Accusing someone who's critiquing your favs of having "low standards" isn't the argument people think it is. Like, what does it say when I have such low standards and this idol still doesn't measure up?
@@RUKA_BABYMONST7R I never said it wasn't. I just said there's no difference between what you and the commenter said despite you trying to correct him. did you get dropped on your head when you were a baby or smth ?
To the ppl who say “ it’s better than under performing “..no it’s not. You need to find the balance, that’s literally why you’re an idol. The way she dances just doesn’t match the song either
I agree. In a group over or under is a weakness. Cohesive is the point. Go solo if you want to do your own thing or show off. It’s not a good look for that person imo
@@Yourdailydoseofsarcasm I understand that she needs to dance like the other members in the Dance Performance, MV etc (she does) but I think it's okay to have fun and dance with more energy on stage...
You pointed out so many things about stage presence and facial expressions on stage that I never noticed :) I also figured that Asa was the best performer, and couldn’t quite understand why Chiquita and Ahyeon’s performances (facial expressions in particular) were a bit off. You’ve explained everything nicely. Thank you!
Thank you for talking about this. I saw fan cams and people in the comments would keep saying that people are dramatic for thinking she is over performing. When Ahyeon toned down, she toned down to much. I feel she needs to find a balance in the middle. Since she is a very new idol, there is a lot of room for improvement. When she tones it down, she takes everything that made the performance fun and bad away. When she tones it back up and puts everything bad and good back in front of your face. Balance is so so so important. Luckily for Ahyeon, she is in a 7 member group so she isn’t immediately labeled as a wannabe soloist compared to if she was in a 4 member group. Ahyeon is new and just needs more training and more experience in a industry. (I apologize if any of my grammar is poor, it’s 10 AM for me and I’m on a road trip with 1 hour of sleep.)
Maybe when you spend money to see them perform like those who do then you'll find yourself in the vast minority. Otherise, your claim is as solid as anyone accusing your of wasting oxygen.
She's back to her energetic self and belting with all her might in the Kobe fanmeet. It's a BIG FU to all her "constructive criticism" and the cesspool who actually believed she'd tone down over them lol. The Seoul Finale is next and she's going to explode performing her first concert in her home country.
Ahyeon was def overperforming, like when ur in a group you have to be synchronized so the criticism was definetly valid.Also, the shouting was really annoying,I really like the way she's peforming now that she is synchronized cm with the members.
@@DivajulieActualy it was critisizm for the most, I know she did receive a lot of hate for other thing and ppl were calling her names, but critisizm for her overperfoming is valid.
@@Divajulie Not everyone is sending hate though so it’s isn’t just hate and threats. Just cause people ARE sending hate and threats doesn’t mean you just overlook the constructive criticism that people are genuinely showing because they know that they can do better. They are a talented group so of course people would want to see them show how talented they are in the best ways which is why pushing away constructive criticism just cause they are getting hate from OTHER people is NOT okay because you are making it look to them that they are okay where they are. We want them to improve and keep improving not for them to stagnate.
@@jazzyedwards3871 if they are not improving just watch another group. Whats the problem there are so many. You just want to find trouble. You dont like them watch others. Why are you so obsessed with them. You must have someone you like there plus soneone you hate there too. Split them up. Just watch yr favourite fan cam.
Underperforming sucks, but overperforming also sucks. The point is that there is a balance that you need to match, especially in the rap part of Sheesh, where they're a duo. 3:19 Hold up, "Mentahyeoned?"
@blueberrysblues everglow up said that since the captions picked up ahyeon as ion, everglow up made it so that ion would automatically correct to ahyeon. But the filter made everything that had the letter I, o, and n turn to ahyeon
Let me try to find all of them 3:19 Mentahyeoned 3:47 Informatahyeon 8:56 Relatahyeon 16:18 Definitahyeon 16:56 Attentahyeon (Those were the only ones I could find) idk I like it it's funny
as a MONSTIEZ and a ahyeon bias i’ve noticed the over performing ever since their evolutions before debut. but let me tell you once she learns how to balance herself she will definitely be the best performer of her generation 100%. her potential and passion is insane
I legit agree. Ahyeon being one of my tops I love how she performs she (like all the other members) is unique. But she needs to find her balance. That being said she doesn't deserve hate, js some constructive criticism! She's a rookie and she's new. She's passionate about her job and I hope she doesn't lose her spark. She has so much room and time for improvement. You got this Ahyeon!
"Best performer of her generation " have you even seen other 5th gen idol performer they are much better and aldreay so good ....so stop over exaggerating everything
i really hate how yg's trying to insert ahyeon and chiquita in the rapping parts .like asa and ruka is enough really......they both are trained rappers,good performers , good dancers, with good chemistry...like why is chiquita being shown in asa's part ?
I just noticed a pretty big error in the video. When doing the captions, I used the "find and replace" tool to exchange "ion" with Ahyeon" since that was the way the captions were picking up her name. I didn't notice that it replaced EVERY word with the letters " i o n" in it. lmao, I'm really sorry about that. will double check next time 😭
I've seen people comparing the similar complaints of "lazy dancing." I'd say that's valid since the level of micromanagement is insane amongst Knetizens.
Talking about a rap duo, i know blackpink is more commerical but I really like lisa and jennie's chemistry. Their individual stage presence differs so much but their chemistry together is a treat to watch. Atleast for me.
it's more like san in ateez's imo. both san and ahyeon are good performers, but when it takes away from the group performance and synchronization, that's when it's an issue
Jihyo is known as God Jihyo for her excellent stage presence. Ahyeon is a good performer but she needs to tone down her dancing ( I didn't mean to say that she should underperform ) . I am glad that she is taking the criticism in a positive way . I love her passion and dedication towards her job . It means that she takes her job as an idol seriously.
I get the sense that Ahyeon doesn't know HOW to control her energy. She has the ability to refine her craft, but she might've debuted too early. Given another 2-3 years to really train and control her talent, Ahyeon would've been a perfectly polished artist. Unfortunately, she's a bull in a china shop right now. She has the most potential in Baby Monster along with Chiquita, but they haven't finished their training imo. Btw, I totally agree Asa is the best performer in BM. I wasn't too keen on her initially, but after watching their Forever stages, I realized she has complete control over her aura. Girl doesn't need to try hard, yet her monstrous confidence and talent just oozes out of her eyes.
@@inplane9970 camila and her fans literally gaslighted everyone into believing that she’s the talented main character and other members are just jealous of her💀
when you said "it's almost like she's not doing anything and then she remembers 'i'm on stage and i need to perform'".....i honestly think that's it. the other members comment on how she's notorious for flipping her hair and zoning out. it lowkey makes me worried about her, esp because she debuted late for mental health reasons :(
@@fanofbagels she had said multiples times she zones out a lot so that's why it's like when she is dancing she gets a burst of energy out of nowhere . Could be her mental health issues as well. I'm sure she will find a balance as long as she keeps growing and learning.
Honestly it's understandable in my opinion. Ahyeon is over performing BECAUSE she is new. She is excited to be a performer and I think its okay considering She has fixed it now and seems more sycronised. However apparently now people are calling her lazy for toning down. Idk much about this situation, I was on the really positive side of Ahyeon's overdancing where people agreed and were surprisingly very mature about it and also said it's understandable because she is new.
@@garimasuhani7227 Performing for evaluation in front of a few judges is different from performing on stage in front of thousands of people. These girls only just debuted less than a year ago, so they are still very new in this industry. As they keep performing together, they will eventually find the right balance, but it might takes a few years to get there.
[Beware, long ass comment below] I feel like some fans don't accept a drop off criticism about Ahyeon's performance because they may feel like "the haters won," but I should remind them that two things can be true at the same time. NO, she doesn't deserve threats, insults, hate, and everything that she received, BUT she was, in fact, overperforming. YES, overperforming exists. If the choreo says, "lift your leg in an L position up to your hip" but you kick so hard your leg ends up straight and over your waist, the dance is going to look messy and you're going to look uncoordinated compared to the rest of the group. It seems that Ahyeon has a problem managing her energy since even the director of the MV told her to tone down a bit her expressions during the filming. She's just a teenager, she'll learn with time and experience. I also feel that over the time, idols have been receiving so much unjustified hate that now fans jump even at valid times of criticism just to protect them, but people need to identify the valid points of certain criticism, or more idols will become like Sakura and her inability to accept that she needs to improve and not just and exclusively have fun on stage independently of the audience experience.
Your comment deserves to be pinned! This is exactly how i feel about Ahyeonah and i'm a die-hard Hyeonie🧸❤️🔥🍯. i agree with every word💯 We just wanna protect her, but know that she has to improve in certain areas. And yes, there is such a thing as over-performing. And yes, Ahyeon did that at times. i liked it though💀 Edit: P.s. Your disclaimer at the beginning is sending me for no reason😂
@wunmiidris7871 Thank you! I feel like she's a great idol, but like every rookie (and even veterans) she needs some polishing, but she can't improve if we just blindly clap at everything she does. I really want to see her finding balance in the future👏
YG told her to do a specific step with less energy during the Dance Performance (which is normal since they must be "perfect" in the MV, Dance Performance...) but in my opinion it's okay to over perform on stage because she's just enjoying it. Btw of course I respect your opinion ❤
@@Roach_EntertainmentOFFICIAL yeah .. yg is stupid for almost making the group without them like asa is the ace and main rapper , best dancer along with ruka...rora is main vocal and main visual..like how could he do this to them..
Asa is getting her recognition as she deserves it but people really love to discredit rora every time. she is such an amazing performer at such a young age
@@nidemens your opinion doesn't matter here. and no one is forcing you to agree. cuz beauty is subjective. and that person was saying it according to kbs. not from everyone's pov
Ahyeon is just so excited to finally be in her idol era… she’s learning as she goes but she needs to not let it get into her head too much as to where she is underperforming like no take criticism and just enjoy yourself because now you’ll be looking for attention being the “lazy dancer”
Nah because these behaviors will cause BM to have the same solo stan problem as BP. They are young and hopefully will be able to improve based on this criticism.
chiquita is praised for being an amazing performer and while she's def talented I also think her facial expressions feel very over the top a lot. the dance break in forever is a good example of what I mean, asa's rap sounds smooth and cool while chiquita is dancing very forcefully and aggressive and it feels off. ahyeon is performing a lot better now after the critques, though I do think its weird how ahyeon and chiquita are regarded as the "most born to be idols" out of the group, YG clearly has an agenda of who he plans on making superstars and his bias has seeped into the general publics to where they're blinded to any flaws these girls might have
I agree most people are not judging the actual performance...they are judging the performance based on the pre narrative that yg created...which sucks yk...cuz yg is so freaking biased towards ahyeon, Chiquita, pharita.,ever since their last evaluation
@@Sammmm85 ikr .im a asa bias but i just feel sad to see rora's potential is being wasted ..yeah in fanmeet batter up they gave 90% rami's linee and centertime to ahyeon ..which was kinda weird yk...i hope in full album ot7 would get to shine equally..
I've been seeing a boat load of Ahyeon stans labeling everything they see hate, when in fact Ahyeon IS overdoing it. But in time she can improve, I really can't wait to see how much she grows. ❤😊
I used to perform with someone similar in a school band, and we were constantly criticised because our vocalists (there were 3 or 4 at a time including me) were not performing cohesively and one member was just screeching. She often tried to sing louder than us or just loudly in general, and she just ended up screaming. And even then she was labelled as passionate, and the rest of the band just had to deal with it and try and figure out how to make the song sound good. Last straw was when she started singing all of the wrong lyrics in the wrong order, other vocalists tried to sing with her, correcting her and taking over to put the song back on track (this was a live performance on stage) but she continued to sing the wrong lyrics confidently, increasing her volume so no one could hear the rest of us, and we all were just kind of stood there not knowing what to do. Over performing doesn't mean someone isn't talented, it simply means they need to tone it down and blend in so they can give a satisfactory performance. Because at the end of the day you are letting your team down.
I love listening to your thoughts and video essays. It's refreshing to hear someone using critical thinking and giving genuine perspectives on various topics, rather than following the herd mentality. Most videos claiming to present 'unpopular opinions' often lack research, individual thoughts, and seem to be made just for shock value.
i was gaslighting my self that maybe I'm the one in the wrong because I really didn't enjoy Ahyeon in Sheesh since everyone was praising her. her high notes rubbed me in the wrong way. forever is better tho
I'd rather another member got the Sheesh high note more icl but it was nice seeing her get the note on her first release. I want Ahyeon to find her balance and get high notes later in her career so she can properly 'prove' herself as a performer. She is good, yes, but she can get better which we've already seen in Forever as you've pointed out already.
I strongly agree with this, as they work as a group, the balance is really the crucial part they need to fix to make the performance looks better, I hope they learn better and better because there so much potential for babymonster in every aspect
ASA IS THE ONE WHO GOT ME INTO KPOP...Ever since i started watching their fancams..i enjoyed ASA'S fancam the most., im glad you talked about asa's phenomenal stage presence people are sleeping on her sp.she is the most consistent performer of the group, has great control over her expressions, great camera awareness, has the best theotrical presence in the group..also i love how she can match their vibes ..when she is dancing next to pharita she can match her elegant dancing, whereas when dancing with ahyeon she can match her energetic dancing as well..asa has the type of swag which is effortlessly cool 😎., she is the most versatile in the group too..she can be elegant,cool,sensual, powerful.especially in her look alive remix performance she is so cool...she can sing, dance, rap, compose songs..she is such a ACE fr ❤❤... ACESA THE WOMAN YOU ARE ❤
I'm so happy see another stage presence video again. I'd love a video discussing only soloists in this topic or a more detailed analysis on idols who have improved their stage presence (perhaps include ones who were part of your stage presence struggle bus video if appropriate).
she's still a rookie idol, she needs more practical stage performance to work with the group to understand her role and position in order to enhance the group's performance, then she will shines with her talents more and more, just give her room to grow, she will surprise you
If we are "hating" for telling Ahyeon to calm down a bit since it makes the groups looks unbalanced. Than is Yang Hyun Suk also hating on her for telling her to tone it down as well? The guy who created the group.
Y'all clearly dont understand what YG said to Ahyeon 😅 that's the same person and the same video he said be energetic lmao 😅 and this was the same person who said to them be LOUD so the audience will get hype 😅
I feel she's always been compared to Jennie, which is why she feels an immense pressure to give it girl energy. She's a talented a young lady, but yeah, you're right, she just needs time. Fans are putting a lot of pressure on her from the get go. She's just a bb and learning.
I felt this way as well. I kept seeing videos saying Chiquita and Ahyeon were baby monsters best performers. But I've always seen them as Baby Monsters middle of the road performers better than say Rora or Pharita (who are both actually pretty good) but not as good as Rami, Ruka and Asa. This makes a lot of sense because Chiquita really does sometimes feel all over the place especially in Forever. Also since Rami and Ahyeon share parts in Like That and Forever, it actually feels all the more obvious how much more precision and control Rami has. The performances of OT6 batter up have always seemed stronger than OT7, in part because Rami was a much more balanced center and her energy wasn't off putting. I guess I just feel like Asa (and Ruka) are the standouts and Rami balances them with the rest of the group which has not quite perfected it's performance craft.
Yeah...that's why I think ruka and ASA rapping as a duo works better than ruka and ahyeon cuz ruka and asa has that kinda chemistry when rapping together even though they have different rap styles...ASA follows the rhythm that ruka sets instead of overpowering..also asa smoothly transitions into the 2nd pre chorus by altering the rhythm of her rap..which is so satisfying...
@@jagadeeswarirajesh6486 I agree I really like either rora -> rami vocal connections or rami pharita vocal work for the same reason the three just have great chemistry together
@@AnnGoldey agree..in forever ahyeon was doing adlibs when Rami was singing..the meaning of adlibs is that it should support from the background of whoever is singing... whereas ahyeon's adlibs in forever is a little loud than Rami who is actually singing the lines in the centre.😭..it felt weird but I didn't say anything.cuz I know her stans will bash me.
@@AnnGoldey yeah..a funny thing is that her toxic fans are saying that other members are underperforming and they need to match ahyeon's energy ..like wtf...that doesn't make any sense.. ahyeon is a rookie ..she will certainly improve overtime...
Its actually crazy how silly people are. Ahyeon needs to stop thinking she needs to reach Jennie's level and be herself. She needs to match the pace of the team not make them seem like they are underperforming. Tbh she'd do so much better without rap lines. Ruka and Asa definitely fit that role and there is no need for another one who mostly screams than rapping. Either way, anyone saying its not true, just refuse to see and open their eyes and ears. We dont hate Ahyeon, we just comment on her exaggerated performances.
tbh I'm not a fan of her vocals either she just naturally has a screechy tone it's very obvious YG is tryna push her as an all rounder and I find it very unfair to the rap duo ruka asa and Rami rora as well who are clearly more skilled and have controlled techniques while singing high notes ahyeon just ends up screaming and her natural tone being that way makes it sound 10 times worse she is talented when she sings in mid range higher ranges bring the worst out of her tone
@@wioletwoes I agree. Not to say Ahyeon isn't talented (she is) but I think other members (particularly Asa) are better suited to be an all rounder and Ahyeon needs just a little bit more control over her vocals because I find she ends up forcing highr notes too much and strains her voice. I was the same before I started my professional lessons and now my voice is 10x better for it. I find it sad how overshadowed other members talents are, as they truly are gems.
another thing i don't like is after she got criticism for overperforming, she intentionally underperformed and her fans called her savage but honestly it's just plain petty and immature. yeah, yeah she's a minor but come on? she chose this path. being an idol is a job so I feel like people asking her to do her job right is extremely valid but she responds so unprofessionally.
In addition to her overperfoming, Ahyeon's lack of control over her power causes her to do completely different moves. I think she knows that she uses too power as in music videos she tones down her dance and facials so that it fits the other members. I think she does it on purpose during perfomances as no one can really stop her or tell her to calm down unlike in MV shouts.
kpop stans (4thgen,3thgen) got use to covid contents (pre recorded stage, no audience stage, fancams, tiktoks) but now that we have concert, fanmeet, lives, festivals, we can see and hear who stick out in a good or a bad way. Performing at inkigayo where idols have an individual facecam and close up shots is different than performing at their fanmeet: there'll be close ups of their face on the big screen during their part but most of the audience will focus on the full group performing on the stage. if it doesn't look cohesive then it's a bad performance for the whole group.
First of all, I like Ahyeon as much as the others BM who are among the best of their generation. That said, your analysis is very "eye opening": it is not her having more "passion" (what I tought first) but her being unaware of presence mistakes she does on stage (and by the way, she doesn't overperform in any MV). I hope the staff will help her to improve it quickly and that we will get to see all of them shine on stage.
Many idols need to understand the song they are performing more cus some idols you can tell they don’t really get the lyrics. Ahyeon overpreforming shows how much she doesn’t understand the song and how certain sound mood should affect her dance and face. Like that have a very casual sound to it so her doing so much with her facials and her moves make her look messy and aggressive. Especially cus she is an attention grabber anyway so for her to do a lot anyway when she stands out anyway just makes the group look like they can’t preform together. Love the video Ofcourse
@@AUGHHHHHBBG so I will ask you again does AHYEON understand the lyrics of the song? you said came from your own words "CAREFREE AND EMPOWERMENT SONG"
@@Francheska291 Oh my god I remember u… But anyway outside of that u still can’t spell for ish cus “Does ahyeon didn’t understand” Like this is a painful read. Let’s try again and reread ur comment
@@AUGHHHHHBBG instead of answering my simple question even it's a broken English or with autocorrection you want to be the English major so bad makes me cringed. even 10 years old will get what I'm trying to say. and police your own English as well before coming at someone else. I will ask you again does AHYEON understand the lyrics? based on your own understanding the song is CARFREE AND EMPOWERMENT.
i agree with every second of this video. you said all of the things i've been wanting to say for a while lol. ahyeon has good facial expressions but for stage presence, timing plays a great role too. during their sheesh's performances, sometimes it felt like she was performing as a soloist. i'm glad that yang hyunsuk talked about it though. its not just the facial expressions but also her dance or i would say how she expresses some movements. babymon is still a new group, i'm not a fan but i look forward to their future plans a lot bc they are really talented. babymonster has a long future ahead and i'd love to see what more they can showcase. i hope ahyeon doesn't take the criticism to heart and just see it as a weakness which needs to be improved.
I really liked this stage presence video abt ahyeon, it was very insightful especially when i was one of the people that thought she was overperforming, im a big fan of your stage presence archetype videos so im really excited to see what you have in store for the rest of the baby monster members, if you plan on making a video abt that no stress
Yeah regardless, a CEO's opinion isn't the most reliable. They're not the ones overseeing the individual performances and how each member does in a group. If anything, the ones who choreographed the dance has the best opinion on how much energy should be in the dance.
I don't like how she toned down her dancing too much and with look bored during recent performances. She didn't improve her performance, but rather started barely doing anything at all. Its like she's being petty.
She has often at points looked bored, disinterested, sad and even angry. The others seem to ignore her moods and carry on around her. Only God knows what's going on here.
You can’t call someone petty just because she is now dancing with less energy, you don’t know Ahyeon so don’t make comments like that, she only debuted 3 months ago tf
I really don’t wanna pull out “the hate comments got to her 😭 “ card out but.. Wasn’t her debut delayed in the first place because of her health? Nobody really knows what’s happening but I don’t think I’d be surprised..
This may not relate to the video exactly, but on the OT7 version of "Batter Up", Ahyeon's entrance seems to me to come out of nowhere. It's like they JUST remembered that she was still in BABYMONSTER and thought, "We need to put her in the song somewhere."
Very well said. Glad someone make a video addressing this situation cz it has become a situation where we don't want to get involved because there're 2 toxic parts debating on this. Each and every word you said is very well balanced with no hate. Thanks for the video. I think those toxic fans should listen to this video from the beginning to the end.
honestly i don't even mind the addition of hair/head whips and what not, i just think that her accenting of the beats and variations in energy distribution are what make her stick out like a sore thumb sometimes (though those skills in themselves are actually great, when used correctly); theres nothing wrong with adding your own personal flare to a choreography but often times idols do it in very specific instances while remaining relatively textbook for the rest, while ahyeon variates from the others throughout an entire sequence of the choreography at times (multiple moves in succession for longer periods) which creates big enough of a distraction from the group's synchronization
Very well said and explained perfectly! Ahyeon needs to understand the importance of balance, when she tones it down, she tones down too much and takes the fun away from a good performance look, she almost has no facial expressions. Then when she tones it up, shes over-doing it again. As time passes, she will understand soon and refine her skills and she will be a great performer as time comes!
Tbh while she does overperform in certain parts, lets not pretend that the problem is as big as some people make it out to be. Most of these ”excess expressions and intensity” can only be found when you screen her fancams with a microscope and extensively focus on her whilst mostly she doesn’t look out of place throughout the other parts. Secondly it is hilarious people complain about her hyping up the crowd, like she’s got the many of the killer parts so it makes sense to do that, sure she does it more than the others but her highnotes are during the climaxes of the songs so is it really that out of place as people claim. Regarding the Taipei and Jakarta performances, yeah i can agree she was trying too hard to overpower Ruka but most of the time she has done a good job of staying on level with Ruka so again these two performances shouldn’t be used to claim that this is the rule instead of a few exceptions. Furthermore as you said she has improved a lot and from the fancams i have watched over the past few weeks she fits in with the others really well with her facial expressions and dancing while also being the star she is and acing the performances. The overcriticization of excessive facials or dancing she sometimes does is just disproportional to the severity of them in terms of making the performance enjoyable and so is the critique for overpowering Rukas rapping which doesn’t really happen majority of the time.
IMO there was no problem at all with Ahyeon performing. She wasn’t overdoing it, she was enjoying and giving her all. I LOVED her energy and it is such a shame she started toning down her stage attitude :(
Yh that's the only problem tbh together with Forever. In sheesh and Batter up she can go all out since those songs are energetic. If I see anyone hating on her for sheesh and batter up performances being too much I just wish them hell
@tp5510 why do yall even care so much yes she needs to tone it down and she did but yall are making a too big deal out of stage presence let them just enjoy the stage ffs
Ahyeon is a great performer but she definitely needs to learn to match her group. She could learn a thing or two from Lisa: she's objectively the best performer and dancer in Blackpink, yet you never catch her unsynchronized with her group's energy or overperforming, which is something she could easily do. She understands her member's strengths and weaknesses and matches accordingly. So in conclusion there's definitely room to grow for Ahyeon, and I'm just glad to see a 5th gen idol having fun on stage. Will continue to tune into baemon's stuff to see their improvement
thanks for the video!! im so glad to see that you also consider asa the best performer in the group because a lot of people think otherwise. heavily agree with the comment about chiquita. i genuinely did not understand why ahyeon was criticised while chiquita was everyones favorite performer. like she is most definitely overperforming, why doesnt anyone talk about it??? i mean some people do point out her "goofy" or "too intense" expressions but nobody seemed to have a problem with it which i did not understand
i think that if ur ceo is saying the same thing as ur fans, then it's fs a problem lol, and now she's underperforming a bit and ppl say she may be affected by hate, which yes she may be and i feel terrible but she as much as i love and adore ahyeon, she needs to start reading the room and having the same/similar energy to her members so she doesnt look like a solo artist like ppl say. i get she is the most popular and most known member but it gets to a point
Over performing and now underperforming when she listen to y'all to match the energy of her members lmao y'all, so damn funny 😅 I guess this will be the narrative because y'all used to her energy and suddenly she's matching her members energy now she's underperforming now 😂😂😂😂😂
@@Francheska291 no she’s not and i am not and never have tried to hate bc i love her so much and it’s js constructive criticism from me and thousands on the internet, and i apologize for making it seem like i was hating bc of the wording or tone, i’m saying that yes she has definitely tuned it down a lot but it’s too much bc now it looks like she doesnt wanna be there and she has little to no facial expression and little energy (which i understand could be an effect of hate which i cannot blame her for), but she definitely doesnt match the overall energy of the rest of baemon and i dont want ppl to call her “lazy” like they did w jennie bc ik for a fact ahyeon is such a talented young woman w such a huge future bc she has the personality and looks and talent for it, but the topic of her overdancing and overpowering her members is really gonna hold her back from her huge potential and it’s really sad to see
Criticism ≠ hate and viceversa, I hope people understand the difference in how to share their opinions too. I really like baemon's voices and hope they release music I like in the future bc they're really talented. I'm pretty sure Ahyeon and all of them will only get better with time, practice and experience
when Ahyeon did that toned down performance for Forever, her fans were saying “she lost her spark” and “the hate got to her”, which in and of itself is just, err… but some were also saying that she’s gonna get hate for “lazy” performance, which i have yet to see. literally everyone was talking about how shes GONNA get hate but i never saw anyone actually hating on it. either way, with that point, they’d also use that oh-so familiar phrase “damned if you do, damned if you don’t”,,, 💀 her fans seem to think an artist’s performance is black and white, that there’s only underperforming and overperforming, and not a middle ground of perfection. her fans annoy me so much with their logic, they’re actually ruining Ahyeon for me. i was 100% open to growing to like her but i’m slowly turning into a hater who thinks she’s extremely obnoxious because of her fans.
Tbh I did see some terrible netizens complaining abt how she’s kinda not giving enough energy and isn’t consistent in her preforming. Which although is a problem she has time to learn to be consistent as she’s a young rookie and naturally talented. I do think that ahyeon stand are coddling her too much though. Saying we were wrong for asking a change in energy is unfair. I get some antis will take it too far but not every kpop Stan is automatically a anti because they asked her to try and match the energy of the song.
i hear you, valid points💯. But i honestly would that YG had just debuted her solo! Yes, she'd still need to improve in these areas and more but at least it wouldn't feel like we Hyeonies🧸❤️🔥🍯 (her solo stanfandom) are being starve-deprived of her full potential bcs she has to be in sync with her members all the time and do everything as a group. Plus we'd get even more content from her. Anyway, we each have different opinions so at the very least we should agree to disagree as it's still all mainly subjective at the end of the day. So long as we are being respectful and actually giving constructive criticism, it should be fine. Just don't want certain people to take advantage of her obvious flaws and mistakes to put her down. A lotta disgusting disguised hate-envy being sent her way & i dread what it'll do to her if it keeps growing💔. She might have to go on hiatus due to mental-physical health, or even worse, quit‼️ P.s. Also, i actually like her 'over performing' but i'm clearly biased + other lengthy reasons i'm not ready to type rn💀
2 of my other reasons: 1. With BaeMon i feel like their songs aren't very good (no offense to YG, the producers and certainly not the hardworking n talented girls) bcs i didn't like them initially (every single song except 'Monsters' and 'Like that' which i took to instantly from the audio alone!) until the girls began performing each one but that isn't enough to go on. So imo they shouldn't perform the songs the same way every single time. Ahyeon does something different, and unexpected every performance, which keeps things interesting and exciting that it intrigues me to go listen to the songs again and rewatch their videos. She just elevates the whole show!. i concede that even if it's inappropriate and doesn't quite match the mood, tone and vibe being set. i accept! i still want that unpredictable 'exaggerated' Slayeon energy⚡
2. Watching the same dance routine over and over again makes it lose its charm and spark over time (in my case very quickly). Ahyeonah's something else entirely tho, i'm enthralled and don't want to look away when she's on stage, even if it's not her part. And i'm glad she understands that some of us (mainly her Hyeonies🧸❤️🔥🍯) want to be entertained from the beginning of the performance till the very end. Always craving something fresh and novel! Tired of the same old, same old. If she gives anything less, personally it'll be too boring, bland and non-special for me. Don't want her to fade away trying to 'blend in' w the others (which i honestly feel she already does tbh even if on a 'hyped scale' - same moves at the end of the day, just varying energy, and contrasting styles). No shade or hate to her members, but i only support & watch BM cause she's in it, the other members just don't captivate me as uniquely wonderful as they each and collectively are! P.s. i'd rather they even try to match her energy instead cause i consider her the standard, than vice versa
then your opinion of ahyeon being a solo artist would be better. the whole point of a group is to synchronize, so ahyeon really fits with the solo persona and would prolly do well as a solo artist
I kinda agree, with her talent and charisma, she can debut as a solo artist. Like girl is a perfect all rounder with stable vocals, good rap flow and delivery, amazing sp(like even when she's toned down her performance, all the eyes were on her) and dance. She can definitely debut as a solo artist and I will definitely support our girl.
Initially, I was gonna dismiss your argument. But, after watching the video to the end, you have some valid points there. Curious, since you have a high sensitivity to the performing arts. Do you also have a similar background? Did you have this high sensitivity as a child too? Thank you in advance !
Yes, Ahyeon is overperforming and now ive kind of seen a lot of people saying shes underperforming. But lets remember, 1: shes 17 years old which is not a lot and she probably struggles a little to take critisism, ESPECIALLY when the critisism has been the way it has been. From what ive seen people have been so, so mean to her and im so fucking tired of ppl hiding hate in «critisism»
Good video and analysis of Ahyeon's stage presence. I can agree with some points but not in others. For example, in min 6:15 you talk about the Forever fancam and you say that "she does not match the mood of the song and all that energy is not required". I understan that people think that Forever is a "classy" song. But for me Forever is way more energetic and harder than Sheesh. I found very pleasing and entertaning how Ahyeon dances specifically in the opening of the song. Why? That part of the song literally says "I got no worries on my mind, I can't stop myself, so you can say goodbye. I'll fullfill my fantasy. She's unlike anybody". Forever is about the freedom and liberation that comes with loving your true self the way it is. And I feel every aspect ot that when I see her dancing and with her facial expressions. You can sense that feeling of "giving 0 fucks" and enjoying what she does the way she does it. In the video, you further explain that "the point of stage presence is to give your audience a good time" and I 1000000000% agree with that, but there comes and issue with that and it is : "what happens to the people who actually ENJOYED how Ahyeon performed to begin with?". She needs to change how she performd to please the people who makes valid criticism? Or does she stays performing in the same "intensity" because there are people like me who loved it, but risking enraging more the other side?. The whole issue I have with this whole controversy is that is a dead point, a maze with no exit, no matter what she does noone will ever be happy with her, not even with herself. I do not care if Ahyeon over or underperforms, I just want her to do what she wants, what actually makes her happy to do. And if "being too much" or "overdancing" is what she felt right, why are "you" ( I mean the audience) still watching her? As is mentioned in this video, there are PLENTY of idols that actually perform better than her. To me, loving and caring your favorite group means finding happines and entertainment when they are being their boldest and realest version of themselves. I'm 100% with people stating their opinions, but I feel this talk about Ahyeon is just about people's liking and taste in how a performer should perform. And sadly, you can't satisfy everyone.
Thank you so much for this video. This is exactly what I've been trying to say in the NICEST way possible to the fans that try to shield her from criticism. I always, ALWAYS start of by saying that I do believe she deserves criticism but never hate. She is young, talented, and passionate. She has so much room for improvement! In fact Ahyeon is one of my biases in baemon. Rami and pharita are like one to me, I can't choose 😭 and Asa too bc of her personality and her amazing performances. But I did notice Ahyeon would overdo her moves and facial expressions. I love her facial expressions but sometimes she does them ay the most inconvenient times. Girly adds to much energy into some moves that if she were a soloist, wow! But as a group...well it doesn't look good bc she isn't synchronized with her members. She doesn't find the balance to it. I have so much to say but to top it off I believe that she will open up to the constructive criticism that she's receiving, and make improvements (which she has). But also she shouldn't lose her spark bc of the hate. She is amazing and talented, that being said she shouldn't lose her passion for her job. I just hope that keeps her head up high, face the criticism, and use it to help her improve. Yet once again she does NOT deserve hate. She just needs criticism that will help her improve!
I watched a stage fancam and she does different things than the girls sometimes, like she does extra leg taps and has her head back while no one else does it and already took two steps while her head is still back
One thing that really aggrevated me when i was trying to reason with Ahyeon stans was that some of them keep saying "oh shes having fun let her have fun" as an excuse for her to overperform. Great vid by the way
I totally agree with you! Because like that has a calmer setting tone vibe but there's some moves where Ahyeon put a bit too much energy. Really, she should practice how to not use too much and too little energy and then she will find the right balance to fit with the others. Some people say she puts too much energy because of her dance style but that doesn't mean anything, because there's groups where the members have completely different dance styles but they still find the right balance to fit each other's open spots.
What I just love about rose is that even if she falls short slightly in body language but to be honest her movements are my favorite particularly in (Yonce dance cover stage) the way rose dances there is so addictive she has rhythm and a little seducing when setting the mood of the song which makes it more good since that's the mood of the song. Rose dancing may not be excellent but its unique and not over the top dancing and its her style, yes she is stiff at times but its not bizarre to watch and bothering unlike ahyeon's body language turning the aggressive.
I defend San's overperforming because it fits the songs and doesn't ruin the group's chemistry, Ahyeon on the other hand makes BBM look unorganized and out of sync. literally the most important thing about dancing in a group is being in sync
@@Francheska291 What exactly is misogynist about op's comment? They're right. Ateez have an intense concept and music, so San's "Overperforming" suits Ateez. Not only that but he doesn't "overperforms" to the point that it messes with the group's chemistry. He never looks out of place during any of their performances. Can't say the same about Ahyeon. San also got hate for overperforming. Stans complained, saying he looked possessed, cringy, and even dragged his stans for defending him. Since then, he’s toned it down a bit and improved his stage presence a lot, fitting in better with the group. So no, this is not a gender issue. 🙄
When I saw her forever fancam I can see pharita beside her and man the difference 😭 It wasn't like pharita was under performing it was ahyeon all the way around being aggressive with the steps☠️
I have to appreciate the amount of research you put into these videos. I mean, I already knew, but this is another video where I came in with bias. I knew I was overcompensating against Ahyeon haters by putting the constructive critics in the same category because even I was wary of Ahyeon over performance at first. But I still didn't like others saying it outloud. Either way I'm glad for these clarifications and examples. It's important to understand Babymon is a rookie group they have time to improve and use these experiences to learn and grow. Thanks for this video
Dude, I really wish that Ahyeon finds a balance between overperforming and underperforming. JUST READ THE STAGE PRESCENCE AHYEON!! Also when I heard the dance coach say Ahyeon had control, I was pissed because Ahyeon clearly does not know how to find balance between energy and relaxed dance moves
You are not a professional dancer to begin with. And actual real people. Who watch them love the way she performance. She not a robotic. Idols who will just do the same fccking routine it boring and lifeless at the end of the day Ahyeon know how to enjoy the stage which y'all ba hating but actual people who went and paid and professional people loves her talent and skills and her stage presence no wonder she always have the loudest crowd.
@@elizabethc8478 nah that's y'all want to begin with the fact that she's matching the energy of her member she lifeless now? but when she is doing her own thing being happy on stage, she's over dancing 😂
Long comment, lol 😅 How I see it is that Ahyeon would had naturally gotten more in sync with the other members once she got over her excitement of finally debuting, after all she debuted after the other girls because of her health. And I figure this because if you watch the Like That exclusive performance (think that's what it's called) you can see she's in sync with her members but the live version she clearly got a bit too much. 😅 I do love her and and can understand she got a bit too much in the dance for Like That. But I still think she would have calmed down over a bit of time herself. She really didn't need criticism or hate for it. However, her rapping or more like screaming definitely needs work, and criticism was so needed. That's at least my viewpoint on this. Did always question Chiquita, though.
I gotta say I've never looked at stage presence this way. All the things u said abt Ahyeon and other idols were things i never noticed. You quite literally notice the unnoticed. And explained it REALLY well too. Will look forward to ur other videos🤗
I don't get or understand why this comment section is making it look like she was acting childish due to criticisms. People did not only criticize, they hated,sent mean comments and threatened her!!!!!! You can imagine.....i replied to an Instagram user asking her what exactly her problem with ahyeon is(note that:in the video where she insulted ahyeon, it was the one of her coming out of an airport. She wasn't performing) And guess what she said: she said that she wont have any problem despising ahyeon for the rest of her life. That as long as that company is giving ahyeon rap verses and not taking ahyeon verses and adding it to the ones Ruka has,she will threaten her all she wants. So what do you call it? Criticism? Does that reply fall under the criticism theory?🤨🤨🤨🤨
Initially I wanted to reply welcome to k-pop to your comments and leave it at that. But if you genuinely watched the video, she mentioned that she is not trying to downplay the hate that ahyeon is getting or got due to the overperforming, but rather trying to touch on the flaws she had in her performance. We are all humans and sometimes we have flaws in things we do, even in our career. It could be due to being too overzealous in our passion doing what we enjoy(which could/may be the problem of ahyeon's Overperformance) but we are not above criticism. Also concerning the hate comments on her Instagram, welcome to k-pop, where they somehow manage to take every atom of genuine critism and turn it into a hate train, like leseraffim members, blackpink members, and every other idol that was ever genuinely and honestly just criticized. It's just a circle in k-pop that seems to be neverending. it's unfortunate and frustrating/disrespectful, insulting and annoying to both their fans and the idols themselves. It has become so normalized that a lot kstans(even the idols themselves)are unable to differentiate between criticism and hate . So in summary that comment on Instagram simply doesn't like ahyeon and is using this one flaw that's being genuinely criticized by some people as a "justifiable" reason to spread hate and negativity, Sorry for the rant.
Tell me I'm not the only one who think that ahyeon is definitely not a rapper. sorry for that. you just give someone random talking thing and that's "rap" ? didn't know that haha. just forget about flows, delivery and everything. just label them as "rappers" that's it
@@Sammmm85 imo I think Ahyeon is a good rapper. The thing is that her rapping style doesn’t fit every song. I thought her rap in Sheesh was fine but in Forever it felt out of place. I think her best rapping performance was her Sway With Me cover. And I just believe she’s a better singer than rapper and Yg should just let Ruka and Asa do the rapping in their songs.
@@brendatorres2139 exactly. agree on this. she is really a very good vocalist despite being young. and she will definitely improve more in the future. real rappers, vocalists and dancers should get their deserving parts respectfully
It amazes me how much money and experience YG has, and can not provide this feedback to their performers? Unless this is on purpose and they want "bad" publicity. This makes me appreciate Wony and Yujin's talent, they seem to really know their faces.
Do you think the idols themselves don't see all the criticisms they face.I think time and experience is what is needed and also concept and type of song plays in all this.
@@mavisamevorshie1302 Some idols need more time perfecting their skills, but this is not about the girls, is about the company! They should listen FIRST to this feedback from professionals, that's YG's JOB. However, the more I think about it, the more it feels like they are doing it on purpose.
@@Francheska291 Girl people have EYES, and this issue has been mentioned by many. It is impossible not to face criticism, personally I just wish YG provides the support they need to thrive and polish their skills before they get hate.
I think you all are nit picking too much... My only answer is, what are the roles of the people you are nit picking... To think the girls have not practiced this hundreds of times together is just bizarre. Stop pitting members against each other.
all this video is just full of CASH GRABBING CONTENTS the fact that they are on the same pace of releasing contents from AHYEON is so damn funny as well. while REAL PROFESSIONALS out there who watch AHYEON singing and dancing have so much praised for her, and they find all this hate hilarious and sad at the same time
this. this is what (most) monsteiz agree with. rather than "shes so attention-seeking" or "now shes being childish", and even "you guys just dk what's good stage presence", this 20-minute long video is probably exactly what both fans & haters need to hear. over on tiktok a lot of haters DO point out ahyeon's sharpness, but the problem was that they were tryna do it in a nasty way. like a "she doesn't know what's she's doing 💀" kind of way. then when she tones it down they say she's "giving nothing". but some of the more sane critics are more patient and are more calmer with their explanations/suggestions on how ahyeon could improve herself. im so glad that this video is here just in case anyone needs a helpful guide on how to identify criticism from hate
That's why only singers who are over 18 should debut in groups. They will have more awareness and maturity. Awareness of working with the group and other members and it will be easier for them to deal with criticism and hate from the media and fans. Instead we have Ahyeon, who debuted at 16, and Chiquita, who was 15. They are children. I am surprised that fans support this. If a group debuts with a 15-year-old, they should not be supported. Do not promote these groups. Write letters to their agencies about this matter to wait with the debut of people of that age - they can add them later like it was with Red Velvet. This is what should be criticized, not the appearance of the singer or their private opinions.
Jihyo, Wonyoung, & Yujin are some of my favorite idols to watch perform. I feel like they all improve constantly too which I really appreciate. It’s easy to get complacent when you’re already good
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Accusing someone who's critiquing your favs of having "low standards" isn't the argument people think it is. Like, what does it say when I have such low standards and this idol still doesn't measure up?
Yeah this video is just critiquing not hating there is a different between that and hate
She needs to find a balance. Even YG told her to perform in a calmer way.
No no that's not what Yg Said. Yg told her to tone her gestures down during her rap, not her performance. Use ur ears
@@RUKA_BABYMONST7R whatever the fuck he said you can't tell me that this doesn't look better in general
@Kim_ChaewonIsLife and that means the same thing as performing more calmly. use your comprehension skills
@@starlicate it was literally for 1 performance💀 use ur brain
@@RUKA_BABYMONST7R I never said it wasn't. I just said there's no difference between what you and the commenter said despite you trying to correct him. did you get dropped on your head when you were a baby or smth ?
To the ppl who say “ it’s better than under performing “..no it’s not. You need to find the balance, that’s literally why you’re an idol. The way she dances just doesn’t match the song either
I agree. In a group over or under is a weakness. Cohesive is the point. Go solo if you want to do your own thing or show off. It’s not a good look for that person imo
@@Yourdailydoseofsarcasm
I understand that she needs to dance like the other members in the Dance Performance, MV etc (she does) but I think it's okay to have fun and dance with more energy on stage...
Yeahhh
Fr just bcz we don't like Ahyeon's stage presence doesn't mean we like Tzuyu's stage presence ☠️
@@Hellokitty_391 This has nothing to do with Tzuyu, don’t bring her into this
So glad I'm not the only one who thinks asa is the best performer in baemon
Oh naw me too! Asa* is a gem! I love the performances she gives it's so pleasing to see!
@@Hello-ed2ym ur autocorrect did not play nice today 😭😭😭
@@Hello-ed2ym I think you spelt Asa wrong bae
@@wheresgab. Yoooooo I just realized omfggg ☠️☠️☠️☠️ it always autocorrects 😭😭 I forgot to double check ☠️😭
@@zuhafilmsserafim u don't think hun, I did 😭😭☠️☠️
You pointed out so many things about stage presence and facial expressions on stage that I never noticed :) I also figured that Asa was the best performer, and couldn’t quite understand why Chiquita and Ahyeon’s performances (facial expressions in particular) were a bit off. You’ve explained everything nicely. Thank you!
Fr asa is like perfectly stable with everything dance,raps and facial expressions ❤
yeah , personally asa seems to have a good balance of perfomance skills ( strong dance , stage presence etc )
Asa and ruka are great performers❤❤
Thank you for talking about this. I saw fan cams and people in the comments would keep saying that people are dramatic for thinking she is over performing. When Ahyeon toned down, she toned down to much. I feel she needs to find a balance in the middle. Since she is a very new idol, there is a lot of room for improvement. When she tones it down, she takes everything that made the performance fun and bad away. When she tones it back up and puts everything bad and good back in front of your face. Balance is so so so important. Luckily for Ahyeon, she is in a 7 member group so she isn’t immediately labeled as a wannabe soloist compared to if she was in a 4 member group. Ahyeon is new and just needs more training and more experience in a industry.
(I apologize if any of my grammar is poor, it’s 10 AM for me and I’m on a road trip with 1 hour of sleep.)
Please rest
Maybe when you spend money to see them perform like those who do then you'll find yourself in the vast minority. Otherise, your claim is as solid as anyone accusing your of wasting oxygen.
@@Everythingz127I sleep in the car after writing this lol, thank you for caring. ❤
when she toned down too much people were also like "you guys broke her, now she will be the jennie you guys really want her to be" LIKE UHM???
She's back to her energetic self and belting with all her might in the Kobe fanmeet. It's a BIG FU to all her "constructive criticism" and the cesspool who actually believed she'd tone down over them lol. The Seoul Finale is next and she's going to explode performing her first concert in her home country.
Ahyeon was def overperforming, like when ur in a group you have to be synchronized so the criticism was definetly valid.Also, the shouting was really annoying,I really like the way she's peforming now that she is synchronized cm with the members.
Not everyone was criticizing, literally immature people were hating and calling her names.
So it's not criticism this time,it was hating and threats
@@DivajulieActualy it was critisizm for the most, I know she did receive a lot of hate for other thing and ppl were calling her names, but critisizm for her overperfoming is valid.
THE STAGE PRESENCE VIDEOS ARE BACK🥳🥳🥳🥳
@@Divajulie Not everyone is sending hate though so it’s isn’t just hate and threats. Just cause people ARE sending hate and threats doesn’t mean you just overlook the constructive criticism that people are genuinely showing because they know that they can do better. They are a talented group so of course people would want to see them show how talented they are in the best ways which is why pushing away constructive criticism just cause they are getting hate from OTHER people is NOT okay because you are making it look to them that they are okay where they are. We want them to improve and keep improving not for them to stagnate.
@@jazzyedwards3871 if they are not improving just watch another group. Whats the problem there are so many. You just want to find trouble. You dont like them watch others. Why are you so obsessed with them. You must have someone you like there plus soneone you hate there too. Split them up. Just watch yr favourite fan cam.
Underperforming sucks, but overperforming also sucks. The point is that there is a balance that you need to match, especially in the rap part of Sheesh, where they're a duo.
3:19 Hold up, "Mentahyeoned?"
Yeah there's a bunch of "ahyeons" in words all through the video for some reason? 😭
@@blueberrysblues probably intentional, just for fun maybe?
@@teamanisongirlblogg Yeah probably, it's pretty funny
@blueberrysblues everglow up said that since the captions picked up ahyeon as ion, everglow up made it so that ion would automatically correct to ahyeon. But the filter made everything that had the letter I, o, and n turn to ahyeon
Let me try to find all of them
3:19 Mentahyeoned
3:47 Informatahyeon
8:56 Relatahyeon
16:18 Definitahyeon
16:56 Attentahyeon
(Those were the only ones I could find)
idk I like it it's funny
as a MONSTIEZ and a ahyeon bias i’ve noticed the over performing ever since their evolutions before debut. but let me tell you once she learns how to balance herself she will definitely be the best performer of her generation 100%. her potential and passion is insane
hope you don’t get hate from the fandom though because they get butthurt whenever someone has an opinion different than theirs
I legit agree. Ahyeon being one of my tops I love how she performs she (like all the other members) is unique. But she needs to find her balance. That being said she doesn't deserve hate, js some constructive criticism! She's a rookie and she's new. She's passionate about her job and I hope she doesn't lose her spark. She has so much room and time for improvement. You got this Ahyeon!
Exactly.
She so much talent but she need to control her energy and how sharp she be with dances are certain moments.
"Best performer of her generation " have you even seen other 5th gen idol performer they are much better and aldreay so good ....so stop over exaggerating everything
@@garimasuhani7227 mad hater energy😂🫶
i really hate how yg's trying to insert ahyeon and chiquita in the rapping parts .like asa and ruka is enough really......they both are trained rappers,good performers , good dancers, with good chemistry...like why is chiquita being shown in asa's part ?
They're trying to make Ahyeon and Chiquita the next Jennie and Lisa.
@@rahime7269 if a rapper can sing, why can't a vocal rap? You mean a vocal cannot rap but a rapper can sing eg.Asa?
@@Yo99753 just admit you are a hater for Ahyeon.
@@JohnnyChng-ym7ef I'm not a hater. It's pretty obvious that Yg is pushing both of them.
@@Yo99753this is literally what I thought since Ahyeons overperforming thingy started
I just noticed a pretty big error in the video. When doing the captions, I used the "find and replace" tool to exchange "ion" with Ahyeon" since that was the way the captions were picking up her name. I didn't notice that it replaced EVERY word with the letters " i o n" in it. lmao, I'm really sorry about that. will double check next time 😭
It's okay! Didn't even notice. Appreciate the apology though🫶 .And i applaud you for your efforts👏
@@MiloPulse she literally said that she isnt a fan of babymonster but not really a hater either
@@MiloPulse when did I say I stopped stanning lsm?? literally when? also I JUST said I am not a babymonster fan 💀 are you genuinely okay?
@@MiloPulse gurl get out of your dream
@@everglowupcan you do a video on Rora's potential and mistreatment because I'm starting to feel like YG is hiding her talents
people comparing this to jennie’s 2017-2020 hate train is one of the worst takes i’ve seen about this topic
Ppl live to compare
I've seen people comparing the similar complaints of "lazy dancing." I'd say that's valid since the level of micromanagement is insane amongst Knetizens.
Talking about a rap duo, i know blackpink is more commerical but I really like lisa and jennie's chemistry. Their individual stage presence differs so much but their chemistry together is a treat to watch. Atleast for me.
@@Ruchi5297
Me too gurl , they always match so good together
Bc they actually match each other’s energy and they try they don’t over do it❤😊
People comparing her over dancing to jihyo’s might be the worst thing
it's more like san in ateez's imo. both san and ahyeon are good performers, but when it takes away from the group performance and synchronization, that's when it's an issue
right bringing jihyo in here (tsuki too btw) is crazy cuz she is a genius at performing.
Jihyo is known as God Jihyo for her excellent stage presence. Ahyeon is a good performer but she needs to tone down her dancing ( I didn't mean to say that she should underperform ) . I am glad that she is taking the criticism in a positive way . I love her passion and dedication towards her job . It means that she takes her job as an idol seriously.
@that imo tsuki is overrated asf she’s clearly not trained
@@Zainab-gd6xt not trained?
I get the sense that Ahyeon doesn't know HOW to control her energy. She has the ability to refine her craft, but she might've debuted too early. Given another 2-3 years to really train and control her talent, Ahyeon would've been a perfectly polished artist. Unfortunately, she's a bull in a china shop right now. She has the most potential in Baby Monster along with Chiquita, but they haven't finished their training imo.
Btw, I totally agree Asa is the best performer in BM. I wasn't too keen on her initially, but after watching their Forever stages, I realized she has complete control over her aura. Girl doesn't need to try hard, yet her monstrous confidence and talent just oozes out of her eyes.
Yeah I agree Chiquita has the most potential but she needs a few more years to fully live up to it
Finally someone calls out Chiquita. I have always known something was off and people are out here saying she has the best facial expressions
She's giving Camila Cabello trying to over shadow fifth harmony but sticking out like a sore thumb
Ok but Camila can't sing nor dance though. Girlie really didn't need to do that much. 😭
@@inplane9970 the fact that the other girls just sounded more ear-friendly, Camila's high voice can be quite irritating sometimes 💀
@@inplane9970 camila and her fans literally gaslighted everyone into believing that she’s the talented main character and other members are just jealous of her💀
when you said "it's almost like she's not doing anything and then she remembers 'i'm on stage and i need to perform'".....i honestly think that's it. the other members comment on how she's notorious for flipping her hair and zoning out. it lowkey makes me worried about her, esp because she debuted late for mental health reasons :(
@@fanofbagels she had said multiples times she zones out a lot so that's why it's like when she is dancing she gets a burst of energy out of nowhere . Could be her mental health issues as well. I'm sure she will find a balance as long as she keeps growing and learning.
Honestly it's understandable in my opinion. Ahyeon is over performing BECAUSE she is new. She is excited to be a performer and I think its okay considering She has fixed it now and seems more sycronised. However apparently now people are calling her lazy for toning down. Idk much about this situation, I was on the really positive side of Ahyeon's overdancing where people agreed and were surprisingly very mature about it and also said it's understandable because she is new.
She use to over perform in last evaluation too
@@garimasuhani7227 Performing for evaluation in front of a few judges is different from performing on stage in front of thousands of people. These girls only just debuted less than a year ago, so they are still very new in this industry. As they keep performing together, they will eventually find the right balance, but it might takes a few years to get there.
No one is calling her lazy, her fans want haters to do it so they will ne justified to call the situation a "hate train" .
@lorenavieira2503 That's not true, i've seen a ton of people calling her lazy for toning down her dancing
I miss your stage presence videos hope we get more
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I feel like some fans don't accept a drop off criticism about Ahyeon's performance because they may feel like "the haters won," but I should remind them that two things can be true at the same time. NO, she doesn't deserve threats, insults, hate, and everything that she received, BUT she was, in fact, overperforming.
YES, overperforming exists. If the choreo says, "lift your leg in an L position up to your hip" but you kick so hard your leg ends up straight and over your waist, the dance is going to look messy and you're going to look uncoordinated compared to the rest of the group.
It seems that Ahyeon has a problem managing her energy since even the director of the MV told her to tone down a bit her expressions during the filming. She's just a teenager, she'll learn with time and experience.
I also feel that over the time, idols have been receiving so much unjustified hate that now fans jump even at valid times of criticism just to protect them, but people need to identify the valid points of certain criticism, or more idols will become like Sakura and her inability to accept that she needs to improve and not just and exclusively have fun on stage independently of the audience experience.
Your comment deserves to be pinned! This is exactly how i feel about Ahyeonah and i'm a die-hard Hyeonie🧸❤️🔥🍯. i agree with every word💯
We just wanna protect her, but know that she has to improve in certain areas. And yes, there is such a thing as over-performing. And yes, Ahyeon did that at times. i liked it though💀
Edit: P.s. Your disclaimer at the beginning is sending me for no reason😂
@wunmiidris7871 Thank you! I feel like she's a great idol, but like every rookie (and even veterans) she needs some polishing, but she can't improve if we just blindly clap at everything she does. I really want to see her finding balance in the future👏
Very true!
YG told her to do a specific step with less energy during the Dance Performance (which is normal since they must be "perfect" in the MV, Dance Performance...) but in my opinion it's okay to over perform on stage because she's just enjoying it.
Btw of course I respect your opinion ❤
yay a stage presence video!!
We thank the lord for Asa and Rora
The fact that they almost left the group
@@Roach_EntertainmentOFFICIAL yeah .. yg is stupid for almost making the group without them like asa is the ace and main rapper , best dancer along with ruka...rora is main vocal and main visual..like how could he do this to them..
Asa is getting her recognition as she deserves it but people really love to discredit rora every time. she is such an amazing performer at such a young age
Rora the main visual?? Yeah, I really don’t think so lol
@@nidemens your opinion doesn't matter here. and no one is forcing you to agree. cuz beauty is subjective. and that person was saying it according to kbs. not from everyone's pov
Ahyeon is just so excited to finally be in her idol era… she’s learning as she goes but she needs to not let it get into her head too much as to where she is underperforming like no take criticism and just enjoy yourself because now you’ll be looking for attention being the “lazy dancer”
Well if you see her performance she find is very hard to find balance.... beacuse now she is toning it down tooo much
@@garimasuhani7227really just give her some time it's not been like a year...
Nah because these behaviors will cause BM to have the same solo stan problem as BP. They are young and hopefully will be able to improve based on this criticism.
chiquita is praised for being an amazing performer and while she's def talented I also think her facial expressions feel very over the top a lot. the dance break in forever is a good example of what I mean, asa's rap sounds smooth and cool while chiquita is dancing very forcefully and aggressive and it feels off. ahyeon is performing a lot better now after the critques, though I do think its weird how ahyeon and chiquita are regarded as the "most born to be idols" out of the group, YG clearly has an agenda of who he plans on making superstars and his bias has seeped into the general publics to where they're blinded to any flaws these girls might have
I agree most people are not judging the actual performance...they are judging the performance based on the pre narrative that yg created...which sucks yk...cuz yg is so freaking biased towards ahyeon, Chiquita, pharita.,ever since their last evaluation
Rora is literally invisible to him lol. and now in forever he did rami dirty
@@Sammmm85 ikr .im a asa bias but i just feel sad to see rora's potential is being wasted ..yeah in fanmeet batter up they gave 90% rami's linee and centertime to ahyeon ..which was kinda weird yk...i hope in full album ot7 would get to shine equally..
I've been seeing a boat load of Ahyeon stans labeling everything they see hate, when in fact Ahyeon IS overdoing it. But in time she can improve, I really can't wait to see how much she grows. ❤😊
I used to perform with someone similar in a school band, and we were constantly criticised because our vocalists (there were 3 or 4 at a time including me) were not performing cohesively and one member was just screeching. She often tried to sing louder than us or just loudly in general, and she just ended up screaming. And even then she was labelled as passionate, and the rest of the band just had to deal with it and try and figure out how to make the song sound good. Last straw was when she started singing all of the wrong lyrics in the wrong order, other vocalists tried to sing with her, correcting her and taking over to put the song back on track (this was a live performance on stage) but she continued to sing the wrong lyrics confidently, increasing her volume so no one could hear the rest of us, and we all were just kind of stood there not knowing what to do. Over performing doesn't mean someone isn't talented, it simply means they need to tone it down and blend in so they can give a satisfactory performance. Because at the end of the day you are letting your team down.
I love listening to your thoughts and video essays. It's refreshing to hear someone using critical thinking and giving genuine perspectives on various topics, rather than following the herd mentality. Most videos claiming to present 'unpopular opinions' often lack research, individual thoughts, and seem to be made just for shock value.
Agreed.
i was gaslighting my self that maybe I'm the one in the wrong because I really didn't enjoy Ahyeon in Sheesh since everyone was praising her. her high notes rubbed me in the wrong way. forever is better tho
I'd rather another member got the Sheesh high note more icl but it was nice seeing her get the note on her first release. I want Ahyeon to find her balance and get high notes later in her career so she can properly 'prove' herself as a performer. She is good, yes, but she can get better which we've already seen in Forever as you've pointed out already.
So you only hated her because she received a lot of attention???
I strongly agree with this, as they work as a group, the balance is really the crucial part they need to fix to make the performance looks better, I hope they learn better and better because there so much potential for babymonster in every aspect
ASA IS THE ONE WHO GOT ME INTO KPOP...Ever since i started watching their fancams..i enjoyed ASA'S fancam the most., im glad you talked about asa's phenomenal stage presence people are sleeping on her sp.she is the most consistent performer of the group, has great control over her expressions, great camera awareness, has the best theotrical presence in the group..also i love how she can match their vibes ..when she is dancing next to pharita she can match her elegant dancing, whereas when dancing with ahyeon she can match her energetic dancing as well..asa has the type of swag which is effortlessly cool 😎., she is the most versatile in the group too..she can be elegant,cool,sensual, powerful.especially in her look alive remix performance she is so cool...she can sing, dance, rap, compose songs..she is such a ACE fr ❤❤... ACESA THE WOMAN YOU ARE ❤
I'm so happy see another stage presence video again. I'd love a video discussing only soloists in this topic or a more detailed analysis on idols who have improved their stage presence (perhaps include ones who were part of your stage presence struggle bus video if appropriate).
she's still a rookie idol, she needs more practical stage performance to work with the group to understand her role and position in order to enhance the group's performance, then she will shines with her talents more and more, just give her room to grow, she will surprise you
If we are "hating" for telling Ahyeon to calm down a bit since it makes the groups looks unbalanced.
Than is Yang Hyun Suk also hating on her for telling her to tone it down as well?
The guy who created the group.
Y'all clearly dont understand what YG said to Ahyeon 😅 that's the same person and the same video he said be energetic lmao 😅 and this was the same person who said to them be LOUD so the audience will get hype 😅
Taking things out of context to bash Ahyeon. The one talking is the worst hater.
Hater stop spreading misinformation
some idols want their viral moment or viral fancam without caring that it doesn't look good overall as a group or sounds good in their song.
But it's not to look at the whole group
I feel she's always been compared to Jennie, which is why she feels an immense pressure to give it girl energy. She's a talented a young lady, but yeah, you're right, she just needs time. Fans are putting a lot of pressure on her from the get go. She's just a bb and learning.
I felt this way as well. I kept seeing videos saying Chiquita and Ahyeon were baby monsters best performers. But I've always seen them as Baby Monsters middle of the road performers better than say Rora or Pharita (who are both actually pretty good) but not as good as Rami, Ruka and Asa. This makes a lot of sense because Chiquita really does sometimes feel all over the place especially in Forever. Also since Rami and Ahyeon share parts in Like That and Forever, it actually feels all the more obvious how much more precision and control Rami has. The performances of OT6 batter up have always seemed stronger than OT7, in part because Rami was a much more balanced center and her energy wasn't off putting. I guess I just feel like Asa (and Ruka) are the standouts and Rami balances them with the rest of the group which has not quite perfected it's performance craft.
Yeah...that's why I think ruka and ASA rapping as a duo works better than ruka and ahyeon cuz ruka and asa has that kinda chemistry when rapping together even though they have different rap styles...ASA follows the rhythm that ruka sets instead of overpowering..also asa smoothly transitions into the 2nd pre chorus by altering the rhythm of her rap..which is so satisfying...
@@jagadeeswarirajesh6486 I agree I really like either rora -> rami vocal connections or rami pharita vocal work for the same reason the three just have great chemistry together
@@AnnGoldey agree..in forever ahyeon was doing adlibs when Rami was singing..the meaning of adlibs is that it should support from the background of whoever is singing... whereas ahyeon's adlibs in forever is a little loud than Rami who is actually singing the lines in the centre.😭..it felt weird but I didn't say anything.cuz I know her stans will bash me.
@@jagadeeswarirajesh6486 yes and you don't feel like that when rami is doing ad-libs in like that because she really balances energy
@@AnnGoldey yeah..a funny thing is that her toxic fans are saying that other members are underperforming and they need to match ahyeon's energy ..like wtf...that doesn't make any sense.. ahyeon is a rookie ..she will certainly improve overtime...
Been waiting to hear your thoughts on this topic.
Its actually crazy how silly people are. Ahyeon needs to stop thinking she needs to reach Jennie's level and be herself. She needs to match the pace of the team not make them seem like they are underperforming. Tbh she'd do so much better without rap lines. Ruka and Asa definitely fit that role and there is no need for another one who mostly screams than rapping. Either way, anyone saying its not true, just refuse to see and open their eyes and ears. We dont hate Ahyeon, we just comment on her exaggerated performances.
tbh I'm not a fan of her vocals either she just naturally has a screechy tone it's very obvious YG is tryna push her as an all rounder and I find it very unfair to the rap duo ruka asa and Rami rora as well who are clearly more skilled and have controlled techniques while singing high notes ahyeon just ends up screaming and her natural tone being that way makes it sound 10 times worse
she is talented when she sings in mid range higher ranges bring the worst out of her tone
@@wioletwoes I agree. Not to say Ahyeon isn't talented (she is) but I think other members (particularly Asa) are better suited to be an all rounder and Ahyeon needs just a little bit more control over her vocals because I find she ends up forcing highr notes too much and strains her voice. I was the same before I started my professional lessons and now my voice is 10x better for it. I find it sad how overshadowed other members talents are, as they truly are gems.
another thing i don't like is after she got criticism for overperforming, she intentionally underperformed and her fans called her savage but honestly it's just plain petty and immature. yeah, yeah she's a minor but come on? she chose this path. being an idol is a job so I feel like people asking her to do her job right is extremely valid but she responds so unprofessionally.
In addition to her overperfoming, Ahyeon's lack of control over her power causes her to do completely different moves.
I think she knows that she uses too power as in music videos she tones down her dance and facials so that it fits the other members. I think she does it on purpose during perfomances as no one can really stop her or tell her to calm down unlike in MV shouts.
kpop stans (4thgen,3thgen) got use to covid contents (pre recorded stage, no audience stage, fancams, tiktoks) but now that we have concert, fanmeet, lives, festivals, we can see and hear who stick out in a good or a bad way. Performing at inkigayo where idols have an individual facecam and close up shots is different than performing at their fanmeet: there'll be close ups of their face on the big screen during their part but most of the audience will focus on the full group performing on the stage. if it doesn't look cohesive then it's a bad performance for the whole group.
First of all, I like Ahyeon as much as the others BM who are among the best of their generation. That said, your analysis is very "eye opening": it is not her having more "passion" (what I tought first) but her being unaware of presence mistakes she does on stage (and by the way, she doesn't overperform in any MV). I hope the staff will help her to improve it quickly and that we will get to see all of them shine on stage.
Many idols need to understand the song they are performing more cus some idols you can tell they don’t really get the lyrics.
Ahyeon overpreforming shows how much she doesn’t understand the song and how certain sound mood should affect her dance and face.
Like that have a very casual sound to it so her doing so much with her facials and her moves make her look messy and aggressive. Especially cus she is an attention grabber anyway so for her to do a lot anyway when she stands out anyway just makes the group look like they can’t preform together.
Love the video Ofcourse
What is the lyrics of FOREVER? 😊 it seem you guys are the one who clearly doesn't understand anything
@@Francheska291 Forever is a very carefree empowerment song... Obvi
So what's ur point
@@AUGHHHHHBBG so I will ask you again does AHYEON understand the lyrics of the song? you said came from your own words "CAREFREE AND EMPOWERMENT SONG"
@@Francheska291 Oh my god I remember u… But anyway outside of that u still can’t spell for ish cus “Does ahyeon didn’t understand”
Like this is a painful read.
Let’s try again and reread ur comment
@@AUGHHHHHBBG instead of answering my simple question even it's a broken English or with autocorrection you want to be the English major so bad makes me cringed. even 10 years old will get what I'm trying to say. and police your own English as well before coming at someone else.
I will ask you again does AHYEON understand the lyrics? based on your own understanding the song is CARFREE AND EMPOWERMENT.
i agree with every second of this video. you said all of the things i've been wanting to say for a while lol. ahyeon has good facial expressions but for stage presence, timing plays a great role too. during their sheesh's performances, sometimes it felt like she was performing as a soloist. i'm glad that yang hyunsuk talked about it though. its not just the facial expressions but also her dance or i would say how she expresses some movements. babymon is still a new group, i'm not a fan but i look forward to their future plans a lot bc they are really talented. babymonster has a long future ahead and i'd love to see what more they can showcase. i hope ahyeon doesn't take the criticism to heart and just see it as a weakness which needs to be improved.
you got some good point but personally I rather watch and enjoy something "too much" than "not enough"🤷♀🤷♀
I really liked this stage presence video abt ahyeon, it was very insightful especially when i was one of the people that thought she was overperforming, im a big fan of your stage presence archetype videos so im really excited to see what you have in store for the rest of the baby monster members, if you plan on making a video abt that no stress
I also think asa is the best performer in the group
When your own CEO has to come and tell you to tone it down then you're doing something wrong.
the same CEO said to them be more energetic then they are doing something wrong and one is doing it right
Yeah regardless, a CEO's opinion isn't the most reliable. They're not the ones overseeing the individual performances and how each member does in a group. If anything, the ones who choreographed the dance has the best opinion on how much energy should be in the dance.
I don't like how she toned down her dancing too much and with look bored during recent performances. She didn't improve her performance, but rather started barely doing anything at all. Its like she's being petty.
She has often at points looked bored, disinterested, sad and even angry. The others seem to ignore her moods and carry on around her. Only God knows what's going on here.
You can’t call someone petty just because she is now dancing with less energy, you don’t know Ahyeon so don’t make comments like that, she only debuted 3 months ago tf
I really don’t wanna pull out “the hate comments got to her 😭 “ card out but.. Wasn’t her debut delayed in the first place because of her health? Nobody really knows what’s happening but I don’t think I’d be surprised..
This may not relate to the video exactly, but on the OT7 version of "Batter Up", Ahyeon's entrance seems to me to come out of nowhere. It's like they JUST remembered that she was still in BABYMONSTER and thought, "We need to put her in the song somewhere."
Very well said. Glad someone make a video addressing this situation cz it has become a situation where we don't want to get involved because there're 2 toxic parts debating on this. Each and every word you said is very well balanced with no hate. Thanks for the video. I think those toxic fans should listen to this video from the beginning to the end.
honestly i don't even mind the addition of hair/head whips and what not, i just think that her accenting of the beats and variations in energy distribution are what make her stick out like a sore thumb sometimes (though those skills in themselves are actually great, when used correctly); theres nothing wrong with adding your own personal flare to a choreography but often times idols do it in very specific instances while remaining relatively textbook for the rest, while ahyeon variates from the others throughout an entire sequence of the choreography at times (multiple moves in succession for longer periods) which creates big enough of a distraction from the group's synchronization
Oh, a new stage presence video???
That's the difference between debuting an minor vs debuting a well matured woman
Rubbish
Very well said and explained perfectly! Ahyeon needs to understand the importance of balance, when she tones it down, she tones down too much and takes the fun away from a good performance look, she almost has no facial expressions. Then when she tones it up, shes over-doing it again. As time passes, she will understand soon and refine her skills and she will be a great performer as time comes!
Tbh while she does overperform in certain parts, lets not pretend that the problem is as big as some people make it out to be. Most of these ”excess expressions and intensity” can only be found when you screen her fancams with a microscope and extensively focus on her whilst mostly she doesn’t look out of place throughout the other parts. Secondly it is hilarious people complain about her hyping up the crowd, like she’s got the many of the killer parts so it makes sense to do that, sure she does it more than the others but her highnotes are during the climaxes of the songs so is it really that out of place as people claim. Regarding the Taipei and Jakarta performances, yeah i can agree she was trying too hard to overpower Ruka but most of the time she has done a good job of staying on level with Ruka so again these two performances shouldn’t be used to claim that this is the rule instead of a few exceptions. Furthermore as you said she has improved a lot and from the fancams i have watched over the past few weeks she fits in with the others really well with her facial expressions and dancing while also being the star she is and acing the performances. The overcriticization of excessive facials or dancing she sometimes does is just disproportional to the severity of them in terms of making the performance enjoyable and so is the critique for overpowering Rukas rapping which doesn’t really happen majority of the time.
IMO there was no problem at all with Ahyeon performing. She wasn’t overdoing it, she was enjoying and giving her all. I LOVED her energy and it is such a shame she started toning down her stage attitude :(
She was overdoing it ALL the members were in sync but her. . That's overdoing it
I dont mind the shouting that much, but her dancing in like that was just too much.
Yh that's the only problem tbh together with Forever. In sheesh and Batter up she can go all out since those songs are energetic. If I see anyone hating on her for sheesh and batter up performances being too much I just wish them hell
@@RUKA_BABYMONST7R but theyre not "energetic" 24 7. The song's energy changes and she needs to adjust her energy.
@tp5510 why do yall even care so much yes she needs to tone it down and she did but yall are making a too big deal out of stage presence let them just enjoy the stage ffs
@@RUKA_BABYMONST7R why do you care about what i say, let people exress their opinion and leave
@@RUKA_BABYMONST7Rkeep crying
Ahyeon is a great performer but she definitely needs to learn to match her group. She could learn a thing or two from Lisa: she's objectively the best performer and dancer in Blackpink, yet you never catch her unsynchronized with her group's energy or overperforming, which is something she could easily do. She understands her member's strengths and weaknesses and matches accordingly.
So in conclusion there's definitely room to grow for Ahyeon, and I'm just glad to see a 5th gen idol having fun on stage. Will continue to tune into baemon's stuff to see their improvement
Just got here after streaming Roll Up. Idrc about Babymon tbh, but it's a stage presence vid so I'm seated.
thanks for the video!! im so glad to see that you also consider asa the best performer in the group because a lot of people think otherwise. heavily agree with the comment about chiquita. i genuinely did not understand why ahyeon was criticised while chiquita was everyones favorite performer. like she is most definitely overperforming, why doesnt anyone talk about it??? i mean some people do point out her "goofy" or "too intense" expressions but nobody seemed to have a problem with it which i did not understand
i think that if ur ceo is saying the same thing as ur fans, then it's fs a problem lol, and now she's underperforming a bit and ppl say she may be affected by hate, which yes she may be and i feel terrible but she as much as i love and adore ahyeon, she needs to start reading the room and having the same/similar energy to her members so she doesnt look like a solo artist like ppl say. i get she is the most popular and most known member but it gets to a point
Over performing and now underperforming when she listen to y'all to match the energy of her members lmao y'all, so damn funny 😅 I guess this will be the narrative because y'all used to her energy and suddenly she's matching her members energy now she's underperforming now 😂😂😂😂😂
@@Francheska291 no she’s not and i am not and never have tried to hate bc i love her so much and it’s js constructive criticism from me and thousands on the internet, and i apologize for making it seem like i was hating bc of the wording or tone, i’m saying that yes she has definitely tuned it down a lot but it’s too much bc now it looks like she doesnt wanna be there and she has little to no facial expression and little energy (which i understand could be an effect of hate which i cannot blame her for), but she definitely doesnt match the overall energy of the rest of baemon and i dont want ppl to call her “lazy” like they did w jennie bc ik for a fact ahyeon is such a talented young woman w such a huge future bc she has the personality and looks and talent for it, but the topic of her overdancing and overpowering her members is really gonna hold her back from her huge potential and it’s really sad to see
Pharita? No one mentions her awfully lazy dances.
Criticism ≠ hate and viceversa, I hope people understand the difference in how to share their opinions too. I really like baemon's voices and hope they release music I like in the future bc they're really talented. I'm pretty sure Ahyeon and all of them will only get better with time, practice and experience
omgggg stage presence videos again, love ittttt. please do more 🙏
when Ahyeon did that toned down performance for Forever, her fans were saying “she lost her spark” and “the hate got to her”, which in and of itself is just, err… but some were also saying that she’s gonna get hate for “lazy” performance, which i have yet to see. literally everyone was talking about how shes GONNA get hate but i never saw anyone actually hating on it. either way, with that point, they’d also use that oh-so familiar phrase “damned if you do, damned if you don’t”,,,
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her fans seem to think an artist’s performance is black and white, that there’s only underperforming and overperforming, and not a middle ground of perfection. her fans annoy me so much with their logic, they’re actually ruining Ahyeon for me. i was 100% open to growing to like her but i’m slowly turning into a hater who thinks she’s extremely obnoxious because of her fans.
Tbh I did see some terrible netizens complaining abt how she’s kinda not giving enough energy and isn’t consistent in her preforming. Which although is a problem she has time to learn to be consistent as she’s a young rookie and naturally talented. I do think that ahyeon stand are coddling her too much though. Saying we were wrong for asking a change in energy is unfair. I get some antis will take it too far but not every kpop Stan is automatically a anti because they asked her to try and match the energy of the song.
I was with you until that last bit, it’s not her fault she has stans like that, seems like an unfair reason to become a full hater
@@final7423 Exactly. You should never hate an idol just because their stans are assholes.
i hear you, valid points💯. But i honestly would that YG had just debuted her solo! Yes, she'd still need to improve in these areas and more but at least it wouldn't feel like we Hyeonies🧸❤️🔥🍯 (her solo stanfandom) are being starve-deprived of her full potential bcs she has to be in sync with her members all the time and do everything as a group. Plus we'd get even more content from her. Anyway, we each have different opinions so at the very least we should agree to disagree as it's still all mainly subjective at the end of the day. So long as we are being respectful and actually giving constructive criticism, it should be fine. Just don't want certain people to take advantage of her obvious flaws and mistakes to put her down. A lotta disgusting disguised hate-envy being sent her way & i dread what it'll do to her if it keeps growing💔.
She might have to go on hiatus due to mental-physical health, or even worse, quit‼️
P.s. Also, i actually like her 'over performing' but i'm clearly biased + other lengthy reasons i'm not ready to type rn💀
2 of my other reasons:
1. With BaeMon i feel like their songs aren't very good (no offense to YG, the producers and certainly not the hardworking n talented girls) bcs i didn't like them initially (every single song except 'Monsters' and 'Like that' which i took to instantly from the audio alone!) until the girls began performing each one but that isn't enough to go on. So imo they shouldn't perform the songs the same way every single time. Ahyeon does something different, and unexpected every performance, which keeps things interesting and exciting that it intrigues me to go listen to the songs again and rewatch their videos. She just elevates the whole show!. i concede that even if it's inappropriate and doesn't quite match the mood, tone and vibe being set. i accept! i still want that unpredictable 'exaggerated' Slayeon energy⚡
2. Watching the same dance routine over and over again makes it lose its charm and spark over time (in my case very quickly). Ahyeonah's something else entirely tho, i'm enthralled and don't want to look away when she's on stage, even if it's not her part. And i'm glad she understands that some of us (mainly her Hyeonies🧸❤️🔥🍯) want to be entertained from the beginning of the performance till the very end. Always craving something fresh and novel! Tired of the same old, same old. If she gives anything less, personally it'll be too boring, bland and non-special for me.
Don't want her to fade away trying to 'blend in' w the others (which i honestly feel she already does tbh even if on a 'hyped scale' - same moves at the end of the day, just varying energy, and contrasting styles). No shade or hate to her members, but i only support & watch BM cause she's in it, the other members just don't captivate me as uniquely wonderful as they each and collectively are!
P.s. i'd rather they even try to match her energy instead cause i consider her the standard, than vice versa
then your opinion of ahyeon being a solo artist would be better. the whole point of a group is to synchronize, so ahyeon really fits with the solo persona and would prolly do well as a solo artist
I kinda agree, with her talent and charisma, she can debut as a solo artist. Like girl is a perfect all rounder with stable vocals, good rap flow and delivery, amazing sp(like even when she's toned down her performance, all the eyes were on her) and dance. She can definitely debut as a solo artist and I will definitely support our girl.
Initially, I was gonna dismiss your argument. But, after watching the video to the end, you have some valid points there.
Curious, since you have a high sensitivity to the performing arts. Do you also have a similar background? Did you have this high sensitivity as a child too? Thank you in advance !
Yes, Ahyeon is overperforming and now ive kind of seen a lot of people saying shes underperforming. But lets remember, 1: shes 17 years old which is not a lot and she probably struggles a little to take critisism, ESPECIALLY when the critisism has been the way it has been. From what ive seen people have been so, so mean to her and im so fucking tired of ppl hiding hate in «critisism»
yall she just debuted 3-5 months ago give her some time she will improve😭
Ahyeon is talented but she is gettting too aggressive in showcasing her talents
Good video and analysis of Ahyeon's stage presence. I can agree with some points but not in others. For example, in min 6:15 you talk about the Forever fancam and you say that "she does not match the mood of the song and all that energy is not required". I understan that people think that Forever is a "classy" song. But for me Forever is way more energetic and harder than Sheesh. I found very pleasing and entertaning how Ahyeon dances specifically in the opening of the song. Why? That part of the song literally says "I got no worries on my mind, I can't stop myself, so you can say goodbye. I'll fullfill my fantasy. She's unlike anybody". Forever is about the freedom and liberation that comes with loving your true self the way it is. And I feel every aspect ot that when I see her dancing and with her facial expressions. You can sense that feeling of "giving 0 fucks" and enjoying what she does the way she does it. In the video, you further explain that "the point of stage presence is to give your audience a good time" and I 1000000000% agree with that, but there comes and issue with that and it is : "what happens to the people who actually ENJOYED how Ahyeon performed to begin with?". She needs to change how she performd to please the people who makes valid criticism? Or does she stays performing in the same "intensity" because there are people like me who loved it, but risking enraging more the other side?. The whole issue I have with this whole controversy is that is a dead point, a maze with no exit, no matter what she does noone will ever be happy with her, not even with herself. I do not care if Ahyeon over or underperforms, I just want her to do what she wants, what actually makes her happy to do. And if "being too much" or "overdancing" is what she felt right, why are "you" ( I mean the audience) still watching her? As is mentioned in this video, there are PLENTY of idols that actually perform better than her. To me, loving and caring your favorite group means finding happines and entertainment when they are being their boldest and realest version of themselves.
I'm 100% with people stating their opinions, but I feel this talk about Ahyeon is just about people's liking and taste in how a performer should perform. And sadly, you can't satisfy everyone.
Thank you so much for this video. This is exactly what I've been trying to say in the NICEST way possible to the fans that try to shield her from criticism. I always, ALWAYS start of by saying that I do believe she deserves criticism but never hate. She is young, talented, and passionate. She has so much room for improvement! In fact Ahyeon is one of my biases in baemon. Rami and pharita are like one to me, I can't choose 😭 and Asa too bc of her personality and her amazing performances. But I did notice Ahyeon would overdo her moves and facial expressions. I love her facial expressions but sometimes she does them ay the most inconvenient times. Girly adds to much energy into some moves that if she were a soloist, wow! But as a group...well it doesn't look good bc she isn't synchronized with her members. She doesn't find the balance to it. I have so much to say but to top it off I believe that she will open up to the constructive criticism that she's receiving, and make improvements (which she has). But also she shouldn't lose her spark bc of the hate. She is amazing and talented, that being said she shouldn't lose her passion for her job. I just hope that keeps her head up high, face the criticism, and use it to help her improve. Yet once again she does NOT deserve hate. She just needs criticism that will help her improve!
I watched a stage fancam and she does different things than the girls sometimes, like she does extra leg taps and has her head back while no one else does it and already took two steps while her head is still back
One thing that really aggrevated me when i was trying to reason with Ahyeon stans was that some of them keep saying "oh shes having fun let her have fun" as an excuse for her to overperform. Great vid by the way
What do you think about Moka's stage presence? I think she's one the best in gen 5 right now :>
she's amazing 🎀
I totally agree with you! Because like that has a calmer setting tone vibe but there's some moves where Ahyeon put a bit too much energy. Really, she should practice how to not use too much and too little energy and then she will find the right balance to fit with the others. Some people say she puts too much energy because of her dance style but that doesn't mean anything, because there's groups where the members have completely different dance styles but they still find the right balance to fit each other's open spots.
What I just love about rose is that even if she falls short slightly in body language but to be honest her movements are my favorite particularly in (Yonce dance cover stage) the way rose dances there is so addictive she has rhythm and a little seducing when setting the mood of the song which makes it more good since that's the mood of the song. Rose dancing may not be excellent but its unique and not over the top dancing and its her style, yes she is stiff at times but its not bizarre to watch and bothering unlike ahyeon's body language turning the aggressive.
I defend San's overperforming because it fits the songs and doesn't ruin the group's chemistry, Ahyeon on the other hand makes BBM look unorganized and out of sync. literally the most important thing about dancing in a group is being in sync
nah because SAN is a MEN. THAT'S IT no need to lie .
that's why I think Ahyeon should've been a solo artist..
@@Francheska291 Not y'all trying to bring misogyny into this- 😭😭 And I think you mean "MAN".
@@Welchs-Fruit-Snacks I mean "MEN" and yes it's a fact that y'all still can't accept. And this type of comment is the best example.
@@Francheska291 What exactly is misogynist about op's comment? They're right. Ateez have an intense concept and music, so San's "Overperforming" suits Ateez. Not only that but he doesn't "overperforms" to the point that it messes with the group's chemistry. He never looks out of place during any of their performances. Can't say the same about Ahyeon.
San also got hate for overperforming. Stans complained, saying he looked possessed, cringy, and even dragged his stans for defending him. Since then, he’s toned it down a bit and improved his stage presence a lot, fitting in better with the group. So no, this is not a gender issue. 🙄
When I saw her forever fancam I can see pharita beside her and man the difference 😭 It wasn't like pharita was under performing it was ahyeon all the way around being aggressive with the steps☠️
Pharita is an underperforming and lazy idol.
I have to appreciate the amount of research you put into these videos. I mean, I already knew, but this is another video where I came in with bias. I knew I was overcompensating against Ahyeon haters by putting the constructive critics in the same category because even I was wary of Ahyeon over performance at first. But I still didn't like others saying it outloud. Either way I'm glad for these clarifications and examples. It's important to understand Babymon is a rookie group they have time to improve and use these experiences to learn and grow. Thanks for this video
Dude, I really wish that Ahyeon finds a balance between overperforming and underperforming. JUST READ THE STAGE PRESCENCE AHYEON!!
Also when I heard the dance coach say Ahyeon had control, I was pissed because Ahyeon clearly does not know how to find balance between energy and relaxed dance moves
You are not a professional dancer to begin with. And actual real people. Who watch them love the way she performance. She not a robotic. Idols who will just do the same fccking routine it boring and lifeless at the end of the day Ahyeon know how to enjoy the stage which y'all ba hating but actual people who went and paid and professional people loves her talent and skills and her stage presence no wonder she always have the loudest crowd.
@@Francheska291 it’s because and only because she’s most popular. And I didn’t say she had to be lifeless.
@@elizabethc8478 nah that's y'all want to begin with the fact that she's matching the energy of her member she lifeless now? but when she is doing her own thing being happy on stage, she's over dancing 😂
Long comment, lol 😅
How I see it is that Ahyeon would had naturally gotten more in sync with the other members once she got over her excitement of finally debuting, after all she debuted after the other girls because of her health. And I figure this because if you watch the Like That exclusive performance (think that's what it's called) you can see she's in sync with her members but the live version she clearly got a bit too much. 😅 I do love her and and can understand she got a bit too much in the dance for Like That. But I still think she would have calmed down over a bit of time herself. She really didn't need criticism or hate for it. However, her rapping or more like screaming definitely needs work, and criticism was so needed. That's at least my viewpoint on this. Did always question Chiquita, though.
I gotta say I've never looked at stage presence this way. All the things u said abt Ahyeon and other idols were things i never noticed. You quite literally notice the unnoticed. And explained it REALLY well too. Will look forward to ur other videos🤗
I don't get or understand why this comment section is making it look like she was acting childish due to criticisms.
People did not only criticize, they hated,sent mean comments and threatened her!!!!!!
You can imagine.....i replied to an Instagram user asking her what exactly her problem with ahyeon is(note that:in the video where she insulted ahyeon, it was the one of her coming out of an airport. She wasn't performing)
And guess what she said: she said that she wont have any problem despising ahyeon for the rest of her life. That as long as that company is giving ahyeon rap verses and not taking ahyeon verses and adding it to the ones Ruka has,she will threaten her all she wants.
So what do you call it? Criticism? Does that reply fall under the criticism theory?🤨🤨🤨🤨
Initially I wanted to reply welcome to k-pop to your comments and leave it at that.
But if you genuinely watched the video, she mentioned that she is not trying to downplay the hate that ahyeon is getting or got due to the overperforming, but rather trying to touch on the flaws she had in her performance. We are all humans and sometimes we have flaws in things we do, even in our career. It could be due to being too overzealous in our passion doing what we enjoy(which could/may be the problem of ahyeon's Overperformance) but we are not above criticism.
Also concerning the hate comments on her Instagram, welcome to k-pop, where they somehow manage to take every atom of genuine critism and turn it into a hate train, like leseraffim members, blackpink members, and every other idol that was ever genuinely and honestly just criticized. It's just a circle in k-pop that seems to be neverending. it's unfortunate and frustrating/disrespectful, insulting and annoying to both their fans and the idols themselves. It has become so normalized that a lot kstans(even the idols themselves)are unable to differentiate between criticism and hate .
So in summary that comment on Instagram simply doesn't like ahyeon and is using this one flaw that's being genuinely criticized by some people as a "justifiable" reason to spread hate and negativity,
Sorry for the rant.
YAYYY STAGE PRESENCE CONTENT IS BACK
Could you please also talk about the "Pharita is too soft"? Many complains that she dances too softly.
1:29 if over performing isn‘t a thing so wouldn’t underperforming be.
Tell me I'm not the only one who think that ahyeon is definitely not a rapper. sorry for that. you just give someone random talking thing and that's "rap" ? didn't know that haha. just forget about flows, delivery and everything. just label them as "rappers" that's it
@@Sammmm85 imo I think Ahyeon is a good rapper. The thing is that her rapping style doesn’t fit every song. I thought her rap in Sheesh was fine but in Forever it felt out of place. I think her best rapping performance was her Sway With Me cover. And I just believe she’s a better singer than rapper and Yg should just let Ruka and Asa do the rapping in their songs.
@@brendatorres2139 exactly. agree on this. she is really a very good vocalist despite being young. and she will definitely improve more in the future. real rappers, vocalists and dancers should get their deserving parts respectfully
I agree even as a huge Ahyeon stan.Idk why she does this but probally she is just excited to finally debut! We shouldnt judge her off of that.💗
It amazes me how much money and experience YG has, and can not provide this feedback to their performers? Unless this is on purpose and they want "bad" publicity. This makes me appreciate Wony and Yujin's talent, they seem to really know their faces.
Do you think the idols themselves don't see all the criticisms they face.I think time and experience is what is needed and also concept and type of song plays in all this.
@@mavisamevorshie1302 Some idols need more time perfecting their skills, but this is not about the girls, is about the company! They should listen FIRST to this feedback from professionals, that's YG's JOB. However, the more I think about it, the more it feels like they are doing it on purpose.
Listen to the PROFESSIONALS is the creator of this video a professional? 😅
@@Francheska291 Girl people have EYES, and this issue has been mentioned by many. It is impossible not to face criticism, personally I just wish YG provides the support they need to thrive and polish their skills before they get hate.
I think you all are nit picking too much... My only answer is, what are the roles of the people you are nit picking... To think the girls have not practiced this hundreds of times together is just bizarre. Stop pitting members against each other.
This whole situation looks like it’s gonna create more solo stans judging from the comments I’ve seen 😭
all this video is just full of CASH GRABBING CONTENTS the fact that they are on the same pace of releasing contents from AHYEON is so damn funny as well. while REAL PROFESSIONALS out there who watch AHYEON singing and dancing have so much praised for her, and they find all this hate hilarious and sad at the same time
Honestly, I love watching it. I love the angry rap just gets me hyped. I know im alone on this one
you didnt talk much about chiquita, could you do a video about her or include her in another video??
Let her live her life ... Anyway this video is well done. This is called constructive criticism. Haters take note! Or take a chill pill ....
this. this is what (most) monsteiz agree with. rather than "shes so attention-seeking" or "now shes being childish", and even "you guys just dk what's good stage presence", this 20-minute long video is probably exactly what both fans & haters need to hear.
over on tiktok a lot of haters DO point out ahyeon's sharpness, but the problem was that they were tryna do it in a nasty way. like a "she doesn't know what's she's doing 💀" kind of way. then when she tones it down they say she's "giving nothing". but some of the more sane critics are more patient and are more calmer with their explanations/suggestions on how ahyeon could improve herself. im so glad that this video is here just in case anyone needs a helpful guide on how to identify criticism from hate
I feel like she’s trying to make up from holding them back a little.. Some rookies underperform… she over performs.. She’s gotten way better
That's why only singers who are over 18 should debut in groups. They will have more awareness and maturity. Awareness of working with the group and other members and it will be easier for them to deal with criticism and hate from the media and fans. Instead we have Ahyeon, who debuted at 16, and Chiquita, who was 15. They are children. I am surprised that fans support this. If a group debuts with a 15-year-old, they should not be supported. Do not promote these groups. Write letters to their agencies about this matter to wait with the debut of people of that age - they can add them later like it was with Red Velvet. This is what should be criticized, not the appearance of the singer or their private opinions.
Jihyo, Wonyoung, & Yujin are some of my favorite idols to watch perform.
I feel like they all improve constantly too which I really appreciate. It’s easy to get complacent when you’re already good