Worth noting it's not actually in the middle of nowhere, it's in the industrial district of Mokpo. That being said, it's still in a very inconvenient location, nevermind the ugly land the track itself sits on
The opposite can happen too. For exemple, France gp was in the Magny Cours racetrack in the past. Despite being far from « big cities » a lot of people were going there. The problem was that it was creating a lot of traffic jam everytime cause the roads were not big enough for everybody to come. So people were annoyed because of the mess and the difficulty to go to the track, waiting for hours stopped on the road.
But a tad bit interesting that Silverstone is in the middle of nowhere yet doesn’t fail to sell out. Make a track that produces exciting racing and people will come
A little correction: The Korean Grand Prix has been held 4, not 3 times, from 2010 to 2013. The last race was most notable for a great performance by Nico Hulkenberg who got 4th place in a Sauber, his best ever career finish to date.
2013 was an interesting one when the safety truck(?) came out out of nowhere xD .ark webber also could've had his last win there had he not retired just like in India
2010 and 2013 were good races, surprising results, chaotic races. The title was still on in both years (although in 2013 it was looking pretty much done except mathematically). Kimi and Romain's fight, Perez's puncture, Nico's front wing, SUV safety car, Mark's car on fire.....decent race actually.
@@teijaflink2226 He's never had a car that was good enough to win. It's as simple as that. The 4th with a Sauber was a miracle as is. He's a very talented driver who simply hasn't had a winning car under him.
Bernie thought South Korea would have the same mindset in motorsport like the Japanese have, but he was so wrong. There was no existing motorsport culture to speak. F1 went to South Korea solely on the basis that the country is an important automotive market without researching whether or not the populace was even that interested in motorsport
@@grahamreece519 but still It won't work that easily/on theory. Indian GP, Russian GP and Turkish GP for example. They have big population/crowd, they make racetrack not in the middle pf nowhere but 2 of them got cancelled because of underwhelming results for them so the govt didn't want to hold any F1 GP again.
@@bimapriambada1098 Well, India was generally quite a bit poorer than Korea, and Russia was cancelled for the war. You're right about Turkey, but my point is that it would've had a hell of a better chance if they didn't go with this stupid city concept.
@@bimapriambada1098Indian GP was mostly cancelled because the state government under which the Buddh Circuit came was socialist, and you know socialist beaureaucracy
I remember a story from this era from one of the teams. It was said that the people in charge of the track turned the power off, locked the doors and walked away until the next year. The next year teams were greeted by spoiled food that had been left in garage and suite refrigerators.
I was there for the inaugural race. It was a terrible experience. The place was a muddy mess, there was nothing around the track, there were no vendors selling food or drinks, the ticketing and seating system was a joke, the bleachers had nuts and bolts laying around everywhere as they had hastily installed them, and price of the hotel we booked magically changed to almost double the price we booked it at when we went to check in.
According to rumors in korea, construction of the stands was under way until the day before the match because Chinese companies did not send construction materials on purpose at the time of construction.
I will forever remember this track as the one where Mark Webber threw away his title chances in 2010 after spinning off in the penultimate corner, sliding through the Korean mud and taking Nico Rosberg out with him. Such a shame, up to that point Webber was looking to be the favorite for the championship but he never recovered his mojo after that moment.
As a Korean, as much as I want an f1 race to be held here, I think it shouldn’t because f1 deserves better support. There are so many countries that are eager to host one and have more supportive crowds, so I think it’s a waste of time and slot to race here tbh
2012 probably had the best driver lineup ever. One of the best things of the calendar was that it still ended in Brazil. I don't think the Indian and Korean tracks were that special but put against the recent Miami and Qatar additions then yes. No Austria or Mexico yet though.
@@soundscape26only two problems in that lineup were both terror*ssians. Nobody needed petrov and the team like materror*ssia. As for races Austria, Mexico, Zandvoort and France at Paul Ricard to replace both arabic dictatorships, r*ssian buttlickers of hungary and commies would've been nice.
@@mexii.I don’t particularly think that the Nurburgring is a great track for F1, yeah we’ve seen a few good battles but I’d rather have back Kyalami or Hockenheim.
Favourite story of this race was the F1 circus returning after racing the year before to find the bins had rubbish left over from the previous GP. Basically the track had sat dormant for an entire year as soon as F1 left. Also that first race with the track surface issues meaning Korea's first F1 race started late and then ran for 10s of laps behind a safety car. Basically the worst first impression any modern track has ever had.
Three-line summary of my long opinion: 1. the failure of the Korean Grand Prix is the result of a "showpiece" event for the local government and an organizer who is ignorant of F1. 2. the problem still hasn't been fixed, as evidenced by last year's Seoul E-Prix. 3. even if the popularity of F1 and motorsports is growing in Korea, international formula racing events are unlikely to succeed unless these fundamental issues are addressed. 본인 의견에 대한 세 줄 요약: 1. 한국 그랑프리의 실패는 지방 정부의 '보여주기식' 행사와, F1에 대해 무지한 주최 측의 결과임. 2. 작년 서울 E-Prix에서 알 수 있듯, 아직도 그 문제가 고쳐지지 않음. 3. F1과 모터스포츠에 대한 인기가 한국에서 오르고 있어도, 이런 근본적인 문제가 해결되지 않는 이상 국제적인 포뮬러 레이싱 대회는 성공하기 힘듦. First of all, as a Korean, the failure of the Korean Grand Prix is very painful. 우선 한국인으로서, 한국 그랑프리의 실패는 너무 뼈아픕니다. The fiasco pinpoints one of South Korea's social problems: local government "show" events. Even the commercial in this video compares F1 to the Olympics and World Cup, showing that it is a prestigious sporting event (3:07). What makes F1 different from the Olympics and World Cup is that the financial support comes from a local government, namely the provincial government of Jeollanam-do, rather than South Korea's central government. 사실 이 실패는 한국의 사회 문제 중 하나를 정확히 보여주는데, 바로 지방 정부의 '보여주기식' 행사입니다. 이 영상의 광고에서도 F1을 올림픽과 월드컵에 비유하며, 명망 높은 스포츠 행사라는 것을 보여주고 있습니다(3:07). 다만 올림픽과 월드컵에 비해 F1이 달랐던 것은, 재정적인 지원을 한국의 중앙 정부가 아닌 지방 정부, 즉 전라남도 도청에서 행했다는 것입니다. The fact that Jeollanam-do hosted the event is quite surprising, as in the past, Korean F1 fans had hoped that the Grand Prix would be held in a "densely populated area" such as Seoul, Incheon, or Busan. While several local governments showed some interest, they were dismissed due to complaints from residents about noise pollution, the burden of a huge budget, and the uncertainty of revenue to match, and only Jeollanam-do went through with it. This was surprising because Jeollanam-do has always been a grain-growing region and has never had much to do with the automotive industry, but once it was confirmed, South Korean F1 fans could only hope that they would prepare properly. 사실 전라남도가 이런 행사를 개최했다는 것은 상당히 의외인 부분이기도 한데, 과거의 한국인 F1 팬들은 그랑프리가 '인구 밀도가 높은 지역', 즉 서울이나 인천, 부산 등에서 열리기를 바랐기 때문입니다. 여러 지자체들이 어느 정도의 관심을 보였기는 했으나, 소음 공해를 비롯한 주민의 민원이나 거대한 예산 지출의 부담과 그에 걸맞은 수익의 불확실성의 문제로 기각되었고, 오직 전라남도만 끝까지 추진한 것이 그 결과가 된 것입니다. 전라남도는 예전부터 곡창지대였고, 자동차 산업과는 이렇다 할 관련이 없었기에 더욱 의외이기도 했습니다. 그럼에도 한국의 F1 팬들은 개최가 확정된 이상 그들이 제대로 준비하기를 바랄 뿐이었습니다. However, that dream never came true. The organization in charge of F1 in South Korea did not know the sport, and embarrassed the people who paid for their tickets by giving away so-called "free tickets." They seemed to think that F1 was a "one-off" event, like the Olympics or World Cup, and that they would make a "show" of it in a short period. As you know, it's very difficult to break even on an F1 event alone, and most of the time it's a combination of the commercial areas around it that make the economic benefits. The deficit at the Korean Grand Prix was shrinking every year, but *politicians* with no knowledge of F1 came down hard on the officials. 그러나 그 꿈은 절대 이뤄지지 않았습니다. 한국의 F1 담당 단체는 F1과 관련한 지식이 전무했고, 이른바 '공짜표'를 남발해 제값을 주고 티켓을 산 사람들을 당혹스럽게 만들었습니다. 그들은 F1이 올림픽이나 월드컵처럼 '1회성' 경기라고 생각했는지, 단기간 내에 본인들의 '보여주기식' 업적을 만들 생각으로 가득 차 보였습니다. 여러분도 아시다시피 F1 경기만으로 손익분기점을 넘는 것은 매우 힘든 일이며, 그 주변의 상권과 결합하여 경제적 이익을 얻는 것이 대부분입니다. 한국 그랑프리의 적자폭은 매년 줄어들긴 했으나, F1에 대한 지식이 전무한 *정치인*들은 관계자를 강하게 추궁했습니다. Plans to build a city next to the circuit are also virtually impossible to realize. The motorsport culture in South Korea is not very developed: despite the presence of car giants like Hyundai, the country's rapid industrialization has not allowed time for motorsport to develop (although the country's "Confucian culture" is partly to blame). Bernard Ecclestone probably got this part wrong, but anyway, Korea had a strong culture of 'racing=illegal street racing' (at least at the time), so the culture of viewing racing as 'offensive' also played a big part in the failure of the Korean Grand Prix. Also, with permanent circuits next to cities, 'noise pollution' is one of Korea's main sources of complaints. Most Koreans would not have wanted to live next to a space where the sound of engines could be heard in full force. 서킷 옆에 도시를 만든다는 계획도 사실 실현되기가 불가능에 가깝습니다. 한국의 모터스포츠 문화는 그리 발달하지 않았습니다. 현대 등 거대 자동차 회사들이 활약하고 있음에도 불구하고, 한국의 급격한 산업화로 인해 모터스포츠가 발달할 시간적 여지를 만들 수 없었습니다(한국의 '유교 문화'도 원인 중 하나이기는 합니다). Bernard Ecclestone은 아마 이 부분을 착각했지 않을까 싶습니다. 여하튼 한국은 (적어도 그 당시에는) '레이싱=불법 폭주 레이싱'을 떠올리는 문화가 강했고, 그렇기에 레이싱을 '상스럽게'보는 문화 역시도 한국 그랑프리의 실패에 큰 영향을 끼쳤습니다. 또한 상설 서킷이 도시 옆에 있는 상태에서, '소음 공해'는 한국의 주요 민원 원인 중 하나입니다. 엔진음이 한껏 들리는 공간 옆에서 대부분의 한국인들은 생활하고 싶지 않았을 것입니다. The popularity of F1 in South Korea began to grow after the Netflix drama aired, and with the recent official (finally!) availability of F1 coverage in South Korea, the sport's popularity in the country began to gain another momentum. 한국에서 F1의 인기는 넷플릭스의 드라마가 방영된 이후 증가하기 시작했으며, 최근 한국에서의 F1 중계가 공식적으로 (이제서야!) 이루어지며, 한국에서 이 스포츠의 인기에 또 다른 추진력이 붙기 시작했습니다. Continued in reply... 답글에 계속됨...
Last year's Formula E race replicated these F1 failings: a lack of communication between organizers and fans, a lack of understanding of motorsports on the part of the organizers, and most importantly: a "show" event and ticket prices meant to "blow you away. With the cheapest ticket costing $75 and the most expensive one a whopping $380, the very high ticket prices compared to other FE events discouraged non-motorsport fans from buying tickets. 작년에 이루어진 Formula E 경기에서는 이러한 F1의 실패를 정확이 답습했습니다. 주최자와 팬들 사이 소통의 부재, 주최자의 모터스포츠에 대한 이해의 부재, 그리고 가장 중요한 것: '보여주기식' 이벤트와 '한탕 치고자 하는' 티켓 가격. 가장 싼 티켓이 75$, 가장 비싼 티켓은 무려 380$에 육박했습니다. 다른 FE 경기에 비해 매우 비싼 티켓 가격은 모터스포츠 팬들이 아닌 사람들로 하여금 티켓 구매를 주저하게 만들었습니다. What was even more shocking was that staff were handing out 'free tickets' at the E-Village, which was open to everyone! As someone who paid for a ticket, I was shocked to see that this was no different from the F1 Grand Prix a decade ago. The Seoul E-Prix was also held as part of the 'Seoul Festa', which was not the original idea of having the 'Seoul E-Prix' as the centrepiece, and it became just one of the side events. In the Korean motorsports community, there have been many rumblings of so-called "cheating" among the volunteers who helped organize the event, and to this day, the incident has been swept under the rug without any explanation. With all the pre-race rumblings, fans in Korea were saying, "It looks like it's going to be a one-off event, so we'll go even if it's cheesy," and indeed, the Seoul E-Prix was removed from the calendar this year. 심지어 더 경악할 만한 일은, 누구나 들어갈 수 있는 E-Village에서 직원들이 '공짜표'를 나눠주고 있었다는 것이었습니다! 돈을 주고 티켓을 구매한 저로서는 이해할 수 없는 정책이면서, 그와 동시에 10년 전의 F1 그랑프리와 달라진 점이 없다는 것이 충격이었습니다. 또한 서울 E-프리는 '서울 페스타'의 일부로 진행되었는데, 이는 애당초 '서울 E-Prix'가 중심이 되는 원안과 달랐으며, 그저 부대 행사 중 하나로 전락해 버렸습니다. 한국 모터스포츠 커뮤니티에서는 행사 진행을 도와준 자원봉사자들 사이에 일명 '갑질'에 대한 여러 잡음이 울려왔으며, 현재까지도 어떠한 해명 없이 그 사건은 덮어졌습니다. 경기 전부터 여러 소란이 들려오자, 국내의 팬들은 "1회성 이벤트가 될 것 같으니 치사하더라도 가야겠다"라는 소리를 했고, 정말로, 서울 E-Prix는 올해 캘린더에서 제외되었습니다. As mentioned above, F1 fans had hoped that conditions would be better if an international motorsports event was held in Seoul, but the failure of last year's Seoul E-Prix proved that it's not so much about population density as it is about organizational savvy (not to say that population density isn't important). The Seoul E-Prix was held while blocking a public road that is a key part of Seoul's transportation, and the results were not good, ultimately giving non-motorsports fans a bad taste in their mouths about racing, and motorsports fans in South Korea are just hoping for an organizer who is as passionate as they are. 상술했듯 F1 팬들은 국제적인 모터스포츠 경기가 서울에서 열렸다면 여건은 더 나아졌을 거라고 기대했지만, 작년 서울 E-프리의 실패로 인구밀도보다는 주최 측의 이해도에 따라 성패가 결정된다는 것을 알게 되었습니다(절대로 인구 밀도가 중요하지 않다는 말이 아닙니다). 서울 E-Prix는 서울 교통의 핵심이 되는 공도를 막고 진행되었고, 그 결과는 좋지 않았기에 결국 비모터스포츠 팬들에게 레이싱에 대한 좋지 않은 인식만 씌워주었으며, 한국의 모터스포츠 팬들은 단지 자신들처럼 열정 있는 주최사가 나타나기를 간절히 바랄 뿐입니다. To this day, as a Korean motorsports fan, I look forward to seeing international formula races once again, but if these complex issues are not resolved, I would respectfully decline to host them. 지금 이 순간까지도 저는 한국의 모터스포츠 팬으로서 다시금 국제적인 포뮬러 경기가 열리기를 고대하고 있지만, 이토록 복합적인 문제가 해결되지 않는다면 저는 그 경기들의 개최를 정중히 사양하고 싶습니다.
That track was so fun on the f1 games. Lots of swooping corners with intense/percise braking required, only to have two long straights completely sabotage your set up so you had to wrestle the car through corners. Great track
Currently, in Korea, the city of Incheon, where Incheon International Airport is located, has declared the hosting of the F1 race. However, even if the race is held in the future, such motor sports may be outlawed in the cause of preventing noise pollution depending on Korean citizens' reaction to it.
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 2010~2013 korea gp wasn’t held incheon. it named yeongam. yeongam is sooooo far from seoul but incheon is next to seoul and there is incheon international airport
That would definitely be one of the tracks I'd like to see back in the F1 game, along with India. I still have the games from that time, but I find the handling very hard to get used to from today's perspective. At the time, it was said that a city would form around the track. According to Google Maps, there is still nothing there today.
Can confirm. Was at the track last weekend for an event, it's still as undeveloped as it was 10 years ago. It has a nice karting circuit though, will probably go there again in October for a GT race.
Building the track in what seems a million miles from Seoul was the first mistake. The track is still very much used for other series but I don't ever see F1 going back there to that track.
Ya it's used quite a bit but attendance is always low. Even for free events most people don't care. It doesn't help that local racing series don't advertise much at all so unless you search it out, you'd never even know the races were happening...
Basically the image they were selling was based on developing a city around the track but then the recession hit so they wound up with a track in a swamp in the middle of nowhere. But I always really liked the track itself for F1, think it was one of the better modern additions to the calendar in terms of the layout of the circuit itself.
it would have been a beautiful and awesome event if it was succesful , it would be so interesting to see a permanent track in the middle of the city, could have been amazing.
What always baffles me is how nobody seems to have the idea to copy the nürburgrings tourist drives concept. Its basically affordable for anyone who can affort a full tank of gas and helps build a local racing community, which will support the track
@blabla124151515 to bring it up to modern safety standards. Its an 1930s track. It still has way less runoff than you find at usual tracks, especially in fast corners. Couldn't construct one new today like that
I've been watching F1 for while now and I just can't remember ever watching a Korean grand prix, I'm slowly starting to think either I'm crazy, or the internet has made an elaborate hoax... Great video, subscriber gained!
Tbh I liked a lot of those late 2000 to 2010s tracks that F1 no longer goes to, Buddh, Sepang, Istanbul….but the track in Korea was particularly awful 😂
good video, just one correction: The Korean GP happened *4 times, not 3*,it stayed in the calendar from 2010 to 2013, the 2013 edition being a mostly bland race with a few incidents and tyre/wing failures, it was won by Seb Vettel.
I grew up in southwest Korea, visited Korea Grand Prix in 2010 with my parents. Tickets were really given out free and I remember people around me making fun of my family who paid for the tickets. In general, people didn’t really appreciate and they all left before the race ended. Most of them also were wearing earplugs…hah.
Ya. They gave out tickets and a lot of companies forced their higher-ups to buy tickets to support the race. The second year of F1 I was given tickets at the end of the front straight looking straight down the start/finish line. Pricey tickets but even people who were forced to buy them didn't want to go
@@KRAZYKDM.OFFICIAL Hi my fellow Korean. Your description is very spot-on. My father used to be a professor in local university and he was one of those people who were „forced” to buy tickets. However my family really enjoyed Formula 1 after our first visit, so we made second visit as well, unfortunately both paid 🥲
This track was built in the middle of nowhere, and it was way too far away from Seoul or any other major city in South Korea, you know, where the market is.
I was at the track last weekend for the Hyundai N Festival. First thing I did was having a dump in the race director building. Still can't decide if this is a good thing but I am sure it's a nice story😂
Hahaha. Yea it's crazy how easy access it is. I've been pretty much everywhere at the track. In the team buildings, the media building, in the room just behind the podium hanging out with the models bedore the podium ceremony.... It's nuts. The first year of F1 my buddy wandered into one of the team's kitchens. Finally got stopped by security but instead of kicking him out, the security tried to give him a team pass because he assumed my buddy was supposed to be there. Just no questions asked.
Lovely layout, but had a claustrophobic feel to it with the walls being so up close. The lack of fans made it feel sterile. All of that is a shame as the potential was there.
The layout had potential all right, but the pit lane issue was a big problem. It should never have been on the outside of the track - if it was in the same area on the inside, there would have been less interference with the racing line.
i used to work as member f1 Korean grand prix organizer committee, it was fun organizing the event, but the gap between hope and reality was too far apart. i had lot of complain regarding why is korea hosting such a big event in remote area without central government support. 1. too remote area, i remember, Michael Schumacher stayed Kwangju and flew to circuit with helicopter, which takes about 30~40min ride. 2. lack of central government support due to miscommunication with greedy local government. 3. Lack of infrastructure near the circuit. 4. Yeongam, and Mokpo people were trying to take advantage of F1 event, they marked up all prices. i think those 4 are main reason why it failed. i attended 2010 and 2012.
I think if it had been closer to seoul (incheon ideally) or one of the bigger main cities and had been organised from recent years instead of 2010, it would have been much more successful. Korea now has a much bigger reach internationally and having korean celebrities attend would definitely fill the stands and interest in the sport. Pity really, but there are other countries much more eager for a chance at hosting a gp.
In Indonesia we have a abandoned circuit called Lippo Village International Formula Circuit, The track was confirmed to host a round of the 2008-09 A1 Grand Prix season, but its closed in 2011
The Jeollado province, where the Yeongam Circuit is located, is known for corruption involving government officials and contractors. Almost every single SOC projects carried out in Jeollado had problems like this one and many of them even got canceled in the middle.
Great video, such an interesting but also not surprising case. I don't think I've EVER seen a case where there are plans to build a new city around something and it worked (coughcough Akoncity coughcough). It's always a farce, you can't just magic up an entire place worth living in like that.
If the track was near an urban area, the 2010 race would’ve helped kick start a mass flow of Korean audience to the circuit to a certain degree. However you have to remember Korea has some of the busiest and most brutal work life in the world. I believe sooner or later, the circuit will fail despite being close to civilization due to the fact people won’t have the time or interest to care about racing
They do have the time to care. Sure, a lot of people don't, but then the same work-life balance limits would apply the same way to the Japanese. Loads of Koreans regularly engage in hobbies of their own. Many spend hours and hours in a PC Shop, and others hours in a hobby club discussing sports. They have the time to get engaged in something. I just think that motorsports is just having a much harder time breaking into Korea because the dominant automakers there don't have as big a presence in motorsports in general (you see Hyundai in Rally, but the rest of their appearances are less recognizable), and they definitely aren't pouring as much money into motorsports until someone Korean breaks through international motorsports. They just haven't gotten the right start to really get into motorsports. This circuit could've been what did that, but it just couldn't.
@@77R_ there are some "big" races here in Korea but DEFINITELY not as big as you're probably imagining. Even when they have free races at the Yeongam Circuit they can't fill more than maybe 50% of the main grandstands
Always liked the Asian Grand Prixs, especially those run in autumn. Being from Germany, having breakfast, watching F1 while it´s windy and rainy outside. I always really loved that setup.
They did race in 2013... I guess people tend to forget about that, thanks to Vettel's Domination over the 2nd Part of the season. But such shame it failed. It could produce more banger races, but sadly it wasn't destined for that. Place of the Track that looks more like a Desert and/or Field and Some kinda Forest at some areas... Well, It didn't look like a ideal place for it. Maybe if this was built in a actual city it would work actually. But sadly the great track design was taken to the wrong place, It still could be Korea, but in the city, (Of some Capacity, that would make actual profits, instead of losses.) with actual people livin' there. That way it could have profits from that.
I went to the 2013 race; I was stationed there, and it the tickets were really cheap and came with a bus ride to and from the track. I personally enjoyed the race and to be honest I don't remember being bothered about the track being underdeveloped if anything I had more visibility of the track since it was so bare.
2013 was MILES better than 2010. The first year was a joke. Unfinished gravel parking lots that flooded, mostly temporary bathrooms, little to no food available. Stands that were closed off because they hadn't finished bolting the seats in...
1. Monza had 69 grand prix races so far and most used track. 2.Then Monaco 66 grand prix races. Then 3. Silverstone with 53 grand prix races. 4. Spa 52 grand prix races. They sure have lots of tracks to race on in a season.
The best circuits tend to be the ones with racing heritage, Britain, Brazil, Italy, Belgium, Germany, Japan and the failures are in countries without that passion for motorsport like China, Korea, India, etc
I think this was one of Hermann Tilke's worst layouts. No natural flow, no areas that would allow for continuous side-by-side racing, and the track is just too far away from a heavily populated city.
Didn't know anything about this track ,. But yesterday I pick up " Formula 1 Vietnam Grand prix 2020" porcelain bronze drum . Given to the overseas press,.
i could see the same thing to happens to Mandalika circuit in Indonesia, they have the same issues, which hosted wsbk and motogp 2022 and 2023. The circuit built in a remote place, hasn't been in profit, and were too pricey for us local, so the antusiasm isnt high...
To me, the course looks like a chore to drive. 5 of the first 6 turns are hairpins with bend angles greater than 90 degrees. Turns 10 and 15 are also greater than 90 degrees, but look a little faster. The rest of the turns look like medium-speed sweepers. And the whole thing is flat as a board, so there is no entertainment value from driving vertical curves. I only remember the first Korean GP, mostly because of the last-minute rush to get the track completed that was reported in the media. I've completely blanked out the fact there were Korean GP's after that.
5:14 - Worst “PIT-LANE” entry “EVER”!!!! Why they did not put the damn thing “ON THE SHORT STRAIGHT BEFORE THE FINAL 2 CORNERS” *clap* *clap* *clap* GOOD JOB TILKIE *clap* *clap* *clap*
VG'ing? I personally found the circuit too fiddly. Loved the straights. But TOO many fiddly corners. And if you look at the place on the map. It seems in the middle of nowhere. I can see why it failed. ☮
Generally, motorsports in South Korea is both unpopular and unappealing to the public. Even the 2022 Formula E Seoul ePrix season finale had an attendance of 36,000 (just over half of the full 60,000 capacity, but in their defence it was a very monsoon day). Despite that, EV sales and demand in Korea is at an all-time high, so a perfect opportunity for Formula E to keep utilising Seoul ePrix.
I hope this will be the same fate for the Las Vegas F1. Most locals are already annoyed by the numerous inconveniences caused by trying to get the infrastructure ready 2 months before the scheduled event.
Something which strikes me is the idea of building a city around the track. Despite being the F1 fan and generally liking racing myself, I would not like to live in a close proximity to the race track.
As a Korean F1 fan, it breaks my heart to see failures like these. Unlike the West, or even Japan, motorsport is extremely niche in Korea. F1 is not aired on TV, and before Coupang started broadcasting it, there was no legal way to watch it. And I'm never going to forgive the 2022 Seoul E-Prix. I was planning to go watch it in person, but the tickets cost a million won, which is around 1000 USD. Front row tickets to Billie Eilish's concert the next day were cheaper than that. And the final laps of the final race were cut off in order to air a soap opera. I had to watch TH-cam to figure out who won the race. It was a total disaster.
I didn't realize the Formula E tickets were so expensive. I was at every F1 race in Yeongam and never once paid for a ticket... I was always given tickets...
All well and good, nice channel, good videos, but the F*in beep at the end of the video is deafening for headphone users.. and Korea circuit, a shame, highspeed straights like those look fun
Bad things tend to happen when you build tracks in the middle of nowhere and attendance is well under capacity.
Mandalika may suffer the same fate
Worth noting it's not actually in the middle of nowhere, it's in the industrial district of Mokpo. That being said, it's still in a very inconvenient location, nevermind the ugly land the track itself sits on
@@pavise6333not surprised if it happens too
The opposite can happen too. For exemple, France gp was in the Magny Cours racetrack in the past. Despite being far from « big cities » a lot of people were going there. The problem was that it was creating a lot of traffic jam everytime cause the roads were not big enough for everybody to come. So people were annoyed because of the mess and the difficulty to go to the track, waiting for hours stopped on the road.
But a tad bit interesting that Silverstone is in the middle of nowhere yet doesn’t fail to sell out. Make a track that produces exciting racing and people will come
A little correction: The Korean Grand Prix has been held 4, not 3 times, from 2010 to 2013. The last race was most notable for a great performance by Nico Hulkenberg who got 4th place in a Sauber, his best ever career finish to date.
I remember that one - he kept Hamilton behind him for half the race with brilliant KERS usage.
2013 was an interesting one when the safety truck(?) came out out of nowhere xD .ark webber also could've had his last win there had he not retired just like in India
2010 and 2013 were good races, surprising results, chaotic races. The title was still on in both years (although in 2013 it was looking pretty much done except mathematically). Kimi and Romain's fight, Perez's puncture, Nico's front wing, SUV safety car, Mark's car on fire.....decent race actually.
So his best is 4th in almost 10 years, doesn't sound very good? I mean the best seem to be first many times.
@@teijaflink2226 He's never had a car that was good enough to win. It's as simple as that. The 4th with a Sauber was a miracle as is. He's a very talented driver who simply hasn't had a winning car under him.
Bernie thought South Korea would have the same mindset in motorsport like the Japanese have, but he was so wrong. There was no existing motorsport culture to speak. F1 went to South Korea solely on the basis that the country is an important automotive market without researching whether or not the populace was even that interested in motorsport
You can get a population into motorsport, by.... yknow.... not having a track far away from population centers where people might want to check it out
@@grahamreece519 but still It won't work that easily/on theory. Indian GP, Russian GP and Turkish GP for example. They have big population/crowd, they make racetrack not in the middle pf nowhere but 2 of them got cancelled because of underwhelming results for them so the govt didn't want to hold any F1 GP again.
@@bimapriambada1098 Well, India was generally quite a bit poorer than Korea, and Russia was cancelled for the war. You're right about Turkey, but my point is that it would've had a hell of a better chance if they didn't go with this stupid city concept.
@@bimapriambada1098Indian GP was mostly cancelled because the state government under which the Buddh Circuit came was socialist, and you know socialist beaureaucracy
Wow! One of the worst Bernie's misperception in my time as F1® fan. 😮
I remember a story from this era from one of the teams. It was said that the people in charge of the track turned the power off, locked the doors and walked away until the next year. The next year teams were greeted by spoiled food that had been left in garage and suite refrigerators.
Bob Varsha recounted this story on Speed Channel in the US. I think it was the second year of the race (2011).
Yeah some of the drivers said there was still champagne corks on the podium from the year before
Bruh that's nasty...
I was there for the inaugural race. It was a terrible experience. The place was a muddy mess, there was nothing around the track, there were no vendors selling food or drinks, the ticketing and seating system was a joke, the bleachers had nuts and bolts laying around everywhere as they had hastily installed them, and price of the hotel we booked magically changed to almost double the price we booked it at when we went to check in.
According to rumors in korea, construction of the stands was under way until the day before the match because Chinese companies did not send construction materials on purpose at the time of construction.
This time on Perspective we explore the deflated Pacman circuit in Korea...
I will forever remember this track as the one where Mark Webber threw away his title chances in 2010 after spinning off in the penultimate corner, sliding through the Korean mud and taking Nico Rosberg out with him. Such a shame, up to that point Webber was looking to be the favorite for the championship but he never recovered his mojo after that moment.
That and the Vettel rivalry plus Mark’s spectacular crash at Valencia.
Well to begin with, he never was a stable driver to compete for a championship lol he was super slow in some tracks compaired to his teammates 😂
@@deliriumbee4678and super fast in others. Probably not consistent enough but he was unstoppable on his day
As a Korean, as much as I want an f1 race to be held here, I think it shouldn’t because f1 deserves better support. There are so many countries that are eager to host one and have more supportive crowds, so I think it’s a waste of time and slot to race here tbh
Small correction mate, they raced in 2013
3 circuits I miss: Hockenheim (old configuration, obviously), Nürburgring, and Sepang.
Sepang is not new one.there has other and oldest circuits in Malaysia such like Johor and Syah alam
I'm sad I want F1 to go back to Korea again it would be so fun with all the interaction from Korea celebrities and the pop culture there
2012 had one of the best calendars of all time with Malaysia, India and Korea it was so amazing
Nurburgring wasn’t on the calendar in 2012, maybe you mistook Hockenheimring for Nurburgring ?
2012 probably had the best driver lineup ever. One of the best things of the calendar was that it still ended in Brazil. I don't think the Indian and Korean tracks were that special but put against the recent Miami and Qatar additions then yes. No Austria or Mexico yet though.
@@soundscape26only two problems in that lineup were both terror*ssians. Nobody needed petrov and the team like materror*ssia. As for races Austria, Mexico, Zandvoort and France at Paul Ricard to replace both arabic dictatorships, r*ssian buttlickers of hungary and commies would've been nice.
Yes, 2012 was one of the most memorable F1 seasons
@@mexii.I don’t particularly think that the Nurburgring is a great track for F1, yeah we’ve seen a few good battles but I’d rather have back Kyalami or Hockenheim.
Favourite story of this race was the F1 circus returning after racing the year before to find the bins had rubbish left over from the previous GP. Basically the track had sat dormant for an entire year as soon as F1 left.
Also that first race with the track surface issues meaning Korea's first F1 race started late and then ran for 10s of laps behind a safety car. Basically the worst first impression any modern track has ever had.
I kinda Liked the track
Alonso's Win in 2010 in Korea was Something Special
He only won because Vettels Engine went Apeshit lol very special
@@method0409that iconic cackle
Three-line summary of my long opinion:
1. the failure of the Korean Grand Prix is the result of a "showpiece" event for the local government and an organizer who is ignorant of F1.
2. the problem still hasn't been fixed, as evidenced by last year's Seoul E-Prix.
3. even if the popularity of F1 and motorsports is growing in Korea, international formula racing events are unlikely to succeed unless these fundamental issues are addressed.
본인 의견에 대한 세 줄 요약:
1. 한국 그랑프리의 실패는 지방 정부의 '보여주기식' 행사와, F1에 대해 무지한 주최 측의 결과임.
2. 작년 서울 E-Prix에서 알 수 있듯, 아직도 그 문제가 고쳐지지 않음.
3. F1과 모터스포츠에 대한 인기가 한국에서 오르고 있어도, 이런 근본적인 문제가 해결되지 않는 이상 국제적인 포뮬러 레이싱 대회는 성공하기 힘듦.
First of all, as a Korean, the failure of the Korean Grand Prix is very painful.
우선 한국인으로서, 한국 그랑프리의 실패는 너무 뼈아픕니다.
The fiasco pinpoints one of South Korea's social problems: local government "show" events. Even the commercial in this video compares F1 to the Olympics and World Cup, showing that it is a prestigious sporting event (3:07). What makes F1 different from the Olympics and World Cup is that the financial support comes from a local government, namely the provincial government of Jeollanam-do, rather than South Korea's central government.
사실 이 실패는 한국의 사회 문제 중 하나를 정확히 보여주는데, 바로 지방 정부의 '보여주기식' 행사입니다. 이 영상의 광고에서도 F1을 올림픽과 월드컵에 비유하며, 명망 높은 스포츠 행사라는 것을 보여주고 있습니다(3:07). 다만 올림픽과 월드컵에 비해 F1이 달랐던 것은, 재정적인 지원을 한국의 중앙 정부가 아닌 지방 정부, 즉 전라남도 도청에서 행했다는 것입니다.
The fact that Jeollanam-do hosted the event is quite surprising, as in the past, Korean F1 fans had hoped that the Grand Prix would be held in a "densely populated area" such as Seoul, Incheon, or Busan. While several local governments showed some interest, they were dismissed due to complaints from residents about noise pollution, the burden of a huge budget, and the uncertainty of revenue to match, and only Jeollanam-do went through with it. This was surprising because Jeollanam-do has always been a grain-growing region and has never had much to do with the automotive industry, but once it was confirmed, South Korean F1 fans could only hope that they would prepare properly.
사실 전라남도가 이런 행사를 개최했다는 것은 상당히 의외인 부분이기도 한데, 과거의 한국인 F1 팬들은 그랑프리가 '인구 밀도가 높은 지역', 즉 서울이나 인천, 부산 등에서 열리기를 바랐기 때문입니다. 여러 지자체들이 어느 정도의 관심을 보였기는 했으나, 소음 공해를 비롯한 주민의 민원이나 거대한 예산 지출의 부담과 그에 걸맞은 수익의 불확실성의 문제로 기각되었고, 오직 전라남도만 끝까지 추진한 것이 그 결과가 된 것입니다. 전라남도는 예전부터 곡창지대였고, 자동차 산업과는 이렇다 할 관련이 없었기에 더욱 의외이기도 했습니다. 그럼에도 한국의 F1 팬들은 개최가 확정된 이상 그들이 제대로 준비하기를 바랄 뿐이었습니다.
However, that dream never came true. The organization in charge of F1 in South Korea did not know the sport, and embarrassed the people who paid for their tickets by giving away so-called "free tickets." They seemed to think that F1 was a "one-off" event, like the Olympics or World Cup, and that they would make a "show" of it in a short period. As you know, it's very difficult to break even on an F1 event alone, and most of the time it's a combination of the commercial areas around it that make the economic benefits. The deficit at the Korean Grand Prix was shrinking every year, but *politicians* with no knowledge of F1 came down hard on the officials.
그러나 그 꿈은 절대 이뤄지지 않았습니다. 한국의 F1 담당 단체는 F1과 관련한 지식이 전무했고, 이른바 '공짜표'를 남발해 제값을 주고 티켓을 산 사람들을 당혹스럽게 만들었습니다. 그들은 F1이 올림픽이나 월드컵처럼 '1회성' 경기라고 생각했는지, 단기간 내에 본인들의 '보여주기식' 업적을 만들 생각으로 가득 차 보였습니다. 여러분도 아시다시피 F1 경기만으로 손익분기점을 넘는 것은 매우 힘든 일이며, 그 주변의 상권과 결합하여 경제적 이익을 얻는 것이 대부분입니다. 한국 그랑프리의 적자폭은 매년 줄어들긴 했으나, F1에 대한 지식이 전무한 *정치인*들은 관계자를 강하게 추궁했습니다.
Plans to build a city next to the circuit are also virtually impossible to realize. The motorsport culture in South Korea is not very developed: despite the presence of car giants like Hyundai, the country's rapid industrialization has not allowed time for motorsport to develop (although the country's "Confucian culture" is partly to blame). Bernard Ecclestone probably got this part wrong, but anyway, Korea had a strong culture of 'racing=illegal street racing' (at least at the time), so the culture of viewing racing as 'offensive' also played a big part in the failure of the Korean Grand Prix. Also, with permanent circuits next to cities, 'noise pollution' is one of Korea's main sources of complaints. Most Koreans would not have wanted to live next to a space where the sound of engines could be heard in full force.
서킷 옆에 도시를 만든다는 계획도 사실 실현되기가 불가능에 가깝습니다. 한국의 모터스포츠 문화는 그리 발달하지 않았습니다. 현대 등 거대 자동차 회사들이 활약하고 있음에도 불구하고, 한국의 급격한 산업화로 인해 모터스포츠가 발달할 시간적 여지를 만들 수 없었습니다(한국의 '유교 문화'도 원인 중 하나이기는 합니다). Bernard Ecclestone은 아마 이 부분을 착각했지 않을까 싶습니다. 여하튼 한국은 (적어도 그 당시에는) '레이싱=불법 폭주 레이싱'을 떠올리는 문화가 강했고, 그렇기에 레이싱을 '상스럽게'보는 문화 역시도 한국 그랑프리의 실패에 큰 영향을 끼쳤습니다. 또한 상설 서킷이 도시 옆에 있는 상태에서, '소음 공해'는 한국의 주요 민원 원인 중 하나입니다. 엔진음이 한껏 들리는 공간 옆에서 대부분의 한국인들은 생활하고 싶지 않았을 것입니다.
The popularity of F1 in South Korea began to grow after the Netflix drama aired, and with the recent official (finally!) availability of F1 coverage in South Korea, the sport's popularity in the country began to gain another momentum.
한국에서 F1의 인기는 넷플릭스의 드라마가 방영된 이후 증가하기 시작했으며, 최근 한국에서의 F1 중계가 공식적으로 (이제서야!) 이루어지며, 한국에서 이 스포츠의 인기에 또 다른 추진력이 붙기 시작했습니다.
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Last year's Formula E race replicated these F1 failings: a lack of communication between organizers and fans, a lack of understanding of motorsports on the part of the organizers, and most importantly: a "show" event and ticket prices meant to "blow you away. With the cheapest ticket costing $75 and the most expensive one a whopping $380, the very high ticket prices compared to other FE events discouraged non-motorsport fans from buying tickets.
작년에 이루어진 Formula E 경기에서는 이러한 F1의 실패를 정확이 답습했습니다. 주최자와 팬들 사이 소통의 부재, 주최자의 모터스포츠에 대한 이해의 부재, 그리고 가장 중요한 것: '보여주기식' 이벤트와 '한탕 치고자 하는' 티켓 가격. 가장 싼 티켓이 75$, 가장 비싼 티켓은 무려 380$에 육박했습니다. 다른 FE 경기에 비해 매우 비싼 티켓 가격은 모터스포츠 팬들이 아닌 사람들로 하여금 티켓 구매를 주저하게 만들었습니다.
What was even more shocking was that staff were handing out 'free tickets' at the E-Village, which was open to everyone! As someone who paid for a ticket, I was shocked to see that this was no different from the F1 Grand Prix a decade ago. The Seoul E-Prix was also held as part of the 'Seoul Festa', which was not the original idea of having the 'Seoul E-Prix' as the centrepiece, and it became just one of the side events. In the Korean motorsports community, there have been many rumblings of so-called "cheating" among the volunteers who helped organize the event, and to this day, the incident has been swept under the rug without any explanation. With all the pre-race rumblings, fans in Korea were saying, "It looks like it's going to be a one-off event, so we'll go even if it's cheesy," and indeed, the Seoul E-Prix was removed from the calendar this year.
심지어 더 경악할 만한 일은, 누구나 들어갈 수 있는 E-Village에서 직원들이 '공짜표'를 나눠주고 있었다는 것이었습니다! 돈을 주고 티켓을 구매한 저로서는 이해할 수 없는 정책이면서, 그와 동시에 10년 전의 F1 그랑프리와 달라진 점이 없다는 것이 충격이었습니다. 또한 서울 E-프리는 '서울 페스타'의 일부로 진행되었는데, 이는 애당초 '서울 E-Prix'가 중심이 되는 원안과 달랐으며, 그저 부대 행사 중 하나로 전락해 버렸습니다. 한국 모터스포츠 커뮤니티에서는 행사 진행을 도와준 자원봉사자들 사이에 일명 '갑질'에 대한 여러 잡음이 울려왔으며, 현재까지도 어떠한 해명 없이 그 사건은 덮어졌습니다. 경기 전부터 여러 소란이 들려오자, 국내의 팬들은 "1회성 이벤트가 될 것 같으니 치사하더라도 가야겠다"라는 소리를 했고, 정말로, 서울 E-Prix는 올해 캘린더에서 제외되었습니다.
As mentioned above, F1 fans had hoped that conditions would be better if an international motorsports event was held in Seoul, but the failure of last year's Seoul E-Prix proved that it's not so much about population density as it is about organizational savvy (not to say that population density isn't important). The Seoul E-Prix was held while blocking a public road that is a key part of Seoul's transportation, and the results were not good, ultimately giving non-motorsports fans a bad taste in their mouths about racing, and motorsports fans in South Korea are just hoping for an organizer who is as passionate as they are.
상술했듯 F1 팬들은 국제적인 모터스포츠 경기가 서울에서 열렸다면 여건은 더 나아졌을 거라고 기대했지만, 작년 서울 E-프리의 실패로 인구밀도보다는 주최 측의 이해도에 따라 성패가 결정된다는 것을 알게 되었습니다(절대로 인구 밀도가 중요하지 않다는 말이 아닙니다). 서울 E-Prix는 서울 교통의 핵심이 되는 공도를 막고 진행되었고, 그 결과는 좋지 않았기에 결국 비모터스포츠 팬들에게 레이싱에 대한 좋지 않은 인식만 씌워주었으며, 한국의 모터스포츠 팬들은 단지 자신들처럼 열정 있는 주최사가 나타나기를 간절히 바랄 뿐입니다.
To this day, as a Korean motorsports fan, I look forward to seeing international formula races once again, but if these complex issues are not resolved, I would respectfully decline to host them.
지금 이 순간까지도 저는 한국의 모터스포츠 팬으로서 다시금 국제적인 포뮬러 경기가 열리기를 고대하고 있지만, 이토록 복합적인 문제가 해결되지 않는다면 저는 그 경기들의 개최를 정중히 사양하고 싶습니다.
this deserves a pin or two
thanks for that insight
@@ryuguji8628 Did I elevate pain to a pin? 🤣
@@davidsaintcyr3384 Thanks for that interest!
That track was so fun on the f1 games. Lots of swooping corners with intense/percise braking required, only to have two long straights completely sabotage your set up so you had to wrestle the car through corners. Great track
I love the quality of this video, it's like a mini documentary!
It was a fun track to drive, but even in a video game it felt industrial and empty
Currently, in Korea, the city of Incheon, where Incheon International Airport is located, has declared the hosting of the F1 race. However, even if the race is held in the future, such motor sports may be outlawed in the cause of preventing noise pollution depending on Korean citizens' reaction to it.
Incheon? Really? 😮
im korean, i want very very korea gp back but not that terrible circuit. i want incheon gp
@@kaiser3433 Greetings from 🇮🇩 to 🇰🇷. I also very miss the Korean Grand Prix. By the way, which is Incheon?
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 2010~2013 korea gp wasn’t held incheon. it named yeongam. yeongam is sooooo far from seoul but incheon is next to seoul and there is incheon international airport
amazing video as always man! I never liked the track that much but still a historic circuit. also your 100th like 😉
Thanks for the support mate 😄
Sometimes I will see a video's opening and immediately fall in love with a creator's style. I look forwards to seeing more of your work here!
Awesome video as always! Keep it up big man
Thank you bro!
That would definitely be one of the tracks I'd like to see back in the F1 game, along with India. I still have the games from that time, but I find the handling very hard to get used to from today's perspective. At the time, it was said that a city would form around the track. According to Google Maps, there is still nothing there today.
I agree, driving this track and India in the new F1 game would be awesome!
You forgot Istanbul
@@AndyS-kv2jhand Nürburgring and mugello and Hockenheim
Can confirm. Was at the track last weekend for an event, it's still as undeveloped as it was 10 years ago. It has a nice karting circuit though, will probably go there again in October for a GT race.
Correct. There never will be anything of note built in that area as it sits as far away from Seoul metropolitan area as possible.
Building the track in what seems a million miles from Seoul was the first mistake. The track is still very much used for other series but I don't ever see F1 going back there to that track.
Ya it's used quite a bit but attendance is always low. Even for free events most people don't care. It doesn't help that local racing series don't advertise much at all so unless you search it out, you'd never even know the races were happening...
Track looks fun! Gonna have to find a version of this for AC!
Basically the image they were selling was based on developing a city around the track but then the recession hit so they wound up with a track in a swamp in the middle of nowhere. But I always really liked the track itself for F1, think it was one of the better modern additions to the calendar in terms of the layout of the circuit itself.
it would have been a beautiful and awesome event if it was succesful , it would be so interesting to see a permanent track in the middle of the city, could have been amazing.
What always baffles me is how nobody seems to have the idea to copy the nürburgrings tourist drives concept. Its basically affordable for anyone who can affort a full tank of gas and helps build a local racing community, which will support the track
Nurburgring has spent a huge amount of money on safety features
@blabla124151515 to bring it up to modern safety standards. Its an 1930s track. It still has way less runoff than you find at usual tracks, especially in fast corners. Couldn't construct one new today like that
I've been watching F1 for while now and I just can't remember ever watching a Korean grand prix, I'm slowly starting to think either I'm crazy, or the internet has made an elaborate hoax...
Great video, subscriber gained!
Tbh I liked a lot of those late 2000 to 2010s tracks that F1 no longer goes to, Buddh, Sepang, Istanbul….but the track in Korea was particularly awful 😂
I’m still a fan of this circuit and also Buddh international circuit. Hope f1 goes back to both these circuits. 🙏🤷♂️
It did happen 4 times, from 2010-13. Otherwise, very interesting topic!. Awesome video as always! Keep it up big man.
Nice video PERS. First as well!
Thanks for watching bro!
good video, just one correction: The Korean GP happened *4 times, not 3*,it stayed in the calendar from 2010 to 2013, the 2013 edition being a mostly bland race with a few incidents and tyre/wing failures, it was won by Seb Vettel.
I grew up in southwest Korea, visited Korea Grand Prix in 2010 with my parents. Tickets were really given out free and I remember people around me making fun of my family who paid for the tickets. In general, people didn’t really appreciate and they all left before the race ended. Most of them also were wearing earplugs…hah.
Ya. They gave out tickets and a lot of companies forced their higher-ups to buy tickets to support the race. The second year of F1 I was given tickets at the end of the front straight looking straight down the start/finish line. Pricey tickets but even people who were forced to buy them didn't want to go
@@KRAZYKDM.OFFICIAL Hi my fellow Korean. Your description is very spot-on. My father used to be a professor in local university and he was one of those people who were „forced” to buy tickets. However my family really enjoyed Formula 1 after our first visit, so we made second visit as well, unfortunately both paid 🥲
This track was built in the middle of nowhere, and it was way too far away from Seoul or any other major city in South Korea, you know, where the market is.
I was at the track last weekend for the Hyundai N Festival. First thing I did was having a dump in the race director building.
Still can't decide if this is a good thing but I am sure it's a nice story😂
Hahaha. Yea it's crazy how easy access it is. I've been pretty much everywhere at the track. In the team buildings, the media building, in the room just behind the podium hanging out with the models bedore the podium ceremony.... It's nuts. The first year of F1 my buddy wandered into one of the team's kitchens. Finally got stopped by security but instead of kicking him out, the security tried to give him a team pass because he assumed my buddy was supposed to be there. Just no questions asked.
i kinda miss this circuit same with the India & Sepang circuits. More races for us Asian F1 fans !!
2013 was the last race of Korean Grand Prix not 2012!
I remember the Gangnam style dude waving the chequered flag in 2012
Sign of the times
Good lord
I enjoyed driving this circuit in the games. Had a good flow
This, along with Indian GP, are my favorite currently unused F1 tracks. It's sad seeing the current state of track itself.
Tilke and F1, still a better love story than Twilight
Lovely layout, but had a claustrophobic feel to it with the walls being so up close. The lack of fans made it feel sterile. All of that is a shame as the potential was there.
The layout had potential all right, but the pit lane issue was a big problem. It should never have been on the outside of the track - if it was in the same area on the inside, there would have been less interference with the racing line.
This video is way ahead of its time.
They should have built the small city first and then the track. How were they ever going to build a small city in the middle of a completed track?
i used to work as member f1 Korean grand prix organizer committee, it was fun organizing the event, but the gap between hope and reality was too far apart. i had lot of complain regarding why is korea hosting such a big event in remote area without central government support.
1. too remote area, i remember, Michael Schumacher stayed Kwangju and flew to circuit with helicopter, which takes about 30~40min ride.
2. lack of central government support due to miscommunication with greedy local government.
3. Lack of infrastructure near the circuit.
4. Yeongam, and Mokpo people were trying to take advantage of F1 event, they marked up all prices.
i think those 4 are main reason why it failed.
i attended 2010 and 2012.
There were so many issues. I was at the race every year and it was shameful how bad everything was.
I think if it had been closer to seoul (incheon ideally) or one of the bigger main cities and had been organised from recent years instead of 2010, it would have been much more successful. Korea now has a much bigger reach internationally and having korean celebrities attend would definitely fill the stands and interest in the sport. Pity really, but there are other countries much more eager for a chance at hosting a gp.
It did happen 4 times, from 2010-13. Otherwise, very interesting topic!
the beep at the end is way too loud
As a korean, there's not much support for it in Korea. Not big into auto racing. If there was a Korean driver, maybe
The local racing scene here in Korea is growing. But even then most people here don't care.
Correct me if am wrong F1 raced in 2013 in Korea
Correct, my mistake
@@MadeByPerspective No worries!!
By the way congrats on 100k subs
Hi! Is a similar video about Jacarepagua in your plans? Or maybe Montjuic our Rouen-Les-Essarts or Watkins Glen or Long Beach?
Was I the only person who liked the Indian GP track? Even though it was in a smog bog the track was cool
The track was good, very fun to drive in F1 2011.
I used to love Yeongam, I was sad when it was left out of the concurring F1 calendars prior.
In Indonesia we have a abandoned circuit called Lippo Village International Formula Circuit, The track was confirmed to host a round of the 2008-09 A1 Grand Prix season, but its closed in 2011
Will always remember as where Webber lost the world title, horrible weather
At least, I can see Michael Schumacher's raceing through my eyes.
The Jeollado province, where the Yeongam Circuit is located, is known for corruption involving government officials and contractors. Almost every single SOC projects carried out in Jeollado had problems like this one and many of them even got canceled in the middle.
Great video, such an interesting but also not surprising case. I don't think I've EVER seen a case where there are plans to build a new city around something and it worked (coughcough Akoncity coughcough). It's always a farce, you can't just magic up an entire place worth living in like that.
Unless you have Arabs money. That's the difference.
I really want this track as a DLC in a F1 game 😢
If the track was near an urban area, the 2010 race would’ve helped kick start a mass flow of Korean audience to the circuit to a certain degree. However you have to remember Korea has some of the busiest and most brutal work life in the world. I believe sooner or later, the circuit will fail despite being close to civilization due to the fact people won’t have the time or interest to care about racing
They do have the time to care. Sure, a lot of people don't, but then the same work-life balance limits would apply the same way to the Japanese. Loads of Koreans regularly engage in hobbies of their own. Many spend hours and hours in a PC Shop, and others hours in a hobby club discussing sports. They have the time to get engaged in something. I just think that motorsports is just having a much harder time breaking into Korea because the dominant automakers there don't have as big a presence in motorsports in general (you see Hyundai in Rally, but the rest of their appearances are less recognizable), and they definitely aren't pouring as much money into motorsports until someone Korean breaks through international motorsports. They just haven't gotten the right start to really get into motorsports. This circuit could've been what did that, but it just couldn't.
@@jinsory5582it’s strange because I thought that the korean speed festival was still a big event in korea’s motorsport scene
@@77R_ there are some "big" races here in Korea but DEFINITELY not as big as you're probably imagining. Even when they have free races at the Yeongam Circuit they can't fill more than maybe 50% of the main grandstands
@@KRAZYKDM.OFFICIAL Ah I see
Always liked the Asian Grand Prixs, especially those run in autumn. Being from Germany, having breakfast, watching F1 while it´s windy and rainy outside. I always really loved that setup.
I am not a big fan of slow tight corners in racing. it might be great for time trials, but in a race you want passing opportunities.
There absolutely was a 2013 Korean Grand Prix, for a total of 4.
They did race in 2013... I guess people tend to forget about that, thanks to Vettel's Domination over the 2nd Part of the season.
But such shame it failed. It could produce more banger races, but sadly it wasn't destined for that. Place of the Track that looks more like a Desert and/or Field and Some kinda Forest at some areas... Well, It didn't look like a ideal place for it. Maybe if this was built in a actual city it would work actually. But sadly the great track design was taken to the wrong place, It still could be Korea, but in the city, (Of some Capacity, that would make actual profits, instead of losses.) with actual people livin' there. That way it could have profits from that.
Great video. You should do F1 South Africa next. We haven't had a Grand Prix in a while.
I went to the 2013 race; I was stationed there, and it the tickets were really cheap and came with a bus ride to and from the track. I personally enjoyed the race and to be honest I don't remember being bothered about the track being underdeveloped if anything I had more visibility of the track since it was so bare.
2013 was MILES better than 2010. The first year was a joke. Unfinished gravel parking lots that flooded, mostly temporary bathrooms, little to no food available. Stands that were closed off because they hadn't finished bolting the seats in...
What I hate most is the waist of it all. All that money, hype, excitement, all for not. Thankfully it’s still being used and hasn’t been bull dosed.
1. Monza had 69 grand prix races so far and most used track. 2.Then Monaco 66 grand prix races. Then 3. Silverstone with 53 grand prix races. 4. Spa 52 grand prix races. They sure have lots of tracks to race on in a season.
F1 should've raced in Seoul Central Street Circuit.
The best circuits tend to be the ones with racing heritage, Britain, Brazil, Italy, Belgium, Germany, Japan and the failures are in countries without that passion for motorsport like China, Korea, India, etc
Good video👍
2013 was the last time this race was on the calendar actually.
I think this was one of Hermann Tilke's worst layouts. No natural flow, no areas that would allow for continuous side-by-side racing, and the track is just too far away from a heavily populated city.
At least, Korea is still better than a planned street circuit of Hanoi.
Imagine if they made a new Seoul Track for Formula 1 that could be much better than this, now that would be more ineresting
Didn't know anything about this track ,. But yesterday I pick up " Formula 1 Vietnam Grand prix 2020" porcelain bronze drum .
Given to the overseas press,.
That was my favourite track in f1 2010 to 13
Hears the word Tilke.. ah fuck.. here we go again.
i could see the same thing to happens to Mandalika circuit in Indonesia, they have the same issues, which hosted wsbk and motogp 2022 and 2023. The circuit built in a remote place, hasn't been in profit, and were too pricey for us local, so the antusiasm isnt high...
Thoughts on a video on the layout changes to all the circuits recently and its impact on the racing 🤔
Anyone remember when Hamilton picked up some astroturf and it got stuck on the sidepod
To me, the course looks like a chore to drive. 5 of the first 6 turns are hairpins with bend angles greater than 90 degrees. Turns 10 and 15 are also greater than 90 degrees, but look a little faster. The rest of the turns look like medium-speed sweepers. And the whole thing is flat as a board, so there is no entertainment value from driving vertical curves.
I only remember the first Korean GP, mostly because of the last-minute rush to get the track completed that was reported in the media. I've completely blanked out the fact there were Korean GP's after that.
more than a decade before Korean GP there was Pacific GP with TI Aida. seems like nobody learned lessons from that
It's a shame because I liked that track in the Codemasters game 🎮
Sadly one of my favourite tracks.
This is one of my favorite tracks on “the f1 2010 video game”……
5:14 - Worst “PIT-LANE” entry “EVER”!!!! Why they did not put the damn thing
“ON THE SHORT STRAIGHT BEFORE THE FINAL 2 CORNERS”
*clap* *clap* *clap* GOOD JOB TILKIE *clap* *clap* *clap*
So many turns the best is suzuka monza spa
4:00 Jamie Algersuari? It's Jeime (Hayme). Obviously, you are a newer fan, I would assume post-2013 era of F1.
all due respect, but f1 youtubers have the whitest pronunciations ever; it’s no surprise that he mispronounces spanish names like “jaime algersuari.”
Because S.Korean problem with micro camera everywhere. Micro camera to capture pe nis, pu ssy, bre ast, a ss etc is so dangerous
This track just by looking at it seem exhausting to drive lol
VG'ing?
I personally found the circuit too fiddly.
Loved the straights.
But TOO many fiddly corners.
And if you look at the place on the map.
It seems in the middle of nowhere.
I can see why it failed.
☮
Sayang sekali Korean GP ga berlanjut, salah satu race favorit tiap maen game F1, 🎮
Generally, motorsports in South Korea is both unpopular and unappealing to the public.
Even the 2022 Formula E Seoul ePrix season finale had an attendance of 36,000 (just over half of the full 60,000 capacity, but in their defence it was a very monsoon day).
Despite that, EV sales and demand in Korea is at an all-time high, so a perfect opportunity for Formula E to keep utilising Seoul ePrix.
a stark contrast to Indonesia, where tickets for the Jakarta ePrix and motoGP race in Lombok got sold out in a week.
I hope this will be the same fate for the Las Vegas F1. Most locals are already annoyed by the numerous inconveniences caused by trying to get the infrastructure ready 2 months before the scheduled event.
Bro the last race was in 2013 how come theres not a single word about that? was it a mistake?
It went downhill with hermann tilke being allowed to design the track
Something which strikes me is the idea of building a city around the track. Despite being the F1 fan and generally liking racing myself, I would not like to live in a close proximity to the race track.
Pls do the yatabe test track next
As a Korean F1 fan, it breaks my heart to see failures like these. Unlike the West, or even Japan, motorsport is extremely niche in Korea. F1 is not aired on TV, and before Coupang started broadcasting it, there was no legal way to watch it. And I'm never going to forgive the 2022 Seoul E-Prix. I was planning to go watch it in person, but the tickets cost a million won, which is around 1000 USD. Front row tickets to Billie Eilish's concert the next day were cheaper than that. And the final laps of the final race were cut off in order to air a soap opera. I had to watch TH-cam to figure out who won the race. It was a total disaster.
I didn't realize the Formula E tickets were so expensive. I was at every F1 race in Yeongam and never once paid for a ticket... I was always given tickets...
All well and good, nice channel, good videos, but the F*in beep at the end of the video is deafening for headphone users.. and Korea circuit, a shame, highspeed straights like those look fun