I struggle with rose with low stability. Went through all my roses and found slideshot/snapshot to be perfect for me, 70 range 69 stability, super snappy
i used BD so much in year one it is still my single most used weapon all these years later lol, super happy they brought it back with a new flavor, i absolute love it. My go to roll is just rapid hit/explosive, very similar to the OG, simple and straightforward but so, so good for everything.
Better devils has been my favorite since day one. They screwed up when it was reawakened on forsaken. Now, they remodeled it and made it look like new.
I like it in comparison to rose because of rapid hit kill clip, but my Spare Rations also does that and arguably just as well. Better Devils has a weird kick to it but once I got the hang of it on console it just felt so easy to use which I enjoy. It and Spare Rations are essentially my standby until I can get a god-roll Rose
I played with alot of rolls and I've come to the conclusion that perpetual motion is absolutely necessary to shore up its stats and then that leaves you open to run opening shot, explosive payload or my personal favorite zen moment since it gives 5 stability when enhanced. My roll is extended/fullbore, accurized, perpetual, zen, range mw and the only other roll that would remotely intrigue me would be opening shot with that same set up.
Imagine that! 100's of Better Devils that AREN'T the same roll!? We've come full circle. Better Devils "Now In Green!" I'm not a fan of the weapon model, but it's always been a great feeling gun! Literally the right perks away from being a meta pick.
Had one guy in trials with an explosive round scout spamming shots to keep my team of 3 snipers flinched the whole time where hitting shots was impossible…. It was a first time for me to come across someone with that idea. It worked because I missed every snipe after he switched to it where before I hit 5 snipes for 3 match wins and we ended up losing 3-5…. Craziest chess game ever. I should have switched but my ego 😂
I managed to get a really nice roll with rapid hit opening shot, accurized, hammer forged and a handling MW, it's nice to just mess around in 6v6 but the issue is it's handling is mid at best
I think theres more issues than that. We have stat monster like, fatebringer, eyasluna, ace of spade, palindrome, exalted truth, hawkmoon, kept confidence, rose, lunas howl, midnight coup stats low buuuut aim assist is insane, of course austringer. Better Devils is a great pve gun but idk about pvp. Just soooo many options instead of this gun. Unless you love the model.
@@jamaledwards8118 Most of those guns also mid or couldn't get them. A.e ace good but recoil pattern with kick just baf af, palindrome you can't get and without rf it kinda meh, exalted you also can't get(usual one just mid), kept confidence feels worst than better, midnight just even worse than mid, luna in energy slot and it precision... Surprisingly in reality Better Devils feels much better than indicated in the stats.
@@Daemonic6 ......my man said Luna howl is a precision gun. Better devil's feel better than kept confidence. Honestly the best thing is to say "I love this gun regardless" My favorite gun is the dire promise but I'm trying to sell a quarter bottle of water at full price. There's crap ton of hand cannons better than dire promise. Just like there's a crap ton of guns better than better.
@@jamaledwards8118 Sure you playing with gun if it fits in parameters: 1) You like it. 2) It can compete. 3) You play well with it. For me right now only 4 guns which have all of it: Hawkmoon, Fatebringer, Better Devils, Eyasluna(but now i play with it much less). So everyone has their favorites.
@@Daemonic6 see the thing is the guns I mentioned are all capable and viable vs the better devil. You don't have to sacrifice stats for range. The majority of the guns I mentioned can hit a threshold of 60 range and stability. Palindrome isn't great because of range finder it's great because it's a stat monster. Also kinetic has some powerful special weapons. 3 S tier shotguns are in the kinetic. Astral Horizon, Conditional Finality, and Someday. I care about stat package over perks as range, stability, and handling are the things that makes hand cannons great. Midnight coup gets a pass because the aim assist is dumb on this gun which allows you to build craft differently while using it. I love the model of better devil's however the range in this meta with pulse, dead mans tale, and 120s on top of the top tier 140s makes it hard to validate this gun. Yes in the hands of a good pvp player it's great but no player will use this gun when it matters unless it's for a specific build.
I have a good roll with zen moment and enlightened action. Is there ANY reason I should take it out the vault and use it over an enhanced rose? Nadir focus does make it feel better
Just need to hit 70 range. Explosive and slice go together well, since explosive rounds do more dmg to tangle, freeze/heal turrets, wall nades and the explosive makes it easier to take care of wall nades without needing to aim so much…. Just hipfire and you are clear 😂
The explosive part ignores range, however your actual shot still requires you to be in range, also helps with enemy targeting and stuff. So yeah you can neglect range a lot more with Explosive Payload, but it doesn’t hurt to have it still
Help me please I've been playing destiny 2 for over 2 thousand hours now, I bought all the dlc, and a week ago my account was blocked forever. Bungie has no feedback, it’s terribly disappointing for progress and money, I’ve never used cheats, but my account was hacked, to which bungie also doesn’t respond, of course What can I do ?
I'a a PvE main who dipped his toe into crucible looking for a nice new hand cannon for my Strand build to take with me on my adventures through the D2 sandbox and what do you know.....Hatchling/Slice......See ya next year Crucible thanks for the pve godroll you beautiful bastard you.
Frost please be fast this might get patched very soon, go to pvp, equip peregrine greeves on titan, get a diamond lance, bring out your eager edge sword (no ammo needed) then pick up the diamond lance while running, swap weapons so you lose the lance and gave your gun out instead and congrats for 2.5 seconds your shoulder charge has eager edge distance, it works with anything you can use as melee
its just the model of the weapon. it is built diff. I also believe perpetual motion was meant for this weapon. The stat bumps are necessary for this handcannon.
I got small bore, accurized, perpetual/perfect float, zen moment and range MW and i can say i like that roll much more than any roll of Rose. Maybe if the was instead perpetual rapid hit it was god roll of god rolls.
Personally, the only roll I've really clicked with so far was a Perfect Float Zen Moment roll. That thing doesnt move no matter what you're fighting. Except for EP. But that's probably more user error than anything lol
Hell nah, Better Devils is not that good compared to the other better 140s due to the stats. You have to compensate too much on the stats in order to be able to compete at range. When exotic handcannons, Rose, Eyasluna, Fatebringer, Kept Confidence, etc. exist and are way better. People are coping too much with this gun for PvP lmao
LETS GOOOOOOO BETTER DEVILS IS BACK!!! *vaults it and goes back to using Rose anyways*
Rapid hit and opening shot has been the most consistent roll I have used.
Better Devils, Ace, and Hawkmoon are the only 140 handcannons I can actually use without missing my shots 98% of the time, so glad it’s back
You use keyboard and mouse?
@@jamaledwards8118 nope, I’m stuck on console atm
@@VanHohenheim-wj4jr I'm surprised you use Ace, I feel it jumps outta my hands alot personally.
Interesting how the ace, better devil's, and Hawkmoon is your strongest 140. Dire promise seems to be my go to hand cannon so I understand.
I struggle with rose with low stability. Went through all my roses and found slideshot/snapshot to be perfect for me, 70 range 69 stability, super snappy
Got the god roll perpetual opening shot enhanced with small bore accurized range masterwork and I love it
Enlightened action + Zen moment. Easy way to buiild into range while keeping stability/handling at a good level
This has been my go to weapon this season, already got 500 kills so far on mine while playing casually, it has moving target/EP.
i used BD so much in year one it is still my single most used weapon all these years later lol, super happy they brought it back with a new flavor, i absolute love it. My go to roll is just rapid hit/explosive, very similar to the OG, simple and straightforward but so, so good for everything.
Better devils has been my favorite since day one. They screwed up when it was reawakened on forsaken. Now, they remodeled it and made it look like new.
I got reconstruction and one for all, I just used it in a GM and I loved never having to reload.
I do think this gun is better for pve personally.
I like it in comparison to rose because of rapid hit kill clip, but my Spare Rations also does that and arguably just as well. Better Devils has a weird kick to it but once I got the hang of it on console it just felt so easy to use which I enjoy. It and Spare Rations are essentially my standby until I can get a god-roll Rose
better devils with good stab makes it feel really good, i havent really enjoyed high range unless i sacrifice a little for stab
FYI the Better devils model is the regular hand cannon icon in your weapon wheel
here is my king, one of my favorite hand cannos feels now too much better.
I played with alot of rolls and I've come to the conclusion that perpetual motion is absolutely necessary to shore up its stats and then that leaves you open to run opening shot, explosive payload or my personal favorite zen moment since it gives 5 stability when enhanced.
My roll is extended/fullbore, accurized, perpetual, zen, range mw and the only other roll that would remotely intrigue me would be opening shot with that same set up.
I've got a 70 range roll with moving target opening shot, despite its overall lackluster stats, it at least feels nice
I miss my Auto-Loading better devils, I used to pair it with fighting lion and it was my baby
I didnt realize it can roll slice+hatchling! I wanna mess with it for a strand build
Loving the quick pve rolls Frost! Thank you! ☃️☃️☃️
I have this and Randy’s with Enhanced Zen Moment and Primaries have never felt better.
The best part about better devils is how easy it is to farm for the roll you want the most
I tried Moving/Zen moment and man... Its sooo f*cking juicy weapon like on Red War times.... I love it and im happy with this HC
I’m still grinding for this thing for a while. And I just got a explosive rounds but not a moving target😢
moving target, explosive or perfect float and kill clip are my go to right now. good for 1v1 fights
Imagine that! 100's of Better Devils that AREN'T the same roll!? We've come full circle.
Better Devils "Now In Green!"
I'm not a fan of the weapon model, but it's always been a great feeling gun! Literally the right perks away from being a meta pick.
I still have my sunset (but no longer sunset) Better Devils from back in the day so glad I kept it lol
Corkscrew, accurized, rapid hit, opening shot, range MW is the god roll.
Had one guy in trials with an explosive round scout spamming shots to keep my team of 3 snipers flinched the whole time where hitting shots was impossible…. It was a first time for me to come across someone with that idea. It worked because I missed every snipe after he switched to it where before I hit 5 snipes for 3 match wins and we ended up losing 3-5…. Craziest chess game ever. I should have switched but my ego 😂
What the hell was that at 7:22? I've never seen that in my life!
New arc hunter aspect consumes class ability
I managed to get a really nice roll with rapid hit opening shot, accurized, hammer forged and a handling MW, it's nice to just mess around in 6v6 but the issue is it's handling is mid at best
I think theres more issues than that. We have stat monster like, fatebringer, eyasluna, ace of spade, palindrome, exalted truth, hawkmoon, kept confidence, rose, lunas howl, midnight coup stats low buuuut aim assist is insane, of course austringer. Better Devils is a great pve gun but idk about pvp. Just soooo many options instead of this gun. Unless you love the model.
@@jamaledwards8118 Most of those guns also mid or couldn't get them.
A.e ace good but recoil pattern with kick just baf af, palindrome you can't get and without rf it kinda meh, exalted you also can't get(usual one just mid), kept confidence feels worst than better, midnight just even worse than mid, luna in energy slot and it precision...
Surprisingly in reality Better Devils feels much better than indicated in the stats.
@@Daemonic6 ......my man said Luna howl is a precision gun. Better devil's feel better than kept confidence. Honestly the best thing is to say "I love this gun regardless" My favorite gun is the dire promise but I'm trying to sell a quarter bottle of water at full price. There's crap ton of hand cannons better than dire promise. Just like there's a crap ton of guns better than better.
@@jamaledwards8118 Sure you playing with gun if it fits in parameters: 1) You like it. 2) It can compete. 3) You play well with it.
For me right now only 4 guns which have all of it: Hawkmoon, Fatebringer, Better Devils, Eyasluna(but now i play with it much less).
So everyone has their favorites.
@@Daemonic6 see the thing is the guns I mentioned are all capable and viable vs the better devil. You don't have to sacrifice stats for range. The majority of the guns I mentioned can hit a threshold of 60 range and stability. Palindrome isn't great because of range finder it's great because it's a stat monster. Also kinetic has some powerful special weapons. 3 S tier shotguns are in the kinetic. Astral Horizon, Conditional Finality, and Someday. I care about stat package over perks as range, stability, and handling are the things that makes hand cannons great. Midnight coup gets a pass because the aim assist is dumb on this gun which allows you to build craft differently while using it. I love the model of better devil's however the range in this meta with pulse, dead mans tale, and 120s on top of the top tier 140s makes it hard to validate this gun. Yes in the hands of a good pvp player it's great but no player will use this gun when it matters unless it's for a specific build.
Hit rapid+zen with 67 range and 59 stability. Pretty good
I have a good roll with zen moment and enlightened action. Is there ANY reason I should take it out the vault and use it over an enhanced rose? Nadir focus does make it feel better
I really look up to you man. I’m thinking about switching to pc.
rapid hit + explosive rounds is a good match with stability and range
what shader on hammerhead? 2:06
15:33 where do you get that chest armor from it looks cool
Festival of the Lost it’s the hunter spider one from last year. Will be available in October close to Halloween
Definitely needs perpetual motion to bring up the stats
I need another frost compilation
I have a zen moment perfect float with 68 range it feels really good to duel with
Just need to hit 70 range. Explosive and slice go together well, since explosive rounds do more dmg to tangle, freeze/heal turrets, wall nades and the explosive makes it easier to take care of wall nades without needing to aim so much…. Just hipfire and you are clear 😂
frost on prismatic hunter if i want to use a strand or stasis primary what should i do to build the light bar at a faster rate?
I have a zen rapid hit roll that I love it’s amazing but I definitely prefer rose over this for movement
Correct me if I’m wrong but do you not need range with explosive payload?
The explosive part ignores range, however your actual shot still requires you to be in range, also helps with enemy targeting and stuff. So yeah you can neglect range a lot more with Explosive Payload, but it doesn’t hurt to have it still
@@broderickfoster2107 ok that makes sense thank you for clarifying it up for me
Wouldn’t max range have rangefinder instead of moving target
I think perpetual elcap is probably the way to go it has the best stats in the game with those perks
I got one with hatchling and basically haven’t taken it off in PvE since in PvP I definitely prefer Rose or Epochal
thought they elaborated before all the new weapons have deterministic recoil thats probably it
How do you even get this gun? Is it in pvp? I havent gotten a single drop yet
Yes :)
@@angrybeard8999 Thank you!
The best combo is underdog + shield disorient. 😮
I’d be amped for this if midnight coup didn’t completely blow me away. Thing is my new baby. Have 3 diff masterwork rolls.
Where can I got austringer now?
Couldn't see the whole vid, where does it drop from?
Isn't it just a little better kept confidence. That how I felt anyway. Just another supply bank from crucible to delete like everything else.
Help me please I've been playing destiny 2 for over 2 thousand hours now, I bought all the dlc, and a week ago my account was blocked forever. Bungie has no feedback, it’s terribly disappointing for progress and money, I’ve never used cheats, but my account was hacked, to which bungie also doesn’t respond, of course What can I do ?
Good luck landing the roll you want, the perk pool is ridiculous
Mines explosive payload and rapid hit!
I'a a PvE main who dipped his toe into crucible looking for a nice new hand cannon for my Strand build to take with me on my adventures through the D2 sandbox and what do you know.....Hatchling/Slice......See ya next year Crucible thanks for the pve godroll you beautiful bastard you.
Frost please be fast this might get patched very soon, go to pvp, equip peregrine greeves on titan, get a diamond lance, bring out your eager edge sword (no ammo needed) then pick up the diamond lance while running, swap weapons so you lose the lance and gave your gun out instead and congrats for 2.5 seconds your shoulder charge has eager edge distance, it works with anything you can use as melee
Austringer with zen moment and eye of the storm is a bit better imo
can anybody tell me what shotgun hes using? (im a noob so idk sry)
My better devils have moving target and opening shot
its just the model of the weapon. it is built diff. I also believe perpetual motion was meant for this weapon. The stat bumps are necessary for this handcannon.
Yo that cloke really brings the venom look together bro
Im not switching to this due to nostalgia, ill stick the updated lunas howl
I cant watch or hear this gun get stressed from the dry destiny 2 days
Hear me out…perp motion and ecap with a range MW
Better devils isn't good for the stats, it's good because it feels so damn fucking good to use.
Air trigger hatchling goatee for pve
im hunting that perfect float zen moment roll, never flinch again screw ace of spades triple flinch lol
Perpetual elemental, 70 range, 60 stability base, 80 ish max, this is what I want! Pure consistency. Range aint everything.
I want a zen moment roll to see if I like it also want it to cause big booms with the strand artifact
It just feels bad. It doesn't even come close to other hand cannons, sadly.
I got small bore, accurized, perpetual/perfect float, zen moment and range MW and i can say i like that roll much more than any roll of Rose. Maybe if the was instead perpetual rapid hit it was god roll of god rolls.
Frost: I still got enough bullets for another defeat
Editor: No you don’t 😂
I say just get a Rose tbh. Its unmatched with enhanced perks
Personally, the only roll I've really clicked with so far was a Perfect Float Zen Moment roll. That thing doesnt move no matter what you're fighting. Except for EP. But that's probably more user error than anything lol
tbh in my personal opinion i really enjoy using rangefinder zen moment because it just easy 3 taps with no problem and its so consistent
Only cost 500 to use them again
slice swash
No drop mag, dismantle.
I have that same exact roll.
Except I have hammer forged and stability master work. So my range is at 72 but stability is at 54 :)
Hell nah, Better Devils is not that good compared to the other better 140s due to the stats. You have to compensate too much on the stats in order to be able to compete at range. When exotic handcannons, Rose, Eyasluna, Fatebringer, Kept Confidence, etc. exist and are way better. People are coping too much with this gun for PvP lmao
Better in my vault
I'm sorry but nothing competes with Eyasluna
This is at best mid tier. Doesn't stand anywhere near Rose or even Midnight Coup with better perks like OS + EP.
lets go frostyyyy
Re introduced with bad stats man
Prismatic Hunter is so busted. It’s ruining crucible at the minute.
Yoooo
Can’t win when you never play the objectives.
Can’t win if you don’t get killed
FiRsT!
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My fatebringer has the same range and 55 more stability and 35 more handling… why would anyone use this garbage
It’s actual garbage, enhanced rose it’s literally a W
I have a perpetual /elemental roll with max range that plays the game for me. @Frostbolt