NewJeans & ILLIT Plagiarism Controversy

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  • @Smruti-c4y
    @Smruti-c4y 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great editing. Love the video

    • @joswhn
      @joswhn  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      thank you so much!

  • @jasiakabir7470
    @jasiakabir7470 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    While I believe that conceptually they aren't the same, but it's no rocket science that illit was made to PLUCK out VERY similar actions from NJ's activities. Their concept WAS undoubtedly inspired by NJ as revealed through various leaked documents. To me, its seems inspired from the mixture of NJ's ASAP MV+ OMG mv. But they were made to copy 'highlight' actions, that made newjeans stand out.
    There were quite a few of them I had noticed. And NONE of them fall in the bounds of concepts. The actions illit was accused to be copying does NOT fall under concepts AT ALL and does not fall in under the bounds of certain eras like many concepts usually does. Like,
    *dance*
    -It's not possible to have similarities with ALL dance choreography done during NJ'S first album and call it as coincidence. While it's common to take 1 or 2 key move (maybe like MJ's moonwalk), illit was made to copy CHUNKS of the key choreography with *multiple* sequence of movementS. The footwork, beat, timing etc, all the same...They will be perfectly timed to either of their songs. Illit's highlight choreography had very few difference to NJ's highlight choreo. Also dont forget that they were made to copy choreographer kelly's choreography (who isnt related to NJ at all). And she called them out.
    *Plucking out scenes from NJ's MV*
    -ofc we all know how NJ's unexpected debut with attention got viral. Then illit had their debut photoshoot with the thumbnail image of the Attention mv
    -NJ's asap sleeping pictures were all over the internet. Illit then incorporated that into their magnetic MV as well. Same position on a bed. Why not a bed of grass or flowers? Same position: 3 up 2 down. Why aren't they all side to side? Same lighting of sunrise. Why not moonlight ?
    -Animal/insect etc POV factor from How sweet mv is pretty uncommon. Yet illit were seen using the pov of a bee for their newest album release.
    *plucking out NJ photoshoots*
    -the hanbok photoshoot
    Let's discuss this. So the elements of this can be broken down to Pose, colors, hair, location, effects. Each with their own importance. Compare NJ's hanbok pictorials to illit's. We have the same poses present. We have same color palettes present. We have the same hairstyles present. Very similar editing effects. Did you know NJ was the first GG to do hanbok pictorials that were not so formal in style? Like, illit should've been made to at least pick ONE element that's WAYY different than newjeans?? We have several different types of colors, editing effects, traditional korean setting types?? I assure you, you wont find another set of similar pictures with any other GGs or in general. Both of their pictures look as if they are from the same GGs
    *Similar debuting tactic at a fashion event.*
    Not even the belift ceo could explain the plagiarism issue and the technical aspects of things in his 27 minute video that he released. Instead he tried dragging the NJ formulation down which only backfired because he provided several wrong facts.
    So can you, at least give me examples of OTHERS besides illit doing the SAME things as the examples given above??
    Because I assure you, I too wanted to brush off the fact of illit copying newjeans. Only to see that I couldn't find OTHERS doing the things in SUCH a similar fashion as NJ like the examples given above. For any plagiarism issue of illit, I can only point them to Newjeans. But if NJ gets plagiarism issue, I could never point them to someone SPECIFIC. (Even the Jean's mexico vs NJ issues were debunked because their similar actions fell under a CONCEPT). NJ are not making something brand new, but just merely taking inspiration through RESEARCH from the past to make something relatively fresh out of EXISTING actions. They are TRYING to make the existent actions DIFFERENT at the least! While illit management only wants the positive reactions of people which NJ earned. Hence, as a result, they are taking NJ's popular highlighted actions in MULTIPLE amounts. Sure, recycle the use of things NJ has recycled from others as well. But maybe do it in MODERATION and with a good amount of DIFFERENCE?? How can they have ALL these similar things at ONCE being under the same company?? The movements, pose, location, editing effects etc in each of the factors make things so damningly obvious that they were made to copy.

    • @vizioned9135
      @vizioned9135 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      None of that matters anymore, NJ doesn’t exist anymore

    • @jasiakabir7470
      @jasiakabir7470 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@vizioned9135 u wish. 🤣. The members aren't dead. They were NJ they will be they are whateverrrr. They are the ones that MAKE NJ. They will always be that to the ppl lol. What an intelligent response u had🤣

  • @Strawbbxmoon
    @Strawbbxmoon 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I think even Illit fans know the group is less so inspired by New Jeans and more so a copy of them. Ive noticed their only argument is that “new jeans is y2k and illit is dreamy.” First off NewJeans is inspired by Y2K. They aren’t Y2K themselves. ASAP mv was a dreamy concept and it wasn’t their first. Not to mention “dreamy” is such a loose and vague adjective, it really has no concrete concept. So the most used argument is the least factual.
    Not to mention new jeans was able to be inspired by Y2K because it is a concept that existed 20-30 years ago so they brought it back to life and made it something new and unique, hence NJ being “inspired by” y2k. How can you be inspired by something that came to be merely two years ago? ILLIT is without question copying NJ, trying to ride on their wave of popularity.
    My disdain does not go to the members of ILLIT, but to the label HYBE itself. ADOR, a sister company, created a group more popular than HYBEs group. This was a first and something I’m sure HYBE didn’t expect. I think that’s why they tried so hard (and succeeded) to take of ADOR and replace the entire staff with theirs, they likely were getting a small percentage of revenue from them. They likely didn’t make the same mistake with BELIF which is why ILLIT is being pushed so hard. It’s the version of NJ that HYBE gets to control and profit off of more. HYBE is unstoppable this year to anyone unaware. They have bought various record labels in the west from country to pop to rap in R&B. they are clearly planning something huge

    • @momoring_twice847
      @momoring_twice847 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But how?! you guys argue that New Jeans is all unique and that their concept is all their own when it’s not MinHeejin copy their concept from all different groups like Speed and Jeans
      you argue that dreamy isnt a concept but it is it isn’t vague at all and I wouldn’t 100% say that Illit isnt based off a dreamy concept i’d say a early nostalgic video game and lofi which is more based off of Pink Pantheress concept they’re more like that you say you can’t get inspired by New things for only 2 years ago you can get inspire by new and old things

    • @jadynariana
      @jadynariana 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@momoring_twice847 I think the misconception at least imo is that the idea that any comparison of illit to newjeans is the same as newjeans to speed & jeans. mhj copying aspects of nj concept from other groups outside of kpop is wrong, its extremely unoriginal and bad on mhj & ador. taking aspects of nj, a group within kpop is also wrong and way easier to clock since its within the industry and from the same company. its the reason why ppl were unaware of speed and jeans to this extent until it benefit an argument. its the reason why when referencing a new kpop group paying homage to an old one ppl are unaware that the concept, beat, song, or dance is actually from an outside source. that is a large part of kpop as a whole not very original/ trend followers rather than creators.
      id also say that now that illit has had thier first comeback outlook has changed. their newest comeback is very video game lofi their debut was 100% more dreamy. and if youre saying they were inspired by pink pantheress thats the same thing ppl say about newjeans. they even have uk garage genre instrumentals for their songs so indirectly youre kind of agreeing that illit are similar to nj on some levels.
      sidenote: if there is any validity to any of the claims about hybe conspiring against newjeans in any way other than to uplift them from their debut to now that is affiliated with belift or the creation of illit etc some of what ppl are saying is true. and by no means should this reflect on the girls in illit even though it unfortunately would its not their fault.

    • @jasiakabir7470
      @jasiakabir7470 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jadynariana
      To clarify the Jeans Mexico, speed related things that NJ was accused of copying, its not so. They were just following trends. Jeans Mexico doesn’t own any of the elements in question. Please, I'm just doing this to explain, and if you don't take this with thoughtful and open mind, I suggest you ignore this altogether.
      1. *Name* : Jeans Mexico isn't the only one with 'jeans' in their name. Before them, there was a boy band called 'Swinging Blue Jeans.' Now, there's another Vancouver-based band called 'Counterfeit Jeans.' The latest is 'Newjeans.' So, in order: 'Swinging Blue Jeans,' 'Jeans,' 'Counterfeit Jeans,' and 'Newjeans.'
      2. *Costume & Concept* :
      -Hanni's triangular scarf top in "Attention" is a Louis Vuitton scarf, similar to Beyoncé's red one. This trend, worn by celebrities like Jennifer Aniston, has been around for years and continues today
      -The full denim outfit is also a past trend, worn by celebrities like Tyra Banks and Drew Barrymore, as well as the boy band Swinging Blue Jeans. It's still popular today, even before Jeans Mexico.
      -The colorful outfits are a Y2K trend, worn by icons like the Spice Girls, Britney Spears, and Paris Hilton.
      The space bun hairstyle was also worn by Mandy Moore, Britney Spears, and Hilary Duff, and has resurfaced recently.
      Jeans and Speed aren't original in their styles-they follow celebrity trends, just like other girl groups such as Blaque, 3LW, TLC, and the Spice Girls. NewJeans is currently popular for bringing back 90s-2000s fashion, but the trend isn't new.
      3. *Music Video* :
      The ONLY similarity between NewJeans' "Ditto" MV and Jeans Mexico's is the use of a camera. NewJeans uses this to highlight how people live through screens, becoming obsessed with K-pop idols and forming parasocial relationships while neglecting their own lives. This "point of view" theme is common in NewJeans' work, like in "Bubblegum" and "How Sweet."
      Jeans Mexico's MV also uses a camera, but with no meaning behind it, but use of camera is not unique to them. Many artists have done similar things: Fleurie in "Out of the Blue," Zara Larsson in "Ruin My Life" were seen in camera recordings and Olivia Rodrigo in "Deja Vu." was seen viewing VCR recordings. Additionally, NewJeans' "Ditto" has parallels with Kim Taeri's film Munyoung, where a silent schoolgirl holds a camera, as well as 20th Century Girl, which also features a girl recording often. The aesthetic of seeing the one you admire through camera and schoolgirls with cameras is an old trope in Japanese media which is exactly what NJ aimed.
      In the end, "Ditto" takes inspiration from these past elements to create something unique, and claiming it copied Jeans Mexico is mistaken, as similar themes have appeared long before and after Jean's mexico.
      As for the speed MV, the only similar shots were found to be something shot at a stadium and a beach. You have any idea how many singers/group shot at a stadium and before? The instant examples are Twice and One direction.
      The garage girl/patrol station aesthetic is also an actual aesthetic and you can find many images if you search up.
      4.*Same fonts* :
      Newjeans merely takes nostalgic looking font from the past for their logo. While one of the fonts used coincided with Jeans Mexico logo, people would be dumb not to notice that Newjeans never settled for 1 trademark font type and that their font used are constantly changing with each album covers!!!
      5. *Dance* :
      The shoulder-holding dance is a weak comparison, as it clearly comes from the childhood "railway station" game. The dance moves are different in terms of angles, footwork, and execution-only the formation is similar to jeans mexico.
      As for the hair flip, it's a common, everyday move, not requiring special creativity. Jeans Mexico's hair flip is similar to those done by cheerleaders or bows done by sportswomen, while NewJeans' hair flip is distinct and doesn't resemble a bow.
      6. *Album cover* : ice blue album covers are also a thing of the past. Beyonce, Britney Spears, Beastie Boys, Sade Adu, The roots, Joni Mitchell, etc have already done it. Besides, the Jeans Mexico's album cover does not only come in blue but also black and white. The newjeans covers are not even that similar to the Jeans mexico one. They are filled with stickers and just plain ice blue while JNS covers come with white bg with blue band members.
      So now you'll ask why illit is a copy. Well I'll get to that.

    • @jasiakabir7470
      @jasiakabir7470 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@jadynariana While I believe that conceptually illit and NJ aren't that same, but it's no rocket science that illit was made to PLUCK out VERY similar actions from NJ's activities. Their concept WAS undoubtedly inspired by NJ as revealed through various leaked documents. To me, its seems inspired from the mixture of NJ's ASAP MV+ OMG mv. But more so, they were made to copy 'highlight' actions, that made newjeans stand out.
      There were quite a few of them I had noticed. And NONE of them fall in the bounds of concepts. The actions illit was accused to be copying does NOT fall under concepts AT ALL and does not fall in under the bounds of certain eras like many concepts usually does. Like,
      *dance*
      -It's not a coincidence that Illit's choreography closely resembles ALL of NJ's dance during their first album. While it's normal to borrow *1* key move (eg MJ's moonwalk), Illit copied large *portions* of NJ's choreography, including footwork, timing, angles and beats. Their highlight choreography was nearly identical to NJ's. Plus, they were made to copy choreographer Kelly's work, who has no connection to NJ, and she called them out for it.
      *Plucking out scenes from NJ's MV*
      -ofc we all know how NJ's unexpected debut with attention got viral. Then illit had their debut photoshoot with the thumbnail image of the Attention mv. Blue skies and all. Why not an evening sky?
      -NJ's asap sleeping pictures were all over the internet. Illit then incorporated that into their magnetic MV as well. Same sleepong on a bed. Why not a bed of grass or flowers all awake? Same position: 3 up 2 down. Why aren't they all side to side? Same lighting of sun. Why not moonlight ?
      -Animal/insect etc POV factor from How sweet mv is pretty uncommon. Yet illit were seen using the pov of a bee for their newest album release.
      *plucking out NJ photoshoots*
      -Let’s talk about the hanbok photoshoot. When comparing NJ's and Illit's hanbok pictorials, they share the same poses, color palettes, hairstyles, and editing effects. NJ was the first girl group to do hanbok pictorials in a less formal style. Illit should’ve at least chosen one element to make their shoot stand out. After all, do we not have 1000x different color palette, poses, traditional Korean locations, editing effects etc that they couldve chosen?? Why is everything the same save for the fur lining in the hanboks?? Their pictures look almost identical, with no other girl groups having such similar ones.
      *Similar debuting tactic at a fashion event.*
      The movements, pose, location, editing effects, angles etc in each of the factors in my examples make things so damningly obvious that illit were made to copy. Hence the difference between NJ and illit: NJ are *following* a concept and aesthetic bound by certain eras and these are owned by none. NJ's *actions* are not done in the same way as anybody. Meanwhile Illit is *copying selected highlight actions* of NJ regardless of their difference in concepts. And the actions in question are only seen to be done by NJ so far. Name another GG with same highlight choreography as NJ, *SO similar* debut tactic, magazine photoshoots, hanbok photoshoots, mv scenes, etc. You will find no one. I've done enough research to get the *difference* *between* *following*/*inspiration* *and* *copying* . Illit could've at least been made to change SOME of the things mentioned above. But they were made to everything the same way.

  • @bananapie2483
    @bananapie2483 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This whole controversy highlights the rotten core of modern music industry: music is just a product to be sold, which leads to originality and passion to come second

    • @joswhn
      @joswhn  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      agreed

  • @hadeeljabarti5047
    @hadeeljabarti5047 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    They did copy NewJeans and tried not to make it obvious now they are trying to change it to a more dreamy style it’s too late the damage is done

    • @jasiakabir7470
      @jasiakabir7470 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@hadeeljabarti5047 girl they made it v obv ; which is y they had too many parallels🤣

    • @Arhzaa
      @Arhzaa 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Their concept has always dreamy.it’s not their fault you can’t tell

    • @Strawbbxmoon
      @Strawbbxmoon 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Arhzaaactually in a very literal sense, it IS HYBEs fault most people can’t tell the difference between the groups concepts. They’re way too similar and dreamy is too vague of a word for you all to hold onto it like armor.

    • @momoring_twice847
      @momoring_twice847 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It’s always been a dreamy concept and Illit and New Jeans don’t have a similar concept at all NewJeans is Y2K Retro and Illit Is more of a VideoGame Lofi which you can clearly see the differences

    • @jasiakabir7470
      @jasiakabir7470 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Arhzaa their whole concept is NJ's Asap mv + OMG mv💀