I have been using the same bottle of Autoglym EGP for about 15 years, just get it out once or twice a year and still going. Prefer to reduce the cure time a bit as otherwise gets hard to buff off. I got a bottle of Turtle Wax Grapheme Flex Wax on offer recently and it is better product except maybe value for money. But I'll keep using the EGP till it's gone, unless it outlives me.
My pick among those is actually the Collinite, which lost points on it's application, but was just off the podium on both ratings. The secret of that stuff is actually something you mentioned, machine application. A little goes a long way by machine, making it cheaper, and the machine will spread it more thinly than you can by hand. It also goes faster and easier that way too. Between that and Fleetwax (as a paste), I consider the Collinite best overall dedicated wax products, and other than the tricky application, nobody with any real experience will argue with you. For me, performance beats my personal well being, so things like ease of use, scent, etc., are secondary considerations.
I’m a fan of Collinite in the summer when it’s warmer out. It tends to be a lot thinner and super easy to spread. Found it also a doddle to work with in direct sunlight too which is a bonus.
Fusso F7, Very good price, durability and excellent hydrofobic. Autoglym Extra Gloss Protection!! I used it 7 years ago....About Colinite there is the 476s. Good choice for the winter. In the video the Autoglym is the Extra Gloss Protection. In the Description write "Autoglym SRP" (Super Reasign Polish). Nice video. Nice products. Thank you!
I’ve used quite a few on here and others that aren’t but I really like collenite 845. It’s so so easy to put on and it’s durability is great. It’s my chosen protection this winter. In general from what I’ve used I’m finding these spray waxes to be quite hydrophobic but they simply don’t last as long. I’m going with a carnuba wax as base and top up with quick detailers.
Excellent comparo as always, Jon. Thanks for doing a protection type that doesn't get much attention these days. Something I'd love for you to comment on and show some footage of in your comparos, even if it's too subjective to score, is the filling and darkening/jetting and how they contribute to overall look. You've addressed those categories with Siramik Lustrous and in your glaze comparo, FWIR. I think it's worth at least commenting on for protection products because looks is important to most for choosing LSP. Not to take away anything from your work on gloss measurements, which you're tops on and is super valuable info. Just that I started watching reviews expecting measured gloss to tell me which looks "best," and over time I've realized filling and jetting are more important to me (and I think many others) for the look I want on my car.
Meg’s stuff is so easy to use almost every product. If I go into big store and need something quick it’s always Meguiars. Haven’t tried those others. Been using Brian’s stuff and lithium products for awhile now at home.
Great video John. I'm glad you gave your opinion on what product you like best and was different to the results. Also I'm a fan of meguiar's products normally but would definitely be interested in trying something different in the future 👍
Isn't the Jescar Powerlock + the same as Menzera Powerlock Ultimate Protection? In any way, I like the Menzera Powerlock a lot. It's my favorite sealant.
Regarding glass, you just need something that will lift dirt and then wipe away. Mr Muscle or HG Window cleaner is great, alongside AutoGlym glass polish afterwards for pristine glass. I hear Ungers liquid glass cleaner is great too
Although the Auto Finesse did not bead it DID push ALL the water off the car. Which I would have thought was better than beading the water in place only for it to eventually evaporate and leave watermarks.
Thanks for the informative video has been a eye opener 👍 I was wondering if you can do a test on merzerna powerlock against jescar plus side by side to see the real difference on detergent resistance, if you don't have powerlock I can always send you some
oh yes, sir, the recipe that I use is: carnauba wax, turpentine oil, coconut oil, olive oil, a little Sio2 fine silica powder. Please enlighten me, teacher, what do you think, and what about the strength in the car body, how long is it strong. Thank you very much
Ok, Ill stick my hand up for the Turtle then. Where I come from Turtle wax products are reasonably priced for average punter and does a pretty dam good job. My two cents worth anyways.
Agree. I like it. It’s a good easy to use product with great results. The ‘wet wipe off’ isn’t a big deal to me. It still buffs off with only two towels, which most people use anyways. One damp next dry.
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks for the reply. Do you have a favorite similar product that can be used on ALL exterior surfaces? I'm currently using Sonax PNS and BSD, but the application/removal is quite grabby, and it doesn't leave a slick surface. I'm looking for something with the attributes of Jescar Utralock Plus, but that can be used on glass/ trim/ plastics/ ect. Thanks for all of your informative videos. I really enjoy your channel.
Really enjoyed the video I have the auto finesse and was kind off disappointed with how non hydrophobic it was when I brought it and used it But sad to see how chemical guys did even though it gives you great beads and decent durability it’s very specific and if it’s hard to apply I don’t mind as long as I get what I want Sad to see you didn’t try the jet seal by chemical guys there 12 month protection there at Halfords so I’m lucky get 25% off everything which is alright for me tbh would love a review off the chemical guys jet seal please can send it in if you want
Jon, is the Jescar Ultralock the same product as Menzerna Powerlock? I've used the Menzerna Powerlock on a grey metallic VW Golf GTD and I topped it off with Collinite Insulator wax after 24 hours. Amazing results.
@Forensic Detailing Channel Perhaps I should've done this earlier. I've just had a look online. Jescar is the US brand of Menzerna. Theyre basically the same product, however Ultralock plus contains Sio2. Powerlock is a polymer sealant. Thanks for your reply Jon.
@@iMANC1966 From Jeff Silver-Jescar Finishing Products at the Autogeek forum: Jescar is the importer of Menzerna products in USA. Jescar offers a completely different and unique product line that is in no way the same as Menzerna. Power Lock (latest version is Power Lock Plus) is a Jescar developed, manufactured and sold product and is in no way the same product as the sealant that Menzerna sells. In addition to the Power Lock Plus sealant Jescar also offers the new Ultra Lock Plus which builds on PL+ performance with ceramic technology for longer life and enhanced water beading. Unfortunate confusion when Menzerna decided to use the same name as the Jescar sealant and we certainly regret the confusion.
@Joe T Thanks for the information. I thought they were the same company. Obviously not and their products are not the same. Confusion now cleared up. 👍🏻
Of those, the only ones I have used was the Collinite and the Jescar. I wasn't impressed at all with the Collinite. Good not great. The Jescar was very impressive though. That slick wipe off was really nice. But as mentioned in the original video, Optimum Opti-Seal is my current sealant choice. Just make sure to not level too quickly after application!
I hope the following comment is ok as it will be a rather critical one. The very fact that you did this additional video in which you name products YOU would choose and pick which are NOT the winners of the test shows the limitations of large shootout tests based on point systems and a proclaimed winner. I had this very samd discussion with another TH-camr and it‘s the reason why I personally won‘t do any large comparison tests anymore. The fact of the matter is this: you as a tester can pretty much pick and choose which product wins this test by the testing categories you choose and by the decision to not only give points, but also weigth these categories. If you for example decide that beading is far more important than gloss slickness, then the AutoFinesse would not have won. Also, you already mentioned it: some testing categories are somewhat flawed from the getgo. What I personally experienced is that durability tests based on chemical resistance testing STRONGLY depend on which chemical you use. Some products cope far better with certain surfectants than others. You chose tonuse KC Greenstar, but the results could have been VERY dofferent if you chose to use a different APC. That‘s why chemical resistance testing is somewhat limited in its explanatory power from the start. Gloss testing is another category which is extremely hard to judge. If you publish a video with the results from a large comparison test and you then feel the need to do an additional video in which you name YOUR winners, then in my humble opinion there‘s something wrong with the testing methodology. And as I explained above, every comparison test based on points is somewhat flawed.
yes :) but its so subjective anyway isnt it. Because what I like might not be what others like or vice versa. At least with the original video you get a set piece test on each criteria and you can sort of then make an informed decision and filter out what is not important to you. gloss testing like this is flawed or it requires more testing on other panels with different base physical gloss to get better results.
This is just life isn’t it? Like buying a car, you may be able to buy the best one on paper but the one you really want has some flaws that you’ve happy to deal with. Anyway I’m just surprised Jon didn’t put BH first😉😂
Methodology is methodology. It can aid in forming an opinion, but isn't required. That's is what this video is about. Overall, they're just sort of fun to watch. The *problem* is that these tests should be taken with a grain of salt - and they are instead often taken as gospel truth.
Christ I love these post’s from German Jon and Forensic Dadtailing. Some well thought out critique and friction for a Scene that has been almost completely co-opted by the formulaic American media and their wealthy Hedge funds. A lot of times it feels - for me, like the detailing juice has been fully squeezed out of YT until I read threads like this.
I have been using the same bottle of Autoglym EGP for about 15 years, just get it out once or twice a year and still going. Prefer to reduce the cure time a bit as otherwise gets hard to buff off. I got a bottle of Turtle Wax Grapheme Flex Wax on offer recently and it is better product except maybe value for money. But I'll keep using the EGP till it's gone, unless it outlives me.
Came across this today. I really like Ultralock+. I machine apply. Let set 30 min and it buffs off so easy. Like you mentioned. Durable.
My pick among those is actually the Collinite, which lost points on it's application, but was just off the podium on both ratings. The secret of that stuff is actually something you mentioned, machine application. A little goes a long way by machine, making it cheaper, and the machine will spread it more thinly than you can by hand. It also goes faster and easier that way too. Between that and Fleetwax (as a paste), I consider the Collinite best overall dedicated wax products, and other than the tricky application, nobody with any real experience will argue with you. For me, performance beats my personal well being, so things like ease of use, scent, etc., are secondary considerations.
I’m a fan of Collinite in the summer when it’s warmer out. It tends to be a lot thinner and super easy to spread. Found it also a doddle to work with in direct sunlight too which is a bonus.
Fusso F7, Very good price, durability and excellent hydrofobic. Autoglym Extra Gloss Protection!! I used it 7 years ago....About Colinite there is the 476s. Good choice for the winter. In the video the Autoglym is the Extra Gloss Protection. In the Description write "Autoglym SRP" (Super Reasign Polish). Nice video. Nice products. Thank you!
I’ve used quite a few on here and others that aren’t but I really like collenite 845. It’s so so easy to put on and it’s durability is great. It’s my chosen protection this winter. In general from what I’ve used I’m finding these spray waxes to be quite hydrophobic but they simply don’t last as long. I’m going with a carnuba wax as base and top up with quick detailers.
Jescar Ultra Lock is available in the states. Its my go to for my wash and wax/sealant packages....
Excellent comparo as always, Jon. Thanks for doing a protection type that doesn't get much attention these days. Something I'd love for you to comment on and show some footage of in your comparos, even if it's too subjective to score, is the filling and darkening/jetting and how they contribute to overall look. You've addressed those categories with Siramik Lustrous and in your glaze comparo, FWIR. I think it's worth at least commenting on for protection products because looks is important to most for choosing LSP. Not to take away anything from your work on gloss measurements, which you're tops on and is super valuable info. Just that I started watching reviews expecting measured gloss to tell me which looks "best," and over time I've realized filling and jetting are more important to me (and I think many others) for the look I want on my car.
I've heard lots of good things from people putting on powerlock first, and the 845 on top of that. I've always loved 845 just by itself though.
Meg’s stuff is so easy to use almost every product. If I go into big store and need something quick it’s always Meguiars. Haven’t tried those others. Been using Brian’s stuff and lithium products for awhile now at home.
Great video John. I'm glad you gave your opinion on what product you like best and was different to the results. Also I'm a fan of meguiar's products normally but would definitely be interested in trying something different in the future 👍
Isn't the Jescar Powerlock + the same as Menzera Powerlock Ultimate Protection? In any way, I like the Menzera Powerlock a lot. It's my favorite sealant.
Sounds like the autofinesse would be a fantastic base coat for a good low durability but hydrophobic detail spray
Yer
Regarding glass, you just need something that will lift dirt and then wipe away. Mr Muscle or HG Window cleaner is great, alongside AutoGlym glass polish afterwards for pristine glass. I hear Ungers liquid glass cleaner is great too
I'd like to see some more infinity wax products in your tests 👍🏻
Thanks for sharing. Me personally I’m a fan of TURTLE WAX CERAMIC + GRAPHENE PASTE WAX.
Although the Auto Finesse did not bead it DID push ALL the water off the car. Which I would have thought was better than beading the water in place only for it to eventually evaporate and leave watermarks.
ive tried the megs ceramic wax... super easy product to apply.. fugured the m27 was very similar
Thanks for the informative video has been a eye opener 👍
I was wondering if you can do a test on merzerna powerlock against jescar plus side by side to see the real difference on detergent resistance, if you don't have powerlock I can always send you some
General glass cleaner for the everyday use I found Stoners Invisable Glass cleaner ok and is the best I found for my everyday driver.
Jescar + Collinite = the bomb
oh yes, sir, the recipe that I use is: carnauba wax, turpentine oil, coconut oil, olive oil, a little Sio2 fine silica powder. Please enlighten me, teacher, what do you think, and what about the strength in the car body, how long is it strong. Thank you very much
it depends on wax mate I cant provide direct support my friend its impossible to type to all the questions
@@ForensicDetailing I mean for making teacher wax
Based on the test and your opinion, Auto finesse is the one to get. Not tried the Merguire stuff tbh but don’t see the need to.
love to see you try out that autobrite ceramic migiseal and similar products like it
Hi John, any new standouts in this category?
Jon I like your style of vids much better than others like that pan the advertiser character from Canada 😂
Ok, Ill stick my hand up for the Turtle then. Where I come from Turtle wax products are reasonably priced for average punter and does a pretty dam good job. My two cents worth anyways.
Agree. I like it. It’s a good easy to use product with great results. The ‘wet wipe off’ isn’t a big deal to me. It still buffs off with only two towels, which most people use anyways. One damp next dry.
Howdy, I'd love to see you put Autobrite Supersonic up to the test.
You should have included Carpro's Essence Plus. I will be trying it next season as a sealant.
Yes good shout thst
AIO would be great to include Griots All in One Wax; also Carpro Essence; and lastly Rupes UNO Advance
Love that kefir, good recommendation 👍
Would be good to see the Griots vs the new Rupes Advance
You cant get Jescar in the uk, is it the same as Menzerna Power Lock ultimate?
its not the same but Menzera Powerlock Ultimate Protection looks great. apparently lasts about 4 months on a daily driver.
What do you think of Chemical Guys Jet Seal?
Not hydrophobic enough I think. Prolly acrylic based
John, do you leave all your products in the garage over the winter? Do you worry about them freezing?
yes mate, they dont seem to freeze.
@@ForensicDetailing I bring my stuff inside and fill up the airing cupboard. The Mrs loves ❤️ it
Could you answer a question for me?
Can the Jescar product be applied to ALL exterior surfaces, including textured black plastic?
its a paintwork sealant mate so just use on your car body panels
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks for the reply. Do you have a favorite similar product that can be used on ALL exterior surfaces?
I'm currently using Sonax PNS and BSD, but the application/removal is quite grabby, and it doesn't leave a slick surface.
I'm looking for something with the attributes of Jescar Utralock Plus, but that can be used on glass/ trim/ plastics/ ect.
Thanks for all of your informative videos. I really enjoy your channel.
the alrounders mate tend to be the water bases siloxanes that you spray and rinse. Things like Gyeon wet coat.
can you do this for ceramics?? would be really good to see
I did a few years back
Have you tried Duel Flex Polymer sealant or any similar foam lance spray sealant?
No m8
Coukd I put the AF filler wax over AG SRP and then ass AG UHD wax?
Jon, great video. Where did you get the Jescar from ?
amazon but cant find it, hoepfully in2detailing will get some soon
Really enjoyed the video I have the auto finesse and was kind off disappointed with how non hydrophobic it was when I brought it and used it
But sad to see how chemical guys did even though it gives you great beads and decent durability it’s very specific and if it’s hard to apply I don’t mind as long as I get what I want
Sad to see you didn’t try the jet seal by chemical guys there 12 month protection there at Halfords so I’m lucky get 25% off everything which is alright for me tbh would love a review off the chemical guys jet seal please can send it in if you want
Jon, is the Jescar Ultralock the same product as Menzerna Powerlock? I've used the Menzerna Powerlock on a grey metallic VW Golf GTD and I topped it off with Collinite Insulator wax after 24 hours. Amazing results.
i dont think its the same no. but maybe similiar?
@Forensic Detailing Channel Perhaps I should've done this earlier. I've just had a look online. Jescar is the US brand of Menzerna. Theyre basically the same product, however Ultralock plus contains Sio2. Powerlock is a polymer sealant. Thanks for your reply Jon.
@@iMANC1966 From Jeff Silver-Jescar Finishing Products at the Autogeek forum: Jescar is the importer of Menzerna products in USA. Jescar offers a completely different and unique product line that is in no way the same as Menzerna. Power Lock (latest version is Power Lock Plus) is a Jescar developed, manufactured and sold product and is in no way the same product as the sealant that Menzerna sells. In addition to the Power Lock Plus sealant Jescar also offers the new Ultra Lock Plus which builds on PL+ performance with ceramic technology for longer life and enhanced water beading. Unfortunate confusion when Menzerna decided to use the same name as the Jescar sealant and we certainly regret the confusion.
@Joe T Thanks for the information. I thought they were the same company. Obviously not and their products are not the same. Confusion now cleared up. 👍🏻
When your using it as a sealant possibly over a nice wax base. Do you think the solvent based ones will impact the previous wax / LSP ?
Almost certainly yes. A wax is like 50% mineral spirit. And buffing off a wax will have an abrasive effect on the sub micron film if sealant.
@@ForensicDetailing so no sealant over wax?
Any tips/suggestions on which screen wash is best for BMW’S
As we know it’s a bit of a Chew getting at the reservoir to De-sludge the pumps & filters
I use bonnymans supremem concentrate because its cheap... but if you want a high end one try angle wax clarity screen wash,
How do you find it in regards to slugging up the pump & filter? Or there’s been no issues for you 👍🏻
no issues mate has anti freeze in it seems to work fine. you only use tiny amounts of it because its mega strong.
With the megs, was it a meguiars shampoo you used? Might be more durable with their own shampoo?
all tested V koch GS
if you took out the marks from gloss testing then the AutoFinesse would still win with Jescar second place and Fusso third….interesting.
the Turtle wax is £25 for 500 mL - so it scores much better on Value
No point putting the bouncers stuff in one of your future tests, they are closing down.
Of those, the only ones I have used was the Collinite and the Jescar.
I wasn't impressed at all with the Collinite. Good not great.
The Jescar was very impressive though. That slick wipe off was really nice.
But as mentioned in the original video, Optimum Opti-Seal is my current sealant choice. Just make sure to not level too quickly after application!
I hope the following comment is ok as it will be a rather critical one.
The very fact that you did this additional video in which you name products YOU would choose and pick which are NOT the winners of the test shows the limitations of large shootout tests based on point systems and a proclaimed winner.
I had this very samd discussion with another TH-camr and it‘s the reason why I personally won‘t do any large comparison tests anymore.
The fact of the matter is this: you as a tester can pretty much pick and choose which product wins this test by the testing categories you choose and by the decision to not only give points, but also weigth these categories. If you for example decide that beading is far more important than gloss slickness, then the AutoFinesse would not have won.
Also, you already mentioned it: some testing categories are somewhat flawed from the getgo. What I personally experienced is that durability tests based on chemical resistance testing STRONGLY depend on which chemical you use. Some products cope far better with certain surfectants than others. You chose tonuse KC Greenstar, but the results could have been VERY dofferent if you chose to use a different APC. That‘s why chemical resistance testing is somewhat limited in its explanatory power from the start. Gloss testing is another category which is extremely hard to judge.
If you publish a video with the results from a large comparison test and you then feel the need to do an additional video in which you name YOUR winners, then in my humble opinion there‘s something wrong with the testing methodology. And as I explained above, every comparison test based on points is somewhat flawed.
yes :) but its so subjective anyway isnt it. Because what I like might not be what others like or vice versa. At least with the original video you get a set piece test on each criteria and you can sort of then make an informed decision and filter out what is not important to you. gloss testing like this is flawed or it requires more testing on other panels with different base physical gloss to get better results.
You’re just everywhere aren’t you Andreas. 🤣
This is just life isn’t it? Like buying a car, you may be able to buy the best one on paper but the one you really want has some flaws that you’ve happy to deal with.
Anyway I’m just surprised Jon didn’t put BH first😉😂
Methodology is methodology. It can aid in forming an opinion, but isn't required.
That's is what this video is about.
Overall, they're just sort of fun to watch.
The *problem* is that these tests should be taken with a grain of salt - and they are instead often taken as gospel truth.
Christ I love these post’s from German Jon and Forensic Dadtailing.
Some well thought out critique and friction for a Scene that has been almost completely co-opted by the formulaic American media and their wealthy Hedge funds.
A lot of times it feels - for me, like the detailing juice has been fully squeezed out of YT until I read threads like this.
First !@👍
nothing better to do in 🍌republic?