The Last Jedi is the finest Star Wars movie ever made. This made me tear up in theatre multiple times, Luke seeing R2 again, Yoda's final teachings, Luke's sacrifice. I am glad you genuinely loved this film as much as I did. People don't genuinely hate this movie, they were told to and decided to think as herd instead of individuals. The Last Jedi will forever be my favourite Star Wars movie.
@@thatnerdtara happy you found this movie good. Can’t say the same. I think a better twist at the end of this movie, would have been if Rey had joined Kylo. And Luke had survived and would go on to train Finn and others. My personal opinion at least.
This is my favorite of the sequel movies and either 4th or 5th favorite Star Wars movie overall. I always get heat for saying this but I won't back down because it's true. The main reason people dislike this movie is because it disproved fan theories that were rampant after The Force Awakens. J.J. Abrams invited these theories. That's what he does. But Rian Johnson went in a different direction. That doesn't make it a bad movie. When the movie came out, the fandom also cited a few other reasons for disliking the movie. Mainly they said they didn't like the style of humor, Poe's call with General Hux and Luke drinking milk being prime examples. They also cited perceived plot holes, particularly the Holdo Maneuver. Oh yea, and Leia flying. They really hated that. I would place all of these criticisms in the category of nitpicks and to this day I believe people do not like this film because the plot is not how they would've written it. Eventually, fans gravitated around the theory that the depiction of Luke is inconsistent with how he was portrayed in the original trilogy. I beg to differ. I think this movie is entirely consistent with how Luke behaved in both A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back. And 30 years elapsed since then so if you can't use your imagination to see how Luke might revert to old habits, well, you don't have much of an imagination. Fans simply refused to accept the possibility that Luke just might have changed in 30 years, or maybe even just reverted back to how he used to be. Fans used this theory about Luke to justify their hatred of the movie. But really, they just wanted payoffs to their fan theories, particularly about Rey's parentage and the origins of Snoke, from Force Awakens. Everyone who hates this movie will call me a liar. But I know I'm right. I watched this all go down and I remember how it played out.
So Rian Johnson started this while JJ was finishing up with TFA. EVERY decision he made was cleared by JJ. George himself has stated that he ALWAYS wanted things to be "different" from what came before. So the nostalgia that was in TFA was very much "anti Lucas". This movie was VERY much written to go against the fan theories that were crafted in the years since TFA. And it PISSED people off. I personally LOVE that they were subverting expectations.
Some things in the sequels were decent, but it was mostly just a disorganized mess of political stuff. If people enjoy it I won't attack them for it, but it's just not what Star Wars should be and what it has been. It's nowhere near connected to the other movies and shows and nowhere near the same. Rey is way too overpowered for having absolutely no knowledge or training in the force and they butchered Luke's character. There's no denying Rey is a Mary Sue. They're literally making her invincible and able to do anything. Luke had to go through some SERIOUS shit to be able to do anything REMOTELY close to what Rey is doing with borderline zero effort. This trilogy had no planning so if it seems like things are tied together in ep9, they're not. They made that up because JJ Abrams tried to undo what Rian Johnson did for ep8. The whole trilogy was a disorganized mess. When Poe said "happy beeps here buddy come on", there's a lot of speculation that BB8 was saying "I've got a bad feeling about this" and I'm with them because we don't actually hear anyone say it at any other point in the movie. At the 2:25 point in this video, and where the movie starts at that point, we hear a re-done version of the Battle of the Heroes theme, the music when Anakin and Obi-Wan were fighting. Might just be a coincidence that it sounds the same, but I do hear it clearly. A bit out of place though. It still makes me *MAD* how they killed off Han. Luke's character is so not who he is too. There is no way the people who made this movie didn't know what they were doing when they had Leia say "get your head out of your *cock* pit". 🤣🤣 I knew Chewie had a heart. He couldn't eat the Porg. 🥲 The scenes with Yoda were easily the best from the sequels. It felt the most like Star Wars, unlike the rest of it, lol. The music that played when Snoke was sucking the information out of Rey was a different version of the Emperor's theme. So as it turns out, Finn Poe and Rose's plan backfired, badly. When Luke projected himself across all of the galaxy, it was his older self, the last time he was seen by anyone, including Ben Solo and Leia. He was much older when we actually saw him on the island so it makes sense.
In the battle against Kylo Ren, Luke did a dopplegänger. It was a very difficult Jedi skill, typical of very strong and experienced masters. He projected himself from the planet of Ahch-To (that´s why his semblance was different from reality, much younger and as they remembered him since he went into exile). He spent his last strength giving the rebellion a new chance... then, in front of those two suns (like in Tatooine) ... he became "one with the Force".
Tara, I will NOT lie to you. When I saw this movie in theaters..... I walked out of the theater repeatedly saying, "WTF did I just watch?!" Because it SO undermined everything set up in The Force Awakens. It honestly took me dozens of viewings to finally "understand" the story it was trying to tell. To me, that does make it the weakest Star Wars movie of them all, so far (and hopefully, it will stay that way). Is it a "bad" movie? No..... but it's a confusing one if you consider the expectations made previously. IMHO, this is the problem with not having an overarching story in place before you begin a trilogy. Not the entire thing written, but major plot points. You can define details later, as Lucas did. But this was a "write it as you go" trilogy, and it (again, IMHO) suffers from that.
@@thatnerdtarathe biggest thing I didn’t like with this movie, is that Luke didn’t have a bigger role to play In it. Also where he ends up, depressed, alone, and giving up on hope, just didn’t fill to me and others like a natural progression of his character. Even Mark Hamill didn’t agree with the way Luke went. And he other than George Lucas would know Luke better than anyone. And the fact he momentarily thought to kill Ben just for being tempted to the dark side. But yet he never gave up on his father. Who he had no reason to believe in him, because all he knew was Darth Vader. But yet, his nephew who was as far we know was good, but was being tempted by evil? Yeah just kill him. Makes no sense. My opinion.
@@Brandoloian well that’s not where Luke’s character ends at the end of this movie, you realizes his mistakes and failures through Yoda and Rey, I think this movie with everything he says and does, the way he is optimistic and believe believes in the Jedi again and believes he will not be the last one, he literally reignites the spark that Leia says was out in this movie, the spark of hope, would you even see reflected in the kids that they own this movie in the worst possible place in life but yet they’re still filled with Hope from the legend of Luke Skywalker, as for the Ben thing, I’ve heard this argument played multiple times, but to me it’s still rings true to Luke’s character at his core to me, Luke is a character who for better or worse, doesn’t think twice when it comes to the people he loves, you look at Vader in episode six this man that he has said multiple times to multiple people that there is good in him, and that he can be turned as soon as he threatens his sister he doesn’t think twice about nearly killing him, from cutting his arm off to having the saber to his throat, he came that close to killing a man. He attended multiple times to be good. It’s a direct reflection of the scene in this movie in the hut. Luke looks into his mind and seized “the destruction, pain and death of everything he loves” what I think is the most important thing, that everyone forgets is that Luke doesn’t kill Ben. It’s just that blindside to the people he loves that doesn’t let him think sometimes, and if anything shows growth of the character from episode six, he almost killed his father and would’ve done it if the emperors cackled and snap them out out of it, here he is able to stop himself, if you have someone you love in your life ask yourself how far you’ll go for them right now, then ask yourself how far you think you’ll go for them in 20 years, it’s probably gonna be the same. Anyway, I love Luke in this movie.
@@thatnerdtara To make a long story short, it throws everything that JJ set up for the follow up to his film out of the window. It went out of it's way to do so in some cases, like Luke throwing the saber over his shoulder almost as soon as the movie opens, compared to TFA ending on that scene 5 seconds prior. That would probably be the most obvious example among many. What that left JJ with when he went to do TRoS was... pandemonium. He pulled inspiration from Dark Empire in an attempt to correct course, but it didn't work that well. I can say he probably could have done worse, but I did not enjoy TRoS as far as what we got. TLJ is what caused that to happen.
@@thatnerdtara Without spoilers for Episode IX (which, I will say, I liked better than VIII, though I *DO* think it should have been 45 minutes longer to slow the pace slightly and explain a few things that the other media had to do later on): We know that the New Republic's government was decimated in TFA, but there HAD to be some kind of "contingency" plan for the continuation of government. Not just "The First Order has pretty much taken over". Luke tossing his father's lightsaber (that Rey handed him) away like he did was just.... "out of character". No explanation at all for that. Yes, he built a new one for Episode VI... but his father meant a lot to him, which is why he was able to redeem him in the end. Some things not "undermined", but.... questionable as far as writing goes (again, IMHO) was the lack of fuel for the Resistance fleet. I didn't mind the "tracking through hyperspace" plot point, that made decent sense, technology wise. But "not enough fuel"? They always had enough fuel on hand for their fleets. That "side mission" to the gambling planet could have EASILY been avoided if Holdo had just been HONEST about having a plan. Details need not be handed out willy nilly.... but just assure your people that you actually HAVE one. They needed HOPE. A good leader would do that, even if it wasn't actually true. Rose smashing her ship into Finn's ship was just stupid. She's lucky she didn't kill them both. That isn't "saving what you love", that's "killing yourself and who you claim to love"... I didn't mind Luke's "my student betrayed me" arc, but that he outright LIED to Rey about it initially before retreating to that island and cutting himself off from The Force. Another thing "out of character" with zero explanation. I can "kinda" see the plot point of "Luke drew his saber"..... but I question if he actually ignited it. Also, why didn't the newly anointed Kylo Ren kill Luke when he had the chance? To say something POSITIVE about the movie: The "Holdo Maneuver", jumping a ship to hyperspace and hitting a targeted ship RIGHT before reaching the hyperspace threshold was actually brilliant.... but there's a drawback to it. Why can't/won't that tactic be used in the future? That's the drawback to doing something THAT creative, strategically. Once you do it, it will be questioned on when to do it again. A highly damaged ship and an expendable droid...... BOOM. I'm not crapping on the movie. As I said, it took me several watches to fully understand where they were going with it. But that was the first time watching a Star Wars movie that I ever left the theater..... not excited for the next movie..... but wondering what I just watched. And I've seen EVERY Star Wars movie in theaters, the OT in '77, '80, '83 (several times each), then again with the re-releases and Special Editions in '97. The Prequel Trilogy in '99, 2002, 2005, and everything made since. I'll even say that Rogue One had me feeling like the 10 year old kid I was watching the original 1977 movie in theaters all over again. Believe me, I was not alone in being confused by the movie on first watch. But most people refused to watch it ever again. At least I did, and many times, to try and make it make sense to me. I was finally able to do so, to a point... but I still have some issues with it. Of course, one could find mistakes and plot points in every Star Wars movie that can make them "unenjoyable" if you want to. Me? I love Star Wars, and have since I was 10 years old. I do my best to TRY and love what we're given! Many fans panned The Acolyte, but I absolutely LOVED that series, because I understood it. I actually have a connection to the story of that series (which I won't get into.... because "spoilers"). I'll explain that when you get to it. As disappointed as I was with The Last Jedi on first watch, I have come to appreciate it more over the years. I still think it's the "weakest" of the 11 movies (so far).... but it's still not as bad as the Holiday Special. And I *LOVED* that when it aired in 1978!! But it was a product of its time..... and has not held up very well. 11 year old me flipped out over it.... 53 year old me (when I watched it a second time) wanted to go to the UK, find The Doctor, get a quick ride in the TARDIS back to 1978, and slap the ever loving crap out of 11 year old me. ;) (If you ever watch that Holiday Special... you'll understand why I'm saying that.)
In the prequels, Palpatine alluded to the thought that his master was so in league with the Force that he could 'even create life'...from midichlorians... so Anakin was possibly created by Darth Plagueis.
Before some expanded lore was de-canonized, the explanation was that Plagueis was experimenting and influencing the midichlorions. The living Force, in response to what he was doing, created Anakin Skywalker to bring balance. So, rather than Plagueis intentionally creating Anakin, it's a little more like he was created in response TO what Plagueis was doing. But this was largely de-canonized, so I don't know what the current explanation is.
Yoda still out here dropping jewels of wisdom. So great to see him again. Other than the casino planet I think this movie is very good. Much deeper than most of the others. Glad you enjoyed it. Your enjoyment was infectious
The reason this movie gets a lot of hate is it feels like Rian Johnson did his own stand-alone Star Wars movie in the middle of a trilogy. I liked a lot of the story but it felt almost completely disconnected from the other two movies. JJ Abbrams comes back to direct the 3rd movie and it feels like he spends most of the movie trying to undo almost everything Ryan did here. That makes the 3rd movie feel too much like a part 2 with no end to wrap everything up properly.
Rian and The Last Jedi was the only one of the three that tried to do something new, so I'll give them that credit. The stupidity from the start was that they didn't plan what the trilogy was going to be and JJ refused to commit to a trilogy - and why I have no sympathy or respect for him and his choice to return and undo this one. TLJ feels disconnected because it deviated from expectations (in a good but unsatisfying way, imo), but the sequels were an unorganised mess from the gate and nothing was going to make them great because of how willfully mismanaged it all was. It didn't help any storytelling that TFA was just a dull redo of ANH either. TLJ felt like Battlestar - and I enjoyed what Rian attempted with it, and the more nuanced angle he approached it from, but it didn't serve well as a trilogy piece. What JJ returned and did just solidified it as a bad trilogy. The wrap up feels unsatisfying because they had no idea what story they were telling to build towards.
I think the most charitable way to refer to this particular movie is divisive. It looked absolutely gorgeous, but in terms of the narrative it threw away every lead it had because it wanted to buck the convention/expectation from fans, solely for those reasons. Not only was it selfish on Rian's part, but it doomed the rest of the ST to mediocrity. The story in this one isn't very good, and it only gets exponentially worse in TRoS in order to clean up this mess. At least I can appreciate the sound & the visuals, and some of the new ship & alien designs. I try to be positive when it comes to this era of SW. But one thing that really bothers me with this particular film. They hyped the hell out of this character Tallie, the female A-wing pilot that gets blown up after maybe 10 seconds of screen time. They gave her a whole thing in the SW Battlefront game and a front & center spot in a few TV ads, etc. What was up with that marketing decision? If you want to keep the Force Dyad concept in SW, maybe tone it down a bit, etc. the best place to put it would have been Ezra & Sabine if we keep her being a Force sensitive, assuming we don't just create new characters to do that with. That would have legitimately been cool. This implementation with Rey & Kylo was just... lame. Even worse in TRoS to be honest. I mean, Rebels was airing at that point in time, and I distinctly remember Hera engaging hyperdrive through a space station hangar in one episode shortly before the film released, very similar to the stupid Holdo Maneuver except making 100% more sense; she escaped the blockade and destroyed the garrison by jumping through the gate. I remember telling my friend that hadn't watched Rebels something kind of similar had been done before, if only like 2-3 weeks prior to TLJ coming out or whatever it was. We were discussing it on the ride home from the theater on the initial watch. I don't think I've seen this brought up before cause I don't really pay attention to ST discussion, but Luke dying from that projection can be taken a few ways. The one I remember seeing thrown around the most is that it exerted too much energy or he was on a time limit with an ability of that extent. After watching this reaction I think I'm going with Luke's projection has the caveat of if he takes any damage it's an Instant Death so to speak. I think he let Kylo strike him on purpose knowing he was done for if that happened, and hoping that psychologically it might break through to him. I think that in an alternate version of this story, Luke could have easily ended Kylo right then & there without dying himself. What did I not like? A lot. mostly anything that has to do with the actual storytelling in this movie. You don't get Rey="Mary Sue" vibes? She's a self insert good at everything character, you don't have to put a catchphrase on it. There's no explanation for why she's so good, she just is. Finn would have been cool if they stuck to his original ex-Stormtrooper that's possibly Force sensitive angle, but they ditched that like 10 minutes after he was introduced. Hell, I wouldn't even mind if Finn & Poe were the first real gay SW mains, I'd prefer that to "I can do anything I can Imagine" Rey driving the narrative while relegating the more interesting characters to bit parts and jokes. Let's be honest too, the 15mph space chase was a stupid plot point and Crait I think it's spelled could have done without the absolutely pointless salt-skiff things. You're already repurposing every design from the OT, repurpose the T-47 Airspeeders, just make those with modern models since the base is supposed to be from the same time period as Hoth, etc.
The short answer is viewers these days generally don't like being challanged especially when it comes to beloved franchises and The Last Jedi challanges a lot about star wars. Legends fans wanted to see the op version we know from legends not the deconstructed layered one we got. Because you're a new fan you don't have these biases so you're more open minded. Kotor 2 probably would be hated if it came out today.
My thoughts about this movie is that it subverts expectations in a way that is a mockery for established fans. Luke being a grumpy beat down old man and not the Hero we expected, (Until the last part) Snoke was made up to be as huge of a foil as the Emperor was, yet he is cut in half just like that? for many the Canto Bite plot is an eyesore, but that I don't agree with. Another upset is how the Director wiped the board with all the players so to speak, the movie reduces both the Resistance to a handful of people on the Millennium Falcon and the First Order to a fraction of its fleet. As movie making goes, Rian Johnson makes nothing "bad". but the result feels like him blwoing rasberries to the fans.
It wasn't a mockery for me at all. I am a very well established fan who grew up with the originals in the 80s. I loved this film! ❤️ BUT I also respect all opinions I just like people to know that this claim is not universally true.
I personally think he got the grandest possible ending to his arc. 🤷🏻♂️ I honestly can't think of anything that would have been more powerful. I am kind of bummed that JJ killed Han before he could see Luke again though, but I'm not going to hate something just because it didn't turn out the way I wanted.
Probably one of my favorites, if not my absolute favorite. I love what it did with Luke’s story and the idea and value of legend/myth, and Mark did incredible work with the role. My random fun little trivia bits: - BB-8’s beeps in the opening is said to be the “I’ve got a bad feeling about this.” - When Snoke slams Hux on the ground, the stunt double was so committed to the move and the number of takes that he broke his nose. - Laura Dern, who played Holdo, kept saying “pew” with the blaster.
Tara, the majority of the major criticisms out there are bs arguments from people being willfully ignorant/obtuse, have no qualms about lying or misrepresenting scenes for reasons, or just plain hate Disney Star Wars for reasons. I've already seen some brought up under this video. Luke being so quick to try and kill his nephew, as if the scene where he admits the truth to Rey as to what really happened that night (you know, the 3rd version of that scene) didn't happen, or that Luke running away from everything was "out of character", when one of his biggest character flaws, is that he was prone to suffering from a crisis of confidence (and Mark Hamill later retracted his criticisms of Rian Johnson and TLJ, which some people will tell you he was "forced" to do by Disney, but I don't buy that for a second). TLJ and Rian Johnson aren't the ones to undermine TFA and JJ Abrams, The Lucasfilm Story Group undermined the whole trilogy by not having a cohesive roadmap for it. It also didn't help that JJ Abrams was not initially set to direct Episode IX, it was supposed to be Colin Trevorrow and JJ Abrams did kind of shoot himself in the foot by dropping various teases that later didn't pay off (which is a constant and valid criticism of him). Like any movie there are valid criticisms, but the loudest ones I've seen can often be refuted by actually paying attention to the movie with some level of critical thinking.
Tara…Anakin was created by a vergence in the Force. A vergence is a powerful concentration of Force energy that can be centered around a person, object, or place. Qui-Gon mentioned this in Episode 1. The Acolyte series centers around and explains the vergence more. The main reason fans didn’t like this film was due to the way Luke was depicted. Most fans wanted to see Luke as this all powerful superhero Jedi that would fight Kylo, Snoke and save the day. They weren’t looking for the old Luke full of emotional trauma & without hope. 😆 The only part of the film that I didn’t care for was the entire Cantù Bight act. That was a waste of storytelling and served no purpose in the end.
In this movie, I love that Poe was just wrong and that at the end he realised that he should have listened to Leia and the Admiral. The entire movie was basically a lesson for him to actually think before he acts. Although, a lot of people were pissed off because it basically made their entire mission pointless. My main issue with the sequel trilogy was Disney’s idea to have three separate writers/directors for all three movies, and have no structure for them to follow from each other. So all the set ups JJ did in the first movie, Rian swerved from (such as Rey’s parents), then when the final movie got switched back to JJ, he tried to include what he had alluded to in the first movie and it made little sense as Rian had swerved away from it previously. My second issue being what Rian did to Luke in this movie, even Mark Hamill was very publicly unhappy about it before he pretty much got told to shut up about it. The casting and characters in each movie I really enjoyed, and I can honestly say I enjoyed all three when I saw them at the cinema, however none are as good as the previous 6, in my opinion due to the lack of structure.
I enjoyed the sequel trilogy. Is it what I wanted as a fan? No. There are a lot of Star Wars fans that have read or listened to the audio books and those stories were what most were expecting. Luke started a new Jedi order and was a Grand Master like Yoda. Luke married and had a child. Han and Leia had 3 children. According to Kathleen Kennedy and Disney they didn't have any source materials to go by, so these movies were what they came up with. If they would have done what happened in the books, I'm sure it would have been better and more profitable for them. They have lost a lot of fans because of the way they ignored those books.
I think that Rey miracle super powers are out of context. Luke deserves a better cinematographic ending. If you ask me, after this trilogy, the best character alive in STW is Ahsoka Tano.
She has no miracle powers. Never was presented as having any. She has as much Force as any other Jedi during The Clone Wars. Her being one of the only ones with The Force at this point in time makes her no more powerful than them, and that's acceptable, and welcome, and DUH.
Um... yeeeeeeeeeeeeah.... about Hera and/or the Ghost... well, to quote River Song... Spoilers. 😛 The people that hate on these movies are mainly sexists that are pissed about a woman playing the lead character. The rest are annoyed that it didn't follow Star Wars Legends material, like Luke's still-going Jedi temple or his wife, Mara Jade Skywalker. I don't hate these movies, but I can understand why some fans are annoyed about the lack of Legends material. They brought Thrawn in from Legends for Rebels/Ahsoka, so why not Mara Jade for the Sequels?
It was so awesome seeing your reaction. Almost beat for beat, it echoes the ways that my kids love this movie. It's just so unthinkable to me, as well, how people can hate this move with such fervor. And this is coming from a 43 year old lifelong Star Wars fan. Such a profound and powerful story. It's actually my third-favorite film in the entire franchise and it's just such a thing of beauty to me. The next one is the one that kind of falters for me, and although I like the ending overall, there were many things in the movie I don't like mainly because they showcase JJ Abrams' worst filmmaking tendencies. I am not a fan of his as a filmmaker. He's such a shallow director, always goes for the low hanging fruit in terms of nostalgia and fan service. But it's still a decent film overall and has some great moments and a great conclusion. I love your genuineness and am subbing to you immediately!!!
While I don't think I'll ever like/love this movie, its the only film of the trilogy I respect because of the filmmaking (i.e., the technical aspects of "The Holdo Maneuver") and because it has my 3 favorite scenes of the trilogy in it Scene 1: Force Ghost Yoda. Beyond the overall message of the scene that someone is never too old to learn, I loved Yoda's use of Force Lightning. Whereas Sith/Dark Side characters have to put their whole body into shooting unnatural looking lightning from themselves, Yoda just has to lift a single finger and the heavens themselves open up to shot down powerful but natural lightning. Scene 2: Phasma's extended death scene. Beside keeping up the Star Wars tradition of someone losing a hand in the second entry of a trilogy, I liked how Finn rightfully calls her out as a hypocrite for being a loyalty officer that tortures/executes her troops for slightest hints of disloyalty she easily sold out the First Order at Starkiller Base to save herself. We then see she did her job too well as her soldiers are willing to consider the accusations of a known traitor against her and she can't take the chance they'll believe Finn so her self-preservation instincts kick in which gives Finn the opening he needs. Scene 3: Luke "on" Crait. In my opinion this and his Mandalorian fight against the Dark Troopers complement each other really well. In The Mandalorian he's channeling his father, a cunning warrior who dispatches "clankers" with style and flourish. In Last Jedi he's channeling Obi-Wan and Yoda and some of their first lessons to him ("Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them" and "Wars not make one great") to use the Force creatively to passively humiliate an army halfway across the Galaxy from him. Taken together the two scenes show how well rounded a Jedi that Luke has become.
1) The bombing run - There is no gravity in space to make bombs fall. Leading a bunch of slow-moving, defenseless bombers into position to drop thousands of kinetic weapons on a ship is utterly illogical and has no connection to anything else in Star Wars. 2) The whole of the resistance exists in that one fleet? Really? And the fleet is slowly peeled off as they drift ahead in space? 3) Laura Dern's character kept secrets just to make things dramatic. There is no actual reason for her actions. 4) Literally everything about Cantobite. From calling a known character with no relation to the plot for help (who's engaged in some random firefight) to looking for one particular hacker and finding some random also-capable guy in jail to the overly heavy-handed social commentary to the dopey chase scene... everything was disastrously terrible about the plot on that planet. 5) Luke's attitude and weak justifications for his perspective, Yoda "destroying" and mocking the books, Luke teaching 2 of 3 lessons. 6) Rey coming from nobodies is utterly asinine and doesn't fit in any way with any of the setup from Force Awakens. 7) BB-8 controlling a walker is nothing but fan-service, where Chopper doing the same thing would actually be acceptable because those two droids have different capabilities. 8) If Finn's driving full-speed at the "miniaturized death star tech" (also, what? How does he know this? How did they build this? If they have this, why aren't they firing it from space?), how did Rose get ahead to cut him off? 9) The death of Snoke was lazy. There are more reasons, but those are some of the worst flaws with this film. It has some positives. Some of the comedy works well, the moment where the ships are destroyed by yet-another suicide run (a common theme among rebels/resistance) is fantastic, Luke's "appearance" in the final battle and his conversation with Kylo are all great. But the overarching problems with this movie are just too much.
You asked, why everyone hates this movie: 1) Luke’s Character is Completely Destroyed Luke Skywalker, who believed there was good in Darth Vader, wouldn’t give up just because of a vision about Kylo Ren. That’s completely out of character and makes no sense. 2) The Leia “Mary Poppins” Scene That scene where Leia floats through space? I felt physically ill. It was ridiculous and completely broke the immersion. 3) Pointless Subplots and Ridiculous Moments The casino planet sequence was a waste of time, and Admiral Holdo’s hyperspace maneuver was flashy but nonsensical. Not to mention the opening scene with the bombers-what happened to B-wings? 4) Disrespecting the Expanded Universe Everything I loved and grew up with in the Star Wars Expanded Universe was thrown away-Thrawn, Mara Jade, and countless other stories-all erased as if they never mattered. It felt like my childhood was invalidated. 5) No Grand “Thor Arrives in Wakanda” Moment I wanted to see Luke in his prime, a Grand Master of the Jedi Order, using his powers one last time. I wanted a reunion of Luke, Leia, and Han. We got none of that. The Mandalorian’s “The Rescue” gave me the Luke Skywalker moment I’d been waiting for my entire life, but it should’ve been in the sequels. 6) Rey is a Mary Sue We’ve had amazing strong female characters in Star Wars-Padmé, Leia, Ahsoka, Cara Dune-but Rey? She’s a Mary Sue. She defeats Kylo Ren without any training. Luke barely survived his first confrontation with Vader after extensive training, but Rey? Not a scratch. It’s absurd. 7)) What Was the Point of Snoke? Snoke was hyped up as this mysterious Sith lord, only to be killed off easily with no explanation of who he was or why he mattered. His character was pointless. The Rey Parentage Mystery Was a Letdown 8)At the time, I was so invested in finding out who Rey’s parents were. Was she a Kenobi? Luke and Mara Jade’s daughter? The fan theories were incredible, and honestly, so much better than the actual reveal. I won’t spoil it for those who haven’t seen it, but the answer was a massive disappointment. 9) The Big Question: Where Are Other Key Characters? During all this chaos, where is Ahsoka Tano? Where’s Cal Kestis from Jedi: Fallen Order? These characters exist in the timeline and are integral to the galaxy, yet they’re ignored. And with Kyle Katarn erased from canon, it feels like so many fan-favorites were sidelined or forgotten. This movie felt like it destroyed Star Wars for me. It took everything I loved about the saga and threw it in the trash. It wasn’t until The Mandalorian came along that I felt that spark of love for Star Wars again.
I love this movie, and never understood the hate. It's subtle and I know some people missed some of the details, because it wasn't spelled out for them.
Awesome reaction! I liked The Force Awakens more than The Last Jedi, but this movie was good, had some incredible moments, and doesn’t deserve the criticism it gets.
The movie is terrible. The modern spin on humour since marvel had a hit with Guardians is just not funny anymore, especially in specific contexts where it just seems weird.
Tara, even Mark Hamill hated this movie, and he especially hated what they did to Luke. People are mad because they turned Luke into a bum, and then they killed him off. People are also mad because Rey knocked Luke on his rear end when she is only a beginner who hasn't had any training and Luke is the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy, at least he was supposed to be. Most people also thought that it was kind of dumb that they killed off the main antagonist in the movie, Snoke, before the trilogy was over. All of these are the same things that Mark Hamill hated as well.
@@TheGrace2009 I definitely think all of this is valid and can see why it would piss people off… but I also think the cause of this was the fact that they waited so damn long to use Luke, Leia, and Han again
@@thatnerdtaraYou kinda hit the nail on the head there. With the death of Han, then Luke, and the ACTUAL death of Carrie Fisher, we never saw all 3 at the same time.
@@thatnerdtaraAnd yes, Mark Hamill himself was horrified by the treatment of the character. While promoting the movie, he looked like he was going to fall apart. Lastly, opening the movie with yo momma jokes was just…..meh. :/
Thank you, Tara! 🌠 I'm glad you appreciate this one. I love it, too. I think you'll enjoy EPISODE IX, as well. 🔸 Here's hoping your 2025 surpasses all expectation. 🎆
First, Happy 2025 to you. I have a hard time with this movie because I believe it doesn't stay true to who Luke was. He was the only person who believed in Anakin Skywalker. He had faith when everyone else didn't, then he suddenly can't see any good in his own nephew and tries to murder him? And failing that he runs off where no one can find him to be a hermit? No, I don't buy it. And then there's the Leia in space.
Why would anyone hate this movie? Let me take a swing at it. Star Wars Fans: How did this great franchise die? Lucas: "Your Star Wars... was seduced by Disney. It ceased to be the greatest story ever and 'became' the DEI vehicle for Disney's future. When that happened, the great story that was once Star Wars was destroyed". I'll try to cover VII and VIII. 1. Overpowered nobody is magically a great pilot and warrior. 2. The main antagonist is a temperamental teenager, and almost loses a Lightsaber battle to a non Force user, the loses a Lightsaber battle to an untrained Force user. 3. Han dies, and Chewie and Leia don't even acknowledge it together. Chewbacca gets back and just runs right by her as Leia hugs Rey. 4. Lightsaber toss and titty monster milk. 5. Princess Poppins....as Leia "floats" through space, all she needed was a little umbrella. 6. The only stormtrooper that has defected, apparently still has bad aim, unless he's fighting the main antagonist in a form he's unfamiliar with. Oh and he yells REY! real loud at least 3 to four times a movie. Worse than Shia LeBouf yelling OPTIMUS!. 7. Said ex-stormtrooper is finally going to do some good, by sacrificing himself to destroy the enemy's big weapon. Nope, cancel that, here comes the selfish lovestruck pilot crashing into him (neither die unfortunately, or should I say "shockingly") just to "save" him. 🙄 8. The 9th movie, tries to undermine the entire first 6 movies. But since you haven't watched that yet....
tara, anakin was shmi's son, in the opera, the chancellor told him about darth plagueis, and how he could manipulate the midichorians to create life, and shmi said there was no father and obi wan said that ani's midichlorian count was off the charts, and the chancellor said that darth plagueius was killed in his sleep by his apprentice, how would he know that unless he was the apprentice or his master was and told him, which means he knew how to manipulate midichlorians and he did it to shmi, who was a slave girl on tatooine, who better to test the procedure on, and they played sith music when they panned to shmi after qui gon learned about ani's high count. which would make anakin , emperor palpatine's son, and that makes luke and leia the emperor's grand children, and ben and rey are the great grand children
tara, rey and ben are connected, luke's xwing was in the water on the island, he needs r2 to fly it, leia had r2 in the last movie, she was looking for luke, rey's parents were together when they left her, in the last movie , Rey had a doll of an Xwing pilot, and a snow speeder helmet, who do we know that was an Xwing pilot that also flew on Hoth the snow planet? kylo ren's name is ben, leia never met obi wan, and han only met him briefly, luke knew ben kenobi his whole life. why would han name his son after someone he barely knew. at the end of empire strikes back, luke and leia are two young people who kissed alone together on a spaceship with nothing to do... , then in return of the jedi, after luke tells leia that they are siblings, she isn't happy , she is sollen. why? when han asks her, she can't tell him, because she can't tell him she cheated on him with her brother, and now she is sad because she has to somehow get rid of the child, because incest is shamed upon in japanese culture, and star wars is based off of japanese culture, so i think she got rid of one and kept the other and told han it was his.
Definition of a Mary Sue: A character who always wins, doesn't grow as a person, and lacks motivation or personality. Don’t compare Anakin to Rey. Rey is the very definition of a Mary Sue. Anakin developed as a character, eventually becoming Vader. A few key examples: - The death of his mother and its lasting impact on him. - The development of his relationships with Kenobi and Palpatine. - His fear of Padmé's death. Key word: Development! In storytelling, there’s something called “want” and “need.” Anakin wanted to save Padmé, but what he needed to do was accept death as a natural part of life. He couldn’t do that, and his desire consumed him. Now compare that to Rey. What does Rey *want*? And here’s the problem: it’s hard to pinpoint. You might say, “She wants to be a Jedi,” but then I’d ask, why? Rey doesn’t have well-defined motivations, which should be a basic element of her character. Additionally, Rey progresses from point A to point B in the story without any real growth as a character and still achieves success after success. This is the very definition of a Mary Sue. Even Daisy Ridley, the actress who played Rey, struggled to describe her, saying only that Rey is "good." But being “good” is an outcome, not a personality. The fact that Ridley could only say that Rey is "good" highlights the lack of clearly defined traits or depth in her character. On top of that, we have the absolute destruction of Luke Skywalker as a character. What we got wasn’t Luke-it was “Jake Skywalker,” as Mark Hamill himself called it. If the actor who is Luke doesn’t believe in this version, why should we? Luke was an optimist who refused to fight his father, choosing instead to fight for his redemption. But here, he has a bad dream and considers murdering his nephew. Later, his sister needs his help, and he allows her to die. What is this? This is the foundation of Kylo Ren’s story, and it’s fundamentally broken. Whoever came up with this idea should be banned from writing anything ever again. In addition, the main villain - Snoke, died. I wonder what will happen in the trilogy that had absolutely no plan. The only somewhat decent character is Kylo Ren, but even he suffers. His line about "killing the past" comes out of nowhere because a different director had a conflicting vision for him. In The Force Awakens, he idolized Vader and wanted to be like him. In The Last Jedi, without proper development, he suddenly doesn’t want to be like Vader anymore. The closest thing to character development we get is Snoke mocking him and telling him to take off the mask because he looks like a clown. That’s not well-written character growth.
I can't begin to tell u were u are wrong at. ( As u brought up wants and needs by the way. Rey wanted Kylo to turn back to the light but the story needed him to make that choice himself so not to remove Rey or Ben's agency in the story. Agency through choices shows the depths of a character. ) I don't know whether to start with the false Mary sue claim. ( Reys goal was for Luke to train her and he didn't want to so that's a fail, next she goes to Kylo to turn him but that doesn't work out for her aka another failure. If this a Mary sue to u, u need to go revaluate your points on the matter cuz Rey accomplished none of her goals she still at point a. ) or that just because Daisy can't name and traits that Rey has off the top of her head ( like how Rey is determined, fierce, quick on her feet, a survivor since she lived as a scrapper slave since she was 6 ) makes your claim valid to spread a false narrative.
@@godkingsosa6811 Thanks for recognizing my views and opinions as false narrative... You say that Rey wanted to drag Kylo into the light. But why? Because she's good? Because there's a Dyad argument? Because she has a crush? Each of these arguments is weak and doesn't strengthen her or give the impression of solid character development. Her arc had an outline of the need to belong. If Rey had repeatedly emphasized how much she wanted to be a Jedi to help her new family in The Force Awakens, her training with Luke and subsequent actions would have made sense, but that wasn't the case. If Rey had been rejected by her new family like Luke did, her joining Kylo would have made sense. If Rey had recognized that she needed Kylo to defeat Snoke, it would have made sense, but it would have had to be emphasized that Rey wanted to kill him because she perhaps lost someone, meybe parents... something. Instead, Rey has no highlighted strong motivations. The principle of want and need doesn't work with her. And it's great that you list her flaws, but a flaw becomes a flaw if there are consequences. And here's another key words Rey never faces consequences. Anakin: Yes Luke: Yes Flaws should be used for want and need to emphasize motivations and give her a chance to learn nad develop but her flaws are ignored or even glorified sometimes (I'm talking more about episode 9 here)
@@hehu4025 u are entitled to your own opinions that's all I'll say. The war on Rey and the sequels has been going on since 2015. All your nitpicks are opinion based and have counter arguments to them, No need to continue this pointless discussion.
tara you didn't show it, but at 4 min when Kylo is in the red room, some monks are in black and one of them has yellow eyes, if you've seen the movie Weekend at Bernies, Snoke has a hugem gash on his forehead which would surely kill any species, so i think he is dead and is being puppeted by the monk in black... th-cam.com/video/1rHyf0FBvt4/w-d-xo.html
So let me piss off a bunch of people. This is honestly from a storytelling perspective the best written Star Wars movie. Most of the movies suffer from poor writing. Ryan Johnson from Knives Out to Looper to this movie is a show of a mastery of film writing. The problem is that most Star Wars fans are use to poor story form. Even my personal favorite Star Wars movies, the original three, are not well written stories. Lucas himself says he is not a great writer but he could tell an entertaining story. This was just a well made story and in filmmaking circles considered the best told story on par with Rogue One. The thing people do not like is that this movie turns all the stories up to this point on their ears. Johnson did something that needed to be done which is go in a new direction and destroy the old story lines and build new ones to grow on. Star Wars fans in general hate change and hate creativity in their Star Wars stories. They want their memories reaffirmed of the first time they watched Star Wars. It has been past time to move on. The next movie which is done by JJ Abrams is an example of the exact opposite of what Johnson was trying to do. Abrams gave fans what they wanted in nostalgia and created in my opinion the single worst Star Wars story.
@@rnkelly36 I haven’t watched the next one yet but this is basically the same thing my brother said when we talked about it! I’m going to keep an open mind though 😳
@@thatnerdtara Keep an open mind with it. I have some thoughts. There are parts I enjoyed and have the memory feels for. In large part I want to ask Abram why he went that way. Why not keep going with something new? It was an opportunity to launch new stories and he kind of missed the mark in my opinion. They would have done better leaving Johnson as the creative director for the last movie. Star Wars fans would have still complained but I have come to the conclusion that some people in major fandoms will never be happy and keep trying to get that original movie experience back which is impossible to do.
@@kunserndsittizen2655 When you talk writing you are talking character changes, plot changing, is a problem created and solved, is there good development. What you are saying is you did not like a story choice. Its like people who complain about Lord of the Rings and say why did Galdalf not get the Eagles to fly Frodo into Mordor. Well because is a story and you want to create drama. Its also fiction and fantasy. Suspension of disbelief is a serious thing in these types of stories.
tara i like this movie, the action figure assortment for this movie sucked, the characters in the casino were all human and in tuxedos, yeah that screams fun action figure, , that was my only qualm with the movie
As a 65 year old Star Wars devotee, I too enjoyed this movie and it did make sense. I wanted Rey to become what Yoda said to Obi Wan Kenobi when Obi said Luke was our last hope and Yoda replied no "there is another" and I knew it wasn't Leia.
First Happy New Year 2025 🎉!! Tara! The Director left the mystery to us viewers of who attack first Luke or Kylo, I wish the Director would have told us on the movie but there you go. Side Note: on the books Darth Plagues the Wise (Palpatine’s Sith Master) wanted to live for ever he would use Dark Magic with Sith Alchemy, so one day accidentally created Anakin; you have to assume The Force works in mysterious ways that Anakin’s Medichlorians were transferred to Shmi Skywalker’s uterus and you get the Virgin mom of Tatooine. The writers of the sequels rushed the Sequels and I know what you are going thru by watching this Sequels and being confused. TLJ is my only favorite, the next one for me has few steps back but you’ll see for yourself. I can’t wait for your thoughts on the next & in general how you feel about them. The Force Dyad is what we call the connection between Rey and Kylo.
First off, that's such a bullshit argument about it being a mystery. You conveniently ignore the scene where Luke describes that night a second time to Rey, only this time he tells her the truth about it, and the flashback with Luke's narration clearly shows what really happened between him and Ben. Secondly, the Darth Plagueis novel is not canon, and even before becoming a part of the Legends continuity, was only semi-canonical according to George Lucas. Thirdly, fucking spoilers dude!
This movies has SO many twists and turns, so many surprises that left me stunned. Loved the opening bomber sequence, Holdo's maneuver, Luke's Force astro projection took me by complete surprise, though I was also wondering how he got there. What better way to show Luke as a true Jedi Master by having him do a move other Jedi has never yet attempted in the stories we've watched so far. Luke's line "Strike me down in anger and I'll always be with you, just like your father is quite true is such a good turn on the classic line and idea of "a jedi uses the force for knowledge and defence, never for attack" - Yoda. Killing family of course leaves psychological consequences and guilt. Luke telling that was a further step on Ben's journey to get him where he ends up. I had such an invested theater experience watching it for the first time. Saw it with my stepdad before he passed away. Last movie we saw in a theater together.
Love it! Congratulations! You get it so many don't. You called something but I won't say what. One of the first who has 😊. I think you'll like the next one best and bring TISSUES😂
tara the prophecy said that the chosen one would bring balance to the force, he did, after order 66, there were only 2 jedi and 2 sith left, so the force was balanced
tara, i think Poe is a clone, i think he died on jaccu and leia had another one of him reprinted, there is cloning in star wars , there was a movie called Attack of the Clones, in the early 1980s,,. i read a star wars book for kids and it had pictures and it was about senators being kidnapped by flying limosines, like the flying cars we saw on coruscant in the phantom menace movie and then a clone of that senator would calmly get out of the limosine, so i think someone was kidnapping senators and replacing them with obedient clones of the senators to sway votes in the senate, maybe that is how palpatine knew he would get elected as supreme chancellor, someone said that they were in contact with the cloners long before obi wan found out about them
The last is without any doubt the most well written film with great pacing and storyline and I'm glad you didn't let the internet spoil your mind ❤ That's the whole reason I'm watching and following your reactions...keep watching and don't bother with what the internet says May the force be with you beautiful 💞
I think it just didn't go how people expected so thats where the hate train started. When in fact it was the most "star wars" movie of the three. 7 was a copy and 9 was rushed. This was the best one.
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The Last Jedi is the finest Star Wars movie ever made. This made me tear up in theatre multiple times, Luke seeing R2 again, Yoda's final teachings, Luke's sacrifice. I am glad you genuinely loved this film as much as I did. People don't genuinely hate this movie, they were told to and decided to think as herd instead of individuals. The Last Jedi will forever be my favourite Star Wars movie.
Good for you for giving the sequels a fair shot, I'm glad you enjoyed them. Too many "fans" just like to crap on anything that isn't OT.
oh come on that's pure nonsense lol
I don't even know what quality this is and what I uploaded it at but it finally passed the checks so it IS WHAT IT IS!! I LOVED this movie!!
@@thatnerdtara happy you found this movie good. Can’t say the same. I think a better twist at the end of this movie, would have been if Rey had joined Kylo. And Luke had survived and would go on to train Finn and others. My personal opinion at least.
Same thought it was a great movie
Glad you enjoyed it. It was by far the best of the 3 movies. I saw it in theaters 7 times, force awakens and rise of Skywalker only 3 each.
This is my favorite of the sequel movies and either 4th or 5th favorite Star Wars movie overall. I always get heat for saying this but I won't back down because it's true. The main reason people dislike this movie is because it disproved fan theories that were rampant after The Force Awakens. J.J. Abrams invited these theories. That's what he does. But Rian Johnson went in a different direction. That doesn't make it a bad movie. When the movie came out, the fandom also cited a few other reasons for disliking the movie. Mainly they said they didn't like the style of humor, Poe's call with General Hux and Luke drinking milk being prime examples. They also cited perceived plot holes, particularly the Holdo Maneuver. Oh yea, and Leia flying. They really hated that. I would place all of these criticisms in the category of nitpicks and to this day I believe people do not like this film because the plot is not how they would've written it. Eventually, fans gravitated around the theory that the depiction of Luke is inconsistent with how he was portrayed in the original trilogy. I beg to differ. I think this movie is entirely consistent with how Luke behaved in both A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back. And 30 years elapsed since then so if you can't use your imagination to see how Luke might revert to old habits, well, you don't have much of an imagination. Fans simply refused to accept the possibility that Luke just might have changed in 30 years, or maybe even just reverted back to how he used to be. Fans used this theory about Luke to justify their hatred of the movie. But really, they just wanted payoffs to their fan theories, particularly about Rey's parentage and the origins of Snoke, from Force Awakens. Everyone who hates this movie will call me a liar. But I know I'm right. I watched this all go down and I remember how it played out.
I hope You have not forgotten about My suggestions I relayed on potential future content, Tara! Happy New Year, by the way!
So Rian Johnson started this while JJ was finishing up with TFA. EVERY decision he made was cleared by JJ. George himself has stated that he ALWAYS wanted things to be "different" from what came before. So the nostalgia that was in TFA was very much "anti Lucas". This movie was VERY much written to go against the fan theories that were crafted in the years since TFA. And it PISSED people off. I personally LOVE that they were subverting expectations.
Happy New Year!
really enjoyed your reaction 👍☺ HAPPY NEW YEAR to you! 🥳🎉
7:35 little foreshadowing with the hologram of Snoke's ship as Leia saves herself...
New Year greetings & may the Force be with you, Tara! 😉
One of the first clues that Luke wasn’t really there is that he was using Anakin’s Lightsaber which was destroyed about 10 minutes ago
A lot of "fans" go into these movies thinking they're theirs to write, each expecting something different, rather than just enjoying them!
Some things in the sequels were decent, but it was mostly just a disorganized mess of political stuff. If people enjoy it I won't attack them for it, but it's just not what Star Wars should be and what it has been. It's nowhere near connected to the other movies and shows and nowhere near the same. Rey is way too overpowered for having absolutely no knowledge or training in the force and they butchered Luke's character.
There's no denying Rey is a Mary Sue. They're literally making her invincible and able to do anything. Luke had to go through some SERIOUS shit to be able to do anything REMOTELY close to what Rey is doing with borderline zero effort. This trilogy had no planning so if it seems like things are tied together in ep9, they're not. They made that up because JJ Abrams tried to undo what Rian Johnson did for ep8. The whole trilogy was a disorganized mess.
When Poe said "happy beeps here buddy come on", there's a lot of speculation that BB8 was saying "I've got a bad feeling about this" and I'm with them because we don't actually hear anyone say it at any other point in the movie.
At the 2:25 point in this video, and where the movie starts at that point, we hear a re-done version of the Battle of the Heroes theme, the music when Anakin and Obi-Wan were fighting. Might just be a coincidence that it sounds the same, but I do hear it clearly. A bit out of place though.
It still makes me *MAD* how they killed off Han. Luke's character is so not who he is too.
There is no way the people who made this movie didn't know what they were doing when they had Leia say "get your head out of your *cock* pit". 🤣🤣
I knew Chewie had a heart. He couldn't eat the Porg. 🥲
The scenes with Yoda were easily the best from the sequels. It felt the most like Star Wars, unlike the rest of it, lol.
The music that played when Snoke was sucking the information out of Rey was a different version of the Emperor's theme.
So as it turns out, Finn Poe and Rose's plan backfired, badly.
When Luke projected himself across all of the galaxy, it was his older self, the last time he was seen by anyone, including Ben Solo and Leia. He was much older when we actually saw him on the island so it makes sense.
Tara, l can't wait for you to react to the Rise of Skywalker!
In the battle against Kylo Ren, Luke did a dopplegänger. It was a very difficult Jedi skill, typical of very strong and experienced masters. He projected himself from the planet of Ahch-To (that´s why his semblance was different from reality, much younger and as they remembered him since he went into exile). He spent his last strength giving the rebellion a new chance... then, in front of those two suns (like in Tatooine) ... he became "one with the Force".
There is no such thing as "doing a doppelganger." What Luke did was Force projection.
Tara, I will NOT lie to you. When I saw this movie in theaters..... I walked out of the theater repeatedly saying, "WTF did I just watch?!" Because it SO undermined everything set up in The Force Awakens. It honestly took me dozens of viewings to finally "understand" the story it was trying to tell. To me, that does make it the weakest Star Wars movie of them all, so far (and hopefully, it will stay that way). Is it a "bad" movie? No..... but it's a confusing one if you consider the expectations made previously.
IMHO, this is the problem with not having an overarching story in place before you begin a trilogy. Not the entire thing written, but major plot points. You can define details later, as Lucas did. But this was a "write it as you go" trilogy, and it (again, IMHO) suffers from that.
What do you think it undermines about TFA?
@@thatnerdtarathe biggest thing I didn’t like with this movie, is that Luke didn’t have a bigger role to play In it. Also where he ends up, depressed, alone, and giving up on hope, just didn’t fill to me and others like a natural progression of his character. Even Mark Hamill didn’t agree with the way Luke went. And he other than George Lucas would know Luke better than anyone. And the fact he momentarily thought to kill Ben just for being tempted to the dark side. But yet he never gave up on his father. Who he had no reason to believe in him, because all he knew was Darth Vader. But yet, his nephew who was as far we know was good, but was being tempted by evil? Yeah just kill him. Makes no sense. My opinion.
@@Brandoloian well that’s not where Luke’s character ends at the end of this movie, you realizes his mistakes and failures through Yoda and Rey, I think this movie with everything he says and does, the way he is optimistic and believe believes in the Jedi again and believes he will not be the last one, he literally reignites the spark that Leia says was out in this movie, the spark of hope, would you even see reflected in the kids that they own this movie in the worst possible place in life but yet they’re still filled with Hope from the legend of Luke Skywalker, as for the Ben thing, I’ve heard this argument played multiple times, but to me it’s still rings true to Luke’s character at his core to me, Luke is a character who for better or worse, doesn’t think twice when it comes to the people he loves, you look at Vader in episode six this man that he has said multiple times to multiple people that there is good in him, and that he can be turned as soon as he threatens his sister he doesn’t think twice about nearly killing him, from cutting his arm off to having the saber to his throat, he came that close to killing a man. He attended multiple times to be good. It’s a direct reflection of the scene in this movie in the hut. Luke looks into his mind and seized “the destruction, pain and death of everything he loves” what I think is the most important thing, that everyone forgets is that Luke doesn’t kill Ben. It’s just that blindside to the people he loves that doesn’t let him think sometimes, and if anything shows growth of the character from episode six, he almost killed his father and would’ve done it if the emperors cackled and snap them out out of it, here he is able to stop himself, if you have someone you love in your life ask yourself how far you’ll go for them right now, then ask yourself how far you think you’ll go for them in 20 years, it’s probably gonna be the same. Anyway, I love Luke in this movie.
@@thatnerdtara To make a long story short, it throws everything that JJ set up for the follow up to his film out of the window. It went out of it's way to do so in some cases, like Luke throwing the saber over his shoulder almost as soon as the movie opens, compared to TFA ending on that scene 5 seconds prior. That would probably be the most obvious example among many. What that left JJ with when he went to do TRoS was... pandemonium. He pulled inspiration from Dark Empire in an attempt to correct course, but it didn't work that well. I can say he probably could have done worse, but I did not enjoy TRoS as far as what we got. TLJ is what caused that to happen.
@@thatnerdtara Without spoilers for Episode IX (which, I will say, I liked better than VIII, though I *DO* think it should have been 45 minutes longer to slow the pace slightly and explain a few things that the other media had to do later on): We know that the New Republic's government was decimated in TFA, but there HAD to be some kind of "contingency" plan for the continuation of government. Not just "The First Order has pretty much taken over".
Luke tossing his father's lightsaber (that Rey handed him) away like he did was just.... "out of character". No explanation at all for that. Yes, he built a new one for Episode VI... but his father meant a lot to him, which is why he was able to redeem him in the end.
Some things not "undermined", but.... questionable as far as writing goes (again, IMHO) was the lack of fuel for the Resistance fleet. I didn't mind the "tracking through hyperspace" plot point, that made decent sense, technology wise. But "not enough fuel"? They always had enough fuel on hand for their fleets.
That "side mission" to the gambling planet could have EASILY been avoided if Holdo had just been HONEST about having a plan. Details need not be handed out willy nilly.... but just assure your people that you actually HAVE one. They needed HOPE. A good leader would do that, even if it wasn't actually true.
Rose smashing her ship into Finn's ship was just stupid. She's lucky she didn't kill them both. That isn't "saving what you love", that's "killing yourself and who you claim to love"...
I didn't mind Luke's "my student betrayed me" arc, but that he outright LIED to Rey about it initially before retreating to that island and cutting himself off from The Force. Another thing "out of character" with zero explanation. I can "kinda" see the plot point of "Luke drew his saber"..... but I question if he actually ignited it. Also, why didn't the newly anointed Kylo Ren kill Luke when he had the chance?
To say something POSITIVE about the movie: The "Holdo Maneuver", jumping a ship to hyperspace and hitting a targeted ship RIGHT before reaching the hyperspace threshold was actually brilliant.... but there's a drawback to it. Why can't/won't that tactic be used in the future? That's the drawback to doing something THAT creative, strategically. Once you do it, it will be questioned on when to do it again. A highly damaged ship and an expendable droid...... BOOM.
I'm not crapping on the movie. As I said, it took me several watches to fully understand where they were going with it. But that was the first time watching a Star Wars movie that I ever left the theater..... not excited for the next movie..... but wondering what I just watched. And I've seen EVERY Star Wars movie in theaters, the OT in '77, '80, '83 (several times each), then again with the re-releases and Special Editions in '97. The Prequel Trilogy in '99, 2002, 2005, and everything made since. I'll even say that Rogue One had me feeling like the 10 year old kid I was watching the original 1977 movie in theaters all over again.
Believe me, I was not alone in being confused by the movie on first watch. But most people refused to watch it ever again. At least I did, and many times, to try and make it make sense to me. I was finally able to do so, to a point... but I still have some issues with it. Of course, one could find mistakes and plot points in every Star Wars movie that can make them "unenjoyable" if you want to. Me? I love Star Wars, and have since I was 10 years old. I do my best to TRY and love what we're given! Many fans panned The Acolyte, but I absolutely LOVED that series, because I understood it. I actually have a connection to the story of that series (which I won't get into.... because "spoilers"). I'll explain that when you get to it.
As disappointed as I was with The Last Jedi on first watch, I have come to appreciate it more over the years. I still think it's the "weakest" of the 11 movies (so far).... but it's still not as bad as the Holiday Special. And I *LOVED* that when it aired in 1978!! But it was a product of its time..... and has not held up very well. 11 year old me flipped out over it.... 53 year old me (when I watched it a second time) wanted to go to the UK, find The Doctor, get a quick ride in the TARDIS back to 1978, and slap the ever loving crap out of 11 year old me. ;) (If you ever watch that Holiday Special... you'll understand why I'm saying that.)
In the prequels, Palpatine alluded to the thought that his master was so in league with the Force that he could 'even create life'...from midichlorians... so Anakin was possibly created by Darth Plagueis.
Before some expanded lore was de-canonized, the explanation was that Plagueis was experimenting and influencing the midichlorions. The living Force, in response to what he was doing, created Anakin Skywalker to bring balance. So, rather than Plagueis intentionally creating Anakin, it's a little more like he was created in response TO what Plagueis was doing. But this was largely de-canonized, so I don't know what the current explanation is.
Yoda still out here dropping jewels of wisdom. So great to see him again.
Other than the casino planet I think this movie is very good. Much deeper than most of the others.
Glad you enjoyed it. Your enjoyment was infectious
The reason this movie gets a lot of hate is it feels like Rian Johnson did his own stand-alone Star Wars movie in the middle of a trilogy. I liked a lot of the story but it felt almost completely disconnected from the other two movies. JJ Abbrams comes back to direct the 3rd movie and it feels like he spends most of the movie trying to undo almost everything Ryan did here. That makes the 3rd movie feel too much like a part 2 with no end to wrap everything up properly.
Rian and The Last Jedi was the only one of the three that tried to do something new, so I'll give them that credit. The stupidity from the start was that they didn't plan what the trilogy was going to be and JJ refused to commit to a trilogy - and why I have no sympathy or respect for him and his choice to return and undo this one. TLJ feels disconnected because it deviated from expectations (in a good but unsatisfying way, imo), but the sequels were an unorganised mess from the gate and nothing was going to make them great because of how willfully mismanaged it all was. It didn't help any storytelling that TFA was just a dull redo of ANH either.
TLJ felt like Battlestar - and I enjoyed what Rian attempted with it, and the more nuanced angle he approached it from, but it didn't serve well as a trilogy piece. What JJ returned and did just solidified it as a bad trilogy. The wrap up feels unsatisfying because they had no idea what story they were telling to build towards.
@@thegreatsagesunIt might've tried to do something new but failed.
This is my favourite episode of the sequel trilogy. Loved your reaction.
Easily the best of the sequel trilogy.
glad I'm not alone in this. Great film.
Love this movie so much, loved your reaction
I think the most charitable way to refer to this particular movie is divisive. It looked absolutely gorgeous, but in terms of the narrative it threw away every lead it had because it wanted to buck the convention/expectation from fans, solely for those reasons. Not only was it selfish on Rian's part, but it doomed the rest of the ST to mediocrity. The story in this one isn't very good, and it only gets exponentially worse in TRoS in order to clean up this mess. At least I can appreciate the sound & the visuals, and some of the new ship & alien designs. I try to be positive when it comes to this era of SW.
But one thing that really bothers me with this particular film. They hyped the hell out of this character Tallie, the female A-wing pilot that gets blown up after maybe 10 seconds of screen time. They gave her a whole thing in the SW Battlefront game and a front & center spot in a few TV ads, etc. What was up with that marketing decision?
If you want to keep the Force Dyad concept in SW, maybe tone it down a bit, etc. the best place to put it would have been Ezra & Sabine if we keep her being a Force sensitive, assuming we don't just create new characters to do that with. That would have legitimately been cool. This implementation with Rey & Kylo was just... lame. Even worse in TRoS to be honest.
I mean, Rebels was airing at that point in time, and I distinctly remember Hera engaging hyperdrive through a space station hangar in one episode shortly before the film released, very similar to the stupid Holdo Maneuver except making 100% more sense; she escaped the blockade and destroyed the garrison by jumping through the gate. I remember telling my friend that hadn't watched Rebels something kind of similar had been done before, if only like 2-3 weeks prior to TLJ coming out or whatever it was. We were discussing it on the ride home from the theater on the initial watch.
I don't think I've seen this brought up before cause I don't really pay attention to ST discussion, but Luke dying from that projection can be taken a few ways. The one I remember seeing thrown around the most is that it exerted too much energy or he was on a time limit with an ability of that extent. After watching this reaction I think I'm going with Luke's projection has the caveat of if he takes any damage it's an Instant Death so to speak. I think he let Kylo strike him on purpose knowing he was done for if that happened, and hoping that psychologically it might break through to him. I think that in an alternate version of this story, Luke could have easily ended Kylo right then & there without dying himself.
What did I not like? A lot. mostly anything that has to do with the actual storytelling in this movie. You don't get Rey="Mary Sue" vibes? She's a self insert good at everything character, you don't have to put a catchphrase on it. There's no explanation for why she's so good, she just is. Finn would have been cool if they stuck to his original ex-Stormtrooper that's possibly Force sensitive angle, but they ditched that like 10 minutes after he was introduced. Hell, I wouldn't even mind if Finn & Poe were the first real gay SW mains, I'd prefer that to "I can do anything I can Imagine" Rey driving the narrative while relegating the more interesting characters to bit parts and jokes.
Let's be honest too, the 15mph space chase was a stupid plot point and Crait I think it's spelled could have done without the absolutely pointless salt-skiff things. You're already repurposing every design from the OT, repurpose the T-47 Airspeeders, just make those with modern models since the base is supposed to be from the same time period as Hoth, etc.
The short answer is viewers these days generally don't like being challanged especially when it comes to beloved franchises and The Last Jedi challanges a lot about star wars. Legends fans wanted to see the op version we know from legends not the deconstructed layered one we got. Because you're a new fan you don't have these biases so you're more open minded.
Kotor 2 probably would be hated if it came out today.
My thoughts about this movie is that it subverts expectations in a way that is a mockery for established fans.
Luke being a grumpy beat down old man and not the Hero we expected, (Until the last part)
Snoke was made up to be as huge of a foil as the Emperor was, yet he is cut in half just like that?
for many the Canto Bite plot is an eyesore, but that I don't agree with.
Another upset is how the Director wiped the board with all the players so to speak, the movie reduces both the Resistance to a handful of people on the Millennium Falcon and the First Order to a fraction of its fleet.
As movie making goes, Rian Johnson makes nothing "bad". but the result feels like him blwoing rasberries to the fans.
It wasn't a mockery for me at all. I am a very well established fan who grew up with the originals in the 80s. I loved this film! ❤️ BUT I also respect all opinions I just like people to know that this claim is not universally true.
@PeteOliva did anything about what I said indicate it was a universal claim? I even start with "my thoughts on this...".
Hated TLJ when i saw it. All these years later that feeling hasn't changed one bit.
visually it is amazing but I believe people expected a more grand story for Luke.
I personally think he got the grandest possible ending to his arc. 🤷🏻♂️ I honestly can't think of anything that would have been more powerful. I am kind of bummed that JJ killed Han before he could see Luke again though, but I'm not going to hate something just because it didn't turn out the way I wanted.
Probably one of my favorites, if not my absolute favorite. I love what it did with Luke’s story and the idea and value of legend/myth, and Mark did incredible work with the role.
My random fun little trivia bits:
- BB-8’s beeps in the opening is said to be the “I’ve got a bad feeling about this.”
- When Snoke slams Hux on the ground, the stunt double was so committed to the move and the number of takes that he broke his nose.
- Laura Dern, who played Holdo, kept saying “pew” with the blaster.
I love the last Jedi (waits for bombardment of hate comments at me lol)
This movie is amazing. Grifters just made a lot of money by spewibg clickbait hate
I don't get the hate for this trilogy all of them are great movies.
Tara, the majority of the major criticisms out there are bs arguments from people being willfully ignorant/obtuse, have no qualms about lying or misrepresenting scenes for reasons, or just plain hate Disney Star Wars for reasons. I've already seen some brought up under this video. Luke being so quick to try and kill his nephew, as if the scene where he admits the truth to Rey as to what really happened that night (you know, the 3rd version of that scene) didn't happen, or that Luke running away from everything was "out of character", when one of his biggest character flaws, is that he was prone to suffering from a crisis of confidence (and Mark Hamill later retracted his criticisms of Rian Johnson and TLJ, which some people will tell you he was "forced" to do by Disney, but I don't buy that for a second). TLJ and Rian Johnson aren't the ones to undermine TFA and JJ Abrams, The Lucasfilm Story Group undermined the whole trilogy by not having a cohesive roadmap for it. It also didn't help that JJ Abrams was not initially set to direct Episode IX, it was supposed to be Colin Trevorrow and JJ Abrams did kind of shoot himself in the foot by dropping various teases that later didn't pay off (which is a constant and valid criticism of him). Like any movie there are valid criticisms, but the loudest ones I've seen can often be refuted by actually paying attention to the movie with some level of critical thinking.
Tara…Anakin was created by a vergence in the Force. A vergence is a powerful concentration of Force energy that can be centered around a person, object, or place. Qui-Gon mentioned this in Episode 1. The Acolyte series centers around and explains the vergence more. The main reason fans didn’t like this film was due to the way Luke was depicted. Most fans wanted to see Luke as this all powerful superhero Jedi that would fight Kylo, Snoke and save the day. They weren’t looking for the old Luke full of emotional trauma & without hope. 😆 The only part of the film that I didn’t care for was the entire Cantù Bight act. That was a waste of storytelling and served no purpose in the end.
In this movie, I love that Poe was just wrong and that at the end he realised that he should have listened to Leia and the Admiral. The entire movie was basically a lesson for him to actually think before he acts. Although, a lot of people were pissed off because it basically made their entire mission pointless.
My main issue with the sequel trilogy was Disney’s idea to have three separate writers/directors for all three movies, and have no structure for them to follow from each other. So all the set ups JJ did in the first movie, Rian swerved from (such as Rey’s parents), then when the final movie got switched back to JJ, he tried to include what he had alluded to in the first movie and it made little sense as Rian had swerved away from it previously. My second issue being what Rian did to Luke in this movie, even Mark Hamill was very publicly unhappy about it before he pretty much got told to shut up about it. The casting and characters in each movie I really enjoyed, and I can honestly say I enjoyed all three when I saw them at the cinema, however none are as good as the previous 6, in my opinion due to the lack of structure.
Poe did nothing wrong... at least not with the information he had.
I enjoyed the sequel trilogy. Is it what I wanted as a fan? No. There are a lot of Star Wars fans that have read or listened to the audio books and those stories were what most were expecting.
Luke started a new Jedi order and was a Grand Master like Yoda. Luke married and had a child. Han and Leia had 3 children.
According to Kathleen Kennedy and Disney they didn't have any source materials to go by, so these movies were what they came up with. If they would have done what happened in the books, I'm sure it would have been better and more profitable for them. They have lost a lot of fans because of the way they ignored those books.
I think that Rey miracle super powers are out of context. Luke deserves a better cinematographic ending. If you ask me, after this trilogy, the best character alive in STW is Ahsoka Tano.
She has no miracle powers. Never was presented as having any. She has as much Force as any other Jedi during The Clone Wars. Her being one of the only ones with The Force at this point in time makes her no more powerful than them, and that's acceptable, and welcome, and DUH.
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Um... yeeeeeeeeeeeeah.... about Hera and/or the Ghost... well, to quote River Song... Spoilers. 😛 The people that hate on these movies are mainly sexists that are pissed about a woman playing the lead character. The rest are annoyed that it didn't follow Star Wars Legends material, like Luke's still-going Jedi temple or his wife, Mara Jade Skywalker. I don't hate these movies, but I can understand why some fans are annoyed about the lack of Legends material. They brought Thrawn in from Legends for Rebels/Ahsoka, so why not Mara Jade for the Sequels?
It was so awesome seeing your reaction. Almost beat for beat, it echoes the ways that my kids love this movie.
It's just so unthinkable to me, as well, how people can hate this move with such fervor. And this is coming from a 43 year old lifelong Star Wars fan. Such a profound and powerful story.
It's actually my third-favorite film in the entire franchise and it's just such a thing of beauty to me. The next one is the one that kind of falters for me, and although I like the ending overall, there were many things in the movie I don't like mainly because they showcase JJ Abrams' worst filmmaking tendencies. I am not a fan of his as a filmmaker. He's such a shallow director, always goes for the low hanging fruit in terms of nostalgia and fan service. But it's still a decent film overall and has some great moments and a great conclusion.
I love your genuineness and am subbing to you immediately!!!
My first reaction of 2025 and not disappointed 🥳💖
It fails on a basic level. A slow OJ SIMPSON SPACE CHASE. The FIRST ORDER could’ve jumped ahead and destroyed the resistance.
"You're nothing" Remember that when the final line of this trilogy comes. It's what resolves the entire three movies and perhaps the entire SW story.
While I don't think I'll ever like/love this movie, its the only film of the trilogy I respect because of the filmmaking (i.e., the technical aspects of "The Holdo Maneuver") and because it has my 3 favorite scenes of the trilogy in it
Scene 1: Force Ghost Yoda. Beyond the overall message of the scene that someone is never too old to learn, I loved Yoda's use of Force Lightning. Whereas Sith/Dark Side characters have to put their whole body into shooting unnatural looking lightning from themselves, Yoda just has to lift a single finger and the heavens themselves open up to shot down powerful but natural lightning.
Scene 2: Phasma's extended death scene. Beside keeping up the Star Wars tradition of someone losing a hand in the second entry of a trilogy, I liked how Finn rightfully calls her out as a hypocrite for being a loyalty officer that tortures/executes her troops for slightest hints of disloyalty she easily sold out the First Order at Starkiller Base to save herself. We then see she did her job too well as her soldiers are willing to consider the accusations of a known traitor against her and she can't take the chance they'll believe Finn so her self-preservation instincts kick in which gives Finn the opening he needs.
Scene 3: Luke "on" Crait. In my opinion this and his Mandalorian fight against the Dark Troopers complement each other really well. In The Mandalorian he's channeling his father, a cunning warrior who dispatches "clankers" with style and flourish. In Last Jedi he's channeling Obi-Wan and Yoda and some of their first lessons to him ("Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them" and "Wars not make one great") to use the Force creatively to passively humiliate an army halfway across the Galaxy from him. Taken together the two scenes show how well rounded a Jedi that Luke has become.
1) The bombing run - There is no gravity in space to make bombs fall. Leading a bunch of slow-moving, defenseless bombers into position to drop thousands of kinetic weapons on a ship is utterly illogical and has no connection to anything else in Star Wars.
2) The whole of the resistance exists in that one fleet? Really? And the fleet is slowly peeled off as they drift ahead in space?
3) Laura Dern's character kept secrets just to make things dramatic. There is no actual reason for her actions.
4) Literally everything about Cantobite. From calling a known character with no relation to the plot for help (who's engaged in some random firefight) to looking for one particular hacker and finding some random also-capable guy in jail to the overly heavy-handed social commentary to the dopey chase scene... everything was disastrously terrible about the plot on that planet.
5) Luke's attitude and weak justifications for his perspective, Yoda "destroying" and mocking the books, Luke teaching 2 of 3 lessons.
6) Rey coming from nobodies is utterly asinine and doesn't fit in any way with any of the setup from Force Awakens.
7) BB-8 controlling a walker is nothing but fan-service, where Chopper doing the same thing would actually be acceptable because those two droids have different capabilities.
8) If Finn's driving full-speed at the "miniaturized death star tech" (also, what? How does he know this? How did they build this? If they have this, why aren't they firing it from space?), how did Rose get ahead to cut him off?
9) The death of Snoke was lazy.
There are more reasons, but those are some of the worst flaws with this film. It has some positives. Some of the comedy works well, the moment where the ships are destroyed by yet-another suicide run (a common theme among rebels/resistance) is fantastic, Luke's "appearance" in the final battle and his conversation with Kylo are all great. But the overarching problems with this movie are just too much.
You asked, why everyone hates this movie:
1) Luke’s Character is Completely Destroyed
Luke Skywalker, who believed there was good in Darth Vader, wouldn’t give up just because of a vision about Kylo Ren. That’s completely out of character and makes no sense.
2) The Leia “Mary Poppins” Scene
That scene where Leia floats through space? I felt physically ill. It was ridiculous and completely broke the immersion.
3) Pointless Subplots and Ridiculous Moments
The casino planet sequence was a waste of time, and Admiral Holdo’s hyperspace maneuver was flashy but nonsensical. Not to mention the opening scene with the bombers-what happened to B-wings?
4) Disrespecting the Expanded Universe
Everything I loved and grew up with in the Star Wars Expanded Universe was thrown away-Thrawn, Mara Jade, and countless other stories-all erased as if they never mattered. It felt like my childhood was invalidated.
5) No Grand “Thor Arrives in Wakanda” Moment
I wanted to see Luke in his prime, a Grand Master of the Jedi Order, using his powers one last time. I wanted a reunion of Luke, Leia, and Han. We got none of that. The Mandalorian’s “The Rescue” gave me the Luke Skywalker moment I’d been waiting for my entire life, but it should’ve been in the sequels.
6) Rey is a Mary Sue
We’ve had amazing strong female characters in Star Wars-Padmé, Leia, Ahsoka, Cara Dune-but Rey? She’s a Mary Sue. She defeats Kylo Ren without any training. Luke barely survived his first confrontation with Vader after extensive training, but Rey? Not a scratch. It’s absurd.
7)) What Was the Point of Snoke?
Snoke was hyped up as this mysterious Sith lord, only to be killed off easily with no explanation of who he was or why he mattered. His character was pointless.
The Rey Parentage Mystery Was a Letdown
8)At the time, I was so invested in finding out who Rey’s parents were. Was she a Kenobi? Luke and Mara Jade’s daughter? The fan theories were incredible, and honestly, so much better than the actual reveal. I won’t spoil it for those who haven’t seen it, but the answer was a massive disappointment.
9) The Big Question: Where Are Other Key Characters?
During all this chaos, where is Ahsoka Tano? Where’s Cal Kestis from Jedi: Fallen Order? These characters exist in the timeline and are integral to the galaxy, yet they’re ignored. And with Kyle Katarn erased from canon, it feels like so many fan-favorites were sidelined or forgotten.
This movie felt like it destroyed Star Wars for me. It took everything I loved about the saga and threw it in the trash. It wasn’t until The Mandalorian came along that I felt that spark of love for Star Wars again.
Fallen Order hadn't come out yet.
I love this movie, and never understood the hate. It's subtle and I know some people missed some of the details, because it wasn't spelled out for them.
Happy New Years Eve Tara!❤️ “ What the heck is going on?!”Yeah I was saying that through this whole movie too Tara. 😂
Same to you!
Awesome reaction! I liked The Force Awakens more than The Last Jedi, but this movie was good, had some incredible moments, and doesn’t deserve the criticism it gets.
TLJ is in my personal top 3. Rise of Skywalker is in my bottom 2...
The movie is terrible. The modern spin on humour since marvel had a hit with Guardians is just not funny anymore, especially in specific contexts where it just seems weird.
Garbage movie. Killed the franchise.
#RIPStarWars
Tara, even Mark Hamill hated this movie, and he especially hated what they did to Luke. People are mad because they turned Luke into a bum, and then they killed him off. People are also mad because Rey knocked Luke on his rear end when she is only a beginner who hasn't had any training and Luke is the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy, at least he was supposed to be. Most people also thought that it was kind of dumb that they killed off the main antagonist in the movie, Snoke, before the trilogy was over. All of these are the same things that Mark Hamill hated as well.
Does the name Kathleen kennedy ring a bell. Along with Ryan Johnson who was Kathleen kennedy stooge 😅
@@TheGrace2009 I definitely think all of this is valid and can see why it would piss people off… but I also think the cause of this was the fact that they waited so damn long to use Luke, Leia, and Han again
@@thatnerdtaraYou kinda hit the nail on the head there. With the death of Han, then Luke, and the ACTUAL death of Carrie Fisher, we never saw all 3 at the same time.
@@thatnerdtaraAnd yes, Mark Hamill himself was horrified by the treatment of the character. While promoting the movie, he looked like he was going to fall apart. Lastly, opening the movie with yo momma jokes was just…..meh. :/
I agree with you on so many levels! Its like they missed the whole point of what the original trilogy was all about!
Thank you, Tara! 🌠 I'm glad you appreciate this one. I love it, too. I think you'll enjoy EPISODE IX, as well. 🔸 Here's hoping your 2025 surpasses all expectation. 🎆
First, Happy 2025 to you. I have a hard time with this movie because I believe it doesn't stay true to who Luke was. He was the only person who believed in Anakin Skywalker. He had faith when everyone else didn't, then he suddenly can't see any good in his own nephew and tries to murder him? And failing that he runs off where no one can find him to be a hermit? No, I don't buy it.
And then there's the Leia in space.
Why would anyone hate this movie? Let me take a swing at it.
Star Wars Fans: How did this great franchise die?
Lucas: "Your Star Wars... was seduced by Disney. It ceased to be the greatest story ever and 'became' the DEI vehicle for Disney's future. When that happened, the great story that was once Star Wars was destroyed".
I'll try to cover VII and VIII.
1. Overpowered nobody is magically a great pilot and warrior.
2. The main antagonist is a temperamental teenager, and almost loses a Lightsaber battle to a non Force user, the loses a Lightsaber battle to an untrained Force user.
3. Han dies, and Chewie and Leia don't even acknowledge it together. Chewbacca gets back and just runs right by her as Leia hugs Rey.
4. Lightsaber toss and titty monster milk.
5. Princess Poppins....as Leia "floats" through space, all she needed was a little umbrella.
6. The only stormtrooper that has defected, apparently still has bad aim, unless he's fighting the main antagonist in a form he's unfamiliar with. Oh and he yells REY! real loud at least 3 to four times a movie. Worse than Shia LeBouf yelling OPTIMUS!.
7. Said ex-stormtrooper is finally going to do some good, by sacrificing himself to destroy the enemy's big weapon. Nope, cancel that, here comes the selfish lovestruck pilot crashing into him (neither die unfortunately, or should I say "shockingly") just to "save" him. 🙄
8. The 9th movie, tries to undermine the entire first 6 movies. But since you haven't watched that yet....
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tara, anakin was shmi's son, in the opera, the chancellor told him about darth plagueis, and how he could manipulate the midichorians to create life, and shmi said there was no father and obi wan said that ani's midichlorian count was off the charts, and the chancellor said that darth plagueius was killed in his sleep by his apprentice, how would he know that unless he was the apprentice or his master was and told him, which means he knew how to manipulate midichlorians and he did it to shmi, who was a slave girl on tatooine, who better to test the procedure on, and they played sith music when they panned to shmi after qui gon learned about ani's high count. which would make anakin , emperor palpatine's son, and that makes luke and leia the emperor's grand children, and ben and rey are the great grand children
tara, rey and ben are connected, luke's xwing was in the water on the island, he needs r2 to fly it, leia had r2 in the last movie, she was looking for luke, rey's parents were together when they left her, in the last movie , Rey had a doll of an Xwing pilot, and a snow speeder helmet, who do we know that was an Xwing pilot that also flew on Hoth the snow planet? kylo ren's name is ben, leia never met obi wan, and han only met him briefly, luke knew ben kenobi his whole life. why would han name his son after someone he barely knew. at the end of empire strikes back, luke and leia are two young people who kissed alone together on a spaceship with nothing to do... , then in return of the jedi, after luke tells leia that they are siblings, she isn't happy , she is sollen. why? when han asks her, she can't tell him, because she can't tell him she cheated on him with her brother, and now she is sad because she has to somehow get rid of the child, because incest is shamed upon in japanese culture, and star wars is based off of japanese culture, so i think she got rid of one and kept the other and told han it was his.
Definition of a Mary Sue: A character who always wins, doesn't grow as a person, and lacks motivation or personality.
Don’t compare Anakin to Rey. Rey is the very definition of a Mary Sue.
Anakin developed as a character, eventually becoming Vader. A few key examples:
- The death of his mother and its lasting impact on him.
- The development of his relationships with Kenobi and Palpatine.
- His fear of Padmé's death.
Key word: Development!
In storytelling, there’s something called “want” and “need.”
Anakin wanted to save Padmé, but what he needed to do was accept death as a natural part of life. He couldn’t do that, and his desire consumed him.
Now compare that to Rey. What does Rey *want*?
And here’s the problem: it’s hard to pinpoint. You might say, “She wants to be a Jedi,” but then I’d ask, why? Rey doesn’t have well-defined motivations, which should be a basic element of her character.
Additionally, Rey progresses from point A to point B in the story without any real growth as a character and still achieves success after success.
This is the very definition of a Mary Sue.
Even Daisy Ridley, the actress who played Rey, struggled to describe her, saying only that Rey is "good." But being “good” is an outcome, not a personality. The fact that Ridley could only say that Rey is "good" highlights the lack of clearly defined traits or depth in her character.
On top of that, we have the absolute destruction of Luke Skywalker as a character.
What we got wasn’t Luke-it was “Jake Skywalker,” as Mark Hamill himself called it.
If the actor who is Luke doesn’t believe in this version, why should we?
Luke was an optimist who refused to fight his father, choosing instead to fight for his redemption. But here, he has a bad dream and considers murdering his nephew. Later, his sister needs his help, and he allows her to die.
What is this? This is the foundation of Kylo Ren’s story, and it’s fundamentally broken. Whoever came up with this idea should be banned from writing anything ever again.
In addition, the main villain - Snoke, died. I wonder what will happen in the trilogy that had absolutely no plan.
The only somewhat decent character is Kylo Ren, but even he suffers. His line about "killing the past" comes out of nowhere because a different director had a conflicting vision for him.
In The Force Awakens, he idolized Vader and wanted to be like him. In The Last Jedi, without proper development, he suddenly doesn’t want to be like Vader anymore. The closest thing to character development we get is Snoke mocking him and telling him to take off the mask because he looks like a clown.
That’s not well-written character growth.
I can't begin to tell u were u are wrong at. ( As u brought up wants and needs by the way. Rey wanted Kylo to turn back to the light but the story needed him to make that choice himself so not to remove Rey or Ben's agency in the story. Agency through choices shows the depths of a character. ) I don't know whether to start with the false Mary sue claim. ( Reys goal was for Luke to train her and he didn't want to so that's a fail, next she goes to Kylo to turn him but that doesn't work out for her aka another failure. If this a Mary sue to u, u need to go revaluate your points on the matter cuz Rey accomplished none of her goals she still at point a. ) or that just because Daisy can't name and traits that Rey has off the top of her head ( like how Rey is determined, fierce, quick on her feet, a survivor since she lived as a scrapper slave since she was 6 ) makes your claim valid to spread a false narrative.
@@godkingsosa6811 Thanks for recognizing my views and opinions as false narrative...
You say that Rey wanted to drag Kylo into the light. But why?
Because she's good?
Because there's a Dyad argument?
Because she has a crush?
Each of these arguments is weak and doesn't strengthen her or give the impression of solid character development.
Her arc had an outline of the need to belong.
If Rey had repeatedly emphasized how much she wanted to be a Jedi to help her new family in The Force Awakens, her training with Luke and subsequent actions would have made sense, but that wasn't the case.
If Rey had been rejected by her new family like Luke did, her joining Kylo would have made sense.
If Rey had recognized that she needed Kylo to defeat Snoke, it would have made sense, but it would have had to be emphasized that Rey wanted to kill him because she perhaps lost someone, meybe parents... something.
Instead, Rey has no highlighted strong motivations. The principle of want and need doesn't work with her.
And it's great that you list her flaws, but a flaw becomes a flaw if there are consequences. And here's another key words Rey never faces consequences.
Anakin: Yes
Luke: Yes
Flaws should be used for want and need to emphasize motivations and give her a chance to learn nad develop but her flaws are ignored or even glorified sometimes (I'm talking more about episode 9 here)
@@hehu4025 no spoilers man edit this now
@@godkingsosa6811 This is not a spoiler someone else may think the narrative is different. This is an objective opinion
@@hehu4025 u are entitled to your own opinions that's all I'll say. The war on Rey and the sequels has been going on since 2015. All your nitpicks are opinion based and have counter arguments to them, No need to continue this pointless discussion.
tara you didn't show it, but at 4 min when Kylo is in the red room, some monks are in black and one of them has yellow eyes, if you've seen the movie Weekend at Bernies, Snoke has a hugem gash on his forehead which would surely kill any species, so i think he is dead and is being puppeted by the monk in black... th-cam.com/video/1rHyf0FBvt4/w-d-xo.html
So let me piss off a bunch of people. This is honestly from a storytelling perspective the best written Star Wars movie. Most of the movies suffer from poor writing. Ryan Johnson from Knives Out to Looper to this movie is a show of a mastery of film writing. The problem is that most Star Wars fans are use to poor story form. Even my personal favorite Star Wars movies, the original three, are not well written stories. Lucas himself says he is not a great writer but he could tell an entertaining story. This was just a well made story and in filmmaking circles considered the best told story on par with Rogue One. The thing people do not like is that this movie turns all the stories up to this point on their ears. Johnson did something that needed to be done which is go in a new direction and destroy the old story lines and build new ones to grow on. Star Wars fans in general hate change and hate creativity in their Star Wars stories. They want their memories reaffirmed of the first time they watched Star Wars. It has been past time to move on. The next movie which is done by JJ Abrams is an example of the exact opposite of what Johnson was trying to do. Abrams gave fans what they wanted in nostalgia and created in my opinion the single worst Star Wars story.
@@rnkelly36 I haven’t watched the next one yet but this is basically the same thing my brother said when we talked about it! I’m going to keep an open mind though 😳
@@thatnerdtara Keep an open mind with it. I have some thoughts. There are parts I enjoyed and have the memory feels for. In large part I want to ask Abram why he went that way. Why not keep going with something new? It was an opportunity to launch new stories and he kind of missed the mark in my opinion. They would have done better leaving Johnson as the creative director for the last movie. Star Wars fans would have still complained but I have come to the conclusion that some people in major fandoms will never be happy and keep trying to get that original movie experience back which is impossible to do.
@@rnkelly36no it’s not. It fails on a basic level. A slow OJ SIMPSON SPACE CHASE. The FIRST ORDER could’ve jumped ahead and destroyed the resistance.
@@kunserndsittizen2655 And it begins...
@@kunserndsittizen2655 When you talk writing you are talking character changes, plot changing, is a problem created and solved, is there good development. What you are saying is you did not like a story choice. Its like people who complain about Lord of the Rings and say why did Galdalf not get the Eagles to fly Frodo into Mordor. Well because is a story and you want to create drama. Its also fiction and fantasy. Suspension of disbelief is a serious thing in these types of stories.
tara i like this movie, the action figure assortment for this movie sucked, the characters in the casino were all human and in tuxedos, yeah that screams fun action figure, , that was my only qualm with the movie
As a 65 year old Star Wars devotee, I too enjoyed this movie and it did make sense. I wanted Rey to become what Yoda said to Obi Wan Kenobi when Obi said Luke was our last hope and Yoda replied no "there is another" and I knew it wasn't Leia.
First Happy New Year 2025 🎉!! Tara!
The Director left the mystery to us viewers of who attack first Luke or Kylo, I wish the Director would have told us on the movie but there you go. Side Note: on the books Darth Plagues the Wise (Palpatine’s Sith Master) wanted to live for ever he would use Dark Magic with Sith Alchemy, so one day accidentally created Anakin; you have to assume The Force works in mysterious ways that Anakin’s Medichlorians were transferred to Shmi Skywalker’s uterus and you get the Virgin mom of Tatooine. The writers of the sequels rushed the Sequels and I know what you are going thru by watching this Sequels and being confused. TLJ is my only favorite, the next one for me has few steps back but you’ll see for yourself. I can’t wait for your thoughts on the next & in general how you feel about them. The Force Dyad is what we call the connection between Rey and Kylo.
First off, that's such a bullshit argument about it being a mystery. You conveniently ignore the scene where Luke describes that night a second time to Rey, only this time he tells her the truth about it, and the flashback with Luke's narration clearly shows what really happened between him and Ben. Secondly, the Darth Plagueis novel is not canon, and even before becoming a part of the Legends continuity, was only semi-canonical according to George Lucas. Thirdly, fucking spoilers dude!
This is my favorite 1 out of the 3 love that you liked it to ❤😢❤
This movies has SO many twists and turns, so many surprises that left me stunned. Loved the opening bomber sequence, Holdo's maneuver, Luke's Force astro projection took me by complete surprise, though I was also wondering how he got there. What better way to show Luke as a true Jedi Master by having him do a move other Jedi has never yet attempted in the stories we've watched so far. Luke's line "Strike me down in anger and I'll always be with you, just like your father is quite true is such a good turn on the classic line and idea of "a jedi uses the force for knowledge and defence, never for attack" - Yoda. Killing family of course leaves psychological consequences and guilt. Luke telling that was a further step on Ben's journey to get him where he ends up. I had such an invested theater experience watching it for the first time. Saw it with my stepdad before he passed away. Last movie we saw in a theater together.
Love it! Congratulations! You get it
so many don't. You called something but I won't say what. One of the first who has 😊. I think you'll like the next one best and bring TISSUES😂
tara the prophecy said that the chosen one would bring balance to the force, he did, after order 66, there were only 2 jedi and 2 sith left, so the force was balanced
Not what the prophecy meant and also not true.
tara, i think people didn't like grumpy old man luke, but i liked him , that is an archetype in stories, so alot of people i guess didnt' get that
tara, i think Poe is a clone, i think he died on jaccu and leia had another one of him reprinted, there is cloning in star wars , there was a movie called Attack of the Clones, in the early 1980s,,. i read a star wars book for kids and it had pictures and it was about senators being kidnapped by flying limosines, like the flying cars we saw on coruscant in the phantom menace movie and then a clone of that senator would calmly get out of the limosine, so i think someone was kidnapping senators and replacing them with obedient clones of the senators to sway votes in the senate, maybe that is how palpatine knew he would get elected as supreme chancellor, someone said that they were in contact with the cloners long before obi wan found out about them
This is some of the stupidest trolling I've ever seen. Which one are you, drunk, high, stupid, or some combination of the three?
The last is without any doubt the most well written film with great pacing and storyline and I'm glad you didn't let the internet spoil your mind ❤
That's the whole reason I'm watching and following your reactions...keep watching and don't bother with what the internet says
May the force be with you beautiful 💞
I think it just didn't go how people expected so thats where the hate train started. When in fact it was the most "star wars" movie of the three. 7 was a copy and 9 was rushed. This was the best one.
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