It's funny. My wife's the sailor and I'm usually the one asking about AC and creature comforts. We've gone to a few boat shows and it does throw the salesmen for a twist when she's asking on about performance, and I'm just wandering around thinking more about where's best for the kids to jump off the deck. She has a rule - if the salesman starts talking to her about colours and what's her favourite, she walks off.
@@SailingLaVagabonde HA! Not sailing related, but I can still remember my mom and dad walking into a car dealership and my dad saying to the salesman, "what are you talking to me for, we told you she's the one buying a new car!"
@@alankaye4382 Sales People don't like women in general. Not only in the Car industry but in general with everything. Women are practical beings, they look for the perks not the flash... yes there are women out there that like a huge car (with the 3 letters) over a T****ta in a metallic blue with all the bells and whistles, but those are a minority. If you have a partner that has that mind set, don't be upset, be happy... she is a keeper. My Ex was the one with the 3 letter car... that is why she is a gonnaaaaaaa
The industry is very weirdly sexist. For a short while I used to market a range of cruiser racer monohulls. They were a pedigree hull shape with a cruising interior. Remember there are only a few customers each year for each sales office. The repeating issue, trying not to be sexist, was 95% of the time the guys wanted the boat to race and the wives wanted a boat to have family days. I loved an experienced wife (or more importantly an experienced couple. Actually two very different levels of experience is the problem not the sexism) We lost a few sales to couples stuck in the dilemma of ‘If I buy the racier boat she thinks it’s about me. If I get the more cruising orientated boat it’s a family purchase that will suck performance wise for Saturday racing but at least we still can have a boat.’ I used to just hope they liked sailing in a few years time once they had learned this was faulty thinking. I prayed the wife got into it as a sport not treated it as a lunch boat. Key point is delineation between sport & recreation. Serious ocean cruising is more a sport & easy passage cruising is recreation still. I think the marketing is sexist partly because of the above reasons and also for business reasons such as product development. The issue is custom v production. Production means you can buy a similar boat to a $1m custom boat for $300k. The production boat is a different boat though because it’s about getting away with making the biggest boat for the cheapest price. They are marketed by those who know it’s about capturing the entry sailor v experienced. High end racing sailors don’t go to boat shows. Custom yacht builders don’t go to boat shows. Why? People at boat shows don’t know about polars and when someone does they know to call the designer or custom boat builder. Think too how the production yachts are cheap and good bang for bucks. To tool up a product is expensive and you must make sure it hits the broadest market possible. The interiors are perceived as very important to less experienced and production boat interiors do look good. ironically the more interior the lower the performance. Also, when a couple comes to talk the less experienced one is going to talk about stuff they are confident is their thing which might be cupboard space not how the winch is positioned. So in the discussion to purchase later the weighting of cupboards is unusually higher in priority than it should. Get two inexperienced sailors and they will buy for the interior. Even if they have done a few courses or crossed a few oceans does not mean they are experienced. Experience is not until you look at performance and know how a fitting, fixture, interior, mast, sail type will alter the performance. It’s about knowing why you want a particular type of performance too. So sexism is about the failures of the entry point to the market. Rather than getting people into good sailing boats instead they are just about extracting their cash. I can see why...they need to eat too yeah? Buyer be ware.
Riley old school sailor here. That was the best presentation that I have heard on the tube. Much respect. All i ever had was a compass, sextant, and AM radio. Sailed all over the pacific. Thankyou.
Sydney - Phuket via Indo (surfing), beginning of the eighties.....same same and still cannot use a sextant, just kept Oz off to the port till we banged into New Guinea then made a starboard tack up the Torres Straight.
Well, thank you. A breath of fresh air. I tripped across this video and after a life time of sailing and instructing early, being a dealer, working for factories, living aboard for 14 years, being a multi-hull ferry developer in the U.S., on marine safety boards w/ the USCG, as advisory board member on marine studies and now doing business development planning for large maritime projects. Thanks. This is what I've been discussing for years. The mission defines the boat at point of purchase. Catamaran sailboats don't point well. There are other benefits. You probably don't know 10% of what you need to know to be safe. You need to know all the systems and how to fix stuff. Every time I've sailed on someone else's boat I've asked if they practice man-overboard and if their wife could do it if it was them that was overboard. The answer was....not one. Most sailors do not even know an absolutely reliable way to do it regardless of conditions or point of sailing. Most sailors are not proficient at reefing especially in parts of the world where winds are more consistently lighter. Most, in fact, who've been sailing for years do not how to tie up their boat properly or anchor in a safe way, thoroughly understanding the forces at work. Most don't jibe safely. Please do more of these and focus on specific smaller subjects like what happens if something breaks when cruising offshore. Rig, electronics, engine, consumables, damage to hull underway, fatigue, injury, and all the things that the family at the boat show or broker didn't think about. Thanks again.
Would love to read / hear more about your experiences and thoughts. I think it is hard to come by someone that has a more broad and diverse perspective to the topic than you.
I'm not a sailor but I will more than happily listen to someone talk about something that they have well-researched and are passionate about and I found this really interesting. I like they SLV are crowd sourced and so are one of only a few with a platform in this area who are able to point out where the systems aren't working. Great video
I'm not a sailor either and just love to surf, but watching SLV all these years is my fav wholesome series that makes you feel good. No agendas or a lot fo negative content just these 3 Aussies learning to navigate their way around the planet. They've learned so much over the past 5 or 6 years and that's totally interesting...such a chill show with great vibes.
@@Peanutdenver Wholesome is the word I think of too. Once (or twice) a week I just forget everything, get comfortable and see what Lenny's been up to. :)
Preach...Riley...I/we enjoy that you have created a platform for the people by the people ...so informative ..I may not ever buy a cat but at least my dreams will be well informed....fun to watch you flex your celebrity status...always using your powers for good...keep it all up!!
We are a family of 4 G7 B3 and have been living onboard a Prout 33 foot catamaran for a year and a half. The boat cost us £31,000 and we have Travelled from the UK to the Channel islands, up the Seine to Paris and down the French canal system to Mediterranean. We then day sailed all the way from the south of France to Portugal travelling an average of 6 hours per day with time to swim and explore along the way. We have had an amazing adventure and are now in Portugal working out how to upgrade to an ocean going vessel so now Rileys opinions become more relevant to us. These youtube channels have been a great inspiration to us but the most important thing was that we worked out a way to make our adventure happen and we set off. To anyone considering this lifestyle just find a way to make it happen and take that leap of faith. You won't regret it.
Sailing Ruby Rose have also been on the same case as Riley . Experienced sailors they eventually settled on a Seawind as their new boat. Fast but comfortable . MJ Sailing have also been looking at Seawind . The South African guy Riley spoke about with the Lagoon has been sailing all his life in rough South African waters (which can get pretty frisky) and really knows what he is doing , so is not worried to have a slower heavier boat . Heavy, as Riley said , can be good in bad weather . But Colin , an ex superyacht engineer , bought an ex-charter Lagoon 45 , and is now having a nightmare as one of the hulls is trying to break away from the bulkheads !
@@englishmaninfrance661 not that I am a laggon fan, but Colin’s boat is a recovered hurricane damged vessel. Not sure it is fair to imply that hulls breaking away from the bulkhead is a frequent risk for a heavier catamaran.
Great job Riley. You opened sailors minds with honesty and transparency. Thanks also for sharing the info from my book “CATAMARANS , The Complete Guide for Cruising Sailors”. The book is in its 3rd edition and its humbling to see how many people seem to have benefited from its content. As important as the right boat is - I have found that timing and being with the right crew is almost more crucial. A final message to all: “Just go out there and do it ..and don’t wait until you have saved it all ..as that ‘tomorrow’ may never come”. - Gregor Tarjan, Aeroyacht.
Riley, the world is starving for truth, transparency, honest opinions, and to hear and be heard. We are flooded with information streams; virtually all of which are manipulated for selfish gain, or political agendas, Thank you for your integrity and courage.
ho hi, I'm trying to get there... still at the ship building HND thoo, so about 4 more years to go before I get the same tittle ^^. thoo how can you like all of the numbers ;-; ? the interesting part to me is the beautifull boat at the end and the data that comes at the end of the calculations. (I'm currently hating the basic quadratic equasion used to get the metacentric Z coordinates... but I kinda like the integrals used to defined all the principle hydrostatic data (I havn't started dynamic macanic yet :/))
@@alvinp3197 sorry for whatever in your life is causing you to be so rude. I’ll just go back to my well paying NAVAL ARCHITECTURE job. Feel free to find me on LinkedIn.
@@TheSuburbansky1 thanks for showing your ignorance! If you’ve never met a woman with short hair than I’m guessing you’ve never actually been a sail cruiser.
This is great advice. Trust me I have sailed professionally, am an ex sailmaker, have won some serious regattas, sailed dinghies and yachts, managed race boats, raced 18’ skiffs and have even sold yachts. Riley is spot on here. (I’ve watched you mature , in particular the crossing with Greta I saw you then become a good yachtie) The idea of bridging the high performance gap in the cruising world is legitimately the way forward. Talking polars is just as important for a cruising sailor as it is a racing sailor. People forget the slower you go the more load is on EVERYTHING. Don’t forget it’s the same patch of water so sailing an easy to sail boat with a chassis built around performance is better than a chassis built around the interior. Why? The wind and waves are the same. The speed of weather is the same. The more cruising equipment you carry the slower you will go and the more cumbersome it will be with every action so chose lighter each time. Racing people want things to work so use that knowledge and benefit from their trials. They are the better sailors dont forget. The harder things are, the slower you go, the more dangerous positions you will put yourself in. Cruisers get stuck in a mentality particularly when estimating strengths required. Every time you repair a fitting, chose a rope, cleat or sail cloth type cruisers usually over build. Stop it. Stop saying ‘if your cruising it doesn’t matter how slow you are because you have time’. grrrrr No! This adds up to more cost, heavier to lift things on your own, harder to sail short handed, poor quality materials, bigger anchors, etc, etc, etc. Riley has nailed this advice. The sweet spot is not averaging 18 to 25 knots which is fast it’s probably 12 to 15 but most boats are so damn slow they only do 6 or 7. That’s dangerous. Also, if you are new then help yourself out buy the boat that will help you sail better rather than the cheap production charter boat built around price so is a pig to sail. Sadly the industry is known at entry level for the sales guy that will sell you a cheap Benateau with he shallow draft cruising keel with no stability which then needs a smaller mast but has a bulky bubble pregnant hull shape built around the interior or catamaran equivalent. You’ll hate the performance then spend dearly replacing and upgrading fittings. Rather than enjoy the sailing early you’ll be frustrated or stunted in your learning. Perhaps you’ll teach yourself bad habits from your bad equipment too. Don’t forget you will spend most of your time on deck. The hierarchy should always have performance before price, then storage, then looks, etc. So good on Riley for rattling the production yachts cages.
@@SailingLaVagabonde Now when are you going to get yourself a foiling moth? I can see you jumping forward in your sailing thinking then. Also, Lenny needs a dinghy soon. Adam Beashel’s kids were sailing from 2 yrs. it was fair dunking their cot then their first boat.
So grateful for this video. My wife and I are looking for a live aboard and we were initially looking for a more comfy option. Watching a bunch of sailing videos my gut was telling me we should be looking at something that’s designed to sail first…with comfort built around that. This video helps solidify my feelings and will steer us in a better direction.
Decided a few days ago(I have been thinking about this for 20 years) that I am ready to live and explore on a Cat.. Literally this first video I have watched. Ordered the book, the math made more sense to me than just about anything else and I am looking forward to taking a deep dive into this lifestyle. I will send pics no later than 12/5/2023
As someone who doesn’t know anything technical about sailing but loves to learn, I would definitely support more of these videos. Riley, you don’t have to be the world’s smartest person to be able to share knowledge with others. Just share what you know, and share how your view might be biased (which you’ve done an excellent job with in this video).
As an industrial designer who sits in front of a computer in CAD all day but knows nothing about sailing this is unbelievably fascinating and interesting. It all makes so much sense and makes me want to get into this world immediately.
I’m 16 and every single video of your channel I watch makes me wanna buy a sail boat one day. I only get to sail with my uncle in the summer months and use to sail with my grandpa in his maldives 32 and those are the best times. Hope I can get a nice catamaran one day !
Amazing how such a perfectly intuitive idea-"a floating house isn't the safest house, or boat"-can be so easily and quickly ignored and overlooked by so many. Including me.
Always remember what B.O.A.T. stands for and be prepared to live up to it. Never lose heart and remember it is about the journey, not just the mansion on water dream. Life doesn't always give you what you want, but nothing you can't handle.
Absolutely excellent points. I've watched my dad buy boats. He always looks for a strong boat, strong rigging, repairable everything. He wants to be able to get to the inside of the hull everywhere in the boat, he wants to be able to get to every system in the boat. I've seen him change out every hose clamp on the boat because they were all different . . . he made them all the same and put a bag of extras in his parts bin. Galleys can be modified, a portable freezer can go in, it's more important to have good access to your sail and fender lockers, to have good solid storage for your tender, to have a high quality anchor and chain. Safety, reliability, and repairability first. All the other stuff comes after. That said, I want to add another thing . . . I agree with Riley, so does my dad. You've got to be able to sail . . . a stodgy boat would never be even considered.
You just nerded everywhere... jk Riley I have never sailed and I'm not looking to buy a boat but this video was very easy to watch and consume. Great animations, edits, and content. The video is genuine too and I think that's what I like about it. You're trying to help those that are trying to get into sailing and shows a bit more of your personality. You guys are great!
There is nothing like the sea to teach anyone the qualities you display with such class, humility and grace. I have been following you guys for years now and it is a pleasure to see you asserting yourselves not by bragging or inflated platitudes, but with words and actions born of battle scars and real moments truly lived at the intersection of transcendence and bliss. You have earned your stripes and your advice is on par with the best available; clear, concise, to the point and, of course crowned with that touch of Aussie charm. Tell them like it is, Riley!! As a sailor who has crossed the big waters and dipped my toes in 5 of the seven seas plus a few other ponds around this blue pebble ( and still knows very little about most anything), your video serves so many purposes and reminds me of many precious memories. And if absent this gift it renews my faith in the human race. Here is to more of you! Cheers, mate. Sail far, live free.
Thanks for sharing this, it is very thought provoking. One point to remember is that not every boat owner is a liveaboard cruiser, with a TH-cam channel, crosses oceans and has a $750,000 budget. Many of us have to work for a living, are only able to cruise for a few weeks every year and mostly just spend weekends sailing local waters such as Moreton Bay. We can and do avoid 40kt winds and 6m waves. We count the hours spent on the water, not the miles travelled in 24hrs. Everyone has a different situation with different requirements which probably explains why there are so many different boats out there. There is no such thing as a perfect boat, the best you can hope for is to find a boat that is close to perfect for you.
Excellent arguments for the superiority of cats Riley!! I’ve been convinced of this for several decades, but I still own a monohull. The problem is simply cost. Catamarans are not just a little more costly they are massively more costly to purchase. The vast majority of people will only ever be able to purchase a used boat, and then probably within a max price range that is multiple times less than what you can buy a ocean cruising catamaran. This drives people who really want a used catamaran (forget new, out of the question for most all) but can’t afford one, to look at the low budget designs I think are marginally suitable at best for ocean sailing. Maybe you can do a Part 2 of this topic focused on “now that you decided to buy a catamaran, here is the spectrum of options and relative cost”. Anyway, great video, very practical and useful...and brave to take this one on. By the way, really cool animations.
This is 2 years too late but that's what I think he's saying here. There's no reason for production charter cat not to be more performance oriented if that's what people are asking for. Simple, slim, light, mass prod cat can be way cheaper than they are now.
So true about the gender stereotypes! When we were shopping for our first boat the salesperson would talk to my husband every time. Sometimes we just had to walk away because they wouldn’t talk to me even after my husband says”talk to my wife, she’s the sailor.”
Riley, you are such a humble, kind-hearted man, and it really comes through when you're sharing your thoughts. You certainly don't come across as a "know it all" ...... you come across as someone who adores sailing and, like a loving parent, you want others who love sailing, to avoid a few of the pitfalls along the way, so they can get to the good bits. You truly have a heart of gold, and oh boy - you have such an infectious laugh. Your face lights up like a Christmas tree when you smile. Your little men are going to learn so much from their Papa.
The one thing all people have in common is we all “don’t know what we don’t know”. Thanks Riley, you just bent my brain. Fab insight from an experienced (and honest) sailor. Good on ya.
A great video Riley. I was talking to my brother about it “Darren Newton” who is Co owner and designer of Dazcat in the UK. He was impressed with your comments and how as a designer for him to find that sweet spot of weight, performance, comfort and cost is very difficult and subjective especially if you want to put the boat into production. You may know Dazcat’s are principally sports cruisers so lean more to racing and performance cruising with all the requirements and comfort for the family. I know over the past year they have been discussing exactly what you have been saying, but one of the main issues they have to make a yacht design a reality is the lack of information from people who live the life, just like yourself and your family, so what you are doing will be a great help to the industry and future boat owners.👍 I know “Daz” Darren would love to talk to you about this subject and possibly help, so please feel free to contact him via the company website... www.multihullcentre.com Keep up the good work...
Hey! I am a excited 17 year old and have been sailing since I was little. I am just applying to colleges, but more than anything I just want to sail. Watching your videos is keeping me sane. I love learning about this stuff so thanks for making this video.
Riley, long time lurker here. Although it's the beautiful sailing lifestyle videos that got me following, it's largely your approach to reasoning and discussion that I've stayed for. Very glad you settled on putting out this video! Also you know it's gonna be a good'un when the Vaga crew put their acting shoes on for the intro 😂
I did own a few boats and indeed I ended up always helming. We finally bought an Outremer51 and when we took delivery in La Grande Motte, I refuse to helm the boat out of the slip. That was a bit of a surprise to my spouse. She looked at me and said fine (in a stressed kind of way) . She has been helming ever since and I am just a crew. I love it and yes she adjusts the sails and tell me when a reef is required etc. We end up probably sailing better and with a happier boat. We are now both concerns with keeping the boat light, not over canvassed. An over 200 miles day is a beautiful thing.
Straight out of the gate you projected integrity, enthusiasm - and a humble, yet convincing authority. I last sailed decades ago, when I was rated Offshore Hand by the ROYRC - I would follow your lead / advice without question. Thakyou for a really good presentation
I can't say enough how nice this video is. The fact that crowdfunding makes it possible to hear this level of honesty from someone who's opinion I respect so much is meaningful. Thank you for telling us what no one else would! YOU ARE THE BEST!!
what I often miss in the interior of boats is their suitability for sleeping and cooking in challenging conditions. To me those are two very important aspects of the interior of a sailing vessel. If you can't sleep or prepare (hot) nutritious meals during a long crossing because your beds/bunks are too big or don't offer side-to-side support and you can't stay in the kitchen because the lay-out is not suitable for safe cooking in suboptimal conditions, you're in big trouble. The crews health and condition will deteriorate fast.
Do you remember their video from the monohull when they were crossing the Pacific, and Elayna got hurt by hot stuff flying off the gimballed stove in the galley ... I think that's one of the reasons why Elayna loves her catamaran.
You missed the point of this video then. That’s secondary. Sure it’s important but a comfy boat through the water makes sleeping and cooking easier. The interior can be changed but the parameters of the hull shape, rig, performance numbers can’t be changed.
@@chrispomfret8592 I absolutely did not miss the point of the video. It made me think of what aspects are important to take into consideration when buying or designing a boat. I shared those thoughts. Besides, rig and performance numbers and even hull shape can certainly be changed (but you have to think about how far you want to take things before going for another boat ;-))
@@Jessicaenplukje I didn’t mean to offend. I am simply trying to highlight an interior can be adapted to work well. I disagree that you can alter the performance of a boat much though. The hull shape, keel depth, mast & sail areas once designed are difficult or super expensive to change. As a professional we used to try racing Beneteau’s for owners but in the end they cost more than a racing boat. Rather than burn the owner out we’d suggest it was time for a new more suitable boat.
The value of information that comes from a person that completely loves his sailing and set out to live it, is priceless. Good job................Michael
Absolutely love the story of trying to buy your first boat and the surveyor tells the yard to put the boat back into the water.... We need more people like him on the planet.
If you keep in mind that 95% of your time spending on boat is at anchoring place, you will make a cleaver compromise between performances and comfort... It’s depend what you want to do with your boat and your life onboard, if you want to go from one point to another as fast as possible or if you want to enjoy the ride slowly and live most of the time between island in mooring place in order to enjoy moving from one lagoon place to another... You just need to know what you want !
I love learning more about boats & sailing. I want to sail for a couple years in my life so thank you for keeping it to the point & not worrying about offending someone & instead making sure we’re gonna stay safe.
Hey Riley. Was great to hear you talk about female confidence in the industry. I am working as a shipwright at the moment and being a girl in a male dominated industry is hard, but hearing guys like you respecting girls who want to get involved is really encouraging! Thanks mate
@lu impy Exactly - so many women are like this now & it drives me nuts. No one's holding them back, yet they still want to whine about how life's so hard for them. They have no perspective & have been influenced by the psychotic modern feminists, churned out in women's studies university courses.
@@kimjongryan9043 mate, I was trying to thank Riley and elayna for inspiring me to persue a job I love doing and am passionate about... it’s hard for girls to get in to jobs that most guys do but it’s getting easier thankfully.
Amazing, when I started watching these guys (back in their mono-hull days) I could not understand most of what he said. I needed a translator and to fully decipher his words, I had to watch their videos more than once. NOW, after several years, I can actually comprehend 95% of what he says! AMAZING!!!!
Hey Riley, I am a lady and I will definitely look into what you stated in the video. I’m interested in a catamaran, and you brought up a lot of points that I haven’t really heard people talk about, so thank you😄
Well done given that you don't tell people what cat brand, length, equip., etc. is the best so difficult to predict how anyone could get upset over what material you presented. Appreciate your honesty and sincerity and if someone out there doesn't 'get that' then 'move on and buy a mistake'.
I’m 48 my wife n I purchased a 30 ft sea ray we love it but my goodness a lot to learn. I have lived my whole life using wooden boats flat boats aluminum etc small craft. But slowly working our way up. So much to learn
No one should be offended from what you have said. Truth leads to course corrections on the way to peace., and peace is being a blessing. You three are.
This is great Riley! Exactly what people need to hear and learn from. I know I need to brush up on some reading... Thanks so much for putting this out here!
@@kunzaxe I found it very helpful. It's not really a how to but should serve as a guide to how to approach the question of what boat do I want. My issue is I'm new and have never sailed a cat.. I like how mono hulls talk to you. I can feel it power up over power and the like.
I agree with so much of this. When were choosing boats my wife was very into all the ratios. Our budget ruled out performance catamarans. We accept the comfort compromises of a boat we can afford. When you can't go fast enough to pick the weather you need tough enough to survive. Hence, for us a 43 year old Rival 38.
Ok you got me. I didn't really pay attention too much to your channel because I thought it was "cute couple milking people for dollars whilst sailing" but this one is pure win. You nailed it, were very honest (at a risk), and no cleavage. Cheers mate on being an honest sailor, a decent soul, a good person and putting this out there. When I bought my Lagoon 42 I didn't even know what a polar was. I relied too much on the brokers and sailing magazine articles. I wish I had. I love my boat but I think now about how I could have improved my sailing options. Thank you. I 100% endorse your "opinions" based on my experience.
My husband and I are sailing cruisers. I didn’t understand some of what you were explaining but it does make me realize that the performance of the boat is more important than I realized. Above all I want to be safe, and if we are able to get through a storm and into a safe harbour quicker than that’s the smartest thing to focus on. Thanks for the info.😉
this is certainly the benefit of being so popular, you can get away with speaking about the hard facts. This information is needed and difficult for people to talk about, if they are trying to not ruffle feathers. Well done.
Has anyone notice haw great the animations are done? I love this new addition to the videos it reminds me of lizzie mcguire old times. Great work. A big hug and all my best wishes to you guys from Spain .
I did the IYT bareboat skipper course recently...have been watching lots of sailing vid's...but this is the first time to watch what I've learned is the granddaddy of them all. And now I can see why this guy (and partner), is/are so successful. Super knowledgable, sharp, funny. I'm impressed.
Good on you, it’s addictive. Slot yourself into the cruiser/racer category rather than the cruiser or weekend warrior category and you will find a good boat to start with. Also, get yourself on a dinghy no matter your age. Learn there first.
Dude, our family is on this journey to get ourselves there in the next couple years, thanks for sharing your learnings, despite all the entertainment this is really helpful for the ones like us that are a step or two behind.
Cripes Riley I am 62 semi retired living in Adelaide and saw you guys on the ato day program 2 or 2 weeks ago and have found myself watching your sailing videos. Whether I am ever get a boat I don’t know. But seriously good content. Love seeing you and your families adventures
Not just multihulls but all boats seem to be very focused on interior layout. I'd love to see a boat review that spends a lot of time talking about safety, performance, polars ..... Like the topic and thanks for presenting Riley. :)
Dont know if any of you have seen the sirius 35ds or 40ds . They have lots of great ideas both for ease of sailing and interior size. However I cant find any where the performance / polars / stability etc.. To me the dont look to be a fast hull shape.....I expect it to be a bit slow but the question is how much ? Ps there are several TH-cam vids explaining features for them.
I love your little family, my daughter calls your channel “lenny” and we love the vlogs generally. But honestly this information and how to sail stuff is more interesting and would be great to have slightly more balance as to how you sail your vessel in some of your videos. Just why you have which sheets out when and how you are feeling about each trip. Peace from Melbs ✌🏻
I dont plan on owning any sort of boat or catamaran...but I most def listened to the important stuff, because you never know what life throws at you! thanks for the good info always bro!
As a woman looking at retiring on a boat with my husband in a few years, this is really helpful. We just got back from a big boat show, and I had been drawn to exactly what you said - big floating houses with 17 fridges and a California King bed. ;) Thank you for making my triangle more balanced! I'll take my high five when we do actually purchase that more performance-oriented vessel down the road.
Never gonna sail at this point, physically to limited at my age, but I have some experience with some safety stuff and the math and physics makes sense to me, as I got a Math degree in college. Great info for folks looking to make the plunge. Good job Riles.
In very extreme weather.... Mono would be safer,. The idea of capsizing would be a disaster, mono would just simply roll back up, I've never seen Riley take it out in extreme weather
“The Riley Monologues”, new series starting, much enjoyed by (nearly) all. Riley, keep them coming. What you have learned and continue to do so, please share. Your audience is rightfully hungry for more.
Never! Worry about what "Others" think of you, While you speak Truth! Only rest in the knowledge you gave truth! This is All of life! Nothing to do with "Sailing" or not? You can lead a horse to water, you can not make them drink. Love your work!
" It's going to piss off people off" Riley, got to listen to what your own gut about what " you are" enlightened about, nothing wrong with that + experiences to back what you are explaining nothing wrong with that. I could say more on that, I'll leave you with DAI KO MYO and many good sails for La Vagabonde!!
Why would having an Informed intelligent discussion about the debate between performance hulls and heavy structure hulls ever upset anyone. You provided a lot of solid information and opportunities to investigate different opinions than yours. This was perhaps the most brilliant episode I’ve ever seen from La Vagabonde discussing actual sailing issues. Well done! While Lagoons are heavy boats, your point about preferring to be in a heavier boat in 5 m waves is well-made. Lagoons, though heavy, do seem to win the Atlantic Rally for Cruisers fairly often. So I would suggest that across a broad spectrum of experience a heavier boat might just be the turtle slow and steady resulting in the winning outcome. But for more experienced sailors like you and Nikki, there is no question performance is a stronger draw and allows you to get out there rather than stay in Port or run from Port to Port.
@Tim Sawyer got to disagree about 'room' when discussing performance oriented cats....... Been looking at those Freedoms for man years now....nice vessels, never really caught on those free standing sticks globally? Been watching this at least once every few months for the last few years...enjoy.........th-cam.com/video/iFle9YZCzLw/w-d-xo.html This is my idea of cruising the deep blue......she can make 12 knots with acres of room...th-cam.com/video/SHgNA64ExL8/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/BPEDnr1HUDo/w-d-xo.html just needs free standing sticks......
It is frustrating the prejudice against women that salesMEN have. As a woman who can build almost anything, can work on engines and can fix pretty much anything. I get really frustrated by salesmen who think that I am just another little housewife or fashionista. I have had men mechanics bring out a handful of bicycle parts and tell me that I needed to replace these 300.00 parts. I was like no thank you, but I would like to watch you put those back on my car? I really believe that women need to learn how to take care of things themselves and not be so damn dependent on men. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a companion (man) who is my equal and loves the same things as I do, but I don't need to be taken care of. I love sailing and I don't want to be the one down in the galley cooking (you probably don't want to eat anything I would cook to begin with). I started out learning to sale on dinghies and fell in love with it. Over the next few years I plan to spend as much time getting as much experience as I can as a sailor. I am buying an RV as a home so I can be totally mobile and get as much sailing in as I can. My goal is to be able to not only be able to sail it but to be able to work on it also.
Are you sure you want an RV, that’s a pretty big vehicle for a woman to handle? A converted transit van may be a better option being smaller and more manageable for a woman......
@@jasongrinnell1986 He's joking, you tit. But congrats on white knighting for someone who's just written a whole paragraph about not needing anyone to look after her. The irony...
@@jasongrinnell1986 mummas girl actually. I was being silly as women, of which I am one, are often marketed to smaller sizes in the vehicle industry too.
Very good video. My wife and I cruised on a Leopard 40 for 6 years. Mostly in Keys, Bahamas, Caribbean. We went slowly, preferring to fully explore places. For example, we spent 2 hurricane seasons in the Dominican Republic, and over a year in Puerto Rico. We might have shared an anchorage at some point, as we didn’t know you then. We loved the cruising life. We only sold because I got tired of working on my boat in exotic places. I really wasn’t cut out for maintenance. The wife wasn’t happy about leaving the cruising life. But I will say, you are right on about tacking. We could barely make 100 degrees. If we needed to make a lot of windward work, we turned on the iron jib. In passage making, we figured on about 150 miles/day. One thing I’d like to point out in light of your decision to buy a fast, light trimaran is the the clip at the end of the video of a trimaran flipping over! I don’t think I’d be comfortable doing those kinds of speeds for protracted periods. But, I guess it could be like what an owner of a Gunboat catamaran told me. If weather was going to deteriorate, he would just out run it.
Love the observations regarding getting less sail area up and still moving well. I have a schionning and that is why I purchased her. With less sail area up captain, crew and rig are all less stressed and yet we make miles. Great video. Before buying I test sailed many of the heavier cats and was amazed at how much sail area was required to get them to move well. Tons of stress on the rig
You two ARE ROCKSTAR!! You guys sailed one of this centuries most important environmentalists SAFELY transatlantic through extremely rough seas! When Greta wins the Nobel prize, I am certain you two will be thanked!
This is a video people need to watch. The data is so important, especially the polar diagrams. On a long passage, that 3% more speed can mean getting in the day before the Force 8 storm vs the day after.
Good story Riley, you convinced me that it is possible to travel safe with a multihull.!! One thing i still miss on a multihull is the beauty that a monohull can have. BUt right that is emotion :-)
Really good information, well presented. You have evolved into a fantastic communicator. These types of videos are so important to the future development of world sailing. Lifestyle videos are fun, entertaining and engaging, but many people really want the technical how to and why is it so videos as well. Cheers Peter
I have been riding high-performance motorcycles for decades and have done a fair bit of high-performance cat sailing. They are both said to be dangerous and yes can be when pushed too far. Experience will teach you not to ever do that. Great vlog my friend. Can`t wait to see you and your family on the new tri.
Great video mate!!!! We inexperienced lot, planning to go sailing one day, need to hear this type of message. It is dangerous to go out there sailing on something a sales person sold, purely to get the commission. It's good to know the sailing community does stand up for the newbies.
I am also standing in line to buy the aforementioned tee-shirt. Being the buffoon that I am, most likely I am in the wrong line... “Just another buffoon in the middle of reformation.”
Gdday loved the video I’m a Pom that became a Kiwi ,what you said about the wrong boat is very true I bought a cat that turned out to be way to fast for me and my age now I’m looking at a cat that was designed for ocean cruising and built by a real multi hull builder and sailor I’m a charter game skipper going back to my first love sailing,you said so many truths that took me a long time to learn but I learned I’m going to get the book you suggested and I think your video is a must watch for anybody thinking of cruising,be safe out there regards Tony.
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It's funny. My wife's the sailor and I'm usually the one asking about AC and creature comforts. We've gone to a few boat shows and it does throw the salesmen for a twist when she's asking on about performance, and I'm just wandering around thinking more about where's best for the kids to jump off the deck. She has a rule - if the salesman starts talking to her about colours and what's her favourite, she walks off.
@@SailingLaVagabonde HA! Not sailing related, but I can still remember my mom and dad walking into a car dealership and my dad saying to the salesman, "what are you talking to me for, we told you she's the one buying a new car!"
@@alankaye4382 Sales People don't like women in general. Not only in the Car industry but in general with everything. Women are practical beings, they look for the perks not the flash... yes there are women out there that like a huge car (with the 3 letters) over a T****ta in a metallic blue with all the bells and whistles, but those are a minority. If you have a partner that has that mind set, don't be upset, be happy... she is a keeper. My Ex was the one with the 3 letter car... that is why she is a gonnaaaaaaa
The industry is very weirdly sexist. For a short while I used to market a range of cruiser racer monohulls. They were a pedigree hull shape with a cruising interior. Remember there are only a few customers each year for each sales office. The repeating issue, trying not to be sexist, was 95% of the time the guys wanted the boat to race and the wives wanted a boat to have family days. I loved an experienced wife (or more importantly an experienced couple. Actually two very different levels of experience is the problem not the sexism) We lost a few sales to couples stuck in the dilemma of ‘If I buy the racier boat she thinks it’s about me. If I get the more cruising orientated boat it’s a family purchase that will suck performance wise for Saturday racing but at least we still can have a boat.’ I used to just hope they liked sailing in a few years time once they had learned this was faulty thinking. I prayed the wife got into it as a sport not treated it as a lunch boat. Key point is delineation between sport & recreation. Serious ocean cruising is more a sport & easy passage cruising is recreation still. I think the marketing is sexist partly because of the above reasons and also for business reasons such as product development. The issue is custom v production. Production means you can buy a similar boat to a $1m custom boat for $300k. The production boat is a different boat though because it’s about getting away with making the biggest boat for the cheapest price. They are marketed by those who know it’s about capturing the entry sailor v experienced. High end racing sailors don’t go to boat shows. Custom yacht builders don’t go to boat shows. Why? People at boat shows don’t know about polars and when someone does they know to call the designer or custom boat builder. Think too how the production yachts are cheap and good bang for bucks. To tool up a product is expensive and you must make sure it hits the broadest market possible. The interiors are perceived as very important to less experienced and production boat interiors do look good. ironically the more interior the lower the performance. Also, when a couple comes to talk the less experienced one is going to talk about stuff they are confident is their thing which might be cupboard space not how the winch is positioned. So in the discussion to purchase later the weighting of cupboards is unusually higher in priority than it should. Get two inexperienced sailors and they will buy for the interior. Even if they have done a few courses or crossed a few oceans does not mean they are experienced. Experience is not until you look at performance and know how a fitting, fixture, interior, mast, sail type will alter the performance. It’s about knowing why you want a particular type of performance too. So sexism is about the failures of the entry point to the market. Rather than getting people into good sailing boats instead they are just about extracting their cash. I can see why...they need to eat too yeah? Buyer be ware.
@@alankaye4382 BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ur dad seems to be joyfull!
@@chrispomfret8592, Spot on man! I was about to write something similar.
Riley old school sailor here. That was the best presentation that I have heard on the tube. Much respect. All i ever had was a compass, sextant, and AM radio. Sailed all over the pacific. Thankyou.
Sydney - Phuket via Indo (surfing), beginning of the eighties.....same same and still cannot use a sextant, just kept Oz off to the port till we banged into New Guinea then made a starboard tack up the Torres Straight.
@@pearlyshells2430 easy as that mate
Any advice on how to learn to use a sextant? Could you recommend any books or videos, please? Or do you run an online class on navigating? Cheers!
@@sarahvegangarden4822 50 years ago took a class in Honolulu. A sun shot was about the best I could do.
@@davidhanson3288 But you knew where you were in the Pacific and how far you'd travelled each day? I wish I could learn how to do that. 😁
Well, thank you. A breath of fresh air. I tripped across this video and after a life time of sailing and instructing early, being a dealer, working for factories, living aboard for 14 years, being a multi-hull ferry developer in the U.S., on marine safety boards w/ the USCG, as advisory board member on marine studies and now doing business development planning for large maritime projects. Thanks. This is what I've been discussing for years.
The mission defines the boat at point of purchase.
Catamaran sailboats don't point well. There are other benefits.
You probably don't know 10% of what you need to know to be safe.
You need to know all the systems and how to fix stuff.
Every time I've sailed on someone else's boat I've asked if they practice man-overboard and if their wife could do it if it was them that was overboard. The answer was....not one.
Most sailors do not even know an absolutely reliable way to do it regardless of conditions or point of sailing.
Most sailors are not proficient at reefing especially in parts of the world where winds are more consistently lighter.
Most, in fact, who've been sailing for years do not how to tie up their boat properly or anchor in a safe way, thoroughly understanding the forces at work. Most don't jibe safely.
Please do more of these and focus on specific smaller subjects like what happens if something breaks when cruising offshore. Rig, electronics, engine, consumables, damage to hull underway, fatigue, injury, and all the things that the family at the boat show or broker didn't think about.
Thanks again.
Great advice.
This sounds interesting. Would you consider doing a series of videos yourself, just explaining things to the camera, maybe doodle on a whiteboard?
Would love to read / hear more about your experiences and thoughts. I think it is hard to come by someone that has a more broad and diverse perspective to the topic than you.
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Holy shit... I just learned more from your comment than I have in years of watching these videos. Whelp... back to square one!
"Its gonna piss people off" yup, my kinda video. I love when Riley gets his rant on 😂
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Enlightening and such great advice. The truth serum is doing the trick mate. No agenda advice... priceless! 👌🏻
You call that a rant? 😂
@@Nixontheman i call it the diet coke of pissing ppl off.
I'm not a sailor but I will more than happily listen to someone talk about something that they have well-researched and are passionate about and I found this really interesting. I like they SLV are crowd sourced and so are one of only a few with a platform in this area who are able to point out where the systems aren't working. Great video
I'm not a sailor either and just love to surf, but watching SLV all these years is my fav wholesome series that makes you feel good. No agendas or a lot fo negative content just these 3 Aussies learning to navigate their way around the planet. They've learned so much over the past 5 or 6 years and that's totally interesting...such a chill show with great vibes.
@@Peanutdenver Wholesome is the word I think of too. Once (or twice) a week I just forget everything, get comfortable and see what Lenny's been up to. :)
Preach...Riley...I/we enjoy that you have created a platform for the people by the people ...so informative ..I may not ever buy a cat but at least my dreams will be well informed....fun to watch you flex your celebrity status...always using your powers for good...keep it all up!!
I love how I don’t have a boat, or any idea how to sail and I’m still watching this 😂
Likewise 😂. First video I’ve watched on sailing.
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Me too actually. 😉😂
We are a family of 4 G7 B3 and have been living onboard a Prout 33 foot catamaran for a year and a half. The boat cost us £31,000 and we have Travelled from the UK to the Channel islands, up the Seine to Paris and down the French canal system to Mediterranean. We then day sailed all the way from the south of France to Portugal travelling an average of 6 hours per day with time to swim and explore along the way. We have had an amazing adventure and are now in Portugal working out how to upgrade to an ocean going vessel so now Rileys opinions become more relevant to us. These youtube channels have been a great inspiration to us but the most important thing was that we worked out a way to make our adventure happen and we set off. To anyone considering this lifestyle just find a way to make it happen and take that leap of faith. You won't regret it.
Sailing Ruby Rose have also been on the same case as Riley . Experienced sailors they eventually settled on a Seawind as their new boat. Fast but comfortable . MJ Sailing have also been looking at Seawind . The South African guy Riley spoke about with the Lagoon has been sailing all his life in rough South African waters (which can get pretty frisky) and really knows what he is doing , so is not worried to have a slower heavier boat . Heavy, as Riley said , can be good in bad weather . But Colin , an ex superyacht engineer , bought an ex-charter Lagoon 45 , and is now having a nightmare as one of the hulls is trying to break away from the bulkheads !
@@englishmaninfrance661 not that I am a laggon fan, but Colin’s boat is a recovered hurricane damged vessel. Not sure it is fair to imply that hulls breaking away from the bulkhead is a frequent risk for a heavier catamaran.
@@peterstevens1344 Colin was very clear that the damage was caused BEFORE the hurricane .
Great job Riley. You opened sailors minds with honesty and transparency. Thanks also for sharing the info from my book “CATAMARANS , The Complete Guide for Cruising Sailors”. The book is in its 3rd edition and its humbling to see how many people seem to have benefited from its content. As important as the right boat is - I have found that timing and being with the right crew is almost more crucial. A final message to all: “Just go out there and do it ..and don’t wait until you have saved it all ..as that ‘tomorrow’ may never come”. - Gregor Tarjan, Aeroyacht.
Thanks for writing the book! I have it here to prepare for our "living aboard a cat" plans! Has been a pleasure to read so far!
I’ve binged about 16 hours of sailing content recently and I must say this is the best video I’ve come across
From one reforming buffoon to another: Don't ever forget how much you've achieved and how much new wisdom you have - well done so far mate keep it up!
Riley, the world is starving for truth, transparency, honest opinions, and to hear and be heard. We are flooded with information streams; virtually all of which are manipulated for selfish gain, or political agendas, Thank you for your integrity and courage.
well said. thanks Riley.
@RAH Capital I’ll admit, my ignorance kept that in the dark for me for awhile. The evil that lies among us including the corruption is overwhelming
Agreed 👍 It’s refreshing to see someone provide solid information that is clearly aimed at setting folks in the right direction.
I’m a lady and a naval architect. I promise I care more about the nerd numbers 😂
ho hi, I'm trying to get there... still at the ship building HND thoo, so about 4 more years to go before I get the same tittle ^^. thoo how can you like all of the numbers ;-; ? the interesting part to me is the beautifull boat at the end and the data that comes at the end of the calculations. (I'm currently hating the basic quadratic equasion used to get the metacentric Z coordinates... but I kinda like the integrals used to defined all the principle hydrostatic data (I havn't started dynamic macanic yet :/))
Excellent.
@@alvinp3197 sorry for whatever in your life is causing you to be so rude. I’ll just go back to my well paying NAVAL ARCHITECTURE job. Feel free to find me on LinkedIn.
@@TheSuburbansky1 yup still me. Glad my winter hat let’s you know my gender.
@@TheSuburbansky1 thanks for showing your ignorance! If you’ve never met a woman with short hair than I’m guessing you’ve never actually been a sail cruiser.
This is great advice. Trust me I have sailed professionally, am an ex sailmaker, have won some serious regattas, sailed dinghies and yachts, managed race boats, raced 18’ skiffs and have even sold yachts. Riley is spot on here. (I’ve watched you mature , in particular the crossing with Greta I saw you then become a good yachtie) The idea of bridging the high performance gap in the cruising world is legitimately the way forward. Talking polars is just as important for a cruising sailor as it is a racing sailor. People forget the slower you go the more load is on EVERYTHING. Don’t forget it’s the same patch of water so sailing an easy to sail boat with a chassis built around performance is better than a chassis built around the interior. Why? The wind and waves are the same. The speed of weather is the same. The more cruising equipment you carry the slower you will go and the more cumbersome it will be with every action so chose lighter each time. Racing people want things to work so use that knowledge and benefit from their trials. They are the better sailors dont forget. The harder things are, the slower you go, the more dangerous positions you will put yourself in. Cruisers get stuck in a mentality particularly when estimating strengths required. Every time you repair a fitting, chose a rope, cleat or sail cloth type cruisers usually over build. Stop it. Stop saying ‘if your cruising it doesn’t matter how slow you are because you have time’. grrrrr No! This adds up to more cost, heavier to lift things on your own, harder to sail short handed, poor quality materials, bigger anchors, etc, etc, etc. Riley has nailed this advice. The sweet spot is not averaging 18 to 25 knots which is fast it’s probably 12 to 15 but most boats are so damn slow they only do 6 or 7. That’s dangerous. Also, if you are new then help yourself out buy the boat that will help you sail better rather than the cheap production charter boat built around price so is a pig to sail. Sadly the industry is known at entry level for the sales guy that will sell you a cheap Benateau with he shallow draft cruising keel with no stability which then needs a smaller mast but has a bulky bubble pregnant hull shape built around the interior or catamaran equivalent. You’ll hate the performance then spend dearly replacing and upgrading fittings. Rather than enjoy the sailing early you’ll be frustrated or stunted in your learning. Perhaps you’ll teach yourself bad habits from your bad equipment too. Don’t forget you will spend most of your time on deck. The hierarchy should always have performance before price, then storage, then looks, etc. So good on Riley for rattling the production yachts cages.
@@SailingLaVagabonde Now when are you going to get yourself a foiling moth? I can see you jumping forward in your sailing thinking then. Also, Lenny needs a dinghy soon. Adam Beashel’s kids were sailing from 2 yrs. it was fair dunking their cot then their first boat.
You are in the public eye, and this video is offering a public service - You did not name and shame - Be proud as you help others - great vid
I agree! Good job mate!
I was surprised to see my face, but good job!
So grateful for this video. My wife and I are looking for a live aboard and we were initially looking for a more comfy option. Watching a bunch of sailing videos my gut was telling me we should be looking at something that’s designed to sail first…with comfort built around that. This video helps solidify my feelings and will steer us in a better direction.
As someone who enjoys your videos but has no desire to own a boat I didn't need to watch this video. Yet here I am 20 minutes in
Me af
Yep, me to.....
Same here ... LOL
Its the frustrated ranting for me 😂
Ditto!
I would like to hear more from Riley about sailing.
@@SailingLaVagabonde 👍
Yes, I always want to here about sailing from The Riley school of sailing!
Yes definitely 👍
yup...this channel is great but Since they know so much about sailing why not talk a bit more on it? Don't waste that knowledge.
Howdy D.D., love that movie!
Decided a few days ago(I have been thinking about this for 20 years) that I am ready to live and explore on a Cat.. Literally this first video I have watched. Ordered the book, the math made more sense to me than just about anything else and I am looking forward to taking a deep dive into this lifestyle. I will send pics no later than 12/5/2023
Any updates?
@@jelanibyrd5031 he sunk
As someone who doesn’t know anything technical about sailing but loves to learn, I would definitely support more of these videos. Riley, you don’t have to be the world’s smartest person to be able to share knowledge with others. Just share what you know, and share how your view might be biased (which you’ve done an excellent job with in this video).
As an industrial designer who sits in front of a computer in CAD all day but knows nothing about sailing this is unbelievably fascinating and interesting. It all makes so much sense and makes me want to get into this world immediately.
I’m 16 and every single video of your channel I watch makes me wanna buy a sail boat one day. I only get to sail with my uncle in the summer months and use to sail with my grandpa in his maldives 32 and those are the best times. Hope I can get a nice catamaran one day !
Amazing how such a perfectly intuitive idea-"a floating house isn't the safest house, or boat"-can be so easily and quickly ignored and overlooked by so many. Including me.
I'm gonna pull a "Riley" as well, sell everything and buy a boat. Thank you for the inspiration!
I pay the man today for his 37' Gulfstar and take possession on Sunday
Always remember what B.O.A.T. stands for and be prepared to live up to it. Never lose heart and remember it is about the journey, not just the mansion on water dream. Life doesn't always give you what you want, but nothing you can't handle.
Best advice I ever got: Sailing is like standing in a cold shower fully clothed tearing up $100 bills. And it's totally amazing.
@@tomd.3082 Congratulations mate! Well done
@@DuckStorms Hahaha, sounds like fun!
Absolutely excellent points.
I've watched my dad buy boats. He always looks for a strong boat, strong rigging, repairable everything. He wants to be able to get to the inside of the hull everywhere in the boat, he wants to be able to get to every system in the boat. I've seen him change out every hose clamp on the boat because they were all different . . . he made them all the same and put a bag of extras in his parts bin. Galleys can be modified, a portable freezer can go in, it's more important to have good access to your sail and fender lockers, to have good solid storage for your tender, to have a high quality anchor and chain.
Safety, reliability, and repairability first. All the other stuff comes after.
That said, I want to add another thing . . . I agree with Riley, so does my dad. You've got to be able to sail . . . a stodgy boat would never be even considered.
You just nerded everywhere... jk Riley
I have never sailed and I'm not looking to buy a boat but this video was very easy to watch and consume. Great animations, edits, and content. The video is genuine too and I think that's what I like about it. You're trying to help those that are trying to get into sailing and shows a bit more of your personality. You guys are great!
There is nothing like the sea to teach anyone the qualities you display with such class, humility and grace. I have been following you guys for years now and it is a pleasure to see you asserting yourselves not by bragging or inflated platitudes, but with words and actions born of battle scars and real moments truly lived at the intersection of transcendence and bliss. You have earned your stripes and your advice is on par with the best available; clear, concise, to the point and, of course crowned with that touch of Aussie charm. Tell them like it is, Riley!! As a sailor who has crossed the big waters and dipped my toes in 5 of the seven seas plus a few other ponds around this blue pebble ( and still knows very little about most anything), your video serves so many purposes and reminds me of many precious memories. And if absent this gift it renews my faith in the human race. Here is to more of you! Cheers, mate. Sail far, live free.
Thanks for sharing this, it is very thought provoking. One point to remember is that not every boat owner is a liveaboard cruiser, with a TH-cam channel, crosses oceans and has a $750,000 budget. Many of us have to work for a living, are only able to cruise for a few weeks every year and mostly just spend weekends sailing local waters such as Moreton Bay. We can and do avoid 40kt winds and 6m waves. We count the hours spent on the water, not the miles travelled in 24hrs. Everyone has a different situation with different requirements which probably explains why there are so many different boats out there. There is no such thing as a perfect boat, the best you can hope for is to find a boat that is close to perfect for you.
"Many of us have to work for a living" OUCH 🐠
@@hill-n-dalefarm Hahaha. Perhaps I should have said "many of us have to work for a living ON LAND"
Excellent arguments for the superiority of cats Riley!!
I’ve been convinced of this for several decades, but I still own a monohull. The problem is simply cost. Catamarans are not just a little more costly they are massively more costly to purchase. The vast majority of people will only ever be able to purchase a used boat, and then probably within a max price range that is multiple times less than what you can buy a ocean cruising catamaran. This drives people who really want a used catamaran (forget new, out of the question for most all) but can’t afford one, to look at the low budget designs I think are marginally suitable at best for ocean sailing.
Maybe you can do a Part 2 of this topic focused on “now that you decided to buy a catamaran, here is the spectrum of options and relative cost”.
Anyway, great video, very practical and useful...and brave to take this one on. By the way, really cool animations.
This is 2 years too late but that's what I think he's saying here. There's no reason for production charter cat not to be more performance oriented if that's what people are asking for. Simple, slim, light, mass prod cat can be way cheaper than they are now.
So true about the gender stereotypes! When we were shopping for our first boat the salesperson would talk to my husband every time. Sometimes we just had to walk away because they wouldn’t talk to me even after my husband says”talk to my wife, she’s the sailor.”
it's the same when the salesperson spoke to my wife every time when I buy a skin product
If 95% of their buying customers are male its not really a stereotype. It's just the nature of business.
Riley, you are such a humble, kind-hearted man, and it really comes through when you're sharing your thoughts. You certainly don't come across as a "know it all" ...... you come across as someone who adores sailing and, like a loving parent, you want others who love sailing, to avoid a few of the pitfalls along the way, so they can get to the good bits. You truly have a heart of gold, and oh boy - you have such an infectious laugh. Your face lights up like a Christmas tree when you smile. Your little men are going to learn so much from their Papa.
The one thing all people have in common is we all “don’t know what we don’t know”. Thanks Riley, you just bent my brain. Fab insight from an experienced (and honest) sailor. Good on ya.
I guess that's why we all think we're right about everything.
"If I have offended anyone, let me know" You don't offend people Riley, some people 'feel' offended... Great vid again!
Yeah. Like someone said: Just because you're offended doesn't mean that you're right.
@@angela1984a Exactly that!
A great video Riley.
I was talking to my brother about it “Darren Newton” who is Co owner and designer of Dazcat in the UK. He was impressed with your comments and how as a designer for him to find that sweet spot of weight, performance, comfort and cost is very difficult and subjective especially if you want to put the boat into production.
You may know Dazcat’s are principally sports cruisers so lean more to racing and performance cruising with all the requirements and comfort for the family. I know over the past year they have been discussing exactly what you have been saying, but one of the main issues they have to make a yacht design a reality is the lack of information from people who live the life, just like yourself and your family, so what you are doing will be a great help to the industry and future boat owners.👍
I know “Daz” Darren would love to talk to you about this subject and possibly help, so please feel free to contact him via the company website... www.multihullcentre.com
Keep up the good work...
Hey! I am a excited 17 year old and have been sailing since I was little. I am just applying to colleges, but more than anything I just want to sail. Watching your videos is keeping me sane. I love learning about this stuff so thanks for making this video.
It's good. This is what people want to hear when doing real research. Everyone starts out blind.
“A buffoon in the midst of reform” should be life’s maxim: De emendatione inter scurra.
Riley, long time lurker here. Although it's the beautiful sailing lifestyle videos that got me following, it's largely your approach to reasoning and discussion that I've stayed for. Very glad you settled on putting out this video! Also you know it's gonna be a good'un when the Vaga crew put their acting shoes on for the intro 😂
Youins know what, I reckon I’ll agree with ya. I mean Sheeut Far!
I did own a few boats and indeed I ended up always helming. We finally bought an Outremer51 and when we took delivery in La Grande Motte, I refuse to helm the boat out of the slip. That was a bit of a surprise to my spouse. She looked at me and said fine (in a stressed kind of way) . She has been helming ever since and I am just a crew. I love it and yes she adjusts the sails and tell me when a reef is required etc. We end up probably sailing better and with a happier boat. We are now both concerns with keeping the boat light, not over canvassed. An over 200 miles day is a beautiful thing.
Straight out of the gate you projected integrity, enthusiasm - and a humble, yet convincing authority. I last sailed decades ago, when I was rated Offshore Hand by the ROYRC - I would follow your lead / advice without question. Thakyou for a really good presentation
That one won’t get you the “most” views but it may well get you the “most important” views. Great video.
I can't say enough how nice this video is. The fact that crowdfunding makes it possible to hear this level of honesty from someone who's opinion I respect so much is meaningful. Thank you for telling us what no one else would! YOU ARE THE BEST!!
Humility is an essential asset when setting out on an new endeavour
what I often miss in the interior of boats is their suitability for sleeping and cooking in challenging conditions. To me those are two very important aspects of the interior of a sailing vessel. If you can't sleep or prepare (hot) nutritious meals during a long crossing because your beds/bunks are too big or don't offer side-to-side support and you can't stay in the kitchen because the lay-out is not suitable for safe cooking in suboptimal conditions, you're in big trouble. The crews health and condition will deteriorate fast.
Do you remember their video from the monohull when they were crossing the Pacific, and Elayna got hurt by hot stuff flying off the gimballed stove in the galley ... I think that's one of the reasons why Elayna loves her catamaran.
You missed the point of this video then. That’s secondary. Sure it’s important but a comfy boat through the water makes sleeping and cooking easier. The interior can be changed but the parameters of the hull shape, rig, performance numbers can’t be changed.
@@chrispomfret8592 I absolutely did not miss the point of the video. It made me think of what aspects are important to take into consideration when buying or designing a boat. I shared those thoughts. Besides, rig and performance numbers and even hull shape can certainly be changed (but you have to think about how far you want to take things before going for another boat ;-))
@@Jessicaenplukje I didn’t mean to offend. I am simply trying to highlight an interior can be adapted to work well. I disagree that you can alter the performance of a boat much though. The hull shape, keel depth, mast & sail areas once designed are difficult or super expensive to change. As a professional we used to try racing Beneteau’s for owners but in the end they cost more than a racing boat. Rather than burn the owner out we’d suggest it was time for a new more suitable boat.
@@SailingLaVagabonde Sorry Jessica if I didn’t read it correctly or if I came across as harsh.
I like people being straight forward. Maybe some people don´t like it. So what? Keep going Riley, you truly inspire. Truth sparks and always will.
The value of information that comes from a person that completely loves his sailing and set out to live it, is priceless. Good job................Michael
Absolutely love the story of trying to buy your first boat and the surveyor tells the yard to put the boat back into the water.... We need more people like him on the planet.
If you keep in mind that 95% of your time spending on boat is at anchoring place, you will make a cleaver compromise between performances and comfort... It’s depend what you want to do with your boat and your life onboard, if you want to go from one point to another as fast as possible or if you want to enjoy the ride slowly and live most of the time between island in mooring place in order to enjoy moving from one lagoon place to another... You just need to know what you want !
Great point but he did point out a specific target of folks he was speaking to and that didn't seem to be it.
This guy is simple, practical and so so honest. Very inspirational.
I love learning more about boats & sailing. I want to sail for a couple years in my life so thank you for keeping it to the point & not worrying about offending someone & instead making sure we’re gonna stay safe.
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Hey Riley. Was great to hear you talk about female confidence in the industry. I am working as a shipwright at the moment and being a girl in a male dominated industry is hard, but hearing guys like you respecting girls who want to get involved is really encouraging! Thanks mate
Go Hannah, Go Girl. Great to read that you are a shipwright....
@@devonmike it’s hard work but when you love boats it’s worth it!
Girls can play too.
@lu impy Exactly - so many women are like this now & it drives me nuts. No one's holding them back, yet they still want to whine about how life's so hard for them. They have no perspective & have been influenced by the psychotic modern feminists, churned out in women's studies university courses.
@@kimjongryan9043 mate, I was trying to thank Riley and elayna for inspiring me to persue a job I love doing and am passionate about... it’s hard for girls to get in to jobs that most guys do but it’s getting easier thankfully.
Amazing, when I started watching these guys (back in their mono-hull days) I could not understand most of what he said.
I needed a translator and to fully decipher his words, I had to watch their videos more than once.
NOW, after several years, I can actually comprehend 95% of what he says! AMAZING!!!!
Hey Riley, I am a lady and I will definitely look into what you stated in the video. I’m interested in a catamaran, and you brought up a lot of points that I haven’t really heard people talk about, so thank you😄
Well done given that you don't tell people what cat brand, length, equip., etc. is the best so difficult to predict how anyone could get upset over what material you presented. Appreciate your honesty and sincerity and if someone out there doesn't 'get that' then 'move on and buy a mistake'.
Yeah, it made us smile ☺
I’m 48 my wife n I purchased a 30 ft sea ray we love it but my goodness a lot to learn. I have lived my whole life using wooden boats flat boats aluminum etc small craft. But slowly working our way up. So much to learn
No one should be offended from what you have said. Truth leads to course corrections on the way to peace., and peace is being a blessing. You three are.
This is great Riley! Exactly what people need to hear and learn from. I know I need to brush up on some reading... Thanks so much for putting this out here!
I am sure you do not own a vessel of any kind because all that this guy said was gobbledygook, gibberish with a little of nonsense mixed in you fool
@@kunzaxe I found it very helpful. It's not really a how to but should serve as a guide to how to approach the question of what boat do I want.
My issue is I'm new and have never sailed a cat.. I like how mono hulls talk to you. I can feel it power up over power and the like.
Second time I’ve watched “Truth” and I appreciate the honesty from someone who’s lived it. Thanks for your courage 😎
I agree with so much of this. When were choosing boats my wife was very into all the ratios.
Our budget ruled out performance catamarans. We accept the comfort compromises of a boat we can afford.
When you can't go fast enough to pick the weather you need tough enough to survive. Hence, for us a 43 year old Rival 38.
Ok you got me. I didn't really pay attention too much to your channel because I thought it was "cute couple milking people for dollars whilst sailing" but this one is pure win. You nailed it, were very honest (at a risk), and no cleavage. Cheers mate on being an honest sailor, a decent soul, a good person and putting this out there. When I bought my Lagoon 42 I didn't even know what a polar was. I relied too much on the brokers and sailing magazine articles. I wish I had. I love my boat but I think now about how I could have improved my sailing options. Thank you. I 100% endorse your "opinions" based on my experience.
My husband and I are sailing cruisers. I didn’t understand some of what you were explaining but it does make me realize that the performance of the boat is more important than I realized. Above all I want to be safe, and if we are able to get through a storm and into a safe harbour quicker than that’s the smartest thing to focus on. Thanks for the info.😉
this is certainly the benefit of being so popular, you can get away with speaking about the hard facts. This information is needed and difficult for people to talk about, if they are trying to not ruffle feathers. Well done.
Has anyone notice haw great the animations are done?
I love this new addition to the videos it reminds me of lizzie mcguire old times.
Great work.
A big hug and all my best wishes to you guys from Spain .
I did the IYT bareboat skipper course recently...have been watching lots of sailing vid's...but this is the first time to watch what I've learned is the granddaddy of them all. And now I can see why this guy (and partner), is/are so successful. Super knowledgable, sharp, funny. I'm impressed.
I'm so glad you uploaded this. I'm really wanting to buy one and this is really gonna help. Thanks guys stay awesome.
Good on you, it’s addictive. Slot yourself into the cruiser/racer category rather than the cruiser or weekend warrior category and you will find a good boat to start with. Also, get yourself on a dinghy no matter your age. Learn there first.
@@chrispomfret8592 Awesome thank you for the advice
Dude, our family is on this journey to get ourselves there in the next couple years, thanks for sharing your learnings, despite all the entertainment this is really helpful for the ones like us that are a step or two behind.
Heck yeah!
Thanks! It takes a lot, but if you don’t do, you’ll never will. (If that makes sense)
Cripes Riley I am 62 semi retired living in Adelaide and saw you guys on the ato day program 2 or 2 weeks ago and have found myself watching your sailing videos. Whether I am ever get a boat I don’t know. But seriously good content. Love seeing you and your families adventures
Not just multihulls but all boats seem to be very focused on interior layout. I'd love to see a boat review that spends a lot of time talking about safety, performance, polars .....
Like the topic and thanks for presenting Riley. :)
Thanks Riley, could you please share your opinion of what performance parameters you suggest. Like. A good crusading speed
Dont know if any of you have seen the sirius 35ds or 40ds . They have lots of great ideas both for ease of sailing and interior size. However I cant find any where the performance / polars / stability etc.. To me the dont look to be a fast hull shape.....I expect it to be a bit slow but the question is how much ?
Ps there are several TH-cam vids explaining features for them.
I love your little family, my daughter calls your channel “lenny” and we love the vlogs generally. But honestly this information and how to sail stuff is more interesting and would be great to have slightly more balance as to how you sail your vessel in some of your videos. Just why you have which sheets out when and how you are feeling about each trip. Peace from Melbs ✌🏻
8:25 Sailing Sisu since you couldn’t bring yourself to say it. FANTASTIC channel. Leopard 45 and great info always!
I dont plan on owning any sort of boat or catamaran...but I most def listened to the important stuff, because you never know what life throws at you! thanks for the good info always bro!
This seemed like a great part 1. Bring on more. We need to know it and they need to build them.
Thank you for opening our eyes.
As a woman looking at retiring on a boat with my husband in a few years, this is really helpful. We just got back from a big boat show, and I had been drawn to exactly what you said - big floating houses with 17 fridges and a California King bed. ;) Thank you for making my triangle more balanced! I'll take my high five when we do actually purchase that more performance-oriented vessel down the road.
Never gonna sail at this point, physically to limited at my age, but I have some experience with some safety stuff and the math and physics makes sense to me, as I got a Math degree in college. Great info for folks looking to make the plunge. Good job Riles.
I'd love to see more Riley- or sailing-focused videos like this.
I've owned monohulls most of my life, but in my elder years I am considering a monohull. I really appreciate your insights!
In very extreme weather.... Mono would be safer,. The idea of capsizing would be a disaster, mono would just simply roll back up, I've never seen Riley take it out in extreme weather
Great video Riley! The marine industry is not regulated like airplanes or cars, so consumers need to do more homework and you pointed out exactly why!
“The Riley Monologues”, new series starting, much enjoyed by (nearly) all. Riley, keep them coming. What you have learned and continue to do so, please share. Your audience is rightfully hungry for more.
Never! Worry about what "Others" think of you, While you speak Truth!
Only rest in the knowledge you gave truth!
This is All of life! Nothing to do with "Sailing" or not?
You can lead a horse to water, you can not make them drink.
Love your work!
" It's going to piss off people off" Riley, got to listen to what your own gut about what " you are" enlightened about, nothing wrong with that + experiences to back what you are explaining nothing wrong with that. I could say more on that, I'll leave you with DAI KO MYO and many good sails for La Vagabonde!!
Are you pissed or illiterate!
@@bobdennis8421 th-cam.com/video/LukFXwpTiXA/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=GonewiththeWynns help each other up is better.
Thanks for sharing.
Don’t be shy to do more, write a book, or whatever.
There ain’t many as trustworthy as you, having your experience.
awesome vid mate.
Brilliant mate, great to hear someone saying how it is. My old Cat is ancient but will still apply some of this😁
My idea of a safe catamaran is welding together two decommissioned oil tankers and then putting some sails up...
Now That Is Funny
But how good is your welding?
@@philgray1023 maybe not the best... but probably would throw in a bunch of bolts here and there just for good measure
😂😂😂
Why would having an Informed intelligent discussion about the debate between performance hulls and heavy structure hulls ever upset anyone. You provided a lot of solid information and opportunities to investigate different opinions than yours. This was perhaps the most brilliant episode I’ve ever seen from La Vagabonde discussing actual sailing issues. Well done! While Lagoons are heavy boats, your point about preferring to be in a heavier boat in 5 m waves is well-made. Lagoons, though heavy, do seem to win the Atlantic Rally for Cruisers fairly often. So I would suggest that across a broad spectrum of experience a heavier boat might just be the turtle slow and steady resulting in the winning outcome. But for more experienced sailors like you and Nikki, there is no question performance is a stronger draw and allows you to get out there rather than stay in Port or run from Port to Port.
@Tim Sawyer got to disagree about 'room' when discussing performance oriented cats.......
Been looking at those Freedoms for man years now....nice vessels, never really caught on those free standing sticks globally? Been watching this at least once every few months for the last few years...enjoy.........th-cam.com/video/iFle9YZCzLw/w-d-xo.html
This is my idea of cruising the deep blue......she can make 12 knots with acres of room...th-cam.com/video/SHgNA64ExL8/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/BPEDnr1HUDo/w-d-xo.html
just needs free standing sticks......
Your experience and intelligent understanding of sailing is self evident Riley. You’ve just saved me 7 years and 80,000 miles. Thanks mate.
For sure, when he said throw all your preconcieved notions out I struggled with figuring out how to delete nothing. Theres not a button for that.
You are keeping it real and doing all the people who want to enter the cruising world.
It is frustrating the prejudice against women that salesMEN have. As a woman who can build almost anything, can work on engines and can fix pretty much anything. I get really frustrated by salesmen who think that I am just another little housewife or fashionista. I have had men mechanics bring out a handful of bicycle parts and tell me that I needed to replace these 300.00 parts. I was like no thank you, but I would like to watch you put those back on my car? I really believe that women need to learn how to take care of things themselves and not be so damn dependent on men. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a companion (man) who is my equal and loves the same things as I do, but I don't need to be taken care of. I love sailing and I don't want to be the one down in the galley cooking (you probably don't want to eat anything I would cook to begin with). I started out learning to sale on dinghies and fell in love with it. Over the next few years I plan to spend as much time getting as much experience as I can as a sailor. I am buying an RV as a home so I can be totally mobile and get as much sailing in as I can. My goal is to be able to not only be able to sail it but to be able to work on it also.
Are you sure you want an RV, that’s a pretty big vehicle for a woman to handle? A converted transit van may be a better option being smaller and more manageable for a woman......
@@deanie3246 fine example of bigotry. Are you sure you can handle a RV? Mommas boy....
@@jasongrinnell1986 He's joking, you tit. But congrats on white knighting for someone who's just written a whole paragraph about not needing anyone to look after her. The irony...
Misandry and victimhood.
@@jasongrinnell1986 mummas girl actually. I was being silly as women, of which I am one, are often marketed to smaller sizes in the vehicle industry too.
Very good video. My wife and I cruised on a Leopard 40 for 6 years. Mostly in Keys, Bahamas, Caribbean. We went slowly, preferring to fully explore places. For example, we spent 2 hurricane seasons in the Dominican Republic, and over a year in Puerto Rico. We might have shared an anchorage at some point, as we didn’t know you then. We loved the cruising life. We only sold because I got tired of working on my boat in exotic places. I really wasn’t cut out for maintenance. The wife wasn’t happy about leaving the cruising life. But I will say, you are right on about tacking. We could barely make 100 degrees. If we needed to make a lot of windward work, we turned on the iron jib. In passage making, we figured on about 150 miles/day. One thing I’d like to point out in light of your decision to buy a fast, light trimaran is the the clip at the end of the video of a trimaran flipping over! I don’t think I’d be comfortable doing those kinds of speeds for protracted periods. But, I guess it could be like what an owner of a Gunboat catamaran told me. If weather was going to deteriorate, he would just out run it.
Love the observations regarding getting less sail area up and still moving well. I have a schionning and that is why I purchased her. With less sail area up captain, crew and rig are all less stressed and yet we make miles. Great video.
Before buying I test sailed many of the heavier cats and was amazed at how much sail area was required to get them to move well. Tons of stress on the rig
You two ARE ROCKSTAR!! You guys sailed one of this centuries most important environmentalists SAFELY transatlantic through extremely rough seas! When Greta wins the Nobel prize, I am certain you two will be thanked!
Amazing job, Riley! I still love watching you after almost 8 yrs.
This is a video people need to watch. The data is so important, especially the polar diagrams. On a long passage, that 3% more speed can mean getting in the day before the Force 8 storm vs the day after.
Sincerity at is finest. We need more of this on social media and youtube. Great video thanks.
We have recently found this lifestyle and I've become somewhat obsessed with making this lifestyle reality. Thanks for the info!
Good story Riley, you convinced me that it is possible to travel safe with a multihull.!!
One thing i still miss on a multihull is the beauty that a monohull can have. BUt right that is emotion :-)
Really good information, well presented. You have evolved into a fantastic communicator. These types of videos are so important to the future development of world sailing. Lifestyle videos are fun, entertaining and engaging, but many people really want the technical how to and why is it so videos as well. Cheers Peter
I have been riding high-performance motorcycles for decades and have done a fair bit of high-performance cat sailing. They are both said to be dangerous and yes can be when pushed too far. Experience will teach you not to ever do that. Great vlog my friend. Can`t wait to see you and your family on the new tri.
Great video mate!!!! We inexperienced lot, planning to go sailing one day, need to hear this type of message. It is dangerous to go out there sailing on something a sales person sold, purely to get the commission. It's good to know the sailing community does stand up for the newbies.
If there ever was a statement to describe the human condition it's "I am a bafoon in the midst of reform...." LOL! I want the T-shirt!
Ya that was my favorite part too.
Straight talk from an intelligent, practical, safety conscious and very likeable Aussie. Oriented... Safe travels
I am also standing in line to buy the aforementioned tee-shirt.
Being the buffoon that I am, most likely I am in the wrong line...
“Just another buffoon in the middle of reformation.”
ME TOO!!!! T-SHIRT (U-BAFOON) LOL
LOVE ❤️ YOU GUYS!!!!
Gdday loved the video I’m a Pom that became a Kiwi ,what you said about the wrong boat is very true I bought a cat that turned out to be way to fast for me and my age now I’m looking at a cat that was designed for ocean cruising and built by a real multi hull builder and sailor I’m a charter game skipper going back to my first love sailing,you said so many truths that took me a long time to learn but I learned I’m going to get the book you suggested and I think your video is a must watch for anybody thinking of cruising,be safe out there regards Tony.