Does the Artemis PR900W like slugs - let's find out
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- I wanted to test some slugs through the PR900 and this is what happened.
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Tyrone
Great video Tyrone! I'm always jealous of your Garden.. Makes me miss South African! Btw... I tried slugs on my hw100 with little success... I recently found out that all normal barrels are choked... Meaning the diameter of the barrel is always slightly smaller on the end which works amazing for normal diabolo pellets which have a very small contact area on the barrel... Slugs are completely different as any form of a choke will completely throw them off. The contact surface area is huge in the barrel... FX do great as their smooth twist technology is really aimed at this.. Only the last few centimeters of their barrels are rifled, which creates a lot less friction... Just my two cents 🙂 for now I stick to my jsb heavies! Take care... Keep up the great work!!!
@Airgun Nostalgia thanks for dropping a comment. Yes that definitely makes sense and I don't think that I have seen anybody have too much success with slugs in a PR900 but I agree with you that the fx Smoot twist barrels do lend themselves to slugs. The big fx guys usually have certain guns set up for slugs and others set up for pellets.
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner And, yes you are completely right... They do like speed! But I honestly think normal barrels are not designed for them... Far too much friction!
Hi Tyrone. Thanks again for your great video. I have had great success with H&N 21grain 217 slugs in my Artemis PR900. But still I can't find a pellet that beats the Gamo Expander. Very great results and good impact. In my PR900 the Expander even beats the JSB 14 grains. Lekker thing is the Expander are R90 Rand for a tin of 250. Keep up the great videos.
@Andre Barnard Thanks for your kind words, glad you enjoyed the video. I will need to try get some of the H&N slugs and test them as well
Slugs are hit and miss with me so far. Great video
@First State Airgun well it definitely seems that way so far for me too. Thanks for your comment
My pr900w have a 3.5mm transfer port and stainless spring hammer. With 1 gram ( 15.43 grain) pellet, the power of airgun is 35 joules ( 25.8 fpe). It's really fun to shoot with this Chinese airgun.
I have knock out 22 Slug but in 177 it's impossible to have this slug
Yes it is a great rifle and good results for the price as well. Did you have good results with the slugs
Great video as always Tyrone!. I got the highest FPE in the diana storm-bandit .22 from the JSB 23 g. Slugs...(27.34). they were iffy at best on longer ranges, 30-40 yds.. not too bad at closer ranges 15 yds and under tho.have a great day!.
Thanks Jerry, yes I think it might be alright for close ranges
Love the sound of that oriole (Europese wielewaal) in the background.
@Johan Gravett yes it is truly great to be surrounded by so nature. There is a couple of Orioles living in my garden but they seem to move away in the colder months
Interesting video, the speed is important but the barrel also, this was not a bad group and with some tuning you can have better results. Also the regulator will help. BTW try some other slugs.
Yes I think I will need to try some H&N slugs it seems that is what's recommended by many
My point exactly
I have a Diana Stormrider .22 version of this gun. I use it with regulator, set at 135 bars (relatively high). I guess the bullet speed is above 800 FPS but the gun shoots awful with slugs. I tried Jsb KO slugs. With pellets it shoots fairly well. So we can say, it is not a slug-gun at all.
Yes, it definitely seems like the slugs are not working too well from these rifles. I might try a few more before I give up on slugs but so far I agree with you the pellets seem to be the better option
why want shooting slugs? ,at the distance airguns are used ,pellets are the best ,slugs only get the dangerzone much greater ,they will go 200 meter more or even more
Very true and I haven't tried any more slugs, sticking to pellets for now. You know the old saying you never know until you've tried it
@@peteralexben It is like asking why do you want to tune your car, it can already exceed the speed limit. If slugs make it possible to shoot at longer ranges, why not? It is a different story, that this particular type of gun is not capable to shoot slugs, so it is out of question now.
Hello, as the owner of a stormrider i sugest that you lap,polish and recrown the barrell. Mine now likes H&N 21grain slugs, at 20m, 6 out of 10 shots are in the circle of 12mm. Before that it was like in your video or even more.
Thanks I will have a look and the barrel crowning and see what it looks like
The problem with slugs is its to heavy so you get blow back from through that horrible o-ring that get damaged from pellets pushing through it so the verlicty is all over the place . I rectified the problem by turning a groove for an o-ring on the stainless steal bolt so the o- ring seals on the aluminum hole were the pellet enters . Increase pellet verlicty and accuracy as no more blow bag pasted the o-ring as theres now 2 o-ring one in the barrel and one on the bolt
Whilst we can get slug pellets I find they don't fit the barrel well. Besides which slugs are slow moving and you can sneak up on them - they do not present much of a challenge.
Changing the subject - I've just discovered in a down & dirty test that rearranging the baffles in the CP2 moderator had an interesting effect. The large chamber is factory assembled nearest the gun, there is some logic to that. However I reassembled it with the large chamber at the exit, my logic to provide more muzzle brake.
I did not record the temperature but it is February and winter and quite cold. Maybe 10°. It was only just warm enough, for me, to shoot off one CO2 capsule, certainly not shirt-sleeve weather yet.
177 CP2 pistol
Default assy = 420fps (consistently) , quite loud too, a "pop".
Reversed order spacers = 455fps, perceptively quieter too, more of a "phut".
This was after shooting 3 mags of 9, the CO2 eventually expired during the 6th mag - 54 shots, would be more when warmer.
I ought to repeat with the dB meter and bench rested grouping, and more chrono. But the next job is replacing the mangled CO2 capsule seal on the piercer.
That is very interesting I never really moved or changed the order of the baffles in the silencer maybe worth a little experiment. I have been testing out a piece of leather for my co2 seal and it is working great. It is actually a piece from an old welding apron. If your seal is damaged you might want to try that
get the baffles out ,sound not much more, and it stays more constant
Hi Tyrone. Maybe it‘s not the slug your gun prefer or can handle. My .22 Wildcat Mk1 (around 40 Joule) shoot great on 23 meters in my basement with the H&N Slug HP 21gr. Was bored a few weeks ago and went down to test pellets and at the bottom of my ammobox i found those stingers and i‘ll definitely give them a chance in spring outdoors.
Hope you can get them in SA, if not let me know cause theyr pellets are also pretty good
@Andreas Budischek Thanks for the advice it is much appreciated. There is H&N slugs available and I think the head size is from.216 - .218 and there is 21gr available I think I will try the H&N 21gr with 218 head size next
i was just looking at the profile of the PR900, it would make a great platform for a lever action air rifle
Yes, it definitely would, it will just need to be a slim design
Worth testing for sure!
But they probably need more speed just like you said
Cant wait to see them Excite Hammer's perform !
Fun fact;
I have a crosman/remington express hunter .177
And never seen thoses pellets ever 😁 *jealous*
{I got 50 different .177 tins..it is already an expensive hobby when you are addicted to nice looking tins 🤣}
I somehow think I have seen that addiction somewhere else as well, me. I will to the excite hammers first
That was my problem with smoking pipe tobacco! 😏
@@bobandrews705 good thing everything is brown and ugly now {atleast in canada 🤣}
(Damn I need to quit them cancur sticks)
@@LowkeyAirgunner I’ll be pull in’ for ya!
Lovely, thank you. I see the new PR900W GEN2 is now regulated. Would that make enough of a difference to make it better choice for the price difference.
The regulator can definitely help with consistency but I think the standard rifle would still not shoot slugs very well. Not enough speed, most slug setups have the regs set to 160bar. The other challenge is the barrel is not setup for slugs
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner Thanks, sorry I sought of confused issues. I don't really want to shoot slugs, I was referring to the difference between the two rifles in a general sense.
Haha no stress, well in theory gen2 with the regulator should be a little more accurate due to more consistent fps but the unregulated gen1 can be very accurate once the sweetspot is found. The regulator is an item which can give issues which is something you won't need to tend to on the gen1. If you set the reg pressure down on the gen2 you will get a better shot count on the gen2
TRY 17.5 GN NSA 21 gn h&n 21gn gen javelin or inferno slugs and the jsb ko gen 2 because the gen 2 jsb ko have a pellet skirt but on a slug or fx hybryds all if these slugs are light except for the jsb
Good presentation. Overall I don’t believe I will be hunting game that requires that high of energy. A good pellet will suffice.
I am actually keen to try some baboons and there is a farmer which approached me so perhaps we'll need to try a different slug
I would agree in that case. I am not a fan of baboons. I have seen them killed with a blow gun dart. So go for it there must be a good pellet for the “Stormrider” that would get the job done!
Hi Tyrone. R260 vir 14.35 grein JSB is bietjie duur. Kyk by Shooting Gear in Middelburg, hulle vra R195 vir 500. (Ek kan nie hulle site adres aangee nie anders vee YT dit uit.) Hulle het op die oomblik 19 blikkies in voorraad. En hulle ander gewig koeëltjies is ok heelwat goedkoper as ander plekke. Ek het verlede week 10 blikkies 18.13 grein JSB gekoop teen R235 'n blikkie van 500. Ek het nou vir my vrou ook so PR900 gekoop en sal dit later die week kry. Die Retay is bietjie swaar vir haar, veral as sy moet staan en skiet.
Daai Swartkopwielewaal is besig daar in die boom.
Baie Dankie @L.V-Rider ek sal hulle probeer. Koeeltjies is altyd n groot uitgawe veral as ons baie skiet
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner En ek moet daarby sê, hulle diens is puik. Hulle het selfs vir my fotos gestuur van die verpakking nog voor die koerier dit by hulle opgelaai het. Elke stap wat hulle deurgaan stuur hulle vir jou opdatering van wat gedoen word.
Ek het slugs in die Gamo Magnum probeer. Nee wat, dit is te stadig en groepeer glad nie goed nie. (Ek kommentaar maar soos ek die video kyk anders vergeet ek wat ek wou sê.)
Klink of jy naby die skool bly. :)
Ja ek weet nie of slugs en springers sommer sal saam werk nie, soos wat ek op lees soek die slugs ook maar so bietjie van n choke en te minste 900fps
Howzit boet, apologies if you addressed this before but what scope are you running on the PR900?
@Barend vd Westhuizen no problem, I had a 3-9x40 Beileshi on the PR900. It worked pretty well on the PR900, it is a budget scope
My sub 12 fr pound PR900 Gen 2s dont like anything over 18 grain weight ammo.
I don't think the barrel twist rates are good for slugs
Hi Tyrone, wie het die barrelband vir jou gekry
Hi Peet ek het die barrel band by neonsales.co.za gekry
hi Tyrone. where did you buy your barrel band on the front of the rifle because my barrel keeps on moving when I shoot
My barrel band came from neonsales.co.za you can also just check that your barrel is fastened down on the initial band and the 3 grub screws on the breach
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner Thanks I will check it out and everything is tightened
Hi wierd question but from where did u buy ur gun and pump
I stay in South Africa and I got it from a store called outdoor pitstop
Ohk ty
Hey Tyrone, slugs at 700fps, we would be creaming ourselves at that in the UK....lol
@vobchopper I agree 700fps is not enough fps for slugs, it seems that the range is between 900-1000fps in order to stabilize the slug, can't say I didn't try
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner generally you are correct, but JSB are making a .177 sub 12flb slug at just 10.03 grain for the European market, they work well in my Gamo Coyote up to 30 metres, as you know in little old England nothing is more than 30 metres away..lol
@vobchopper that would be interesting to test such a slug as it would be slower for sure. I wonder if it would be roller out to 22 but then it would be even slower. I do think 30m is a good distance for a sir rifle though
Have no experience with slugs in cal .22 with that rifle but in cal .177 the same rifle shoots just as badly as what you show your rifle can. Be glad it's not at 50 meters you shooting, because then it takes many shots before you just hit the target. It is not the muzzle velocity that determines that the rifle is not suitable for slugs but the construction of the barrel.
I did not think your rifle shoots particularly well with diabolo as I see several keyholes in target with them. The holes should be absolutely round.
Greetings from the cold north.
@TheLandbo Thanks for your comment and it seems to be that the barrels for slugs is designed specifically for that. I thought the pellets looked pretty good but it is true that there sometimes seems to be the keyhole effect sometimes but usually only when they close together so I think it is more likely the paper and not the pellet. If I shoot apart it doesn't have that "keyhole" effect
The barrel would have to be absolute trash to keyhole a pellet. The inherit design advantage of the Diabolo shape is they will always fly skirt aft. It's almost physically impossible to get them to broadside a target at any distance.
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner It is not necessarily the case that a barrel can not shoot both diabolo and slugs with great precision, it does the majority of air rifle barrels actually.
Especially on your shots number two and three, it looks like diabolo is overturned on the target before removing the proof with shot number four. I would argue that if it is due to the background of the disc one would think it would also look as if your slugs are also overturned at the impact.
I have a hard time seeing what background you have placed the target on but it looks like a wooden board of some kind.
Regards.
Yes the catchbox probably needs a little TLC. There was a cardboard support for the paper but it has been shot away so all that is left is basically the old rags and clothes inside the catchbox.
The best test might be a piece of soft wood shot perpendicular and see how the pellet imbeds in the wood
@@webreakforsquirrel4201 Sorry but I definitely not agree with your considerations. I have seen many times that a diabolo flies in spirals so that it hits the target more or less with the side so that keyholes are formed. The fault list can be damaged diabolo, crooked or damaged barrals, a poorly / skewed or damaged silencer or just that people shoot a diabolo at too high speed.
Regards.
Where did you get the barrel band from mate?
@Mick 38 I got it from Neonsales.co.za here is South Africa
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner how to istall that barrel band Bro? tell me please
Hi, 2 ways to install the barrel band.
1.(easiest) loosen the current barrel band, loosen the barrel from the breech and pull out the entire barrel. Then simply slide the barrel through the new band and old band and reinstall in the breech.
2. Remove the silencer, using a little heat(hairdryer) and a small wooden punch remove the front sight. Slide on the barrel band and put back the front sight and silencer
Im looking into getting the rifle can you put a silencer on it?
It comes standard with a silencer but could do with a bigger silencer
Not all slugs are like that... my air venturi avenger shoots both pellets and slugs at a low speed very well and slugs are the only thing my diana stormrider will shoot.
Ok sounds interesting, I guess I will just need to continue testing. Thanks for leaving a comment
My pr900 likes H&N 21g slugs try them out 👍👍
Ok sounds interesting, what gps are you shooting at
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner I'm getting half inch groups at 30 metres with my rifle. Hope it works out with your rifle
I really need to try those 1/2" at 30m is great I would definitely be super happy with that
You need 850+ fps with 14grain slug for better results
@srkhan agreed and if you can get the speed above 900fps even better
@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner i maximized my valve tp and receiver TP to 6mm. And barrel tp for .177 is 3.5mm. Let’s see
Sounds good let's see what happens, please keep me posted