Meta Quest 3's Best Weapon Against Apple Vision Pro: Logitech MX Ink
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- We go hands-on and test the Logitech MX Ink, the first mixed reality stylus that works seamlessly with the Meta Quest 2 and 3. Tracked input options are a major differentiating factor between virtual reality headsets, and we examine how this tracked stylus feels for writing, painting, and designing in 3D space when compared to hand-tracking or Touch controllers.
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Just a note for future products like this. It shouldnt take 6mins to actually show the product in use. you can show all the hardware features over the whole video
U didn't show anything. Just waving around the product. At least show a Realtime demo
9:44
Also, there's nothing to show. It's a stylus. You understand how a stylus works, right? Like he said, there's an SDK for devs to utilize, who want to make use of the thing - until then, there isn't really "official support" in anything yet, and it's just a fancy, more intuitive controller for drawing.
lol I FF through the whole video. Just show what it looks like to write or draw on a physical flat surface!!
This could have been a 5 minute video.
You didn't show your actual handwriting output...?
It's a writing device and you missed that entire point?
Clearly saw about 1/3rd through you were trying to push and write on your green mat and clearly it wasn't working so you just moved on the spinning it around again and showing a fake shadow it makes 🤷♂️
That's because there simply isn't a whiteboard anymore. The only app that supported the pen tips of the pro controllers or now the logitech pen was Horizon Workrooms, but Meta patched everything related to the Whiteboard and more out of the app.
The very little amount of video of it actually in use in VR is a bit suspicious
Man, if people can get this fully working with blender I will buy it and a quest 3 in a heartbeat. I can't even imagine how much better 3d modeling would be with a tool like this. I don't think I'd ever go back.
Yeah - Gravity Sketch is great, but I would love to be able to fully use this in Blender, in VR. Since it’s supposed to be native to the Quest AND we’re supposedly also getting a direct Win 11 remote desktop access, I’m hoping maybe it’ll work seamlessly enough to just jump back and forth between Blender’s desktop and VR modes from within the Quest.
Then maybe someday we’ll get a dedicated mixed reality Bender addon where we can translate the desktop experience into something like mixed reality tabletop modeling IRL.
@@INTERROBANG-by7ysThe biggest hinderance to 3d modeling and UI in general is that its stuck in two dimensions. An AR type development envorpnment fpr 3d modeling is a dream. I can think of so many amazing aspects of that.
Is like as if 3d modeling and fps games were initially made for vr all along while flatscreen is more just an after thought
its best weapon is costing 1/7th as much as the vision pro and actually having content
There is a small, niche art community that does a lot of their work in VR, *for* VR. Im one of them. This stylus is perfect for me. I know that it annoys gamers everytime a company drops something for VR thats not gaming focused, but there are some of us who benefit from things like this. Plus, this is probably the last piece of hardware we're (the vr art community) gonna get for 20 years, so dont worry.
Now when is this thing gonna be available in canada?
@@SeageSpeaks see how can you say this is perfect when they barely showed it actually being used.. not once did they show it being used as a pen on a surface with its pressure sensitive tips.
This was a load of bloat for a video
@@Artificial.Unintelligence I probably worded it a little incorrectly, but to be fair, for what i do, he already showed it working exactly how i need it. I dont need to draw on a surface, i have a cintiq and an intuos for that. Im not note taking in VR, im drawing and sculpting in the air, so the pen tip sensitivity meant nothing to me either. He showed it working in all the ways that I would need it to work. I have friends who were testers of the pen that told me that it worked well for them as well. So i was speaking more to that than this video. My bad for the lack of clarity, i wasnt speaking to this video specifically.
Gamers should be happy to, if for no other reason that this starts to crack open the door to other tracked third party accessories in VR. Tracked gunstocks, golf clubs, gloves, maybe even a koozie for your drink.
If I see this on sale, I might get it just to fool around in some art apps, but it doesn't really appeal to me at that price point. However, I am just happy for the people it will help, like you, and what it might mean for the future of the Meta platform, which has moved so far from its Oculus roots, any sign of opening up should be taken as a positive.
@@IanDeMartino I started out solely creating animations and then taught myself how to do 3d sculpting and now the pipeline in VR, because of VR. But BECAUSE of art, I started to get really curious about what others could create within the space and began gaming, and now I play a ton of games as well and own 3 headsets. Things like this are special, because i feel like its a tool *for* VR, Like the future of it, but a little differently from how you said. For example, the creator of Walkabout Mini Golf, i know he does a chunk of his work on his maps in Gravity Sketch, fully in VR. Tools like these, i feel like would help people like him create more comfortably. I too want to develop and create more experiences for VR from within VR. A lot of the people making VR worth anything are the small indie creators, and many work in unconventional ways, so i see tools like this as a net positive across the board. Plus, a lot of artists cant get used to working with controllers, they want that familiarity of a stylus, so this opens up the door to more experienced flat screen creators beginning to explore the space like I did.
I agree with you. If you're already a VR artist or do productivity stuff, then this price is reasonable and fair compared to the $700 pricetag on the old beta, lmfao. Its close to that or regular 1st party digital stylus'. But normal people are gonna look at this and be like...why? But its just like you said. Who knows where people will go next, or what other things meta will take on as first party? This is only the beginning.
I'm using my quest 3 only for wireless pc vr so I have the smallest 128gb model, after a year I'm still really happy from it. I think we don't need more hardware but rather good software
Good and light enough that never makes the device slower.
The software is fine, you can encode a stream from your pc, and decode it on the headset, seamlessly, using your personal choice of many different programs that improve every day. Even the quest os/ui has been improved significantly this year.
But the hardware is still too bulky, too heavy, and has a short battery life. Lenses can always be improved, and standalone is still miles away from pcvr fidelity. Hardware should definitely be the only priority until its mainstream enough for better software to follow.
Yeah cool games sell headsets, and Valve knows it
@@Cheesepuff8sir quest 3 is not valve lmao
Play Other Sons and Duck Hunt
As i was scrolling i noticed the title and saw what i thought was a window breaker and thought, yep that should help stop the competition.
But the important question being, can you use two for beat saber? ;)
Whoooa a complete virtual drum set even!
There's no way it could ever track well enough to do that
I just wish Meta would finally fix the Health Connect in Android, it has not worked even once in the whole lifetime of Android 14.
yeah WTF... I don't understand how they still have not fixed this after all this time... we going to get Android 15 and still not going to work...
@@Nighthunt01 exactly. There's already multiple threads about it on the Meta Forum and the Google Guide on porting to the new Health Connect were released way in advance of Android 14.
I'll very happily buy one if it supports PC VR and can be set up like a virtual pen display in Windows. It's pretty inexpensive relative to PC pen tablets and pen displays.
That looks like a brutal deltoid workout. Lions can't draw without a friction surface.
Stop acting like the Quest has to fight back against the Apple - it beats it in terms of sales, price, content and games. Apple needs a weapon againt the quest, not the other way around.
Can't believe nobody else is covering this
Probably because it’s a nothing tool. Cool but such a minuscule application that it’s almost pointless- no pun intended.
TESTED reviewing VR gear.
Oh, that takes me back to the days of anticipating the release of Rift.
I want a 4k x 4k display is the X Elite chip. Meta can do it for 800. God, I'd wait in line 24hrs. Not a gamer, but very into taking notes, and this stylus plus better readability? Amazing experience.
How accurate is it? Can I draw a line on a ruler and get 1" in reality be 1" in space?
Can I use it as CMM?
Its awesome to see Lenovo and Meta collab more officially since the Rift S days.
i love the meta vr videos
Could be an interesting way to have tracked weapons (as it's a more "gun barrel" shaped device than the normal controllers). Interesting video, as always.
It's like the intro of half life alyx come to life lol still best opening of any VR game.
love these videos. wish they would tighten up the script and the edit just a touch
I'm building an octogon house. It would be neat to draw it on site in 3d with this device.
So the lack of actually showing this over princess pen would imply that this review is about the “coolness” of the tech rather than any sort of practical application.
Need a meta quest game I can play on my treadmill with mixed reality on
that would be very nausea inducing due to the lack of velocity
I'd be totally sold, no questions asked, IF they managed to integrate this pen into the system in a way where i could write with it over the vr keyboard and it would convert my hand written text into input in ANY selected text field as if i have used the keyboard to write it. Because its very slow to write use the digital keyboard. I think they'd have the best chance of selling it if they got this to work properly.
Ray casted? Maybe a piece of geo with an alpha and it does collision testing.
The OS is holding stuff back so much.
CAD nerd in me wants an app with this and voice commands! Virtual 3d designing in 3d 😎
The best weapon against Apple vision is the price. Jesus. Video over
also having content. AVP is expensive e-waste
Will this be available for Desktop Apps / Meta Link, or will it be only for the much more limited Quest OS?
It would be nice to use in golf simulators and other games where i have something attached to my controller and don't want to hold both controllers. I could use this to move around the course and put it in my pocket to hit the ball.
So meta quests best weapon is actually a Logitech product. So not even something they came up with?
Wait for Vision Pro
thank you for the tech videos Norm : ) :)
Work with pc or only Quest3 ? Cool device!
It is fun for a bit but I'd bet your back and shoulders would strain after a longer use.
Meta Quest is in trouble if it's relying on Logitech.
Too bad it doesn't work with the Quest Pro for whatever reason. I want one but it doesn't work with my headset according to Logitech 😬
I love Norm's Julie Newmar poster. Who is the artist?
On a less positive note, it's frustrating that the pressure sensitivity of the nib wasn't shown off, even when there are many shots of Norm writing on a surface. Was this feature not ready at the time of the demo, or was it just an oversight in editing?
Is it really true you have to sign a non-disparagement agreement to attend connect? What if your get disparaged?
Does it work with Beat Saber?
The Quest 3 doesn't need a weapon to beat the AVP. It's already beating it.
AVP isn't even a product anyone has or uses
Did you bump your head?
Give us USB c uncompressed
Too bad it all requires a Facebook account
The tragic thing here is that both the Apple and Meta headsets are made by truly awful companies. I'll stick to my Wacom tablet.
At 230 the stylus would be a no go but at 130 i could see it
wtf I mean for some sure...
but cant seem to justify a bigchunk % cost for a Extra
over the price of the base Quest3 complete set!
I generally don't follow the newest tech trends like I did in my younger days. I tried out my son's vr headset...it was interesting... but it got me wondering...
The headset is large and clunky...does anyone know why they haven't developed goggles instead?
for ar they already have, look at the nreal glasses.
@@SimonBauer7
It appears that they have many bad reviews. Have you used them?
Excellent presentation. Thankyou❤
No need to compare everything to Apple plz just just product name in title is fine...
The future
That's neat but I can also just draw on paper without VR, and on the PC I can use a standard graphics tablet to have more features in connection with all kinds of software. I guess the only real benefit is for people who want to create 3D artworks in VR and prefer holding a pen/brush shaped controller, but that's a niche of a niche.
I use normal drawing tablet a lot and the way you can draw on every surface while also use it for air 3d modeling combined with VR/AR capabilities, it could do 100,000,000 more than you can ever do with traditional drawing tablet. The only thing I'm worry about is the drawing performance since is the first gen
@@toututu2993 You can already do almost everything this does with the normal meta quest controller. All the VR painting apps already exist. This only gives you a pen shaped grip. Also I have tried drawing in 3D and using the number 100,000,000 to describe it is a bit ridiculous. Sure it’s cool but so is a 3D movie.
@@SaHaRaSquad the 100,000,000 times potential is not that ridiculous once you know what vr can do. As for 3d movies, it does nothing other than stretch the image for each eye to make a boring fake 3d illusion effect that make watching a movie more unbearable
@@toututu2993 I do know what VR can do, I have a headset myself and played around with drawing/design programs on it. Yes, at first glance it seems revolutionary but it really isn’t. It’s not a new medium for art, it’s simply a much more intuitive user interface for what is already possible for decades in 3D modeling software. I think that’s great and has a lot of potential for artists, but at the same time it’s just a virtual model building environment.
@@SaHaRaSquad You absolutely have no idea. It is only in its 2% potential and just because you own one doesn't mean anything. There is no serious 3d model program for it yet and being able to move object in 3d space is enough to let a person with common sense know is far better than anything you can do with flatscreen device. I'm a picky tech person. Nothing impressed me after when pc hit the market until vr which is more than revolution, it opens up more possibilities
The apple vision pro is so far behind already. Let all the rich people play with their over priced hunk of trendy garbage already...
Could it be that they overestimated how much people were willing to spend to sprinkle virtual doo-dads around their room with AR? VR, on the other hand, is the closest thing we have to a freaking holodeck! You can virtually visit _all kinds_ of places that are *WAY* more interesting than the room you're already in.
Fake news...meta doesnt make or allow games to be released on their systems lol
The Apple Vision Pro is a 1.4B failure. You can't mass market a headset without games and sell it for a ridiculous price point. The Quest 2 has sold over 20 million units, you're not catching up to, or surpassing those kinds of numbers. Quest 3 looks nice but if like me you already have a Quest 2... it's not worth the cost to upgrade.
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Adam has changed, but my FREE ENERGY design is still as beautiful as before
So it's still absolute trash?
2nd
If you sit down with the team, dont forget to ask them how its going illegally stealing peoples faces to the point of entire nations sueing them
It’s all dumb. Go outside people.
Come inside! We have books, games, a crafting space, a TV, and a hug if you need one 🤗
@@daverayment they definitely need a hug.
1. You should probably go in a toilet, honestly. But, sure, yeah, go outside people - not inside them.
2. Yeah! Outside people rock! Go outside people! Woo!
3. I'm imagining you, outside, maybe sitting under a tree, for hours on end, just commenting on every video you come across, "It's all dumb. Go outside people." Surely you wouldn't dare post such a thing while inside, right?
Right?aaaaaaa
can't believe it but: first
No views in 5min? Bro fell off 😞
Top comedy boys
There are views. Live views that we see as admins of the channel are ahead of what is shown publicly to you and other viewers, which lag.
Selling my quest 3 because of motion sickness!! Tried and tried but just can’t 🤷🏼🥹
Yeah VR kindof sucks. Between motion sickness and the sheer amount of sweat that pours into my eyes?
No thanks.
You weren't trying to use "smooth turning" were you? That's actually LESS like how our vision works (saccades) than "snap turn."
@@DavidMaruca_ Funny... I've been using VR for years and that hasn't been my experience *AT ALL.* Sorry you can't enjoy it, because I freaking love it!
some people are sensitive to it, some are not, i am inbetween, i can do it for half an hour or so at a time, but after that i need to stop, as it makes me sick after that. i prefer flat screen.@@StubbyPhillips
I'll give you $100 for it.
Alternatively, try ginger candy. Also, keep at it, play until you start feeling off, then stop and take a good, long break. Your brain thinks you've been poisoned, and if you actually throw up, it's all, like, "Oh, see? I was right to feel this way - I'll be sure to feel it faster next time". Don't let it get to bad, and eventually your brain chills out/lets it happen.
Also, make sure you have snap turn/teleport locomotion on, work your way up [slowly] to smooth locomotion. Personally, I just avoid smooth-turn altogether/am not going to bother with training myself to be able to stomach it.
I have ginger candy at the ready, though, in case I get adventurous.
They don't need to do anything to beat the vision pro. It's already done it to itself.
The best weapon is not being $3500
We can say that in a few generations. First generation is an expensive beta test. Wouldn’t be the first time that Apple makes a product that only later becomes viable.
This is sort of Apple’s approach to all of their modern products so I think it’s a little early to write it off entirely. The Apple Watch and even iPhone both didn’t really blow up until the 3rd and 4th gen when the prices were brought to a reasonable level and in the case of the iPhone, the 3g was when it was finally available on more than one carrier in the US.
• The original iPhone was seen as a luxury product for rich people, it was incredibly expensive, did very little and was limited to AT&T
• The original Apple Watch was much the same, very little utility at launch and for higher prices than the modern ones.
• Remember the first gen iPad? It was truthfully a large iPod touch and that was the main criticism people had towards it but now it’s by far the leader in the tablet marketplace and it’s not really close.
I think it is a pretty underwhelming experience at this point and for 3500, not worth it for anyone besides VR app developers, but this is not an unfamiliar trajectory for Apple’s successful long term projects. The only recent Apple product that I think was a hit right out of the gate was AirPods and AirPods Pro and that was partially because they removed the headphone jack and the novelty was easy to appreciate even from an advert unlike Apple Watch and Vision which really need to be used to get the appeal of.
Not defending the Vision Pro at this point at all, they need to learn from its many issues for the next few generations if they want it to succeed, I think long term they want to make AR+VR hybrid glasses that are not much bigger than regular glasses and the Vision Pro is more of an early beta for people with a lot of expendable income. The tech is impressive in a lot of ways, the pass through is miles beyond quest 3 and the resolution and color accuracy of the screens are better than any VR headset on the market unless something’s changed in the past few months but their focus on productivity doesn’t really work with VR imo, it would work much better in augmented reality where you don’t feel isolated with tunnel vision and like you’re looking through a screen.
Apple is indeed famous for it's products getting cheaper than the competition!
@@visualglitch91 That was true for a short time in the 80s and 90s. It hasn't been true for nearly 30 years.
The most shocking thing about this is that its a relatively affordable price if its only at $130 not cheap, but for those who really love VR and work/like to be artistic its not too unreasonable. Happy there is more development and innovation, even if I don't particularly care for it as it stands currently. Sadly, the software to me seems to be sorely underdeveloped/optimized for these tasks so it may fall on deft ears, but it opens many doors.
Too Expensive! $169 with dock? Should be $99 at most.
Does this have any use in CAD/CAM applications like Solidworks, ANSYS, Fusion 360, KiCAD and similar engineering tools? Same for the the Quest or similar AR/VR headsets?
Can't wait for the return of Projections.. maybe.. someday. . . 😢
I'm glad that the apple vision pro exists because it created competition with quest and forced them to improve their pass through.
With the recent updates and now that price cut now is the time to buy a quest
Quest e tracking still sucks. Does this tracking SUCK? If it doesnt suck I'd buy it but sick of bad tracking.
I don't get how it does pressure sensitivity without any resistance. The triggers on the controller are a much more convenient way to do so
It's quite a lot of money! I guess stylus are even for Surfaces. I doubt there will be much competition.
Finally! been waiting to ee more on this little device!
VisionOS says hold my beer
uma bosta parece anos 2000
Awesome!
Que rollero que es
As a real life sculptor I can see this device being a crutial tool for sculping in Substance 3D Modeler. Its perfect substitute for one of the controlers, and closest in ergonomics to what sculpting tools look and feel like. Next we need gloves whith this tech and I can fully transition to a digital workflow, at least to substitute my clay modeling stage.
Great work sir ❤😊
Is it wrong that I saw the title and the thumbnail and my brain went "A Knife Missile?"...?
i dount have a quest 3 yet 😢😞
Soon bro
@@Mf_Cooldawg
ill hope so bro,i dount even have a nice gf yet still single 😞
Don't need or want AR or standalone so most of AVP and the facebook Quest are just useless to me.
What about the Stylus work on the Quest Pro? You only mentioned Quest 2 and Quest 3, but then later on you talk about the Quest Pro controllers, but does the stylus work?
Wow, another thing to lose on my desk. Wake me up when it has a real mainstream compelling application.
I forgot VR existed, haven't heard anything about it for a couple years... did they make any good apps for it yet, a killer app even? I know HL Alyx was good but that was ages ago
Except for the world of gaming and in the professional engineering world consumer VR companies just seems like they are building devices that are solutions in search of a problem ...