat in logical comprehension of scripture. Jesus speaks of the Father, when Jesus is risen he leaves the Holy Spirit, thats just one example.
I think you might misunderstand. I’m pretty sure the multiple theories of atonement would be something like substitutionary atonement vs Christus victor. In both of these, Jesus’s work is the way by which we are atoned. They just differ on exactly how He atoned for us.
As a committed and militant atheist, I thank you for putting forward this explanation in a neutral and non-preachy way, but as an instructional work on the texts and politics around them. I'll check out some of your other videos.
If you don't mind me asking as an atheist why are you watching this particular video or similar videos
Militant atheist? Haven't met one who isn't. If you don't have faith than why try to destroy others?
Atleast agnostics admit they don't know 100%.
Why are you atheist?
Hey are you the ones who created the zondervan dictionary?
Rise and shine Pilates
Thank God for the Holy catholic and apostolic church and the creeds she has produced!!☦️☦️☦️
So I am ex mormon turned born again Christian after 37 years. The thing I am trying to help my family and friends understand is that the Bible was not changed by wicked men as the Book of Mormon falsely asserts. Mormons say this is the Nicene Council but what are some good resources, videos to help show Mormons that the Nicene Creed was not evil?
Bible tells what God has done for us, and that is important; the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ, tells what God did for us and who God is, hence, Book of Mormon the most correct book on earth; Apostle Paul was correct to start all letters of his emphasizing the Father and Son are 2 different people. And One sent the other to earth. Hence, there is prior life to this world.
Good luck!
Wrong. That not what the original creed explains.
Omg that was soo helpful!!! Thank you so much, because I have a test on this coming up and the teacher gave us no notes so This is perfect. And I also like the important texts during the video because I can write them down. 10/10
Wool is properly over your eyes, read between the lines. Your salvation retirees on it. Blessings
Most people.... Completely ignore the Holy Spirit. So right from the start. The creed mishandles what that spirit is for.
In Nicea they didn't understand that the Holy Spirit is the Father. In other terms the Father is here in the limited form of a spirit "God is a spirit". ("Spirit" means that NOBODY is here in reality to speak the God's words, i.e. God is absent). Jesus has thus the Father who is a spirit and calls Him sometimes "Father", sometimes "Spirit (Holy)" according to circumstances. But they are just two equivalent names. For example Jesus could say "..but blasphemy against the Father will not be forgiven..." in an equivalent manner.
Thank you for the lesson and insight into the politics of the early church and how the Trinity was defended. Well done Sir.
How did he know they were snickering?
AMEN AND AMEN GLORY TO GOD
Great summary, brief, but packed with info.
For the blind, yes
@@chrismcintyre6331 How so?
Thank you I enjoyed that
Orthodox is the only form of Christianity that actually has kept the original Nicene creed.
From the council of nicea until Rome changed it. But orthodoxy kept it.
The true church
I pray that Allah swt revives true\original Christianity protects and preserves it and make its massage be heard and witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time the secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits so to that I say plant the seeds of Christianity in its purest\original\true form make the seeds grow be fruitful and multiple after all Allah swt made a promise in the quran not too the Muslims but to the Christians that till the day of resurection Allah swt will make Christians above\better then islam\muslims
Best regards from a Muslim
Nicene Creed was established in 325 After Christ, not based off of the teaching of Christ but off of their interpretation of Christ. The Bible was translated from Aramaic to Koine Greek somewhere in the 1st to 3rd century do to a significant amount of Jews being educated in that language eventually causing the extinction of Aramaic. Jesus spoke Aramaic, The Aramaic word for God is אלהא Elāhā ( Biblical Aramaic), Muslims call God Allah. This is not a coincidence.
_"Muslims call God Allah. This is not a coincidence"_
No, obviously it's not a coincidence that Arabic speaking people call God... the Arabic word for God.
@@Mic1904 it’s not just Arabic speakers, Jesus also called God Allah (Elaha) he did not speak Arabic.
@@kingtairon4612 No, he spoke another Semitic language from the same region. You're right, what a coincidence that languages from the same family use similar words. Remarkable. You'll be amazed to hear what Gott (German), Gud (Danish, Norwegian, Swedish) and God (Dutch, English) all mean.
@@Mic1904 Sarcastic people usually have a fear problem, tell me what do you fear? That Jesus worshipped Allah, or maybe that Jesus is a Prophet of Islam and that he submitted his will to Allah just like all the Prophets before him, and he spoke of the coming of Prophet Mohammed?
@@kingtairon4612 _"Sarcastic people usually have a fear problem"_
Source? You realise just stating something quasi-philosophical that you scribbled on the back of a candy wrapper doesn't actually make it true.
_"tell me what do you fear?"_
That there's a Purgatory where one has to relive this conversation thousands of times as a test of patience.
_"That Jesus worshipped Allah"_
As in, God? That is not controversial. Basic Christian theology.
_"or maybe that Jesus is a Prophet"_
Yup. Definitely a Prophet. Prophet, Priest and King. Basic Christian theology.
_"of Islam"_
Only if He had a time machine and went to the future, when Islam was invented
_"and that he submitted his will to Allah just like all the Prophets before him"_
Allah being the Arabic word for 'God', correct. This is basic Christian theology. That He did indeed have the role of Prophet in submission to God.
_"and he spoke of the coming of Prophet Mohammed?"_
Source?
Good video but falls into the trap regarding orthodoxy at the time of the council. At the time there was no such thing as orthodoxy and Arianism was just one of many different christologies that were around at the time. History is about winners and losers and proto orthodox Christianity which is now considered to be mainstream was the most popular and better organised. It also benefitted from imperial patronage. If Marcian had won the day Christianity would have been very different.
Thank you for this insightful and inspiring post
* Didn't they essentially challenge by vote YHWH's aseity stating that His existence is dependent on the ousia? Wasn't this line of thinking condemned in 267 A.D. at the Synod of Antioch? Hey let's vote on it also and call it another progressive revelation.*
Who’s talking I don’t see his name
Justin S. Holcomb
In fact, originally the Christ should have sinful nature, but eventually eradicated it through practice. Why? For more details, please watch the sermon of the Light of Wisdom Church, welcome everyone to study and discuss together. Video “The Trinity ｜God from God, Light from Light｜Reincarnation | I Am the way, the truth and the life 08”
If you think it makes sense, we must not only believe it ourselves, but also spread it to more people. Evangelism is not only the job of pastors, but also the responsibility of every believer. This is also the aspect that the Lord values most when ascending to the kingdom of heaven.
Great explanation. Thank you!
It just proves that this is when and where they got together and agreed on how to do business. Has nothing to do with truth and reality.
Facts.
You can discard all the councils and stick with the Bible; truth is in it.
The Nicene Creed is the only proof text for trinitarians and their false trinity. The bible does not even mention the term "trinity."
approvedofGod Just like the Bible does not mention the word Bible.
approvedofGod just because it doesnt mention a specific word doesnt mean it doesnt exist 🤦♀️ you can use that same logic for a multitude of other things in the Bible and you will see how that falls flat in logical comprehension of scripture. Jesus speaks of the Father, when Jesus is risen he leaves the Holy Spirit, thats just one example.
This comment is exactly why we need the creed.
@@TracyW-me8br
Creeds are put in place instead of the bible.
Word 'Bible' means library, many books.
Numerous theories of atonement? Only one if you are a Christian !!!
Yahusha (Jesus)!!!!
This is the smoke of deception
I think you might misunderstand. I’m pretty sure the multiple theories of atonement would be something like substitutionary atonement vs Christus victor. In both of these, Jesus’s work is the way by which we are atoned. They just differ on exactly how He atoned for us.
I am making this claim based on your face and only listening to 3 sec of your voice: You are a Christian.
Now lets listen and see.
This is the 😈 thinking out loud!
How?
To
It's no different than a Comic book retcon.
Stop lying
Get out of here with that run weh NONESENSE