I know why your relay turned on when you connected the 10V reference from the VFD to your controller. It is because that is an output from the VFD, not an input! Don’t connect an external voltage to it, or you will damage the VFD circuitry. The analog input for speed control is designed for connection to a potentiometer, as shown on the VFD connection diagram.
your ingenuity and resourcefulness is inspiring. i have just bought a 3018 and want it to do something functional like this. So i may be following some of your earlier footsteps, maybe 500W spindle and NEMA 23 steppers. First i need to learn how to use cad/cam better!
Thank you for the kind words! Going through the first few upgrading step will help understanding a lot more about milling machines. I will recommend the installation of fully supported rails on the X axis first. That will improve tremendously the performance of the machine then the spindle will be a good addition to it. I only started learning about milling and CAM only more than a year ago. It won't take you long to build some real good machines.
@@minhsmancave9448 I'm totally impressed by your ability to reason out the requirements for rigidity and robustness using the extrusions that determine the build design and your skills with Fusion 360.......very inspiring.
Hi Minh! I guess that it's your family who enjoys the most the quieter spindle ;) Once again you prove your pretty good intuition e.g. the relation between unstable displayed frequencies and voltage. Good diagnostic! Much more interesting and you should be congratulated for, is your successful investigation through forums in order to keep the mach3 cheap and so basic card. Let me just point out your amusing speed... it looks as if you're constantly in a hurry ;) Thanks a lot for sharing each and single details of this great project that finally costs around $800 which is pretty acceptable for that quality. (FR) J'ai eu peur quand tu en es venu à la carte mach3. Je me suis dit, ou il va faire une usine à gaz, ou bien il sera obligé d'acheter une autre carte contrôleur. Inutile inquiétude. Ta volonté de trouver à tout prix une solution en gardant cette carte, a rencontré de la chance! Sur les forums souvent, il n'y a que des mecs qui relaient des fausses solutions d'autres mecs, sans les avoir essayées du tout ou sans savoir vraiment de quoi il s'agit. Bien voilà, ce projet est arrivé à son terme je crois et tout y est parfait. Mais je ne dois pas parler trop vite, tu as tellement l'habitude de surprendre... Allez ciao Minh. Ce fut agréable et très instructif et dans la méthode et dans la pédagogie. Juste par curiosité, pourquoi parles-tu si vite? Un train à prendre? un avion? Merci pour tout. Passe une bonne semaine et surtout sois vigilant pour ta famille et toi face à cette connerie de virus.
Salut, comment vas ? On s'enferme toujours à la maison. J'espère que ce cauchemar de virus se termine bien tôt, ça nous rentre fou de plus en plus tous les jours. Mes enfants veulent aller à l'école et jouer avec leur amis. Mais bien sûr, la santé est la plus importante. Revenir à la machine, je pense que je suis presque à l'étape final, seulement remplacer les pièces en bois avec les plaques métalliques et aussi les leadscrews avec les ballscrew. Après ça, je pense que cette machine est sur le même niveau de n'importe quel machine sur le marché.
@@minhsmancave9448 Tu rigoles? Ta machine vaut une fraction des CNC équivalents sur le marché pour une qualité professionnelle, solide et bien conçue! Regarde Malovitch un de mes reviewers pour les énergies vertes th-cam.com/video/iC4kSlwQAsw/w-d-xo.html le gars dit que sa Fireball Comet "n'est pas cher"... à $3299? Bien sûr qu'elle est large mais à part ça, ta machine n'a absolument rien à envier à ça? Allez! bosse bien et laisse un peu d'espace aux gosses qui sont intenables, normal! Ils sont vifs! Ciao!
Thank you, I bought this set of spindle really long time ago thinking I'll use it for my final big CNC which I'll build in the future with all metal parts using my plasma cutter. But the router was just too noisy so I decided to give it a try now and see it works anyway. So far so good!!!
@@minhsmancave9448 There is a 1.5Kw air cooled spindle with ER11 chuck and 8,000 to 24,000 rpm on EBAY going for A$135.....diam 62mm, length 230mm, comes with an aluminium mounting bracket.....more than plenty powerful for the 3018 I'm building.
Spindle with VFD? If it's a complete set, send me the link bro. Cheapest I could find was $215 on AliExpress. And 1.5kw spindle is heavy, you will really need to renforce the x and Z axis. If not, the spindle will be waving like grass in the wind
@@minhsmancave9448 Oops....the spindle is without a VFD as I already have one.........with the VFD you pay A$100 more so your price is probably cheaper then mine......Aliexpress doesn't work for me as I tried to order and it disapears off the screen at the payment stage. I'm in the process of building from scratch a 3018 with heavily modded frame, linear rails and 1204 ball screws and I'll probably at the start use the 500 watt brushless motor.
Hello nice video, I was looking for this. Is 1.5kw water cooled spindle better for cutting aluminum? Or should I go for air cooled spindle? We mill small aluminum parts, jobs usually last a few hours
I believe there is a USB to RS485 converter that will work with Mach3 if your VFD can take RS485. It makes the wiring much easier and controls the spindle speed nicely
Yes, I am having some issues. Can you please elaborate??? On my VFD there are two RS ports. Then I simply connect them to the USB adapter and then to PC??
Doing a vertical pass removes much of the tool marks as well. Or you could use a smaller step between passes. I still need to wire the spindle speed control to my cnc, and a z depth/datum probe.
Hope you don't mind me asking but what sort of size water reservoir do you use? And does the water end up running quite warm? I'll be ordering one of these soon enough as my upgrade machine is close to being finished. Inspired by your videos I've fitted a Mach3 board and I'll wire up today, won't be able to test movement as waiting for couplers in the post, but I should have spinning steppers today. Followed your Mach3 3018 video to wire up board and single stepper on my dining table, worked first time, I managed to blow up a board with built in drivers last time I tried :D Different board this time with 556 drivers to give me room to upgrade steppers later, using some 2.8a nema 23's I bought for cheap ages ago. Also fitted a LattePanda SBC running windows10 that I found on Ebay so the machine is stand alone. I'll make a video when it's finished and running so you can see what you helped me build, but I'm no youtuber lol, it'll probably be the worst cnc video ever!! One thing I've been thinking is that most, if not all, cnc's that use a moving gantry have two motors on Y but then only one on X. Do you think it has to be better to balance the forces and either have a bigger motor on X or two motors the same? I've got spare motors so it would be easy to add one, just one more driver needed. What do you think? Thanks again for the videos brother, really helpful.
The water barely warm up after 5h of running. No worry about the temperature of the spindle. I only have a normal size bucket, less than 2 gallon of water. For the moving gantry type, the Y axis needed to move a heavier load and the spacing between the two linear rails is wide, that's why it needs 2 stepper motors to balance the two sides. The X axis is narrow and light. With the same motor size, the X axis can always moves and accelerate faster than the Y axis.
I'm not sure if you watch through the video. I showed lot of details about connecting between breakout board and this VFD. It's very simple. If you still have questions, feel free to ask.
@@minhsmancave9448 Problem is, my BO-Board is different, i only have GND and FWD from the board, thats why. But thx for your answer! I like your Videos
@@minhsmancave9448 my machine is from LYCNC they have a board with integrated stepper driver and only two conectors, one for fan(cooling of the whole cnc controller) and one for spindle, all others are conected to a multi outlet. the service from lycnc is not good, they send me nothing about the wireing circuit.
Take a picture of the board and send it to my e-mail: minhdung.diy@gmail.com. I'll see if I can figure it out. Are you running the machine on mach3 or other software?
@@minhsmancave9448 Thank you! And out of curiosity, did you get your aluminum extrusion from ebay or from 80/20? Im thinking about getting them from ebay but concerning their rigidity since im building a big machine
Thank you for your great info! Im gonna use chinese replicate of mgn15 for linear rail and plan to have 8040 aluminum extrusion for my 1,8x1,6m frame. I planned to buy chinese extrusion but afraid it would not rigid enough (I ll apply linear rail directly on extrusion. Heard about epoxy for leveling but that doesn’t sound like fun). Since zyltech is not available in my country, i will order from Misumi for the rigidity. Your video is a truly practical source of information
The new spindle is quiet and powerful. I can also vary the speed using g code depending on applications. That's a big improvement compare to the wood router.
Water cooled spindle? WOW. Yeah, but you must have a 220v outlet (but I heard you just say 110v so I am confused) as I do not anywhere near anything (only one in a 2400sq foot house and it is outside) so I am stuck at 1200-1500w max and at 1500w I would be tripping the breaker a lot so 1200w is really the max.
No, I didn't use 220V for this. It's 110V. I bought the set for 110V because I didn't know how to get 220V in my garage (I do now). But I'm not sure how they calculate the power since the current rating on the spindle is 8.5A. Maybe the Chineses are tricking me again. The VFD seems right tho, 22A rated current. I put them on a 30A breaker. But so far the set seems to be working fine. The cuts are smooth and I can enjoy the quietness again. The router was killing my ears.
@@minhsmancave9448 Be careful because you need to make sure the wiring is rated for 30a not just the breaker else the breaker will never trip and the wires would catch fire. Most household wiring uses 14ga wiring which is rated for a max of 20a.
@@thebeststooge I surely should! Still not sure about the current rating of the spindle. If it's 8.5A then I'm nowhere to be near burning down my house but it's also nowhere near 2.2KW. CAn't understand the reasoning for the power rating with this spindle.
@@minhsmancave9448 This is what I have been asking for a few years now and no one has been able to tell me because the math doesn't work. I suspect it is the times 2 or times 3 or even times 4 Chinese math that is so commonly used these days. 8.5A does not equal 2.2kw. 15a is ~1850w so you are almost half of that at 8.5a so I wonder if that Spindle is really around 800w-1kw? The math is saying that is the case. Now they do make real 2.2KW spindles and they are about twice as large as what you showed whereas the ones (eBay/AliE like ones) sold as 800w are twice as small BUT, then again, those are using the Chinese math with their broken Abacuses. A real 800w Spindle is larger than what you get from AliE/eBay.
My best guess is that there were 3 wire for 3 phase of the brushless motor, each one is rated 8.5a max (not gonna be 8.5a at the same time). 3 times of that multiply by 110v and take out 10% for safety, that's about 2.2KW. That's might be the way they trick people into buying this type of spindle. But it's seems to be enough for my right now, it's quiet and carves well.
Thank you for the tip. That might reduce the noise but I'm not sure about the cooling of the router. It might get hot for some long jobs. Now that I have the water cooled spindle installed, I prefer to keep it since it's quiet, precise, more powerful and I won't need to change the brushes as I needed to for the router.
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You should do a rough end mill strategy at beginning to you save you more time and less tool wear off.
I like the way you got the holes into the clamp.
Hi Minh, awesome video. You have given a clear step by step walk through of the whole process. Thank you so much 👌
I know why your relay turned on when you connected the 10V reference from the VFD to your controller. It is because that is an output from the VFD, not an input! Don’t connect an external voltage to it, or you will damage the VFD circuitry. The analog input for speed control is designed for connection to a potentiometer, as shown on the VFD connection diagram.
Thanks Minh. I enjoyed that. You are a very bright young lad. I wish you success. Jim
When you were testing the VFD and spindle the sound reminded me of The Time Machine when it was getting ready to go into the future.
You use a time machine often?
@@grahamshere No often....... but I watch the original movie often.
your ingenuity and resourcefulness is inspiring. i have just bought a 3018 and want it to do something functional like this. So i may be following some of your earlier footsteps, maybe 500W spindle and NEMA 23 steppers. First i need to learn how to use cad/cam better!
Thank you for the kind words! Going through the first few upgrading step will help understanding a lot more about milling machines. I will recommend the installation of fully supported rails on the X axis first. That will improve tremendously the performance of the machine then the spindle will be a good addition to it. I only started learning about milling and CAM only more than a year ago. It won't take you long to build some real good machines.
@@minhsmancave9448 I'm totally impressed by your ability to reason out the requirements for rigidity and robustness using the extrusions that determine the build design and your skills with Fusion 360.......very inspiring.
Its so nice to see your way up to a better and bigger diy cnc
Nice video
Thank you! there's still room for improvement 👍
WOW that's awesome! Next step is automatic tool change
Not anytime soon. The spindle for automatic tool changing is very expensive.
Hi Minh! I guess that it's your family who enjoys the most the quieter spindle ;) Once again you prove your pretty good intuition e.g. the relation between unstable displayed frequencies and voltage. Good diagnostic! Much more interesting and you should be congratulated for, is your successful investigation through forums in order to keep the mach3 cheap and so basic card. Let me just point out your amusing speed... it looks as if you're constantly in a hurry ;) Thanks a lot for sharing each and single details of this great project that finally costs around $800 which is pretty acceptable for that quality.
(FR) J'ai eu peur quand tu en es venu à la carte mach3. Je me suis dit, ou il va faire une usine à gaz, ou bien il sera obligé d'acheter une autre carte contrôleur. Inutile inquiétude. Ta volonté de trouver à tout prix une solution en gardant cette carte, a rencontré de la chance! Sur les forums souvent, il n'y a que des mecs qui relaient des fausses solutions d'autres mecs, sans les avoir essayées du tout ou sans savoir vraiment de quoi il s'agit. Bien voilà, ce projet est arrivé à son terme je crois et tout y est parfait. Mais je ne dois pas parler trop vite, tu as tellement l'habitude de surprendre... Allez ciao Minh. Ce fut agréable et très instructif et dans la méthode et dans la pédagogie. Juste par curiosité, pourquoi parles-tu si vite? Un train à prendre? un avion? Merci pour tout. Passe une bonne semaine et surtout sois vigilant pour ta famille et toi face à cette connerie de virus.
Salut, comment vas ? On s'enferme toujours à la maison. J'espère que ce cauchemar de virus se termine bien tôt, ça nous rentre fou de plus en plus tous les jours. Mes enfants veulent aller à l'école et jouer avec leur amis. Mais bien sûr, la santé est la plus importante. Revenir à la machine, je pense que je suis presque à l'étape final, seulement remplacer les pièces en bois avec les plaques métalliques et aussi les leadscrews avec les ballscrew. Après ça, je pense que cette machine est sur le même niveau de n'importe quel machine sur le marché.
@@minhsmancave9448 Tu rigoles? Ta machine vaut une fraction des CNC équivalents sur le marché pour une qualité professionnelle, solide et bien conçue! Regarde Malovitch un de mes reviewers pour les énergies vertes th-cam.com/video/iC4kSlwQAsw/w-d-xo.html le gars dit que sa Fireball Comet "n'est pas cher"... à $3299? Bien sûr qu'elle est large mais à part ça, ta machine n'a absolument rien à envier à ça? Allez! bosse bien et laisse un peu d'espace aux gosses qui sont intenables, normal! Ils sont vifs! Ciao!
Thank you so much for you explanation!... I have jumpy frequency, I will order the Analog converter. I will see if it work. Thank again, good job!
oh man, 2.2kW spindle is an overkill for this cnc :))) But yeah, enjoy it my friend happy carving
Thank you, I bought this set of spindle really long time ago thinking I'll use it for my final big CNC which I'll build in the future with all metal parts using my plasma cutter. But the router was just too noisy so I decided to give it a try now and see it works anyway. So far so good!!!
@@minhsmancave9448 There is a 1.5Kw air cooled spindle with ER11 chuck and 8,000 to 24,000 rpm on EBAY going for A$135.....diam 62mm, length 230mm, comes with an aluminium mounting bracket.....more than plenty powerful for the 3018 I'm building.
Spindle with VFD? If it's a complete set, send me the link bro. Cheapest I could find was $215 on AliExpress. And 1.5kw spindle is heavy, you will really need to renforce the x and Z axis. If not, the spindle will be waving like grass in the wind
@@minhsmancave9448 Oops....the spindle is without a VFD as I already have one.........with the VFD you pay A$100 more so your price is probably cheaper then mine......Aliexpress doesn't work for me as I tried to order and it disapears off the screen at the payment stage.
I'm in the process of building from scratch a 3018 with heavily modded frame, linear rails and 1204 ball screws and I'll probably at the start use the 500 watt brushless motor.
Better too big than too small. You can run it under 2.2kw but you can’t run it over.
Hello nice video, I was looking for this.
Is 1.5kw water cooled spindle better for cutting aluminum? Or should I go for air cooled spindle? We mill small aluminum parts, jobs usually last a few hours
awesome videos, really liking the results for such a cheap cnc!
Thank you bro! Can't afford an expensive one anyway. That's why all my stuffs are cheap and easy to build.
@@minhsmancave9448 same here lol! I built mine out of metal tubing laying around and a borrowed small welder!
The 10vdc can come from the VFD no extra PS
I believe there is a USB to RS485 converter that will work with Mach3 if your VFD can take RS485. It makes the wiring much easier and controls the spindle speed nicely
Yes, I am having some issues. Can you please elaborate??? On my VFD there are two RS ports. Then I simply connect them to the USB adapter and then to PC??
Doing a vertical pass removes much of the tool marks as well. Or you could use a smaller step between passes. I still need to wire the spindle speed control to my cnc, and a z depth/datum
probe.
Hi.. I have the same cnc with 800w spindle... I just brought 2.2kw with vfd... Can I use non sheilded cable
Yes, you don't need shielded cable. I don't have any on my machine.
@@minhsmancave9448 ahhh excellent thank you brother 😁😁
Looks awesome well done.
GREAT video, Thank you
Hope you don't mind me asking but what sort of size water reservoir do you use? And does the water end up running quite warm? I'll be ordering one of these soon enough as my upgrade machine is close to being finished. Inspired by your videos I've fitted a Mach3 board and I'll wire up today, won't be able to test movement as waiting for couplers in the post, but I should have spinning steppers today. Followed your Mach3 3018 video to wire up board and single stepper on my dining table, worked first time, I managed to blow up a board with built in drivers last time I tried :D Different board this time with 556 drivers to give me room to upgrade steppers later, using some 2.8a nema 23's I bought for cheap ages ago. Also fitted a LattePanda SBC running windows10 that I found on Ebay so the machine is stand alone. I'll make a video when it's finished and running so you can see what you helped me build, but I'm no youtuber lol, it'll probably be the worst cnc video ever!!
One thing I've been thinking is that most, if not all, cnc's that use a moving gantry have two motors on Y but then only one on X. Do you think it has to be better to balance the forces and either have a bigger motor on X or two motors the same? I've got spare motors so it would be easy to add one, just one more driver needed. What do you think?
Thanks again for the videos brother, really helpful.
The water barely warm up after 5h of running. No worry about the temperature of the spindle. I only have a normal size bucket, less than 2 gallon of water. For the moving gantry type, the Y axis needed to move a heavier load and the spacing between the two linear rails is wide, that's why it needs 2 stepper motors to balance the two sides. The X axis is narrow and light. With the same motor size, the X axis can always moves and accelerate faster than the Y axis.
Hi, can you help me with the wiring for the VFD HY02D223B, its the 220 volts but i dont understand if theres is going to be 3phases or only 2 phases
For 220v is only 2 phases. The output from vfd to the spindle will be 3 phases.
Hello, thats very nice, can you make a detail video from the wiring with this VFD? THX
I'm not sure if you watch through the video. I showed lot of details about connecting between breakout board and this VFD. It's very simple. If you still have questions, feel free to ask.
@@minhsmancave9448 Problem is, my BO-Board is different, i only have GND and FWD from the board, thats why. But thx for your answer! I like your Videos
What breakout board do you have? If you have the fwd and gnd pin, that's even easier.
@@minhsmancave9448 my machine is from LYCNC they have a board with integrated stepper driver and only two conectors, one for fan(cooling of the whole cnc controller) and one for spindle, all others are conected to a multi outlet. the service from lycnc is not good, they send me nothing about the wireing circuit.
Take a picture of the board and send it to my e-mail: minhdung.diy@gmail.com. I'll see if I can figure it out. Are you running the machine on mach3 or other software?
please can you tell me the software can be used in design and control?
thank you for sharing. i want to ask you the controller you use?
Rnr motion usb breakout board (red color). Very cheap
Good english my friend thankyou for the information.
What cable do you use between VFD and motor, what gauge are the wires?
I use 16 gauge
@@minhsmancave9448 Thanks, that is what I have. 4 wire shielded.
Can this spindle mill metal or aluminium
Hi Minh, great as always!
May I ask how long this wood router can run before it needs a break?
The longest I've run it is about 2 hours. Not sure if it can hold on longer than that.
@@minhsmancave9448 Thank you! And out of curiosity, did you get your aluminum extrusion from ebay or from 80/20? Im thinking about getting them from ebay but concerning their rigidity since im building a big machine
If you're using sbr20 or sbr16 for linear rails, you should buy Aluminum extrusion of 3030 series. I bought mine from zyltech.com
Thank you for your great info! Im gonna use chinese replicate of mgn15 for linear rail and plan to have 8040 aluminum extrusion for my 1,8x1,6m frame. I planned to buy chinese extrusion but afraid it would not rigid enough (I ll apply linear rail directly on extrusion. Heard about epoxy for leveling but that doesn’t sound like fun). Since zyltech is not available in my country, i will order from Misumi for the rigidity. Your video is a truly practical source of information
And thank you for prompt reply
Good vidéo ! What the différents finally between this two drills ?
The new spindle is quiet and powerful. I can also vary the speed using g code depending on applications. That's a big improvement compare to the wood router.
Water cooled spindle? WOW. Yeah, but you must have a 220v outlet (but I heard you just say 110v so I am confused) as I do not anywhere near anything (only one in a 2400sq foot house and it is outside) so I am stuck at 1200-1500w max and at 1500w I would be tripping the breaker a lot so 1200w is really the max.
No, I didn't use 220V for this. It's 110V. I bought the set for 110V because I didn't know how to get 220V in my garage (I do now). But I'm not sure how they calculate the power since the current rating on the spindle is 8.5A. Maybe the Chineses are tricking me again. The VFD seems right tho, 22A rated current. I put them on a 30A breaker. But so far the set seems to be working fine. The cuts are smooth and I can enjoy the quietness again. The router was killing my ears.
@@minhsmancave9448 Be careful because you need to make sure the wiring is rated for 30a not just the breaker else the breaker will never trip and the wires would catch fire. Most household wiring uses 14ga wiring which is rated for a max of 20a.
@@thebeststooge I surely should! Still not sure about the current rating of the spindle. If it's 8.5A then I'm nowhere to be near burning down my house but it's also nowhere near 2.2KW. CAn't understand the reasoning for the power rating with this spindle.
@@minhsmancave9448 This is what I have been asking for a few years now and no one has been able to tell me because the math doesn't work. I suspect it is the times 2 or times 3 or even times 4 Chinese math that is so commonly used these days. 8.5A does not equal 2.2kw. 15a is ~1850w so you are almost half of that at 8.5a so I wonder if that Spindle is really around 800w-1kw? The math is saying that is the case. Now they do make real 2.2KW spindles and they are about twice as large as what you showed whereas the ones (eBay/AliE like ones) sold as 800w are twice as small BUT, then again, those are using the Chinese math with their broken Abacuses. A real 800w Spindle is larger than what you get from AliE/eBay.
My best guess is that there were 3 wire for 3 phase of the brushless motor, each one is rated 8.5a max (not gonna be 8.5a at the same time). 3 times of that multiply by 110v and take out 10% for safety, that's about 2.2KW. That's might be the way they trick people into buying this type of spindle. But it's seems to be enough for my right now, it's quiet and carves well.
if you remove the plunge router propeller more silence than the cnc spindle
Thank you for the tip. That might reduce the noise but I'm not sure about the cooling of the router. It might get hot for some long jobs. Now that I have the water cooled spindle installed, I prefer to keep it since it's quiet, precise, more powerful and I won't need to change the brushes as I needed to for the router.
"plunge router" is one word here, it's the type of router. He meant to remove the fan of the router to make it more quiet.
Do you have the diagram?
could you read this: drive.google.com/file/d/1SgAEF7B-e_xtCoVjHT3fERUJuvjOm5HF/view
i have a makita router and i hear it 100m away!
Yes, thank you for confirming. The 2.2kw spindle is another level of precision and quietness. Totally recommended.
what is your email? i need some help.
minhdung.diy@gmail.com
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