Quick Tips 7 - Source Audio C4 Synth MIDI Setup
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Details here: disasterareadesigns.com/shop/p/dmc-micro-pro
Here's how to connect and control your new Source Audio C4 Synth with a DMC.micro!
Update your firmware:
disasterareadesigns.com/files - we recommend updating older DMC.micro units to v2.0+
www.sourceaudio.net/neuro-edi...
Get a DMC.micro:
www.disasterareaamps.com/shop...
Get the cables (or bundle with your DMC.micro!)
www.disasterareaamps.com/shop...
Connect your C4 to the USB cable, then connect the cable to the adapter.
Connect the adapter to your DMC.micro.
Enter the DMC.micro SETUP by holding the left button when the display scrolls at boot.
Edit the setup: DEV = DevA, DevA = C4, USB = HOST.
Save and exit.
Hold and release the right button on the DMC.micro until the display shows "A" plus a number.
Use the left and right buttons to change presets on the C4, hold the left button to bypass and engage it.
The next video will cover connecting an expression pedal, stay tuned. - เพลง
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The DMC.micro firmware update is live as of the posting of this video.
DMC-3XL Gen3, DMC-4 Gen3, DPC-5 Gen3, DMC-6 Gen3, and DMC-8 Gen3 firmware will be available by the end of the week.
The steps to connect these other devices are the same: Set DevA = C4, USB = HOST. Save and exit.
Hi
whit this DMC MICRO the 128 preset is save for play in live with band ? where you have to connect to internet ??
Thanks
It’s the perfect size for my board I would buy it but for some reason my neuro app says my pedal is not compatible. So I haven’t been able to put a preset on there. If you can help me figure it out I would buy one for sure
@@creepymcpeepers I'd recommend talking to Source Audio about that - they're really good about responding to support requests.
@@matthewfarrow8151 I asked and they will be getting back to me
Is there a way to scroll through the presets backwards in case you miss your number?
BASS player here, WHAT A PRODUCT !!!! Loads of info. Nice well ordered video.
Still undecided about the C4, tough........
Cool matching finish on that micro
Have this setup in the mail currently, will be combing over this vid once I get everything lined up
Love it. I’m using a C4 on a few songs in my cover band where I’m (guitar) the only melodic instrument. I’m ordering the DMC micro ASAP. Looks awesome, great video.
Thanks!
This video made me decide to buy it. That midi micro pedal is awesome
I'll be needing to buy cabling after the new gHost is available! I put my pre-order in for that!
Great info. Thanks
Pretty cool tutorial. Quite informative. I didn’t know the c4 synth came in a black casing. That’s pretty cool to see. The silver casing looks nice too. Very sleek and edgy looking. Anywho, I’ve been thinking about adding the source audio c4 synth to my pedalboard. Especially since I have own the aftershock bass distortion and recently purchased a Gemini chorus.
Hello fellow tone seeker. Yeah me too, black casing looks cool. I got the boss sy200. It's cool but idk. Can't tweak it very much.
Black casing? Do you mean the dark purple one on the left?
@@TheUnknownBass really…it was purple? Maybe it’s because of the lighting on this clip what makes it look like it has a black metal casing. And yes it’s that pedal.
@@alexskibicki2262 Yeah, maybe different screens display it differently. Check out Disaster Area's response to
Alex Phlynn below. Looks like they took one of the first 50 beta C4 synths which were purple with DIY lettering, and added the new art etc to the pedal. There's one of the original 50 for sale on Reverb if you're interested in seeing it.
I'd love one of these for my Aftershock.
Me, too! But the Aftershock and the other original One Series pedals require the Hub. They won't work with the direct USB connection in the same way.
Disaster Area Designs I was stunned when I realized the one series don’t respond to patch change messages. Really strange given that you can send deep midi commands to change deep parameters.
@@markgamache6377 Yes, totally agree. The other One Series pedals don't have a lot of program storage space, so they leverage the Hub as a place to store their preset data. They DO have 6 presets on board, and it would seem pretty simple to access at least those 6 directly over USB.
hey ! I own the C4 and the DMC 3xl and they are happily working together so I can acces all the presets, but I can't make the expression pedal to work : it's pluggin in the expression port of my dmc 3xl, and configured properly in the setup to send expression data to the device that is the C4 (device A in my case) , when I move the expression pedal, the C4 led lights up, meaning it's receiving the data, but any custom assignement I've made in the neuro app doesn't seem to respond, I'm using the remote expression (hub/midi) modulation source.
Any tips ?
Hi
whit this DMC MICRO the 128 preset is save for play in live with band ? where you have to connect to internet ??
Thanks
Is there any way to name presets on the micro like you can on the 3XL?
Thanks a lot!
Added note: I tried to set mine up, had it set up exactly the way that you show it here (setting the DMC up)........However the dongle side was on the pedal, so emphasis on the direction of the cable is key!
THANK YOU! Mine wasn't working after numerous tries. Swapped the direction around and it worked first go.
What is the code for the Intelligent Filter i.e. the C4 is C4 what do I need for the Spectrum?
Ok So I finally figured out what all the Button pushing was and have the Util and looper off and the MIDI is set to host and there is no Little green light going on and no patch change. So what did I do wrong any Ideas?
Very cool! Is there a way to limit the list it scrolls through, so one could just scroll up and down through say 5-10 presets instead of all 128? (like Up could loop back from 10 to 1 instead of having to step back down 9x)
You can use the "P" / preset mode, and just set that to the number of sounds you want before rolling over. Set PRST to 9 for 10 presets, 4 for 5 presets (since we start at zero.)
Hi, with this kind of setup, could I connect midi from my g2 by gigrig to control the dmc? So I can make presets on my g2 and change the sounds fast, but still manually skip through the dmc if I want other sounds on the fly?
Cheers from Norway
Tom
Hi Tom - yes, that would work fine. You'd need our DMC MIDI Y-cable to access the MIDI input on the DMC.micro, but otherwise it should all work fine.
With this work with the
Source Audio Spectrum Intelligent Filter Pedal
Awesomeness!! Thanks so much, looking forward to using it, how did you get that blackout C4? It’s killer. Will the midi baby do this too?? Cheers!
Looks blackout but it's really purple vein. We powdercoated it here at our shop and I put the new art on it. If you have one of the first 50 purple units we can re-do yours, too :)
can you use an guitar app to track with this pedal or does it only track with real guitars?
Thanks for the video. As a result of this I bought a C4 and DMC.micro. Very basic question and I can't find the answer in the manual or the web - what is the polarity of the "standard 9V' power supply? I have a mixture of center + and - pedals and I don't want to risk damaging the DMC.micro!
It's center-negative, like Boss.
Can you guus please do a video with the GFI Specular Tempus?
Can you tell me if the dmc micro works with zoom ms50g?
Is it possible to control the C4 from another MIDI controller via the DMC.micro? I believe you can do that with the micro.ghost USB MIDI host, but I like the idea of being able to access presets on the fly with the DMC.micro. But I would like to integrate the C4 into a larger pedalboard control system (RJM PBC 6/X or PBC10). Or the larger DMC switchers (they don't suit my needs as no stereo loops).
Sure, you'll just need the Disaster MIDI Y cable to access the MIDI input on the DMC.micro. Works great, I'm actually doing the same setup on my personal board.
Hi, sorry for the noob question, but do i need to have my phone connected all the time? Or can i save and use presets without my phone? Thanks!
You do not need it connected at all times
So I updated the firmware and followed your instructions but I'm not getting a flashing green light when i cycle through the P presets or A presets...?
No worries, I found out what was wrong. Needed to turn on the USB-Midi Skip Power Check
Yoooo, can i control the C4 presets over usb as well as control a bass whammy preset selection over the 5pin midi? If so how would this be setup - dev B? Thanks a lot!
Yes, indeed. DevB = WHM1 or WHM2 depending on whether you prefer Chords or Classic mode, then you can scroll through all of the presets on the Bass Whammy remotely.
Do i need the ghost adapter? Or can i use a mini usb 2.0 cable to female mini b?
The cable might work, but in most cases you will need the adapter.
Intriguing, can I control my Aftershock distortion with this unit? They're both "one series" pedals with the same programming and control structure. The Neuro hub solution is insanely expensive.
No, while the Aftershock and the earlier One Series pedals have the same exterior they use a different DSP and are much less powerful than the C4 / True Spring / Ultra Wave etc. You'll need to use the Hub with Aftershock, LA Lady, Kingmaker, Vertigo, Gemini, and so on.
Ah cool solution:) would it be possible to control other devices at the same time eg a Nemesis and Ventris further down the chain?
Sure, absolutely. You'd set one to receive on channel 2 and the other to 3, and configure DevB / DevC for Nemesis. Easy.
Disaster Area Designs how do you connect multiple devices together? And how would you connect a micro clock into the mix?
Good job !
Is the same manipulation possible with the "Spectrum Intelligent Filter"
As it is done here with the C4? Thanks.
Yes - the C4 and Spectrum are very similar in terms of MIDI support.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns When using the Spectrum Intelligent Filter what am I looking for in the setup? i.e. Edit the setup: DEV = DevA, DevA = C4, USB = HOST. what does DevA=?
@@davidrichardkozikowski6847 DevA = C4 is what I'd recommend. The C4 and Spectrum use the same MIDI commands.
This is a very cool and simple solution, but how would you control more than one device via USB (In my case, a Zoom MS-60B as well)? Would you need some sort of a Y ghost adapter cable?
Not possible with our controllers. Each USB device needs to connect to a host, and our devices only support a single connection. You could use a micro.ghost in addition to a DMC.micro, for example.
I have a DMC.micro that I'm trying to connect to the C4. When I try to "add a new device to the end of the device list" inside DevA, it doesn't read C4. I am trying to use a USB mini-B cable without the adapter in between. What do I need to change about my connection strategy? is there a different setting I need to go into?
Seeing some people asking about the bypass function using this setup. Before I buy I’d like to know - can I engage/disengage the c4 as normal? Can I cycle through presets while it’s bypassed, then engage the c4 when I’m on the right preset? Thanks guys 🙂
Yes, absolutely. The controller sends different messages whether you're bypassed or engaged, so you can navigate the patches with the pedal on or off.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns Thanks, just purchased the bundle from your site
Disaster Area Designs, specifically, how is this done?
Wait, are you only able to access all saved presets in Nuero Editor, via the DMC, ONLY while phone is plugged into C4? Or does the DMC “host/hold” all desired saved presets?
You can save / burn any or all of those presets to the actual pedal. Once you do that they are retained in the pedal memory even after you disconnect the phone or computer, and you can recall them using the controller. The controller just asks the pedal to recall a certain preset, all of the preset data is inside the pedal.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns I have the C4 and now the DMC Micro too, but even following all the steps from a tutorial, it doesn't work! From the beginning, my C4 does not work in ATL mode, that means I can only access the 3 presets (circle, square and triangle) from my C4.... can sameone help me?! Should I send back my C4 to the store? Thank you guys!
Can the 1/4” jack on the back be used to connect an expression pedal to be used with the c4?
Yes indeed.
Disaster Area Designs Please do a walk through explaining how to do this using a C4 with a DMC Micro and a Boss Expression pedal ( EV-30) .
Thanks
Can I just bypass the C4 by using its foot switch? Bypassing it using the DMC Micro takes too long. Just so that I can return to my dry tone, set up the next preset whilst bypassed and then switch on the C4 ready for next preset I want to use. Can that be done? I am new to midi controllers, so apologies if this seems like a basic question
I’m also waiting on purchasing this switcher until this is confirmed
did you find out if you could?
Sabi yup there was a reply here from disaster at one point but now I don’t see it. Works great. Only issue is that changing through presets automatically engages the c4. So I just silently toggle through the presets before that song starts. I’d be willingly to bet it’s my fault that is happening given the many settings inside this disaster area unit. Btw the switches are the smoothest switches on my board. Like butter
@@JarodGrieco If you start with the DMC bypassed the C4 will scroll bypassed. Then you can engage the C4 with its own footswitch if that's how you like to roll.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns this worked great. Only question I have is, is there a way to set it so that once the C4 is engaged, I can scroll through presets keeping it engaged. Now when I scroll through presets, it turns off the C4.
Did you replace the footswitch on your C4? Mine isn’t like that.
Yes. I hate the stock footswitches on the One Series.
Disaster Area Designs Still better than most hard click switches but yeah. I hate the stock footswitches on a lot of pedals. I should probably learn how to change those.
@@DoNoise It's easy on the Source Audio pedals, they're just two wires.
Hey I am very confused. I understand your video and great work but my questions: Does this mean my hub is currently useless when it comes to using it with the C4?
1. I had been using it to integrate my moog expression pedal, but what I think I understand is I cannot use my hub to control the C4 and therefor cant use my expression (unless I buy the SA expression). Is this correct?
2. If I have this unit set up as is, can I also run a midi clock to the C4 through this pedal from say a DAW while still using it to change through my presets?
3. Why was this pedal released at all without working with the neuro hub if my above questions are no-gos?!
Thank you for making this video and I will likely be purchasing this unit because I really want to get the most out of the presets.
Source has updated the Hub firmware to work with the C4. If you already have a Hub then go and update it and see what happens.
Awesome stuff Matt! Do you know if Source Audio is adding support for this midi function for all their One Series pedals of the same form factor? I have a True Spring and would kill for this functionality.... thx!
Not sure, you'd have to ask Roger and Jesse about that!
ooh yeah that could be killer..but that would take out the need for the hub which is the goto for the one series. I am about to add a few SA pedals to my dpc5 setup which should be killer!!
Did you find out if they added support to the other One Series pedals? I have an LA Lady that I would love to be able to run through presets.
Jeffrey Blake i dunno.. i ended up selling the TrueSpring and buying a Collider, so problem solved for me!
Any update on this? I have the True Spring (and no other SA pedals) and this would be an elegant solution for my uses.
IS that purple c4 synth the same pedals as the grey? Or why there exist 2 different colors/designs?
The first 50 were spray-painted purple and sold direct on Reverb. This is one of those, which I repainted. It's the same as the gray.
Will this control an entire source audio “Scene” via the Neuro Hub or does it only work with one pedal at a time? Thanks!
It does work with the Hub, but it doesn't control the individual pedals. It'll only send the scene change commands to the whole chain at once.
How do you assign preset I did on the computer app to one of the 6 possible slots on the hardware unit?
The C4 / Spectrum / Ultrawave etc have 128 preset slots, actually. So you just create those presets using the Neuro App or Neuro Desktop, and they live in the locations where you put them. The six on the pedal are 1-6, and then you can use the DMC.micro or any other compatible MIDI controller to load presets 1-6. They recall in the same order you stored them.
What can be used to control a Source Audio C4 and Collider at the same time - scroll through combined and individual presets?
This controller (DMC.micro) can do it. The Collider has full-sized MIDI ports so you can just use a standard MIDI cable.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns what would the Collider be called in the DMC setup? NEMS? HUB? Is there one designated for the collider?
Plus, how can a Micro Clock be used to set the BPM for the Collider & the arpeggiator in the C4? How would it be connected and what accessories are needed?
Could i also use Source Audios Footswitch in-conjuntion with a DMC micro Pro? I want to have it as a Fav Switch
Sure, just plug the SA footswitch into the control port on the C4. We use the USB port, so that leaves the control port free for any function the pedal can do.
Can you use a USB Mini B to Mini B cable from the DMC.micro to C4?
Not unless the cable is specifically "OTG" ready. Google "OTG" - "On The Go" -- it's a spedification that lets two devides hook up, explicitly making one act as a "host" -- without it, both devices act like "peripherals" and the necessary communications can't occur. I'm not sure what, specifically, how the devices in this video are playing the host/peripheral roles, but one has to be the host, and that's where the host adapter comes in, even if it just looks like a USB A to mini B converter.
Trying to use the DMC 3xl Gen3 with the C4 and don't see it in the Dev A device list. Has it been added yet? Firmware 1.50b. Thanks!
v1.51c is on the website for you now :)
Disaster Area Designs Right on, thanks Matthew!
How is your phone plugged in when sampling different patches?
Oh. The cable at 7:12. Was so quick that I missed it. NEEEEEEEEEEEEEVERMIND
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Is there a way to change the presets on two C4’s at the same time with DMC Micro?
No, sorry. You could use a DMC.micro for one and then add a micro.ghost to convert the 5-pin output to USB for the second C4.
Disaster Area Designs I’ve got the cables but have not been able to get it to work yet. I’ll keep trying. I’ve got two devices on and tried C4 as well as general midi for the one using the 5 pin midi port. Any suggestions or tips appreciated. Thanks a ton!
@@shotgunrebels email me support at disasterareadesigns dot com
Can I use the DPC-8ez Gen 3 to change presets and send tap tempo MIDI clock messages to the c4? Can I connect them using a standard USB mini-B cable?
No, you'll need one of our controllers that supports USB host to change presets. If you want to also send MIDI clock you'll need one that can generate clock, so DMC-3XL Gen3, DMC-4 Gen3, DPC-5 Gen3, DMC-8 Gen3, MIDI Baby, MIDI Baby 3.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns Thanks for the reply. What if I were to run the MIDI out of the DPC 8 Gen3 (generating PC messages) into a MIDI Baby (acting as USB host and generating MIDI clock)?
Is that other C4 29 / 50 pedal Hey Demo one that they gave you for R&D purposes?????
Nope, I bought it at full price and then re-painted it here at the shop. If you've got a purple C4 we'd be happy to do the same for you.
So just to clarify, after I save presets I like to 7 and beyond, I always have to have the phone connected to the DMC.micro and C4 in order for it to use them?
Nope, the C4 saves its presets onboard, and the DMC.micro accesses them. Once they're saved you don't need your phone unless you want to change them up.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns Awesome. Thanks
hello, thanks for the tips, but I can't seem to make it work for me :
i have a dmc 3xl, updated to the latest firmware, the setup are, device A : C4, looper : off, usb : host, I've checked the "skip usb power check" in the c4 software, I'm using a ghost adapter cable from disaster area, and whenever I plug the c4 in the dmc3xl, the dmc stop responding, the footswich doesn't work anymore, and the whole dmc is frozen until I unplug the c4... i'm quite lost here and would like some help if possible.. thanks a lot, you're a great company for helping people understand your products ! cheers
I might add that I’ve the clock working on the dmc 3xl, should I deactivate the clock, might this be the problem ?
@@benbooth32 That's almost certainly the issue. Turn off the clock and it should work. Then you can go into each and every C4 program burned to your pedal and enable the clock. Only then can you turn the DMC clock back on. If the C4 sees clock messages but doesn't have them enabled in the preset, then it won't acknowledge them and the DMC hangs waiting for a response.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns thanks for the quick answer, I’ll try that and hope it’ll work ! Thanks a lot ;)
hi guys, will this little dude work with the wampler terraform? just want it to control presets
Sure thing, works great! I'd recommend the newer DMC.micro PRO as the display is better but either will work great. Don't forget about our editor software, now available.
I have the C4 and now the DMC Micro too, but even following all the steps from this tutorial, it doesn't work! From the beginning, my C4 does not work in ATL mode, that means I can only access the 3 presets (circle, square and triangle) from my C4.... can sameone help me?! Should I send back my C4 to the store? Thank you guys!
I would definitely talk to Source Audio support, email them and they will help you out.
Hello.
My C4 doesn't react to the dmc micro anymore.
I've tried with different USB cables. So I don't think it's the problem.
Firmware update is done!
Thanks for help
I've found the problem!
There is a hardware setup opion called "USB MIDI skip power check. You have to turn on!
@@andriarpagaus7781 THANK YO SO MUCH!!!!! YOU HELPED SO MUCH!!!)))
@@andriarpagaus7781 sorry but..where's that??
@@vinnyxjones choos hardware setup. There you schould see this option
Hi, nice video!
How do you send through a clock sync if you need to ? (Considering many presets, could rely on the bpm).
You can send a MIDI CC message to tap tempo to the C4 using the UTIL mode, or you could use our MIDI Y-cable to input MIDI clock from another device in your setup. The DMC.micro doesn't generate its own clock. Alternatively you could look at one of our larger controllers like the DMC-3XL Gen3, DMC-4 Gen3, DPC-5 Gen3 etc which all have USB Host functionality and will generate MIDI clock.
Disaster Area Designs thanks a lot. Not very clear how to do it with the Y cable. If I sends command to the c4 from the dmc micro via usb, how can i add the clock source to the pedal? The c4 inputs just the usb so the Y midi cable is not useful. Does that cable works as a merger and splitter ?
@@airshpd6008 The MIDI port of the DMC is both input and output. If you use the y-cable you have access to the DMC.micro MIDI input. Send MIDI clock from your DAW, drum machine, whatever to the input of the DMC.micro and it will pass the message along to the C4. Just be careful because if you send clock to the C4 but it's not set up to receive clock it may hang up.
Disaster Area Designs ok thanks. So just the dmc is able to send midi in and out from the only midi port it has? Because I also have another midi foot controller, would that Y cable work as well?
@@airshpd6008 Yes.
Can you please do a walk through explaining how to use a C4 with a DMC Micro and a Boss Expression pedal ( EV-30) to control the C4 parameters ? I couldn’t see anything in the manual to clearly explain how to do this.
Thanks
Sure, I'll put that on the list. This vid was already about 2 mins too long, no time to do it. Basically you just go into the Neuro app and select the thing you want to control from the list, then enable the expression input. That's pretty much it, but I can see about doing a video for you!
@@DisasterAreaDesigns I have tried that using both the desktop app and the IOS version with no success . I turned on External Control and mapped the Remote Expression (HUB MIDI) to various target parameters such as OUTPUT BALANCE and MASTER , etc.. but the Expression Pedal does not actually seem to be being output through the DMC to the C4.Not sure what to do next .
Thanks
@@WildtoneMusic I'll see what I can do re: a video. This might sound silly but is your C4 on the latest firmware?
@Disaster Area Designs yes , updating the firmware on both units was the first thing I did . The DMC micro is working fine to switch presets on my C4 but some setting for the expression pedal input seems to need to be adjusted
@@DisasterAreaDesigns yes , updating the firmware on both units was the first thing I did . The DMC micro is working fine to switch presets on my C4 but some setting for the expression pedal input seems to need to be adjusted
Does it have to be DevA to work with the USB? I have a qConnect, and have A-E already filled. Can I do the same things here, but set to device F?
Yes, it must be DevA, as I mentioned in my support emails to you.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns Thanks (I'd never asked about the C4, as I only started looking into it, this week).
I'm not sure what happened. I got everything set up and running, came back the next day powered everything up and the C4 somehow factory reset and I lost all my presets. Thankfully I saved them onto my laptop when I was using the desktop editor but it shouldn't be resetting. Anyone have any ideas?
No idea - we don't send any commands to the C4 that would cause it to reset. However, if you power the pedal up with the footswitch held down that's one way to reset it all, so there could be something there. I'm glad you had a backup!
I didn’t see c4 Selection in my dmc micro . What can I do ? Update or?😢😢
Yup, update is the way. If you have a DMC.micro Classic (blue LED display) I recommend the beta version of the firmware here: disasterareadesigns.com/dmc-beta
what is the purple version of the pedal? Some kind of limited edition? I want it badly😅
It's one of the first 50 "BETA" units, Source Audio sold them back a couple of years ago. Mine has been repainted by Disaster Mfg, the originals were basically spray-painted and were, um, a bit rough.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns looks definitely cool👾
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I have a C4 and the Future Impact v3. What is the Best way to control these in a live situation. Thank you
Any of our DMC Gen3 series will work fine. The C4 will be a direct USB connection and the Future Impact will use the 5-pin MIDI connector. The smallest device would be the DMC.micro as shown in this video, and then pretty much anything else in the DMC Gen3 lineup will offer more options and controls.
Which do you prefer?
@@TwinCitiesOxygen I also have both, and it's horses for courses. It's kind of like Roland vs. Moog - the Future Impact is dirtier, more distorted, has more character, but the C4 can do a ton with the sequencers, etc. Both sound great but they're really different.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns I just want something simple to do stuff like 70s 80s disco and synth pop. Gary Numan, Gap Band (you dropped a bomb on me) kinda stuff too
@@TwinCitiesOxygen C4 might suit you better - it's worth trying one out to see whether it'll work, the three factory presets all sound great even without editing.
If I have a arpeggiator preset one the C4 and I sync it to a midi clock, then I use an expression pedal to control the C4 via midi, the sync is messed up every time i send other midi messages with the expression pedal.
Anyone else noticed the same issue?
Yes, MIDI is a serial protocol so messages are sent one after the other. Sending expression messages can screw with the timing of clock if both are sent at the same time. Some pedals / devices will average out the MIDI clock over time to help prevent this but I don't think the C4 does.
Disaster Area Designs thank you! And what if I still use the bpm sync via usb and control the parameters via control input?
@@MrLockwise No idea, to be honest. I'll give it a shot but my C4 is on my bass board at our practice space and it might be a while before I can get over there!
Disaster Area Designs thanks, very much appreciated
Is there a guide for the 3XL? It is very different to this
It's really not that different - DevA = C4, USB = HOST, everything else is the same.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns It seems to lose connection every time it powers off, and I have to set it up each time?
@@jobbo89 You shouldn't have to do that, but you might make sure that the DMC powers on before the C4.
Are mini b to mini b cables available? This way you do not need the extra adapter piece.
Sure, but you will need to make sure they're set up for USB-OTG. If not, the DMC doesn't understand that it's supposed to enable power over USB to the device.
Disaster Area Designs - Ok,thank you so much.
I can NOT find a mini b - mini b OTG cable any where, that's probably why the ghost cable adapter is there :(
@@davidrichardkozikowski6847 Will this work? www.amazon.com/dp/B07F69BBV5/?th=1
@@DisasterAreaDesigns I am curious to know if these cable work, since I purchased one similar to try with the DMC that is coming very soon.
So this just sends PC messages?
Wouldnt this be easier if you used their neuro hub?
Maybe? If you already have the hub, that's a great choice. When the C4 launched, it wasn't supported in the hub firmware for a while. At this point there are several ways to connect your C4 or other newer SA device, this is just one of them. This video is also 4 years old, so it's wild to me that it still gets comments.
Whats your preset 1?! sounds THICC/HEAVY af
Hahaha - I thought it was a factory preset but I checked and it is indeed a custom sound. I've uploaded it to the Neuro library as "Thiccness" in case you want to try it out.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns thanks! Trying to make a “calm like a bomb” preset and this is a good start. Thanks. Just got the micro in the mail yesterday and man... unreal tool
Can you just use a double ended mini usb cable instead of that adapter nonsense??
Depends on the cable, pin 5 on the USB cable is the "ID" pin, and we use it to decide whether to go into host mode or stay in device mode. If you set the C4 (or other SA pedal) to skip USB power check it might work but we can't make any promises.
After several attempts and following all the steps, it didn't work! I use Windows to Update the DMC....I don‘t know if I made some mistakes....I don‘t think so! Can somebody help me?
Email our support folks, use the form on the website please
@@DisasterAreaDesigns I don‘t know who should I contact, because the C4 connected with de Micro Midi, the green light does not turn on when changing the effect banks! I already sent back the Synth C4 to the store thinking that Hand á defect, but they re-sent me saying that the pedal has no defect! Now I don't know if the problem is the Midi Controller or the C4 Synth itself! I am very disappointed with all this Situation!
@@pedromattos-bass Email OUR support please. support at disasterareadesigns dot com
dude! you mean to tell me that you created a device that lets you go thru all the presets 1 by 1 but you can't assign them thru midi?
that would be so lame....
Not sure what you mean. The DMC.micro will allow you to access any preset on the C4. You can scroll through the presets, or arrange them in any order using preset mode. Or if you have another MIDI controller you prefer to use, you can still use the DMC.micro to convert the 5-pin MIDI in to USB MIDI out - though we'd recommend the micro.ghost to save money and board space.
I was on the fence about buying the micro... but now watching this I am definitely going to be purchasing one. Thanks for the super helpful video.
My only question, can the micro display the name of the preset in any way? Or will it only display the number? Not a deal breaker, I could just see it getting confusing if I have like, 20 presets, remember what each one is.
Thanks
The little display on there is just 7-segment, like a clock or you rmicrowave. It's not great at letters - in particular K, M, V, X are pretty bad-looking. Our larger controllers can name presets, as they have a 14-segment alphanumeric display.
why turn utility off?
If you don't need it, it saves time because you don't have to scroll past it. You can certainly turn it on if you want it, that's up to you!
Why can't you just buy a USB mini-B to USB mini-B cable, instead of gHOST?
Sometimes you can, it dependson the cable. USB-OTG relies on pin 5 (the "ID" pin) being grounded so that the hosting device knows it has a peripheral connected. We now have a slightly better way to handle this setup, just use the Neuro cable that comes with your C4 and connect to the MultiJack of the DMC. The C4 isn't super robust over USB MIDI, esp. if you're sending clock, and the 1/4" to 1/8" connection bypasses that issue.
Why not use a mini usb b to mini usb b cable?
You certainly can, as long as it supports USB-OTG with pin 5 grounded. That's how the micro knows it's got a USB device connected rather than a host.
Because they don't make any that are OTG ready, at Least I can't find any!
Bass player here.
Really want to buy a C4, mostly to use live.
They told me to get a DMC.micro midi controller to use it with, and that's how I ended up watching this video.
I must say, though, I might as well be watching a video tutorial about 16 century Mandarin literature...
Everything he does with the DMC controller from the 4.00 minute mark onwards is something I have never seen before, and seems way too complicated for my limited knowledge of pedals...
Can someone recommend a video for beginners (but I mean, REAL beginners)...?
Thank you
the DMC is beawtifull but i think is too expensive, thnks for the video!
I didn't get a USB cable in my C4 box!
Sorry, not sure whether they all have them but both of mine did. USB cables are cheap as chips though :)
As soon as I heard updates firmware I" stopped the video, left this comment and left this video. Nothing against Disaster Area Designs but I can't stand using computers for anything other than recording.
Thanks for commenting! I totally understand if you're not into firmware updates, but that's the only method we have to deploy fixes and new features. The alternative is to send it in for us to update, and that takes days to weeks depending on where you live.
@@DisasterAreaDesigns I understand and no offense was intended I just miss the days where MIDI was a five pin cable running from a keyboard or sequencer going to a synth. There were limitations with the older stuff and I know the new stuff has so many options but I still like the simpler days. Is there an option to run 5 pin MIDI into something that turns it into USB? I think I saw something in a modular synth but I not sure.
@@serenemachine9110 We make a unit that does just that. www.disasterareaamps.com/shop/micro-ghost
4 minutes in? Faaahhhk this. Too much.
As much as i paid for this pedal, it shouldn't be this complicated and need other outboard hardware or software. It's a BS pedal that isn't worth the price.
Hi, I can get a USB mini to USB mini cable (male to male). Can I just use that to connect the DMC to my C4 and skip the gHost adapter part??
Maybe, depends on the cable. If it's USB-OTG compatible it may work, but so far we haven't had any reports of male-male cables working correctly,
@@DisasterAreaDesigns OK. I bought the pedal in Canada from an authorized dealer (Montreal) and they didn't have the gHost cable... Can I order this from you guys, or from some local source?
@@eBassChuck Amazon has something that should work - look for USB mini OTG and you should be in good shape. We can sell you one but the shipping will be stupid expensive for this little cable.