@@the_holy_trumpf9024 Because it was not DOW. All they had to do was make it like DOW1 with graphics and cover mechanics of DOW2. So easy and they failed so hard.
I don't know what you're talkin about, they will always be sons of Magnus the red and use their psychic abilities to do gymnastics like ballerinas in power armour as they go about being kleptomaniacs as always
Me who reads the lore seeing that almost made me retarded, i mean it's possible in regular power armor and maybe easy for an assault marine with a jump pack but not a big fucking terminator
-Why are there no sync kills -Why are the super soldier marines squishy? -Why is angelos hulk now? -Why is the graphics cartoony? -Where are the other factions? -Why are they trying to be a moba i can go on forever.
Why are there no sync kills? Because sync kills add something to a good game, and nothing to a bad one Why are the super soldiers marines squishy? Because they have to be in an RTS Because your basic infantry has to die in mass. Why is angelos hulk? He's not he just has a single dumb abylity. Why is the graphics cartoony? They aren't. Where are the other factions? It had no support post launch and only dropped with one less faction then the other games. Why were they trying to be a moba? they weren't Mobas would give you snow ball mechanics and have it so the most important thing in the game is making sure your elite units level up and take the advantage when your enemy is occupied or dead. The reason people call it a MOBA is because they were popular for a little while and people love buzzwords
Why didn't they use the hero system for a last stand game-mode? I'm literally crying here, The last stand mode in DoW2 was amazing with friends even with it's PITIFUL amount of content, seriously, TWO MAPS, and NO alternative bosses or anything... I'd seriously buy a Warhammer 40k game instantly if it was just a fleshed out version of the last stand mode!
@@iamablacksabbathsong9765 It's from Calgar comic where he somehow manages to get on top of a Lord of Skull and rips its head off. It's the very last page, too.
All that time I thought it's just Calgar being aware of how Warp works and using it for fun/op ultrablueberries being op, and it turned out to be a reference to some existing works. TTS is beautiful.
The utter weight of the drop pod in the dow 2 mission intros was insane. It was from orbit and slammed into the ground with spite. The dow 3 drop pods look like empty chinese takeout boxes dropped off the table
I would argue DoW 1 would be a fantastic esports. Less technical and more visceral. See the other team hero unit get eaten by a khornate demon and sell t-shirts of that moment. People could get invested in the spectacle easier in DoW than in 3. Heck, it's even fairly easy to see what's going on in UA mod videos, let alone one with a spectator camera zooming in on the carnage.
@@ElGreco15 That is true, DoW is a brilliant game to watch unfold even when you aren't playing. I used to spend hours watching my Dad play when I was little.
Voice Acting in Dawn of War 3 teaser: "What's he gonna do? Loan him a book?" Voice Acting in Dawn of War 1: *"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."*
@@WEMBLEYNE Here a translation of a German voiceline (btw they were epic too) Scriptor:"There is no such thing as innocence, there are only different facettes of guilt."
@@Schwachsinnn It was in the English version as well, I imagine all lines cross over. Though it was "There is no such thing as innocence, only varying degrees of guilt" in English.
@@cooljim1376 Nice then I actually got pretty close to the original voice line with my freely translated one. I also believe that almost all lines cross over, yet I just don't know the English ones as well. I didn't want to share a wrong voiceline, that's why I pointed out that I only know the German one. :)
@@Schwachsinnn I also know mosty only the german voicelines, but it instantly klicked when i read your translation. "friendship is magic and magic is heresy"
I personally loved the killing animations I'm dawn of war. Especially how mech units pick up smaller enemies, maim them, then chuck them like trash. It really showed how powerful and dangerous the mechs are in the battlefield and makes you rethink your choices when an oversized trash can bisects your assault marines
Gotta say i disagree with the whole 'we should have supported it more' thing at the end. If a business makes this many mistakes and fundamentally did not get it's target audience at all it shows a lack of basic marketing principles or even game direction. Dawn of war 3 deserved to fail due to inept development, bad business practise and the game at it's core was completely different to anything before it. From the gameplay to the story and everything inbetween.
@@marcushansen2807 The problem was that they didn't do something different. they tried to copy MOBA's and alienated DOW 1 fans and DOW 2 fans at the same time. If a company releases a product that doesn't attract customers then shocker, they made a bad product.
So what? They made it different enough to stand out from the likes of starcraft, what with the the more focus on hero and special units rather than the foot soldiers. Besides, series like, Breath of the Wild, Call of Duty WWII, and God of War (For the PS4) are rehashed from games like Horizon Zero Dawn, Any Call of Duty game, and Dark Souls respectively, and people still flock to and love them. I know this because I actually own these games and can say without a shadow of a doubt that they are just that; rehashes.
@@marcushansen2807 Well if you want to talk about real experiences DOW 3 didn't attract any customers and was abandoned by relic months after launch so clearly it didn't do enough to differentiate itself.
@@matminecraft01 That's just reality of offering something you didn't make people want. RTS games aren't the center of the market. The biggest reason this game fell to the wayside is because of one thing; timing. Think about this; what genre was the "meta" (for lack of a better term) in 2017? I am asking BTW.
The first 40k content I can remember was when my mom bought Space Hulk for my Panasonic 3D0, because in her words, "you like Alien, and freaky space shit, so I thought you might like this. It looks kinda wierd and cool". I remember it being such a novel thing to see what looked like space-templars in power armor. I had to know more! And it was before the internet and wikipedia was a thing, so all I could do was ask anyone who might know more. I became obsessed with reading any material I could find about this strange universe. Not a single thing about the wold of 40k is good - its all dark, hopeless, and otherworldly. It's that history of nothing but violence and hardship that makes it stand apart from other fictional worlds. It takes everything I love about dark sci-fi and dark fantasy, mixes them together, then turns it upside down and shoves a pint of human history up its ass. Seeing Dawn of War sacrifice the grit and authenticity in order to pull in people who dont know what 40k is, its just such a fucked up move. This entire universe and all its lore is a god damned work of art, and that work of art includes GRIT and DIRT and BATTLE SCARS !!! emotional rant over.
"shoves a pint of human history up its ass" lol this. Adds to that mystery. One of the best examples of this to me was in the audiobook The Sigillite, set during the heresy where they are recovering an artifact from the traitors that turns out to be the rosetta stone. Its really weird and make me sad for the future that they are pulling this shit now that warhammer has become "popular". Are we already loosing the grim dark ? :(
Standard RTS are dead. Not even blizzard servers have players. Anyone emulating Starcraft is miliking a dead cow. Starcraft/Warcraft are kept alive like Elvis, for prestige and legacy only. Blizzard makes bank with mobiles for chinese and hearthstone and wow
@@criztu 25000 player or more on age of empire 2, then we have the old Red alert, Generals. Soo yeah RTS are not dead, how can you say things without even looking around
It could have been the daemon from DOW1 finally facing off against Angelos and Macha after Decades if not centuries but because DOW3 was what it was of course its just some random daemon because DOTA and LOL hell even DOTA and LOL named its Giant Boss enemy and has a more consistant Visual tone i.e Cartoony so comarong it to those 2, its not even a contest.
@@florians9949considering there is a short story of a loyalist word bearer dreadnought glowing like a god and flying around like a fucking thunder hawk…I see no issue.
The moment I listened to that one dev on this game, in that one interview. And stood there and said with no remorse in his voice: "we removed characters executing one another, because it halts the flow... ". I knew this was going to be a mess!
@mr oko Blizzard made their money with a regular RTS that has a ton of BS mechanics, overpowered units and cheesy strategies, balanced for E-Sports it isn't, but that's why it's so popular for E-Sports. CSGO used to be the same way until they nerfed everything because the pros were crying, even though the primary reason E-Sports games are fun are because of how ridiculous they are. I don't think they knew what they were doing.
An important thing to understand that so many improvements of DOW3 were driven by the community. Posts providing advice and improvements were prolific. All the while moderators of DOW3 forums were abusive, angry and condescending towards the fan base. Improvements that were adopted from the community were not the same as advised and by the end of the development some members of the community felt they had made a major investment of time in assisting in the development of the game. Just prior to release all the changes the community had advised were deleted and negative comments were deleted. Suddenly the developers wanted to pretend the ideas were all there's. Many members of the community retained hostility from this and their failure to implement obviously beneficial, and perceived financially worthwhile changes on the games release. Added this to many lies by the company and its representatives and some community members being banned for overly criticising the game, and defending themselves against abusive moderators and this game never had the support they could have. Also its worth noting that the community had to fight to ensure you could even have customisable army colors for characters and super heavies in multiplayer because they intended to sell only preformed color schemes. Also the payed-for review from PC Gamer that stated that this was the game the 40k community had been asked for was widely mocked especially considering this was during the alpha stage (and that stage the game looked awful). The community said the graphics needed improvement, and they were told it needed to appear that way to reduce latency in multiplayer or something. Eventually however the community was so aggressive in their commitment to force changes that the developers capitulated and improved the graphics.
I agree that is a problem but thats like a needle in a needle stack of problems -Why are the marines squishy? -Why is angelos hulk now? -Why is the graphics cartoony? i can go on forever.
@@sonofsanguinius176 All of these including the OP can be answered by 1 simple truth. They wanted an E-sports scene. Problem is that E-sports people and casual players tend to want different things.
We must move with the utmost speed for this mission. However as I am in terminator armour I do not need a jump pack. but that doesn't mak SHUTIT SHITBOOT I DO WHAT I LIKE AND I LIKE WHAT I DO *Scared guardsman noises*
Man, I remember Totalbiscuit's video on this game being disappointing when it was new. Now I'm watching a Poncha video on how the game died. The circle of life.
CNC Fans: "First time?" But jokes aside, as an RTS fans, it is just sad seeing the sequel from a game we love, turn absolute downhill because too much greed.
In this case I wouldn't even nessesarily say greed, just painful misjudgment of what people wanted, and an arguable refusal to hear those who attempted to say as much pre-release.
@@silverkingisley6438 Wasn't this during the times where game developers turned around and said you don't like it don't buy our games. IE EA with battlefield... and afew others said you Gamers don't know what you want we know best. Then they all had *surprised Pikachu faces* when their games bombed and had no money...
@@bouldy2 I think this was a little before that whole mess, but yea, same general time period. Thankfully Relic didn't go *that* full in with it, they more just seemed to "not hear" any of their early critics, regardless of how popular or vocal (see Arch) and plowed full steam ahead.
17:00 My main complaint in the art department was how the maps looked. It all felt like a carefully crafted stage, not an organic location. The maps in the first game, although low res, kept the ilusion for me, somehow. The maps in 2 reminded me a lot of Company of Heroes, the maps there actually lokked like normal places where it just so happens that world ending battle takes place. The maps in 3 felt like battle arenas. The ground was too perfect, no building or ruin was accessible, no evident way from where the forces on the field might have come. Just a video game arena. It totally broke my illusion.
i got 1400 hours on Dawn of War 2. I unlocked basically everything there was to unlock for every faction. Completed the campaigns multiple times. I loved this game so much. I think i played this more than Dawn of War 1 which i loved equally, but the strategy and the tactics you could set with your troops in DoW2 was really great, the cover system worked, everything worked. Sure, some units were more powerful than others but you could find a way; when it comes to multiplayer, the community always found a way to counter this and that. Then Dawn of War 3 released: played 3,9 hours. A RTS Warhammer 40k game that was boring: that's plain incredible and to my disappointment (and to others too) Dawn of War franchise died. I'm sorry but i'm not feeling responsible for DoW3 failure because it was not a good game, plain and simple.
What really, really stuck out to me was the voice acting. For example, the orcs had ZERO effects on them to make them sound deeper and...orcier. They just sounded like a guy trying to sound gruff and it was laughable. The Space Marine filters were also terrible. It feels as though this game was made by entirely new people who had not had a hand in the previous ones, perhaps in combination with CEO meddling and a toxic work environment where you can't question decisions.
It's weird you mention the orks, because they had by far the best voice acting of the the factions. I'm pretty sure the same voice actors from DoWII did them and they sound great. The dude that voices a lot of the orks just straight up sounds like that - no "filters" are involved. The writing is classic ork stuff, too. DoWIII space marines sounded fucking awful though, no argument there. Both the writing and delivery were utterly generic and did not capture the 40k feel at all.
I really noticed this as welll to be honest. I hated that the orks didn’t sound guttural. Play space marine, the ork warboss/orks in general sounded great in that game. In this game they all sound like a bunch of Gretchen.
I find it funny, that Remliez from 40k theories can create much better filtering and "astarterizing" his voices than a AAA-Developer with a multi million budget. Says a lot about the game.
"A man who knows his wraithlords from his wraithguard" The advertisement sounds like it was written by a wife who has no clue what warhammer is but pretends to listen to your lore rants to be nice.
I think the problem is it sounds too much like an advertisement, "we know our apples from our oranges, buy 1 get 1 free only while stocks last", sounds like that really.
I remember going to a Q&A for this at PC Gamer and everyone was asking "Will the game have..." and the response was always "no but maybe it will be added in the future". You could tell even they weren't even confident about it.
I feel like going with a cartoony, generic look in order to widen the playerbase was a HUGE miscalculation. One of the reasons why, IMO, DoW1 and DoW2 were succesful was that they both had a pretty unique feel and style that drew people into the games, into the lore, some even into the hobby. DOW3 looks almost insultingly generic, I can't imagine I would develop an interest for this game if it was the first title in the series I came across.
The cartoony, generic look was just one symptom, while "widening the playerbase", or just plain greed, was the disease. - The pivot into a more moba-style - The flashing-oh-shiny-art direction - They was, way, WAAAAYYY smaller battles sizes/unit numbers - The way, way, WAAAAYYY smaller map with the overpronounced mini map - Terminator-Summer-Saults - The mega-cringy marketing/interviews (srsly, NOONE at GW would have greenlit those ... you want on-spot 40k marketing? Paul Barnett ... while Funcom and EA royally fucked Age Of Reckoning up, Paul was THE marketing GOD for 40k-PC-gaming*) This was done to go for the most promising trends, most intrigueing/fun looking experience and lowest skill floor as possible, to trigger more non-40k players while hoping to also trigger the MOBA-crowd. Relic(management) wholeheartedly said: Fuck the licence, fuck the IP, fuck the fanbase, we want more sales, we don't fucking care, do it! GW (probably) had way more of a hands-off apporach on DOW3 then they had with 1 and 2, as those were both very positively acclaimed games, which really furthered the IP itself, so they probably said "Okay, the usual guys are doing it, we don't have to sit on it all the time, they'll be fine" ... yeah ... they should have kept the leash way shorter :( *EDIT: Thinking about it ... the Titan/'Robot' Joke of the voice actress ... Paul would have been - "Dude ... man-bro I just ... woah ... It's a fucking giant mega mech suite and I'm slashing ripping smashing everything it'S so whoahh and then due it's all explosion ans huge minigusn and ... I can't even ... woah!" and he would have sounded 100% legit, believable and geniunely enjoing himself *g* While that actress sounded like, right before the clip was shot was told "Okay, say something you find funny"
Hey Games Workshop decided to put out a series of kids books where the villains were Nekrons....you know the faction that will literally skin people alive and wear their skin as a psychological weapon?
@@Laneous14 @Laneous14 it's more a subfaction infected by a disease/curse. Normally necrons are a menace, but at least they have an objective instead of just wanting to carve your insides out and wear you 🤷🏼♂️
@@Oroberus And that's the thing, you can change things up like how Dawn of War 2 was different from 1, but there was a coherent vision aimed at creating a good 40k game. I mean, Relic made Spacemarine, too, which is an entirely different type of game. Something in or around Relic drastically changed, at the very least somewhere higher up. It seems likely that THQ going bankrupt played a big part in the DoW III debacle. Also, considering a lot of other Warhammer titles, GW may not really have cared but I'm not sure when we started seeing all those throwaway titles exactly. I do have to say I don't care at all that some voice actor or actress doesn't know much about the lore unless knowing more would have helped them do their job. Paul was a PR guy.. it's more the fault of Relic for piling on gaffe after gaffe. I'm sure if the rest of the early previews had been more positive most people would've let it slide. But the fact it was shown in the first place/done that way can be another indicator of flawed direction/management.She seemed to have enjoyed doing her part; it couldn't have been that hard to make it come across positively regardless of her familiarity with 40k.
Nah, graphics were the least of the issue except for certain units... i mean the graphics were serviceable. The problem was that it was a downgrade even when compared to DOW1, not even talking about DOW2 when it comes to the tactical level of the game. No cover system effectively. No chokepoints except for a few destructible covers. No real unit customization, here dow1 was really amazing. Campaign story was ok/ serviceable; but nothing compared to the original dow1 which had amazing arcline and plot. Campagin pacing was sluggish, artificially slowed down. Gabriel Angelos went from an icon to a celebrity basically. His new looks were terrible. The hero system is a cheap after thought, nothing as good as previous. Very limited and stale multiplayer, no reason to play it actually. Badly thought out multiplayer actually, dow1 was amazing there even if I admittedly liked dow2 more. Only 3 factions on launch. Hyped up, but the game provided us nothing. Needless to continue. I guess well be without a good w40k rts for a while, but to put it shorted, Gladius makes a better job at both being a strategy game, and a w40k game, and that was made by an indie studio, unlike big daddy Relic,who many of us loved a lot, even tho lately they are on the weaker side. Gladius is turn based though. Joe said it nicely: like a 3rd person action game. And thats the problem. The game wants to be everything, and ultimately ends up being mediocre at best i all aspects. The game is a jack-of-all, master of none. Hence its mediocrity. But after DoW1-2, COH1-2 (although admittedly CoH2 came with its own shortcomings and faults still unresolved to this day imho, when compared to CoH1), and Homeworld1-2, we would expect more from Relic than just a mediocre game.
I feel like DW1 was made with a love for the table top, and DW2 was made for a love of the original and the table top. DW3 was made because people kept asking for it and a love of money.
Fascinating that, they gave you access to the beta so you could point out mistakes, and then they lock your account for pointing out mistakes. I bet they still wonder why their game failed.
@@EvilOverlord1662 I feel like I may have used some language in the survey but I was so fucking pissed what they were doing with the game I didn't care.
@@HerrmannThompson Often the best advice when giving feedback for a beta test run is brutal, no beating about the bush, blunt as an atom bomb kind of feedback...If you dance around the issues when giving feedback 90% of the time it will go unheeded and things won't get changed or even fixed.
@@PonchaYT True, also I wasn't expecting you to replied to my comment :D Also great video! Love when youtubers explain how they ruined a sequel or a Prequel of a beloved franchise. I feel like it's possible for them to make the best Dawn of War game ever! But the sad thing is that they will never listen to their fans so it's kinda hopeless :/
@@PonchaYT It's sad tho, so many games have been ruined like 40K. I know this game is massively difference but there was a game called Ratchet and Clank. It was such a good game and it was very unique compare to other games... but the new game is so terrible and completely lost what made it special in the first place. I think this is what exactly happened with DOW3 and it kills me to see games not reaching their full potential you have no idea
@@LukeSWOA I've never played ratchet and clank but I saw gameplay of the new one. I thought the gameplay looked okay. Did they differ a lot from the original?
"I don't want to fight a deamon with three heroes, I want to attack a deamon with the might of the astartes". And here's where we see a core difference in design philosophy between Dow1/DoW2 and DoW3. In DoW1 and 2, everything was about the armies. Sure, there were heroes but you never relied on them to carry your army by themselves. DoW1's campaign ends with you bringing everything you can to bear on a Deamon Prince: Predators, Lands Rairders, Terminators, Dreadnoughts, the whole shebang, all to kill a single powerful enemy. Even DoW2 (specifically DoW2 Retribution), with it's focus on heroes, makes you use every unit at your chosen factions disposal to kick Kyras' teeth in at the end of the campaign. You can have Baneblades, Wraithlords, Stormtroopers, Predators, Ork Nobs, the kitchen sink etc.
I just do not get the notion that we the playerbase "killed the game" it is not our fault if we do not enjoy the game and I think no matter what perspective you have you can at least admit DOW 3 had major issues at hand. The ones to kill the game were the developers and publishers with their greedy mindset. this was just one big attempt at a cash grab and when they failed they cut support for it and attempted to pin it all on the playerbase. Kinda shitty and honestly if you look at relics other games it is not surprising Company of heroes 2 was a shit show and I do not look forward to Age of Empires 4.
Yeah mate, I've spoken to so many people about this topic and it's a really interesting one. Many people have different opinions. I would of changed so much in this video after talking to many people but of course it's too late to do that. My next video will be the fall of eternal crusade and it will be nothing like this.
Well the space marines moving fast actually does make sense from a lore perspective, it is said “nothing that big should move that fast” but they did look cooler in the older games
Space Marine in power armor is extremely mobile and resilient. Terminators are when you trade speed for extreme resilience and rare teleporter systems. Gabriel's mobility with Terminator armor could be explained that its the rare Tartaros Terminator armor, tho front flips are not possible, not even with Tartaros Terminator armor. The reason back-flipping terminators exist is because of a writer who didn't want to write 40k story, but a action flick of his own, his other heresies include: Space Marines use Multilasers, mighty morphing Razor-Raiders, Chaos Dark Eldar of Slaanesh...
My LGS has a staff member who was a painter for White Dwarf and worked with THQ as an art advisor for DoWI and DoWII. He left the jig after the release of DoWII and I'm confident with him gone they went off the deep end.
Seriously people need to stop mentioning it's name, it will rebuild itself in the warp and write another book. It was bad enough banishing it the first time.
Warcraft 3, one of the best RTS games with the hero system that *literally created the MOBA genre* is proof that DOW1 with the heroes of 2 could've worked great It could've been the Warcraft 3 of Warhammer
@@celphalonred1999 Dude, what are you even on about? Warcraft 3 is one of THE most celebrated games of ALL time (not talking about Reforged, of course), and even won Game of the year. I personally played it for many years, last time being around 2-3 years ago, and it still had +100k players playing EACH day, and people created new custom maps/campaigns on a regular basis. Not to mention that the competitive scene thrived for many years. How on earth can you possibly think that equals a low playerbase? Can you name a SINGLE game that's had over +100k daily players after 15 years?
@@celphalonred1999 Im curious as to how you came to that conclusion? The game that quite literally created and launched mobas as a genre, helped launch WoW, one of the biggest MMO's of all time (yes i know its being beaten NOW but still) and the game that was so popular, it was remade nearly 2 decades later. Thats the game you think had no players? The game that broke Battlenet regularly because it couldnt handle the sheer number of players active, that game? Do you just not know what youre talking about?
It's like the disparity between the campaigns in DOW2 versus the skirmish modes. The campaigns are boring, heavily linear slogs filled with slow engagements that are a tutorial for the skirmish mechanics, while the skirmish itself is fast, fun and requires constant attention. Dawn of War 3 is the campaign to Warcraft 3's skirmish.
I totally agree with you here, chief. Also huge respect for uploading such a long and detailed video even though you are relatively small. You definitely deserve more views!
Means a lot for you to say that, thanks. I'm not worried about views. I understand how TH-cam has to be played to get bigger, it's just a grind but ill get there. One day :)
My favourite thing about 40K is that half of the internet loves the setting and the vibe, but can’t ever commit because there are like 2 replayable games and playing the tabletop at a normal level takes tens if not hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars to get in the door, it’s an untapped goldmine waiting to burst in the mainstream
The main problem is that GW is a stagnant pig of a company. They never expand and never innovate. Completely stuck in their old ways. It’s mostly incompetent nepo babies I believe.
trowing money in to a medicore/flawed game in the hopes of them looking at the money made and say well we might work on the game some more and make it better is flawed concept. we are not talking about your local 1-2 guys shop making pottery, it's a corporation, you don't throw money at them for all the mtx and dlc's in the hopes they will improve the game, does not work that way
Women don’t play Dawn of War III even though the first name is Dawn! I was going to buy it but change my mind, I wonder what Simon Miller (bald headed muscled British fella in the video) lol
What’s worse about the interview in “Cringy advertisements” is that the interviewer is Simon Miller, and he’s actually really energetic and charismatic. I don’t know what was going on here though.
Simon Miller is a guy who seems like he'd be great to hang out with/be friends with but for whatever reason I can't stand him as a "content creator" A guy I like... but don't want to watch. Weird combo...
Imperium of Men is using a lot of technology pieces that are centuries and sometimes even millennia old. Let's make it look like it just came out of factory and visited a paintshop on the way to the battle and got all the glossiest shit
Tbh with the stupid amounts of serfs space marines have you'd think they'd give them the occasional fresh coat of paint, it's not like the imperium doesn't love to waste resources on unimportant things while millions die without it
One small detail that made me mad was the point capture animation it was so cool seeing space marine plant the flag and bow or Orks banging their choppas on the ground
Voice Acting in Dawn of War 3 teaser: "What's he gonna do? Loan him a book?" Voice Acting in Dawn of War 1: Tau comm: "Do the dead of your soldiers mean so little to you... are you that mad?!" Angelos: "Do the dead of yours mean so much to you, alien... are you that weak?" -"The tau empire will respect your faith, human, if you would only see reason!" -"Our faith is in the emperor of man, alien, to bow to you is heresy..." -"Then you follow the path to destruction..." -"Better destruction than bondage..." -"So say the slave to the free man..." DOW1 quotes are the kind that form your personality. Also, nice video, but the cringy advertisement isnt as cringy as you doing the mocking voices tbh...
I totally agree with the form your personality part, considering I watched my father play Dark Crusade on his lap when I was 3. You missed the best part though: "Surrender human, for the greater good!" "The greater good is coming to you from my bolter, alien!" Though my favourite part of the Tau campaing has to be: "Listen to my voice unbelievers, carried to your minds by the power of the prince of excess himself!!!" "I'm having trouble with my comms system, changing to another channel"
To this day I still quote the Orks randomly. "I SHOULD BUILD A MACHINE, THAT MAKES WALKING... *FASTER*!" "WAKE UP BOYZ, IS TIME FOR FIGHTIN!" "NO ONE'S BIGGER *OR* MEANER THAN US!!" So fucking good man.
That last quote is honestly hilarious. -"So say the slave to the free man..." Space Marines may be brainwashed and indoctrinated up to their ears but they can still Choose to rebel, numerous Chaos Marine chapters being a proof of that. While the Tau are Physically incapable of defying the Ethereals and will follow every order without hesitation even if it means putting a plasma bolts into their own skulls. If anything it's two slaves arguing who is less of a slave.
Honestly, I think Gorgutz was the one redeeming takeaway from this game. His OG model was just a stand-in for Ghazghul and I think his DoW3 glowup was a perfecr fit for him. Gorgutz is a schemer, a rare and dangerous ork who uses underhanded tactics. The mere thought of Gorgut using his grappling arm to get further into battle, swinging it around to block some incoming fire and hit 'umies. Hell, I just wanted him to have a Sync kill of him grappling a Space Marine just to spin him around and slam him into the ground or just yeet him 50 meters away. And it is fitting since every Gorgutz fight has him retreating to fight another day, meaning a grappling claw for escaping is the perfect tool. Sadly, I require a 3d printer for this sculpt because GW won't do it themselves and take my money for a Forgeworld Gorgutz and Bludflagg
I really hate how all the units in a squad move in the same way at the same time when they get knocked back, I loved how in dow 1 when squads got hit by artillery they got scattered every which way like a bunch of bowling pins. Having all the units synced like that with no variation just looks awful.
Where there is cringe there is Angry Joe, this is a universal fact Also imagine my shock that DOWIII turned out to be a nightmare what with all those dangerhairs.
@@DerOrk This is the latest comment we got from them. (I'm reading an awful lot heeee, although not everything, all the time, but as much as I can! Can't say much about the project however cos like... we haven't got much to say quite yet. We CANT WAIT to say more, honestly, it's going to be amazeballs to lift the lid on the game, it's just we want to get stuff more in stone before we say what the craic is, as stuff is no doubt still pretty written in pencil and not permanent ink) So as far as I'm aware I don't know if we will get anything at the end of the year. Perhaps a tease of gameplay with the xbox launch.
Good video. The points were pretty spot on, though I do want to point out one thing about the campaign that I feel lots of people either don't notice, or just don't point out. The base story is literally a worse version of Vanilla DOW 1's story. Let's run through some things both have in common. Both start off with an Ork invasion of an Imperium planet with the Blood Ravens coming in to help out. Both have an Inquisitor that is reluctant to help Angelos. Both feature some sort of artifact that some factions are chasing after. Both feature a planet with a sealed Daemon that is released thanks to sacrifices from all of the battles. Both have a team-up between Xeno forces and Space Marines in the final level. It's the extra details filling the blanks between is what makes DOW 3's story more bland and annoying.
Maybe that's why it felt so stale as it was just a revamp of the first game story. I'm glad you pointed that out as it definitely is something to miss when playing. I guess they were hoping for a lot of new players to come to the game so having a similar story would not be much of a problem but they missed out on their key player base who were the ones who played the first game.
Agreed, agreed, agreed. I'm not into multiplayer and enjoy my lore so I would have bought DOW 3 on a budget if it did a new story buuuut... nope, same as DoW 1 again. It just feels so formulaic and spawned out rather than crafted. Is that REALLY all they can do with the 40K universe? Why not have Angelos as chapter master and directing a new commander? Why have Gorgutz demoted back to square one? Why have a daemon as the end boss yet again? What a waste.
@@N3r0ThlHeavyMetal Do not want to be rude, but while you are right that some of those points can be applied to plenty of other 40k games, There are no others that i know of that follow all of them in that exact order in one story. Dawn of War 2, with all of its expansions, would meet at least 4 and maybe 5 if looked at the right way, but comparing 3 campaigns to 1 isn't that fair. When doing just vanilla Dawn of War vs any of the single Dawn of War 2 campaigns, you'd have at most 2 shared points, which I feel is more acceptable. Space Marine also only shares 2 of the points, the 1st and 3rd to be precise. It does have an inquisitor in the game, but Drogan, for story reasons, mostly assists Titus' with recovering the mcguffin of the game. There's also no sealed daemon whatsoever and there's no team-up between the Orks(the only xenos in the game) and Space Marines, especially since Titus kills the Warboss. If you only meant that some of those points can be applied to other 40k games, then yes, I totally agree and apologize. If there is one thing I feel, it's that story writers for 40k games can be a little stagnant in their main plots.
The sergeant in Dawn of War 3 intro: > Is too much of a wuss that he has a filthy xeno speak for him > Proceeds to kneel down with his battle brothers like the virgins they are The sergeant in Dawn of War 1 intro: > "AAAAAAARGH!" > Charges the filthy xenos with his battle brothers in the name of the God-Emperor
Massive disappointment. I didn't like DoW II either, though I appreciated it brought something new to the franchise. Ultimately, I just wanted DoW I with better graphics and a new campaign.
Personally I liked Dow 2, many improvements like auto cover, dynamic movement and heroes abilities made it very fun. Just not to the scale that I would prefer, it was a low intensity 40k battle as opposed to the grand clashes we often read about in books. If you could combine those things and then mesh that with DoW 1 you would have a best seller. But no lets go with flashy lights and magic bullshit attempting to cash grab on the MOBA scene.
I liked the realism and graphics of Dawn of War 2 but did not like the smaller scale, hated that weird Hero-focused RPG campaign where you only had 4 squads in a Match and I didnt like the factions except tyrannids. No Astra Militarum, no Tau(my favs) and no Necrons. The only 3 factions I play in Dawn of War 1. The smaller scale and basebuilding in multiplayer crushed it. But yes I wanted Dawn of war 1 wirh dawn of war 2 Graphics and a campaign like Dark Crusade
Base building is a good feature on wide open maps (strategy) Lanes are a good feature for concentrated management (tactics) I'm not saying you can't combine the two, but you need to have a humble approach and respect that open massive battles are the highlight dawn of war and fast paced tactics are the highlight of dawn of war 2. Encumber the player with base building you water down the tactics and take away the large massive open range maps you take away the strategic options that come with having a massive army. I liked the concept of CnC generals to give you ample freedom in using abilities not being dependant on where your commander is. That way you can have the large open maps and not rock paper scissors hoping your cannon fodder doesn't run into their commander or have your hands tied cause your commander is bumbling around somewhere else
Great review but honestly your "reaction" to the advertisement was almost as cringy. However I'll forgive you because of that Sonic joke, that one had me rolling.
Got to ask though. How is your experience on the Ultimate Apocalypse mod? Asking as one who never played Dawn of War in my entire life, but know W40k a little bit.
It has a lot of things added onto it, especially if you compare it to just vanilla, the factions . Being able to build crazy defenses as the Guard is fun, the factions all get custom super units and I never had trouble running it even if my PC is a bit on the old side. TL:DR - Must get, no reason to go back to vanilla Soulstorm after.
The only time i played this game was when Steam made it free to play for 3 days about what 2 years ago some 6-8 months after the game was released. Man, not even free to play was worth it just too play the campaign it was such a chore to sit trough only thing that came to my head was "I waited 6 years after Retribution for this"
@@ironeleven Campaign personal opinion 5/10 the story pretty good, the execution on gameplay uhhhh!!!! If they were planning to make a Moba they should not have titled it Dawn of War. They should have just made a separate game entirely not experiment. I don't think we will see a DOW 4 for a while maybe even a decade or so. Jesus one thing DOW3 succeeded is giving flashbacks too how EA mutilated the C&C franchise with Command & Conquer 4: Tiberian Twilight Another RTS i ones loved.
@@silentecho92able I will say I enjoyed the final boss encounter because it felt like they took DoW II's boss design and polished it up a bit, and I didn't have an army to micromanage on top of the heroes.
I actually bought it on a steam sale earlier this year, I had made a campaing marathon of the first DoW game at its expansions all the way to retribution and was feeling nostalgic, I just wanted to see how it all ended. It simply didnt end. Just left on a cliffhanger...
As someone who grew up with the 2nd edition 40k art and models i kinda loved the more saturated colours on the unit models. Now that doesn't excuse bad fx design causing confusion in big battles. A grimdark setting doesn't have to have a grimdark colour palette
It's more of an issue with contrasts, the ground matched the color of the units! So it all blended in. You could have had the high saturation and still had it look good. Doom Eternal is an example of where it's done right!
THANK YOU. Dear God, I've been waiting for someone to do a video like this for ages. I played the beta for 30 minutes and was seething the entire afternoon. This game doesn't deserve to be buried; it deserves to be ridiculed until the end of days.
@@SIGNOR-G Honestly, pretty similar story with DoW3. EE1 and EE2 both had their fans (I was always an EE2 guy), but EE3 managed to be different from both, far more shallow, and with 'brighter' graphics...which resulted in people staying away from it in droves. I doubt that there will ever be an EE4, although I can hold out hope that WH40K's popularity will lead to a DoW4 someday.
Same of Age of Empires 3: went for the shiny graphics and physics environments. Bombed. Then AoE4 was a mobile game. A MOBILE GAME. And now the AoE franchise assets have been sold and gutted and its now one of those mobile City building games where you click on timers and battles are waged on a behind the scenes spreadsheet. I think its called Age of war or war age or some other hard mobile game name.
@@HudsonAO8TQ1 Age of Empires is getting a 4th game, developed by Relic and published by Microsoft. It's gonna be based in the Medieval era yet again though, but we'll see how it turns out.
@@rixille yeah thats good news, fingers crossed. It still triggers me that AoE became a mobile game with microtransactions. I mean...$90 to buy the "ultra lord hero pack" or whatever. You could get 2 AAA games for that or half a dozen absolute classics.
Dawn of war 1 is still one of my favorite games of all time, with the some amazing mods that breathe new life into it. I tried playing Dawn of war 2 but could only manage about 30 mins. Was hoping Dawn of war 3 was going to save the series and to be honest this was such a dissapointment.
@@ghosttankcommander5397 I wouldn't trust a company that created DoW3 to do a Remaster of DoW1. Edit: Only because of what happened with Warcraft III: Refunded
It's a pretty nonsensical way to deploy a knight yeah, not even something of that scale would make it through an unprotected drop from that high. Most likely a similar method used by the UNSC when they deployed scorpion tanks down to the lesser arms surface in H3, or coffin shops are equipped with imperial knight sized drop pods too same way they are with actual full on titans
Man you had me. You SO had me, I was agreeing with everything, I was there with you. I never played the game though, I never bought it, so I couldn't agree with the mechanics or what I thought did or didn't work, I just watched and listened to you breaking them down, and I was thinking 'ah, I see', and learning. And I was right there with you until minute 34:20. And... No. You think people should've done more to support the game? No! No, I didn't buy it because I didn't want to reward this. I LOVE 40k, I love 40k games, and when I saw this and read the early reviews, I realised that I this was a seemingly deliberate step in the wrong direction. If I and ten thousand others had just blindly bought in then our complaints wouldn't matter! It'd be like people protesting Apple's predatory practises, Sent from my Iphone It was the developers every step of the way who sank the game, so I don't think it's fair to blame the player base for not supporting this trainwreck. Let the people who loved this game and direction - and there are loads of them - lament the lack of support, but ultimately 40k RTS games have a pretty huge player-base, it's not on us if Relic and others shoot themselves in the foot trying to find us.
they didnt listen and continue ... its going to be like that... so many sheep ... to be smarter is to be more responsible... but when people can be control ... when they have nothing else to follow... if i am the smartest person and everybody follow... who is going to punish me when i make the rules?
@Sir Mordred Someone didn't pay attention to the video, he literally said that while he *originally* had that opinion, after doing all the research for the video he concluded that it was Relic's fault. So you're still agreeing with everything he said.
The way this video is put together is pure gold, the combination of seriousness and humour is brilliant! The “It’s a hard not life for us”. Song made me laugh so hard
The question of whose fault it is, when a game fails, is a tricky one: For example, WH40k Eternal Crusade. Eternal Crusade is not bad, but........ - The devs made HUGE promises of units and game-modes (e.g. a campaign...) which would be added post-launch. Then after launch, with MAJOR content missing and the game still being nothing but a generic lobby-shooter, the number of devs was reduced from 100 to 2. - Then a vicious cycle set in: The devs kept lying to the community (especially the lead developer), players left, wait-times in the lobby increased, more players left, the maps that required huge amounts of players to work got deleted, players left, the devs stopped talking to the community entirely, players left... Nowadays, Eternal Crusade only has enough active players world-wide for one SINGLE lobby-shooter match at a time... if you are lucky.
Seems like you should make the fall of eternal crusade video. I would do it myself but I feel I don't know enough to make it. I did play eternal crusade but I was not around for the start of it and have only heard bits here and there about why it failed.
@@PonchaYT There are so many videos about Eternal Crusade out there. Basically, the story goes like this: * The first lead developer, Miguel Caron, promised an open-world WH40k game with huge battles. Turned out that the studio didn't have the budget for that. Miguel left and in came Nathan Richardsson. * Nathan promised a 3rd-person shooter MMORPG with an ongoing campaign in the background, controlled by the devs and narrated and supplemented by novels written by the famed Graham McNeill. Oh, and it would come to PC, Xbox and Playstation. * The first item that was dropped was the bikes/trikes, because the devs had no idea how to incorporate those into the gameplay. * Up next, during open Beta, the devs made maps that would be unplayable as a Walker, effectively killing off Dreadnoughts before they even had a chance to enter the game. * Then the devs decided to waste precious time and money on using an outdate game-engine and harebrained ideas like pico-servers. * Then, while all was crumbling around them and the devs tried to make do with what little they had, Nathan promised Terminators and Titans to the player-community. He said that implementing Terminators would take 3 months and that it would be the first update after launch. * Time goes on. Very little gets done. The publisher Bandai pressures Behaviour Interactive into finally releasing the game so that FINALLY some money can get made. * The game launches. No campaign-system whatsoever, no background-story, no novels, no Terminators. (And a ridiculously OP Eldar grav-tank.) Behaviour immediately pulls out all staff from Eternal crusade, except for 20 devs, and puts them into another game. * The months roll around and Nathan silently scratches the Terminators, instead promising ever-more complicated campaign-systems. (He admits that he ACTUALLY meant that Terminators take 3 months to develop if he has 100 devs at hand doing NOTHING else. Yes, the lead-developer thought that not only would he get to keep his full team after launch, he also thought that there would be NO bug-fixes and patches after game-launch.) * The months roll around and Nathan silently scratches the campaign-system. * At about this point, the number of devs is reduced from 20 to 2 devs + a PR guy. * The months roll around and Nathan gracefully offers to the player-community to finish the game for Behaviour Interactive for free. You work for Behaviour Interactive for free and Behaviour Interactive owns the full copyright of anything you make for EC. There will be a modding-workshop! We get to design the campaign-system! We get to invent characters and narrative and background-story of Eternal Crusade and get to write the lore! * The months roll around and it turns out that all the while Nathan promised the player-community to give the game into their hands, while he promised that he was preparing EC for a great rebirth in the background, he had been applying for another job and secretly left. * At about this point, the devs finally manage to solve the OP problem with the Eldar grav-tank. * The devs stop talking to the player-community entirely. The forum goes dead, as the player-community moves to Discord. Then the devs decide to come back and join the player-community on Discord. * The devs add some crappy maps and some cosmetics nobody cares about to the game. * Then some hackers find a way around the anti-cheating software of EC and nowadays the game is so overrun with blatant cheaters that it's barely playable. * Nowadays, the active player-base is 200 people over the course of 24 hours. You need 30 people at a time for a full match. If you don't schedule your play-time to coincide with the clans, your wait-time between matches ranges from 30 minutes to infinity. Just playing the game for fun anytime you want, that has become impossible.
Heh yeah.. Few friends and I had the $200 founders edition or whatever it was to try and help out the team! We never had anything to really spend the currency on for the entire lifetime of the game, and the cost of the things that WERE On the shop made it so like... a single headpiece was like 5 dollars for barely any change, they milked their founders as quickly as possible. Outside of that, the complete unoptimization and the lack of balance was just awful. Such a shame, I really wanted that game to work... but I guess we all helped fund Dead by Daylight? *siiiighs*
They wanted to unite DoW 1 and DoW 2 players. They succeeded. Everyone hates this game.
underrated comment my friend. lmao
+ The last Dow 3 fans after their shut down the support of Dow 3
because the dow community was so unfair and ungrateful to the developers.
@@the_holy_trumpf9024 in our defense there was not much to be grateful about.
@@the_holy_trumpf9024 Because it was not DOW. All they had to do was make it like DOW1 with graphics and cover mechanics of DOW2. So easy and they failed so hard.
i mean if they really wanted to do that then now we would have a great game
instead we have a sort of starcraft rip off
The fact that the Blood Ravens can do flips in terminator armor just proves they are THE EMPEROR'S FINEST.
Next they'll juggle bolters and chainsaws
I don't know what you're talkin about, they will always be sons of Magnus the red and use their psychic abilities to do gymnastics like ballerinas in power armour as they go about being kleptomaniacs as always
Maybe they read too much of Book of Tzeentch...
LOL
Me who reads the lore seeing that almost made me retarded, i mean it's possible in regular power armor and maybe easy for an assault marine with a jump pack but not a big fucking terminator
-Why are there no sync kills
-Why are the super soldier marines squishy?
-Why is angelos hulk now?
-Why is the graphics cartoony?
-Where are the other factions?
-Why are they trying to be a moba
i can go on forever.
The graphics aren't cartoony bro. The visuals are among the few things that were good about this game.
Warhammer 40k's already quite cartoony to begin with. Have you seen the models?
Why are there no sync kills? Because sync kills add something to a good game, and nothing to a bad one
Why are the super soldiers marines squishy? Because they have to be in an RTS Because your basic infantry has to die in mass.
Why is angelos hulk? He's not he just has a single dumb abylity.
Why is the graphics cartoony? They aren't.
Where are the other factions? It had no support post launch and only dropped with one less faction then the other games.
Why were they trying to be a moba? they weren't Mobas would give you snow ball mechanics and have it so the most important thing in the game is making sure your elite units level up and take the advantage when your enemy is occupied or dead. The reason people call it a MOBA is because they were popular for a little while and people love buzzwords
Why didn't they use the hero system for a last stand game-mode?
I'm literally crying here, The last stand mode in DoW2 was amazing with friends even with it's PITIFUL amount of content, seriously, TWO MAPS, and NO alternative bosses or anything...
I'd seriously buy a Warhammer 40k game instantly if it was just a fleshed out version of the last stand mode!
@@calebbarnhouse496 You're one of those people who argue for the sake of arguing.
"its a complete caos"
Except, there is no chaos faction.
Being an heretic myself this was the biggest dealbreaker for me...
@@oberstdeutschland8704 may grandfather nurgle smile upon you brothers
Yeah such high hopes. They never brought the necrons in either. Eternal sadness
@@ffdgasfdasgjdfgf Nurgle and Khorne are the best
It was all Tzeentch's plan, to kill the whole DoW franchise.
I finally understand the TTS joke where Magnus Calgar don't require a jetpack because he is wearing terminator armor then summersaults away.
Haha me too now! It never clicked
Can you give me a link to the video where to joke originated
The joke actually originates from the terrible C.S. Goto novel series on The Blood Ravens.
@@iamablacksabbathsong9765 It's from Calgar comic where he somehow manages to get on top of a Lord of Skull and rips its head off. It's the very last page, too.
All that time I thought it's just Calgar being aware of how Warp works and using it for fun/op ultrablueberries being op, and it turned out to be a reference to some existing works.
TTS is beautiful.
The utter weight of the drop pod in the dow 2 mission intros was insane. It was from orbit and slammed into the ground with spite. The dow 3 drop pods look like empty chinese takeout boxes dropped off the table
I wish this was reddit I'd throw you an award
Nothing in DoW 3 has any weight to it.
@@coadacatalin4510 Especially the Artillery and Artillery blasts
Even the drop pods hate xenos scum
Same with the old DoW artillery blasts. Basilisks are so satisfying.
"3..2...1... FIRE!!"
And then everything explodes.
Another note for Relic: Most Dawn of War fans are not interested in playing an Esports game.
I would argue DoW 1 would be a fantastic esports. Less technical and more visceral. See the other team hero unit get eaten by a khornate demon and sell t-shirts of that moment.
People could get invested in the spectacle easier in DoW than in 3. Heck, it's even fairly easy to see what's going on in UA mod videos, let alone one with a spectator camera zooming in on the carnage.
@@ElGreco15 honestly I’d actually watch if they made UA an esport
@@ElGreco15 That is true, DoW is a brilliant game to watch unfold even when you aren't playing. I used to spend hours watching my Dad play when I was little.
blame sega for that
@@ElGreco15 They'd need to actually balance the factions first, though. Otherwise expect lots of Eldar mirror matches.
Voice Acting in Dawn of War 3 teaser: "What's he gonna do? Loan him a book?"
Voice Acting in Dawn of War 1: *"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."*
The dow1 quote is so smart.
@@WEMBLEYNE Here a translation of a German voiceline (btw they were epic too) Scriptor:"There is no such thing as innocence, there are only different facettes of guilt."
@@Schwachsinnn
It was in the English version as well, I imagine all lines cross over. Though it was "There is no such thing as innocence, only varying degrees of guilt" in English.
@@cooljim1376 Nice then I actually got pretty close to the original voice line with my freely translated one. I also believe that almost all lines cross over, yet I just don't know the English ones as well. I didn't want to share a wrong voiceline, that's why I pointed out that I only know the German one. :)
@@Schwachsinnn I also know mosty only the german voicelines, but it instantly klicked when i read your translation. "friendship is magic and magic is heresy"
I personally loved the killing animations I'm dawn of war. Especially how mech units pick up smaller enemies, maim them, then chuck them like trash. It really showed how powerful and dangerous the mechs are in the battlefield and makes you rethink your choices when an oversized trash can bisects your assault marines
Sad, we deserved better. The RTS genre deserved better...
I loved Dawn of War 2. Dawn of War 3 is like a punch in the gut to fans.
Rylanor deserves better too. Better than all of us.
Its a good rts game, the fandom is toxic, fact
@@moonyfoxy876 In your dreams.
@@CommanderBohn The community is just nitpicking these details that only 40k fans would get, understandable, but its definitely scaring new comers
Gotta say i disagree with the whole 'we should have supported it more' thing at the end. If a business makes this many mistakes and fundamentally did not get it's target audience at all it shows a lack of basic marketing principles or even game direction. Dawn of war 3 deserved to fail due to inept development, bad business practise and the game at it's core was completely different to anything before it. From the gameplay to the story and everything inbetween.
Your just mad because they tried to do something different.
@@marcushansen2807 The problem was that they didn't do something different. they tried to copy MOBA's and alienated DOW 1 fans and DOW 2 fans at the same time. If a company releases a product that doesn't attract customers then shocker, they made a bad product.
So what? They made it different enough to stand out from the likes of starcraft, what with the the more focus on hero and special units rather than the foot soldiers.
Besides, series like, Breath of the Wild, Call of Duty WWII, and God of War (For the PS4) are rehashed from games like Horizon Zero Dawn, Any Call of Duty game, and Dark Souls respectively, and people still flock to and love them. I know this because I actually own these games and can say without a shadow of a doubt that they are just that; rehashes.
@@marcushansen2807 Well if you want to talk about real experiences DOW 3 didn't attract any customers and was abandoned by relic months after launch so clearly it didn't do enough to differentiate itself.
@@matminecraft01 That's just reality of offering something you didn't make people want. RTS games aren't the center of the market. The biggest reason this game fell to the wayside is because of one thing; timing. Think about this; what genre was the "meta" (for lack of a better term) in 2017? I am asking BTW.
The first 40k content I can remember was when my mom bought Space Hulk for my Panasonic 3D0, because in her words, "you like Alien, and freaky space shit, so I thought you might like this. It looks kinda wierd and cool". I remember it being such a novel thing to see what looked like space-templars in power armor. I had to know more! And it was before the internet and wikipedia was a thing, so all I could do was ask anyone who might know more. I became obsessed with reading any material I could find about this strange universe. Not a single thing about the wold of 40k is good - its all dark, hopeless, and otherworldly. It's that history of nothing but violence and hardship that makes it stand apart from other fictional worlds. It takes everything I love about dark sci-fi and dark fantasy, mixes them together, then turns it upside down and shoves a pint of human history up its ass. Seeing Dawn of War sacrifice the grit and authenticity in order to pull in people who dont know what 40k is, its just such a fucked up move. This entire universe and all its lore is a god damned work of art, and that work of art includes GRIT and DIRT and BATTLE SCARS !!!
emotional rant over.
"shoves a pint of human history up its ass" lol this. Adds to that mystery. One of the best examples of this to me was in the audiobook The Sigillite, set during the heresy where they are recovering an artifact from the traitors that turns out to be the rosetta stone. Its really weird and make me sad for the future that they are pulling this shit now that warhammer has become "popular". Are we already loosing the grim dark ? :(
Dawn of War 1: Standard RTS
Dawn of War 2: Company of Hero
Dawn of War 3: Bad union of Moba/and halo wars.
Standard RTS are dead. Not even blizzard servers have players.
Anyone emulating Starcraft is miliking a dead cow.
Starcraft/Warcraft are kept alive like Elvis, for prestige and legacy only. Blizzard makes bank with mobiles for chinese and hearthstone and wow
@@criztu well we still have Age of Empire
@@astingilbert582 how many players? 2000?
@@criztu 25000 player or more on age of empire 2, then we have the old Red alert, Generals. Soo yeah RTS are not dead, how can you say things without even looking around
@@astingilbert582 they all dead! dead dead dead!
Wait. The final boss is just a Daemon? Not even a named one. Just... The Daemon. Cool. Fucking fantastic.
That is best summary of DOW3 I have seen
couldnt even be a new minor greater daemon like the final boss of the action SPACE MARINE slasher game agasint orks
Mad daemons
I want a daemon prince or some shit just like Space Marine game
It could have been the daemon from DOW1 finally facing off against Angelos and Macha after Decades if not centuries but because DOW3 was what it was of course its just some random daemon because DOTA and LOL hell even DOTA and LOL named its Giant Boss enemy and has a more consistant Visual tone i.e Cartoony so comarong it to those 2, its not even a contest.
"Interviewer": What's the deal with those space marines?
Poncha: wHAt iS ThE DEaL wITh tHosE SpACe maRiNEs?!
This video, my most watched cringe fest. I do laugh still to it but god I went over the top.
if terminators can do a flip in the air then I wanna see a dreadnought do a little combat roll it would look funny
The Blood Raven did so something better. FLYING DREADNOUGHTS. Yes, it is as stupid as it sound.
@@florians9949 its not flying! Its falling with style!
Sounds like something they'd do in Space Marine 2
@@florians9949considering there is a short story of a loyalist word bearer dreadnought glowing like a god and flying around like a fucking thunder hawk…I see no issue.
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion that was once, coming from a chaos marin. The flying dreadnougth are rather common.
The moment I listened to that one dev on this game, in that one interview. And stood there and said with no remorse in his voice: "we removed characters executing one another, because it halts the flow... ". I knew this was going to be a mess!
The trailer had me hyped too so, the fall was painful!
Translation: doesn't work in esports :)))))
@mr oko Blizzard made their money with a regular RTS that has a ton of BS mechanics, overpowered units and cheesy strategies, balanced for E-Sports it isn't, but that's why it's so popular for E-Sports. CSGO used to be the same way until they nerfed everything because the pros were crying, even though the primary reason E-Sports games are fun are because of how ridiculous they are. I don't think they knew what they were doing.
@@AParticularlyConcernedCitizen That is not the primary reason e-sports are popular lmao what are you sniffing
@@chameleonedm If you could read, you would see that I didn't even mention their popularity.
An important thing to understand that so many improvements of DOW3 were driven by the community. Posts providing advice and improvements were prolific. All the while moderators of DOW3 forums were abusive, angry and condescending towards the fan base. Improvements that were adopted from the community were not the same as advised and by the end of the development some members of the community felt they had made a major investment of time in assisting in the development of the game. Just prior to release all the changes the community had advised were deleted and negative comments were deleted. Suddenly the developers wanted to pretend the ideas were all there's. Many members of the community retained hostility from this and their failure to implement obviously beneficial, and perceived financially worthwhile changes on the games release. Added this to many lies by the company and its representatives and some community members being banned for overly criticising the game, and defending themselves against abusive moderators and this game never had the support they could have. Also its worth noting that the community had to fight to ensure you could even have customisable army colors for characters and super heavies in multiplayer because they intended to sell only preformed color schemes.
Also the payed-for review from PC Gamer that stated that this was the game the 40k community had been asked for was widely mocked especially considering this was during the alpha stage (and that stage the game looked awful). The community said the graphics needed improvement, and they were told it needed to appear that way to reduce latency in multiplayer or something. Eventually however the community was so aggressive in their commitment to force changes that the developers capitulated and improved the graphics.
Having no sync kills in a DoW game is like having no fatalities in Mortal Kombat. Wth were the devs thinking???
Next they'll release Space Marine 2 with all the weapons removed so Titus can only kill the Orks by jumping on them like Mario jumping on the Goombas.
@@TacSon Don't give them ideas!
They weren’t thinking 😏
I agree that is a problem but thats like a needle in a needle stack of problems
-Why are the marines squishy?
-Why is angelos hulk now?
-Why is the graphics cartoony?
i can go on forever.
@@sonofsanguinius176 All of these including the OP can be answered by 1 simple truth.
They wanted an E-sports scene.
Problem is that E-sports people and casual players tend to want different things.
Btw remember Angelo's wasn't just wearing power armor. He was inside a fucking terminator suit! He flipped on a damn terminator suit.
We must move with the utmost speed for this mission. However as I am in terminator armour I do not need a jump pack.
but that doesn't mak
SHUTIT SHITBOOT I DO WHAT I LIKE AND I LIKE WHAT I DO
*Scared guardsman noises*
I can except it with powerarmor.... and some jumpjets. But tumble-flips in FUCKING terminator armor!? yeah HELL no, that's DUMB.
Actually that happened in a novel, one by cs gotto a.k.a the worst warhammer writer ever
Angelos just have a good gaming cape
@@greeninja5991 Ian Watson wrote more books than inquisitor?
Man, I remember Totalbiscuit's video on this game being disappointing when it was new.
Now I'm watching a Poncha video on how the game died. The circle of life.
good i miss biscuit. he was gone to soon
DoW III only made his condition worse.
He already had terminal cancer, Relic somehow made it worse.
Long may he reign
CNC Fans: "First time?"
But jokes aside, as an RTS fans, it is just sad seeing the sequel from a game we love, turn absolute downhill because too much greed.
At least EA decided to cave and released an enhanced edition of the first two CNC games
In this case I wouldn't even nessesarily say greed, just painful misjudgment of what people wanted, and an arguable refusal to hear those who attempted to say as much pre-release.
We all remember our first my guy. Even if it wasn't one of the big titles
@@silverkingisley6438 Wasn't this during the times where game developers turned around and said you don't like it don't buy our games. IE EA with battlefield...
and afew others said you Gamers don't know what you want we know best.
Then they all had *surprised Pikachu faces* when their games bombed and had no money...
@@bouldy2 I think this was a little before that whole mess, but yea, same general time period.
Thankfully Relic didn't go *that* full in with it, they more just seemed to "not hear" any of their early critics, regardless of how popular or vocal (see Arch) and plowed full steam ahead.
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My main complaint in the art department was how the maps looked.
It all felt like a carefully crafted stage, not an organic location. The maps in the first game, although low res, kept the ilusion for me, somehow. The maps in 2 reminded me a lot of Company of Heroes, the maps there actually lokked like normal places where it just so happens that world ending battle takes place. The maps in 3 felt like battle arenas. The ground was too perfect, no building or ruin was accessible, no evident way from where the forces on the field might have come. Just a video game arena. It totally broke my illusion.
DoW2 Maps are terrible but the Addons had some great one.
I agree! That is spot on!
i got 1400 hours on Dawn of War 2. I unlocked basically everything there was to unlock for every faction. Completed the campaigns multiple times. I loved this game so much. I think i played this more than Dawn of War 1 which i loved equally, but the strategy and the tactics you could set with your troops in DoW2 was really great, the cover system worked, everything worked. Sure, some units were more powerful than others but you could find a way; when it comes to multiplayer, the community always found a way to counter this and that.
Then Dawn of War 3 released: played 3,9 hours. A RTS Warhammer 40k game that was boring: that's plain incredible and to my disappointment (and to others too) Dawn of War franchise died. I'm sorry but i'm not feeling responsible for DoW3 failure because it was not a good game, plain and simple.
What really, really stuck out to me was the voice acting. For example, the orcs had ZERO effects on them to make them sound deeper and...orcier. They just sounded like a guy trying to sound gruff and it was laughable. The Space Marine filters were also terrible. It feels as though this game was made by entirely new people who had not had a hand in the previous ones, perhaps in combination with CEO meddling and a toxic work environment where you can't question decisions.
something like, 'go woke'? I mean, fronting up with a blue haired woman, bringing in cringe beta males to promote. what could go wrong?
It's weird you mention the orks, because they had by far the best voice acting of the the factions. I'm pretty sure the same voice actors from DoWII did them and they sound great. The dude that voices a lot of the orks just straight up sounds like that - no "filters" are involved. The writing is classic ork stuff, too.
DoWIII space marines sounded fucking awful though, no argument there. Both the writing and delivery were utterly generic and did not capture the 40k feel at all.
@@flowinsounds "going woke" was never the problem, it's the shit game and design choices not that people other than white men exist.
I really noticed this as welll to be honest. I hated that the orks didn’t sound guttural. Play space marine, the ork warboss/orks in general sounded great in that game.
In this game they all sound like a bunch of Gretchen.
I find it funny, that Remliez from 40k theories can create much better filtering and "astarterizing" his voices than a AAA-Developer with a multi million budget.
Says a lot about the game.
"A man who knows his wraithlords from his wraithguard"
The advertisement sounds like it was written by a wife who has no clue what warhammer is but pretends to listen to your lore rants to be nice.
that's a good woman right there
Pretty much my bf in a shellnut
I think the problem is it sounds too much like an advertisement, "we know our apples from our oranges, buy 1 get 1 free only while stocks last", sounds like that really.
Definitely a keeper!
It's just sad, man. DOW franchise used to be so good. Relic used to be among the best RTS game designers out there.
I always wonder where the stupidity comes in. Probably the new generation of adult children coming into the field.
I remember going to a Q&A for this at PC Gamer and everyone was asking "Will the game have..." and the response was always "no but maybe it will be added in the future". You could tell even they weren't even confident about it.
Davian Thule: LOOK HOW THEY MASSACRED MY BOY.
Having only 3 factions playable in a 40k game is CRIMINAL
Sick of hearing this cry. It's literally one less than what the other ones released with.
@@JM-dc5rn ok so where are the extension that brought more faction like the other 2 games ?
I feel like going with a cartoony, generic look in order to widen the playerbase was a HUGE miscalculation. One of the reasons why, IMO, DoW1 and DoW2 were succesful was that they both had a pretty unique feel and style that drew people into the games, into the lore, some even into the hobby. DOW3 looks almost insultingly generic, I can't imagine I would develop an interest for this game if it was the first title in the series I came across.
The cartoony, generic look was just one symptom, while "widening the playerbase", or just plain greed, was the disease.
- The pivot into a more moba-style
- The flashing-oh-shiny-art direction
- They was, way, WAAAAYYY smaller battles sizes/unit numbers
- The way, way, WAAAAYYY smaller map with the overpronounced mini map
- Terminator-Summer-Saults
- The mega-cringy marketing/interviews (srsly, NOONE at GW would have greenlit those ... you want on-spot 40k marketing? Paul Barnett ... while Funcom and EA royally fucked Age Of Reckoning up, Paul was THE marketing GOD for 40k-PC-gaming*)
This was done to go for the most promising trends, most intrigueing/fun looking experience and lowest skill floor as possible, to trigger more non-40k players while hoping to also trigger the MOBA-crowd.
Relic(management) wholeheartedly said: Fuck the licence, fuck the IP, fuck the fanbase, we want more sales, we don't fucking care, do it!
GW (probably) had way more of a hands-off apporach on DOW3 then they had with 1 and 2, as those were both very positively acclaimed games, which really furthered the IP itself, so they probably said "Okay, the usual guys are doing it, we don't have to sit on it all the time, they'll be fine" ... yeah ... they should have kept the leash way shorter :(
*EDIT: Thinking about it ... the Titan/'Robot' Joke of the voice actress ... Paul would have been - "Dude ... man-bro I just ... woah ... It's a fucking giant mega mech suite and I'm slashing ripping smashing everything it'S so whoahh and then due it's all explosion ans huge minigusn and ... I can't even ... woah!" and he would have sounded 100% legit, believable and geniunely enjoing himself *g*
While that actress sounded like, right before the clip was shot was told "Okay, say something you find funny"
Hey Games Workshop decided to put out a series of kids books where the villains were Nekrons....you know the faction that will literally skin people alive and wear their skin as a psychological weapon?
@@Laneous14 @Laneous14 it's more a subfaction infected by a disease/curse.
Normally necrons are a menace, but at least they have an objective instead of just wanting to carve your insides out and wear you 🤷🏼♂️
@@Oroberus And that's the thing, you can change things up like how Dawn of War 2 was different from 1, but there was a coherent vision aimed at creating a good 40k game. I mean, Relic made Spacemarine, too, which is an entirely different type of game.
Something in or around Relic drastically changed, at the very least somewhere higher up. It seems likely that THQ going bankrupt played a big part in the DoW III debacle. Also, considering a lot of other Warhammer titles, GW may not really have cared but I'm not sure when we started seeing all those throwaway titles exactly.
I do have to say I don't care at all that some voice actor or actress doesn't know much about the lore unless knowing more would have helped them do their job. Paul was a PR guy.. it's more the fault of Relic for piling on gaffe after gaffe. I'm sure if the rest of the early previews had been more positive most people would've let it slide. But the fact it was shown in the first place/done that way can be another indicator of flawed direction/management.She seemed to have enjoyed doing her part; it couldn't have been that hard to make it come across positively regardless of her familiarity with 40k.
Nah, graphics were the least of the issue except for certain units... i mean the graphics were serviceable.
The problem was that it was a downgrade even when compared to DOW1, not even talking about DOW2 when it comes to the tactical level of the game.
No cover system effectively. No chokepoints except for a few destructible covers.
No real unit customization, here dow1 was really amazing.
Campaign story was ok/ serviceable; but nothing compared to the original dow1 which had amazing arcline and plot.
Campagin pacing was sluggish, artificially slowed down.
Gabriel Angelos went from an icon to a celebrity basically. His new looks were terrible.
The hero system is a cheap after thought, nothing as good as previous.
Very limited and stale multiplayer, no reason to play it actually. Badly thought out multiplayer actually, dow1 was amazing there even if I admittedly liked dow2 more.
Only 3 factions on launch.
Hyped up, but the game provided us nothing.
Needless to continue. I guess well be without a good w40k rts for a while, but to put it shorted, Gladius makes a better job at both being a strategy game, and a w40k game, and that was made by an indie studio, unlike big daddy Relic,who many of us loved a lot, even tho lately they are on the weaker side. Gladius is turn based though.
Joe said it nicely: like a 3rd person action game. And thats the problem. The game wants to be everything, and ultimately ends up being mediocre at best i all aspects. The game is a jack-of-all, master of none. Hence its mediocrity. But after DoW1-2, COH1-2 (although admittedly CoH2 came with its own shortcomings and faults still unresolved to this day imho, when compared to CoH1), and Homeworld1-2, we would expect more from Relic than just a mediocre game.
"Where was the Agrax Earthshade and Nuln Oil?"
As an Ork player, this really cracked me up!
I feel like DW1 was made with a love for the table top, and DW2 was made for a love of the original and the table top. DW3 was made because people kept asking for it and a love of money.
no guard or chaos
was DOA
gave them feedback during the beta and got my account locked for saying so
Fascinating that, they gave you access to the beta so you could point out mistakes, and then they lock your account for pointing out mistakes. I bet they still wonder why their game failed.
@@EvilOverlord1662 I feel like I may have used some language in the survey but I was so fucking pissed what they were doing with the game I didn't care.
@@HerrmannThompson Often the best advice when giving feedback for a beta test run is brutal, no beating about the bush, blunt as an atom bomb kind of feedback...If you dance around the issues when giving feedback 90% of the time it will go unheeded and things won't get changed or even fixed.
"What is he going to do, loan him a book?" The cringe is strong with this one
I don't blame Simon for having to read that. I wish they just let him talk as normal in the interview.
@@PonchaYT True, also I wasn't expecting you to replied to my comment :D Also great video! Love when youtubers explain how they ruined a sequel or a Prequel of a beloved franchise. I feel like it's possible for them to make the best Dawn of War game ever! But the sad thing is that they will never listen to their fans so it's kinda hopeless :/
@@LukeSWOA Yeah I think you are right. They won't listen to fans on this one. Maybe another publisher will but unlikely.
@@PonchaYT It's sad tho, so many games have been ruined like 40K. I know this game is massively difference but there was a game called Ratchet and Clank. It was such a good game and it was very unique compare to other games... but the new game is so terrible and completely lost what made it special in the first place. I think this is what exactly happened with DOW3 and it kills me to see games not reaching their full potential you have no idea
@@LukeSWOA I've never played ratchet and clank but I saw gameplay of the new one. I thought the gameplay looked okay. Did they differ a lot from the original?
"I don't want to fight a deamon with three heroes, I want to attack a deamon with the might of the astartes".
And here's where we see a core difference in design philosophy between Dow1/DoW2 and DoW3. In DoW1 and 2, everything was about the armies. Sure, there were heroes but you never relied on them to carry your army by themselves. DoW1's campaign ends with you bringing everything you can to bear on a Deamon Prince: Predators, Lands Rairders, Terminators, Dreadnoughts, the whole shebang, all to kill a single powerful enemy. Even DoW2 (specifically DoW2 Retribution), with it's focus on heroes, makes you use every unit at your chosen factions disposal to kick Kyras' teeth in at the end of the campaign. You can have Baneblades, Wraithlords, Stormtroopers, Predators, Ork Nobs, the kitchen sink etc.
"There were no women playing this game, it's warhammer"
And then I scream in agony as I am erased from the timeline
the ordo chronos is investigating the matter
It was a ploy of Tzeentch all along.
Sorry, but you're a man now.
@@PvtMartin78 Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
@@chimericArdor it's ok you can pee standing up...
"ork is the ultimate horde faction"
*Flips with Tyranid claws
Yeah, I'm an Ork player and definitely: *Laughs in Cadian / Hormaguant chittering intensifies.*
FEAR ME ! BUT FOLLOW !
@@tame_stranger9713 no, there are more Orkz than Cadians
this is da POWAAH OF DA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
Have you heard of the Imperial Guard? Try to outhorde that one!
The animation in dow1 is what reeled me in
each unit having both a unique death and kill animation for each factions units were amazing
I just do not get the notion that we the playerbase "killed the game" it is not our fault if we do not enjoy the game and I think no matter what perspective you have you can at least admit DOW 3 had major issues at hand. The ones to kill the game were the developers and publishers with their greedy mindset. this was just one big attempt at a cash grab and when they failed they cut support for it and attempted to pin it all on the playerbase. Kinda shitty and honestly if you look at relics other games it is not surprising Company of heroes 2 was a shit show and I do not look forward to Age of Empires 4.
Yeah mate, I've spoken to so many people about this topic and it's a really interesting one. Many people have different opinions. I would of changed so much in this video after talking to many people but of course it's too late to do that. My next video will be the fall of eternal crusade and it will be nothing like this.
@@PonchaYT I look forward to seeing more of your content. TH-cam's algorithm did a good for once and randomly recommended me your video.
@@EchoFoxtrotOmega I was so disappointed in this, it could of been so much better. This next one is going to something I put everything into.
I thought they canceled Age of Empires 4? I hope it is not like DOW 3. That would kill the franchise entirely.
Boy this comment sure aged well....
[Age of Empires 4 turned out to be one of their most acclaimed games]
Well the space marines moving fast actually does make sense from a lore perspective, it is said “nothing that big should move that fast” but they did look cooler in the older games
Space Marine in power armor is extremely mobile and resilient.
Terminators are when you trade speed for extreme resilience and rare teleporter systems.
Gabriel's mobility with Terminator armor could be explained that its the rare Tartaros Terminator armor, tho front flips are not possible, not even with Tartaros Terminator armor.
The reason back-flipping terminators exist is because of a writer who didn't want to write 40k story, but a action flick of his own, his other heresies include: Space Marines use Multilasers, mighty morphing Razor-Raiders, Chaos Dark Eldar of Slaanesh...
of course. but it looked so damn stupid in the game.
That's what i was wondering with that criticism, Space Marines (like real knights) actually have mobility with their armor.
Agreed.. BUT look at the movement of them.. fucking bunnyhopping across the map tippy toe
@@mathiasH9108 that’s why i said they looked cooler in the older games
My LGS has a staff member who was a painter for White Dwarf and worked with THQ as an art advisor for DoWI and DoWII. He left the jig after the release of DoWII and I'm confident with him gone they went off the deep end.
Honestly, did C.S Goto help design this game? Even the lascannons were more similar to multilasers than anything.
Well angelos is a giant and literally stoped a farseers spear throw with his bear hands in the game, so...
I haven’t played it, do Eldar ride on Russ tanks?
Seriously people need to stop mentioning it's name, it will rebuild itself in the warp and write another book. It was bad enough banishing it the first time.
At least there are no Grey Knights in this game. We all know who would have gotten involved then...
@@vsGoliath96 Our spiritual ligue...
Warcraft 3, one of the best RTS games with the hero system that *literally created the MOBA genre* is proof that DOW1 with the heroes of 2 could've worked great
It could've been the Warcraft 3 of Warhammer
Warcraft 3 was bad, had no players
@@celphalonred1999 imagine choosing to be objectively wrong
@@celphalonred1999 Dude, what are you even on about? Warcraft 3 is one of THE most celebrated games of ALL time (not talking about Reforged, of course), and even won Game of the year. I personally played it for many years, last time being around 2-3 years ago, and it still had +100k players playing EACH day, and people created new custom maps/campaigns on a regular basis. Not to mention that the competitive scene thrived for many years. How on earth can you possibly think that equals a low playerbase?
Can you name a SINGLE game that's had over +100k daily players after 15 years?
@@celphalonred1999 Im curious as to how you came to that conclusion? The game that quite literally created and launched mobas as a genre, helped launch WoW, one of the biggest MMO's of all time (yes i know its being beaten NOW but still) and the game that was so popular, it was remade nearly 2 decades later. Thats the game you think had no players? The game that broke Battlenet regularly because it couldnt handle the sheer number of players active, that game?
Do you just not know what youre talking about?
It's like the disparity between the campaigns in DOW2 versus the skirmish modes. The campaigns are boring, heavily linear slogs filled with slow engagements that are a tutorial for the skirmish mechanics, while the skirmish itself is fast, fun and requires constant attention. Dawn of War 3 is the campaign to Warcraft 3's skirmish.
I'm still not able to get over with that how exactly relic mass this up so devastatingly.
They produced many great RTS title.
I totally agree with you here, chief. Also huge respect for uploading such a long and detailed video even though you are relatively small. You definitely deserve more views!
Means a lot for you to say that, thanks. I'm not worried about views. I understand how TH-cam has to be played to get bigger, it's just a grind but ill get there. One day :)
I still can't get over the Ork buildings wobbling around. To me that looks so stupid.
They are having a rave.
They bounce around like those inflatable castles made for children to play in. Their tech is supposed to look ramshackle, not like a bouncy castle.
@@raisinade there are some static props in the background of the maps depicting ork constructs that actually look great. So sad.
Pretty much all the animations can fuck right off. Jesus christ this was painful to watch. I'm glad I never gave this one a shot.
My favourite thing about 40K is that half of the internet loves the setting and the vibe, but can’t ever commit because there are like 2 replayable games and playing the tabletop at a normal level takes tens if not hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars to get in the door, it’s an untapped goldmine waiting to burst in the mainstream
The main problem is that GW is a stagnant pig of a company. They never expand and never innovate. Completely stuck in their old ways. It’s mostly incompetent nepo babies I believe.
trowing money in to a medicore/flawed game in the hopes of them looking at the money made and say well we might work on the game some more and make it better is flawed concept. we are not talking about your local 1-2 guys shop making pottery, it's a corporation, you don't throw money at them for all the mtx and dlc's in the hopes they will improve the game, does not work that way
An old English quote that sums up this game: "He who pursues 2 hares (RTS, and MOBA groups respectively) will end up with neither."
Necrons showing up at the end to fight everyone is such a classic. First encountered it in the Ciaphas Cain books.
Gabe running looks exactly like a 100% copy of Arthas from W3
EXACTLY! at last im not the only one
Women don’t play Dawn of War III even though the first name is Dawn! I was going to buy it but change my mind, I wonder what Simon Miller (bald headed muscled British fella in the video) lol
I have to admit, your content quality is far above what I'd expect from a 118 year old
They wanted that sweet sweet MOBA dosh and lost it all trying to obtain it.
What’s worse about the interview in “Cringy advertisements” is that the interviewer is Simon Miller, and he’s actually really energetic and charismatic. I don’t know what was going on here though.
It’s so strange, going from his TH-cam channel, to this advertisement is like he’s just completely checked out
Simon Miller is a guy who seems like he'd be great to hang out with/be friends with but for whatever reason I can't stand him as a "content creator"
A guy I like... but don't want to watch. Weird combo...
Imperium of Men is using a lot of technology pieces that are centuries and sometimes even millennia old. Let's make it look like it just came out of factory and visited a paintshop on the way to the battle and got all the glossiest shit
That's crazy
Tbh with the stupid amounts of serfs space marines have you'd think they'd give them the occasional fresh coat of paint, it's not like the imperium doesn't love to waste resources on unimportant things while millions die without it
In the grim, dark future... apparently equipment maintenance isn't a thing.
One small detail that made me mad was the point capture animation it was so cool seeing space marine plant the flag and bow or Orks banging their choppas on the ground
Kaptin Bluddflagg: **sees Dawn of War 3**
(in disgusted voice): "Mista Nailbrain... it's time to tellypo'ta!"
Ah yes, the only hero and protagonist i will ever accept
Voice Acting in Dawn of War 3 teaser: "What's he gonna do? Loan him a book?"
Voice Acting in Dawn of War 1: Tau comm: "Do the dead of your soldiers mean so little to you... are you that mad?!"
Angelos: "Do the dead of yours mean so much to you, alien... are you that weak?"
-"The tau empire will respect your faith, human, if you would only see reason!"
-"Our faith is in the emperor of man, alien, to bow to you is heresy..."
-"Then you follow the path to destruction..."
-"Better destruction than bondage..."
-"So say the slave to the free man..."
DOW1 quotes are the kind that form your personality.
Also, nice video, but the cringy advertisement isnt as cringy as you doing the mocking voices tbh...
I liked his mocking voices,they were great and made me laugh out loud.
Great quote by the way
I totally agree with the form your personality part, considering I watched my father play Dark Crusade on his lap when I was 3.
You missed the best part though:
"Surrender human, for the greater good!"
"The greater good is coming to you from my bolter, alien!"
Though my favourite part of the Tau campaing has to be:
"Listen to my voice unbelievers, carried to your minds by the power of the prince of excess himself!!!"
"I'm having trouble with my comms system, changing to another channel"
To this day I still quote the Orks randomly.
"I SHOULD BUILD A MACHINE, THAT MAKES WALKING... *FASTER*!"
"WAKE UP BOYZ, IS TIME FOR FIGHTIN!"
"NO ONE'S BIGGER *OR* MEANER THAN US!!"
So fucking good man.
Correction: The tau commander was Kais, and the blood raven was Thule, not Angelos.
That last quote is honestly hilarious.
-"So say the slave to the free man..."
Space Marines may be brainwashed and indoctrinated up to their ears but they can still Choose to rebel, numerous Chaos Marine chapters being a proof of that. While the Tau are Physically incapable of defying the Ethereals and will follow every order without hesitation even if it means putting a plasma bolts into their own skulls.
If anything it's two slaves arguing who is less of a slave.
Honestly, I think Gorgutz was the one redeeming takeaway from this game. His OG model was just a stand-in for Ghazghul and I think his DoW3 glowup was a perfecr fit for him.
Gorgutz is a schemer, a rare and dangerous ork who uses underhanded tactics. The mere thought of Gorgut using his grappling arm to get further into battle, swinging it around to block some incoming fire and hit 'umies. Hell, I just wanted him to have a Sync kill of him grappling a Space Marine just to spin him around and slam him into the ground or just yeet him 50 meters away. And it is fitting since every Gorgutz fight has him retreating to fight another day, meaning a grappling claw for escaping is the perfect tool.
Sadly, I require a 3d printer for this sculpt because GW won't do it themselves and take my money for a Forgeworld Gorgutz and Bludflagg
I still cant get over how stunning that first trailer for Dawn of War 3 was. Still get chills when I hear that music.
I still go back and watch it sometimes
I really hate how all the units in a squad move in the same way at the same time when they get knocked back, I loved how in dow 1 when squads got hit by artillery they got scattered every which way like a bunch of bowling pins. Having all the units synced like that with no variation just looks awful.
Dawn of War 1 is still impressive in so many ways.
Where there is cringe there is Angry Joe, this is a universal fact
Also imagine my shock that DOWIII turned out to be a nightmare what with all those dangerhairs.
"was the problem corporate bs and greed? No, look, some of them have dyed hair! That clearly did it!
@@Tom_Cruise_Missile Women ruin everything
Wow, out of nowhere this one.
This has taken me three weeks to make XD. Really wanting to get back to Darktide speculation so that will be next.
@@PonchaYT We're supposed to get more info on the game before the end of the year, right?
@@DerOrk This is the latest comment we got from them. (I'm reading an awful lot heeee, although not everything, all the time, but as much as I can! Can't say much about the project however cos like... we haven't got much to say quite yet. We CANT WAIT to say more, honestly, it's going to be amazeballs to lift the lid on the game, it's just we want to get stuff more in stone before we say what the craic is, as stuff is no doubt still pretty written in pencil and not permanent ink)
So as far as I'm aware I don't know if we will get anything at the end of the year. Perhaps a tease of gameplay with the xbox launch.
i doubt its anywhere near that mate unfortunately, especially with Nurgle working overtime these days
"that's crazy"
Good video. The points were pretty spot on, though I do want to point out one thing about the campaign that I feel lots of people either don't notice, or just don't point out. The base story is literally a worse version of Vanilla DOW 1's story. Let's run through some things both have in common.
Both start off with an Ork invasion of an Imperium planet with the Blood Ravens coming in to help out.
Both have an Inquisitor that is reluctant to help Angelos.
Both feature some sort of artifact that some factions are chasing after.
Both feature a planet with a sealed Daemon that is released thanks to sacrifices from all of the battles.
Both have a team-up between Xeno forces and Space Marines in the final level.
It's the extra details filling the blanks between is what makes DOW 3's story more bland and annoying.
Maybe that's why it felt so stale as it was just a revamp of the first game story.
I'm glad you pointed that out as it definitely is something to miss when playing. I
guess they were hoping for a lot of new players to come to the game so having a similar story would not be much of a problem but they missed out on their key player base who were the ones who played the first game.
Yeah, this.
Agreed, agreed, agreed. I'm not into multiplayer and enjoy my lore so I would have bought DOW 3 on a budget if it did a new story buuuut... nope, same as DoW 1 again. It just feels so formulaic and spawned out rather than crafted. Is that REALLY all they can do with the 40K universe?
Why not have Angelos as chapter master and directing a new commander? Why have Gorgutz demoted back to square one? Why have a daemon as the end boss yet again? What a waste.
That story wrap-up is actually true for a lot of wh40k games, even dow2 ans space marine.
@@N3r0ThlHeavyMetal Do not want to be rude, but while you are right that some of those points can be applied to plenty of other 40k games, There are no others that i know of that follow all of them in that exact order in one story.
Dawn of War 2, with all of its expansions, would meet at least 4 and maybe 5 if looked at the right way, but comparing 3 campaigns to 1 isn't that fair. When doing just vanilla Dawn of War vs any of the single Dawn of War 2 campaigns, you'd have at most 2 shared points, which I feel is more acceptable.
Space Marine also only shares 2 of the points, the 1st and 3rd to be precise. It does have an inquisitor in the game, but Drogan, for story reasons, mostly assists Titus' with recovering the mcguffin of the game. There's also no sealed daemon whatsoever and there's no team-up between the Orks(the only xenos in the game) and Space Marines, especially since Titus kills the Warboss.
If you only meant that some of those points can be applied to other 40k games, then yes, I totally agree and apologize. If there is one thing I feel, it's that story writers for 40k games can be a little stagnant in their main plots.
The sergeant in Dawn of War 3 intro:
> Is too much of a wuss that he has a filthy xeno speak for him
> Proceeds to kneel down with his battle brothers like the virgins they are
The sergeant in Dawn of War 1 intro:
> "AAAAAAARGH!"
> Charges the filthy xenos with his battle brothers in the name of the God-Emperor
"hope is the first step on the road to dissappointment"
Massive disappointment. I didn't like DoW II either, though I appreciated it brought something new to the franchise. Ultimately, I just wanted DoW I with better graphics and a new campaign.
Honestly just make dow soulstorm UA with updated graphics and more maps
Personally I liked Dow 2, many improvements like auto cover, dynamic movement and heroes abilities made it very fun. Just not to the scale that I would prefer, it was a low intensity 40k battle as opposed to the grand clashes we often read about in books. If you could combine those things and then mesh that with DoW 1 you would have a best seller. But no lets go with flashy lights and magic bullshit attempting to cash grab on the MOBA scene.
@@spaniel5657 fukn this right here 🤬 it still hurts how they messed this up !
Me too man, I dropped dow2 almost as soon as it released. Dow2 just wasn't my cup of tea, oh well, no biggie. But dow3 was a travesty
I liked the realism and graphics of Dawn of War 2 but did not like the smaller scale, hated that weird Hero-focused RPG campaign where you only had 4 squads in a Match and I didnt like the factions except tyrannids. No Astra Militarum, no Tau(my favs) and no Necrons. The only 3 factions I play in Dawn of War 1.
The smaller scale and basebuilding in multiplayer crushed it.
But yes I wanted Dawn of war 1 wirh dawn of war 2 Graphics and a campaign like Dark Crusade
Base building is a good feature on wide open maps (strategy)
Lanes are a good feature for concentrated management (tactics)
I'm not saying you can't combine the two, but you need to have a humble approach and respect that open massive battles are the highlight dawn of war and fast paced tactics are the highlight of dawn of war 2. Encumber the player with base building you water down the tactics and take away the large massive open range maps you take away the strategic options that come with having a massive army. I liked the concept of CnC generals to give you ample freedom in using abilities not being dependant on where your commander is. That way you can have the large open maps and not rock paper scissors hoping your cannon fodder doesn't run into their commander or have your hands tied cause your commander is bumbling around somewhere else
Great review but honestly your "reaction" to the advertisement was almost as cringy. However I'll forgive you because of that Sonic joke, that one had me rolling.
Don’t even remind me of this cringy autistic video. This was good learning experience.
@@PonchaYT You should put thatclip up separately, it was amazing
@@PonchaYT you mean i shouldn't be watching this right now?
@@PonchaYT REMINDED
@@PonchaYT Today I will remind him!
Dawn of War 4.
Yeah, I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon.
Might as well go back to Soulstorm with the Ultimate Apocalypse mod.
I am playing that XD. Going to mention it in my dawn of war 4 video.
Got to ask though. How is your experience on the Ultimate Apocalypse mod? Asking as one who never played Dawn of War in my entire life, but know W40k a little bit.
It has a lot of things added onto it, especially if you compare it to just vanilla, the factions . Being able to build crazy defenses as the Guard is fun, the factions all get custom super units and I never had trouble running it even if my PC is a bit on the old side.
TL:DR - Must get, no reason to go back to vanilla Soulstorm after.
This video is 3x longer than it needs to be
This game could have been the epitome of RTS games. But noooooooooooooo, "we gonna fuze dis with LOL, for teh lolz!"
Welcome to how we all felt when Tiberium twilight came out...
@@Mirvra
Tiberium twilight? Never, heard about it, tiberium wars plus wrath of kane is reaaaaly good though
@@bastionaudio Sorry, got the name a bit wrong, Tiberian Twilight.
@@Mirvra
You clearly didn't get a joke, i meant C@C IV T.T. did not exist, because how bad it is
: P
The only time i played this game was when Steam made it free to play for 3 days about what 2 years ago some 6-8 months after the game was released. Man, not even free to play was worth it just too play the campaign it was such a chore to sit trough only thing that came to my head was "I waited 6 years after Retribution for this"
Yeah I binged the campaign during the free weekend and it just justified me not purchasing it.
@@ironeleven Campaign personal opinion 5/10 the story pretty good, the execution on gameplay uhhhh!!!! If they were planning to make a Moba they should not have titled it Dawn of War. They should have just made a separate game entirely not experiment. I don't think we will see a DOW 4 for a while maybe even a decade or so.
Jesus one thing DOW3 succeeded is giving flashbacks too how EA mutilated the C&C franchise with Command & Conquer 4: Tiberian Twilight Another RTS i ones loved.
@@silentecho92able I will say I enjoyed the final boss encounter because it felt like they took DoW II's boss design and polished it up a bit, and I didn't have an army to micromanage on top of the heroes.
@@ironeleven Yeah i totally agree on that
I actually bought it on a steam sale earlier this year, I had made a campaing marathon of the first DoW game at its expansions all the way to retribution and was feeling nostalgic, I just wanted to see how it all ended.
It simply didnt end. Just left on a cliffhanger...
As someone who grew up with the 2nd edition 40k art and models i kinda loved the more saturated colours on the unit models. Now that doesn't excuse bad fx design causing confusion in big battles. A grimdark setting doesn't have to have a grimdark colour palette
Me to Relic when they released this game: "Do I detect uncertainty in your purpose?"
Speaking of uncertainty, I don't think I ever got the kill-the-demon mission. Maybe my game bugged? What a crock
@@Pekopekope you probably just never got too it considering how much of a shitfest the campaign was in general
Relic: "Do you hear the voices too?"
It's more of an issue with contrasts, the ground matched the color of the units! So it all blended in. You could have had the high saturation and still had it look good. Doom Eternal is an example of where it's done right!
Is there a longer version of the song at 11:12? would be neat
“I’m hungry for more information on Dawn of War 3”
“Maybe you should get lunch.”
Why was that so funny
Jesus I forgot how over the top the animations and flashy lights were.
Best thing about DOW3?
The reveal trailer. It was all downhill after that
THANK YOU. Dear God, I've been waiting for someone to do a video like this for ages. I played the beta for 30 minutes and was seething the entire afternoon. This game doesn't deserve to be buried; it deserves to be ridiculed until the end of days.
To this day I remain amazed at how badly the designers messed up DoW3. Could have literally just remade DoW1 with better graphics.
"Hello Reforge!"
Just another classic example of ignoring the fan bases requests for what they want, and developers telling them what they will get.
As a warhammer fan, this hurts to watch. But I must.
This is how an RTS game dies. Just look at Empire Earth 3 and what it did to that franchise.
What happened to EE3?
@@SIGNOR-G Honestly, pretty similar story with DoW3. EE1 and EE2 both had their fans (I was always an EE2 guy), but EE3 managed to be different from both, far more shallow, and with 'brighter' graphics...which resulted in people staying away from it in droves. I doubt that there will ever be an EE4, although I can hold out hope that WH40K's popularity will lead to a DoW4 someday.
Same of Age of Empires 3: went for the shiny graphics and physics environments. Bombed. Then AoE4 was a mobile game. A MOBILE GAME.
And now the AoE franchise assets have been sold and gutted and its now one of those mobile City building games where you click on timers and battles are waged on a behind the scenes spreadsheet. I think its called Age of war or war age or some other hard mobile game name.
@@HudsonAO8TQ1 Age of Empires is getting a 4th game, developed by Relic and published by Microsoft. It's gonna be based in the Medieval era yet again though, but we'll see how it turns out.
@@rixille yeah thats good news, fingers crossed.
It still triggers me that AoE became a mobile game with microtransactions. I mean...$90 to buy the "ultra lord hero pack" or whatever. You could get 2 AAA games for that or half a dozen absolute classics.
It trips me out that DoW came out 18 years ago.
How hard is it to make a Warhammer 40k game similar/close to DoW?!
Literally just started working on a DOW4 video.
As an amateur game dev, I would say impossible without a 100 people team working on it for 3/4 years at least...
@@0nyr And budget, and good dev team.
There is a mod at Men of war game that look promising
@@VHyuro men of war is even less dawn of war than Halo wars
Damn it, you said the words "Space Marine 2" and now I'm sad that we'll never get it
SURPRISE!
My man, i'm from the future, i have good news
Haha too late for I come from the future
Its happening my friend! And it ain't by Relic. Fingers crossed it's going to be good....
BROOOOO
ANYWAY new Unification mod for Soulstorm is out
I love how the DoW3 marine had to pause for breath. "Show me what passes for fury...
Among your misbegotten kind!"
Dawn of war 1 is still one of my favorite games of all time, with the some amazing mods that breathe new life into it. I tried playing Dawn of war 2 but could only manage about 30 mins. Was hoping Dawn of war 3 was going to save the series and to be honest this was such a dissapointment.
Dawn of war 1 deserves a graphics remaster!
@@ghosttankcommander5397 I wouldn't trust a company that created DoW3 to do a Remaster of DoW1.
Edit: Only because of what happened with Warcraft III: Refunded
Does anyone have a link to the video he uses for this segment 6:04 - 7:15.
I looked through the ones he linked in the description but couldnt find it.
It’s something like dawn of war multiplayer battle first look or something. It should be on their channel.
I don't know too much about Imperial Knight lore, but does anyone find it strange that they fall from the sky?
It's a pretty nonsensical way to deploy a knight yeah, not even something of that scale would make it through an unprotected drop from that high.
Most likely a similar method used by the UNSC when they deployed scorpion tanks down to the lesser arms surface in H3, or coffin shops are equipped with imperial knight sized drop pods too same way they are with actual full on titans
Man you had me. You SO had me, I was agreeing with everything, I was there with you.
I never played the game though, I never bought it, so I couldn't agree with the mechanics or what I thought did or didn't work, I just watched and listened to you breaking them down, and I was thinking 'ah, I see', and learning.
And I was right there with you until minute 34:20.
And... No.
You think people should've done more to support the game? No!
No, I didn't buy it because I didn't want to reward this. I LOVE 40k, I love 40k games, and when I saw this and read the early reviews, I realised that I this was a seemingly deliberate step in the wrong direction. If I and ten thousand others had just blindly bought in then our complaints wouldn't matter! It'd be like people protesting Apple's predatory practises,
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It was the developers every step of the way who sank the game, so I don't think it's fair to blame the player base for not supporting this trainwreck. Let the people who loved this game and direction - and there are loads of them - lament the lack of support, but ultimately 40k RTS games have a pretty huge player-base, it's not on us if Relic and others shoot themselves in the foot trying to find us.
they didnt listen and continue ... its going to be like that... so many sheep ... to be smarter is to be more responsible... but when people can be control ... when they have nothing else to follow... if i am the smartest person and everybody follow... who is going to punish me when i make the rules?
He literally agrees with you
In short (this is no way of insult)
Vote with you Wallet, People!!!
Edit: thru failing sales records let them realize that their failed decision
You can download crack version of it, try the game to learn more of its flaw or good
@Sir Mordred
Someone didn't pay attention to the video, he literally said that while he *originally* had that opinion, after doing all the research for the video he concluded that it was Relic's fault. So you're still agreeing with everything he said.
There's a modder still working on keeping DoW3 alive even now in 2023, maybe it's worth checking out???
Perhaps a good video idea.
@Poncha Codex Compliant (DC), hopefully it's good enough for a video.
P.S. Just discovered your channel and it's f**king fantastic.
@@CrispyCrippi new video hopefully soon. I’m going to be coming back swing with videos over the next few months.
The way this video is put together is pure gold, the combination of seriousness and humour is brilliant! The “It’s a hard not life for us”. Song made me laugh so hard
*A blight on our chapter."* - entire dow community
will you make a review of warhammer 3 next year?
The question of whose fault it is, when a game fails, is a tricky one: For example, WH40k Eternal Crusade. Eternal Crusade is not bad, but........
- The devs made HUGE promises of units and game-modes (e.g. a campaign...) which would be added post-launch. Then after launch, with MAJOR content missing and the game still being nothing but a generic lobby-shooter, the number of devs was reduced from 100 to 2.
- Then a vicious cycle set in: The devs kept lying to the community (especially the lead developer), players left, wait-times in the lobby increased, more players left, the maps that required huge amounts of players to work got deleted, players left, the devs stopped talking to the community entirely, players left...
Nowadays, Eternal Crusade only has enough active players world-wide for one SINGLE lobby-shooter match at a time... if you are lucky.
Seems like you should make the fall of eternal crusade video. I would do it myself but I feel I don't know enough to make it. I did play eternal crusade but I was not around for the start of it and have only heard bits here and there about why it failed.
@@PonchaYT There are so many videos about Eternal Crusade out there.
Basically, the story goes like this:
* The first lead developer, Miguel Caron, promised an open-world WH40k game with huge battles. Turned out that the studio didn't have the budget for that. Miguel left and in came Nathan Richardsson.
* Nathan promised a 3rd-person shooter MMORPG with an ongoing campaign in the background, controlled by the devs and narrated and supplemented by novels written by the famed Graham McNeill. Oh, and it would come to PC, Xbox and Playstation.
* The first item that was dropped was the bikes/trikes, because the devs had no idea how to incorporate those into the gameplay.
* Up next, during open Beta, the devs made maps that would be unplayable as a Walker, effectively killing off Dreadnoughts before they even had a chance to enter the game.
* Then the devs decided to waste precious time and money on using an outdate game-engine and harebrained ideas like pico-servers.
* Then, while all was crumbling around them and the devs tried to make do with what little they had, Nathan promised Terminators and Titans to the player-community. He said that implementing Terminators would take 3 months and that it would be the first update after launch.
* Time goes on. Very little gets done. The publisher Bandai pressures Behaviour Interactive into finally releasing the game so that FINALLY some money can get made.
* The game launches. No campaign-system whatsoever, no background-story, no novels, no Terminators. (And a ridiculously OP Eldar grav-tank.) Behaviour immediately pulls out all staff from Eternal crusade, except for 20 devs, and puts them into another game.
* The months roll around and Nathan silently scratches the Terminators, instead promising ever-more complicated campaign-systems. (He admits that he ACTUALLY meant that Terminators take 3 months to develop if he has 100 devs at hand doing NOTHING else. Yes, the lead-developer thought that not only would he get to keep his full team after launch, he also thought that there would be NO bug-fixes and patches after game-launch.)
* The months roll around and Nathan silently scratches the campaign-system.
* At about this point, the number of devs is reduced from 20 to 2 devs + a PR guy.
* The months roll around and Nathan gracefully offers to the player-community to finish the game for Behaviour Interactive for free. You work for Behaviour Interactive for free and Behaviour Interactive owns the full copyright of anything you make for EC. There will be a modding-workshop! We get to design the campaign-system! We get to invent characters and narrative and background-story of Eternal Crusade and get to write the lore!
* The months roll around and it turns out that all the while Nathan promised the player-community to give the game into their hands, while he promised that he was preparing EC for a great rebirth in the background, he had been applying for another job and secretly left.
* At about this point, the devs finally manage to solve the OP problem with the Eldar grav-tank.
* The devs stop talking to the player-community entirely. The forum goes dead, as the player-community moves to Discord. Then the devs decide to come back and join the player-community on Discord.
* The devs add some crappy maps and some cosmetics nobody cares about to the game.
* Then some hackers find a way around the anti-cheating software of EC and nowadays the game is so overrun with blatant cheaters that it's barely playable.
* Nowadays, the active player-base is 200 people over the course of 24 hours. You need 30 people at a time for a full match. If you don't schedule your play-time to coincide with the clans, your wait-time between matches ranges from 30 minutes to infinity. Just playing the game for fun anytime you want, that has become impossible.
@@pinky6758 Good thing i left that Eternal Crusade game a long time ago seeing as how you fill me in on how bad it has become over the years.
Heh yeah.. Few friends and I had the $200 founders edition or whatever it was to try and help out the team! We never had anything to really spend the currency on for the entire lifetime of the game, and the cost of the things that WERE On the shop made it so like... a single headpiece was like 5 dollars for barely any change, they milked their founders as quickly as possible. Outside of that, the complete unoptimization and the lack of balance was just awful. Such a shame, I really wanted that game to work... but I guess we all helped fund Dead by Daylight? *siiiighs*
@@rain6353 I wanted to like the game, but the way it was handled by the devs really made me think they don't care about the product at all.