Malta to Antigua on a Neel 51
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 พ.ค. 2020
- So I have been promising for a while to upload this. I wished I had have filmed more, but such is life. You'll get a good idea of the seaworthiness of the vessel. What you wont see is how comfortable it also is.
In retrospect, I would try to check my rigging more and upgrade the shackles for all the rigging.
As always please subscribe so I can do a live stream for questions.
If anyone wants advice on good riggers just add a comment. Malta and Almerimar (Andy the rigger) in Spain would be my most preferred locations for reliable work to be undertaken.
In my sailboat dreams I never figured on a Tri, however, your wonderful videos have certainly changed that, wow. Oh and another thing, I love that you know when to talk and when not, the sound of the sea and the gentle banging round of your boat is my ASMR moment, who needs the sounds of pretty girls brushing their hair when you have the ocean singing in the background. Good on you, mate, just sayin.
Casey, Thats a really kind comments and makes the effort worthwhile. I try to just shut up as much as possible. My friends have asked me to see more of the winch work and tacking etc. So that is to come. Pretty girls on certain occasions can sound nice though also, I agree.....
Other than Jamaica have you been having issues because of the whole Covid 19 pandemic? And agreed pretty girls sound nice too, although it depends on what they are saying. : )
Casey, Thanks for the comments. Yeah its been a rough ride for all cruisers. I am safe now but had rifles and racist scum all the way from puerto rico. Have a look at the other videos.
Watching the dogs anticipation for a proper walk, marking, and dumping, sums up the whole adventure for our intrepid canine....
True sea dog
great Video!!! highly therapeutic especially taking video on the bow. Thanks.
✌👍👍👍👍👍 saving that poor turtle 🐢 from the rubbish. God bless you! 🙏🏼🕊
8 to 10 meter swell and your boat seem extremely stable! Crazy about those guys rowing.
I love that Neel design, I could not imagine trying to make crossing on a mono haul. Thank you for taking the time to record and upload your adventures. It's nice to get a peak at how the Neel handles and living day to day can be. I think the basement LOL on a Neel is the best space allowed for an engine room. It must be nice to actually have some room when she need a repair. It's not all rainbows and butterflies out there. Crap has to break down a good bit. Keep up the good work bud. I am currently trying to find someone who needs a working hand on a crossing so I can get my wife out and see how she would deal with it. Im sure there are some moments on your first big crossing that might trip some folks out. I think I would love the peaceful space sailing brings at times.
The neel 51 is a very impressing vessel! I really love it.
I agree!
Great Video. I like the Neel, looks like the best of both worlds. Looking forward to more adventures. Thanks for taking us along. Fair winds
More to come!
Great passage bro, vids are getting better. I’m keeping an eye on you. You’re the only TH-camr with a Neel 51. Your channel has potential.
It's potentially horrific (just joking), thanks for comments
Matty knows....True potential!!
@@carryonsailing Ha ha, he's right tho. You should try and put together a video per week release. Doesn't seem as hard as it can be, but they can be preschedualed to drop. Finding someone to do it thou can be even more fun.
Glad you got the electronics finally saughted out hopefully on newer Neel 51,s they will check the electronics out more before final handover.
It's just mega real sailing video and exactly where I need and want to be .thanks so much for real utter genuine cool video , all the best matty
Thanks Matty. Check out the recent whale shots in Costa Rica too
Wow we just crossed the Atlantic ocean. Yeah baby right on
Subscribed. The Neel 51 is my dream boat.
James, as always great shots but more important; great and helpful information!
Many thanks
Great video! One of the few upsides of corona is you having the time and opportunity making this. Cheers.
Thanks, and yes you are right. Took a week to upload
Thanks for sharing!!
This was just what my isolation ordered. Thanks for the ride!
Hahaha. Welcome. Thanks for making me smile also
Fantastic trimaran 👌🏻
Thanks ✌️
Great info and video. I've been trying to decide between monohull, catamaran, and tri to get into longer voyages and extended time on board. They all seem to have little advanteges that make it hard to decide. I'm seeing more and more reasons to go with multihulls though. Your videos on the Neel have been very helpful.
You're welcome
I agree, after watching Sailing Zatara abandon their monohull (a very nice one as well) in favor of a cat, I think I've ruled monos out. I didn't even realize there were tri's that were this spacious and performed so well until I found out about the Neel's. As soon as I did I found carry on sailing and have been binging.
HI James! Thanks for sharing the Atlantic crossing. It really made my day to escape the confinement reality. Great video! It really gave a feel for the boat in those conditions. It would be great to do a live session. Carry on!! May I ask why you seem to be having your jib much tighter than the main? Is it an impression? It looks like the main is set for downwind and the jib for closed hauled...Does it balance better like this? Which shackles do you want to change for? All soft? Do yo even need those very expensive plotters anymore when you can have a computer and a bunch of tablets with open CPN and others...Ovital,..and the einstruments, radar, AIS on wifi?
Valid point on the plotters now. Probably still have a waterproof one at the helm. Think the sail trim just seems like an illusion on camera. Noticed that myself. Think I would just upgrade all sail shackles if you're gonna push the boat hard. I'll show mods in another video.
i really wish i could join you on passage some time!
thank you very much for this information.
I have just returned from a 3 week holiday on a Neel 51 and I am disappointed with the speed and tacking performance does not go higher to the wind than 60 degrees without very considerable loss of speed) compared to the Neel 45 I had a year before.
I noticed that (at least up to the max speed of 11 knots at TWS of 25 knots coming from 90 ° under small front sail ("Jibe", is that the word?) and Main with 2 reefs) the ship built up a big bow wave and a big turbulence at the stern. This is a sign of a boat that does not manage to pass hull speed and sign of a bad design of the main hull which should be way longer and much more pointed than it is.
In Comparison to the 51, the 45 easily transferred to gliding at 30 knots of wind coming from strictly astern and producing a speed of 14 knots with only the Genua.
Under 25 knots of TWS we achieved 12 knots of speed at an angle of 45° to the true wind under 2 reefs in the main and small front sail.
Overall I consider the 51 as too complicated for me, sporting a lot of room and showing disappointing sailing performance.
Strange i easily get 40 degrees apparent. Also I have genset and aircon
Sounds like your vessel was overloaded or something else. However, you've done the best thing and sailed one. So you are now better informed to know that you aren't likely to go for a neel 51. Well done. Also with you wind speed scenario, I would be using genoa and one reef in the main and bear off a little.
@@carryonsailing I finally was able to buy the neel 45 competition from the owner of the shipyard. just came back from a 3.000 mile toour through the mediteranean sea. Love the boat very much. Had a friend on board with a drone that shows 8.2 knots at 10 knots TWS : th-cam.com/video/PqEdfOyVKhM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IUIKVKSB8uAZ0qot
Love your movies, no annoying music , just the noises that go with the action. very good. Keep sailing.
The dog was keen to get up front and be the first of, bet it enjoyed pissing on a tree.
No shit
Well done, finally a good video on the performance side of the Neel.
What shackles did you change to?
I heard some people had build quality problems? What about yours? Cheers
Just upgraded to next diameter. See other videos, the recent live streams for opinions
OMG !! At 28 mins, she sure can sai !!!
10knots in 20knots aws isnt that great, is it?
it is for 16 tonnes and fully loaded with 6 cabins for cheaper than any other multihull
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Please post an update. I especially like more details on the Neel 51. How does the machinery and engine room get fresh air?
They are vented yes
Terrific. It's great to be along for the whole voyage. I'm used to seeing a video with some European start point and some name, like Cartegena that as an American I think, Colombia, and then its some place 100 nMiles from the start. 17 days crossing, how trimaran do you think this video will wind up selling? You can put me down for one.
Hahah. Not my intention, but she's good value for money once you iron out the issues. Same as all boats. Hi from guatemala
I've just done almost the same passage on my monohull (Hanse 461) and I'm shopping for a multihull. Neel 51 is one of choices. To be honest the speed is not really impressive. I've had almost the same speed (but much less comfort of course). I have been told that Neels can do more but I don't see it in this video. IMO the sails are not perfectly trimmed at some time. I'd ease the sheets more.
Other then that the layout of the boat looks perfect for me. If you're still in the Caribbeans and want to sail her please let me know :-)
Your OpenCPN setup is not perfect too. I'd recommend the following: Throw away B&G GoFree and put in a normal cheap router (I have TP-Link Archer C7). Then connect Zeus and the radar directly to the router (you can crimp the cables into RJ45 jack). Then get a NMEA2K to Ethernet gateway (ex. YDEN-02 from Yacht Devices). This way you don't need to have the USB cable connected to laptop and can use it anywhere in the boat. Also OpenCPN works perfect with B&G radar and even better then Zeus.
I simply connect the laptop to wifi on the bandg display now, I don't use the multiplexer. I am aware of the trick with teh RJ45 connecter, just couldn't be bothered to set it up when the radar was already working. Thanks for the info. The speeds depend on when she is on a reach or not. Also how much you care about the rigging. Have a look at some of the more recent videos perhaps on the instagram also.
@@carryonsailing Thanks man for the videos! Neel 51 is my main interest now. Before that my main choices were either a FP Salina 48 (cheap and roomy, faster then an average cat) or an Outremer 51 (expensive and small inside, but fast). Neel 51 seems to be even bigger and according to owners still fast. But after a performance cruiser monohull any multihull looks not really fast to me.
Keep em light and with upwind performance. Of your options utremer or neel
Not a sailor but looking at moving to work, live aboard the Neel 51 with Spacex satellite Internet out pretty soon. Need to earn first anyway. Thanks for making this video! I want performance and livability. Really great to see you operating and in seas. Enjoying this trip. But I have to say, going solo, you probably should be tethered when outside. And I also read a good comment about dragging a couple lines about 3-400 yards behind you so you can swim and catch them if you did go over. I know next to nothing so cheers!
Thanks for your concern buddy but it's just not viable. You could make the guard rails higher and the pushpit too if deeply concerned.
Thanks. Two questions for you if you have time. Performance sailing: as someone relatively new to sailing, do you find you are constantly learning how best to harness the boats potential under sail while still being efficient and safe, or do you think you have found her performance pretty easily and are just cruising. Similar question under motor: if you came across money, could you see putting more powerful engine to take advantage of the boat's handling? Not for the objective of racing in either case but to have the ability to maneuver to the weather conditions you want as opposed to having it dictate to you.
The electric motor are becoming interesting. Tesla recently had their battery day and they and the industry are looking at 1M mile batteries relatively soon w range between charges of 400 miles +. I can see an application for boats and they are looking at multiple applications such as home, aviation, etc.
Good luck and look forward to further videos if you are inclined. The 51 looks like it could be the trend for ocean sailing for reasonable budgets.
We are always learning something about sailing. One thing I would say, I would love load sensors on the shrouds so I know when I absolutely must take in the asymmetric. It's that sail that gives you the outrageously fast speeds on all sailing boats. Wind direction depending. As for the working sails. I have in my view got the sail trim perfect now for any wind velocity or direction. The boat will always sail faster than the motor if you have 6kn of wind on any reach. Bigger motor means more weight. Also, its as simple as this. Want to cross an ocean, get a sail boat, unless you are a oil magnate....
Unbelievable. 6kn of wind. I was at one time thinking about a motor solution, but the 51 has captured my imagination. I like the way she moves and rides in addition to the living, working opportunities.
What you are referring to is what swirls in the back of my mind. I do minor programming to use computers for trading. If I get to ownership, I would explore sensors and controllers to optimize the sails for the conditions and wind. Intriguing.
Fuel cost nor noise add.
On an actual passage, would the front center bunk or an ama bunk be prefferable for a guest?
All have their benefits depending what point of sail you are on. Windward is best on a reach, middle hull on downwind passages.
This was awesome. I’ve wondered about the motion of a tri with big seas. Especially surfing down waves that are hitting at an angle like 150 or 220. Just wondered how easy it would be to bury an ama and find yourself in real trouble. The center of the boat looks really comfortable.
I personally feel its more comfortable than a high bridge deck cat. Happy isolations peeps
I cant find out anything about the "Squidio?" app. Do you have a correct spelling or further info? I use deepzoom to determine normal wind activities for route planning. Is squidio like that?
It's a plug in inside opencpn
@@carryonsailing Thanks
Ok I know this is a weird question, but where does the doge go to the bathroom?
Trampoline
shouldnt a trimaran not be way faster in those wind conditions? why are you reefing in, when an increase in speed means that the aws and therefor the pressure on the mast reduces? im a bit confused as it says everywhere "windspeed 15knots = boatspeed 15knots"
Show me where you get the information you mention please
Is it just me, or does the kitchen stove change mid passage from a Gas top to an Electric???
Yes it does. I switched it out in almerimar. Zero gas onboard. Single biggest nightmare when doing different countries. Also upwind sailing more banging, thus better not to have any at all.
@@carryonsailing Electric just makes sense! :)
Really appreciate all the uploads you have done regarding your Neel 51 I have been looking into having one built and finally decided to take the plunge.Obviously all the sensible modifications you have made I will make sure are implemented in my build. Look forward to seeing more uploads.
Jason
Good saving. Hope you didn't throw the net back into the sea.
I didn't
What is size/ eight of anchor?
40 kg
The balance of the boat seems to be bad compared to the catamaran, as I see too much of side roll in rough seas. I am planning to buy a Neel trimaran in the future, is it better to install a gyro stabilizer to reduce the roll?.
I suggest you go for a sail. The sails are the gyro stabiliser.
@@carryonsailing how do you rate your Neel trimaran, is it excellent in everything, or is it better to go for a catamaran?
There's basically one simple answer to that. Name me one other catamaran for the same money that can sail upwind with the same space.... Answer, there aren't any. Watch my two most recent videos. It answers all your questions
@@carryonsailing truly said, Neel are one of the best out there and catamarans have higher price than the Neel Trimaran.
@@carryonsailing thank you for answering, your videos are very informative.
Love the Neel and I enjoy your real world videos and opinions. 17 day crossing from Malta puts average speed in the teens! Or was there a different port you started the day counting? What was the final average speed for the crossing?
Thanks for your input! 17 days exactly from el hierro. In better conditions we would have dine much better. Probably a 9.5 avg speed
@@carryonsailing that's awesome. 9.5 is nothing to scoff at. The biggest reason I'm interested in the boat is the combination of living space and speed.
On voudrait voir la position sur la carte…..
Did the turtle just jump on the boat?
We caught the rubbish with the lines and he was in it.
Why are you not sailing? The instruments say a close reach? 🤷♂️
Thanks for saving the turtle..first thought you were butchering the poor thing....btw love the tri ....get your finger off the microphone...
Finger on the mic was intentional at the time due to wind noise.
@@carryonsailing my bad , makes perfect sense...that was the second turtle I watched get saved on a tri , the other was draging plastic bottles around.. 2 videos in a hr is more than chance, u have a plastic problem..
Dommage qu’lil n’était aucun détails en français…
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Only problem with video taping with a cell phone, fingers over the mike.
Il manque le français 😢
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8/10 meter swells u must have very small feet
Peter thanks for your comment,. Its notoriously hard to record the swell on camera. Either way I hope you enjoyed the videos and they made a positive impact on you.
You estimate the swell height by judging how far you're out of the water (e.g. on the flybridge of a Lagoon 450, if you're standing up, your head is about 5m above the water level). If you see waves that are higher than the horizon, that means the swell is at least your elevation.
THANKS for rescuing the turtle.
PEOPLE !! STOP EATING FISH AND STOP THE FISHING INDUSTRY, ITIS DESTOYINGOUR OCEANS AND WE ARE GOING DOWN WITH OUR OCEANS !!
Encore l’anglais 😢
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Camera, 🧐
Bade. Camara!!
get a better mic and a dead cat muff... go Neel 51 !
Wow we just crossed the Atlantic ocean. Yeah baby right on