Fun fact: He had a passenger(you can see the legs when the post stopped them) so they both experienced the break assist lamppost experience, but the passenger had a much softer landing experience LMAO.
6:44 The video is from India and I am from India. The motorcycle he is riding is Benelli TNT 600i. It doesn't have traction control in the first place. Some models have ABS but no traction control. The guy is just blaming the bike for his incapability.
@@akashnag3879 exactly! It was Mumbai, my hometown and I felt so bad seeing this. I mean how can he be so careless? I bet that was a 60kph section and a corner meaning best to not overtake on turns and he was doing 80+ and overtaking meaning he was either in a hurry/ plain throttle happy. He also seems to be distracted and was not focusing on a moving target after passing the car. Something which comes naturally to those who have ridden 1000s of kilometers without overconfidence. Even if there was gravel or a wet patch, he could have easily made that turn. Back in the late 90's and even early 2000's, even a front disc brake was a luxury on a motorcycle. We never had the exposure that today's no bikers have to so much tech and valuable riding lessons and channels online, yes we made our share of errors too but nothing as stupid as this one to those with experience. My best guess, yet another guy riding a bike more capable than his basic skill level. You naturally get scared on a bigger bike if you don't have the skills and practice. Even if you do get a big bike, take your time and grow into it. All said and done, riding a motorcycle is one thing where we really don't need more tech than actual raw skills that come from hours of practice and education. You have two wheels lesser than a car and are exposed to danger even at crawling speeds. It's our duty to ourselves and our loved ones to educate and improve our riding/driving. Myself included.
@@MichaelScalet72 haha it certainly has its perks in some ways. We become hyper aware of situations to the point where it becomes natural to those of us who want to ride/drive for many decades and not for cheap thrills with expensive bills or worse. Which is why expats to India get a traffic culture shock when they drive in Indian cities.
Such a refreshing change to get some serious, useful explanations of what was done wrong instead of just screaming, "target fixation!" like so many others do. I think some people don't like to acknowledge they can be afraid.
@janwanderer7660 I think the first video is an example of target fixation. Because I swear his first two corners he *does* lean more, but because he is suprised he looks at the exit, and stops leaning(and then applies brake-yadayadafall). Love this channel so much!
I agree. Thing abt target fix is you can fixate for a sec and its all it takes. I think he gotconfused by the exit fixated for a second then didnt have the skill to recover from the now long overshot turn. Correct move i think was to remain calm brake lightly while fixing your fixation then lean hard to recover.
I just rode my first twisties last weekend, and the main thing that I kept in my head while riding is to ride within my limits. If I see someone pushing their corners and I know I can't keep up, I'll just let them ride their ride and then catch up on the safe straights. Otherwise my cornering is MY zone only. Adding rear brake a bit if i overshoot, slow throttle adjustments, presence of mind on corners, and not riding too fast that my brain can't keep up. That was my mindset. I'll push when I'm confident to push and back down if I don't trust the road, PH roads are so poorly maintained that you kind of have to be running at 100% brain power to spot potholes and gravel.
PH roads are full of unexpected obstacles. We frequently encounter goats sleeping at the apex of some of the best province roads. Nothing quite as thrilling as coming around a blind corner at speed and seeing 6 or 8 goats spread out in the inside lane.
For novice or normal drivers, leaning the bike more (that may eventually result in a lowside) is far less risky than going in the opposite lane or a ditch. I was once surprised with a sharp blind corner and I had no other choice but to lean the bike far more than my comfort zone normally allows. That sent instant shivers down my spine. Still, I rode through the corner without any problems what so ever.
In india roads are all fakd up with grainy soli and little stones on roads so whenever i lean even slightly on them it feels like im going to slide instantly sending shivers down the spine
@@josedorsaith5261smaller engine bikes, lighter weight, easier to change direction, so the new rider can actually play with cornering and try out techniques while on an easier to manoeuvre bike. You can't do this on a 600 like you can on a 125, or a 250. There's a reason why so many countries have 125 learners.
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now yep. jumped from 390 to 790 and the first thing I noticed is how incredibly more inert is the input, almost as if there's a giant gyroscope trying to resist changing direction.
@@EvgeniX. Exactly. I had the same thing when I went from a 2-stroke 350 to a CBR600 street sport and it had the heavier steel frame. A lot more effort to change direction especially in an emergency where I'm braking and trying to steer around something. A car turned into my path and just blocked it when I was doing about 45 and I braked, locked the rear, while trying to steer left, and rear drifted out in the opposite direction to the right towards the car. I eased off the rear brake, the tyre gripped, shimmied the bike, and I made the tiny gap. Just. The bigger engine has a bigger gyroscope effect. That's probably part of it. And the extra weight too of the bigger bike. Hope you're enjoying your new ride.
God bless people like you exist. I've been riding for over 2 years now and I lost track of how many teaching videos I'v watched. It is always great to look at even the most basic abilities once in a while. To this day I remember a moment when I was riding on the streets (I own a 125cc bc I live in europe and I am collecting money for a bigger one) I saw two guys on liter bikes ride like absolute maniacs. I decided to chase them a little and oh man you should've seen their faces when I carved a really sharp corner at double their speed. They were so confused at the next lights 😆
My first bike, a used 50cc 4-speed Ducati. Rode it everywhere inside a 75 mile radius; city, country, everywhere, with my wing-bud and his 350 Dream Honda. I hope to once again resurrect my 250 Trials 4-stroke by summer, 2025. Bikes are a lot like APPS are now; a good fit is all it takes! Be safe out there….🎢
Remember when i first started riding 16 years ago turning and lean where difficult untill i learned how too. Body position staying relaxed and learning to lean and letting the bike do its thing no forcing. Stay relaxed loose grip on bars let knees and thighs hold u on the bike.
I was one of those self thought, instinctive riders and I ended up having to go into oncoming traffic lane (lucky for me there was no traffic there), because I did not understand how to make the bike lean more when required to do it fast. I had been riding like that for about 20 years, without actually understanding what it is exactly that makes the bike lean, because the counter-steering concept is so counter-intuitive in it's appearance. This is why this concept needs to be taught and promoted very aggressivelly on every level....mostly because on surface it makes zero sense to "push right to go right" (or left)... Basically it comes down to "you don't know that you don't know,".... In my estimation, about half of all bikers on the road are self taught and consider themselves exoerienced just like I did, based on the years they spent riding, without realizing that they never learned the most CRITICAL basic concept, which is to be able to counter steer. If it wasn't for my almost accident, I would never even think about trying to analyze any of this...but lucky for me I had mentioned this near miss to a very experienced rider who asked me if I'm familiar with counter steering right of the bat, just to get my blank stare, as I asked him: "counter what???"
exactly, the first reaction is always OMFG, need to brake and lock in handlebars, when the opposite should be done, just lean more with counter steering and relax.
@janwanderer7660 That is correct sir. Having said that, most people will never find out that their skills are lacking, until it is too late. When I look back, I was very lucky that I managed to stay safe for almost 20 years, without even understanding the basics of riding a motorcycle. I thought of myself as a very experienced rider and if it weren't for my mishap I still would think that, as I had no reason to doubt myself.
Countersteering in particular is somewhat counterintuitive, but with the right analogy it's very simple to grasp. Remember when you were a kid and would balance a long stick on your finger? Same principle, except the bike is doing most of the work for you. You are the stick, and steering moves the finger.
I show people how to counter steer on a bicycle going really slow. I tell them to try to turn the bicycle one way or another without first tipping the bike over and or countersteering subconsciously. Meaning try to deliberately turn without countersteering, and sit back and watch as they start to realize what is going on and how countersteer works. It's always fun to see someone learn something and start to realize what is going on in a controlled and safe environment. I find people learn much faster with hands on training , and a bicycle allows that hand on learner without putting them in any real danger.
The second example is in my town from Romania The sign is not a cross one it is an bicycle warning because there are many cyclists on that road. Also the turn is pretty tight so you cannot drive 60 km/h as you have to stop for the cars that come from the left road.
This is an excellent educational video!! I don’t ride beyond my skill level regardless of the situation. That includes speed, cornering, braking etc until I have the right amount of “seat time”, training and practice which could take a longer or shorter period of time depending on how long it takes for a person to “properly” learn. Also, the “monkey see, monkey do” reaction when trying to keep up with other riders, can definitely lead to trouble!! I Ride My Ride because the other rider may be more or sometimes even less skilled than I am. That’s just my spin on the subject. 😎✌️
Here's a tip from someone who has done it. The circle practice is great, and will work a charm - but don't go too fast. If you exceed the grip of your tyres and have a near-lowside, it will absolutely destroy your confidence. It took me months to completely recover. Rather err on the side of caution. Go fast by all means, but don't be overconfident. To stay within reasonable limits, I used my cellphone to video myself a couple times. Once I got to a good lean angle (the second time around) I didn't go any faster than that.
Love this channel 🧡. Too many riders think a bike licence equips them to be Valentino Rossi out on the roads and get too over-confident with the basics. It's an expensive lesson smashing your bike up rather than going a bit slower and not using street furniture as a brake 😂
The third case was most likely due to the pillion not leaning (possibly out of fear) together with the rider, because when he starts to lean the bike is directed outward, most likely due to the positioning of the pillion (7:03 you can see). This happens a lot to those who are afraid, but the driver needs to notice and guide when he can, gradually inclining curve after curve in driving so that the person feels confident and does what you advise. You can't just get off at once because the person will go to the other side (stay upright) and "pull" the bike for sure.
Thanks for video. Another factor is vision - in 1,2 and 4th crash riders didn't look far enough into the corner (watch camera angle). Just fixated on a bike or 10 meters ahead and didn't feel how much they need to lean bike.
While practicing in the parking lot, if you set up a camera or just have someone video you, you can also get a much better idea of how much you are leaning. I thought I was leaning about twice as much as I actually was, but when I watched the video, I was barely leaning at all...and I have no fear of leaning. It just that you feel like you are leaning more than you are.
So glad that you moved to SA. Many of your new customers over there can learn quite a lot about your proper technical advice and get back home to their loved ones with even more confidence. There is no substitute for better riding skills, Learning and Practicing new skills, every day, every ride - Thanks man for keeping up with the good work for us.
in my experience, at the moment we know we're f*'ed up, it's better to choose a place to land safely than trying anything else, or just not f*'ed up in the first place. and that is why this video is gonna help us to not flying straight into a corner unprepared. thanks for the advice Moto Control, I've saved myself more than a few time in my beginner years with your lessons.
Awesome video!! In my (pretty limited ofc) experience, developing the core muscles helped in being more relaxed on the handlebars :) And of course, exercises from King of the Road that helped to develop the confidence with counter steering!
I bought my first bike 2 days ago. No prior experience. Countersteering comes naturally to me. Plus I watched a lot of videos. I don’t even think about how to turn. I just do it. Hit the highway straight away and took the bike home about 20 minutes away. Been riding all day today, and doing practicing maneuvers. Can do tight slow speed U-turns no problem. Can rev match brake by the end of the day smoothly. I love it! I was meant to ride
Practicing slow manoeuvres regularly does miracles for bike control and increasing lean angle that pays dividends when riding at speed on twisty roads.
Motorcycle cliches have a little bit of truth in them. "Outside Inside, Outside", "Early Apex, Run Wide At the Exit", "Go Deep, Turn Hard", "Ride Your Own Ride". "Plan your Ride, Ride Your Plan". The first three are related. "Outside, Inside, Outside" means start your turn at the Outside of the corner, move to the Inside of the corner in the middle (apex), move to the Outside at the exit. "Early Apex, Run Wide At the Exit" (don't do) means that you tried "Inside, Inside, Outside". You have to go slower and turn harder if start at the inside of the turn. "Go Deep, Turn Hard" (do) is what you should be doing. If you can go to full lean at corner entry (no brakes) you have the right line. "Ride Your Own Ride" means that you should ride at your own pace, not follow someone who is doing things you don't understand. "Plan Your RIde, Ride Your Plan." You should have an idea of the correct position, speed and acceleration you want to use as you come up to a corner. Correct as needed, but as you get better you will be Riding Your Plan and not need any correction. On an unknown road, trail braking is safest as you are slowing into the turn. As Moto Control said, counter steering and trail braking are important. I learned to counter steer just by going from the left side of the lane to the right and back again without leaning my body. Practicing trail braking will give you the experience to handle an "in too hot" corner. As you slow down you can turn harder. You want to practice this before you need it. Trail braking always makes the front end seem heavy and stiff. Don't give up on the corner, you can probably save it. Safety margins are awesome on the street. Safety margins in terms of space or speed. You can practice the right line at a lower speed and use the same line when you speed up. Going slower gives you time to think. Going faster, you have no time to think. When you are stuck behind slow traffic, make your lines perfect. Happy riding!
Main issue is also to look where you want to go, not where you are going. The straight in the bend are also happening because the rider looks where he is going to touch/fall
Im a self taught rider. I had my first dirtbike 11yrs old. First streetbike was a R1 in "99" i definitely had no businesses on that bike but i never crashed that one. Crashed too many times i dont care how good you are if you live where i live its inevitable. I always had good gear. 43yrs old now and i still am learning. I had a S1KRR for 10yrs now and i still go to parking lots and practice. Watch where you wanna go is the biggest tip i could give. And if you like high speed wheelies ditch the electronic stabelizer and get a hydraulic one.Have patience. Ride safe
On my testride for my first bike i had such a situation I was too fast for the corner and what i did i increased lean angle got into the other lane of traffic but there wasnt any car coming and saved it🎉😂
Finally, someone mentioning tyres. So many of those accidents on motostars, etc wouldn't happen if people had good tyres that were inflated to a level that allowed the tyre to warm up properly. A good example is your carpark lean exercise shown at the end on an mt03 with road 6 tyres on a 20degC day. At recommended pressures the front will start to push at very small lean and relatively low speed. Stopping and feeling the tyres they won't feel like they have any heat in them at all. You have to lower the pressure by as much as 30% to even start to get them to warm up enough to grip properly at higher lean. Almost no one covers tyres though despite them being almost universally responsible for lowside crashes on the street.
So, you are suggesting that we ride with drastically reduced tyre pressures until they're warmed up, and then pump them up again? I think common sense would tell most people to just ride a bit more conservatively until the tyres are up to temp. Unless you're on the track, and even then I've never heard of anyone going to those lengths. Have fun.
Yaa I did not realise even I do counter steering while cornering before seeing the video. Now since I've realised that I counter steer it really easy, just slow down a little bit by using your rear brakes, now counter steer and tilt your bike a bit more. I also downshift and rev match around tight corners to increase the traction.
I used to think I was afraid of leaning more when I started riding. I pretty much turned into a corner and chose a lean angle and just kept it there until the corner was over. Sometimes I needed to turn and lean more but couldn't. It wasn't that I was afraid of leaning more althought I was afraid of running wide. I just didn't know how to do it. But it wasn't target fixation or fear. To lean more I needed to countersteer - turn away from the corner to get the bike to lean more and turn more. The opposite what my hands and shoulders wanted to do! I did some low speed turns just fast enough that I needed to countersteer and I really worked on it until I was confident. Then I took some winding roads and switched from left to right to left to right side of my lane in corners. In the end I learned it really quickly.
(havent watched the whole video so idk if its mentioned yet) just a little safety tip too, check how grippy your tires are, especially with chinese brands. My tires are more plastic than rubber so leaning too much, in my case, may end badly. Be safe and safe riding folks :)
Ive had a similar thing happen to me in a corner, my body wanted to straighten up and hit the brakes but my mind said counter steer more and stare at exit and i made it through. Was scary at the time.
Another Greatly helpful video 👍. But You forgot to mention that leaning on mountain roads is easier due to the angular roads as compared to flat roads in planes.
had met an increasingly sharpening corner a few days ago. was going pretty fast. tried breaking gently but that was not helpful as it messed up with my trajectory. so I leaned progressively more and more, while trying to maintain steady pace, gently accelerated near the end, and exited alive. I can tell that my lean angle was way more than I ever leaned this bike before, the sensation of going sideways, and I"m still not sure how far from sliding I was at this moment. adventure 790 so its a pretty high bike. with that one ahead of me, now I have more trust in my tires.
3:39 Is it just me, or is this one downshifting to slow down, but not using - or covering - the front brake...while approaching (and blowing through) a stop sign? So many things I wonder - starting with how he's survived this long.
I once rode with a group of people who sped way above the posted speed limits and ultimately left me in the dust. Once I caught up, they ragged on me for going slow, even though I wasn't, it just wasn't fast enough for them. I was a newer rider, but from that point on, I was forced to ride alone as I wasn't reckless. I want to ride for as long as I can. If I'm dead, that's the end of riding. Never ride beyond your skill level! And never feel as though you have to impress someone or "fit in." Speeding has killed a lot of people.
I just go by the rule of don't bomb it down a road you don't understand. When you've been on the roads enough times, you are just improving your muscle memory and becoming more efficient at that particular route.
Sounds out of place, but I needed to ride my bicycle for many many months until I truly understood how far I could lean and how beneficial it is. Obviously riding a motorcycle is much harder, but I also argue that the faster you are, the more you can lean so don't be afraid y'all!
Foot off the bike is risky. Make sure you NEVER put your foot IN FRONT OF the foot peg because your will get gripped and your ankle will be snapped by the foot peg. Foot off is more of an advanced technique that i never use unless on a Supermoto off road.
I think there’s a bigger reason they went wide and crashed. It comes before counter steering: not knowing how to handle target fixation. It makes you freeze and not counter steer. A little bit of anxiety going into a turn turns into target fixation turns into ‘why is my bike not turning’ and you’re screwed. Consciously avoid fixating, and look into the turn. And of course, consciously counter steer. It works wonders
I ride a Yamaha Road Star and drag my floor boards all the time through corners. I started riding when I was 5 on dirt bikes in the early 1980s, moved to sports bikes when I was old enough in the 1990s and now that I am an old fart I ride big ol fat cruisers. Being able to control the bike properly takes practice, and isn't something you should ignore and go willy nilly out there. Anytime I get a new bike I spend countless hours practicing cornering in an empty parking lot until I am comfortable enough to drag hard parts. Than once I feel I have learned the physical limits of my bike do I take that bike out into everyday traffic. In the 40+ years of riding I can confidently say, practice, practice, practice, makes you a better rider.
Of course you're right Andrei, but the line through the bend the first rider has is only for the hard-core speedsters. The right way to negotiate that bend is to start from the curb-side and then steer into the bend. With this technique it's enough to move mainly your head into it. Many videos here on YT in similar situations call the error 'target fixation', and it might partly be true, but the main initial flaw is incorrect positioning one's bike at negotiating a winding road - call it too close to the wind, if you will 🙂
6:44 I don’t think you caught it but he pulled the clutch and lost his engine braking. The tachometer went all the way down and the lever was pulled. If you’re slowing down and pull the clutch in or shift to neutral it feels terrible and empty bc you don’t have the engine slowing you down anymore.
@ absolutely, anyone that rides on adverse terrain will be pretty much road ready. I raced enduro’s so I was pretty wild on a bike 40 years ago 😆 woods riding is the most fun you can have on two wheels. Again, only my opinion. Be safe out there and Happy Holidays
I agree, your solution, countersteer, would have avoided all of those accidents. But I disagree that the riders "were frightened to lean their bikes". You can see some of them change body position, and at slower speeds that might have been enough to allow the bike to be tipped physically. But the one thing all those examples have in common is that the handle bars stay straight. That suggests the fallers had no idea about countersteering.
Interesting. I have never realized that counter-steering in the middle of a corner, helps you lean more into the corner so you don't leave the road when the corner tightens up.
No, you just suck. They're very easy to keep constant. You just hold your hand steady. Newer bikes, especially sport bikes have a more shallow throttle tube rotation. It only takes a couple millimeters of rotation. They're not like those old cruisers where you have to twist the throttle 360 degrees to open it up and have to constantly crank it to keep the engine running. Also the fuel injection doesn't really affect it. Its just the throttle tube size and cable tension, or if you're bike has ride by wire it just depends on the programming and settings.
As always Love your video's! And don't bother making a bigger circle for a BMW GS or R1200RT (which I own), they may look pretty big and intimidating, but they are awesome for MotoGymkhana and so easy to lean and flip over to the other side!
i think position of feet on the foot pegs is also a huge game changer, its hard to see where their feet were in those example videos but i bet they didn't have their feet on the pegs properly, you can really feel 100% better balanced for the corners when sat properly on the pegs and not hovering over the rear brake or gear selector with only your heels on the pegs. i think i got this tip from you I'm not sure, but i certainly lean more like that.
I think you should acknowledge that there is some correct basic instinct and the problem is that it cannot be applied to curves. The instict is: "if I straighten up I can brake harder on the front brake" which is true but often you don't have enough space to do it, so it only works for small corrections. So what I think happens is that as you start learning, you realize you can bail out of curves in this way, then no one corrects it and you keep using it, you take the curves faster and faster without addressing the instict that you build up that you can bail from the curve Eventually it stops working because it *quickly stops working* with higher speeds because you don't just go faster, you go more to the edges, so you remove space twice (with more speed and with wider line), and suddenly you have no tool to bail out it's not enough to train how to curve and lean, you have to learn how to bail out of curves and lean! you need to learn to stop in a curve and in my opinion the progression is: release gas to engine brake, use rear brake, enter with lower gear so that engine brake works more, and then, only then, learn to add leaning angle while in the curve because, as opposed to the other tree before this, this one *adds weight to the front tire*, so it's the one option that actually brings you closer to the safety margin rather than increasing the safety margin if many people do the same mistake, it's not enough to explain what is the good reason for the good solution, you must give a good reason for the bad solution happening and I think this is it.
A surprising amount of people believe you simply cannot stop while in a turn. Either braking will simply cause a low side, or the bike will magically pop out of the lean. It's baffling.
Maybe if I misunderstood: if you do a decent amount of rear breaking and add weight to front you will definitely low side because you will be asking too much from the rear. You rear break and decrease weight from there at the same time. Perhaps you mean front break instead? Does leaning add more weight to the front or the back?
I don't know if there is more or less weight at the front with rear or engine brake, but the geometry for sure is more compressed at the front just like front braking. I do know from using it that if you don't change the lean angle, then front brake and acceleration will send you wider, engine and rear brake will send you tighter, and if there was a front wheel drive motorcycle (I am thinking electric motor in the front hub) then likely front wheel acceleration will send you tighter and front wheel engine braking will send you wider. All this of course affected by different geometry (suspensions) behaviour. This is why I don't like to think in terms of weight and rather think in terms of engine braking: if are in a situation where you believe that more engine braking is better, then you should also believe you can use the rear brake because the effect is the same (they both decelerate the rear wheel). If indeed "slowing the rear takes weight off the front and that's bad" then releasing the gas should be equally bad (which it can be). The danger with rear braking is that it's easier to lock the rear wheel (here I agree it's fairly understandable to say it's because you have no weight on the rear), but this will also happen with engine braking or downshifting, if the rear slows down too abruptly for any reason (I am thinking a very jerky downshift or letting off the gass abruptly on a high torque motorcycle), it will lock and slide. So you have to be careful and progressive on the rear brake in a curve, but that also applies to the front. What I am trying to say is that a very controlled rear brake will feel like you are regaining control of the curve rather than bailing out, because it will tighten it and slow it down at the same time. I learned this at my 2nd or 3rd track day and was very surprised no one explained it like this. But again, as I realized later and said in another comment, I might be biased because my Honda CBR600f4i feels extremely stable and smooth compared to other motorcycles I've tried (kawa er6f, yamaha mt07, ducati supersport), the rear brake is extremely weak in the first part of travel and easy to regulate, the sterring is extremely steady, comes out of wobbles immediately, regaings traction easily and gives grip chatter rather than sliding in good grip conditions, so this might not be easy to do with other motorcycles.
I love your videos! The instruction is so clear and easy to understand, even for someone with a learning disability like myself. Do u ever have classes in the USA? I'm in South Florida and would really like to take a class. Thank you!
On that last video, there is a passenger. I can bet that the passenger played a major role in that crash. Brief your passenger, and make sure they are comfortable with being on the back. (Passenger foot and leg seen @ 7:25 )
I was going to say the same thing. My buddy's first time going out with his girlfriend, she was leaning away from the lean, and almost crashed them several times, even though he specifically told her not to do that
I can lean pretty good but still a little afraid to do them like others like knee and elbow dragging. What I'm afraid of the most is our roads. In my country improper road construction left our roads with a "looks fine" look but when you go through it sudden small drops, very small potholes, sand, mud, etc. Which might be nothing to cars, but to motorcycles? To me it looks like the workers are just pocketing the money and putting in the effort and just repair the road to the same state when it gets too broken up to get more money Low quality work = lower lifespan Lower lifespan = more repairs More repairs = more money
Also, sudden changes in head position can disturb people when leaning. Learn to move your head gradually towards the inside mirror BEFORE you countersteer.
This is why more people need to start riding on lower capacity bikes. You need to practice and learn a lot of things before even thinking about going fast. It's much easier to learn on a light flickable bike.
You would be surprised how many new riders don’t know how to steer. They apply steering wheel mindsets to the motorcycle bar. I think when they try to turn the bars and the bike turns the opposite they stop this approach but then start using shifting body weight as their method to turn. Instead of press left to go left, press right to go right.
@@coochergates4000 Bicycle riding mechanics and motorcycle are very different. Bicycles don’t have that same gyroscopic effect. Like when you apply the throttle and the MC wants to stand up on its own.
Yeah I'm gonna be afraid to lean for a few weeks. Bunch of loose dirt and gravel apparently got washed into the road and I was into a pretty heavy lean and only saw it the second before i hit it. Luckily I had just turned onto that road and was only at 20ish mph Time to invest in a better jacket and pants. Just happened today and just got done dressing my road rash. Glad I had a good helmet, gloves and boots but it's clearly not enough 😭
I'm a new rider, but come from lots of motorsport and driving theory, especially dirt. I'm tarmac new rider, but I use my *rear* break A LOT. I love the rotation it gives, and was suprised to not see it recommended here? I know it can't *stop* you really, but doesn't it do everything the front brake does, but better, appart from emergencies? If it locks up you can let go and recover a lot more easily AND it would help with tightening a turn, no? Love the channel!
That bit about the straight line riders taking an off ramp killed me 😂😂
"Straight line exclusive" had me chuckling too😂
Hahaha for real 😂
Had me rolling 😂😂😂
Wall ride bonus points
me too 😂😂
Liked
The brake assist lamppost 😂😂😂
Everyone needs one...😅
That looked like a brutal crash tbh
Fun fact: He had a passenger(you can see the legs when the post stopped them) so they both experienced the break assist lamppost experience, but the passenger had a much softer landing experience LMAO.
That one ecracked me up!! 🤣🤣
6:44 The video is from India and I am from India. The motorcycle he is riding is Benelli TNT 600i. It doesn't have traction control in the first place. Some models have ABS but no traction control. The guy is just blaming the bike for his incapability.
@@akashnag3879 riding in India is excellent training 😍
@@akashnag3879 exactly! It was Mumbai, my hometown and I felt so bad seeing this. I mean how can he be so careless? I bet that was a 60kph section and a corner meaning best to not overtake on turns and he was doing 80+ and overtaking meaning he was either in a hurry/ plain throttle happy. He also seems to be distracted and was not focusing on a moving target after passing the car. Something which comes naturally to those who have ridden 1000s of kilometers without overconfidence. Even if there was gravel or a wet patch, he could have easily made that turn. Back in the late 90's and even early 2000's, even a front disc brake was a luxury on a motorcycle. We never had the exposure that today's no bikers have to so much tech and valuable riding lessons and channels online, yes we made our share of errors too but nothing as stupid as this one to those with experience. My best guess, yet another guy riding a bike more capable than his basic skill level. You naturally get scared on a bigger bike if you don't have the skills and practice. Even if you do get a big bike, take your time and grow into it.
All said and done, riding a motorcycle is one thing where we really don't need more tech than actual raw skills that come from hours of practice and education. You have two wheels lesser than a car and are exposed to danger even at crawling speeds. It's our duty to ourselves and our loved ones to educate and improve our riding/driving. Myself included.
@@MichaelScalet72 haha it certainly has its perks in some ways. We become hyper aware of situations to the point where it becomes natural to those of us who want to ride/drive for many decades and not for cheap thrills with expensive bills or worse. Which is why expats to India get a traffic culture shock when they drive in Indian cities.
@@akashnag3879 would be hard to have tc when coasting on the clutch, too
also if you didn't notice it maybe wasn't completely his mistake because in the last frames of the clip you can see that he has a passenger too
Such a refreshing change to get some serious, useful explanations of what was done wrong instead of just screaming, "target fixation!" like so many others do. I think some people don't like to acknowledge they can be afraid.
yeah, but also target fixation is real, but this channel has very good videos on this separate issue
@janwanderer7660 I think the first video is an example of target fixation. Because I swear his first two corners he *does* lean more, but because he is suprised he looks at the exit, and stops leaning(and then applies brake-yadayadafall).
Love this channel so much!
I agree. Thing abt target fix is you can fixate for a sec and its all it takes. I think he gotconfused by the exit fixated for a second then didnt have the skill to recover from the now long overshot turn. Correct move i think was to remain calm brake lightly while fixing your fixation then lean hard to recover.
I just rode my first twisties last weekend, and the main thing that I kept in my head while riding is to ride within my limits. If I see someone pushing their corners and I know I can't keep up, I'll just let them ride their ride and then catch up on the safe straights. Otherwise my cornering is MY zone only. Adding rear brake a bit if i overshoot, slow throttle adjustments, presence of mind on corners, and not riding too fast that my brain can't keep up. That was my mindset. I'll push when I'm confident to push and back down if I don't trust the road, PH roads are so poorly maintained that you kind of have to be running at 100% brain power to spot potholes and gravel.
PH roads are full of unexpected obstacles. We frequently encounter goats sleeping at the apex of some of the best province roads. Nothing quite as thrilling as coming around a blind corner at speed and seeing 6 or 8 goats spread out in the inside lane.
For novice or normal drivers, leaning the bike more (that may eventually result in a lowside) is far less risky than going in the opposite lane or a ditch. I was once surprised with a sharp blind corner and I had no other choice but to lean the bike far more than my comfort zone normally allows. That sent instant shivers down my spine. Still, I rode through the corner without any problems what so ever.
Starting out on a lighter bike is important. Some of these dudes are on 250+cc and are afraid of the weight toppling them over
In india roads are all fakd up with grainy soli and little stones on roads so whenever i lean even slightly on them it feels like im going to slide instantly sending shivers down the spine
@@josedorsaith5261smaller engine bikes, lighter weight, easier to change direction, so the new rider can actually play with cornering and try out techniques while on an easier to manoeuvre bike.
You can't do this on a 600 like you can on a 125, or a 250. There's a reason why so many countries have 125 learners.
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now yep. jumped from 390 to 790 and the first thing I noticed is how incredibly more inert is the input, almost as if there's a giant gyroscope trying to resist changing direction.
@@EvgeniX. Exactly. I had the same thing when I went from a 2-stroke 350 to a CBR600 street sport and it had the heavier steel frame. A lot more effort to change direction especially in an emergency where I'm braking and trying to steer around something.
A car turned into my path and just blocked it when I was doing about 45 and I braked, locked the rear, while trying to steer left, and rear drifted out in the opposite direction to the right towards the car. I eased off the rear brake, the tyre gripped, shimmied the bike, and I made the tiny gap. Just.
The bigger engine has a bigger gyroscope effect. That's probably part of it. And the extra weight too of the bigger bike.
Hope you're enjoying your new ride.
God bless people like you exist. I've been riding for over 2 years now and I lost track of how many teaching videos I'v watched. It is always great to look at even the most basic abilities once in a while. To this day I remember a moment when I was riding on the streets (I own a 125cc bc I live in europe and I am collecting money for a bigger one) I saw two guys on liter bikes ride like absolute maniacs. I decided to chase them a little and oh man you should've seen their faces when I carved a really sharp corner at double their speed. They were so confused at the next lights 😆
My first bike, a used 50cc 4-speed Ducati. Rode it everywhere inside a 75 mile radius; city, country, everywhere, with my wing-bud and his 350 Dream Honda. I hope to once again resurrect my 250 Trials 4-stroke by summer, 2025. Bikes are a lot like APPS are now; a good fit is all it takes! Be safe out there….🎢
7.20 "engaging break assist in the case of a lamp pole" 🤣 - made my day
Fortunately the post missed both his legs!
Remember when i first started riding 16 years ago turning and lean where difficult untill i learned how too. Body position staying relaxed and learning to lean and letting the bike do its thing no forcing. Stay relaxed loose grip on bars let knees and thighs hold u on the bike.
I was one of those self thought, instinctive riders and I ended up having to go into oncoming traffic lane (lucky for me there was no traffic there), because I did not understand how to make the bike lean more when required to do it fast.
I had been riding like that for about 20 years, without actually understanding what it is exactly that makes the bike lean, because the counter-steering concept is so counter-intuitive in it's appearance.
This is why this concept needs to be taught and promoted very aggressivelly on every level....mostly because on surface it makes zero sense to "push right to go right" (or left)...
Basically it comes down to "you don't know that you don't know,"....
In my estimation, about half of all bikers on the road are self taught and consider themselves exoerienced just like I did, based on the years they spent riding, without realizing that they never learned the most CRITICAL basic concept, which is to be able to counter steer.
If it wasn't for my almost accident, I would never even think about trying to analyze any of this...but lucky for me I had mentioned this near miss to a very experienced rider who asked me if I'm familiar with counter steering right of the bat, just to get my blank stare, as I asked him:
"counter what???"
exactly, the first reaction is always OMFG, need to brake and lock in handlebars, when the opposite should be done, just lean more with counter steering and relax.
@janwanderer7660 That is correct sir.
Having said that, most people will never find out that their skills are lacking, until it is too late.
When I look back, I was very lucky that I managed to stay safe for almost 20 years, without even understanding the basics of riding a motorcycle.
I thought of myself as a very experienced rider and if it weren't for my mishap I still would think that, as I had no reason to doubt myself.
Countersteering in particular is somewhat counterintuitive, but with the right analogy it's very simple to grasp. Remember when you were a kid and would balance a long stick on your finger? Same principle, except the bike is doing most of the work for you. You are the stick, and steering moves the finger.
I show people how to counter steer on a bicycle going really slow. I tell them to try to turn the bicycle one way or another without first tipping the bike over and or countersteering subconsciously. Meaning try to deliberately turn without countersteering, and sit back and watch as they start to realize what is going on and how countersteer works. It's always fun to see someone learn something and start to realize what is going on in a controlled and safe environment. I find people learn much faster with hands on training , and a bicycle allows that hand on learner without putting them in any real danger.
Best way to get over this is to get some crash bars so you aren't afraid of dropping it and practice slow speed maneuvering.
The second example is in my town from Romania
The sign is not a cross one it is an bicycle warning because there are many cyclists on that road.
Also the turn is pretty tight so you cannot drive 60 km/h as you have to stop for the cars that come from the left road.
This is an excellent educational video!! I don’t ride beyond my skill level regardless of the situation. That includes speed, cornering, braking etc until I have the right amount of “seat time”, training and practice which could take a longer or shorter period of time depending on how long it takes for a person to “properly” learn. Also, the “monkey see, monkey do” reaction when trying to keep up with other riders, can definitely lead to trouble!! I Ride My Ride because the other rider may be more or sometimes even less skilled than I am. That’s just my spin on the subject. 😎✌️
Here's a tip from someone who has done it.
The circle practice is great, and will work a charm - but don't go too fast. If you exceed the grip of your tyres and have a near-lowside, it will absolutely destroy your confidence. It took me months to completely recover.
Rather err on the side of caution. Go fast by all means, but don't be overconfident.
To stay within reasonable limits, I used my cellphone to video myself a couple times. Once I got to a good lean angle (the second time around) I didn't go any faster than that.
You give solid advice with a sunny disposition and good humor :) and your skills speak for themselves! спасибо!
What a fantastic and helpful video André, you are the GOAT of instructional videos!
Love this channel 🧡. Too many riders think a bike licence equips them to be Valentino Rossi out on the roads and get too over-confident with the basics. It's an expensive lesson smashing your bike up rather than going a bit slower and not using street furniture as a brake 😂
The third case was most likely due to the pillion not leaning (possibly out of fear) together with the rider, because when he starts to lean the bike is directed outward, most likely due to the positioning of the pillion (7:03 you can see). This happens a lot to those who are afraid, but the driver needs to notice and guide when he can, gradually inclining curve after curve in driving so that the person feels confident and does what you advise. You can't just get off at once because the person will go to the other side (stay upright) and "pull" the bike for sure.
Long time no see, happy Christmas my man.
Thanks for video. Another factor is vision - in 1,2 and 4th crash riders didn't look far enough into the corner (watch camera angle). Just fixated on a bike or 10 meters ahead and didn't feel how much they need to lean bike.
While practicing in the parking lot, if you set up a camera or just have someone video you, you can also get a much better idea of how much you are leaning. I thought I was leaning about twice as much as I actually was, but when I watched the video, I was barely leaning at all...and I have no fear of leaning. It just that you feel like you are leaning more than you are.
This is a good tip
You know you're not leaning far enough if your knee is off the pavement
@@jvillain9946 on a 20mph turn? Ok my guy
@@jvillain9946 I leave that for the younger guys. lol
So glad that you moved to SA. Many of your new customers over there can learn quite a lot about your proper technical advice and get back home to their loved ones with even more confidence. There is no substitute for better riding skills, Learning and Practicing new skills, every day, every ride - Thanks man for keeping up with the good work for us.
Thank you for this video. Key : Practice to get over the fear
Initlially when I started to watch the video I was a bit sceptical to the content but later on you have cleared up so many difficulties.
I really love your videos and your humour, I've learn so much from your channel for my midlife crisis biker journey lol. Thanks!
4:35 I feel one major thing people forget is that these roads aren't the track. Regardless of one's skill level, respect the road and the rules.
You are a great teacher, spasivo korosho* from Spain! *Sorry if i butchered it)
in my experience, at the moment we know we're f*'ed up, it's better to choose a place to land safely than trying anything else, or just not f*'ed up in the first place. and that is why this video is gonna help us to not flying straight into a corner unprepared.
thanks for the advice Moto Control, I've saved myself more than a few time in my beginner years with your lessons.
Love your channel, really helpful. The humour had me chuckling in this one. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience. 🙏
Awesome video!! In my (pretty limited ofc) experience, developing the core muscles helped in being more relaxed on the handlebars :) And of course, exercises from King of the Road that helped to develop the confidence with counter steering!
Count Dracula You are 1 wise dude 😊👍 very helpful tips as always, much appreciated ! Cheers from Bundaberg Australia 🇦🇺🍺 🏍
My hearth bleeds for that repsol honda
"any empty parking lot with decent pavement" *cries in balkan*
I bought my first bike 2 days ago. No prior experience. Countersteering comes naturally to me. Plus I watched a lot of videos. I don’t even think about how to turn. I just do it. Hit the highway straight away and took the bike home about 20 minutes away. Been riding all day today, and doing practicing maneuvers. Can do tight slow speed U-turns no problem. Can rev match brake by the end of the day smoothly. I love it! I was meant to ride
I am slowly getting over my fear of lean, thanks to you Andrei..
Practicing slow manoeuvres regularly does miracles for bike control and increasing lean angle that pays dividends when riding at speed on twisty roads.
Worst thing is when you abort your lean and start squeezing the brakes and abs kicks in making you just drive off the road and disappear into the dark
Thanks mate. Always educational AND entertaining 😊
Great video as always mate. Many thanks. It's a great help to the newbie's among us........ me included. 😁
I honestly wish i would have seen this video before my 4 crashes and 3 totalled bikes😢
"Traction Control Lost" 🤣🤣🤣 and Brake Assist Lamppost 😬 haf me chuckling.
Liked the exercise. Have shared.
Merry Christmas.
This tutorial and case studies are gems
Always enjoy watching your videos. 👍
bro comes. drops a awesome vid. leaves respectfully everytime 👍👍
Motorcycle cliches have a little bit of truth in them. "Outside Inside, Outside", "Early Apex, Run Wide At the Exit", "Go Deep, Turn Hard", "Ride Your Own Ride". "Plan your Ride, Ride Your Plan". The first three are related. "Outside, Inside, Outside" means start your turn at the Outside of the corner, move to the Inside of the corner in the middle (apex), move to the Outside at the exit. "Early Apex, Run Wide At the Exit" (don't do) means that you tried "Inside, Inside, Outside". You have to go slower and turn harder if start at the inside of the turn. "Go Deep, Turn Hard" (do) is what you should be doing. If you can go to full lean at corner entry (no brakes) you have the right line. "Ride Your Own Ride" means that you should ride at your own pace, not follow someone who is doing things you don't understand. "Plan Your RIde, Ride Your Plan." You should have an idea of the correct position, speed and acceleration you want to use as you come up to a corner. Correct as needed, but as you get better you will be Riding Your Plan and not need any correction. On an unknown road, trail braking is safest as you are slowing into the turn.
As Moto Control said, counter steering and trail braking are important. I learned to counter steer just by going from the left side of the lane to the right and back again without leaning my body. Practicing trail braking will give you the experience to handle an "in too hot" corner. As you slow down you can turn harder. You want to practice this before you need it. Trail braking always makes the front end seem heavy and stiff. Don't give up on the corner, you can probably save it. Safety margins are awesome on the street. Safety margins in terms of space or speed. You can practice the right line at a lower speed and use the same line when you speed up. Going slower gives you time to think. Going faster, you have no time to think. When you are stuck behind slow traffic, make your lines perfect. Happy riding!
If you only start trail braking when you realize you're "in too hot", you're already well past when you should have started trail braking.
Best wishes and happy new year to you amigo!
Main issue is also to look where you want to go, not where you are going. The straight in the bend are also happening because the rider looks where he is going to touch/fall
Im a self taught rider. I had my first dirtbike 11yrs old. First streetbike was a R1 in "99" i definitely had no businesses on that bike but i never crashed that one. Crashed too many times i dont care how good you are if you live where i live its inevitable. I always had good gear. 43yrs old now and i still am learning. I had a S1KRR for 10yrs now and i still go to parking lots and practice. Watch where you wanna go is the biggest tip i could give. And if you like high speed wheelies ditch the electronic stabelizer and get a hydraulic one.Have patience. Ride safe
Excellent as always....thanks Andrei!!
On my testride for my first bike i had such a situation I was too fast for the corner and what i did i increased lean angle got into the other lane of traffic but there wasnt any car coming and saved it🎉😂
hello from France. Top!. Je viens de m'abonner. merci pour ces vidéos très bien expliquées!!
Finally, someone mentioning tyres. So many of those accidents on motostars, etc wouldn't happen if people had good tyres that were inflated to a level that allowed the tyre to warm up properly.
A good example is your carpark lean exercise shown at the end on an mt03 with road 6 tyres on a 20degC day. At recommended pressures the front will start to push at very small lean and relatively low speed. Stopping and feeling the tyres they won't feel like they have any heat in them at all. You have to lower the pressure by as much as 30% to even start to get them to warm up enough to grip properly at higher lean.
Almost no one covers tyres though despite them being almost universally responsible for lowside crashes on the street.
So, you are suggesting that we ride with drastically reduced tyre pressures until they're warmed up, and then pump them up again? I think common sense would tell most people to just ride a bit more conservatively until the tyres are up to temp. Unless you're on the track, and even then I've never heard of anyone going to those lengths. Have fun.
Yaa I did not realise even I do counter steering while cornering before seeing the video. Now since I've realised that I counter steer it really easy, just slow down a little bit by using your rear brakes, now counter steer and tilt your bike a bit more. I also downshift and rev match around tight corners to increase the traction.
5:40 that wall ride was badass though.
I used to think I was afraid of leaning more when I started riding. I pretty much turned into a corner and chose a lean angle and just kept it there until the corner was over. Sometimes I needed to turn and lean more but couldn't. It wasn't that I was afraid of leaning more althought I was afraid of running wide. I just didn't know how to do it. But it wasn't target fixation or fear.
To lean more I needed to countersteer - turn away from the corner to get the bike to lean more and turn more. The opposite what my hands and shoulders wanted to do!
I did some low speed turns just fast enough that I needed to countersteer and I really worked on it until I was confident. Then I took some winding roads and switched from left to right to left to right side of my lane in corners. In the end I learned it really quickly.
(havent watched the whole video so idk if its mentioned yet)
just a little safety tip too, check how grippy your tires are, especially with chinese brands. My tires are more plastic than rubber so leaning too much, in my case, may end badly. Be safe and safe riding folks :)
Excellent. Thanks for this advice. 👍🙏
You've always have explained leaning so well in previous videos. This is yet a great explanation. I'm looking forward to taking your class..
Ive had a similar thing happen to me in a corner, my body wanted to straighten up and hit the brakes but my mind said counter steer more and stare at exit and i made it through. Was scary at the time.
Another Greatly helpful video 👍.
But You forgot to mention that leaning on mountain roads is easier due to the angular roads as compared to flat roads in planes.
Yes, but mountain roads tend to have their own surprises😁
had met an increasingly sharpening corner a few days ago. was going pretty fast. tried breaking gently but that was not helpful as it messed up with my trajectory. so I leaned progressively more and more, while trying to maintain steady pace, gently accelerated near the end, and exited alive. I can tell that my lean angle was way more than I ever leaned this bike before, the sensation of going sideways, and I"m still not sure how far from sliding I was at this moment. adventure 790 so its a pretty high bike. with that one ahead of me, now I have more trust in my tires.
3:39 Is it just me, or is this one downshifting to slow down, but not using - or covering - the front brake...while approaching (and blowing through) a stop sign? So many things I wonder - starting with how he's survived this long.
Jup.
I once rode with a group of people who sped way above the posted speed limits and ultimately left me in the dust. Once I caught up, they ragged on me for going slow, even though I wasn't, it just wasn't fast enough for them. I was a newer rider, but from that point on, I was forced to ride alone as I wasn't reckless. I want to ride for as long as I can. If I'm dead, that's the end of riding. Never ride beyond your skill level! And never feel as though you have to impress someone or "fit in." Speeding has killed a lot of people.
I just go by the rule of don't bomb it down a road you don't understand. When you've been on the roads enough times, you are just improving your muscle memory and becoming more efficient at that particular route.
Sounds out of place, but I needed to ride my bicycle for many many months until I truly understood how far I could lean and how beneficial it is.
Obviously riding a motorcycle is much harder, but I also argue that the faster you are, the more you can lean so don't be afraid y'all!
Foot off the bike is risky. Make sure you NEVER put your foot IN FRONT OF the foot peg because your will get gripped and your ankle will be snapped by the foot peg. Foot off is more of an advanced technique that i never use unless on a Supermoto off road.
I think there’s a bigger reason they went wide and crashed. It comes before counter steering: not knowing how to handle target fixation. It makes you freeze and not counter steer. A little bit of anxiety going into a turn turns into target fixation turns into ‘why is my bike not turning’ and you’re screwed. Consciously avoid fixating, and look into the turn. And of course, consciously counter steer. It works wonders
I ride a Yamaha Road Star and drag my floor boards all the time through corners. I started riding when I was 5 on dirt bikes in the early 1980s, moved to sports bikes when I was old enough in the 1990s and now that I am an old fart I ride big ol fat cruisers. Being able to control the bike properly takes practice, and isn't something you should ignore and go willy nilly out there. Anytime I get a new bike I spend countless hours practicing cornering in an empty parking lot until I am comfortable enough to drag hard parts. Than once I feel I have learned the physical limits of my bike do I take that bike out into everyday traffic. In the 40+ years of riding I can confidently say, practice, practice, practice, makes you a better rider.
great video brother, very good information❤
Of course you're right Andrei, but the line through the bend the first rider has is only for the hard-core speedsters. The right way to negotiate that bend is to start from the curb-side and then steer into the bend. With this technique it's enough to move mainly your head into it. Many videos here on YT in similar situations call the error 'target fixation', and it might partly be true, but the main initial flaw is incorrect positioning one's bike at negotiating a winding road - call it too close to the wind, if you will 🙂
6:44 I don’t think you caught it but he pulled the clutch and lost his engine braking. The tachometer went all the way down and the lever was pulled. If you’re slowing down and pull the clutch in or shift to neutral it feels terrible and empty bc you don’t have the engine slowing you down anymore.
Everyone should start on the dirt, just my opinion but it truly helps you prepare for the road in so many ways, bike control being crucial.
@ absolutely, anyone that rides on adverse terrain will be pretty much road ready. I raced enduro’s so I was pretty wild on a bike 40 years ago 😆 woods riding is the most fun you can have on two wheels. Again, only my opinion. Be safe out there and Happy Holidays
I agree, your solution, countersteer, would have avoided all of those accidents.
But I disagree that the riders "were frightened to lean their bikes". You can see some of them change body position, and at slower speeds that might have been enough to allow the bike to be tipped physically. But the one thing all those examples have in common is that the handle bars stay straight. That suggests the fallers had no idea about countersteering.
Muricans and corners are sworn enemies... They just love those very technical straights! :D
bravo, great presentation, you are the best!
Interesting. I have never realized that counter-steering in the middle of a corner, helps you lean more into the corner so you don't leave the road when the corner tightens up.
Modern fuel injection throttles are almost always difficult to keep constant, either at 2k revs or off.
No, you just suck. They're very easy to keep constant. You just hold your hand steady. Newer bikes, especially sport bikes have a more shallow throttle tube rotation. It only takes a couple millimeters of rotation. They're not like those old cruisers where you have to twist the throttle 360 degrees to open it up and have to constantly crank it to keep the engine running. Also the fuel injection doesn't really affect it. Its just the throttle tube size and cable tension, or if you're bike has ride by wire it just depends on the programming and settings.
@jvillain9946 No it's the instant cut-off of fuel on throttle-down instead of linear reduction.
As always Love your video's!
And don't bother making a bigger circle for a BMW GS or R1200RT (which I own), they may look pretty big and intimidating, but they are awesome for MotoGymkhana and so easy to lean and flip over to the other side!
That banking in Monza is not a joke. Been there.
i think position of feet on the foot pegs is also a huge game changer, its hard to see where their feet were in those example videos but i bet they didn't have their feet on the pegs properly, you can really feel 100% better balanced for the corners when sat properly on the pegs and not hovering over the rear brake or gear selector with only your heels on the pegs.
i think i got this tip from you I'm not sure, but i certainly lean more like that.
you do great videos - thanks!
I think you should acknowledge that there is some correct basic instinct and the problem is that it cannot be applied to curves. The instict is: "if I straighten up I can brake harder on the front brake" which is true but often you don't have enough space to do it, so it only works for small corrections.
So what I think happens is that as you start learning, you realize you can bail out of curves in this way, then no one corrects it and you keep using it, you take the curves faster and faster without addressing the instict that you build up that you can bail from the curve
Eventually it stops working because it *quickly stops working* with higher speeds because you don't just go faster, you go more to the edges, so you remove space twice (with more speed and with wider line), and suddenly you have no tool to bail out
it's not enough to train how to curve and lean, you have to learn how to bail out of curves and lean!
you need to learn to stop in a curve and in my opinion the progression is: release gas to engine brake, use rear brake, enter with lower gear so that engine brake works more, and then, only then, learn to add leaning angle while in the curve because, as opposed to the other tree before this, this one *adds weight to the front tire*, so it's the one option that actually brings you closer to the safety margin rather than increasing the safety margin
if many people do the same mistake, it's not enough to explain what is the good reason for the good solution, you must give a good reason for the bad solution happening and I think this is it.
A surprising amount of people believe you simply cannot stop while in a turn. Either braking will simply cause a low side, or the bike will magically pop out of the lean.
It's baffling.
Maybe if I misunderstood: if you do a decent amount of rear breaking and add weight to front you will definitely low side because you will be asking too much from the rear. You rear break and decrease weight from there at the same time. Perhaps you mean front break instead? Does leaning add more weight to the front or the back?
I don't know if there is more or less weight at the front with rear or engine brake, but the geometry for sure is more compressed at the front just like front braking.
I do know from using it that if you don't change the lean angle, then front brake and acceleration will send you wider, engine and rear brake will send you tighter, and if there was a front wheel drive motorcycle (I am thinking electric motor in the front hub) then likely front wheel acceleration will send you tighter and front wheel engine braking will send you wider. All this of course affected by different geometry (suspensions) behaviour.
This is why I don't like to think in terms of weight and rather think in terms of engine braking: if are in a situation where you believe that more engine braking is better, then you should also believe you can use the rear brake because the effect is the same (they both decelerate the rear wheel).
If indeed "slowing the rear takes weight off the front and that's bad" then releasing the gas should be equally bad (which it can be).
The danger with rear braking is that it's easier to lock the rear wheel (here I agree it's fairly understandable to say it's because you have no weight on the rear), but this will also happen with engine braking or downshifting, if the rear slows down too abruptly for any reason (I am thinking a very jerky downshift or letting off the gass abruptly on a high torque motorcycle), it will lock and slide.
So you have to be careful and progressive on the rear brake in a curve, but that also applies to the front.
What I am trying to say is that a very controlled rear brake will feel like you are regaining control of the curve rather than bailing out, because it will tighten it and slow it down at the same time.
I learned this at my 2nd or 3rd track day and was very surprised no one explained it like this. But again, as I realized later and said in another comment, I might be biased because my Honda CBR600f4i feels extremely stable and smooth compared to other motorcycles I've tried (kawa er6f, yamaha mt07, ducati supersport), the rear brake is extremely weak in the first part of travel and easy to regulate, the sterring is extremely steady, comes out of wobbles immediately, regaings traction easily and gives grip chatter rather than sliding in good grip conditions, so this might not be easy to do with other motorcycles.
I laughed so much about you commentary about the group of straight riders
Thanks for this , it is really helpful.
My fear of crashing overwhelms any fear of leaning
The 2 out of 3 on the off-ramp was insane.
I love your videos! The instruction is so clear and easy to understand, even for someone with a learning disability like myself. Do u ever have classes in the USA? I'm in South Florida and would really like to take a class. Thank you!
I certainly wish to visit sometime, but we'll see how it goes!
On that last video, there is a passenger. I can bet that the passenger played a major role in that crash. Brief your passenger, and make sure they are comfortable with being on the back. (Passenger foot and leg seen @ 7:25 )
I was going to say the same thing. My buddy's first time going out with his girlfriend, she was leaning away from the lean, and almost crashed them several times, even though he specifically told her not to do that
The only times I'm afraid to lean, are road corners covered in ice, snow, sand, gravel, wet leaves/grass, or painted lines after it rains.
I can lean pretty good but still a little afraid to do them like others like knee and elbow dragging. What I'm afraid of the most is our roads. In my country improper road construction left our roads with a "looks fine" look but when you go through it sudden small drops, very small potholes, sand, mud, etc. Which might be nothing to cars, but to motorcycles? To me it looks like the workers are just pocketing the money and putting in the effort and just repair the road to the same state when it gets too broken up to get more money
Low quality work = lower lifespan
Lower lifespan = more repairs
More repairs = more money
Also, sudden changes in head position can disturb people when leaning. Learn to move your head gradually towards the inside mirror BEFORE you countersteer.
Target fixation, and the bikes also are destabilised because they only start braking in the middle of corners, instead of trailbraking ;)
No entiendo: ¿hay una señal de stop y una raya blanca en el asfalto y nadie se para? ¿Que es lo que indica?
A good remainder coach
Great Video. Thanks for Sharing
This is why more people need to start riding on lower capacity bikes. You need to practice and learn a lot of things before even thinking about going fast. It's much easier to learn on a light flickable bike.
You would be surprised how many new riders don’t know how to steer. They apply steering wheel mindsets to the motorcycle bar. I think when they try to turn the bars and the bike turns the opposite they stop this approach but then start using shifting body weight as their method to turn. Instead of press left to go left, press right to go right.
And yet they probably ride a bicycle without any problems! It's got me stumped.
@@coochergates4000 Bicycle riding mechanics and motorcycle are very different. Bicycles don’t have that same gyroscopic effect. Like when you apply the throttle and the MC wants to stand up on its own.
Yeah I'm gonna be afraid to lean for a few weeks. Bunch of loose dirt and gravel apparently got washed into the road and I was into a pretty heavy lean and only saw it the second before i hit it. Luckily I had just turned onto that road and was only at 20ish mph Time to invest in a better jacket and pants. Just happened today and just got done dressing my road rash. Glad I had a good helmet, gloves and boots but it's clearly not enough 😭
Thank you for the lessons
I like your videos, Thank you.
I'm a new rider, but come from lots of motorsport and driving theory, especially dirt. I'm tarmac new rider, but I use my *rear* break A LOT. I love the rotation it gives, and was suprised to not see it recommended here? I know it can't *stop* you really, but doesn't it do everything the front brake does, but better, appart from emergencies? If it locks up you can let go and recover a lot more easily AND it would help with tightening a turn, no?
Love the channel!