Can we make our RAPTOR, sound like a 35GTR? Raptor Build Ep 5
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ย. 2023
- It's the episode so many people have asked us about! We fabricate version 1 (which is actually version 2) and do some testing on the Raptor platform.
We revisit the exhaust valves across the modes to check if they are TPS sensitive and come up with a plan.
Local legend and all round good guy Russel Ingall (also a red hot driver, 2 time winner of Bathurst 1000, ever heard of him?) pops by to chat X pipes and give us some insight on what we should be aiming for.
Grab a beer, get comfy and enjoy.
That other raptors got some reverse tyre shine going on 😂
Good ideas … I recon Equalise the length of the dump pipes then put a new x pipe. Twin small resonators then valves and mufflers at the back.
We thought about this too! We were looking for suitable sized mufflers, and think we're onto a good thing. Thanks for watching and the comment mate!
Proper rad vid boys! You pull this off then you’ve got my coin!
Can’t wait to fit this up boys ! R35 is best option, now it just needs a pop crack back fire like a tuned R35 😂
haha thats the goal mate! We'll have yours ready!
Love the explanations guys, great work, keen to fit one when they are ready to go!
Thanks mate! Really appreciate the kind words!
If you want to get that R35 GTR/high pitched sports car sound on any truck, the most important is equal length tubing before the X-pipe. This is typically done by adding a loop to the right side piping to equal the length of the left side crossover pipe. A few OEMs do this already. Check out the factory exhaust setups on the Gen 3 V6 F150 Raptor, the V6 Jeep Wrangler or the Cadillac Escalade V. They all use loops to create an equal length exhaust.
Completely agree! Tackling this in the next few episodes, we need to get better at telling a story and explaining the plans, and not just documenting what we're doing at one time. Thanks for the feedback mate!
Sound amazing on camera! Can't wait to hear this in the flesh!!
The GoPro mics don't do it justice, but we're working on something, in the mean time, headphones give an even better idea of the noise difference! Thanks for watching!
@@FabulousFab__ 100%!
Good to see you guys tackle this issue, it was very interesting to see how the valves work in real time, from YT viewing, didn't sound much different to factory, I hope Design 1 will be the winner.
Good work boys. Glad to see our pub chat is going somewhere!
haha thanks mate! Where the best ideas all come from surely!
Another idea for the valves, AWE makes a bracket for the s550 mustang active valves, and they can be bolted to the bracket, right out of the way, they don't throw codes and allow for a more straight forward axhaust to be made, and control the overall sound. Well done guys
, sounds HEAPPPPPSSS better. The whole reason my wife said no to the raptor was the horrific slapper buick sound.
We also found out tip design and material affects the noise quite a fair bit too.
Good video guys, had me eating popcorn
I love watching all these improvements you guys do. But none of them are available in the United States. We can hopefully pray they do.
best result - as a gen 2 owner I'm super stoked to hear it can sound better with some proper RnD. Cheers guys! Send some to South Africa :)
Thanks mate! Please continue to follow along as we develop the rest of the sections to change the sound to a larger degree. Great to hear our stuff is being viewed so far away, Cheers!
10 minutes in, this is a great video gents 👍🏽
Awesome video.
U blokes got me interested in something I wasn’t even interested in. I thought my factory raptor sounded great until I watched this video. I’ve fallen into your rabbit hole. ☠️☠️☠️
Eagerly await the full exhaust, if you can pull it off it'll be a game changer, hopefully you can get or get damn close to that sweet VR38 sound
We're going to give it a red hot crack, we've just finished fabricating the v1 - TH-cam episode next week about it as it heads to the dyno. Thanks for watching!
😂the endorser
Keen to see how option 2 sounds, but option 1 is pretty damn good.
Thanks mate! V2 ep coming in 2 weeks.
I stumbled across this video.
Really like what you guys are doing.
Cheers for the video.
With all that said, through the video its very hard for me to notice a big difference.
I noticed some difference, just not huge.
But maybe I don't have a good ear for it.
Knowing a little about this vehicle, I would try and improve flow by deresticiting the TWCs off the back of the turbos, thats where the main restrictions is.
Gday mate! Thanks for watching the video and kind words!
You're spot on mate, there's not a huge difference just yet, we're only developing the mid pipe so far, theres big changes to be made in equalising the front pipes and mufflers behind the tips! We'll bring out another few videos soon!
Pardon the pun but it sounds like you are right on the money. The old GTR and GTR XU1 had a resonator about 300mm from the headers and a straight pipe back to a single entry in and twin out. OK before I get caned yes they were naturally aspirated. But what an awesome sound. I also stuffed around with a Commodore VT S. supercharged. Fitted ceramic headers and high volume cats then joined them an a single 31/2 almost straight pipe with a mandrel bent bend over the axil with a 31/2 in turbo muffler. We put it on the dyno can’t remember the exact gains but it blew holes in the SS V8. We also changed the pulley ratio but didn’t change injectors. This was way back in time. Absolutely awesome work can’t wait to see it on the dyno. Cheers
Mate, thanks for your comment, this is what we've enjoyed the most about putting our journey up on YT, the random helpful comments from people we've never met, thanks for your input and following along. Have a good week, we're filming v2 today and it heads to the dyno tomorrow, so please tune in to the next ep!
Making it sound like a R35 will be the absolute best option 💯
Can’t wait to hear the full system
We're betting we're going to see the big changes when we do the rear muffler and front pipes! But this is the goal still!
Cant wait to fit one of these...just have to settle with fitting the airbox until then :)
Jason! thanks for the support mate!! We will get this to market asap!
Wow 😮
Loven the video and how detailed they are. But imo the exhaust doesn't sound much different I think we are over complicating it. Get rid of of the centre muffler maybe put a x-pipe there and put the mufflers at the rear with your custom exhaust flaps 🤷♂️.
Hey mate!
We actually did try this! But that raspiness was exaggerated. The valving and 'sound modes' work by keeping the exhaust gas in a baffled area for longer, so for the modes to work as factory, we needed to keep some sort of mid pipe.
Stick with us. We just want to make sure it's perfect before release!
Love it! How to make a peak bogan car even more bogan
haha!
Sounds much better. How’s drone compared to stock?
Greetings from Mexico 🇲🇽!!
Hello from Southern California!!
Will your Cold Air Intake work on an American spec 2024 RR?
While it sounds better than stock... For my personal preference... it still needs work. The factory Gen 3 F150 Ecoboost sounds better and as people probably said it due to the trombone loop before the muffler. If you manage to replicate that sound... I'll be all over it (I dislike the "Buick" exhaust note).
The trouble with a brand new system (muffler) is you don’t get the full experience for at least 10,000kms. Going off initial sound tests it’s gonna be a ripper though when bedded in. It’s lost the crackle and will get louder/deeper with age I reckon.
Not wrong there, we even noticed changes in the first hour
@@FabulousFab__ hell yeah, I reckon it will settle in nice, keen to see the full finished products in action!
Yup. I'm sold. When/where can I take mine to get done?😅
Legend!! - We're hoping early next year they'll be on the market!
@FabulousFab__ awesome. Keep us up to date. Loving the work you guys are doing
The ecotec commy sounds good
HA!
Hi guys ive been watching since EP1 i love the explanations and the whole process of the exhaust pipes. But tbh it really sounds like theres not much of a difference, maybe its different in person
Hi mate! Thanks for the comment and checking out the video, Yeah its very difficult to convey the change, but check out time stamp 43:58 where we run back to back next to the exhaust tips, best with headphones. Keep in mind, this is just the mid section, it's when all the sections are used together we will see the largest sound changes! Thanks for tuning in. I hope you continue to follow along!
@@FabulousFab__ Thanks for responding, Will ise headsets to get the true sound
Would you guys be willing to make a straight through exhaust at all? Bypassing all the modes and just full breathability and flow? Regardless of DB
Hi mate, we do touch on a 'best' option that may be available where the factory modes are deleted, this would be the best option for people chasing a power figure. This would be developed after the OEM replacement model was finalised however!
@@FabulousFab__ you guys are too good, love that your giving an option for people that want to retain the factory choices of sound and then one for the "all day full noise full bicky" mode. I will be taking the later and join a long list like the v8 patrol owners out there that sing around all day and night lol Looking forward to your best option!
Raptors sounds great stock idk what yall Aussies are talking about.
Hey fellas just look at what Ford did for the F150 Raptor. The downpipe lengths from the turbos are dissimilar. Those need to be equalised
Active Autowerke solved this exact issue with the S55 engine
Hey mate, Thanks for the message, spot on, the downpipes lengths in this are odd too, when we attack that part of the car we will be looking to equalise also! thanks for watching the ep and taking the time to message, we will check out Active Autowerke
Guys, checkout magnaflow and borla exhaust for the bronco raptor. Same engine, same mid section and valves
Hi mate! thanks for the message, We've checked these out and liked the sound!
I've just moved from a 2016 HSV Clubsport to the Raptor. Love the Raptor, but the obvious thing missing is the exhaust sound. And to be honest I never expected it to be that good. That is something I had to accept, but maybe there is hope of getting a noticeably better exhaust sound. Look forward to seeing how this turns out as it is looking and sounding good. I'm not too far from your workshop so hopefully you fit these things as I have no idea what I am doing.
Totally agree with you mate! We're not giving up anytime soon, it's just down to testing and experimenting. Hope we can sort you out soon!
You just need a large Resonator in the rear and it will kill that rasp and make it more deep
It does get a bit trickier the further back you go with spare tyre and exhaust location, but definitely know this is the plan!
It's the only way you will get rid of that shit noise man. Trust me hahah
I was thinking of trading my y62 for a Raptor, but that valve issue they are having has scared me away. Have you had any issues?
Not going to lie i thought every one of them sounded exactly the same from my phone. I had a focus rs and overall i think ecoboost engines just sound like crap no saving it
Just for fun calling it now I bet design 1 will sound better
Sounds like an N/A Barra
haha!
Can’t get it to sound like a gtr, because it doesn’t rev like a gtr. Feel like a need to here these in person
For sure we agree on that!
Iss ok
Is it just me or is it RPM sensitive not TPS - I think there would be a map for each exhaust mode - Valve position vs RPM vs mode of exhaust. i.e. the valves would open later on quiet mode and earlier on Sport - 🤷♂
We think you're onto something here mate, we've asked our Ford Tech for clarification. It won't change our plan regarding the valves however, but we do want to fully understand the system, thanks for your input and watching the vid!
Hey guys its a rap-tor, not a rap-ta lol
did you guys lift the front ?
Hi mate, Thanks for watching - no, thats factory height!
Sounds the same to me
Give it a crack with headphones! But we also think there's big sound changes with the front pipes and rear muffler section which we're tackling in the next few episodes!
I think your missing the point , to get more power you need to work on the headers, on a 600HP V8 most exhaust systems are a twin 3 inch , on the raptor you only really need a twin 2.5 inch , i was thinking of doing a twin 65mm system into the muffler and then a single 3 inch out over the diff and dumping behind the rear wheel , can we remove the butterfly valves and not worry about the factory exhaust setting .
Hi mate! Thanks for the message you're spot on, we're just looking at offering a modular system, and intend on tacking the dump and front pipes in the new year.
We also want to offer a purely performance in mind option, where the valves would be deleted. We're trying to cater to both audiences!
What about just dual resonators?
Hey mate,
we had a look at this option, but because of the valving it didnt really make it viable, when we look at the performance only option (where we intend on removing the valves) we will be probably running dual resonators! Thanks for the message and watching mate!
@@FabulousFab__ damn that’s annoying. Did this on my 350z and vr6 tt and it makes them sound very similar to an r35. Took all that rasp and trumpet sound out.
Would be so interesting to see what it sounds like with just the dual resonators.
Love the videos!!!
Keep it up
Factory and custom exhaust sound so similar couldn't really spot the difference.
Hey Danial, Ahhhh unfortunately we only had the GoPro mics at our disposal, BUT go to time stamp 43:58 with headphones, we purposefully ran the notes back to back to back.
Big changes will also in the downpipes and front pipes! Stay tuned mate!
@FabulousFab__ thanks champ!
I can not really tell the difference sorry guys. To be honest, if anything, the stock one has a more defined note to it. I tried listening on both TV with sub and my phone.
Be interesting if you could do a diesel v6 dpf bypass thats valved for off road only use 😊
Don't apologise mate! We were worried it would be difficult to convey the sound change hence why we tried in a few different locations, we tried back to back here at 43:58 where you can really tell its a deeper tone, best thru headphones. Give it a crack. Keep in mind this just our mid pipe, and not the full exhaust where the larger sound changes will be made! Thanks for your view and interest !
36:10
Not going to make any difference to stock standard when you rev it
Hey Wolfgang!
Thanks for watching, what makes you say that!
Sounds the same🤷🏽♂️
There's no way people are buying $100,000 utes that sound like an ecotec commodore with no fuel flap and a redback exhaust hahahaha. Fuuaaark! They look the part but you can't fix the noise boys.
hahaha!! ah man cracked us up! Listen! Let us have a crack at it! We think we can!
Sounds like a 350z
agree!
I sold mine honestly I just couldn't get to like the tone, one day I had a vt ecotec in front of me with a exhaust he took off then I took off you couldn't pick the difference after that I put it for sale.
No big difference. Straight pipe is the way to go
haha! Would you believe straight pipe actually sounded much much worse! Try listening to the time stamps 43:58 with headphones. Unfortunately the GoPro mics aren't the best for picking up the depth in tone, but it's certainly noticeable!
Mang
sounds like a Honda civic before and Honda civic after
lol'd
The answer is no. No you can't.
Ouch Turbo Styler! The mid-pipe development is part of the full system we're working on, with large sound changes to realised with dump, front and rear resonator development, we feel there's still a chance! Thanks for watching either way!
@@FabulousFab__ Nothing against you hey but there is literally no chance. The VR38 firing order is completely different to the ranger raptor ecoboost v6. I reckon you can enhance the ecoboost v6 sound, but you cannot make it sound like a vr38.
still sound shit just pull in a mustang v8 supercharge engine in it.
We're passing that by accounts now
It still sounds terrible just slightly less terrible. Best way to describe it is it's gone from HIV positive to just having HIV.
Yikes!
Dont rate it
We're not done just yet mate! There's front pipes and rear mufflers to go, and we believe thats where the big changes will be made! Thanks for watching the episode.
If your think an overpriced 4wd sounds like a vr38dett you blokes have lost it 🤣🤣
Woah Zaca who hurt you? haha, this is just the first crack at one section of the exhaust system, but yes! the goal here is to attempt to make it sound like a twin turbo v6, similarly to a vr38dett!
The remaining sections of exhaust system will see large changes in note too. Stay tuned mate!
Overpriced is what Toyota is asking for a dated under performing 2.8L diesel Hilux in top trim spec, ie extra sticker pack😂😂🤣🤣 .
Sounds the same?? Maybe just compression of sound on TH-cam?
Soooooo you want it to sound good? Spend your cash swapping in a coyotee. Problem solved
Running this by accounts now