A 40ft cruising trimaran that can do 24 knots? This new Dragonfly 40 is a beast!
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- Dragonfly boss and designer Jens Quorning shows Toby over his new flagship Dragonfly 40. Capable of 11-12 knots upwind and over 20 knots off the wind and with the space and draught to let you cruise to most places others can’t reach… what’s the catch? Perhaps the price, which starts at €509,000 ex VAT.
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Apologies about some flickering lighting (before the comments flood in about it!) - the different stands and varying LED frequencies at the boat show played havoc with the camera’s refresh rate. We tried to correct, hence the delay in putting this video out, but still hope you value the content over any imperfections! Toby
It's all good. Owning it is what is up!
Couldn't go a minute, that was horrible =/
Its not about the refresh rate. Its about camera shutter speed and refresh rate of the lighting. In most of Europe the refresh rate is 50hz, so to avoid the flickering you should use 1/50 shutter speed, alternatively 1/100 or 1/150 etc. Avoid using the cameras auto-mode when filming inside, because that will make the camera change the aperture and shutter speed continuously to expose correctly.
@@GLNG Hmmmm. I never looked into this, but maybe you are correct. it seems like you would want a different frame speed, but maybe you do want to synchronize them... same shutter speed is highly unlikely to actually synchronize them though.
@@barking.dog.productions1777 I am correct. :) My explanation was very simplified, but it has to do with the shutter speed. I'll link to a webpage where you can calculate the shutter speed to avoid flicker. www.red.com/flicker-free-video
The designer is a cool dude! I LOVE that guy! He's fascinated and intrigued by his OWN design. That's passion, folks! That's what happens when a guy who's "smarter" than you, shows up on his own playground, remembering what it was like to be a kid, KNOWING how to build the swing-set! What a GREAT video!
Jens is such a cool dude. Thanks for being there for this Guys this is great 👍.
Thank you once again!
been crew on a Farrier F9AX for several years. Oh my, the speed is intoxicating- this takes it up a notch for comfort. Thanks for the review!
Wow Toby, thanks. I can’t wait for your part 2 video of that boat when you take it for a sail. I want to see if you can go upwind 40 degrees off the wind and get to 11-12 knots. That would be incredible. Not a lot of creature comforts, but what an innovative boat. More, please.
Thanks Bert. And believe me that is what I am really looking forward to too! The trials I have had on Dragonflys so far have been some of my most memorable. Let's hope we can see if she'll do what Jens promises this summer...
Thanks Toby and Yachting World... Love your reviews!
It will be fun to see this under sail. They aren't going to sell a lot of these, they appeal to a very specific audience. But I get it. Strip out what you don't need, make it just comfortable enough to be tolerable for shorter cruises, and let it rip. It is for people who care a lot less about creature comforts and how much stuff they can bring with them, and a lot more about how much fun they can have sailing fast. I mean, of course the helm is totally exposed to the weather, because that is the way real men sail!
This is my favorite 40ft sailboat. I’d love to sail one someday. I’ve been on an older 900 and it was amazing. I could only imagine how this thing feels at the helm.
Very nice - love multihulls.
One of my dream boats. Thank you for the video.
You're welcome, thanks Sean
Yachting World and thank you again. I hope you’re staying healthy and safe during this trying time.
Nice to see a larger DF. Will definitely keep in mind for cruising Bahamas.
Love the review. Great guy & great boat. I'm already sorting out my version. I agree with many that the boom looks dangerously low and wish that it was higher and integrated into an arch / traveler. It would allow for the dodger/canvas connections fore / aft for cockpit & helm protection. I'd love to add the Integrel "alternator" and some Lithium batteries, keep the induction and add AC. Even though they aren't the best, some flexible solar panels on the amas could help. On top of the price, this does put this version at a distinct disadvantgae.
Yup.....I bought one. Never sailed before but I'm gonna sail around the world with it. ......Singlehanded.
Hows it going?
@@wilsono-mt4nu Hullo? Making progress? Hullo? Internet must be turned off.
Newer sailed before... Singlehanded :-) on huge trimaran))
Please take me along 🙏
Amazing 👏 🙀 I want to do as well
I'm amazed how good it looked inside. Wow 😳
Good boat ⚓ and I like the way it is. Nice space for a couple 👬
Great vid thanks Toby and team. I still think about that Pogo 30, but increasingly I like the idea of a multi hull for coastal cruising etc. This one looks great. That argument about monohull knock-down recovery vs multihull outrunning weather... it's gone from a whacky idea to more serious for me. Maybe it can't happen for expedition craft, but damn. Getting places at double or triple the speed...
Cruise under motor at 9 knots is amazing. Sailing speed should be excellent. Their smaller boats are great. The 40 should be great too, in a different but related way.
its so beautiful…
Nice boat!)
Spectacular 👍
Very cool boat...love the kayak in the starboard float toy locker... Thanks
70 cm... fantastic, this would be great fun to own.
Just the best dragon fly ever.
Very nice boat.
I love everything in this boat !
(a seperat shower would have be great)
Greeting from France
Nice ship! Caught me off guard. Didn't expect that!
Congratz Toby for the great first view!
I like it even more this time as you asked (very) naive question,like would normal person do.
You almost got the designer "in the shallow" a few times... much respect from me! Very informative.
Thank you
Thank you Vlado!
Sweet boats!
Fantastic piece of engineering.
I can see this being a dream boat for a particular type of sailor.
Magnificent
Yes a sailor who loves speed & quality.
Jans has really taken this idea to a whole new level. Monohull enthusiasts who had never considered such a platform are now queuing up to see it. So YW, based on this quick overview, do you surmise we might see some converts from that hallowed monohull world?
Yes I agree. Dragonfly trimarans have always managed to appeal to both mono and multi enthusiasts, where the former can still apprecaiate that direct feedback from the rudder - yet love that they can cruise or race at thrilling speed. If ever there was a boat to convert die hard monohull fans, this could be it! T
Lovely boat ...
Beau voilier, forcement très rapide. J'aime beaucoup.
perfect place to make a flagon dry.
Any new videos coming soon? Love these reviews, am learning so much!
Nice advanced for simplicity
I did not see any seat belts lol. She is a fast one for sure.👏👍⚓️
I really like this boat. I live on the Florida west coast. If I was going to limit my sailing to VACATIONS around the Gulf, Belize, Cancun, Bahamas and Windward Islands, I would definitely want to own this boat. It's fast, it's fun, it's pretty, (including the interior! unlike too many modern production boats, at any price, who provide cheap, contractor grade looking cabinetry) and it would make a great getaway boat. In spite of what was said, I do not see this as a long term, ocean going cruiser unless you are into camping and standing outside in the rain. But for fun, heck yes!
Beautiful boat, with those speeds passages might take half as long as the average cruiser?
I looked long and hard at Dragonfly before buying the last of Hinckley’s Sou’Wester 59’s. I love the space, comfort and performance of my world class cruising tank, but I might have picked this performance cruiser instead had the 40 been off the drawing board. It’s cramped compared to my boat, but comfortable enough and the speed/fun factor would make up the difference. Would I trade? Certainly not. But this is probably the coolest cruising tri on the market right now, IMHO.
I LIKE it...!!
love this concept and its performance especially enabling bluewater cruising. The only cons I found in the space and price. For an equipped boat it cost easily 700tsd euro if you intend to cross the ocean. If I could afford it, I would buy one.
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Great candidate for a hybrid electric.
Or a fully electric like Sailing La Vagabonde is getting - even if they wanted a bigger boat and decided on a Rapido 60 instead.
absolutely stunning, perfect boat for short trips on even a couple could do extended islands with this beauty, but did he say 700,000 Euro, thats over 1 Million AUD!!
thought it was a nice boat till i heard the price
It’s not the fault of the designer that the Aussie dollar is weaker than Monopoly money!
Obviously no lockdown there! Life goes on! Let's go sailing
This is for people who don't ask about the price just when they can expect delivery.
Dragonflys are built in Denmark. Labor there is more costly than China, Vietnam, Taiwan, South Africa, etc.
Cozy and comfortable inside except the helmsman in pouring rain in total darkness in wide open ocean.
yeah, the Channel in a force 5, that large open cockpit will be empty, below will be very crowded
I'll take one👍
I want to see it sail.
Beautiful! Great for a couple or two to zip around the Caribbean. I would rather make the forward cabin the owner's suite.
Not sure about moving mass out to the ends. There’s a drastic increase in moment of inertia in the longitudinal plane compared to the same mass amidships.
This slows down the response in that plane, potentially making for a wet ride if she’s slow to rise to the seas. I’d want a test sail to windward in a short chop before I’d buy her.
You are talking out of your ass m8. This yard has been building boat's since the 60's and sold more than 200 of the smaller 28 feet. They also build the 920 racing. (Did not Google how many sold)
They got 2 boat's, they hire out. So you can try to see if you can handle it lol
This was just to show that they know what they are doing, when it comes to building fast sailing trimarans.
Stay safe all.
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I was a bit shocked to see jens suggesting that you should use the floats for storage, a generator, etc. I have sailed and raced on lots of tris, owned three of them and generally a bad idea to load mass that far outboard. Dragonflies never come close to Corsairs in performance, but they have always been very well built and designed.
So the guy who designs these boats does not know what he's talking about and some potato head on the internet like you knows more? How many boats have you designed and sold?
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I’ve been sailing all my life mate. Keeping mass out of the ends of the boat is one of the basics. I’ve also sailed the odd pig, designed by more famous designers than this guy. Not saying you cannot possibly design a boat to carry weight in the ends, but I’d still want a sail to windward in a short lop before I’d go and buy one. Neither am I claiming any universal knowledge. Even the best designers get it wrong sometimes. As with anything to do with boat design there are compromises to be made. He may have got it right, but with a lifetime of sailing from 10’ dinghies up to a 120’ square rigger I do have a few clues.
Get your point about the flickering but a short warning wouldn't go amiss.
Se lot of stuff could end up as headache In time if some things fail to work proper over time .but I could be wrong mabe it will be most reliable boat ever built in 30 years
Toby, let’s see you take the 40C offshore and gizzus some action!
WOW love to sail this , Amazing yacht .Price is a bit of a killer but i can see why .
Very nice engine access! It almost makes up for a boom that will give me a skull fracture.
Widow maker... that was my first concern
Dankie/ Merci for the video. Why is the Dragonfly 40 not trailable? Is it to long?
Too wide.
Folded, would it fit on a big trailer truck?
Seeing how low the boom is, I almost lost my head.
Is there any company making double hull closed cell foam flotation hulls like Etap anymore?
Relevance?
Great boat eye wateringly expensive
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Most bad ass tri's attempt to keep weight out of the extremities.
I'm sure it would be more comfortable but I wonder how it would perform against my carbon skinned F-9A I launched in '93.
My dream boat!
As the owner of a Weta 4.4 I've fallen in love with trimarans. For the owner that wants to go F***ING fast, this boat would be a great choice. I'd love one though it's hard to compete in the cruising market with a 40' catamaran that has 10x the liveable space. It's really a matter of priority.
My Weta 4.4 also could do with a big brother like this. Amazing boat. Thanks Toby.
The lack of living space compared to the catamarans are also my concern. Yes, the trimaran is faster, but just how much?! Across the Atlantic a 40 foot trimaran is 14 hours faster than a Lagoon 45, and the Lagoon is 29 tonnes! Choosing a liveaboard in this price range, I would never choose a trimaran just to be able to sail across the Atlantic 14 hours faster! Just saying...
@@jesper1406 there is a reason Lagoon reviews start with how fast they go under engine... a Lagoon 45 upwind you'll be lucky to do 7 knots at 50 true. Downwind is a breeze it is barely more than half the speed of the DF40. If you want a caravan, buy one. If you want to sail then...
How and where would you haul out this boat? If something happens to a monohull or reasonably big catamaran, you will always find boatyard near. But if you have emergency in a trimaran......
Just dry out on any beach?! The outer hulls swing in to reduce beam and it has true shoal draught so can access a lot more waters than most monohulls
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The question still remains. Can it be lifted by a travel hoist if it needs yard work? So many places that’s the only way they can get a vessel out. If it can’t take the strops around its folded amas, you’re stuck. So can it?
@@yachtingworld that may work for cleaning the hull and small repairs. What if you hit something and damage the very bottom of the hull? Or need to change zinc on the propellers? Or the constant antifoul renewing. You would have to plan that in advance, because not every boatyard can accommodate such beamy boat. ( ps: I'm not hating on multihulls. I'm a big fan of them. It's just that sometimes they bring some unexpected challenges ☺)
Also: 'any beach' works maybe for Bahamas. Try finding a safe sandy beach on volcanic islands.......
Goes in a travel hoist.
Thanks Tobi! Not my cup of Tea but interesting
Try one. The smaller Dragonflys are great cruising racers. This one is much larger.
I wonder what the estimated range will be when motoring?
Why would you want to motor?
Ok first things first’ I’m no sailor
But is there really a need for dual helms that are less than 2 metres apart ?
Agree that! Single helm located in the middle position would be better I think.
The idea is you can sit at the edge of the boat with maximum visibility and proper weight distribution whilst still being able to reach the wheel easily. If you were to do that with a single wheel it would take up the whole width of the cockpit, and be very difficult to get around.
Yes, there is.
Boom needs to be a lot higher and put a traveler on an arch. This would then give the ability to have weather protection for the helm and passenger area. No protection from the weather while standing watch would be a no go for me.
its a danish boat so its made to have a sprayhood fitted thats just the way they are made
The same comment on every boat video.
Try to use Google...Just read Silas comment on sprayhood !!
Can you use a camera with a refresh rate that doesn't interfere with the lights in boat shows? That blinking is annoying.
So I'm researching about specifically trimarans to live on. I'm looking for something spacious where 4 people can live months on end without any major drawbacks. I really started to like trimarans because of the nets between the hulls but I'm open for any other boat that might be of consideration. Feel free to throw some comments and narrow down my research to better pinpoint what I have to be looking for. Thank you
Rapido 50
It's a monohull with clip on floats basically.
You should change your name to Captain Obvious....
No, the central hull is much, much narrower, especially compared to modern monohulls. So it probably has interior volume comparable to a 30ft monohull.
You're a dog that's had it's ass shaved and learned to walk backwards. Basically.
Except a lot faster. A Monohull this size would get you to what 12 knots for a pretty good one, whereas this goes twice that speed! It is very useful and interesting in that respect.
We saw 22kts on our McGregor catamaran. Yeah but in open ocean, more like 9kts were as fast as we could go to avoid burying a bow. There were wind conditions and sea state that would allow more but sailing from Majuro (RMI) to Kwalein with a whole slug of squalls we did not average anything close to 12kts.
can this trimaran be trailered like the corsair 37?
No. The Dragonflies 25 and 28 are trailerable, not the 32 or the 40.
Hi! Purchasing a cheaper yacht, solo, 30-40 foot monohull, looking for the quickest one, and can I buy it through youy.
I liked the first time I seen it a few years ago.
This was the first boat, launched at Dusseldorf Boat Show in January. It will sail for the first time this summer!
Having sailed up & down the QLD AUS Coast in a 48" mono with a 250 L water capacity I found we were having to pull in to marinas to offen for water replenishment . I'd like to see more H2O capacity .fuel I'd give it just a pass .
Desalination equipment could be your extra water capacity.
Wikipedia about desalination : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desalination
They should use electric propulsion and use the engine as gensets to charge batteries and run propulsion.
And Regen prop.
Would allow heat pump.
@Agent J it's ok, these concepts are way beyond your depth and that makes you uncomfortable. Don't feel bad.
@Agent J it's okay, you shouldn't feel bad that electrification is beyond your imagination your ability to conceive.
@Agent J I get your frustration, and your total lack of comprehension about how electricity is much more efficient for boats just as it is for trains, and everything really.
Sad you're stuck in 20th century thinking but low IQ will do that to a person.
@@TedKidd Electricity is HORRIBLY INEFFICIENT for boats. Every moron that invests in electric engine tech is just another know it all green warrior who has no idea of the real needs for propulsion. A boat is in constant peril, even at the dock. If you need to get out of trouble, or lose your rig, or the hundreds of scenarios you can't imagine, an electric engine might last 1-3 hours, while diesel might take you 10-20 days to exhaust your stores.
@@jaysparc meh, think I'll take data and experience over some idiot trolls opinion.
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Have you ever seen a sports tanker or a family bulldozer? Comfort and speed are two poles between which you must choose. There is nothing under sailis fast and comfortable at the same time.
This vs a Marsaudon or Dazcat?
A lot cheaper than I thought it was going to be tbh
Same here.
it's sad not to be rich
Central stiring windshield
If it wasnt 600k i might buy it
Mantap bro,Rp berapa satu perahunya
650-700k (WITHOUT electronics) ! I hadn't seen the price at the show! That's a lot more than a nice used amel 54... or a brand new sunbeam 40 or 42... which have way more space...
Agreed, this is way too much imo, but I guess it attracts a certain clientel that are ready to spend that kind of cash. If we compare it to a monohull, bar speed ofc, the HR40C is around €550k ready to sail, which in my world is much more value. But like I said, to each his own.
No such thing as a NICE Amel, brutally ugly bastard lumps of plastic. Remember - you can’t polish a turd!
And what Amel can do 20+knots ???
Like comparing apples to oranges....or in the Amel’s case, lemons.
I think as many people have done is forgot what this boat is about. It's the speed, not the space.
Best for that price is a Lagoon 52F
The best boat you can get for the price. Fully equipped and 3 years old approx.
And I have to say, the cords in the middle of the cockpit is a bit annoying/dangerous
Since when was the definition of a good sailing boat "space"? If you want a caravan, buy a caravan...
why put two helms on a trimaran or for that matter a katamaran?
I wonder, why they don't use the side floats for additional space by having the dack overhang. Even folded in they add to the overall width so why not having additional deck space. You could make the areas under deck wider and more spacious that way by raising the main area (giving stow space under the floors. If you'd want to push it, why not approaching something like the deck saloon style Moody idea along with the folding trimaran concept? Doesn't need to be as high as a Moody to retain more performance.
I like it. Anyone else that wants to see something about the Rapido 60 and/or the Bañuls 53 tri?
No. And we'd prefer you stopped using this to sell alternative boats, use your own videos.
@@alan_davis You mean "You'd prefer". There. Corrected that one for you.
@@alan_davis In what way am I trying to "sell alternative boats"? The only cruising trimarans above 39 ft featured on this channel are this one and some boats from NEEL. What would be so wrong with a video about the Rapido 60 and/or the Bañuls 53 tri?
how is this boat show still on? most of europe is on lockdown?
Sorry, I should have said, this was shot in January at the Dusseldorf Boat Show!
So its an expensive 40ft monohull with a couple of outriggers on it?
One of the bigger advantages of multihulls I thought was the increased space. This doesn't achieve that. Presumably it will not heel and be more stable on the hook, but it really doesn't seem to fix any monohull negative that a cat doesn't, and has far less space.
Or am I missing something?
Look at the specifications sheet at the end of the video, beam is reduced by more than half in 40-50 seconds takes hulls to swing in beside main hull, so the boat fits into a monohull's docking slip thereby increasing convenience by not having to use a mooring and dinghy-in or else pay catamaran slip fees.
It reminds we of the old movies were dangerous natives come paddling up in Ocean canoes with little out riggers✧\(>o
It is probably double the speed of a mono at equivalent wind conditions, and can carry sail in wind speeds that you would have a storm sail on a mono. Insane righting moment means this can scream. As compared to cats, this will carry more sail than a cat of similar length, and can fit into a monohull slip, if need be.
But you're right about space. This thing is a rich man's weekend toy, or possibly an ocean crosser for someone who is ok with doing a pretty spartan refit.
Fuck me this thing is cool. Like this is what a retired Bond villain retires to.
Thinking about a driving rain, and sitting at the helm, no shade.... crossing an ocean... auto pilot quits... Nope...
Indeed. And the boom is too low to put anything above. I also didn't like the low standing height inside. Would not buy.
It looks like there’s room for a bimini at the helm station. Worst case scenario, and considering the price, I’m sure the builder could deliver one with the boom set higher.
I think this would need substantial modification to be made into an ocean cruiser. It needs better hatches, a protected cockpit, sail storage in the main hull (don't want to have to go onto the ama if you need the storm sail)...
@@DanielWilliams-oi4ss I guess you could forego the forward cabin but without that I don't think there's any room for sails in the main hull. If you have strong stanchions and lifelines then going out to the ama's shouldn't be that big of a deal considering there are tramps between the hulls and your ride is a lot flatter than a monohull.
Another lovely trimaran from Dragonfly but having sailed more than halfway around the world on our formula 40 trimaran I'm not sure I'd take something across oceans that's designed to fold. Also with the engine compartment and access so far aft and the transom so low the accessing it and opening it would be dangerous in large following seas or when the preverbal "shit hits the fan". I can see a very rusty and sorry looking engine and machinery compartment a few years after purchase.
I agree Jason, folding for ocean crossings isn't the best idea, even the Rapido 60 "Romanza" had the beams fixed permanently after their Tasman crossing, it creaked and flexed too much. I wouldn't swap our fixed beam Edlin 10.6 for a folder. The transom isn't that low, pause the vid at 1.16, may still get some water over it, but its not at sea level for sure.
I'd be concerned about the weight distribution too, heavy stuff at the bow and stern seems to go against common trimaran design thoughts hey.
Beautiful boat though...
@@Jafaon40z i wasnt aware the rapido 60 was able to fold
@@testicool6522 Its not a folder, but originally de-mountable, tapered ends on the beams and socket joints in the hull, presumably a bolted connection
Can one sail this beast single-handed and actually live in it 24/7?
Monomaran - very pretty and nice appointments, but you can do 24 kts on a 1987 f27 for 30k.
Unfortunately the Corsairs are no longer built. Not saying there's anything at all wrong with used boats, but it's also good that new boats are being built.
Loanword Eggcorn my point was mot about new vs used boats.
@@lincolnrowley4250 your point was irrelevant. You can do 24k in a RIB with a 50hp motor...
@@alan_davis that is a pretty irrelevant reply. I made an on point comment that bragsplaining a feature of a boat that costs multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars when that feature was delivered decades ago (and yes loanwood - corsairs are still manufactured today) is not that impressive. Referencing a dingy is a shiny object that does not change the fact that the original statement is not that impressive.
@@LoanwordEggcorn corsairs are built every day and have a nearly two year backlog.
Wow, real interesting boat, bet lots of people are thinking, “could this really work as a world explorer”
fck me that flicker is a killer
can anyone confirm this try can get to 24 KNOTS?
Every dragonfly holds the speed predictions.
But I expect you depowering before you reach the limits, especially in Danish waters.
They are really narrow and crowded with 20+ knots
My question is when you are cruising are you always in hurry? Do you need that speed ?
I have a performance cruising catamaran. Having a fast cruising boat is really not about sailing at 20kts. It's about being able to sail at good speeds in lighter breezes. Being able to keep sailing when others are motoring.
€700k ? Ouch. Neel is still my only choice. This is a sports tool.