Love this so much, I just wish it had a cut out on the top cheeseplate to make the hot shoe accessible for accessories, that way you get XLR sound in. This means removing the small rig top piece and making the Cineback adaptable.
@@jeremysolterbeck6713 any recomendations of XLR options that might work with a build like this? Looking to buy this for my FX3 but would also still like access to XLR inputs.
Super easy fix, get a cheese palte that is shorter and screw on 2 cheese bars from the bigger plate to the 2 top screwholes on the fx 3. You just use longer screws and put the cheese rods on top of the handle screwholes.
@@MotivateBelieveAchievewell sincs i do not have this configuration i cannot show you but it is super easy you kinda make a U shape with 2 cheeserods And a shoerter plate And attach Rods to the the handle screws with longer screws.
@@poti732Is that ”safe” tho? From what I heard that handle is pretty plasticy and might not be made for all this extra weight, also depending on lens weight and some other factors, that might not be ideal placement for a handle right above the camera
@@CarlBergsdorf literally the same weight as the normal top cheese plate that you see in the video. If it can hold the cineback it can hold it with a different plate. Also iv used the handle and we had rod mounts, qr plates , vazen anamorphic ( which is very robust) and a smallrig V mount . it was holding it easily. Would grab it by the top handle ONLY . I was always using a side grip too but iv never had problems with that.
Hi Caleb, Just worked with the Sony FX3 Firmware 4 to discover a major change has occurred since FW 3. If a dummy battery adapter is used the FX3 monitor will display an error message. As I understand Sony did this deliberately as the Sony batteries intelligently communicate to the camera and will reduce the risk of a corrupted file should the battery die during recording. We decided to power the camera via the USB input instead.
Yes. I have the same issue currently. My Vmount power and dummy cable front Kondor blue give me the same message. They still work, I just can’t see the battery percentage or anything
This looks great! One thing I would change is using the nato rail pins as locating pins so you can get the same alignment every time, and make the cage that much more solid on the camera. That or having the mounting screws fixed rather than adjustable, so that it's a little more rugged.
Love this! If I can think of an improvement it would just one thing... replacing the power switch with a LED backlitlit switch with a flip cover (to avoid any accidental depress).
Just received mine - very impressed with quality of item and speed of shipping (Chicago to Oxford, UK in a few days!). That said, with shipping and import fees it ended up being a very expensive piece of kit. Looking forward to using it in anger on a client project this week.
If you can solder, I use xt60 connectors that fit in dtap ports but will allow you to solder on the cable at any angle you want. They are WAY cheaper too. That way all the cables can route cleanly. Just make sure you keep your + and - straight
I wonder if we can use spacers and make it taller. Install an arca swiss quick release baseplate on top of the cheese plate. Since the fx3 cage is arca compatible. This rig is really cool but hard to remount to a gimbal etc.
I already saw some comments about the issues with dummy batteries, 2 pin lemo and 3 pin fisher, sdi, battery plates, baseplate compatibility and such. I think the genius part of this rig is the screen holder. As well as the fixes I listed above, an option for a usb-c pd on the left side to plug into camera would be smart, maybe usb-c on the right side as well for prosumer gear that takes that. If it were possible to have user swappable power ports I think that would be amazing! Choose between lemo, dtap, and usb…etc. Also, a way to use “pass through power” like you see on cages for Alexa and red, where you can use XLR or other ports to power the cage without a battery. Useful for gimbal work and more. Other steps beyond that would be taking a page out of Tilta’s book with the CFE to SSD adapter that allows installation of NVME SSDs or USBC SSDs to use as media (and an included space in the rig to “click” it into). There’s a product by a company called Zitay that is a SSD enclosure to a dummy CFE-A card, something like that incorporated into a FX3 cage could work if incorporated in a good way
waiting to buy an R5C version. great job. how this was overlooked by the major companies for this long is beyond me. a rectangular prism housing is awesome.
This looks fantastic!! Question, why arent the D-tap connectors flipped upside down so the cables dont stick backwards? Also is it possible to download the STL seperately which was also possible with the CineDock SSD mount?
This is really nice work, but I'm not sure about the emphasis on Dtap. I've been using USB-C PD to power camera and monitor (and charging wireless audio receiver when needed) and it's working really well-and without the need for a potentially problematic dummy battery. As others have pointed out, optional use of the XLR top handle is also important to a lot of us.
It looks fantastic, really does, I've been waiting for this one, but I have 2 questions 1) Could we disassemble the DTAP ports and rotate them so that the DTaps "base" cable doesn't bend like that ? 4:54 I'm afraid the cable life will be shortened by that bend. 2) sadly I bought the Tilta V2 cage for my FX30 since it came out, is there a way to know how much clearance there is on the CineBack to know if my cage will fit ? I really don't want to buy another cage for the cineback but I do really want it. thanks for this Caleb, again and again, coming out with fantastic stuff!
Thanks Andy! The D-Taps aren't able to rotate but even if they did, the cable would then go right into your hand when holding the camera grip. I'll look into a way to have a cable clip or something to keep the cable from kinking too much but we've beat these up pretty good and have had no issues yet! Oh and as for the Tilta cage, we may make an adapter, but I can't make any promises.
@@camerafoundry that would be fantastic really, to be able to use my tilta cage and have it as compact as with the smallrig (sort of), oh and about the Dtaps, what I meant by rotating it, having it on the same right side but "upside down" so the DTap connection still is on the right side but the cable going towards the camera body, protruding on top of the vanity plate, I feel that would be a "Solution" or no ?
@@camerafoundry When it comes to the FX3/FX30, I really like the Tilta cage and accessories more than Smallrig's offering. I will gladly wait for an adapter so I will keep my finger's crossed.
Hey I have been trying to purchase the cineback for my fx30 for the past two weeks and have been up at 6am eastern but the ordering page is never changes from out of stock. Is there a certain way I have to order it or from a specific place? It's 7:05am est which is 11am GMT -4 when the status page states it would be available.
The deal breaker is rendering the incredible 4 audio input top handle useless. Please make a top plate modification that would allow the data hot shoe to be accesible!
It's great that such a product exists, thanks for making it, however it seems impossible to get one which sucks... Ill try on march 20th to get my hands on one but if that doesn't work I am going to have to move on...
This is fine and everything. But basically no audio inputs since the 3.5mm jack is noisy etc. How I wish you could just have a cable from the hot shoe to xlr inputs.
This would be perfect if you didn't have to gut the battery slot and implement a dummy battery. Also, as nice as this is, I go and back and forth on the actual utility of it. At this point you might as well just get an FX6 with internal NDs but then again you can strip this down and have a smaller more low-profile camera so essentially the best of both worlds.
Is there any hope for a Fuji Cineback? Would love a universal/shim-able cineback to use on Xt3/Xh1 and the shims would give you the height to adapt to any camera.
The concept is interesting, but for it to be truly "Cine" theres a few things you need to re-think about the product. Firsly you need more varied power outputs, such as 2pin lemo and 3pin Fischer. Secondly, you need more 3/8" threads than 1/4 20s, and they need to have Arri locating pins. This includes 3/8 threads on the side of the plate, so it's going to need to be taller. For the Base plate system, you need to think how it's going to line up with industry standard rod heights, and what plates match up to yours to take the camera to 15mm LWS height (going to studio height is easy once there). A Camera base plate isn't about just cheese plating the bottom. It would also be great if the batter plate is easily user swappable between V and Gold mounts (maybe it is already, if you could clarify that?) Lastly, and this is more of a bonus really, it would be really great if you could have an HDMI to SDI converter/splitter integrated into the back, and have SDI 2-4 SDI outputs coming out adjacent to your power outputs. Like I siad I find the concept for this very interesting. Your method of protecting the screen is great, and it's also great how you built the camera backwards, keeping it short and the center of mass low, and helping to offset the weight of the lenses and anything else you put on them. Your built in cable management space is also really neat and handy :)
It's ok, but I wanna use original top handle. And Type-C cable for power is better for powering this camera, because in power loss case if you use dummy battery you can loose your last shot!
This is soooo dope!! I was planning to get it and then i had seen the price 😭 not that it’s not worth it because the build quality looks excellent.. just not in the budget right now
So, Can you use the 3278 half cage? It came with the sam nato rail. It just doesn't have the right metal support, but looks like the mounting points are top and bottom. Yes?
So Basically.... • D-tap Male to 4 Port Female Splitter Power Cable (X1) - $19.99 • SmallRig Mini V Mount Battery Plate, V-Lock Mount Battery Plate (X1) - $22.90 • SmallRig Multi Functional Cheese Plate with 1/4 3/ (X2) - $44.92 • DaierTek Mini Rocker Switch 12V 20A T85 2 Pin SPST Small ON Off Switch 120V... (X1) - $7.99 And some sort of custom box to fit everything together... Am I close? Total = $94.00 Your product = $300.00
So sexy, so clean. Would love to see a version of this that doesn't block the hot shoe mount so we could still use Sony's awesome mics (as well as the FX3/30 top handle with audio).
I have the small rig half cage for the FX3 (With the 15mm rod hole atop) will this cage work? it seems really similar to the one pictured in the video.
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Love this so much, I just wish it had a cut out on the top cheeseplate to make the hot shoe accessible for accessories, that way you get XLR sound in. This means removing the small rig top piece and making the Cineback adaptable.
There are other XLR inputs besides the Sony one jussayin
@@jeremysolterbeck6713 any recomendations of XLR options that might work with a build like this? Looking to buy this for my FX3 but would also still like access to XLR inputs.
@@georgegaza5319zoom f3. Incredible device
Love it but really wish there was a way to use the FX3 top handle. Now that I have XLR input I don't want to go back!
Super easy fix, get a cheese palte that is shorter and screw on 2 cheese bars from the bigger plate to the 2 top screwholes on the fx 3. You just use longer screws and put the cheese rods on top of the handle screwholes.
@@poti732We need a video on this… lol.
@@MotivateBelieveAchievewell sincs i do not have this configuration i cannot show you but it is super easy you kinda make a U shape with 2 cheeserods And a shoerter plate And attach Rods to the the handle screws with longer screws.
@@poti732Is that ”safe” tho? From what I heard that handle is pretty plasticy and might not be made for all this extra weight, also depending on lens weight and some other factors, that might not be ideal placement for a handle right above the camera
@@CarlBergsdorf literally the same weight as the normal top cheese plate that you see in the video. If it can hold the cineback it can hold it with a different plate. Also iv used the handle and we had rod mounts, qr plates , vazen anamorphic ( which is very robust) and a smallrig V mount . it was holding it easily. Would grab it by the top handle ONLY . I was always using a side grip too but iv never had problems with that.
Hi Caleb, Just worked with the Sony FX3 Firmware 4 to discover a major change has occurred since FW 3. If a dummy battery adapter is used the FX3 monitor will display an error message. As I understand Sony did this deliberately as the Sony batteries intelligently communicate to the camera and will reduce the risk of a corrupted file should the battery die during recording. We decided to power the camera via the USB input instead.
Yes. I have the same issue currently. My Vmount power and dummy cable front Kondor blue give me the same message. They still work, I just can’t see the battery percentage or anything
I love this concept, I just wish it could still incorporate the XLR top handle. This setup is only good when you have an external audio shoot.
Their is now a version with XLR top handle support.
@@thenonadventure checked the website, not seeing it
This looks great! One thing I would change is using the nato rail pins as locating pins so you can get the same alignment every time, and make the cage that much more solid on the camera. That or having the mounting screws fixed rather than adjustable, so that it's a little more rugged.
Love this!
If I can think of an improvement it would just one thing...
replacing the power switch with a LED backlitlit switch with a flip cover (to avoid any accidental depress).
Just received mine - very impressed with quality of item and speed of shipping (Chicago to Oxford, UK in a few days!). That said, with shipping and import fees it ended up being a very expensive piece of kit. Looking forward to using it in anger on a client project this week.
If you can solder, I use xt60 connectors that fit in dtap ports but will allow you to solder on the cable at any angle you want. They are WAY cheaper too. That way all the cables can route cleanly. Just make sure you keep your + and - straight
Stoked. Inspired. Impressed. Well done, CP. SO MUCH respect for your work, brain, ingenuity.
Bang up job here. I hope I get in with the 50.
Any ideas to try and incorporate the xlr top handle? Maybe a gap like on the fs5/fs7 top plate
Big problem though. How do you get the camera out about using a screw. I love the idea. I just thinking needs to work.
I wonder if we can use spacers and make it taller. Install an arca swiss quick release baseplate on top of the cheese plate. Since the fx3 cage is arca compatible.
This rig is really cool but hard to remount to a gimbal etc.
I already saw some comments about the issues with dummy batteries, 2 pin lemo and 3 pin fisher, sdi, battery plates, baseplate compatibility and such.
I think the genius part of this rig is the screen holder.
As well as the fixes I listed above, an option for a usb-c pd on the left side to plug into camera would be smart, maybe usb-c on the right side as well for prosumer gear that takes that.
If it were possible to have user swappable power ports I think that would be amazing! Choose between lemo, dtap, and usb…etc.
Also, a way to use “pass through power” like you see on cages for Alexa and red, where you can use XLR or other ports to power the cage without a battery. Useful for gimbal work and more.
Other steps beyond that would be taking a page out of Tilta’s book with the CFE to SSD adapter that allows installation of NVME SSDs or USBC SSDs to use as media (and an included space in the rig to “click” it into).
There’s a product by a company called Zitay that is a SSD enclosure to a dummy CFE-A card, something like that incorporated into a FX3 cage could work if incorporated in a good way
All great suggestions thanks Taylor!
Can’t wait to purchase this once more are in stock. Great looking design!
waiting to buy an R5C version. great job. how this was overlooked by the major companies for this long is beyond me. a rectangular prism housing is awesome.
Wanna know if this works with tilta cage instead? I don't really want to buy another cage just to fit this 😅
Just purchased mine for December delivery! Great job
This looks fantastic!!
Question, why arent the D-tap connectors flipped upside down so the cables dont stick backwards?
Also is it possible to download the STL seperately which was also possible with the CineDock SSD mount?
If the cables face the camera they'd hit your hand :-(
I would want one of this for the Blackmagic Cameras
Caleb has a pretty dope rig setup for the bmpcc, it's just not as neat as this one. th-cam.com/video/Wmdyej5MZfg/w-d-xo.html
Have you considered flipping the 4-Dtap the other way? This would prevent binding on the single Dtap.
Or maybe another dedicated Dtap inside more, since power is required… away from your hand placement.
Cinema Footprint also a great way to look like a pro!
Hey Caleb! What’s up bro! I would really like you to do this for the Tilta cage, is that possible?
Do you plan making one for the Fujifilm XH2s I will literlay hold on ring my camera to wait for it
Would love to if we can keep up!
Love this. great work with this. any great options for the sound? Xlr or so?
check out the rigidpro
Any updates on when these will be back in stock? I don't want to miss the next order window.
a company called rigid pro created virtually the same thing. If you don't wanna wait for cineback, they have theirs in stock.
@@conner_productions thanks! I’m going to check them out now.
This is the best rig for FX3/FX30!
Does this work with the V1 Tilta cage?
DTap cable connecter points in the wrong direction but nice little rig.
Pretty dope product. XS20 user here. Would love to have a rig like this. Do you guys plan on building this rig solely based on small rig cages?
this is fantastic. I dreamed of something like this. This body factor is so much better :D thank you ! Is there any possibly to use XLR Top handle?
This is really nice work, but I'm not sure about the emphasis on Dtap. I've been using USB-C PD to power camera and monitor (and charging wireless audio receiver when needed) and it's working really well-and without the need for a potentially problematic dummy battery. As others have pointed out, optional use of the XLR top handle is also important to a lot of us.
The website now includes a version with support for the XLR top handle.
Waiting for the lumix s5ii/X version! Wow what a clean design
A simple and effective way to intimidate and charge my clients more 😁😁😁😁
When will you have some more in.
Is there gonna be a CineBack for the Lumix S5iix??😢 if so,when?
Love it ! But i need to use my own battery plate as i use mainly usb c to ucb cables for my rig
Hello, can this be used with other cameras, keeping in mind the dimensions of the camera to fit? Thanks
It looks fantastic, really does, I've been waiting for this one, but I have 2 questions
1) Could we disassemble the DTAP ports and rotate them so that the DTaps "base" cable doesn't bend like that ? 4:54 I'm afraid the cable life will be shortened by that bend.
2) sadly I bought the Tilta V2 cage for my FX30 since it came out, is there a way to know how much clearance there is on the CineBack to know if my cage will fit ? I really don't want to buy another cage for the cineback but I do really want it.
thanks for this Caleb, again and again, coming out with fantastic stuff!
Thanks Andy! The D-Taps aren't able to rotate but even if they did, the cable would then go right into your hand when holding the camera grip. I'll look into a way to have a cable clip or something to keep the cable from kinking too much but we've beat these up pretty good and have had no issues yet!
Oh and as for the Tilta cage, we may make an adapter, but I can't make any promises.
@@camerafoundry that would be fantastic really, to be able to use my tilta cage and have it as compact as with the smallrig (sort of), oh and about the Dtaps, what I meant by rotating it, having it on the same right side but "upside down" so the DTap connection still is on the right side but the cable going towards the camera body, protruding on top of the vanity plate, I feel that would be a "Solution" or no ?
2nd vote for the Title cage compatibility!!
@@camerafoundry When it comes to the FX3/FX30, I really like the Tilta cage and accessories more than Smallrig's offering.
I will gladly wait for an adapter so I will keep my finger's crossed.
I love the design! Would this fit the smallrig 3277? If not, will there be an option or an alternative for it at some point?
When is this going to be back in stock?
this is the best rig i've ever seen!
When will the next shipment be? I want one of these bad boys.
You get the battery with this??
Is there a CineBack for Sigma FP in the works?
Excited to see something like this for the Canon R5C!
This is an incredible product for its price point!
Caleb, is it possibe to use this WITHOUT the dummy battery? I love this design!
Yep! Just slap your own battery in there and go D-Tap to USB-C!
Hey I have been trying to purchase the cineback for my fx30 for the past two weeks and have been up at 6am eastern but the ordering page is never changes from out of stock. Is there a certain way I have to order it or from a specific place? It's 7:05am est which is 11am GMT -4 when the status page states it would be available.
The deal breaker is rendering the incredible 4 audio input top handle useless. Please make a top plate modification that would allow the data hot shoe to be accesible!
Is there any way to add the top handle on it ?
@@nowkirkwon I don’t think so. The hot shoe is completely blocked off.
@@timdanyo898 I asked for a refund. Without the top handle, there is no point.
We are working on an accessory that works with the handle!
It's great that such a product exists, thanks for making it, however it seems impossible to get one which sucks... Ill try on march 20th to get my hands on one but if that doesn't work I am going to have to move on...
try the rigidpro that's what many of us have
This is fine and everything. But basically no audio inputs since the 3.5mm jack is noisy etc. How I wish you could just have a cable from the hot shoe to xlr inputs.
Thank you, to build for my camera, what top/bottom plate you are using?
The same is not made for the Panasonic GH6? well thank you
Will you do one for the BMPCC 6K Pro? This would complete our rig!
Can it fit on Sony ZV-E10?
I love the setup ❤❤❤❤
This would be perfect if you didn't have to gut the battery slot and implement a dummy battery. Also, as nice as this is, I go and back and forth on the actual utility of it. At this point you might as well just get an FX6 with internal NDs but then again you can strip this down and have a smaller more low-profile camera so essentially the best of both worlds.
Is there any hope for a Fuji Cineback? Would love a universal/shim-able cineback to use on Xt3/Xh1 and the shims would give you the height to adapt to any camera.
The concept is interesting, but for it to be truly "Cine" theres a few things you need to re-think about the product.
Firsly you need more varied power outputs, such as 2pin lemo and 3pin Fischer.
Secondly, you need more 3/8" threads than 1/4 20s, and they need to have Arri locating pins. This includes 3/8 threads on the side of the plate, so it's going to need to be taller.
For the Base plate system, you need to think how it's going to line up with industry standard rod heights, and what plates match up to yours to take the camera to 15mm LWS height (going to studio height is easy once there). A Camera base plate isn't about just cheese plating the bottom.
It would also be great if the batter plate is easily user swappable between V and Gold mounts (maybe it is already, if you could clarify that?)
Lastly, and this is more of a bonus really, it would be really great if you could have an HDMI to SDI converter/splitter integrated into the back, and have SDI 2-4 SDI outputs coming out adjacent to your power outputs.
Like I siad I find the concept for this very interesting. Your method of protecting the screen is great, and it's also great how you built the camera backwards, keeping it short and the center of mass low, and helping to offset the weight of the lenses and anything else you put on them. Your built in cable management space is also really neat and handy :)
It's ok, but I wanna use original top handle. And Type-C cable for power is better for powering this camera, because in power loss case if you use dummy battery you can loose your last shot!
You can buy a Dtap to USBC cable.
Great camera rig! I'd like to have something like this for my Lumix GH5...
can this set up be put to Gimbal Rs 3 and Rs3 Pro?
Can a DJI ronin 4s or others hold them?
Just got one 🔥
This is soooo dope!! I was planning to get it and then i had seen the price 😭 not that it’s not worth it because the build quality looks excellent.. just not in the budget right now
If you dont want to use a dummy battery can we just use some adapter DTAP to USB-C to power the Sony Battery?
Or you wouldnt recommend that?
I"m down if there is models for older cam like A6400 series or A7iii
Great job man! Wonderful product for sure!!!
Been waiting for this! Christmas came early this year :D
So, Can you use the 3278 half cage? It came with the sam nato rail. It just doesn't have the right metal support, but looks like the mounting points are top and bottom. Yes?
This is ingenious
How much does the Cineback for FX3 with top handle weigh?
Is there a Ninja v to dtap power?
This is awesome! But there's no way this is worth $300. I hope the price gets more reasonable after these initial preorder batches
I agree!
wait till you hold it in your hand .. its weighty and greaty ! just got mine and Ive made a mess already
So Basically....
• D-tap Male to 4 Port Female Splitter Power Cable (X1) - $19.99
• SmallRig Mini V Mount Battery Plate, V-Lock Mount Battery Plate (X1) - $22.90
• SmallRig Multi Functional Cheese Plate with 1/4 3/ (X2) - $44.92
• DaierTek Mini Rocker Switch 12V 20A T85 2 Pin SPST Small ON Off Switch 120V... (X1)
- $7.99
And some sort of custom box to fit everything together... Am I close?
Total = $94.00
Your product = $300.00
He 3D prints the structure inside, and the cost must be made with the purpose also, I think the price is fair
With our custom fitted parts and assembly yeah! Could totally DIY this own your own.
This is so great
I so wish there's something like this for Sony A7SIII 😢
My smallhd 502B isnt turning on with the switch via dtap to dummy
Wtb a lens/metabones support ?
Where's that links
Hallo Dear, I've appreciated this video so much and now could you make another similar video about the GH5? Thank a lot
Do you have the 3D Project for sale?
Battery connected directly is crazy, if you disconnect it the file corrupts
Could use a sony battery then go D-Tap to USB-C!
@@camerafoundry What D-Tap to USB-C cable could you use? I can't seem to find one that seems trustworthy
When will the cineback be back in stock?
google rigidpro always in stock and just as good if not better
How much does the final rig (that you show in the video) weigh? I can mount up to 10lbs. on my DJI RS 3 Pro.
Truly genius
The dtap scares me as you can easily hook it off something and possibly fry your FX3.
Is the Cineback compatible with the Kondor Blue FX3(0) cage as well?
So sexy, so clean. Would love to see a version of this that doesn't block the hot shoe mount so we could still use Sony's awesome mics (as well as the FX3/30 top handle with audio).
Tally light on the back is covered too
Is it possible to use this with an A7SIII as well?
Will you also sell the STL model files?
What would the correct mic back be for the Deity Theos? Really want to mount it with my D3 pro
we need another batch asap 😢 i would pay double for this
no need to pay double. google rigidpro
Very well done Video
I would love something like this for the a7s3
I have the small rig half cage for the FX3 (With the 15mm rod hole atop) will this cage work? it seems really similar to the one pictured in the video.
Excellent ! Thanks You
it's great but is there any option for the audio handle?
it covers that whole area up sadly.
google rigid pro for a top handle version
does this work with a falcam rig setup?
Do you ship to Mexico?
Nice rig.
Dope!
what about thw overheat