For anyone out there considering Marthyn’s courses, just do it. I bought Bass Drum Mastery a little over two years ago and it’s transformed my playing. I would still be at 125/130 BPM rather than 190/200 if not for him. Thank you Marthyn!
@Spiffco Bot. I don’t think anyone has suggested that. This is all about pushing boundaries. As drummers, we work from day one trying to speed up our hands, but, strangely, you don’t hear the BPM argument directed at snare work. Speed is just another tool to be used when required. Even if you can, doesn’t mean you have to. BUT, if you can’t, you can’t.
It's also about how tired you feel. If I slept badly the night before, everything is just way more difficult. Also it takes me few days to recover after a longer break from practice (let's say 2 weeks or a month).
This is exactly what i've been looking for. Basically every other tutorial is just "lol just practice more" I've played rock drums for the better half of 10 years, and was having problems 1 and 3 while transitioning to proper double bass and I'm happy you've given the proper exercises to fix each one
Very helpful, thank you. I played metal drums until my mid 30s. Took a break, and when i tried again at 40 yrs old it was GONE. And i mean 100% gone. Im in the process of rebuilding my double and currently im experiencing the fast cat problem. Its those medium tempo ranges that are giving me trouble. Im going to try your tricks to fix it. But understanding the problem is half the trouble, and thats where your video helped me most. 👍
Jake I’m in the exact same situation. I was a teen drummer and started again in my 40’s. After seeing these I noticed I was always playing wrong as a youth, tensing and with no control. Also, I wasn’t even able to play past 120bpm because I played with my whole leg otherwise. Now I’m starting slow, with zero memory from my old days. I notice my legs want to find old habits cheating w tensing and I stop immediately, and slow down again. I currently suck at 90-95 bpm with control and just keep hammering trying another few bpm each day. Same with double strokes. I understand your pain.
Hi Marthyn, thanks for the video. I think I'm a fast cat but only with my right foot and I'm also a stomper. But for whatever reason my left foot (which is the weak one) have no problem, I can control it without any difficulties, still I have hard time with my right foot which should be the good one...
we have the exact same problem bro. i tend to stomp with my right foot and it even gets tired faster even though i'm just using my calves. i suspect i got this muscle memory though not deliberately from spending a lot of time driving. how's your progress and what did you do to fix it?
@@timdioko1332 I learned the proper way to play the ankle technique with my right foot by increasing the beater swing and lowering the bpm, focusing on control rather than speed. I still have more control with my left foot when it comes to short burst of double bass but when I do marathons of double bass my right foot can play for hours without getting fatigued
This video is extremely helpful. I’m a rock drummer or stomper. Not which one yet but will figure it out. I was curious to see if u ever seen a drummer who uses his bass drum to keep timing during fills. Using it just like a hi hat would keep time. This is how I played for years. Never knew it was wrong or not common. Super weird doing fast rolls without stomping that bass drum through it
Really is inspirational to know thst you've been through this as well as your students; so many times this has happened to me that made think I am just simply not good for drums; now there is light at the end of the tunel, thanks man.
I´m a student at the DRUM TECHNIQUE ACADEMY since 3 Weeks and I learned in this short time more, than in the last years with my "old" Drum Teacher. This was the best Decision ever. Every Drummer who wants to play fast and tight (Hand & Feets) must join Marthyns Academy. Remember: Marthyn is the previous Drummer from the austrian BLACK/DEATH METAL Band BELPHEGOR! Any Questions?
Great breakdown. I've played on and off the last 20 years and am really tired of the lack of progress. Im interested in trying your online courses. Just gotta find some time between work, kids and such.
It’s crazy seeing you teach this method cuz this method helped me out and it’s crazy cuz I practice on the floor by default without even knowing that’s a way to practice 😂😂
I guess I‘ll lower my seat when playing in the pads to get that calves in shape. Yesterday I played with the tensions of springs, distance from the pedal, foot placement on the pedal & bass drum head tension. I kinda feel I got it now on the big kit as I felt no tension in the hip & used the swing as much as possible. To focus more on it I‘ll switch to the pads now.
I've developed plantar fasciitis in my left foot making it incredibly painful to stand or even walk. I attribute this to my double bass drumming, but I'm not exactly sure when, how, or why it happened.
I'm a fast cat 🐈. I also have a hard time with my left foot syncopation with my right while drumming fast so my double bass technique sounds off. Watching this video helped alot thanks
i know this is completely off topic but i find your videos to be VERY quiet, i had to turn up my volume 25% to understand what you were saying but regardless this video is very informative and useful to me, thank you!
I'm a stomper myself but I use lightweight beater (I'm blown away every time) with mid-low height for my throne. Do you think I need to lower my throne or not necessary ?💁 Ps. Excellent teaching 💅
If you are a metal drummer, right now. Triggers give a lot of possibilities regarding the technique and sound. You cannot do double strokes without them for example or it sounds weak.
Queria que você fosse brasileiro pra eu entender tudo o que você diz, entendo algumas coisas e outras eu tento aprender visualmente, você é um ótimo professor ♥
Question. When you are using the ankle technique going slow medium tempos to fast bursts.. do you lean forward and use a bit of your hipflexors or shin? Or are you still just using the calf, ankle?
Hi Marthyn. I started playing drums again after 25 years of inactivity, so I'm pretty much starting from scratch. I used to play double bass with the flat foot technique and now I'm building my way up from 100bpm. I'm also learning the ankle technique but my problem is that I can only play it at 200bmp, not above or below. At 200 It comes pretty naturally. What would you recommend at least to try to slow it down a bit? Thanks!!
You need to control the beater swing with the calf muscle. Follow marthyns tutorials and start from 140 onwards. You need to arrive to 200 from 140, that way you'll do 200 with full control and also all the other tempos below it.
@@pablogimelli3076 yeah I'm still working on it. Took me a long while to even feel the calf muscles getting involved in the whole thing. When you start feeling the calves getting activated it's easier to have a productive practice because you know you're working the right muscles.
Hi Marthyn! I use my calf muscles fairly well and i would probably fall into the "fast cat" category. The trouble is when i try to play slower tempos my upper thigh tenses up around the hip muscles and I can't maintain it for more than a few seconds. I sit fairly high on the throne and not too close to the bass drum. Could my leg muscles be damaged?
A question if I may. I am relatively new to double bass drumming. I have a Pearl Demon drive pedals. I am confused, should I set it up as a long or short board? Is there a preferred setup for heel-toe compared to ankle technique?
@MarthynJovanovic Someone who actually understands and explains the mechanics of bass drum playing? I'm interested. I play a single pedal, and my poor speed and control are holding me back even from playing some classic rock tunes (Immigrant Song for example). Would your course also work for single pedal players?
Hey Marthyn! I just wanted to ask, if you have ever experienced something I call "being overfocused" on certain part or fill (in my case triplet doublebass fill in 16 rythm now). It drives me crazy, because when I compose the part to song, it works great, but after some time, when I screw the fill time to time, I start to "overfocus" on that part every time we play the song and result is often bad. Thanks, cheers!
Roddy is definitely a stomper. He also said, you can try every technique in the world for years and years and never see any progress whatsoever because it all boils down to what body motion YOU are comfortable with, and trying to force yourself to play uncomfortably will only result in hitting barriers you'll never break through
@@lefthook4878 yess that hit me reallly hard. i literally tried swivel single stroke heel toe. ankle motion. and what not but derek's line had an impact and turns out i use exactly what he uses.
@@savitelseofficial7751 just keep practicing what is most comfortable for you, improvement comes. I tried swivel foot and heel toe, couldn't get anywhere near the speeds or control i can get as a stomper
If you tighten your spring more instead of adding weights (#drummeronabudget) will it have a similar result? Or will the tension affect the feedback of the pedal compared to adding weights?
Hey Marthyn, how would you call this problem: I either have super slow tempo or super fast, completely no mid (let's say about 160BPM 16th notes). When I try it, my legs just start to speed up by themselves. How can I live with that?
Because your mind cant controlled well your legs' muscles. Must try beat by beat, bar by bar. Start from practicing 1 beat @ 160 you said, then play 2 beats long. Then 1 bar long, Then 1,2,4,8, 16 bars etc. Practice 1 hour daily. If you can play same speed ( make legs not speeding up themselves ) , jump to 161 BPM Thats my advicing.
my bass drum technique is shit. I learned how to play drums heel down then graduated to heel up then at 14 I had an accident skateboarding that paralyzed my entire left side for about 3 weeks and it took the longest time to be able to keep a steady beat.. fast forward around 24 years later and my left side is still weaker than my right and I still havent been able to shake the heel down playing.. no matter how much I force myself to play heel up patterns I always fall back into that unconscious, comfortable habit of heel down.
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For anyone out there considering Marthyn’s courses, just do it. I bought Bass Drum Mastery a little over two years ago and it’s transformed my playing. I would still be at 125/130 BPM rather than 190/200 if not for him. Thank you Marthyn!
thanks a lot for your great feedback and congratz to your progress my friend!!
Imagine thinking that bpm is the be all end all though
I can think of worse things. Like just trolling people on YT on a Saturday morning…
@Spiffco Bot. I don’t think anyone has suggested that. This is all about pushing boundaries. As drummers, we work from day one trying to speed up our hands, but, strangely, you don’t hear the BPM argument directed at snare work. Speed is just another tool to be used when required. Even if you can, doesn’t mean you have to. BUT, if you can’t, you can’t.
I second that. Marthyn's the Yoda of double bass.
You’re right about having good days and bad days.. Thanks for the great advice
It's also about how tired you feel. If I slept badly the night before, everything is just way more difficult. Also it takes me few days to recover after a longer break from practice (let's say 2 weeks or a month).
@@dominik2327 True
I’ve been playing the drums as the rock drummer all my life. No wonder I can’t learn double bass at all. This helped me a ton man THANK YOU
This is exactly what i've been looking for. Basically every other tutorial is just "lol just practice more" I've played rock drums for the better half of 10 years, and was having problems 1 and 3 while transitioning to proper double bass and I'm happy you've given the proper exercises to fix each one
Thank you God to gave us a free teacher of extreme drumming, totally professional, totally approved.
Very helpful, thank you. I played metal drums until my mid 30s. Took a break, and when i tried again at 40 yrs old it was GONE. And i mean 100% gone. Im in the process of rebuilding my double and currently im experiencing the fast cat problem. Its those medium tempo ranges that are giving me trouble. Im going to try your tricks to fix it. But understanding the problem is half the trouble, and thats where your video helped me most. 👍
Jake I’m in the exact same situation. I was a teen drummer and started again in my 40’s. After seeing these I noticed I was always playing wrong as a youth, tensing and with no control. Also, I wasn’t even able to play past 120bpm because I played with my whole leg otherwise. Now I’m starting slow, with zero memory from my old days. I notice my legs want to find old habits cheating w tensing and I stop immediately, and slow down again. I currently suck at 90-95 bpm with control and just keep hammering trying another few bpm each day. Same with double strokes. I understand your pain.
I'm Member from Marthyns DRUM TECHNIQUE ACADEMY since 06/22 and I can highly recommend it. 🙂
This video randomly popped up in my feed and I was STOKED when I saw it was you, Marthyn!!! The best drum teacher online.
Rock Drummer here. Thanks for the video!
The first 2 minutes I’m pretty sure he was talking about me...😂
Hi Marthyn, thanks for the video. I think I'm a fast cat but only with my right foot and I'm also a stomper. But for whatever reason my left foot (which is the weak one) have no problem, I can control it without any difficulties, still I have hard time with my right foot which should be the good one...
try to spend more time just practicing with your right foot (not double bass) to get rid of those frustrations 💪
we have the exact same problem bro. i tend to stomp with my right foot and it even gets tired faster even though i'm just using my calves. i suspect i got this muscle memory though not deliberately from spending a lot of time driving. how's your progress and what did you do to fix it?
@@timdioko1332 I learned the proper way to play the ankle technique with my right foot by increasing the beater swing and lowering the bpm, focusing on control rather than speed. I still have more control with my left foot when it comes to short burst of double bass but when I do marathons of double bass my right foot can play for hours without getting fatigued
"Kavs" FTW!!! Dropping knowledge as always. Thanks
man, you point where I'm struggling sins 30 years, I'm definitely a rock drummer, thanks for these advices !
Very informative. I'm just starting my double pedal journey and these videos help a lot
This video is extremely helpful. I’m a rock drummer or stomper. Not which one yet but will figure it out. I was curious to see if u ever seen a drummer who uses his bass drum to keep timing during fills. Using it just like a hi hat would keep time. This is how I played for years. Never knew it was wrong or not common. Super weird doing fast rolls without stomping that bass drum through it
Really is inspirational to know thst you've been through this as well as your students; so many times this has happened to me that made think I am just simply not good for drums; now there is light at the end of the tunel, thanks man.
Very eye opening video.. i am the rock drummer, i always thought heel up was the best way to play... i will be joining this academy.
GREAT VIDEO! Thank you Marthyn!
Looks like I'm a "rock drummer" RIP, although my calfs aren't sore generally, it's more my adductors and thighs that get sore
Rip haha
Same here
have u had improvements?
Same issue for me. Very frustrating
I´m a student at the DRUM TECHNIQUE ACADEMY since 3 Weeks and I learned in this short time more, than in the last years with my "old" Drum Teacher. This was the best Decision ever. Every Drummer who wants to play fast and tight (Hand & Feets) must join Marthyns Academy. Remember: Marthyn is the previous Drummer from the austrian BLACK/DEATH METAL Band BELPHEGOR! Any Questions?
I feel personally attacked by these three archetypes. Great explanation video though - really, this helps a ton speaking as a drummer of 28 years.
Great breakdown. I've played on and off the last 20 years and am really tired of the lack of progress. Im interested in trying your online courses. Just gotta find some time between work, kids and such.
Thanks Marthyn, i've learned so much with you!
You've just earned another subscriber. Thanks for the tips :)
Heaps informative & helpful
Thanks mate 🤘🏻
Great tips!!! Thanks a lot🤘
Pure gold!
Thanks
Your are a great teacher! Keep it up man!
This is quality content! I feel like I need to try them all
It’s crazy seeing you teach this method cuz this method helped me out and it’s crazy cuz I practice on the floor by default without even knowing that’s a way to practice 😂😂
Tighten your bass head too! Works for me.
I guess I‘ll lower my seat when playing in the pads to get that calves in shape. Yesterday I played with the tensions of springs, distance from the pedal, foot placement on the pedal & bass drum head tension. I kinda feel I got it now on the big kit as I felt no tension in the hip & used the swing as much as possible. To focus more on it I‘ll switch to the pads now.
I've developed plantar fasciitis in my left foot making it incredibly painful to stand or even walk. I attribute this to my double bass drumming, but I'm not exactly sure when, how, or why it happened.
Thanks Bud!!!
Amazing teaching.
Great video
Thank you for the valuable lesson :D
I'm definitely a stomper. My question is: How do I know when I should switch from flat foot technique to ankle technique at lower tempo's?
I'm a fast cat 🐈. I also have a hard time with my left foot syncopation with my right while drumming fast so my double bass technique sounds off. Watching this video helped alot thanks
Had the same "aha" moment big issue with 100 - 130 bpm, but able to play higher pretty solid. I will try those weights :)
Thank you so much for your advice🔥🤝
Brilliant vulgarization, love it!!
intro track is gas
Very Helpful... Thanks...
Martyn is the man
thanks, very instructive
Excellent advice!
thank you 🙏
Thank you soo much I never knew I was a fast cat
I would love to get better at double bass drumming. What videos can I buy ?
i know this is completely off topic but i find your videos to be VERY quiet, i had to turn up my volume 25% to understand what you were saying
but regardless this video is very informative and useful to me, thank you!
Must be something on your end. Seems like a normal volume to me
I'm a stomper myself but I use lightweight beater (I'm blown away every time) with mid-low height for my throne. Do you think I need to lower my throne or not necessary ?💁 Ps. Excellent teaching 💅
Thanks man you are ace
im this guy which was able to Play from slow up to 220.. next days felt like beginner...Same to Hand...
Great video! At what point do you think a drummer should invest in a trigger setup?
If you are a metal drummer, right now. Triggers give a lot of possibilities regarding the technique and sound. You cannot do double strokes without them for example or it sounds weak.
Thank you sir!
I like your NB shoes! What model is that?
Those are 574s
How do drummers like Jay weinberg keep their beater resting on the bass drum without using constant calf flexion while sittng above 90 at the knee?
Extra lekcija 😉 Odakle si?
Queria que você fosse brasileiro pra eu entender tudo o que você diz, entendo algumas coisas e outras eu tento aprender visualmente, você é um ótimo professor ♥
Oi Rodrigo podes acionar as legendas em português 😉 Abraço.
Question. When you are using the ankle technique going slow medium tempos to fast bursts.. do you lean forward and use a bit of your hipflexors or shin? Or are you still just using the calf, ankle?
Sorry I haven’t subbed sooner, I’ve watched so many of ur videos :D
Excellent video. I am a mix of all three I feel lol
Very confused.... goes against all other drum tutorials of top drummers....
But will give it a try (except for the low seating)
thank you!
Is your kit a hybrid? Looks like everything is electronic except the kick drums.
Hi Marthyn. I started playing drums again after 25 years of inactivity, so I'm pretty much starting from scratch. I used to play double bass with the flat foot technique and now I'm building my way up from 100bpm. I'm also learning the ankle technique but my problem is that I can only play it at 200bmp, not above or below. At 200 It comes pretty naturally. What would you recommend at least to try to slow it down a bit? Thanks!!
You need to control the beater swing with the calf muscle. Follow marthyns tutorials and start from 140 onwards. You need to arrive to 200 from 140, that way you'll do 200 with full control and also all the other tempos below it.
@@king-manu2758 yup, been working on that for the past 4 months. It's not easy but definitely the way to go. Thanks!
@@pablogimelli3076 yeah I'm still working on it. Took me a long while to even feel the calf muscles getting involved in the whole thing. When you start feeling the calves getting activated it's easier to have a productive practice because you know you're working the right muscles.
Hi Marthyn! I use my calf muscles fairly well and i would probably fall into the "fast cat" category. The trouble is when i try to play slower tempos my upper thigh tenses up around the hip muscles and I can't maintain it for more than a few seconds. I sit fairly high on the throne and not too close to the bass drum. Could my leg muscles be damaged?
A question if I may. I am relatively new to double bass drumming. I have a Pearl Demon drive pedals. I am confused, should I set it up as a long or short board? Is there a preferred setup for heel-toe compared to ankle technique?
Hey man i would love to know if you do drum lessons? Im from New Zealand, Auckland.
@MarthynJovanovic Someone who actually understands and explains the mechanics of bass drum playing? I'm interested. I play a single pedal, and my poor speed and control are holding me back even from playing some classic rock tunes (Immigrant Song for example). Would your course also work for single pedal players?
Beater weights basically make you rely on the pedal. So much more of an efficient way of playing. Less effort=longevity
I am a speedy gato. This is good advice.
How can I make my bass louder every time I play theres a time where my bass sound low volume
Hey Marthyn! I just wanted to ask, if you have ever experienced something I call "being overfocused" on certain part or fill (in my case triplet doublebass fill in 16 rythm now). It drives me crazy, because when I compose the part to song, it works great, but after some time, when I screw the fill time to time, I start to "overfocus" on that part every time we play the song and result is often bad. Thanks, cheers!
isnt derek roddy a stomper i use flat foot and can play up till 210 bpm
Roddy is definitely a stomper. He also said, you can try every technique in the world for years and years and never see any progress whatsoever because it all boils down to what body motion YOU are comfortable with, and trying to force yourself to play uncomfortably will only result in hitting barriers you'll never break through
@@lefthook4878 yess that hit me reallly hard. i literally tried swivel single stroke heel toe. ankle motion. and what not but derek's line had an impact and turns out i use exactly what he uses.
@@savitelseofficial7751 just keep practicing what is most comfortable for you, improvement comes. I tried swivel foot and heel toe, couldn't get anywhere near the speeds or control i can get as a stomper
I have foot freeze. I can play a pattern in succession but when I try to play the same pattern once in the middle of a loop... my foot freezes.
I learn differently i need one on one sessions man it would be expensive to get it from him lol, i need someone to tell me what im doing wrong
If you tighten your spring more instead of adding weights (#drummeronabudget) will it have a similar result? Or will the tension affect the feedback of the pedal compared to adding weights?
When did you upgrade to the Pearl Mimic Pro?
I have a problem when i try to go fast may leg/foot just like stops it’s weird thing to explain can any one help
these are massive BD's ! Cheers
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I been trying to play like that
Hey Marthyn, how would you call this problem: I either have super slow tempo or super fast, completely no mid (let's say about 160BPM 16th notes). When I try it, my legs just start to speed up by themselves. How can I live with that?
Because your mind cant controlled well your legs' muscles.
Must try beat by beat, bar by bar.
Start from practicing 1 beat @ 160 you said, then play 2 beats long.
Then 1 bar long,
Then 1,2,4,8, 16 bars etc.
Practice 1 hour daily.
If you can play same speed ( make legs not speeding up themselves )
, jump to 161 BPM
Thats my advicing.
my bass drum technique is shit. I learned how to play drums heel down then graduated to heel up then at 14 I had an accident skateboarding that paralyzed my entire left side for about 3 weeks and it took the longest time to be able to keep a steady beat.. fast forward around 24 years later and my left side is still weaker than my right and I still havent been able to shake the heel down playing.. no matter how much I force myself to play heel up patterns I always fall back into that unconscious, comfortable habit of heel down.
Thx
🙏👍
unfortunately beater weights are too expensive for me rn
Dad shoe gang! Whoop whoop
Best contest
I think I’m a rock stomper fast cat, all in one
Didn't you post a similar video to this about a year (maybe more) ago??
The rockdrummer.......like you looked in the camera and adressed me........
Yeah
I just don't understand how I'm supposed to move my leg with only my calves
I'm 3 out of 3 boys! Did I win?
crap i always sit low
I'm #4: The slow cat.
Now I know why Gene Hoglan wears ankle weights.
I think I’m a mixture of 2 of these hahaha fuck my life
Where you come from?? Do you speak Serbian??