PART TIME DOCTOR [Schedule, Salary, and More!]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- Did you know that you can work PART TIME as a doctor? Most physicians feel obligated to work full time after residency because the crazy amount of school debt we accumulate by the end of it all. (I personally have -$350,000 in student loan debt) But I want to show you that this life is possible and we will be going into the DETAILS! This video discusses the pay, demand, schedule, benefits, and more.
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Children will always appreciate how present their parents were in their childhood. Your boys are so blessed to have had a stay at home father and now a Mom who is semi stay at home. Student loans will can be paid later but a childhood cannot be reclaimed.
This!! ❤️
2 and 1/2 days a week for 18 hrs a week at 120K with benefits is honestly a great deal
I agree! this is before taxes ... we take home around 8K a month and school loan repayment is around 4K once payment resumes. That leaves 4K to live on for a family of 4. I see why people choose to work more.
Stan is in real estate so his income is really hit or miss. Let’s just say we don’t know a tone of people with disposable income who want to buy houses during a pandemic
@@drjennale that is still really good amount for take home pay for 120k salary. I suppose the 2k that does not include 401k, hsa contribution or health insurance?
@@luomanfei I actually take home around 6,800. We max out HSA, DCSA, plus healthy and dental. I only contribute up to the match for 401k which is only about 400 a month.
@@drjennale yes that is what I figured. At the end of the day the take home pay is really nothing for the time you put into and the debt you took on for this career. Of course I know you love your job but most people don’t usually realize how much hard work it is. Thank you for sharing, I hope to see investment videos in the near future.
I understand wanting to be involved in your kids lives right now because they grow up so fast. I am so happy you get to get a good salary while spending lots of time with your kids. Keep up the great work.
I only realized how much with Wyatt when I was home more with London 😭 no regrets
I hope that you work with miki rai. She a RN in your area. I don't know which area she working.
Love Miki! We have talked a couple of times through Instagram. Hopefully we can meet IRL one day
I’ve been very depressed for the past two weeks about loneliness and this medicine pathway. So I got on here today to watch TH-cam videos. I first watched a video you made 3 years ago about you being depressed while in your fourth year of your med school, and I am happy seeing you now with a whole family and an actual doctor. I am really motivated. Keep living and thank you 🙏🏿
The public doesn't realize that even part time physicians work close to 40 hours a week when you count all the non-patient contact hours! Great video!
For real!! My EPIC in-basket is like email notifications on steroids 😅
@@drjennale Using my sons account (haha just noticed); I have a serious question and would love your brutal honestly on:
If you work 18-20 patient-contact hours at the clinic, how many NON-patient contact hours are you working/spending at home to stay afloat? Please be as transparent as possible, thank you!
P.S. LOVE your channel!
@@h.a.z.adventures9926 I generally come 1.5 hours early at the start of the week due to required meetings. Other days I will come 30 minutes early to clean out the inbox. And I generally finish my notes one hour after the last patient leaves. On my days off, I’m 1-2 hours in the inbox because I self cover. So total it’s around 8-10 hrs on top of the 20 patient hours.
I’m a premed student and I’ve been re considering my decision because of the work life balance aspect and this really cleared up my thoughts !! Thank you so much for sharing this you have no idea how much this has impacted me
Thank you so much for sharing this! Great video!
Thanks 😁 I think transparency is beneficial for people in medicine. You will have a point of reference once you start getting job offers.
You are so kind giving us a resume template!! I am not going into the medical field but I still benefit from all of the work/life/momma/human advice you give😊 I hope you’re enjoying your Sunday and as always thanks for what you do!!!
Of course! I want to share everything I know! I learn as much from everyone here ❤️
Thanks for this!! How many hours do you spend charting/looking at labs, etc. with the half-time schedule? Does it bring you back up to around 40 hrs/week?
I really love your videos and I’m not even in The medical field but you are so inspiring to me that I have watched you from the beginning like I was a subscriber since like you have maybe 10 K subscribers before maybe even earlier I love that I’ve been here since the beginning since before you marry stan then before the two kids and all that all of that without being interested in the medical aspect , I love you Keep it up and I hope you have a wonderful life thank you so much
You are the real OG Jamal ❤️thank you for rooting for me all this time. It seriously means the world to me
I really feel like this was meant for me to see. I love this!
Thank you so much for this video - your channel is some of the only content I can find that gives me hope about work/life balance as a physician. I am applying to medical school this year after many years of feeling very torn about whether or not to take the step. I have known for a while that I want to work in the field of medicine, but also grew up with my mom being a family physician and have seen the vast toll that her work schedule has had on her health and my family. I'm sure I will work many years full-time but it is wonderful to hear that there can be ways to work a more normal schedule. I think it is amazing that you are doing this and your kids will grow up with a mom who is present and models taking care of herself.
Oops I read the title as "PARTY TIME DOCTOR" lol, thank you for all of your insight into family medicine! You're one of the reasons I am keeping it on my radar as I head into clinical rotations!
Yassss!! That’s all we can hope for. An open mind to see potential - trying to recruit the best future FM doctors to be my colleagues 😬
Most female primary docs can’t handle the grueling full-time grind of family medicine. It’s actually more that 40hrs per week because you’re constantly connected to the inbox and call coverage. It’s why Japan doesn’t hire female med students. Most big companies also try to avoid hiring young women fresh out of residency because they know that 30y/o F is gonna call out 3 months for maternity in that first 2 years into the job. Not good for company productivity numbers, which is the bottom line that they’re after. No offense to you!
And that system is something we endeavor to change. Women make good, often better, doctors and aside from that, they are vital as mothers in our society. Championing a system where a woman cannot be both is not only sexist but lazy. Do better.
Female doctors have a lot more on their plate. It’s crazy to say that they cannot handle the grind when they do twice as Much or more than a man.
@@BeadCraftBabecan you clarify what you mean when you say women do twice as much as men?
This was awesome information, Jenny! Would you be able to do a video on how to negotiate job offers and what all those negotiation terms that you mentioned in this video mean?
Yes! The business aspect of medicine is never talked about. I’m still pretty new but will love to share what I know.
@@drjennale that one of those things that you know and you will learn in the field. Or no one talked about.
But why does no one talk about? I feel like the only people that’s benefiting is the big corporations who’s trying to pay you less 🤔 we need to stick together!!
@@drjennale about the business aspect on the work place. that trye.
Thank you for your consistent transparency and inspiration Dr. Le! I am a second year medical student studying for Step 1 and I always look forward to watching your videos every week :) Also, you have the CUTESTTTT kids!
Thank you 🥰 and good luck on boards! You got this!
what wrong being a part time worker in any job. I know each person is different and have different situation. I been a part time worker for 14 years in the service area. I love it and I have more time for other things life doctor appointment and other thing.
You should read some of the comments on my loan repayment videos when I say I have -$350,000 in school loans and want to work part time 😅
I really enjoyed this video! I personally am in undergrad and hope to go to medical school later next year! My dream would be to work part time and be a family medicine doctor as well! Thank you for being so inspiring in this field!
Yasssss!! We need more family medicine docs. It’s such an amazing speciality in my opinion
Wow Jenny, this video has been amazing, super informative. I am new to the health system in the US, and in just 11 min you gave me more info than anybody has.
I want to become a Geneticist (fellow), and as a medical residency, I am choosing between IM, Pediatrics, and Family Medicine. I think I am falling in love with Family medicine, as I like to see all kinds of patients, I can't choose between kids and adults hehe. And those ER shifts for extra $$ are a plus that I didn't know.
Thank you so much for this video, it really helped me to have a better understanding of physician life/work in the US.
I hope you and your family the best!
Glad you found the video helpful! That’s why I love family medicine too! The breath and depth of medicine we practice keeps it very exciting
Thank you so much for this! I’m still only pre-med but I already feel some guilt about sacrificing time with my future children so it’s really cool to see you doing both :)
Yasss! The people who tell you you can’t likely haven’t tired themselves.
This sounds amazing and has been my dream, but honestly I wasn't aware of how flexible schedules could be I would love to only work 3 12 hr shifts M,T, and W. That would be amazing too! I used to love 16 hr shifts at my old summer job because my week felt like a vacation! How feasibly would it be to get 3 12 hr shifts do you think?
Maybe you could try buying back your student debt from your school. I'm not sure if someone can buy back their own debt, but I know that debt sells for pennies for the dollar.
Hi Jenny! Thanks for your sharing! It's really impressive(*^▽^*). Btw, I want to ask about the vocation. Do you still have a vocation despite your part-time schedule of work? If you have, how long would the company give to you? Thx for your precious time in advance!!!!!
We do get vacation/PTO and CME time! I forget how much. We’re planning to take 2 weeks off closer to the end of the year and still have plenty to PTO left. The great thing about outpatient family medicine is that you already get holidays off 😁
@@drjennale That's sooo awesome !!!!!!! o(￣▽￣)
Hello. Thank you for this video. Can Clinical Geneticists adjust their work hours?
Does anyone know if you're able to do this kind of personal scheduling in the middle east and pakistan?
Working as a part-time Physician is something I am very interested in because I really want a good work life balance. Thanks so much for sharing your story and the details as well. Much appreciated.
Of course! All too often medicine glamorizes the grind, being over worked, and sacrifice - I just want to show that there’s another way. Thanks for watching Angelina!
Thank you Dr.Jenny. You make me confident that I can also be a doctor & a mother at the same time. Thank you so much!
dang yeah thats awesome. i would be down to work half time pediatrics
Thank you for being so open about your work life balance and salary. I am in Med school and plan to work part time as my family grows. And thank you for the resume template!
Of course! Medicine is such an amazing journey - hope I can share more the more I learn
Thank you so much for sharing! This is such a great timing for me personally. I’m starting to look into the lifestyle I’d like and my futur specialty and this video was so informative! I’m definitely saving your template too, it’s so generous of you to share 🥺❤️
I hope to inspire more people to come into the family medicine speciality! 😁
This is so informative thank you so much! As a premed applying to med schools this upcoming cycle I’ve been interested to learn more about job possibilities after medical training. The only thing that really daunts me is the rough hours of residency and the possibility of starting a family during that time. How were you able to cope with that?
There’s never really a good time to start a family. I personally didn’t want to wait until after residency to start trying because I know so many who have had infertility issues. That being said - you make it work. Advocate for yourself and what you need. Having a supportive partner is also a must.
is that similar for pediatrics do you think?
Now I started to understand what Dave Ramsey means by 'huge student loans'.After watching your video I finally know that you have to spend a lot of time on your work place and while the rest of your time is spend with family.In your video about how much you spend in a week now I can imagine how difficult it is for you to pay student loans after you pay tax and monthly expenditure
Hi dr. Lee. I love your videos so much❤️. I want to join a Family Medicine Residency Program! Can you please make a video on the years of program and the rotations and schedule? Please 🙏🙏🙏
Also how can we contact you?
Thank you so much Jenny for this video! I always find your videos so transparent and inspiring! I’m currently an undergrad and hoping to attend med school in a couple years (after 2 gap years) and it’s really great to see your life as a doctor and a mom to see that women can do it all! Thank you for this video and for your honesty about salary and time! Also thank you for the templates, you are so sweet and generous!
There is so much more to medicine than just studying. It’s also about life experience because this is what connects you to your patients. Glad you are taking those gap years! Worth it.
Loved this video! I remember in your last video you said that if you had to do it all again, you think you would’ve possibly become a PA which I thought was due to the better work life balance, however it seems as though you have great work life balance currently so I was wondering if you would still choose PA if you had to do it all a again and why. Thank you so much!
I would only choose PA if I went back at had little children. Medical training is very labor intensive. I spend 60-80 hours a week working in residency and I see now how much I missed. If I had no kids or if things happened the same when I started a family in 4th year med school - 110% I would do it all over again! I love being a family medicine physician and love OMT. Not something I can do as a PA.
@@drjennale that’s so great to hear, thanks for all your help :)
You are doing the right thing, you will never get back the time you would have lost with your children by working full time. I think mentally it is better for you and the family as well.
Thank you for being so open about working part time since I feel like we are afraid of our debt burden at the end of training. I agree that family time now is worth more than the extra money. We don't get this time back with our children.
Very beautiful, innocent 😇. Nd love the way you are concerned about your family
I argued many times with my girl cos of this. She's a doctor and I'm entrepreneur. Being a fulltime doctor means that u don't have time at all with ur family. And i don't like that, times and moments with your family is everything. Period
That is true. My family will always share a little part of me with medicine.
You're amazing and I just love your channel. I am starting med school in July and I'm so excited. I have always been so facinated by family medicine and it's so refreshing to hear someone who encourages others to consider the specialty. I'm from a really rural community (200 people) so I never had a family doctor growing up. When I moved away for undergrad I had some health issues develop and I got a primary care doctor. It is just so amazing to feel like you have a professional who can help you navigate the many specialist that are involved in your care. It's just such an amazing feeling to know your primary care doc knows your history and is there for you and knows you personally... It's hard to explain.. but it's the most amazing thing! When you see specialist after specialist and you feel like they just don't know you and they don't know the whole picture of your health it can be really scary. Family medicine docs are so amazing ♥️♥️ you are amazing ! Thanks so much for continuing to put out awesome content.
First yay!!! Congratulations on med school! It’s going to be amazing. I so agree with the statement that the relationship with your primary is like no other. I feel like I’m a part of people’s families a lot of the time.
@@drjennale Thank you . I'm so excited for this next chapter in my life! You're videos have helped me so much and I'm such a huge fan! My primary care doc is 100% part of my family 🤣 this is why I just think the speciality is so amazing and I am really interested in it! Thanks again!
That is still a very good salary.
Hey jenny are you allowed to work part time when your doing residency(General surgeon) or u can only work part time after done w residency???? Will mean a lot if u clarify!!!!
You can only work part time once you are done with residency. You can take extended leave but you make up that time when you come back. So basically just extending residency.
Working 2.5 days per week for 18 hrs and getting 120K AND benefits is wonderful! 😍😍😍I'm a pharmacist in New York. I work 36 hours a week and I barely made 100k last year....😭😭😭 Your job and salary seriously sounds amazingggggggggg!!!!
Would love to have more family medicine physicians!! 😁 keep in mind that this is before taxes. I take home around 8k ... school loans will be 4K monthly once payments resume 😭 ... so we’ll see if we’re struggling at that point
@@drjennale wait, only 8K? Do you mean 80K?
@@jimmynutron1362 nope. Bring home 8k/month after taxes
@@drjennale ohhh I thought you meant annually 😂
Oh god, I’d just be grinding away for a loss at 8k a year 😭😭😭
hopefully, match to FM next weeekkkk!!!!!!!!! :) thank you for your videos, they are very helpful and inspiring
Ahhhhh!!! So excited for you!! 😬 good luck
Thanks for your video. I have a question: can we work full-time for concomitantly 2 places? I mean working 36 x 2 = 72 hours/week. Or full-time in 1 place and part-time in another?
Most places make you sign a non compete so if you do that, you have to out of a certain mile radius
Thank you. Hope you enjoy and succeed in your career.
So brave of you: time, relationships and health can not be bought or brought back. Very inspiring! 😊 Lots of luck!
Thanks Alexandra 🥰
Hello Dr. Le. Thank you so much for sharing so many goood info! I am waiting to match into FM residency this year and I would like to work part time so i can dedicate time for raising a family. I am literally delaying having kids now (although married) so i can get thru residency and its demands. But, i am hopeful after watching ur video and it is possible to have a life and be a physician :)
Congrats!! Love hearing about others joining the FM force! 💪🏽👩🏻⚕️ 3/4 of the residents in my class had babies during our 3 year program! Don’t let anyone you can’t if starting a family is what you want to do.
I admire so much especially because you are developing as a physician and a mom. I live in El Salvador and I feel do motivate evert time I see your videos. I wish one day applied to your country and be happy as you are in this incredible profession.
You can do it! Good luck
Is it possible for a doc to work full time for a year and use their entire income to pay off school loan debt while living off of their spouses salary?
Yes! I don’t see why not. White coat investors recommends “living like a Resident” until loans are paid off.
I'm four years out of college and am applying this cycle. It's been an anxiety provoking waiting game-I really don't think the application process is fair nor efficient. Anyway, complaints aside, you've inspired me to pursue family medicine (my original field and experience was in neurology), primarily because of your ability to balance your family and also your transparency about finances (which is important to me as someone who is not supported by parents like most pre-meds).
I've watched you for years and sincerely wish the best for you and your family
I agree that the whole application process leans in advantage towards the those who are privileged and well connected. I too did not have any parental support and took out school loans for everything. In the end it was worth it. Hang in there!! And best of luck ❤️
This was very helpful, thank you❤️
Glad you liked it
In Las Vegas it is really hard to find part time for a hospitalist.
What is considered full time out there? Here is about one week on and one week off. I have many friends just do locums just several times a month.
There’s always work for doctors! Not only there’s a shortage, but also mid level providers need a physician to collaborate with or they simply can’t practice. We will always need that ultimate opinion and specialized support. No doctor should be worried about anyone taking their job; there’s a reason why you go through so much schooling.
Thank you for another great video. You’re so relatable & easy to watch. 👍🏼
You’re right about work life balance. I’m a DVM contracted for a very “protocol quota” driven corporate vet hospital, (was a psych RN for years before). Sometimes I feel like a walking hypocrite bc I know how important WLB is for mental health. I love what I do but it’s getting harder to be excited about going in. There’s been a couple times when I wanted to walk out. We all have our days, but it shouldn’t feel like this!
I agree! If I feel forced to work more, I think I would end up resenting it and in turn that would effect my patient relationships. So what you feel is right for yourself ❤️
Seeing your path is inspirational for an older student like myself. My big concern was graduation if accepted would be at age 50 and it may be too much debt to pursue primary care.
My co resident will graduate in her 50s! It is possible!!
Thank you for sharing your experience. You are an inspiring mom and doctor.
ENT resident from Morroco
Hii Sara!! 🙋🏻♀️❤️
Do you mind if I ask which organization are you working for ?
I rather not disclose this information for safety reasons but I can tell you that this was the offer from majority of institutions in west Washington.
I agree! The kids grow up so fast and you can't get that time back.
I was looking at videos of Wyatt at the beginning of the pandemic and just within this past year - he’s huge and like a little person now 😭
Thank you! This is so encouraging! I am applying for FM now and also want to have a family one day
Yayy!! Love hearing everyone applying for FM ❤️
I am a senior in high school! My dream is to become a orthopedic surgeon . I start college in august, I am getting my bachelors in biology. Could you please tell me what majors you would recommend me doing to become a orthopedic surgeon.
You can actually be any major and apply to medical school. My recommendation is finding an orthopedic surgeon to be your mentor, shadow, and hopefully do research with. Good luck!
@@drjennale thank you so much!!
Jenny I need your advice !
Should I become a physician? Or a CRNA? I am stuck on med school but I don't know why. I just cant let it go. But I dont want to lose my youth and time with family. CRNA makes the most sense and I wont be in so much debt. Is following "your heart" really worth it? Or should I do what makes the most sense?
You should watch the video I just posted talking about Doctor vs PA! Answers a lot of the questions you have.
DOCTOR vs PA (Would I Do It All Over Again) th-cam.com/video/HWLCPw9nAIY/w-d-xo.html
@@drjennale thanks so much!
Please tell me is it possible for an obgyn too?
Working part time with less salary?
Yes. Also possible as an OBGYN. Call schedule may be different depending on how many people she call in that particular clinic
@@drjennale thank you for ur response💛
Can surgeon become part-time
Depending on what type of surgeon you want to become and how big your team is to cover the call schedule. But I’ve been OBGYN, Ortho, and ENT do part time. I’ve known GI and General surgery to want to do part time but not enough coverage
Goalsssss
Loved this. ❤️
Thanks Jenny!
Do you have access to pre tax accounts like retirement accounts when you work part-time?
Yes! My company will match 50% of contributions up to 3% of annual salary
@@drjennale so cool! Thank you!
I wanted to ask this...when did you have your kids? I mean if you are in residency, what would be considered the right time ?
There really is no right time. You start a family when you want to. I was pregnant with Wyatt 4th year of medical school, delivered 2 weeks before graduation, and started residency 6 weeks later. Had London second year of residency.
@@drjennale thank you so much for the reply. It was a really daunting thing for me. Thank you for the help. Thank you for this video as well. I was also wondering the same thing and your video popped up. I feel so much better. Thank you and God bless you
Glad I could help ❤️
is 36hours of work also for residents?
No 🤣🤣🤣 ... it’s more like 60-80 hrs/wk for 3+ years depending on your speciality
how do you and your husband go about splitting finances?
We don’t. We consider all debt as joint debt and all income as joint income. I do put off 10% into a personal account so I can buy gifts, and so there’s no annual fee to keep the account open 😅
@@drjennale thank you for the reply!
After the 2 year guaranteed salary, based on your patient load now, do you think your income will change much? Great video! I’m still amazed you get 30 min f/up slots. So many of my FM friends have 15min maybe 20min per patient!
Yes! Everyone in my clinic gets 30 minute appointments! I don’t think I can go any faster than that.
After the two years, you get paid based on time and/or complexity of patients ... and a bunch of other things I’m still not sure about. I do a lot of procedures and OMT so I assume I might make a little more - but that is just my guess ... I really have no idea yet 😭
Ah I wish that was me. New grad in primary care. I’m starting every 30 minute slots (14 patients per day) but it won’t be long until they increase me. The norm is 15 minute slots.
That sounds so stressful 😭 is everyone in your clinic on 15 minute templets too? Are they usually on time?
@@drjennale us newer ones are not. The ones who have been there longer, yes. Some are behind but some are used to it. Also some patients no show. Some of theirs are also telehealth whereas as of now mine are mostly in office.
And I woke my first weekend this Saturday and am on call for the first time ever as well. Lots of learning.
Thanks for the vid! 💕
Thanks for watching 🥰
I love this so much. Glad I found this video! I'm trying to go into medicine but I dedicated 10 years to the military and sacrificed starting a family. This year I'm planning to start my family as I prepare to separate from military next year and hopefully enter med school the following year
That is very exciting! I know plenty of people who started families during medical training (myself included). Don’t let anyone tell you it’s not possible 💪🏽👩🏻⚕️