Why Photographers Misunderstand Nikon Z System
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- Nikon is the one camera company doing things a little different, and photographers don't understand it. They have released the 35mm f1.4 Z and the 50mm f1.4 Z lenses. But they have a "higher" tier S lineup of 35mm f1.8 and 50mm f1.8 lenses. The S lenses are more modern, clinical and perfect. Sharper and more well corrected for character flaws. The new lineup is cheaper, faster, but with that vintage character look, 3D pop, micro contrast etc. And photographers are mad about it for some reason.
Today we compare some stuff, Sony vs Nikon. Sony has the opposite situation as Nikon. Zeiss 55mm f1.8 is the one with the 3D pop and character, low element count etc. VS the Zeiss Planar 50mm f1.4 I just bought. We will compare those lenses as we talk about Nikon's lens situation. And finally test the Nikon RED luts.
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No lies detected in his Channel names 😂
In the search of a perfect lens, we forget that imprefection is what makes the picture 🤗
By far my favorite channel to go to for comedy and honest opinions about cameras and more.
There is a non-radioactive 50mm 1.4 Takumar. Simonsutak here on youtube made a video about the different versions. I have the radioactive version and i sleep with it under my pillow every night.
I have to agree with the general sentiment, it is sharp and fun. I have messed around with lots of vintage glass and if you are looking for a fast vintage fifty then just get the Takumar and be done with it.
The Takumar is also pretty cheap, for what it is. Also the the Sony A mount Minolta lenses are nice, low element count with autofocus.
The film glass is so fun
I too use pillow method but wobbly teeth come out in apple 🍎
Minolta rokkar is another covered 50
It took 20 minutes to get there, but the goldfinch at the end saved the video. 😉😆
LOL, you been on DPReview forum to read those elitist people with their 40k posts stats what they think about new Nikon lenses. I swear these people buy gear only to put it in their equipment list so they can go brag about it in an echo chamber and how sharp pictures of their backyards are.
Never trust a photographer under 50
I strongly suspect that a Nikon z 85mm toneh 1.4 will follow before the end of the year
A 28mm f/1.4 would be amazing. The DSLR non G version was one of the best lenses nikon ever made for dslr. It was just crazy expensive...and its even more expensive now used
I've had the Nikon 35mm f/1.8z for a few years already. Its kinda lame, creatively speaking. It's not even super duper sharp...like everyone is glazing that lens hard... and it's just not all that tbh. I regretfully sold the F mount f/1.4 version, at least that lens had a little bit of soul...so I'm glad it's back on the Z mount. That 50mm f/1.4Z is already preordered. Should be here on saturday. We shall see...it better look cooler that the F mount version. That thing is a dog, but at least it takes interesting photos.
I'm finding the same, I love the sharpness and character of my F1.4 E range of the 28mm and 105mm. The Z1.8's are flat and edgy looking, but the new Z1.4 range might be too soft, slow focussing and have lens rendition issues such as CA. The old f mount E range seemed to have it all...
@russandloz flat is a perfect way to describe it. 👌 i took that lens to Yellowstone and Grand Teton. When I had a chance to edit the photos, i was really missing that F mount 35 f/1.4 😔
Lack of sharpness on the face is definitely pleasing, or at least less scary.
I completely agree. I’m still adapting my old Nikon Ai-s lenses to my Fuji. Beautiful results. Having auto focus on them would be great on a native system.
I love that lake setting! Love it!
You have to keep cans intact to get your deposit back. You flatten plastic bottles to save space in the recycling bin...
This is why I bought a D780.
Ohhh! The classic brink to bonk comparison. Love it!
Again, that nice fog/mist, leading lines, water, ducks, boats and Toneh. I think both of those lenses look good. I work off of only three lenses for my RP. The only R lens I use is the 24-105 T4. Good content, as usual.
Zeiss 55 won. I have mine and I will never part from it. 35 2.8 its a keeper too.
You're just so right, these new lenses are really awesome.
That 105 tho ❤
I know, I've been wanting one!
Love learning about Nikon. They grow on me. I think my most poppin lens is the Minolta MD 50mm 3.5 Makro. Shot yellow jacket wasps with it and the images are awesome.
@@Zimmy123 I own probably 10 different MC and MD ROKKER lenses. I adapted a 50 mm to use with my first Nikon DSLR a D3300.
I wonder about adapting them to my Z9. Hmmm!
I have the Z7ii. My MD 50 3.5 macro gives great results on the Z sensor.
I also use M Mount glass and it's like magic unicorns invaded my camera.
@@AlexWhitman-ep1sk Glad to hear of your success! What adapter?
@@inspiredartphotos I found that my minoltas really shine on the FF 24 mp sensor, in comparison to my former sony apsc. I would definitely give it a try with the Z9, even if the mp are higher on this one.
@@Zimmy123 I still have my beloved D750. I still have that original manual adapter that I used with the D3300. The question is where is it hidden…??!
Am I crazy for contemplating selling my Sony gear and changing to Nikon? I just had a procedure done and can’t use my gear for another 2 months.
I currently own a7riii, 50 1.2gm, 55 1.8 Zeiss, 85mm 1.8, and Sigma 24-70 ii.
Past few years I’ve been doing moody editorial portraits, fashion, and just daily photography. I want to pivot and start learning cinematic video and really level up my editorial fashion portraits. Lowlight is definitely important as well.
I enjoy Nikon cameras for their ergonomics, EVF, and the way they inspire me with their rendering and “feel”.
Am I crazy? Thinking Z6iii is the workhorse for me or so I just upgrade my a7riii to another Sony body?
I have the 7Riii and I'm thinking of going to the z7ii lol. I would miss the resolution of the z6 because I tend to crop a bunch. I just can't really find any reliable info if the AF comparing the Riii to the z7ii
Keep both. lol.
If you want 3D pop grab a 8" Newtonian telescope with a 21mm eyepiece and look at Jupiter or Saturn. They are in season this fall.
@1:34 Nikkor 135mm f2.8 AI, not a lot of glass in that one; ditto, the 180mm...
The 50mm 1.8S at or near to wide open with a cinebloom 10% has produced really stunning results for me. It is as sharp as I've ever seen a prime lens wide open and the focus is quick. Out of focus backgrounds swirl ever so slightly at the edges and the transitions are very smooth. That said, had the 1.4 been available when I bought the 1.8 (used), I would have picked it up.
Perfect digital reproduction in all but perhaps wildlife and astro is just boring when talking about your typical hobbyist subjects. People want to feel something.
55 looks better to me. Get the 50 Nikon
Solid noise effects for transitions.... I half expected to hear a Wilhelm scream 😅
Thanks for this comparison! I thought the 50mm also looked poppy if I even have a clue what that is...
Additionally, I have noticed more pop in some of my shots when I am stopped down to F/4 or F/5.6. I wonder if there is a sweet spot aperture for these lenses you tested in this video?
I received my 35 F/2.8 a few days ago, and hopefully the 55 F/1.8 will arrive today so I can start playing with them and see if I can find any pop. Lol
That 35mm f/1.4 Z looks very interesting to me, if it can handle a bit of weather. 👍
Glad to see the ducks foiled your fowl plan to hide them from us. 🦆🦆
Vintage? Whatcha offer for Canon 20 D w/ 2 (two) Canon batteries and charger? Add your own nifty 50 + black mist 1/2, and It'll touch your cold heart...
Bought a 7Artisan 35mm 1.4 for my Z5. Guess what? It has some issues but the output is amazing for $120
I’m a photographer and came to appreciate the 3D pop from your videos. Picked up the EF 35mm L mark I. Game changing!!
"Game Changing!" you sound like the shill video he made yesterday
@@npatricksmith I have zero subscribers. So what benefits am I receiving for saying that?
You easily have created one of the best gear channels on TH-cam…. Creative, practical, and entertaining. I admit I am one of those dirty non-moving picture type people, and am only video-curious, but gimme a chance… I’m not all bad. I have never understood this obsession with general and corner sharpness outside of landscape/architecture type photography. Everyone wants tonnehs with fast glass, then starts complaining about corner sharpness…. It’s insane. I like where Nikon is taking the Z line
Why are you hiding the lake Kaseh, you took me to the lake and hid it
Last video he said he doesn’t have a cinema camera anymore! Did he sell his Canon C100 ii ??
Omg I hate that thing
I'm a wedding videomaker and using mainly 2 lenses with my A7IV: Sigma 24-70 2.8 Art (i know, bidimensional footage, but versatile) and a Sony 35mm 1.8 (not GM bullshit sharpness and mainly used with my gimbal). Now, I'm obsessed with 3D pop (you ruined my life). I'm heavily considering selling my Sigma and invest the money on Zeiss Batis glass (maybe a 18mm or 25mm and definitely 85mm). What would you suggest me buying? Do you think is a viable option for a wedding videomaker? Thanks.
Never buy gear you have never felt missing during the work.
You already asked this question on another video...
@@cameraconspiracies yeah, but since this video is about 3D pop I thought it would be better here rather than yesterday's video. And I ended up forgetting to delete the comment there. Sorry if it seems insistent.
Somebody is sharp here 😂
@@KobusGevelspar my soul 3dpop'd out of my body 😂
I love you complaining about zoom lenses and immediately pull out the phone and use the zoom to shoot that bird.
I think you should just try the new Sony 24-70 GM II to see how nice it is. You might like it.
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The TONY-SWIRL?
Zeiss 50 has more pop than the 55
This is why I’m still shooting om Nikon F mount. I have a couple of amazing low element count lenses. Even a zoom with character. Unfortunately for video it’s less practical.
Me to. F3hp n8008 Fuji S5 the F3 with action finder will blow your mind. The S5 along with Leica M8 are the two most filmic sensors ever made
Photographer pleb here and yes, the S50/35/85 were too sharp and clinical. Those f1.4 seem a lot better but why so heavy (400g)? How come Nikon was able to make light autofocus f1.4s in the D and G era whereas now every prime has to be a bulbous lump?
The ultra drive focus motors are a bit faster and quieter there's a lot of d class that isn't good for video because the motors make more noise of course in those days it was more about photography than film video she is already getting pretty big in my book and I compare my AIS lenses to a g I think they're bloated and then the modern stuff just got more ridiculous I think because they have whole electronic circuit board sent them now so they need even more room but it's basically the ultra drive motor that's so big and that's from the g series
Forgot to add that of course with a d you're getting screwdrive so the actual motor spinning part is from the camera so the lens can be smaller I actually prefer that design the most of anything out there
@@giannagiavelli5098 oh, yeah, D series has quite a loud motor, but my God are these great lenses. I have the 35mm f2d - beautiful rendering, colors just right, not oversaturated, whatever it is it produces a nice kind of old-school picture that I find so soothing. Had the S lenses but was so frustrated with the clinical sharpness I went back to ais/g/d
the only thing that disappoints me about the new 1.4 primes is that they are much larger than the F mount G/D primes... wheres my 7 elements 6 groups 50mm 1.4 Z mount lens thats the size of a 50/1.4G/D
I'll never give up a screw drive body !!!
wow, you should go to the lake more often
you`re at a lake but we can`t see the lake?
Is there anything in post processing that you can apply to get 3D Pop? Can't you darken the corners?
Maybe I just love my Sony Zooms too much. I think they are great.
16-35, 24-70, 70-200 all t2.8
NO
You need the Samyang 45mm 1.8 in your life. The original photo version with AF. Light, cheap and poppy. Nice character
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i second this!
Talks about cameras and lenses for a living... Best wildlife footage in months... On his five year old phone. 🤣 - Frank
After I came to 3d pop my world will never be the same...
I'm trying to decide on the 50 1.8 or 1.4. I shoot mostly landscape and wildlife. Do you think the 1.4 would be better for this or the 50 1.8s
Question, is the pocket 3 good enough for filming ppl slow motion on the streets? Or should i get a camera? Thanks 🙏
You going to test the TT Artisans "swirly bokeh" 75mm f/1.5?
I have that lens AiS 105mm f2.5 that
Steve McCurry took the pic from that Afganistán girl, really nice color from that lens
Have you compared it to the DC version that's quite nice as well much more expensive
Yes, this proves that all the gear talk nowadays ist mostly nonsense.
@@giannagiavelli5098 I gonna have to try it
3D pop corn or flat crurshed corn. Which one?🤣
Bring back chromatic aberration and soft corners!!!
So far all the big diameter Z mount is good for is adding size and weight and dumping a whole lot of dirt on your unprotected sensor. Thanks Nikon. No more bananas from KC.
I have a Nikkor 50mm f1.2 AI here in Calgary I'd be willing to sell you. The difference between the Ai and AI-S is 2 aperture blades. Whatever the case I do recommend it. And even adapted with a K&F concept adapter the thing is small on a mirrorless. But does it have pop? I'd say so.
Really want to pull the trigger on switching to Nikon but the ergonomics of the Zf are really not comfortable for me and the Z6iii has some pretty bad dynamic range. Would it be worth getting a cheaper original Z6 or even Z5 and wait until Nikon comes out with something better? It's the only system who's lenses really call my attention. No flip screen is a pain but, there aren't many options there.
This talk about bad dynamic range on the Z6 III is really exaggerated. Why? Because the camera behaves the same above ISO 800 like the other models and below you have to raise shadows for more than 5 stops which is very extreme. Have you tried it?
@@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas No no haven't tried it myself. I've just seen videos comparing the DR to entry level cameras like the Z5 where the Z6 got outperformed and now that's just stuck in my mind. Seems rough to spend so much on a camera that can't match an entry level camera's DR when shooting at base ISO for landscape.
@@DiegoMDeras Again this is greatly exaggerated by the folks on the internet which are talking about extreme edge cases. If you don't push shadows more than 5 stops below ISO 800 you won't even notice any difference.
You say that and yet im like 15 seconds into the video and theres intense flickering going on using the z6iii.... @@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas
Totally blown out of proportion, less (not bad) DR is a trade off for the increased readout speed provided by the semi stacked sensor, which makes electronic shutter usable in more scenarios for stills, improves autofocus performance, and video capability - exactly what a good hybrid camera needed. They won’t be replacing this model anytime soon, what’s next for Nikon is probably a new APSC body, or a Z7III (slower sensor, high res model), and some time later - a refresh of the Z9.
I'll tell you a story but I was a corporate CEO I had to get up headshot picture taken and it's hard to take your own so I went to a highly rated professional photographer they took out there canon camera with a high-end candid lens and let me tell you it was the worst goddamn picture ever taken everything's super Sharp every last poor in focus every pimple it just looked God awful and I remember looking at the photographer and looking at the lens and going oh no this is a total waste of 300 bucks but what can you do what can you do they had no idea whatsoever that they had failed that their work was crap they had no idea and I think that's Casey's point is these new photographers simply have no clue how much they suck
I have a Zeiss Jena Biotar 58mm f2 and 55mm f1.8 Super Takumar and love this old vintage with my Zf.. not clinically sharp but lots of character… cheap cheap!
Arsat 81H is Nikon f mount. There are a few
Sigma lenses have the most pop.
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Want depth, 3-D and pop that Nikon offers? Try the old Nikkor 58mm f/1.4 on an F-to-Z adapter.
Yes, that's a magical lens which you need to know how to handle. The Nikon AF-S Nikkor 105 mm f/1.4E is also very good for portraits.
Wait… so which lens had the most pop? A blind photographer wants to know…
50mm has more contrast
I hope your chase for Holy Grail never stops.
Why aren’t you wearing socks with your sandals
Because the 3D pop on his feets would be distorted
Remember.... he is in Canada. They have strict Sandal / Sock laws. Wearing socks with sandals is allowed ONLY in the privacy of your own home. However, due to Kasey's international "Star Status", he knows he can skate the laws💃
I’ve been begging TH-cam to make the like button have 3d pop. I’m not getting any younger.
Now do the sigma 28-45. This feels like it could produce massive cognitive dissonance.
If you're looking for standard lenses with even more 3D pop than the Voigty, look at the Carl Zeiss 45mm F/2 Planar, specifically for the Contax G system. There is no focus ring on the lens so you need an adapter that is able to spin the screw drive focus mechanism, but I promise you, it's worth it. The Fotodiox adapter for Sony E mount is the best one in my opinion.
Sounds like a nightmare not worth the hassle.
But... He promised!!
Like I has a 35 mm sonar vintage lens and it's amazing and not sharp at all but the pictures it makes are astounding as far as Zeiss the sonar is what I would grab a million times over a planar and it's really any planar because the goal of the plane are as you said is sharpness which is not the best for people if you are shooting architecture maybe the planar is better but if you want to have feeling you go for a similar. By the way when you said super taco bar not taco bar t a k u m a r damn voice to text anyways that was like an orgasm I would worry about the radiation I'm sure it's quite minimal just don't sleep with it next to your head the radioactive glass tends to be superior which is why they created it I think in most cases the radiation levels are low the only Nikon I've ever heard to stay away from is the 35 1.4
I have the 135mm apo Sonnar in Nikon F mount. That thing is amazing and crazy sharp. Many photographers say it's pretty much the same as the Otus. I also have the 21mm Distagon, great lens for landscapes. Zeiss has that Zeiss pop
The modern lenses are very sharp, to the point that I need a black diffusion filter 1/8 strength on my nikon 50 1.8s as protection filter just to soften the look 😂I event zeroing every sharpen setting in the camera. I just want the manufacturers to use there innovations to make smaller and lighter lenses. I don’t need F1.4, I don’t need crazy sharpness, even no characteristics for smaller size is ok.
The sonnar sucks. Sorry. The design is very simple, wide open the sonnar is prone to spherical aberration so much, to not mention lateral fringing, there isn't a lens that fringes so much, and copy variation is embarrassing
You're insane. It's basically identical to the 55mm which is my best lens.
"Why Camera Conspiracies Misunderstand Fujifilm System"
Come on we all know the Z is for Zorro... go away with your Nikon stuff... its horrible. only youtubers with less then 160k subscriber like that stuff.
Why are you so red? If your Nikon Z6iii trans and thinks its a Canon? LOL
Nikon is rocking. There's a lot of hate from amateurs
Oh. Nikon is not the only one. TTArtisan is another example of vintage look
I have a lot of TT just for the price they're fine I use them on my Panasonic g95 I'm not going for pop or supreme art with that one just a good walk around camera that is light
Yes, i have observed that too. Are those Sony and Canon fanboys who try to bash it?
@@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas no. Dumb people from Nikon too 😁
@@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas no specific brand. Only those who think that sharpness is photography
These plebs and the Sony 85 gm ii.... They don't realize that the image in real world use is indistinguishable between a samyang or even a meike 85 at a quarter of the price lmao. Who wants to spend that much on a flat clinical lens... Oh ya 90% of Sony fanboys. I shoot Sony but i despise the Sony scene and inhabitants lol
They both suck.. 😂 Who cares.. Just love the vids.. Regards..
Some are radioactive some are not. I have quite a few Asahi (takumar) lenses as well as other good oldies. One of my 55mm 1.8's is radioactive, one is not. They are both very nice. Thorium which is the radioactive stuff has a very fast fall off (I have a legit geiger counter to confirm this), and as soon as it's just a couple inches from your body it's a non issue. I do always put the radioactive one on the other side of the bulk in my backpack and pay attention to how the camera sits against my body. Most will say it's 100% safe, but most are sheep that believe thorium reactors are the wave of the future.. deep sigh. My first thorium lens, a canon FD 35mm F2 (must be ssc concave front element version) was insanely sharp with amazing pop. The Takumar's are sharp enough and the bokeh balls are soooo good wide open without the onion rings you're seeing in both those Zeiss lenses. (may have been me that recommended it btw). Just check which have thorium and which don't if you're dead set against it. There's some other goodies in that rhelm but your audience is too big, and I don't want to see the good cheap lenses skyrocket in price.
Now *that* would be a fun episode. Watching Kasey reviewing a radioactive lens against his better judgement and taking all the precautions to the extreme.
Hellios 44-2 58mm T2 will give you swirly soviet Tonehs and massive amounts of 3D pop at a bargain basement price. It's not even radioactive, at least not intentionally.
The ducks sped up after they realized you were talking to yourself. ;)
Way to chill out the music to match the scene at the end. I always enjoy your content, but being old and jaded rarely laugh. You in bed with a farting photographer.. I laughed pretty good.
ZV-E1 has reached GOAT status...
Sometimes I get confused and bewildered when I look at his videos🤨
Toronto needs more foggy days, it makes boring scenes much more interesting.
I miss East York & the Beaches
I see the pop on ef 85, every video you make, I don’t see it now on Nikki 1.4
Thank you for the entertaining video 🤟
'Keep on dreaming, 3D poppers' 😊
Nikon 105mm f/2.5 best lens I ever had (if only it had AF)
14:28 the colour tone with the fog and a boat... ok i'll admit that is a beautiful image
The super takumar is made by Pentax, and they had an 8 element version which is more highly esteemed than the later 7 element. They still make that lens for Pentax IN THREE VERSIONS, as the "SMC FA 50mm f1.4" (Super Multi Coated) and the "HD FA 50mm f1.4" (High Definition) and the "SMC FA 50mm f1.4 Classic" (Which does rainbow flaring wide open). You're asking why aren't camera companies making old school low element count lenses, but Pentax makes quite a few like the FA limiteds and DA limiteds (For apsc) and a few other film era lenses with lots of CA's and 3D pop. I also have the Zeiss 50mm 1.4 Classic and side by side with my FA 50mm 1.4 they're about the same for 3D pop. You could get these lenses and buy an auto focus adapter for Sony and use Pentax low element count CA 3D pop lenses, but they'll be noisy because of screw drive AF. You need to be buying your voightlander lenses in Leica M-Mount and get a much quiter auto focus adapter in Leica M to Sony E, I forget the name of the brands that make them. The Dirty lens club uses one of those AF adapters on his Nykon.
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Kasey, we need this in a T-shirt you goofball!
I totally agree! Now Nikon should release a 85mm 1.4 in the same style like the 50 and 35mm 1.4!
Cool video, makes me think i'm over thinking it all. But the old f mount Nikon E range seemed to have it all, sharpness and rich character. The Z1.8's are flat and edgy looking, but the new z1.4 range might be have image rendition issues in some situations and are slower focussing i've seen in some examples.. SO I guess I wanted a new 1.4S range, best of both like bread
The best thing is you can adapt nearly any lens on the market to Nikon Z-Mount cameras.
Oh my word, you just blew my mind with the comment about Chromatic Aberration, you're so right, every TH-camr complains about it and then hits the sides of their face with the exact same colors they're complaining about 🤣
A good photographer with a crappy lens will outshoot a bad photographer with the best lens. You couldn't be more right about too much sharpness on faces. Especially older one's. There is a time and place for clinical lenses such as in studio headshots or magazine covers. That isn't the majority of photography.
I guess none of us ever took a decent "sharp" pleasing photo with our various 1.8G primes over the past 20+ years. LOL I'd still prefer the S lenses over the 1.4's. I'd even take a prime version of the 24-120F4S's 24mm! I like having both optios. However, the 1.4's should have been retro SE designs for the ZF with proper indexed (or click to smooth) aperture rings. That is where Sony shines with their G lenses... the handling.
f1.8 has nicer color bokeh, but the f1.4 has less eye watering onion peel... I agree with the 50 over the 35, and then put the Zeiss on the Nikon! However, the 40F2 has (potentially) more pleasing MTF's than the f1.4's. I just can't find a great deal on the SE version.
You basically already have the lens that you are looking for. The Nikkor 40mm F2. I adore that lens. Yes it is not 1.4, but there is just something magic about that lens wide open. Yes it doesn't have all the Toneh's, but it has enough. It hasn't left my camera since I got it.
That Takumar 50mm f/1.4 is also available in non-radioactive versions.
Their biggest misunderstanding is they shoulda bought a Canon.