FYI there are many idols that still practice to become an idol while doing school work and some graduate with good grades despite the stress, and some even graduated in College with high GPA it's mind boggling on how they can do 2 things at once
Every success that NJ has had is supported by Hybe in terms of resources, money and position. But those girls brushed those things off. NJ and their fandom have caused a lot of conflict and trouble for other groups, so they have to pay the price for what they've done.
@@djvillan No tienes, pruebas, NJ tampoco, así que el profesional es el que tiene la razón, porque el tiene conocimiento, más experiencia y un diploma que lo respalda
Update hanni's work visa is almost expiring (early next year) so she has 3 options #1 allow ador to renew her work visa which confirms her contract with ador is still valid #2 come up with SOLID evidence so she can LEGALLY terminate her contract with ador and get signed to a new agency asap or #3 leave korea and go back to Australia because the type of Visa she has requires her to be tied to a company because one of the requirements is her contract with the company
She won't renew her contract with Ador, she can easily get a new visa by herself. There's many type of visas, why are you people so ignorant when it comes to all this
@HazLight4426 she can get a tourist visa but that means she can't work in korea.. the type of visa for foreign kpop idols is specifically this e6 visa which requires a contract with an agency.. who is the ignorant one here
Si la visa es valida, está con Ador. Si Hanni insiste en que ya no trabaja con Ador, la visa es anulada, cuando se separaron. Y todos los trabajos fueron echos sin una visa valida. Si Hanni no tiene compañía, no puede pedir la visa de trabajo, que nesecita para hacer su trabajo de idols y aún cuando pida otra, es insuficiente para el trabajo que hace , sólo sirve para quedarse al país. Y puede tardar meses .
Si le pide que la renueve, acepta que siguen en una relación de trabajo, si Hanni lo rechaza admite que trabajo sin visa válida y tampoco puede conseguir una nueva, sin agencia ( porque es trabajo de ídol).
If the court upholds their contract as valid, I don't think it's even necessary for them to beg Ador to take them back. Ador needs them more than NJ does. It's never good for any agency to sue the only active artist making them money. Dragging this longer won't be good for Ador or Hybe as this adversely affects their reputation and I can't imagine investors being happy with that. Let's look at this objectively. An agency's job is to manage their artists and Ador doesn't seem to be doing a good job at that. The new Ador also doesn't have any track record of developing idols, and producing or marketing hit music because they were never involved in making NJ what they are now. The idol's job is to perform their songs and provide fan service which these kids seem to be doing quite well. From an investor's point of view, who deserves to be shown the door? (The analogy I can think of that mirrors this is a sports team with talented superstars. Who will you likely fire when your star players have a conflict with the coaching staff or management?) If I were Ador, I'd either just keep them in the dungeon or hire a team that NJ can work with and just be relieved that MHJ is already out of the company. I think I've figured out why NJ has a lot of sympathizers. While we know logically that they don't stand a chance legally if they have iron-clad KPop standard termination clauses, people are still rooting for them not because they think their stance is legal; it's because their demand is somewhat understandable? Because if we were to put ourselves in their shoes and we are in an environment where we're bullied or have creative or professional conflicts with our peers, we have the option to resign from our jobs or drop out of school. The only option these idols have is to be saddled with penalty fees that are outrageous. (And I appreciate you pointing out that it should be profit not revenue that is computed.) What I find outrageous with this is how onerous these contracts are in favor of the agency. (So it's not surprising that the KPop agencies are unified in fighting against this.) The way these contracts are written up is entirely in their favor. They do not consider the idol's industry and personality as having any value whatsoever. Could you imagine companies asking all their outgoing employees to reimburse the fees and the salaries they spent on training them upon their resignation? This doesn't happen because those expenses are part of a company's opex. If agencies were run like a school, the tuition and dorm fees have a predetermined amount that students can pay for. Those who can't afford it can apply for loans. I wonder if idol trainees are even provided the list of expenses that are going to be billed to them before they agree to the "loan"? What makes their case interesting is that it shows that the idols can only quit if the agency commits a crime against them. It's revealing the KPop contracts for being the institutionalized slave contracts that they are. Just imagine signing away 7 years of your life then finding out that you're not cut out for this career but still have to do it because of a contract you signed when your brain wasn't fully developed yet and don't really know what you're getting into. (They may be physically trained to perform but not everyone can handle the mental and social aspects of idol life eg. sasaengs, haters, etc.) I hope that these kids find a loophole that will allow them to still pursue their careers if Ador decides to keep them in the dungeon. I know that some musicians resort to working in other countries even while they have valid contracts. I wonder if this is possible for them as well. Or better yet, I hope Korean legislators review their laws governing KPop contracts. I wonder why KPop agencies are allowed to get away with this. Is it because they're primarily treated as idol factories instead of music producers?
Ador no nesecita rogarle a nadie, ellas tienen contrato y obligaciones que cumplir, si no lo hacen, se tomarán mediadas mediante la justicia. Ador las trató bien y cumplir, ellas son las que tienen que hacer las cosas bien. Ador está preparando hace un año a otro grupo, dejar a NJ, ya no sería un problema. Claro mientras NJ pague, se pueden ir . Pero es difícil que consigan esa cifra si no están con Ador. En especial, porque si las acciones de manipulación con MHJ, se terminan de confirmar, NJ son cómplices y van a tener otro problema legal y las van a poner en la lista negra , por el resto de la industria
No. If u break a legal agreement, u get fined. End of story. HYBE didn't make them famous just for them to steal all the profits, make drama, and go profit another company because they can't have their way.
@@kanohane Technically, Hybe didn't do all that. Ador did. It's the courts to decide if a contract was broken by which party. But as I've said, I get it. That's the KPop way.
@Odin99687 I don't know if something just got lost in translation but as I said no one had to beg for anything. The courts will determine who is right. I also won't make any stand on how NJ was treated as I'm not privy to the their relationship, details of the contract, Korean laws, etc. Sure, Ador has other trainee groups (as they should) but they won't make money until they debut and there are no guarantees that they'll be even be successful. And what you pointed out is what makes this so fucked up for the girls. Whether they pulled their stunt or not, all the money they're making is being used to fund their competition. I'm sure the girls are being manipulated by the adults around them but regardless of their complicity or how industry players are going to treat them, I don't really care because I'm sure they'll be just fine. All I'm doing is looking at their situation from a non-KPop lens. These girls are better off than most idols but all these idols are subjected in similar standard contracts. So I'm pretty sure that all KPop idols (including those that you stan) are all secretly rooting for these girls to succeed. Think about this: Do you think these KPop contracts will be valid if they were subjected to laws in your country? Or is the KPop agencies being given special treatment in the way they are allowed to treat their idol employees vs. companies and employees all over the world?
@ma.dolldoll9003 Lo que hay que entender, es que NJ no quiere hacer nada de la manera correcta o legal. Ellas , por el consejo de MHJ, están manejando todo de manera pública, pero sin evidencia o intención de ir a la justicia, ésto no va a funcionar para un buen cambio. Aquí hay evidencia, de que están trabajando para salir del contrato sin pagar ( y por éso crean daño a la imagen de la compañía) , todo para irse con MHJ. De ésto hay testigos ,fotos y acusaciones ( Ellas jamás dieron respuesta a las acusaciones ). Lo que se va a traducir, en un peor ambiente laboral pata todos los idols, cuando se levanta una denuncia falsa, las verdaderas quedan siendo cuestionadas, las medidas para que no ocurra se intensifican , lo que desalienta a las futuras víctimas.
Nothing can be a slap on BSH's face as long as Hybe has got BTS. That's y MHJ tried all her cards to unleash smear campaigns against BTS and tried to cause rift between ARMY and Hybe.
NewJeans are no longer Hybe/Ador’s Artists. Hybe/Ador should mind their own business instead of repeatedly posting cheap articles. They literally made Hanni’s visa status public, which is one of the nasty stuff they did and it shows how desperate they are for NewJeans 🙄
someone literally reported hanni as an illegal immigrant so they had to make a statement , would you have preferred the police make a statement , the day hanni declared she was no longer under ador by law she was suppose to go hand in her visa paperwork , file for a new one with the help of a company , it should have been done in 15 days but she did not do so therefor someone reported hanni
FYI, South Korea immigration office exists. There are real people working there. Some of these people are in charge of processing foreigners' visa application SO VISA details of a huge star like Hanni of NewJeans are not so secret, okay. Please study hard in school so that one day you can work like us adults.
This is an opinion from the company hater who is irresponsible, demanding people to believe in everything they accuse yet lack of solid evidence. If you really want to terminate your contract,you should have gone to court with solid relevant evidence, just like KG has, not just forming public opinion based on random "humanity excuses". It is pathetic. Bunnies have been bashing and slandering the company for so long with naratives, including the so called "leaked document" with skewed narative just for the effort to publicly humiliate the company.
oh my god, this video is so true. i really want nj and mhj fans watch this video
FYI there are many idols that still practice to become an idol while doing school work and some graduate with good grades despite the stress, and some even graduated in College with high GPA it's mind boggling on how they can do 2 things at once
true af. nj just put faith blatantly to mhj
There's precedent about how the penalty is calculated. Since their is already precedent, it will be difficult to fight it.
Every success that NJ has had is supported by Hybe in terms of resources, money and position. But those girls brushed those things off. NJ and their fandom have caused a lot of conflict and trouble for other groups, so they have to pay the price for what they've done.
true af
Popcorn guys ! ! ! ୧⍤⃝🍿
Don't you get tired of watch the same thing always??
Nop
NOPE
NJ are lucky they not dealing with SM or we would have another TVXQ on our hands
true af
O m a g a a a ! ! ! 😱
He is a real practicing Lawyer.
Si , es cierto y sus videos son muy buenos.
And that makes you believe he is right? 🤡
@@djvillan Que pruebas tienes de lo contrario?
@@djvillan No tienes, pruebas, NJ tampoco, así que el profesional es el que tiene la razón, porque el tiene conocimiento, más experiencia y un diploma que lo respalda
@@djvillanwhat he is saying has more substance than what the girls are claiming 😂
Update hanni's work visa is almost expiring (early next year) so she has 3 options #1 allow ador to renew her work visa which confirms her contract with ador is still valid #2 come up with SOLID evidence so she can LEGALLY terminate her contract with ador and get signed to a new agency asap or #3 leave korea and go back to Australia because the type of Visa she has requires her to be tied to a company because one of the requirements is her contract with the company
Wow, thanks for the update!
She won't renew her contract with Ador, she can easily get a new visa by herself. There's many type of visas, why are you people so ignorant when it comes to all this
@HazLight4426 she can get a tourist visa but that means she can't work in korea.. the type of visa for foreign kpop idols is specifically this e6 visa which requires a contract with an agency.. who is the ignorant one here
Yep, but she can't get a Visa to work in SK, hence she can't perform or having brand deals. @@HazLight4426
😂 🤣 😅
Si la visa es valida, está con Ador. Si Hanni insiste en que ya no trabaja con Ador, la visa es anulada, cuando se separaron. Y todos los trabajos fueron echos sin una visa valida.
Si Hanni no tiene compañía, no puede pedir la visa de trabajo, que nesecita para hacer su trabajo de idols y aún cuando pida otra, es insuficiente para el trabajo que hace , sólo sirve para quedarse al país. Y puede tardar meses .
I just want ador to not renew her visa.
Quite the contrary, it would be the ultimate proof of the contract being still valid
Si le pide que la renueve, acepta que siguen en una relación de trabajo, si Hanni lo rechaza admite que trabajo sin visa válida y tampoco puede conseguir una nueva, sin agencia ( porque es trabajo de ídol).
I'm really feeling sad for newjeans 😭😭😭😭 they are my favourite kpop girl group after blackpink....
If the court upholds their contract as valid, I don't think it's even necessary for them to beg Ador to take them back. Ador needs them more than NJ does. It's never good for any agency to sue the only active artist making them money. Dragging this longer won't be good for Ador or Hybe as this adversely affects their reputation and I can't imagine investors being happy with that.
Let's look at this objectively. An agency's job is to manage their artists and Ador doesn't seem to be doing a good job at that. The new Ador also doesn't have any track record of developing idols, and producing or marketing hit music because they were never involved in making NJ what they are now. The idol's job is to perform their songs and provide fan service which these kids seem to be doing quite well. From an investor's point of view, who deserves to be shown the door? (The analogy I can think of that mirrors this is a sports team with talented superstars. Who will you likely fire when your star players have a conflict with the coaching staff or management?) If I were Ador, I'd either just keep them in the dungeon or hire a team that NJ can work with and just be relieved that MHJ is already out of the company.
I think I've figured out why NJ has a lot of sympathizers. While we know logically that they don't stand a chance legally if they have iron-clad KPop standard termination clauses, people are still rooting for them not because they think their stance is legal; it's because their demand is somewhat understandable? Because if we were to put ourselves in their shoes and we are in an environment where we're bullied or have creative or professional conflicts with our peers, we have the option to resign from our jobs or drop out of school. The only option these idols have is to be saddled with penalty fees that are outrageous. (And I appreciate you pointing out that it should be profit not revenue that is computed.) What I find outrageous with this is how onerous these contracts are in favor of the agency. (So it's not surprising that the KPop agencies are unified in fighting against this.) The way these contracts are written up is entirely in their favor. They do not consider the idol's industry and personality as having any value whatsoever.
Could you imagine companies asking all their outgoing employees to reimburse the fees and the salaries they spent on training them upon their resignation? This doesn't happen because those expenses are part of a company's opex.
If agencies were run like a school, the tuition and dorm fees have a predetermined amount that students can pay for. Those who can't afford it can apply for loans. I wonder if idol trainees are even provided the list of expenses that are going to be billed to them before they agree to the "loan"?
What makes their case interesting is that it shows that the idols can only quit if the agency commits a crime against them. It's revealing the KPop contracts for being the institutionalized slave contracts that they are. Just imagine signing away 7 years of your life then finding out that you're not cut out for this career but still have to do it because of a contract you signed when your brain wasn't fully developed yet and don't really know what you're getting into. (They may be physically trained to perform but not everyone can handle the mental and social aspects of idol life eg. sasaengs, haters, etc.)
I hope that these kids find a loophole that will allow them to still pursue their careers if Ador decides to keep them in the dungeon. I know that some musicians resort to working in other countries even while they have valid contracts. I wonder if this is possible for them as well. Or better yet, I hope Korean legislators review their laws governing KPop contracts. I wonder why KPop agencies are allowed to get away with this. Is it because they're primarily treated as idol factories instead of music producers?
Ador no nesecita rogarle a nadie, ellas tienen contrato y obligaciones que cumplir, si no lo hacen, se tomarán mediadas mediante la justicia.
Ador las trató bien y cumplir, ellas son las que tienen que hacer las cosas bien.
Ador está preparando hace un año a otro grupo, dejar a NJ, ya no sería un problema.
Claro mientras NJ pague, se pueden ir .
Pero es difícil que consigan esa cifra si no están con Ador.
En especial, porque si las acciones de manipulación con MHJ, se terminan de confirmar, NJ son cómplices y van a tener otro problema legal y las van a poner en la lista negra , por el resto de la industria
No. If u break a legal agreement, u get fined. End of story. HYBE didn't make them famous just for them to steal all the profits, make drama, and go profit another company because they can't have their way.
@@kanohane Technically, Hybe didn't do all that. Ador did. It's the courts to decide if a contract was broken by which party. But as I've said, I get it. That's the KPop way.
@Odin99687 I don't know if something just got lost in translation but as I said no one had to beg for anything. The courts will determine who is right. I also won't make any stand on how NJ was treated as I'm not privy to the their relationship, details of the contract, Korean laws, etc.
Sure, Ador has other trainee groups (as they should) but they won't make money until they debut and there are no guarantees that they'll be even be successful. And what you pointed out is what makes this so fucked up for the girls. Whether they pulled their stunt or not, all the money they're making is being used to fund their competition.
I'm sure the girls are being manipulated by the adults around them but regardless of their complicity or how industry players are going to treat them, I don't really care because I'm sure they'll be just fine. All I'm doing is looking at their situation from a non-KPop lens. These girls are better off than most idols but all these idols are subjected in similar standard contracts. So I'm pretty sure that all KPop idols (including those that you stan) are all secretly rooting for these girls to succeed.
Think about this: Do you think these KPop contracts will be valid if they were subjected to laws in your country? Or is the KPop agencies being given special treatment in the way they are allowed to treat their idol employees vs. companies and employees all over the world?
@ma.dolldoll9003 Lo que hay que entender, es que NJ no quiere hacer nada de la manera correcta o legal. Ellas , por el consejo de MHJ, están manejando todo de manera pública, pero sin evidencia o intención de ir a la justicia, ésto no va a funcionar para un buen cambio. Aquí hay evidencia, de que están trabajando para salir del contrato sin pagar ( y por éso crean daño a la imagen de la compañía) , todo para irse con MHJ. De ésto hay testigos ,fotos y acusaciones ( Ellas jamás dieron respuesta a las acusaciones ).
Lo que se va a traducir, en un peor ambiente laboral pata todos los idols, cuando se levanta una denuncia falsa, las verdaderas quedan siendo cuestionadas, las medidas para que no ocurra se intensifican , lo que desalienta a las futuras víctimas.
A TH-cam lawyer knows more than NJ's lawyers who work for one of the best law firms in SK? Yeah, sure, I'll believe that. 🤡
Their lawyers are in it for the money. Lawyers defend guilty people all the time.
lawyers can represent either side. they are just in for the money. even murderers get lawyers 😂
If mhj and lsm get back together, it will be nothing more than a slap in bsh's face
Nothing can be a slap on BSH's face as long as Hybe has got BTS. That's y MHJ tried all her cards to unleash smear campaigns against BTS and tried to cause rift between ARMY and Hybe.
@@SpringPetrichor-et8sq true af
NewJeans are no longer Hybe/Ador’s Artists. Hybe/Ador should mind their own business instead of repeatedly posting cheap articles. They literally made Hanni’s visa status public, which is one of the nasty stuff they did and it shows how desperate they are for NewJeans 🙄
someone literally reported hanni as an illegal immigrant so they had to make a statement , would you have preferred the police make a statement , the day hanni declared she was no longer under ador by law she was suppose to go hand in her visa paperwork , file for a new one with the help of a company , it should have been done in 15 days but she did not do so therefor someone reported hanni
FYI, South Korea immigration office exists. There are real people working there. Some of these people are in charge of processing foreigners' visa application SO VISA details of a huge star like Hanni of NewJeans are not so secret, okay. Please study hard in school so that one day you can work like us adults.
This is an opinion from the company hater who is irresponsible, demanding people to believe in everything they accuse yet lack of solid evidence. If you really want to terminate your contract,you should have gone to court with solid relevant evidence, just like KG has, not just forming public opinion based on random "humanity excuses". It is pathetic. Bunnies have been bashing and slandering the company for so long with naratives, including the so called "leaked document" with skewed narative just for the effort to publicly humiliate the company.
This is y education is important. Whether u study or not, atleast attending school and collage will have you exposure to outside world.
This is y education is important. Whether u study or not, atleast attending school and collage will have you exposure to outside world.