...7 spaniards all determined to help Delgado. They continuously threatened attacks and changed the tempo, which, seeing as how Cabestany was in there could also have caused trouble. And according to Pensec, he and another Peugeot rider were stopped at a level crossing despite no train coming, losing 2 minutes. So, eh, those who say he didnt 'pedal' hard enough are clueless and deluded about what happened. Robbed if you ask me.
Still damn painful. Imagine how Robert must have felt. Thanks for posting this it just shows how much goes on behind the scene to put a stick between someones spokes.
Interesting comment in a blog about this 1985 Vuelta: " I write this in August 2019, and every time I read about this Vuelta, there are new details added. Until now, I had never read about the railway crossing. I think that when paranormal facts begin to appear, the story will become fascinating. About Team Peugeot, some relevant details are not mentioned: many French journalists (and not only those of L´Equipe) wanted the team victory because the team was “French”, not like Millar. Roland Berland indeed felt pressured by that idea and wasted his team in breaking the group early in the day. On the other hand, in cycling, before the ear-piece radios, the lack of information was assumed as normal. And when there was a mountain stage, especially in the middle of the fog, like the three climbs of that day, all the leaders rode at their maximum, without calculating anything about the times, because they ignored them. Many times they rode without knowing who was ahead and who was behind. The “pelotons” were quickly fragmented and the teammates of the leaders were usually far behind. To say that the teammates didn´t help is to have your mind in cycling as it is from the 90s onwards. The things that both Millar and Berland knew for sure is that (1)there were contenders in some break(s), (2)that Kelly was one of them, and (3)that Delgado (the 3rd in the GC!!!) was not in their group. This would have been enough for Fignon, Hinault, Lemond, (Mercks and many others in the past) or any other ambitious rider to chase this breaks, even without teammates, but surprisingly, it was not enough for Millar and Berland. Conclusion: you can only blame Millar for not even try to chase the break when he knew about it (he lost an additional 1:30 after knowing it). And to Berland, for allowing it, for not establishing the usual alliances and, above all, for allowing Millar to relax while climbing in a foggy day without knowing where Delgado was. ................. I can't resist making my contribution to conspiracy theories: What if the one who betrayed Millar was Berland himself, to whom someone had offered a large amount of money so as not to warn his runner of the danger? His excuses are so weak… (This text has been written with the help of Google Translator and Grammarly. If there are errors, you should blame these applications. I have only been betrayed.) "
‘You can only blame Millar’ Right, if we assume morals, ethics, customs, decency, sportsmanship etc don’t exist. Then you can blame Millar. What a shit show.
Millar was in my opinion the best rider in the race but circumstances went against him in the end and Delgado mugged him. Delgado in his pomp was a terrific bike rider and for Millar to have him almost beaten with 2 stages to go was still a hell of an achievement. A really talented rider who I think should of won this race as well as a Giro. Maybe the fact that he never had a particularly strong team to work for him when he was leader was the main factor he never won one of the Grand Tours....
All correct. But don't solely blame Delgado for mugging him. The organizers and teams did that more than Perico, who few truly felt walked away a champion. Even he doesn't talk about this race.
Bradley Wiggins won Dauphine today, 21yrs after Millar won it! Best climbers jersey in Tour de France & Giro. runner up twice in Vuelta, & runner up in Giro. LEGEND...
sabueso - You are incorrect. NO TEAM CAR is allowed beyond it's position in the procession, let alone up to the Director car at the front of the race. They rely on the motorcycles with the time gap which as mentioned by another poster "mysteriously disapeared" all because the spaniards had elluded Millar after a puncture. Berland is at fault because he waited till the LAST POSSIBLE MOMENT to try to buy support from other teams and in Millar's biography Stephen Roche says as much.
In these days of grand tours it was not uncommon for locals to sabotage stages in preference for their own national riders, one very well know trick was to spread tacks over the road in order to cause punctures and then brush them away afterwards.
Yeah, i'm nearing the end of the book- riveting. It sounds like Spanish nationalism got out of hand, as well as a very unlucky combination of events and dirty tricks.
Well generally you shouldnt attack the yellow when the jersey holder is having mechanical diffiulty, which the spaniards did. Secondly Millar was not receiving any time checks from the motorcycle which mysteriously vanished so had no idea about Delgado. From accounts there was extreme fog and rain which caused chaos among riders and cars, and many had their numbers covered by jackets, thus making communication between Rob and Berland impossible. To make matters worse, he was in a group of.....
Now. But then this "rule" doesn´t exist at all. Merckx attacked his rivals every time they had a puncture, Hinault the same, and Zoetemelk, etc... Lemond was the first "gentleman" in this, and was followed by Indurain. Both waited for his rivals in problems. And after that, it was difficult to not to do it, so it was considered a rule. Only Cancellara and Andy Schleck ignored this and attacked in the 3rd stage of the Tour 2010, when Frank Schleck fell and provoked some other riders fell too, taking up the whole road. It was extremely unsportsmanlike, because only 1 day before, all the group had waited for Andy S. when he fell. (By the way, that´s why nobody waited for Andy S. when, some stages later -karma they call it- he suffered a chain problem).
Cadel Evans NEVER said that. And rode in Spain several times: La Vuelta (2004, 2007, 2009, 2014), and, at least, one 1 week race in Spain in 10 different years. Why you write false information?
how can you label this as "stolen"when the director himself says they arranged everything so millar could win? he bought other teams paying them. terrible, and he complains for being betrayed. what you expect from teams that sell their souls for money from another team? come on. its like trying to buy a real rolex in the black market and get a fake. up to you to take the risk.
nothing prevented millar's director to check out thr gap between him and delgado. why did he let delgado go so far? on the other side nothing stopped millar from trying to catch delgado. did the spanish teams coluted? of course, but peugeot hosuld have done the same with the foreign teams. poor strategy from peugeot. at the end cycling is pedaling and millar didnt pedal hard enough that day. why? ask his director
que idioma hablas?? español?? jajajajaj Vamos a ver, por supuesto que José Recio ayudó a Delgado, y que pasa?? eso es hacer trampa?? no. Millar perdió la Vuelta por culpa de su director deportivo que no le dió referencias adecuadas respecto a Delgado y que no supo organizar la persecución. Lo que pasa es que fué tan patético como perdió la Vuelta el solito que os inventais eso de que fue un robo.
Actually he’s a woman. If he were a girl he would have both transitioned sex and reversed his age. Your exclamation marks show how excited this makes you.
Stolen? Cycling is about going faster than your rivals. Millar didnt pay attention and neither his boss, who is supposed to be in charge of keeping track of the guys ahead telling him the difference. He didnt do that properly, and Millar didnt push the pedals hard enough. he lost it. end of the story.
The stolen vuelta?? jajajajaja,. Nadie le robó nada a Millar, perdió la Vuelta a España el solito, bueno, con la ayuda de su director deportivo jajajaja.
the whole thing is a lie. there was not conspiracy whatsoever. the case was much more simple. two riders ahead and agree: "you get the yellow jersey and i get the stage, deal? deal." something completely normal and common in cycling. another question: why nobody helped millar? the answer is simple: nobody belonged to his team. why should they? at the end, it was a very sad and painful way of losing la vuelta but stop feeding conspiracy theories. millar lost. too bad, deal with it.
sabueso - You are incorrect. NO TEAM CAR is allowed beyond it's position in the procession, let alone up to the Director car at the front of the race. They rely on the motorcycles with the time gap which as mentioned by another poster "mysteriously disapeared" all because the spaniards had elluded Millar after a puncture. Berland is at fault because he waited till the LAST POSSIBLE MOMENT to try to buy support from other teams and in Millar's biography Stephen Roche says as much.
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...7 spaniards all determined to help Delgado. They continuously threatened attacks and changed the tempo, which, seeing as how Cabestany was in there could also have caused trouble. And according to Pensec, he and another Peugeot rider were stopped at a level crossing despite no train coming, losing 2 minutes. So, eh, those who say he didnt 'pedal' hard enough are clueless and deluded about what happened. Robbed if you ask me.
Still damn painful. Imagine how Robert must have felt. Thanks for posting this it just shows how much goes on behind the scene to put a stick between someones spokes.
quite simply, pure class.
1984 BBC sports personality off the year, He got no mention at all...a disgrace.
Legend
millar is a class act,delgado and co did the absolute dirty on him,shame on them.disgusting sportsmanship.
The spanish teams made a very clever job. This Millar was a perfect fish.
Interesting comment in a blog about this 1985 Vuelta: " I write this in August 2019, and every time I read about this Vuelta, there are new details added. Until now, I had never read about the railway crossing. I think that when paranormal facts begin to appear, the story will become fascinating. About Team Peugeot, some relevant details are not mentioned: many French journalists (and not only those of L´Equipe) wanted the team victory because the team was “French”, not like Millar. Roland Berland indeed felt pressured by that idea and wasted his team in breaking the group early in the day.
On the other hand, in cycling, before the ear-piece radios, the lack of information was assumed as normal. And when there was a mountain stage, especially in the middle of the fog, like the three climbs of that day, all the leaders rode at their maximum, without calculating anything about the times, because they ignored them. Many times they rode without knowing who was ahead and who was behind. The “pelotons” were quickly fragmented and the teammates of the leaders were usually far behind. To say that the teammates didn´t help is to have your mind in cycling as it is from the 90s onwards. The things that both Millar and Berland knew for sure is that (1)there were contenders in some break(s), (2)that Kelly was one of them, and (3)that Delgado (the 3rd in the GC!!!) was not in their group. This would have been enough for Fignon, Hinault, Lemond, (Mercks and many others in the past) or any other ambitious rider to chase this breaks, even without teammates, but surprisingly, it was not enough for Millar and Berland.
Conclusion: you can only blame Millar for not even try to chase the break when he knew about it (he lost an additional 1:30 after knowing it). And to Berland, for allowing it, for not establishing the usual alliances and, above all, for allowing Millar to relax while climbing in a foggy day without knowing where Delgado was.
.................
I can't resist making my contribution to conspiracy theories: What if the one who betrayed Millar was Berland himself, to whom someone had offered a large amount of money so as not to warn his runner of the danger? His excuses are so weak…
(This text has been written with the help of Google Translator and Grammarly. If there are errors, you should blame these applications. I have only been betrayed.) "
‘You can only blame Millar’
Right, if we assume morals, ethics, customs, decency, sportsmanship etc don’t exist. Then you can blame Millar. What a shit show.
@jaybee66 Totally agree with what you say. Do you think Indurain was clean?
Millar was in my opinion the best rider in the race but circumstances went against him in the end and Delgado mugged him. Delgado in his pomp was a terrific bike rider and for Millar to have him almost beaten with 2 stages to go was still a hell of an achievement. A really talented rider who I think should of won this race as well as a Giro. Maybe the fact that he never had a particularly strong team to work for him when he was leader was the main factor he never won one of the Grand Tours....
All correct. But don't solely blame Delgado for mugging him. The organizers and teams did that more than Perico, who few truly felt walked away a champion. Even he doesn't talk about this race.
If this had happened in 2015, the Shimano neutral service car/bike would have taken them out
Bradley Wiggins won Dauphine today, 21yrs after Millar won it! Best climbers jersey in Tour de France & Giro. runner up twice in Vuelta, & runner up in Giro. LEGEND...
dan32113 FUCK dopers. 💉💉💉
sabueso - You are incorrect. NO TEAM CAR is allowed beyond it's position in the procession, let alone up to the Director car at the front of the race.
They rely on the motorcycles with the time gap which as mentioned by another poster "mysteriously disapeared" all because the spaniards had elluded Millar after a puncture. Berland is at fault because he waited till the LAST POSSIBLE MOMENT to try to buy support from other teams and in Millar's biography Stephen Roche says as much.
In these days of grand tours it was not uncommon for locals to sabotage stages in preference for their own national riders, one very well know trick was to spread tacks over the road in order to cause punctures and then brush them away afterwards.
Yeah, i'm nearing the end of the book- riveting. It sounds like Spanish nationalism got out of hand, as well as a very unlucky combination of events and dirty tricks.
Non! Il est Robert Millar!
"cowboybilly666" no tienes ni puta idea.....
Well generally you shouldnt attack the yellow when the jersey holder is having mechanical diffiulty, which the spaniards did. Secondly Millar was not receiving any time checks from the motorcycle which mysteriously vanished so had no idea about Delgado. From accounts there was extreme fog and rain which caused chaos among riders and cars, and many had their numbers covered by jackets, thus making communication between Rob and Berland impossible. To make matters worse, he was in a group of.....
Now. But then this "rule" doesn´t exist at all. Merckx attacked his rivals every time they had a puncture, Hinault the same, and Zoetemelk, etc... Lemond was the first "gentleman" in this, and was followed by Indurain. Both waited for his rivals in problems. And after that, it was difficult to not to do it, so it was considered a rule. Only Cancellara and Andy Schleck ignored this and attacked in the 3rd stage of the Tour 2010, when Frank Schleck fell and provoked some other riders fell too, taking up the whole road. It was extremely unsportsmanlike, because only 1 day before, all the group had waited for Andy S. when he fell. (By the way, that´s why nobody waited for Andy S. when, some stages later -karma they call it- he suffered a chain problem).
Cadel Evans says he won't race in Spain if he can avoid it. Easy to understand why.
Cadel Evans NEVER said that. And rode in Spain several times: La Vuelta (2004, 2007, 2009, 2014), and, at least, one 1 week race in Spain in 10 different years. Why you write false information?
how can you label this as "stolen"when the director himself says they arranged everything so millar could win? he bought other teams paying them. terrible, and he complains for being betrayed. what you expect from teams that sell their souls for money from another team? come on. its like trying to buy a real rolex in the black market and get a fake. up to you to take the risk.
nothing prevented millar's director to check out thr gap between him and delgado. why did he let delgado go so far? on the other side nothing stopped millar from trying to catch delgado.
did the spanish teams coluted? of course, but peugeot hosuld have done the same with the foreign teams.
poor strategy from peugeot. at the end cycling is pedaling and millar didnt pedal hard enough that day. why? ask his director
que idioma hablas?? español?? jajajajaj Vamos a ver, por supuesto que José Recio ayudó a Delgado, y que pasa?? eso es hacer trampa?? no. Millar perdió la Vuelta por culpa de su director deportivo que no le dió referencias adecuadas respecto a Delgado y que no supo organizar la persecución. Lo que pasa es que fué tan patético como perdió la Vuelta el solito que os inventais eso de que fue un robo.
He`s a girl now!!!!!
and not a pretty one....
And what's the problem with that, get a life loser!!
Actually he’s a woman. If he were a girl he would have both transitioned sex and reversed his age. Your exclamation marks show how excited this makes you.
Stolen? Cycling is about going faster than your rivals. Millar didnt pay attention and neither his boss, who is supposed to be in charge of keeping track of the guys ahead telling him the difference. He didnt do that properly, and Millar didnt push the pedals hard enough. he lost it. end of the story.
The stolen vuelta?? jajajajaja,. Nadie le robó nada a Millar, perdió la Vuelta a España el solito, bueno, con la ayuda de su director deportivo jajajaja.
the whole thing is a lie. there was not conspiracy whatsoever. the case was much more simple. two riders ahead and agree: "you get the yellow jersey and i get the stage, deal? deal." something completely normal and common in cycling. another question: why nobody helped millar? the answer is simple: nobody belonged to his team. why should they? at the end, it was a very sad and painful way of losing la vuelta but stop feeding conspiracy theories. millar lost. too bad, deal with it.
sabueso - You are incorrect. NO TEAM CAR is allowed beyond it's position in the procession, let alone up to the Director car at the front of the race.
They rely on the motorcycles with the time gap which as mentioned by another poster "mysteriously disapeared" all because the spaniards had elluded Millar after a puncture. Berland is at fault because he waited till the LAST POSSIBLE MOMENT to try to buy support from other teams and in Millar's biography Stephen Roche says as much.