Andrey, I love how your videos explain the subtle but most important difference between basic (yet incomplete) riding technique taught to beginners, aimed primarily at not getting killed and playing it safe - and elaborate pro skills to actually work together with the bike and get the most out of it, once you are more experienced… even if it contradicts some stuff taught in basic riding courses.
I spent so much Time watching tutorial videos about Motorcycles and how to do X Y & Z, that even though there are so many different TH-camrs doing these videos, i can see the difference between them. You are definetly first Class when it comes to Bike lessons, the way you explain things is the best. Love watching your Videos and i am certain that thy will help me alot, today i have my very first Bike lesson, can't wait for it.
Your suggestions about vision and directing the bike on where you want to go are so making sense to me, more sense than just look where you want to go.
Very nice discussion of the issues. I noticed how helpful the "Look where you go" advice is, riding on mountain roads with steep drop offs. If you look out into the abyss as you come up to the corner entry, you can get a strong sense of vertigo (I'm falling,...) If you look into the corner, the vertigo goes away.
Finally, someone! Thank you for the clear explanation of how and why vision is important during motorbike riding. I always felt the statement (the bike goes where you look) of instructors pretty dumb. There is many counterevidence as you pointed out. What I recognized in my riding is exactly what you shared in this video. The bike goes in the direction where I plan/imagine to go. Even if I don't look at a certain spot on the ground, but I think about a trajectory, which hits that spot, I usually ride through that spot. When I think about trajectories that are not crossing the spot the bike follows those alternative routes. In a nutshell, vision is for gathering infos to be able to plan a motion trajectory. It will not "lead into" an obstacle if I fixate an obstacle but I use my peripheral vision and planning for escape routes and alternative trajectories. I guess, the same goes for choosing lines in corners.
I think those simple statements like "always look where you go", "never brake mid-corner", etc. are just necessary shortcuts to keep the beginner courses short and available for large groups of people. Problem starts when a rider starts to treat a beginner course like a complete guide for each and every possible road situation😁
@@MotoControlEn It would not have bothered me if it had been a statement of beginners courses. But I have heard this sentence several times when I paid for instructors to teach me at official (e.g. Honda supported) courses for those who already have driving license. I know how they meant it and probably they wanted to explain the same thing as you did. But why I enjoy to watch your videos is that you - instead of the repeating the same dumb sentences - explain _why_ a given technique is needed (and in which situations it is not a good idea to apply). I totally agree with your last sentence and because of that I would also add that there is no end of learning how to ride a motorbike. Especially when one would add offroad and trials techniques. It is impossible to master all of of those, but it is so much fun to practice!
Thank you for always being realistic and honest with your videos. The old school way of teaching riders is archaic and incredibly foolish to treat every rider, bike and skill level the same without taking into consideration each situation is different and riders need to ride accordingly so. Keep up the great work & God Bless.
I get your point and i agree, but at the same time, I feel that turning my head towards a curve makes a big difference, specially if it's a tight turn. Also, when you show yourself turning your head to the opposite direction in the figure 8, it's when you're changing direction... I think it would be impossible (at least to me) to make a tight circles looking the other way. Bottom line, bike does not go where you look at, but there's something about balance and line prediction that is heavily influenced by vision, in my opinion. Great video as usual!
Good points and good explanations; your videos are really helpful to improve as a rider and watching your style over and over in shorts are extra help... Congratulations and thank you
The following might seem to be off topic, but it actually shows what happens if our vision/brain is too much focussed on a certain object. Decades ago all football (soccer) goalkeepers had been always wearing black jerseys. Then psychologists found out, goalkerpers would benefit from wearing bright colouful jerseys. Since then they usually wear jerseys in bright, mostly neon colours. With the effect, that the other players are subconsciously focussing these bright colours. And the chances are quite high that they kick the ball in the direction of these colours, no matter if they want to kick the ball somewhere else. This explains why often strikers kick the ball directly into the goalkeeper's arms although there was lots of space to the left and to the right to score a goal.
I had to stare at the kerb coming up as I took a right hand junction too fast. Because I needed to apply as much braking up 'till the point of impact just before which I released the front brake to decompress the suspension. If I was more experienced I could've counter steered and leant around the corner.
Nice touch with the Ukrainian rider stock footage. Love the channel, have learnt a lot so far and will hopefully begin rider training over here in Sweden. Stay safe!
Any videos on picking lines on street roads, or long sustained bending interstate roads? Best lane position as you navigate and where your eyes are looking? I understand the outside, inside, outside, but on some high speed roads taking the "higher up, outside" especially when its very windy out has got my nerves up sometimes for some reason?
@@MotoControlEn Thanks for the reply and I hope you find the time to make it. I enjoy your other videos. I can tell you after searching for awhile I don't see any good videos on it, so perhaps it would be opportune content :)!
Motorcycles and canoes? Canoes also go where you look (with exceptions). On a downriver paddle, focusing ahead is good; just avoid eye fixation on rocks and boulders!
This happens to me quite a lot when I'm riding on dark highways and some A-hole incoming traffic using their high beam+fog lights the whole time. My eyes get fixated on their movement and the handlebar slowly starts to veer off that way. I have to force my arms to keep it in my lane while still keeping an eye on the incoming A-hole so they don't get to hit me. Very dangerous and idk how to keep my eyes off their lights. Guess I'm the proverbial deer on the road? How do i ignore their lights and keep my eyes on my lane?
The other day I was practicing the 8 routine using big rocks as cones. At some point the rear wheel hit a rock and it slid, bringing the bike down. I was wondering if with half tennis balls it could happen also.
Highly unlikely. You can also buy cheap cones made for other sports (soccer, inline skating etc.), which are really small and you can bring them with you.
It took me 3 years 🙂 to get that proper judgement and full confidence when riding…it took me 5 months to kind of perfect the skills and 2 years of riding experience for that judgement coz I neither ride far nor practise drills…the only time I ride is when going to college and back…a daily rider in traffic might learn faster i guess
Just wanted to mention you better not make judgements regarding road situation based on less-then-half-a-second check, like in this "stop box" exercise. You are very likely to miss something relatively small, like another bike.
I personally disagree with this advice, but on like a technicality. When you use your visiom, it implies that your head and torse follows, and those are what really make you turn better. If you can isolate visiom from it, and maintain same body position as if, vision would change a thing. For example, if you lean with you body and move your eye ball the other way, you arent gonna suddenly turn less.
Central “sharp” vision is roughly 3 degrees… the rest is peripheral…your brain discerns movement/color/contrast and moved your central vision to what’s important….
That is why racers from MotoGP, Isle of Man TT, Superbike races, any race, the participants are given the opportunity to practice in the track and study it before the actual race. Nothing more stupid than a rider who goes very fast on a road that he/she has never ridden on, memory ( experience) is very important next to vision
Andrey, I love how your videos explain the subtle but most important difference between basic (yet incomplete) riding technique taught to beginners, aimed primarily at not getting killed and playing it safe - and elaborate pro skills to actually work together with the bike and get the most out of it, once you are more experienced… even if it contradicts some stuff taught in basic riding courses.
I spent so much Time watching tutorial videos about Motorcycles and how to do X Y & Z, that even though there are so many different TH-camrs doing these videos, i can see the difference between them.
You are definetly first Class when it comes to Bike lessons, the way you explain things is the best. Love watching your Videos and i am certain that thy will help me alot, today i have my very first Bike lesson, can't wait for it.
Your suggestions about vision and directing the bike on where you want to go are so making sense to me, more sense than just look where you want to go.
Very nice discussion of the issues. I noticed how helpful the "Look where you go" advice is, riding on mountain roads with steep drop offs. If you look out into the abyss as you come up to the corner entry, you can get a strong sense of vertigo (I'm falling,...) If you look into the corner, the vertigo goes away.
Finally, someone! Thank you for the clear explanation of how and why vision is important during motorbike riding. I always felt the statement (the bike goes where you look) of instructors pretty dumb. There is many counterevidence as you pointed out. What I recognized in my riding is exactly what you shared in this video. The bike goes in the direction where I plan/imagine to go. Even if I don't look at a certain spot on the ground, but I think about a trajectory, which hits that spot, I usually ride through that spot. When I think about trajectories that are not crossing the spot the bike follows those alternative routes.
In a nutshell, vision is for gathering infos to be able to plan a motion trajectory. It will not "lead into" an obstacle if I fixate an obstacle but I use my peripheral vision and planning for escape routes and alternative trajectories. I guess, the same goes for choosing lines in corners.
I think those simple statements like "always look where you go", "never brake mid-corner", etc. are just necessary shortcuts to keep the beginner courses short and available for large groups of people. Problem starts when a rider starts to treat a beginner course like a complete guide for each and every possible road situation😁
@@MotoControlEn It would not have bothered me if it had been a statement of beginners courses. But I have heard this sentence several times when I paid for instructors to teach me at official (e.g. Honda supported) courses for those who already have driving license.
I know how they meant it and probably they wanted to explain the same thing as you did. But why I enjoy to watch your videos is that you - instead of the repeating the same dumb sentences - explain _why_ a given technique is needed (and in which situations it is not a good idea to apply).
I totally agree with your last sentence and because of that I would also add that there is no end of learning how to ride a motorbike. Especially when one would add offroad and trials techniques. It is impossible to master all of of those, but it is so much fun to practice!
Thank you for always being realistic and honest with your videos. The old school way of teaching riders is archaic and incredibly foolish to treat every rider, bike and skill level the same without taking into consideration each situation is different and riders need to ride accordingly so. Keep up the great work & God Bless.
Body/posture follows vision/head. Bike follows body/posture.
Nice thoughts on peripheral vision 👍
I get your point and i agree, but at the same time, I feel that turning my head towards a curve makes a big difference, specially if it's a tight turn. Also, when you show yourself turning your head to the opposite direction in the figure 8, it's when you're changing direction... I think it would be impossible (at least to me) to make a tight circles looking the other way.
Bottom line, bike does not go where you look at, but there's something about balance and line prediction that is heavily influenced by vision, in my opinion.
Great video as usual!
It’s likely bc when you turn your head, you instinctively turn your body. Maybe.
One of the best, if not the best, motorcycle teaching program on TH-cam!
Thanks!
Thank you!😊
One nice thing about peripheral vision is that it is sensitive to motion.
Yes, forgot to mention that🙂
That’s how I ride. Using my peripheral vision.
You always take a fresh look at the old advice, and get me thinking. Great videos.
Good points and good explanations; your videos are really helpful to improve as a rider and watching your style over and over in shorts are extra help...
Congratulations and thank you
Thanks!😊
Crisply explained. Vision, throttle control, braking and counter-steering. I always say this.
your thoughts on Wision are very wise 😂 LOVE your channel man 👍
Ensign Chekov agrees!
Excellent video and information, well presented and explained as always. Thankyou. 🇬🇧👍
The following might seem to be off topic, but it actually shows what happens if our vision/brain is too much focussed on a certain object.
Decades ago all football (soccer) goalkeepers had been always wearing black jerseys.
Then psychologists found out, goalkerpers would benefit from wearing bright colouful jerseys. Since then they usually wear jerseys in bright, mostly neon colours. With the effect, that the other players are subconsciously focussing these bright colours. And the chances are quite high that they kick the ball in the direction of these colours, no matter if they want to kick the ball somewhere else. This explains why often strikers kick the ball directly into the goalkeeper's arms although there was lots of space to the left and to the right to score a goal.
Very practical and helpful thanks Andrei.
All good stuff👍sometimes keeping it simple is best for novice riders…give them a baseline they can grow from.
Thanks you for those explanation!!
I had to stare at the kerb coming up as I took a right hand junction too fast. Because I needed to apply as much braking up 'till the point of impact just before which I released the front brake to decompress the suspension.
If I was more experienced I could've counter steered and leant around the corner.
Nice touch with the Ukrainian rider stock footage. Love the channel, have learnt a lot so far and will hopefully begin rider training over here in Sweden. Stay safe!
Great video. Have a different question though. What is the motorcycle (blue and yellow) shown around the 20-25 second mark? Thanks
Any videos on picking lines on street roads, or long sustained bending interstate roads? Best lane position as you navigate and where your eyes are looking? I understand the outside, inside, outside, but on some high speed roads taking the "higher up, outside" especially when its very windy out has got my nerves up sometimes for some reason?
You brought up a huge question 😁 I won't be able to answer it in the comment, but it's a good idea for a video.
@@MotoControlEn Thanks for the reply and I hope you find the time to make it. I enjoy your other videos. I can tell you after searching for awhile I don't see any good videos on it, so perhaps it would be opportune content :)!
Спасибо большое братик, очень полезное видео 🙏🙏🙏
Motorcycles and canoes? Canoes also go where you look (with exceptions). On a downriver paddle, focusing ahead is good; just avoid eye fixation on rocks and boulders!
This happens to me quite a lot when I'm riding on dark highways and some A-hole incoming traffic using their high beam+fog lights the whole time. My eyes get fixated on their movement and the handlebar slowly starts to veer off that way. I have to force my arms to keep it in my lane while still keeping an eye on the incoming A-hole so they don't get to hit me. Very dangerous and idk how to keep my eyes off their lights. Guess I'm the proverbial deer on the road? How do i ignore their lights and keep my eyes on my lane?
The other day I was practicing the 8 routine using big rocks as cones. At some point the rear wheel hit a rock and it slid, bringing the bike down. I was wondering if with half tennis balls it could happen also.
Highly unlikely. You can also buy cheap cones made for other sports (soccer, inline skating etc.), which are really small and you can bring them with you.
Unless you hit them on really big lean angle, nothing bad usually happens🙂
Always ✅👍
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How much time does a new rider require too gain confidence on his bike and drive with proper judgement ??
Depends on your talent...
@@ktkace riding doesn't require talent it requires skills
It took me 3 years 🙂 to get that proper judgement and full confidence when riding…it took me 5 months to kind of perfect the skills and 2 years of riding experience for that judgement coz I neither ride far nor practise drills…the only time I ride is when going to college and back…a daily rider in traffic might learn faster i guess
@@Bros765rs same with me Brother
With the right training, and lots of practice, two seasons to become pretty darn good.
Look where you want to go works great. When you want it to work it works and when you dont it doesnt.
4:48 PANTY Dropper👀
it works if you let you muscle memory work on its own, imoo.
probably not so for riders that are still learning
Just wanted to mention you better not make judgements regarding road situation based on less-then-half-a-second check, like in this "stop box" exercise. You are very likely to miss something relatively small, like another bike.
LOVE you friend 🌹💐🌹💗
I personally disagree with this advice, but on like a technicality.
When you use your visiom, it implies that your head and torse follows, and those are what really make you turn better.
If you can isolate visiom from it, and maintain same body position as if, vision would change a thing.
For example, if you lean with you body and move your eye ball the other way, you arent gonna suddenly turn less.
People should stop dumbing down things for others. It does not help.
I agree 100%. There is A lot of dumbing down videos on TH-cam. The most common sense stuff is dumbed down to the max.
Central “sharp” vision is roughly 3 degrees… the rest is peripheral…your brain discerns movement/color/contrast and moved your central vision to what’s important….
That is why racers from MotoGP, Isle of Man TT, Superbike races, any race, the participants are given the opportunity to practice in the track and study it before the actual race. Nothing more stupid than a rider who goes very fast on a road that he/she has never ridden on, memory ( experience) is very important next to vision
if you move to australia you can stay at my house. just saying.
This video feels very low quality, 90's vibe - interlaced?
what is with the accent.. wow... Sorry man xD
English is my second language, I'm improving slowly😁
@@MotoControlEn Good luck :3
@@MotoControlEn I love your accent!! Don't change 🤩