WTF Really Happened to Moneyball?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- In 2011, Sony Pictures released Moneyball, based on Michael Lewis’s book of the same name. The story follows Oakland Athletics General Manager Billy Beane - played by Brad Pitt - as he attempts to build a team of overlooked but talented baseball players using controversial statistical analysis techniques known as sabermetrics. The film was a critical and commercial success, earning over $110 million at the box office and six Academy Award nominations, including Best Actor and Supporting Actor nods for Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill, respectively. But just how accurate is the film? Let’s play ball and find out WTF Really Happened to Moneyball. This episode is written by Brian Accardo, edited and narrated by Adam Walton, and produced by Taylor James Johnson.
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What a script and performance by Brad Pitt. Absolutely magnificent.
It's worth remembering that "Moneyball" was not a documentary chronicling that fateful season - it was a feature film. And given its extraordinarily effective cinematic achievements, it probably ranks as one of the most historically accurate portrayals ever made by any film of comparable quality.
I think if a movie is based on a real event the director has an obligation to depict events and people how they really are. A prime example is the character Hook in the movie Zulu. In the movie he was depicted as a lazy drunk who did his best to avoid duty. The truth was he did not drink and was a model soldier. I do understand there is need to dramatize certain scenes but it the director is not willing to depict people as they really were then give them fictional names.
Exactly.
'Moneyball' is easily one of the best motion pictures made in the last 25 years. A good story told well. A rare commodity of late...
Agreed. And it came it in 2011, a much better decade than now.
It's a great film, but best of the last 25 years...... that's a stretch.
Yes, I'm not a baseball can and I watch this movie regularly.
@@simonkevnorris If you think it's one of the best films in the last 25 years.... you need to watch more films.
@@kl7985 Where did I say that "it's one of the best films in the last 25 years"? Stop reading things that are not there.
Art Howe's complaints are legit. That he managed to win 100 games with that team was amazing he managed extremely well the whole season. Also the Athletics scouting/recruiting team that had produced not just Giambi, Chavez, Tejada, Mulder, Hudson, Zito but going back to the 80s had produced McGwire, Canseco, and Ricky Henderson. Really nobody else was competing with the A's ability to build talent in their minor league system. It was wrong to turn traditional recruiters and a brilliant manager into the villains.
Having three top end starters in your rotation is a massive reason for their success and a glaring absence from the movie.
Along with the MVP of the league. I agree. Having the big three SP in your team wins games regardless of your strategy.
Along with "revolutionary" trade for Jermaine Dye (who was one of the budding stars of his generation at the time they traded for him).... Moneyball is decent movie, but they tell an overly sensationalized version of what actually happened.
Ohhhhh.... they moved Scott Hatteberg from catcher to 1st base???!!!! 😱😱😱😱
Lmao.... most catchers can also play effectively at 1st base... yet the movie makes it seem like he transitioned from catcher to a gap to gap center fielder... 😂
My biggest problem with the book and movie is how it completely ignores the fact that Oakland had the three top starters in the AL (Mark Mulder, Barry Zito and Tim Hudson), as well as two MVP caliber hitters in their lineup (Miguel Tejada and Eric Chavez), most of which were not brought in by Billy Beane himself. They put way too much attention on the guys that were more so role players than true stars.
Mulder, Zito, and Husdon were in the deleted scenes. :)
I literally just finished the book, and while reading it , I was a little confused because during those years I remember Hudson and Zito being absolutely studs , along with Tejeda and Chavez and Long .
They already had an all-star lineup , home grown from the farm
They never did mention what a great starting rotation they A's had that year..Moulder..Zito...and Hudson....and Billy Koch as a closer...
As a fan who wasn’t behind the scenes but lived through the events, what I would say is that the biggest reason they were successful in that era was the existing roster and farm system left behind by former GM Sandy Alderson, who had moved on to another team. The A’s had the best pitching rotation in the AL with Hudson, Zito and Mulder. They had Billy Koch closing out games. Bradford was a middle relief pitcher, as was Rincon. Their impact was debatable. Chavez, Tejada, Dye, Hernandez, Long and several others who played occasionally like Justice and Hatteburg contributed. They certainly changed their approach to one of taking walks and getting on base but were unable to flip the switch to drive in runs when the time came. So many times, including the playoff games they lost, they loaded the bases only to leave them full as every batter struck out looking or having to chase bad pitches because they took better pitches trying to walk. Once the Alderson players were gone, the success evaporated. This proves more than anything that moneyball had a very small effect. Pena was struggling so badly in the shadow of Giambi that he was up and down in the minors when he was traded.
Along with A League of Their Own, Moneyball is one of my favorite baseball movies!!
First good baseball movie in decades.
Great rewatchable quality.
Really enjoyed the interesting fact checks in this video, but feel "How closely did Moneyball's story point line up with the actual facts?" is a far cry from "WTF Really Happened tp Moneyball?"- a slightly click-baity title suggesting Moneyball REALLY messed it up. BUT...
...considering then quality of the content, all is forgiven .
While Jeremy Giambi was a solid bat for a handful of years, he was never one of the best hitters in the league
If you ignore the reality of who else was on that team, this is a great movie. I've always enjoyed the energy of it.
Since I watched real time that season happening, of course it's stretches for dramatic effect, most movies do. Real life is never as tidy.
So it’s a motion picture…not a documentary…thanks! 😉
One of the better baseball movie's and the performances by Brad Pitt and Johan hill amazing
I can agree but there’s also The Sandlot(1995). That’s a classic
Brad Pitt and Jonah are amazing
@@chasehedges6775 That and Major league
Sabremetrics does work.....in a long regular 162-game season. But in a limited 3, 5, or 7-game series, it's a different story where in the small of games anything can go. A seasonal player hitting .300 with 30 homers/100 RBIs, can end up doing subpar in a limited series while someone .200 and 20 homers for the whoke season could hit .500 with more relative homers and RBls post-season. It happens all the time. With pitchers' performances, too. Sabrmetrics is good for measuring the outcome of players' performances in a long season. But playoffs is another matter.
Also, sabremetrics is a commodity that other franchises have adopted. So, Oakland doesn't have a monopoly in it.
People I guess forget the whole point of the movie was that it doesn’t work. And we know it doesn’t work because the A’s have been doing it for 20 years and haven’t really made any noise
ngl I still see Chris Pratt now whenever I see Hatty highlights 🤣
The movie never mentioned how the team had one of the best pitching staffs in the league.
My problem with the movie is how they tried to use sabermetrics to push the idea that all teams need to be built this way and get rid of the past way of doing things when in reality the old way finds the superstars and this way helps fill in the gaps of a team for cheap
endlessly rewatchable film...love it
It is abhorrently false that teams did not utilize moneyball/sabremetrics before Billy Beane. The A's 2002 season is remarkable because of how good the team was. It's like making a movie about any spectacular underdog team.
I love this movie and Baseball, but it makes a lot of randoms who have seen the movie sound like idiots when they claim no one was using sabremetrics which had existed for for decades and was being used by big teams, it just didnt always look like that since the big teams could afford to buy out the players found by smaller teams.
Yes, he gave us the WTF back. I was wondering WTF happened to this channels rebrand
2011 was such a good year for movies, in my opinion and just a good year in general
I’m not a baseball guy and I really enjoyed this movie. However, all the people I know who are “seriously” into baseball didn’t care for it. Even my father who actually use to play Triple A ball didn’t care for it.
I’m assuming it’s because the movie tries to simplify the game too much. I don’t know. Sounds good.
its not Miguel teJAYda. it's Miguel tayHAda. I hope you'll agree that the reality is much cooler in this instance as well.
One day you’ll finally get around to doing a WTF really happened in Independence Day… (just a bunch of bbq footage and fireworks at Roland emmerich’s house)
This narrator and/or writer does not watch baseball, 10:42 called it a point 😑😑😑
The Jeremy Giambi timeline is off
Jo-Blo gone Geordie?
Not what I expected.
*sigh* Moneyball is complete fiction & this video is too. Bradford, Justice, Giambi & Hatteberg were nothing more than average players. Bradford was never a closer (11 career saves). Billy Koch saved 44 games, won 11 & led the league in games pitched & finished that year. Giambi was so awful he got traded for Jon Mabry, who was far more important to that team. That was Justice’s last season because he couldn’t run. & Hatteberg was just a guy w/ far below average production at the position. Moneyball convinced a ton of parents their kids no longer needed to be able to hit because guys who walked a lot carried the A’s to another disappointing postseason appearance. The truth is they had the best SP trio in Hudson, Mulder & Zito, who combined for 57 wins & 675 IP. They also had true Star offensive players in Chavez, Dye, Tejada & Durham and the only mention of any of them is Beane yelling at Durham, who stole 26 bases that year, to stop running. The reality is the A’s had a ton of talent, but a poor bullpen and Beane’s unwillingness to fix that problem consistently prevented his teams from finding the success their star power deserved. FYI, Giambi is still responsible for one of the dumbest plays in baseball history, costing the A’s a series, because he didn’t slide. Overall, Moneyball is a stupid movie made for the participation trophy crowd.
For any Brits think of what the team is doing like Brighton or Brentford they are using advanced stats to find these players out of nowhere and sell them to Chelsea for 100 million
Best line in the movie. Have you seen his girlfriend? She is ugly. What does that have to do with anything. It means he lacks confidence. LOL Its not word for word, but still. Love that line.
Thanks for the review and I learnt some new things about the true story behind this.
Truly a great film, the final scene summed the film up perfectly
It really is a gem
Not a big baseball guy but love this movie. Probably my favorite baseball movie along with Sandlot. ;)
One of my rewatch films. Love this one.
Chad Bradford was at no point a closer
Statistics can be objective, but also misleading. For example, a batter can make solid contact but hit the ball right at someone and make an out, while another batter can hit a cue shot for a hit. Also, players on very good teams and very bad teams many times face pitchers on the bottom of the rotation who are just mopping up, and thus can pad their stats. Also, in clutch situations you will have batters unwilling to swing at a borderline pitch and either take a called strike three or walk to leave it to the next batter.
Is that Bobby Kotick in the movie? The hell is that about?
Anytime I wear my A’s jersey people either say “Moneyball” or call me Scott Hatteberg 😅
Not sure why chavez, mulder, zito, hudson and tejeda were so upset. They were not the point of the movie. They were home grown talent, much like the other teams have done, but said teams could afford the price tag of the marquee players unlike the A's. So they went with bradford, scott and david cuz they were the ones who fit the point of the movie. They need to get over themselves.
Jonah Hill before he went crazy.
How did he go crazy?
@@titusmccarthy Lost weight gained blonde dreadlocks, tattoos and a warped sense of importance and responsibility.
The only moneyball that works is spending money on the best players...that's money ball
I did some carpentry work at Bill James house a year or two ago. He is as fun to talk to as a board or a rock. Kind of a weird feller. Moneyball is a boring bore of a movie. Glad to hear they had to spice it up with inaccuracies, didn't work. BORING.
Great movie…but this bummed me out
Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill are some the best actors everN
Great movie, one of my favs
This is how movies are they are written from an individuals perspective now when a producer and co writers get involved some facts will change because you need people to be entertained for 90 plus minutes if you just wrote a movie about facts people would leave 10 minutes into it remember even a true story is just that a story not all facts you ever tell someone a story from someone else's perspective or their feelings you can't you don't know someone else's feelings
One of my favorite movies
The movie definitely downplays Billy’s anger issues. Brad Pitt made his character seem like a really chilll and mellow guy.
Well done - thanks. Moneyball is one of favorite movies, and I'd heard that Art Howe was really a good guy within the baseball community so it's too bad he wasn't shown accurately...but that's Hollywood - famous for making sh*t up.
All time classic sports movie.
Great movie...I knew they took some creative liberties but it was still entertaining
I have no interest in baseball, but I loved this movie.
I believe Billy Beane is the only name you pronounced correctly that entire video😢
How did you get David Beckham as a narrator?
He sounds as much like King Charles as he does David Beckham.
Great movie, even better book!
I've had friends who won't watch it because it's baseball, I don't watch baseball but you can allegoricaly have it fit any sport ,also I don't follow American football yet I loved Friday night lights.
Same is true of any truly good sports movie.
It's strange hearing an English voice narrate a JoBlo video, even stranger that it's a video about baseball 😂
Fantastic bullpen and starters. Career years from some great hitters. Nonetheless. Billy has still never won the WS.
GREAT Movie!
Great movie that made dense book riveting.
Interesting to see and hear this video narrated by a Scot (?).
The ins and outs of Baseball!!!! ?? Lol 😎👌👍
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Not Just An American national past Time Anymore lol 😊😅🍁♈🍁
P.s. I Actually liked the A's.
I was at the 20th game
Who made the British guy do the voiceover for this one?
Wouldn't matter to me if he didn't say "6 point lead"
Unless you're in the theatre expecting a documentary, try to remember that IT'S AN FFFING MOVIE. That's my review.
The kind of feel-good sports movies that become classics.
Yep.
Along with Invincible (the Disney movie with Mark Wahlberg).
@@simonkevnorris yeah that one was awesome too
Hey tbh I would turn down 12 million as well to go work for the Boston Red Sox! LMMFAO! #YANKZALLDAYBAYBAY!
Every story that is based on a true story is still fiction.
I dont like baseball, but this movie is different.
I love this movie
I love that movie.
I love the Dallas Cowboys! They are my team! Go Brad Pitt and that fat guy from Super Bad!!! #YEHHEES!
Irishman commenting on an American sport?
I can barely understand the narrator. Had to stop watching.
Wtf happened to your accent? Haha
First!!
Why use a guy that speaks with a heavy accent? I can’t tell anything he/she says.
What a trash movie this was..like get real .the team sucks and has sucked..moneyball has never worked
Never liked the movie
Just finished watching it for the first time, thanks for this vid
Watch Invincible with Mark Wahlberg. It's well worth a watch and I don't follow baseball or American Football.
Hey "limie" what do you know about American Baseball!!
baseball is not for sissies !!!!