This is awesome Fella's! Thanks so much for bringing this to us Michael.. I really hope this starts off a yearly shoot out and that manufacturers get on board and lend you guys their projectors.. Just have to say I could listen to Jonathan talk all day he articulates so well and seems such a calm, chilled and super intelligent guy.. Great stuff!
love the average consumer perspective on this video! my setup is in a multipurpose room where we play board games, workout, watch movies, watch tv, play xbox. can't black out every room just to get the "best" conditions. I went EPSON 5040 due to ability to have lights on and still see have a usable image, but lights off, change view modes.
This shootout saved me $5k!! I was torn between the NZ7 and NZ8. But, after reading the reviews/comments on the forum and this video... NZ7 it is. I'll put that extra $5k elsewhere in the room.
There were definitely some subtle differences between the two. The higher up you go, it seems the more the law of diminishing returns is at work. The NZ7 is a fantastic projector. Send me an email if you are interested in one info@hometheatertours.com
The only thing that might push me towards the NZ8 would be that it has far better 8K eShiftX capabilities to future proof it....but is that worth an extra $5,000....that's yet to be determined? I heard JVC is going to do some huge price hike up in February?
@@downersup2 Go read the written review on the AVS forum. They talked about that... And said the two-way shift on the NZ7 versus the quad on the end NZ8 wasn't really all that noticeable.
@@steveinflorida773 from everything I have read I do think it is worth it. There does seem to be enough of a bump between the two. Even In this video review they talk about that.
This was great! Thanks to everyone who helped make this possible. The rest of my comment isn't intended to be a critique; I just wanted to share a thought I had when watching this. I know that using MadVR for tone mapping to SDR allowed the older generation of projectors compete, but maybe next time you guys do this you can skip the external tone mapping and feed actual HDR signals to the projectors and see what they can do. I have to wonder if the latest projectors can do a better job of tone mapping; I hope they could since they should know exactly what their own capabilities are. A side by side with vs. without madVR with HDR source material on identical or almost identical projectors would be great, too. Cheers!
Great video. I still own a JVC X570 (RS420) and with external tone mapping with the UB420 it puts out an incredible HDR image. It has also brought new life to my Blu Ray collection by upscaling them to 4K. Every time I start thinking about upgrades to a newer native 4K projector I watch a movie and can’t bring myself to spend the extra money.
Just bagged a rs400 and panny ub420 in the mail for physical media 😊 What's your favorite UI and setup for streaming? ATV 4k and/ or my xbox one x? Cheers
I was watching this on tv but had to login and comment. First off great video but awesome to see how you worked with sponsors to pull this together - that takes some initiative and hard work and I’m glad to see it come together for you and hopefully the channel continue to grow!
Years ago, a few friends and I started up a local meetup group. We had enriching experiences with each other for many years. It's been 10 years since we've disbanded. Watching you guys share this experience together was fantastic. It's a side of the hobby that I enjoy very much. Thank you for sharing and for the helpful insight. As you said in the sign out, you generated some excitement in this guy that had slipped away for sometime.
So I was the one with the Sony and I wanted to see how it compared to the Lasers. I can say I do love my Sony however when I go to replace it I will be looking for Laser projectors as they did look great!
@@jin5667 that home theater dude channel has a good comparison to the Sony 715 and NX line (forget the exact model but it was $8,000). The short version is the Sony has more detail and the jvc has blacker blacks. The piece missing for me is latency for gaming. The ONLY projector I have found acceptable is Sony at 27ms.
James Williams Thanks James. I agreed with that comparison. I currently own a JVC NX7 and a Sony 295es. Movie image wise, Sony is sharper, but JVC does much better on black level and HDR. Game wise, I certainly use Sony. I use JVC mainly for movies, especially dark movie. My question was about the new NZ line, doesn’t seem to offer much a difference from this shootout.
Such a great video, thank you! Well worth the wait. One suggestion for a 2023 edition - if you do one - would be to have a segment at the end where you turn off MadVR. I totally get why you used it for the blind tests to even the playing field, but it would be great to see some actual footage of the lower end projectors side-by-side with the higher end ones. You wouldn’t even need to do blind testing, as it sounds like the results would be pretty obvious. But for those of your viewers who are actually trying to figure out if spending $5k vs $15k on a projector is worth it for them, the exclusion of MadVR would be the best way to get a real sense of that. Thanks again!
Thank you for the recommendation Danny. Unfortunately we did not have enough time to run additional testing as we were going from 9 AM until almost midnight
Yes but at the same time having the madvr might show you that buying a cheaper projector and adding a powerful video processor is the better value then just buying a expensive projector that would still benefit from the video processor
This is fantastic work. I follow most of the people here on AVS but hearing the dialog with screenshots and video is fantastic. I hope to have my RS2100 set up soon and join the club. It's a my first projector and home theater. Thanks to Youthman, AVS and everyone it's an expensive but fun hobby.
Thank you Gary but the Kansas City crew has done a few of these over the years in the AVS Forums. This might be the first time it was shared on TH-cam.
Just an absolutely wonderfully done projector comparison. Great work all around. Great job Micheal and all involved. A rare instance to compare all these, and I’m really enjoying the write-ups on AVS too!
Awesome video. Love all the sincerity and fun you guys had doing this. This community is so kindy and helpfull and we just keep learning with all of you. Love you Michael!!!
This video was phenomenal and very informative on the projector shoot-out process. I want to thank everyone involved for their effort, time, and knowledge as every topic was discussed in great detail.
Very informative video. Hearing different perspectives from these knowledgeable enthusiasts about the differences in the projectors was great. I’m just finishing up my small 12’x16’ theater and am trying to decide between a clearance price NX9 and/or NZ7 or NZ8. I’m leaning towards waiting for the NZ8 based on the discussion in your video and excellent AVS Forums write-ups you’ve linked. The complainers will always find something to complain about. But your videos have helped me a ton in my journey of finally building my dream HT. As a patron and subscriber, I appreciate you brother! Keep the awesome videos coming!
Would love a follow up video where you break down your notes for each projector /shoot out. Pretty amazing feat putting all this together by the Kansas group.
@@Youthman No problem, my brother lent me his old JVC projector the X95R to test and it has the best black levels I have seen on any projector. I am addicted to JVC's now and my current projector is the Epson TW9300 which is no slouch but the JVC is on another planet black level wise. I am assuming the new bad boys NZ7/8/9 would be stunning.
So interesting. I found Brians comments something to mention. Its easy to get lost in the details (I do it all the time). He took it as an "non-expert" down to the basics, He liked the black, but also those with more light. Thats something most people can relate to, and something our eye is very sensitive to. Thanks. I liked this much more than an typical product review.
Awesome video! Kinda confirms some of what I suspected & makes me feel a whole lot better about the limited budget I have for my new cinema room build.
Thanks for the comparison. I still feel peak projector for me in a batcave is the JVC x9000. I notice contrast much more than resolution and with MadVR I feel the contrast/HDR I get from the x9000 is unrivalled. Even in a batcave there's a zero sum game with contrast - you push the peak white too high and the reflections form the room wash back onto your screen, thus diminishing the contrast. I had quite the revelation when I stopped watching HDR stuff in high lamp mode, in low lamp the contrast appeared even better!
Man fantastic job and thanks for putting this together. When I was in college I was working at family video I saved up and bought a Epson powerlite which I have been using ever since. Now I'm building my first full home theater and this couldnt be more helpful, in my space a 100in screen is the max I can fit so this was massively informative. Need to keep doing research on how those more budget friendly work with a grey or darker screen to help with the contrasts because it really seems like alot of the higher end projectors come alive on screens I just don't frankly have the space for. But that's has been great. Thanks again youthman
Shame no one had an NX5 to add to the test, it's probably the closest in terms of price to either the 295es and 6050. Also it will be interesting to see a repeat test with hopefully the new LS12000B to see if it has enough of an improvement over the 6050 to possibly compete head to head with the likes of the 295es and the upcoming NP5.
I have a smaller room with only a 92" screen, so I've always felt like the cost for me to get a JVC wouldn't be justified because my screen size... I'm not sure if this discussion helped me in that regard or not, but it sure was entertaining! Also, I'm a bit disappointed in the almost complete lack of discussion about the Epson and Sony projectors, because I feel like those are more in the price point of the majority of people who will watch this.
NX7 owner here and am super happy owning this model. I was originally tempted to sell it and grab an NZ8 which would likely cost way more. I AM on a 165” scope screen and I’m sure the NZ8 and extra lumens would be great but I might wait another generation of laser based models from JVC to see if they end up pushing the lumens any further. I run mine with the Color filter in place too so I’m tempted to disable that to see if it’s a lot brighter.
@@Youthman Yeah totally. My reason for getting one would 100% be the additional ~800 lumens. I have found that by turning my BT2020 wide colour filter off, the brightness is perfectly acceptable on my 165" scope with lens now.
Interesting that they had the NZ9 on hand but didn’t include it. Would have been nice to see what difference 15 thousand more dollars makes, if any. I know a lot of people are trying to decide between the 7 8 and 9.
great great video really the most helpful video helps you to choose what good for you, gives a lot of information impossible to experience without your effort guys thank you so much.
Great job guys, Im a JVC fan and looking to upgraded ftom x750 to either NX9 or NZ8 on a 130 inch screen. Too bad you didnt have a direct compare between these 2. Any advice. Like most, black level with high contrast and sharpest PQ is priority. One recommendation from future videos. please be consistent with the JVC model numbers. It was confusing when some use NX/Z and others used RS. thanks and great job
I appreciate the suggestion. The difficulty was guys like me rarely refer to the RS numbers. I have always referred to the NX series. And the only difference is the gold ring that I’m aware of. I have no idea what model number they’re talking about when they say RS2000, 3100 etc. But when you say NX7, NX5 , NZ9 I know exactly what you’re talking about
I have a comment about the snow appearing more blue with the Epson and the fellow saying the other image was more natural. I disagree with the more natural statement because snow does often show a blue tinge as it reflects the sky as seen on this beautiful bluebird day. This is a great video Youthman and I already look forward to the next one.
Any projector manufacturer can throw light on a screen. It’s the top shelf ones that can make the light not hit the screen IE black levels. And give you detail while watching it. Also cheaper ones don’t do wide color or proper tone mapping.
Which calibration tool did you use prior to your shootout? Such as Klein K10A colorimeter, Colorimeter Research spectroradiometer and Spectracal professional software ?
I'm building a theater with a 110" screen and now wondering if instead of a NZ7 I should just get a NP5 when that comes into production. Sounds like the higher models the big difference is on a larger screen.
So what size of screen would you say would the absolute max possible to still get the best out of the Jvc Rs420? 120" perhaps? I could see the combination of the Panasonic tone mapping player and this being somewhat of a bargain if your home cinema is on the smaller side, like mine is.
I enjoyed your podcast and shootout. One thing that may help folks decide is to do the shootout between projectors at various price points. Just like in the car market, naturally a Chevy is not going to compete in a shootout with a Ferrari, but that doesn’t mean the Chevy can’t be a good value.
Nice work. I only wish the white points had all been matched to D65 for peak white along with matching the brightness levels. I noticed the i1 display pro Spectro there. Would have been easy to do a quick 100 IRE D65 for each. Either way thanks for the hard work here. Good content as always.
@@Youthman haha. I understand. Basically it would have reigned in the color temp differences and not taken that much time. Wouldn't have been a FULL calibration for each but would have helped color temps come closer in line. The i1 Spectrometer (light meter) was shown in the video when he was balancing the peak brightness of each display on the tripod stand.
Loving the content Michael .. keep up the awesome work!! .. I think there was a ground loop in the audio where you guys were discussing and would like to see some more comparison stills between the comparisons in your next video .. dude you're taking your channel to a whole new level!!!! including video with your audio reviews is frigging awesome!!!! nicely done ..
Hey Buzz, I made a video on why I went with 2.35:1 that may be helpful - th-cam.com/video/uv7xRxgdMTs/w-d-xo.html If you decide to upgrade your projector, feel free to reach out to me at info@hometheatertours.com.
If you look at the native contrast of the pixel shift RS PJs (like the 420), they are significantly better than the native contrast on the native 4K JVC PJs. The laser PJs have better dimming which "may" level the playing field. Like the guys said, I really think combining external tone mapping and level matching on a smaller screen took away the main advantages of the laser JVCs. Going with a larger screen and not allowing external mapping would have changed it dramatically. I also think you have to factor in the benefits of laser over bulbs when buying. One thing I think would have been useful is to try the filter in the NZ8. Since you used a 100" screen, and the NZ8 seemed too bright when maxed out, then the lumen loss from the filter may have actually helped, plus you get a greater color gamut.
@youthman I should have mentioned this but I really enjoyed this video. I've watched at least a couple dozen of your videos and this was by far my favorite. The NZ8 was a PJ I almost bought. Now I'm not sure. My screen is 103" but I have some ambient light during the day. My plan was to use max lumens during the day and to use the filter at night for more serious viewing. I could also do a larger scope AT screen and really take advantage of it. That's just a LOT of work. Then again, I could get LGs 99" OLED... pricing may be similar to the NZ8... especially since JVC no longer allows street pricing but LG does. I'm also really curious what rec 2020 triple laser PJs will come out this year. I suspect I might wait 6-12 months to see how the market plays out.
@tkcdac we sent the projectors SDR with BT 2020 color mapping via MadVR. The Epsons didn’t swap to BT2020 color space automatically. We had to manually select it to get the proper colors. Without the manual set, the image was washed out and terrible using REC709 color space when it was supposed to be BT2020.
Very cool outing, group. I really enjoyed the differing perspectives, acknowledgment of the “shortcomings” and realistic nature of trying to put together a beast operation like this. Thanks to the host for letting the group do this in your space. I’m sure the wife was thrilled. Anywho, I really enjoyed this video
As an installer, my recommendation is to compare in their best default picture mode for the source material. eg. The Epson is typically best in Natural mode. This would better represent the majority of consumers installations. A very small percentage of projector buyers get professional calibration performed.
What a great effort, thank you to everyone who made this possible. Screen size: If you've got 100" screens (because you can fit 2 of them in) but you want to be testing (for example) 130" screens, what would happen if you simply zoomed the projectors to project 130", and you left the over-spill hit black velvet? Sure you wouldn't watch a film like that, with parts of the image missing, but it would show you what those images would look like on a bigger screen.
I did consider that and mentioned that to them. Part of it was just time constraint. We had one day. We started at 6 AM, everyone got there at 9 AM. We did the shoot out until 5 PM. Did a second shoot out from probably 5:30 PM till close to midnight which is what we covered in the video
@@Youthman Yeah I wasn't talking about this time, more that you were considering doing something similar in a year's time, and you may well be limited on space again then, so it was just an idea of what you can do next time.
With all the opinions and voting thoughts I would have liked to see people say which one they would actually buy. Even those with the funds I am curious if they would spend for the laser vs non laser JVC or even the Epson. I guess my conclusion is the NX7 is a better value than the laser series being a similar image for less. The Epson 6050 or try to get the same 5050 for model even less will not have the blacks of the NX7 but WHOLE lot of savings and should still do well on a large screen. The optima is for your kids bright playroom, outside but would never hold it's own for an enthusiast on a larger screen or without the tone mapping boost it received.
Spot on. You get 85-90% of the image quality at the Epson 5050 level and the law of diminishing returns kicks in pretty strongly after that. I can comfortably say in public that the price difference between the NZ7 and NZ8 were not worth it for me.
I owned the NX7 and personally loved it. The main shortcoming for my system is it does not have enough light output for a 150” screen. If your screen is smaller, it’s a fantastic projector. My NZ8 is much brighter.
@@YouthmanThanks Michael, a grid of mine has the NX7 on a 135" and I like it but it does have a dim look to it. Would you say it's noticable enough going to the NZ8 that you would drive 10mins and turn on the NZ8 and notice it? Or only really in side to side tests? Thank you
Thank You Youthman for this invaluable video. Very informative and in some cases an eye opener for me to see this showdown & feedback on these projectors. I have an EPSON 5010 and planning to replace with something real 4k maybe 8K. So this was very informative for me as I have now narrowed down to JVC RS2100. Big task is to save up for this big bad boy :)
Such beast this JVC u consider to upgrade,,the m question is if an Epson 6050ub with excellent black colour and sharpness running can u know the difference between Sony jvc or Epson This test may safe u a lot of thousands of dollars, Tell me what you think?
@@Youthman Yes sir, 100% wright but that side by side When 6050or even 5050 installed in a dedicated home theater under 4k the overall video quality is absolutely satisfying. Will the jvc give me a double value as it's double price? Or it's better than Epson twe time? I have 4010 and i consider upgrade looking for better blacks and sharpness i will appreciate ur advice really enjoying watching ur content and appreciate the effort.
Epson provides a huge value and offer a great image. Everyone has to decide for themselves if a more expensive product offers enough improvement in performance to make it worth it to them.
Kind of surprised the JVC beat the Epson 6050 that solidly. I prefer the 6050's brighter image and use that brightness to be able to engage my color filter for HDR color volume and coverage. (and for my bigger 150" screen) Many do prefer the JVC for it's blacks, but I didn't think that view was THAT universal, and it's not like the Epson has bad blacks, especially when you have the iris settings, tone mapping and filter set "right". Both solid projectors that fill slightly different needs and scenarios, so I expected the vote to be more mixed at least. When you factor in price, the Epson usually comes out ahead in a price for performance scenario too.
Yes we did not tell the participants which projectors they were looking at so price was not a factor into their decision on which they preferred the best. We found in our testing that most people prefer deeper black levels than they did brightness once we opened all the projectors up.
This was really good definitely gives some prospective on the law of diminishing return. I love my 6050 that I've had about 4 or 5 months but always wondered am I really missing a lot, and I truly don't think so. Also caught it on one of those Youthman type deals were I paid less than $2k for it. This was a blessing.
@@Youthman Hey, do you think Shaun would be up to make another one of those side surround brackets he made for you? I need something very similar for my RP502s but to mount to the ceiling and come down to ear level. No wall on the right side. I'm using something I mocked up but yours is much better. I could send him a drawing and all the measurements.
Where is the shootout video? I saw the one where you guys set up everything and then this one where you discuss but I don't see the side by side shots....did you not put out that type of video??
I was anticipating that on this video. But given all the copyright issues with playing movie scenes on TH-cam, I’m sure Michael opted to leave those out opposed to running the risk of having all this hard work taken down.
@@tb2324 I kinda get that, but it basically defeats the purpose for those of us who couldn't view the actual content..plus I've seen many shootouts on other channels that weren't taken down. Oh well, I was just really excited about this video and thought it would be more visual as opposed to a discussion about them.
Where would you estimate the Epson Ls12000 laser would position? I’m curious if it can approach JVC black levels. Most definitely like a laser source to avoid bulb dimming. Thanks in advance.
So would you recommend some one with a smaller budget to build a home theater PC and use MadVr to use with there projector? Or would you recommend everyone? Michael will you install a home theater PC and get a Madvr?
Thanks for this awesome video! I am considering getting the NZ7 to use with my 100" screen. Being a big 3d fan, I will surely watch all my 3d blu-rays on it (via the Pana UB9000). I am a bit concerned about the lumens on the NZ7 for that purpose. From what I can gather from this video, there is not a lot of practical difference with respect to brightness between the NZ7 and NZ8 in real life when viewed on a 100" screen. I guess that pertains in particular to 2d content and likely then 4k HDR content. But would you say that the same is true for 3d content on the NZ7 vs the NZ8 with respect to lumens/brightness? Or is the incremental costs going from NZ7 to NZ8 worth it for viewing 3d content to get the added brightness (again; will be watching on a 100" screen). Thanks again for the awesome video. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for the kind words. Honestly I have never gotten into 3-D so that is an area that I am unfamiliar with. Ryan and Nic shared the lumen output when they measured each of the models in the EVS thread that are linked down in the description. So that might be helpful. Originally we brightness matched all of them but later on in the shoot out we unleased them to their full capacity
I do wish the shootout didn't include MadVR, etc. Just straight out of the box and calibrated. The argument would be made that those lower-tiered projectors would be blown out of the water, but I think the whole point would be, does the difference in what your seeing correlate to the difference in what you would be willing to pay in price. In other words, not just which one is 'better', but do I want projector A at this price, or is it worth it to me to get projector B for that price. Regardless, I really appreciate the video here, and the comments on AVSForums. A wealth of knowledge and feedback. Thank you.
I too would like to see that as well. Will keep that in mind for a future shoot out. Look for many more to come with the next one already being in the works
Will you be doing a similar test with short throw laser projectors? I noticed on your channel that you have a couple of videos testing short throw laser projectors but you haven't done a round-robin like you've done here
Yes I have reviewed a few ultra short throw projector‘s but that’s just whenever they come in. It would be difficult for me personally to get mini brands lined up and coordinated to where I have quite a few of them in at the same time. This shootout we had people in a local area of Kansas City bring their own projectors so it’s whatever they had
Ive tried looking up the jvc rs420 they are talking about is only $1000 but was winning. Cannot find anywhere online that sells it anywhere close to that. Even finding it at all is quite difficult to buy, only found $3000
@@Youthman Thanks for the great effort benefitting us all. Did not mean to sound pushy, it was just my excitement and impatience which led me to ask twice. I have no editing experience otherwise would love to help out. Love your videos. Youthman rocks.:-)
Awesome projector shootout! It goes to show with proper calibration and adding perhaps MADVR, one can achieve great results with low cost projectors. Hopefully in the future you can do an LCR speaker shootout which includes the DIY stuff, that would be awesome.
I was able to watch your newest video on my TV about AutoCal calibration of your JVC but I cannot see it on my PC? Was it taken down? I wanted to comment on it but something odd is happening.
Hey Youthman, what are the specs on the HTPC you used for MadVr in this test? How much did it cost and did you put it together yourself? I've got a Sony 915es and I'm looking to dramatically improve my HDR viewing without spending $9K-$12K on a pre-built box. Thanks.
Some people would say you didn't give the projectors a chance to shine on such a pedestrian screen such as an Elite. Well I love my Elite, and if your $10,000 projector needs a $3000 screen to outperform a lower projector...that says more about your projector than the screen.
👆👆👆 we really didn’t receive many comments complaining about the budget friendly projector screens we used. I think it’s crazy to spend $3000 on a projection screen but that’s just me. I feel you can get more for your money investing it in other places of your home theater
@@Youthman I agree I sell everything from Elite Screens to Screen Innovation and Stewart Filmscreen. All most people need is that Elite Screen. Yes I've designed some systems with acoustically transparent screens and motorized 16:9 to 2.35:1. But those are not the norm.
This is awesome Fella's! Thanks so much for bringing this to us Michael.. I really hope this starts off a yearly shoot out and that manufacturers get on board and lend you guys their projectors.. Just have to say I could listen to Jonathan talk all day he articulates so well and seems such a calm, chilled and super intelligent guy.. Great stuff!
love the average consumer perspective on this video! my setup is in a multipurpose room where we play board games, workout, watch movies, watch tv, play xbox. can't black out every room just to get the "best" conditions. I went EPSON 5040 due to ability to have lights on and still see have a usable image, but lights off, change view modes.
This shootout saved me $5k!! I was torn between the NZ7 and NZ8. But, after reading the reviews/comments on the forum and this video... NZ7 it is. I'll put that extra $5k elsewhere in the room.
There were definitely some subtle differences between the two. The higher up you go, it seems the more the law of diminishing returns is at work. The NZ7 is a fantastic projector. Send me an email if you are interested in one info@hometheatertours.com
Ramsay, You think the laser is worth the cost over the NX series? - would like to know your thoughts.
The only thing that might push me towards the NZ8 would be that it has far better 8K eShiftX capabilities to future proof it....but is that worth an extra $5,000....that's yet to be determined? I heard JVC is going to do some huge price hike up in February?
@@downersup2 Go read the written review on the AVS forum. They talked about that... And said the two-way shift on the NZ7 versus the quad on the end NZ8 wasn't really all that noticeable.
@@steveinflorida773 from everything I have read I do think it is worth it. There does seem to be enough of a bump between the two. Even In this video review they talk about that.
This was great! Thanks to everyone who helped make this possible. The rest of my comment isn't intended to be a critique; I just wanted to share a thought I had when watching this. I know that using MadVR for tone mapping to SDR allowed the older generation of projectors compete, but maybe next time you guys do this you can skip the external tone mapping and feed actual HDR signals to the projectors and see what they can do. I have to wonder if the latest projectors can do a better job of tone mapping; I hope they could since they should know exactly what their own capabilities are. A side by side with vs. without madVR with HDR source material on identical or almost identical projectors would be great, too. Cheers!
Great video. I still own a JVC X570 (RS420) and with external tone mapping with the UB420 it puts out an incredible HDR image. It has also brought new life to my Blu Ray collection by upscaling them to 4K. Every time I start thinking about upgrades to a newer native 4K projector I watch a movie and can’t bring myself to spend the extra money.
Hey Adam. What are you using for external tone-mapping?
Just bagged a rs400 and panny ub420 in the mail for physical media 😊
What's your favorite UI and setup for streaming? ATV 4k and/ or my xbox one x? Cheers
I had the 820 and its Tone mapping pales compared to madvr with my htpc. You should try it
@@shaolin95 Uurghh. Pity about the - I N S A N E - price tag for MadVR. Just ridiculous.
I was watching this on tv but had to login and comment. First off great video but awesome to see how you worked with sponsors to pull this together - that takes some initiative and hard work and I’m glad to see it come together for you and hopefully the channel continue to grow!
Thank you for the kind words Matt. There were a lot of people that were involved to make this a successful event
Love the KC guys. They are very intelligent and explain things so well. I really appreciate the informative discussion style.
Years ago, a few friends and I started up a local meetup group. We had enriching experiences with each other for many years. It's been 10 years since we've disbanded. Watching you guys share this experience together was fantastic. It's a side of the hobby that I enjoy very much. Thank you for sharing and for the helpful insight. As you said in the sign out, you generated some excitement in this guy that had slipped away for sometime.
So I was the one with the Sony and I wanted to see how it compared to the Lasers. I can say I do love my Sony however when I go to replace it I will be looking for Laser projectors as they did look great!
Thank you for bringing out your projector and for cooking up some mean BBQ for us all
@@Youthman Anytime. Next time I will aim to do a Brisket. Out of all things to Smoke this one is my Fave!
How much is the difference compared to the NZ? Is it more like $500 difference or $5000 difference?
@@jin5667 that home theater dude channel has a good comparison to the Sony 715 and NX line (forget the exact model but it was $8,000). The short version is the Sony has more detail and the jvc has blacker blacks. The piece missing for me is latency for gaming. The ONLY projector I have found acceptable is Sony at 27ms.
James Williams Thanks James. I agreed with that comparison. I currently own a JVC NX7 and a Sony 295es. Movie image wise, Sony is sharper, but JVC does much better on black level and HDR. Game wise, I certainly use Sony. I use JVC mainly for movies, especially dark movie. My question was about the new NZ line, doesn’t seem to offer much a difference from this shootout.
Such a great video, thank you! Well worth the wait. One suggestion for a 2023 edition - if you do one - would be to have a segment at the end where you turn off MadVR. I totally get why you used it for the blind tests to even the playing field, but it would be great to see some actual footage of the lower end projectors side-by-side with the higher end ones. You wouldn’t even need to do blind testing, as it sounds like the results would be pretty obvious. But for those of your viewers who are actually trying to figure out if spending $5k vs $15k on a projector is worth it for them, the exclusion of MadVR would be the best way to get a real sense of that. Thanks again!
Thank you for the recommendation Danny. Unfortunately we did not have enough time to run additional testing as we were going from 9 AM until almost midnight
Yes but at the same time having the madvr might show you that buying a cheaper projector and adding a powerful video processor is the better value then just buying a expensive projector that would still benefit from the video processor
HD danman Maybe. Though MadVR costs $15k (assuming you’re not using a HTPC). More than every single one of these projectors alone except for one.
Thank y'all for your time, money, and risk for putting this together during this period, just to show which toy were gonna buy next.
Thank you Youthman and the crew for the 2022 projector shoutout
Thank you for the kind words. We are already planning the next event. It’s going to be epic
This is fantastic work. I follow most of the people here on AVS but hearing the dialog with screenshots and video is fantastic. I hope to have my RS2100 set up soon and join the club. It's a my first projector and home theater. Thanks to Youthman, AVS and everyone it's an expensive but fun hobby.
Thank you kindly.
Thanks for all the hard work guys!
Thanks Michael! - I'm completely blown away by this - it has never been done before.
A PJ shootout - imagine! Thanks to everybody!
Thank you Gary but the Kansas City crew has done a few of these over the years in the AVS Forums. This might be the first time it was shared on TH-cam.
@@Youthman Loving it here in the UK 💕
Just an absolutely wonderfully done projector comparison. Great work all around. Great job Micheal and all involved. A rare instance to compare all these, and I’m really enjoying the write-ups on AVS too!
Thank you Jerod. It was a lot of fun to be a part of this event. We are already planning the next event which is going to be even bigger
@@Youthman Can’t wait Micheal!
Awesome video. Love all the sincerity and fun you guys had doing this. This community is so kindy and helpfull and we just keep learning with all of you. Love you Michael!!!
I appreciate the kind words. Trying to build up the home theater Community and make it a better place
This video was phenomenal and very informative on the projector shoot-out process. I want to thank everyone involved for their effort, time, and knowledge as every topic was discussed in great detail.
I’m glad you enjoyed the video Michael it was a lot of fun. We are already planning the next event
Very informative video. Hearing different perspectives from these knowledgeable enthusiasts about the differences in the projectors was great. I’m just finishing up my small 12’x16’ theater and am trying to decide between a clearance price NX9 and/or NZ7 or NZ8. I’m leaning towards waiting for the NZ8 based on the discussion in your video and excellent AVS Forums write-ups you’ve linked. The complainers will always find something to complain about. But your videos have helped me a ton in my journey of finally building my dream HT. As a patron and subscriber, I appreciate you brother! Keep the awesome videos coming!
Thank you James. Haters gonna hate. ;)
As an NZ7 Owner was really eager to watch this shootout! Great Job Again!
Would love a follow up video where you break down your notes for each projector /shoot out. Pretty amazing feat putting all this together by the Kansas group.
I love this channel, you always talk about what we really want to hear. Great video
Thank you for the kind words
@@Youthman No problem, my brother lent me his old JVC projector the X95R to test and it has the best black levels I have seen on any projector. I am addicted to JVC's now and my current projector is the Epson TW9300 which is no slouch but the JVC is on another planet black level wise. I am assuming the new bad boys NZ7/8/9 would be stunning.
So interesting. I found Brians comments something to mention. Its easy to get lost in the details (I do it all the time). He took it as an "non-expert" down to the basics, He liked the black, but also those with more light. Thats something most people can relate to, and something our eye is very sensitive to.
Thanks. I liked this much more than an typical product review.
Awesome video! Kinda confirms some of what I suspected & makes me feel a whole lot better about the limited budget I have for my new cinema room build.
I have a rs600 so maybe i should get a lumagen or madVR as a better upgrade then buying a newer projector?
Thanks for the comparison. I still feel peak projector for me in a batcave is the JVC x9000. I notice contrast much more than resolution and with MadVR I feel the contrast/HDR I get from the x9000 is unrivalled. Even in a batcave there's a zero sum game with contrast - you push the peak white too high and the reflections form the room wash back onto your screen, thus diminishing the contrast. I had quite the revelation when I stopped watching HDR stuff in high lamp mode, in low lamp the contrast appeared even better!
Ha, Krosan with the Yamaha shirt.
Man fantastic job and thanks for putting this together. When I was in college I was working at family video I saved up and bought a Epson powerlite which I have been using ever since. Now I'm building my first full home theater and this couldnt be more helpful, in my space a 100in screen is the max I can fit so this was massively informative. Need to keep doing research on how those more budget friendly work with a grey or darker screen to help with the contrasts because it really seems like alot of the higher end projectors come alive on screens I just don't frankly have the space for. But that's has been great. Thanks again youthman
Glad you enjoyed the video Tyler. Good luck with your build
Shame no one had an NX5 to add to the test, it's probably the closest in terms of price to either the 295es and 6050. Also it will be interesting to see a repeat test with hopefully the new LS12000B to see if it has enough of an improvement over the 6050 to possibly compete head to head with the likes of the 295es and the upcoming NP5.
I have a smaller room with only a 92" screen, so I've always felt like the cost for me to get a JVC wouldn't be justified because my screen size... I'm not sure if this discussion helped me in that regard or not, but it sure was entertaining!
Also, I'm a bit disappointed in the almost complete lack of discussion about the Epson and Sony projectors, because I feel like those are more in the price point of the majority of people who will watch this.
Take a look at the AVS links in the description for more details on how they specifically compared.
I laugh at the surprise velvet attack at @6:37
Haha I didn’t know what happened first
NX7 owner here and am super happy owning this model. I was originally tempted to sell it and grab an NZ8 which would likely cost way more. I AM on a 165” scope screen and I’m sure the NZ8 and extra lumens would be great but I might wait another generation of laser based models from JVC to see if they end up pushing the lumens any further. I run mine with the Color filter in place too so I’m tempted to disable that to see if it’s a lot brighter.
Congratulations Scott that’s a fantastic projector. Definitely try with and without the filter to see what you prefer
I’m not selling
my NX7 anytime soon. The biggest im advantage of the NZ7 is 8K which there is no source offering it anyways.
I believe the biggest advantage is not 8K, but the benefits of the laser light source which is 20,000 hours and it doesn’t dim over time.
@@Youthman Yeah totally. My reason for getting one would 100% be the additional ~800 lumens. I have found that by turning my BT2020 wide colour filter off, the brightness is perfectly acceptable on my 165" scope with lens now.
Yeah I do not use the color filter on mine as well due to the loss of light output
Interesting that they had the NZ9 on hand but didn’t include it. Would have been nice to see what difference 15 thousand more dollars makes, if any. I know a lot of people are trying to decide between the 7 8 and 9.
great great video really the most helpful video helps you to choose what good for you, gives a lot of information impossible to experience without your effort guys thank you so much.
Glad you found the video helpful
Great job guys, Im a JVC fan and looking to upgraded ftom x750 to either NX9 or NZ8 on a 130 inch screen. Too bad you didnt have a direct compare between these 2. Any advice. Like most, black level with high contrast and sharpest PQ is priority.
One recommendation from future videos. please be consistent with the JVC model numbers. It was confusing when some use NX/Z and others used RS. thanks and great job
I appreciate the suggestion. The difficulty was guys like me rarely refer to the RS numbers. I have always referred to the NX series. And the only difference is the gold ring that I’m aware of. I have no idea what model number they’re talking about when they say RS2000, 3100 etc. But when you say NX7, NX5 , NZ9 I know exactly what you’re talking about
If you decide on which JVC you are interested in ordering, feel feee to reach out to me at info@hometheatertours.com.
Amazing job to all of you! Thank you Mike and Ryan!
Thank you kindly. Also a big shout out to Tony and Nick for calibrating all 8 projectors and Jonathan for the work he put into it as well.
I have a comment about the snow appearing more blue with the Epson and the fellow saying the other image was more natural. I disagree with the more natural statement because snow does often show a blue tinge as it reflects the sky as seen on this beautiful bluebird day. This is a great video Youthman and I already look forward to the next one.
Thank you for the kind words and the additional perspective Shawn
@@Youthman I really wished you guys had compared the NX9 to the NZ9
We didn’t have an NX9 to compare it to.
Any projector manufacturer can throw light on a screen. It’s the top shelf ones that can make the light not hit the screen IE black levels. And give you detail while watching it. Also cheaper ones don’t do wide color or proper tone mapping.
Which calibration tool did you use prior to your shootout? Such as Klein K10A colorimeter, Colorimeter Research spectroradiometer and Spectracal professional software ?
I'm building a theater with a 110" screen and now wondering if instead of a NZ7 I should just get a NP5 when that comes into production. Sounds like the higher models the big difference is on a larger screen.
So what size of screen would you say would the absolute max possible to still get the best out of the Jvc Rs420? 120" perhaps?
I could see the combination of the Panasonic tone mapping player and this being somewhat of a bargain if your home cinema is on the smaller side, like mine is.
For HDR 120 would be maximum but for SDR you can go 140 without any problem
@@georgepopescu1327 well that's handy seeing as I've already got a 120" screen 😁.
JVC Is the best 4K projector 👌❤
Thx for doing this guys.
I enjoyed your podcast and shootout. One thing that may help folks decide is to do the shootout between projectors at various price points. Just like in the car market, naturally a Chevy is not going to compete in a shootout with a Ferrari, but that doesn’t mean the Chevy can’t be a good value.
Thanks for the suggestion Steve. Unfortunately the first shootout took 8 hrs so it would be difficult to do multiple shoutouts in a single day.
Great video, a ton of work putting this on, really appreciate it.
Youthman, I think the round table discussion is great to see the individuals we’ve seen on the Kc tour. Kudos 🙏🏻
Thanks brother
Nice work. I only wish the white points had all been matched to D65 for peak white along with matching the brightness levels. I noticed the i1 display pro Spectro there. Would have been easy to do a quick 100 IRE D65 for each. Either way thanks for the hard work here. Good content as always.
Can I get a translator over here please? 🤣 Calibration is all Greek to me
@@Youthman haha. I understand. Basically it would have reigned in the color temp differences and not taken that much time. Wouldn't have been a FULL calibration for each but would have helped color temps come closer in line. The i1 Spectrometer (light meter) was shown in the video when he was balancing the peak brightness of each display on the tripod stand.
is laser projectors also in the video?
The JVC NZ7 and NZ8 are laser projectors and we’re in the shootout.
Loving the content Michael .. keep up the awesome work!! .. I think there was a ground loop in the audio where you guys were discussing and would like to see some more comparison stills between the comparisons in your next video .. dude you're taking your channel to a whole new level!!!! including video with your audio reviews is frigging awesome!!!! nicely done ..
Are you upgrading your NX7 Youthman?
No immediate plans to.
GoFundMe? 🤣🤣🤣
So what's the result, what do you buy for a 130 inch anamorphic in a 14ft long room dedicated room? With external tone mapping
Great Work! I'm know going to return the Hisense L9G120 and go for the JCV NX7. Now I need to decide on 120" 16x9 or go for a 2:35 like you have.
Hey Buzz, I made a video on why I went with 2.35:1 that may be helpful - th-cam.com/video/uv7xRxgdMTs/w-d-xo.html
If you decide to upgrade your projector, feel free to reach out to me at info@hometheatertours.com.
Awesome video! Watched from the start to the end.
Glad you enjoyed it!
If you look at the native contrast of the pixel shift RS PJs (like the 420), they are significantly better than the native contrast on the native 4K JVC PJs. The laser PJs have better dimming which "may" level the playing field. Like the guys said, I really think combining external tone mapping and level matching on a smaller screen took away the main advantages of the laser JVCs. Going with a larger screen and not allowing external mapping would have changed it dramatically. I also think you have to factor in the benefits of laser over bulbs when buying. One thing I think would have been useful is to try the filter in the NZ8. Since you used a 100" screen, and the NZ8 seemed too bright when maxed out, then the lumen loss from the filter may have actually helped, plus you get a greater color gamut.
@youthman I should have mentioned this but I really enjoyed this video. I've watched at least a couple dozen of your videos and this was by far my favorite. The NZ8 was a PJ I almost bought. Now I'm not sure. My screen is 103" but I have some ambient light during the day. My plan was to use max lumens during the day and to use the filter at night for more serious viewing. I could also do a larger scope AT screen and really take advantage of it. That's just a LOT of work. Then again, I could get LGs 99" OLED... pricing may be similar to the NZ8... especially since JVC no longer allows street pricing but LG does. I'm also really curious what rec 2020 triple laser PJs will come out this year. I suspect I might wait 6-12 months to see how the market plays out.
Great video. And the write-up on AVS forum was spectacular. Very informative and detailed.
Great job, and thank you for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed the video
DUDE’s, thanks for doing this. I appreciate your long hours and hard work.
Thanks David it was a team effort and we believe it turned out really well and has great information for the home theater community
34:56 I have an epson and I have no idea what this guy is talking about, and I can't google anything on it. Is he talking about a MadVR setting?
Now that is a physical setting within the Epson. You have to tell it what color space you are using
@tkcdac we sent the projectors SDR with BT 2020 color mapping via MadVR. The Epsons didn’t swap to BT2020 color space automatically. We had to manually select it to get the proper colors. Without the manual set, the image was washed out and terrible using REC709 color space when it was supposed to be BT2020.
Very cool outing, group. I really enjoyed the differing perspectives, acknowledgment of the “shortcomings” and realistic nature of trying to put together a beast operation like this. Thanks to the host for letting the group do this in your space. I’m sure the wife was thrilled. Anywho, I really enjoyed this video
As an installer, my recommendation is to compare in their best default picture mode for the source material. eg. The Epson is typically best in Natural mode. This would better represent the majority of consumers installations. A very small percentage of projector buyers get professional calibration performed.
What a great effort, thank you to everyone who made this possible.
Screen size:
If you've got 100" screens (because you can fit 2 of them in) but you want to be testing (for example) 130" screens, what would happen if you simply zoomed the projectors to project 130", and you left the over-spill hit black velvet? Sure you wouldn't watch a film like that, with parts of the image missing, but it would show you what those images would look like on a bigger screen.
I did consider that and mentioned that to them. Part of it was just time constraint. We had one day. We started at 6 AM, everyone got there at 9 AM. We did the shoot out until 5 PM. Did a second shoot out from probably 5:30 PM till close to midnight which is what we covered in the video
@@Youthman Yeah I wasn't talking about this time, more that you were considering doing something similar in a year's time, and you may well be limited on space again then, so it was just an idea of what you can do next time.
What kind of projector screen was used? ALR or white screen?
Standard screens from Elite.
@Youthman what your opinion on ALR grey screens or white screens plz
Please post link to AVS ! Thanks
Please look in the description 🤣
Enjoyed watching and value all the information. The last comments, “What we aren’t getting paid for this” was funny 😄
Haha we had a blast together and look forward to our next event in around 6 months.
With all the opinions and voting thoughts I would have liked to see people say which one they would actually buy. Even those with the funds I am curious if they would spend for the laser vs non laser JVC or even the Epson.
I guess my conclusion is the NX7 is a better value than the laser series being a similar image for less. The Epson 6050 or try to get the same 5050 for model even less will not have the blacks of the NX7 but WHOLE lot of savings and should still do well on a large screen. The optima is for your kids bright playroom, outside but would never hold it's own for an enthusiast on a larger screen or without the tone mapping boost it received.
That’s a pretty good assessment
Spot on. You get 85-90% of the image quality at the Epson 5050 level and the law of diminishing returns kicks in pretty strongly after that. I can comfortably say in public that the price difference between the NZ7 and NZ8 were not worth it for me.
So what was the nx7 shortcomings?
I owned the NX7 and personally loved it. The main shortcoming for my system is it does not have enough light output for a 150” screen. If your screen is smaller, it’s a fantastic projector. My NZ8 is much brighter.
@@YouthmanThanks Michael, a grid of mine has the NX7 on a 135" and I like it but it does have a dim look to it. Would you say it's noticable enough going to the NZ8 that you would drive 10mins and turn on the NZ8 and notice it? Or only really in side to side tests?
Thank you
Awesome stuff! Legendary versus vid 👍
Wow thank you
Great Product and Worth Every Penny!
Really loved this thanks for all your efforts.
Thanks!
Thank You Youthman for this invaluable video. Very informative and in some cases an eye opener for me to see this showdown & feedback on these projectors. I have an EPSON 5010 and planning to replace with something real 4k maybe 8K. So this was very informative for me as I have now narrowed down to JVC RS2100. Big task is to save up for this big bad boy :)
Such beast this JVC u consider to upgrade,,the m question is if an Epson 6050ub with excellent black colour and sharpness running can u know the difference between Sony jvc or Epson
This test may safe u a lot of thousands of dollars,
Tell me what you think?
We actually had a 6050 in the Kansas City Projector Shootout. It cannot compete with the black levels of a JVC
@@Youthman
Yes sir, 100% wright but that side by side
When 6050or even 5050 installed in a dedicated home theater under 4k the overall video quality is absolutely satisfying. Will the jvc give me a double value as it's double price? Or it's better than Epson twe time?
I have 4010 and i consider upgrade looking for better blacks and sharpness i will appreciate ur advice really enjoying watching ur content and appreciate the effort.
Epson provides a huge value and offer a great image. Everyone has to decide for themselves if a more expensive product offers enough improvement in performance to make it worth it to them.
@@Youthman
U have the 5040ub for years
If u want upgrade am really interesting to know what areas improvement will u looking for.
Kind of surprised the JVC beat the Epson 6050 that solidly. I prefer the 6050's brighter image and use that brightness to be able to engage my color filter for HDR color volume and coverage. (and for my bigger 150" screen) Many do prefer the JVC for it's blacks, but I didn't think that view was THAT universal, and it's not like the Epson has bad blacks, especially when you have the iris settings, tone mapping and filter set "right". Both solid projectors that fill slightly different needs and scenarios, so I expected the vote to be more mixed at least. When you factor in price, the Epson usually comes out ahead in a price for performance scenario too.
Yes we did not tell the participants which projectors they were looking at so price was not a factor into their decision on which they preferred the best. We found in our testing that most people prefer deeper black levels than they did brightness once we opened all the projectors up.
Youthman did you noitice any screen door effect on the epson?
No one mentioned seeing any screen door
One guy did say he could not see any screen door 7 ft away on any of them.
Have you done any reviews on SIM2 projectors? How are they compared to those high end JVCs
Sim aren’t bright enough.
Im going for the jvc nz7🙂
Great option for sure.
Guy on the right walks into a Nike outlet and... Comes out stuck on "big screen size" repeat mode
This was really good definitely gives some prospective on the law of diminishing return. I love my 6050 that I've had about 4 or 5 months but always wondered am I really missing a lot, and I truly don't think so. Also caught it on one of those Youthman type deals were I paid less than $2k for it. This was a blessing.
For $2000, I would absolutely keep what you have for a while. That’s awesome congratulations
@@Youthman Hey, do you think Shaun would be up to make another one of those side surround brackets he made for you? I need something very similar for my RP502s but to mount to the ceiling and come down to ear level. No wall on the right side. I'm using something I mocked up but yours is much better. I could send him a drawing and all the measurements.
Where is the shootout video? I saw the one where you guys set up everything and then this one where you discuss but I don't see the side by side shots....did you not put out that type of video??
I was anticipating that on this video. But given all the copyright issues with playing movie scenes on TH-cam, I’m sure Michael opted to leave those out opposed to running the risk of having all this hard work taken down.
@@tb2324 I kinda get that, but it basically defeats the purpose for those of us who couldn't view the actual content..plus I've seen many shootouts on other channels that weren't taken down. Oh well, I was just really excited about this video and thought it would be more visual as opposed to a discussion about them.
TB is correct. I am genuinely curious how you film an 8 hour shootout followed by another 2-3hr shoutout?
Not withstanding the copyright issues you run into. If you want to see the results, I have linked the AVS posts in the description below
Where would you estimate the Epson Ls12000 laser would position? I’m curious if it can approach JVC black levels. Most definitely like a laser source to avoid bulb dimming. Thanks in advance.
I have not seen it in person but I do not expect Epson to have similar black levels as JVC at over 1/2 the cost.
Great video. Will you be upgrading to the nz7.
No the NZ7 would be a lateral move from my NX7 apart from the benefits of a laser light source
I recently canceled my Epson 3800 for a BenQ TK850i. Did I mess up? Have you guys tested the BenQ TK850?
Wondering what the settings are 🤔 on the Panasonic player for 100" screen .
I still run the first 3D JVC projector X3
We weren’t using the Panny but instead, MadVR on a HTPC
So would you recommend some one with a smaller budget to build a home theater PC and use MadVr to use with there projector? Or would you recommend everyone? Michael will you install a home theater PC and get a Madvr?
I do not have any current plans to build a HTPC.
Thanks for this awesome video! I am considering getting the NZ7 to use with my 100" screen. Being a big 3d fan, I will surely watch all my 3d blu-rays on it (via the Pana UB9000). I am a bit concerned about the lumens on the NZ7 for that purpose. From what I can gather from this video, there is not a lot of practical difference with respect to brightness between the NZ7 and NZ8 in real life when viewed on a 100" screen. I guess that pertains in particular to 2d content and likely then 4k HDR content. But would you say that the same is true for 3d content on the NZ7 vs the NZ8 with respect to lumens/brightness? Or is the incremental costs going from NZ7 to NZ8 worth it for viewing 3d content to get the added brightness (again; will be watching on a 100" screen). Thanks again for the awesome video. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for the kind words. Honestly I have never gotten into 3-D so that is an area that I am unfamiliar with. Ryan and Nic shared the lumen output when they measured each of the models in the EVS thread that are linked down in the description. So that might be helpful. Originally we brightness matched all of them but later on in the shoot out we unleased them to their full capacity
Thanx a lot! maybe some timestamps to offer some structure for the viewers would be helpful.
Long video and not in video detail section. Is the ls12000b in here from Epson?
No. Link in description to all units that were compared
Epson 12000 doesn’t come out till April 2022 in the US.
@@jvonengeln thanks where did you get that from?
@@peterwood2633 multiple references to April in France and the United Stares in April 2022 on AVForum.
@@jvonengeln I'm hoping April for Aus/NZ too then?!
is tone mapping works with the SDR
I do wish the shootout didn't include MadVR, etc. Just straight out of the box and calibrated. The argument would be made that those lower-tiered projectors would be blown out of the water, but I think the whole point would be, does the difference in what your seeing correlate to the difference in what you would be willing to pay in price.
In other words, not just which one is 'better', but do I want projector A at this price, or is it worth it to me to get projector B for that price.
Regardless, I really appreciate the video here, and the comments on AVSForums. A wealth of knowledge and feedback. Thank you.
I too would like to see that as well. Will keep that in mind for a future shoot out. Look for many more to come with the next one already being in the works
Totally agree with this. The quality of picture processing is an important part of the cost of the units so this not a fair comparison at all.
Will you be doing a similar test with short throw laser projectors? I noticed on your channel that you have a couple of videos testing short throw laser projectors but you haven't done a round-robin like you've done here
Yes I have reviewed a few ultra short throw projector‘s but that’s just whenever they come in. It would be difficult for me personally to get mini brands lined up and coordinated to where I have quite a few of them in at the same time. This shootout we had people in a local area of Kansas City bring their own projectors so it’s whatever they had
Ive tried looking up the jvc rs420 they are talking about is only $1000 but was winning. Cannot find anywhere online that sells it anywhere close to that. Even finding it at all is quite difficult to buy, only found $3000
Being that, it’s a six year old projector, it’s going to become more and more difficult to find.
So cool, wish we could get people around here to get involved like that. Is that Scrappydue laying on the floor? Some of the old Klipsch forum guys!
Me too and yes Steven was napping during the shootout lol
So now it will be on day 5?
This video took me 4 full days of editing. If you would like to volunteer edit my videos, that would allow me to get them out quicker. 😉
@@Youthman Thanks for the great effort benefitting us all. Did not mean to sound pushy, it was just my excitement and impatience which led me to ask twice. I have no editing experience otherwise would love to help out. Love your videos. Youthman rocks.:-)
No worries hope you enjoyed the video
@@Youthman Yes a very informative video indeed and simply a super effort. Thanks a mil.
Thank you kindly
Awesome projector shootout! It goes to show with proper calibration and adding perhaps MADVR, one can achieve great results with low cost projectors. Hopefully in the future you can do an LCR speaker shootout which includes the DIY stuff, that would be awesome.
Thank you kindly rock steady
That was awesome guys. What scene was that from where you tested the low apl from bladerunner 2049
I was able to watch your newest video on my TV about AutoCal calibration of your JVC but I cannot see it on my PC? Was it taken down? I wanted to comment on it but something odd is happening.
The video is still online.
@@Youthman thanks for confirming. For whatever reason it is not showing for me either on my phone or via PC
@youthman what do you think about curved projector screens?
Could an nx7 cover a 160in 2.40:1?
Check this projector calculator to see www.projectorcentral.com/projection-calculator-pro.cfm
I’m assuming you meant to say 160 inch not foot
@@Youthman you assume right. Yeah, that was a slip.
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Question: Im after 4K 120hz projector… which one should I go after (JVC NZ7 or Epson LS12000)?
Hey Youthman, what are the specs on the HTPC you used for MadVr in this test? How much did it cost and did you put it together yourself? I've got a Sony 915es and I'm looking to dramatically improve my HDR viewing without spending $9K-$12K on a pre-built box. Thanks.
Hi Sean, I was a guest at the event so I do not have the details of the HTPC they used with Matt VR. It was a laptop
You could email ryan@ascendav.net and he could provide more info on it
@@Youthman Much appreciated. Thanks!
Some people would say you didn't give the projectors a chance to shine on such a pedestrian screen such as an Elite. Well I love my Elite, and if your $10,000 projector needs a $3000 screen to outperform a lower projector...that says more about your projector than the screen.
👆👆👆 we really didn’t receive many comments complaining about the budget friendly projector screens we used. I think it’s crazy to spend $3000 on a projection screen but that’s just me. I feel you can get more for your money investing it in other places of your home theater
@@Youthman I agree I sell everything from Elite Screens to Screen Innovation and Stewart Filmscreen. All most people need is that Elite Screen. Yes I've designed some systems with acoustically transparent screens and motorized 16:9 to 2.35:1. But those are not the norm.
How did the sony 295 compare to the Epson 6050?
Epson came out ahead. Take a look at Ryan’s post in the description below for the scores
I’ve been trying to find it… even checked the avs post but can’t find info on a direct comparison between these two….
Looking back at Ryan’s post, both projectors got beat out by JVC Projectors so they never went head to head
That’s a shame… seems like the likeliest competitor…. Especially since higher end songs weren’t available
My understanding is Sony hasn’t been faring well in the projector market. That might be why no one out of 89,000 subscribers offered to bring one.